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Wednesday, October 17, 2007
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
Corporate power blesses, not oppresses, the American people
by Michael Medved
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Why should so many Americans resent and distrust the very institutions that make possible our productivity, pleasure and opportunities? Given the fact that major corporations provide virtually every one of the commodities and comforts we consume, it makes no sense to feel hostile and contemptuous of the corporate organization of the contemporary economy.

As I write these words – and as you read them –we all rely on the products of major companies with increasingly far flung and international operations. Leave aside for a moment the obvious example of the complex combination of brilliantly designed computer hardware and software that allows me to transfer my thoughts to a word processor and broadcast them to the world. I’m also relying on a light fixture above my desk and the bulb to illuminate it and the electricity to drive it, on the books stacked on the filing cabinet behind me, printed and distributed and transported across the country, on the paper and the pens that allowed the scribbled notes and, very significantly, on the ceramic mug filled with steaming coffee based on beans brought from far corners of the globe, then roasted and packaged and finally brewed in the wonderfully efficient coffee maker beneath our kitchen sink. Though “corporation” has become a dirty word to many Americans, successful corporations made possible each of these wonders and blessings and amplifications of our personal power. Without those engines of economic energy, we’d retreat to darkness and frustration and the dead ends of poverty.

The late Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman used to hold up a common pencil and to ask his students at the University of Chicago to consider the labor and resources that made it possible. At one point, timber workers cut the trees sawmill workers shaped into usable milled wood, while miners drew the graphite from the earth, and others smelted and shaped it into the thin but durable pencil, then encased in the octagonal rod of wood, in turn painted and varnished and stamped, with a milled metal tip (also mined and processed and stamped) connecting it to a pink and functional eraser relying on gum from remote jungles. This miracle of technology and cooperation, in other words, relies on literally hundreds (if not thousands) of workers in different corners of the earth, but then, ultimately, makes its way into your hand at the shockingly, insanely, irrationally low price of --- about ten cents. Consider the amazing efficiency that brings you this versatile and remarkably efficient common writing implement that you take for granted every day. This deceptively simple pencil costs the typical American less than 20 seconds of his time at work. For higher income toilers, you can earn yourself a pencil for a mere second of your effort.

And yet we commonly curse the very rise of corporate power and productivity that puts such wonders into our hands. “Enlightened” commentators, politicians, academics, activists and malcontents of both left and right never tire of deriding for-profit companies as some parasitic alien life form that devours honest toil, crushes creativity, pollutes the environment, and steals power from ordinary Americans.

A few undeniable truths about corporate power in the United States can liberate every day citizens and the society at large from such sour and ungrateful folly.

1) FROM THE DAYS OF EARLIEST SETTLEMENT, AMERICA EMERGED FROM RISK-TAKING AND PROFIT-MAKING CORPORATIONS. The famous colonies at Jamestown, Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay (not to mention Walter Raleigh’s similarly celebrated and tragically unsuccessful settlement of Roanoke) depended on British investors who put up the considerable capital to fund the expensive business of sending “venturers” across the Ocean. Of course, some of these sponsors shared religious ideals with some of the settlers, but they all fervently cherished the (often frustrated) hope of earning a handsome return on their risky investments. Meanwhile, other corporations like the Hudson Bay Company and the British East India Company also played an outside (and sometimes heroic) role in exploring a wilderness continent and establishing a British presence in the New World.

2) THE REVOLUTION RESISTED GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE WITH FREE MARKETS, NOT THE POWER OF BIG BUSINESS. The Stamp Act Protests, the Boston Tea Party and other Colonial challenges to British authority aimed their wrath (and occasional property destruction) not at the traders or merchants who brought their products to New England, but against the government officials who insisted on telling the colonists what they could buy and how much they must pay. In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson specifically condemned the king for “imposing taxes on us without our consent” and for sending his tax collectors to interfere with commerce: “He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our People, and eat out their substance.” Any contemporary American who’s faced an IRS audit can relate directly to Jefferson’s complaint. The Declaration also attacked King George for his protectionist export-import policy and “for cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world.” The Founding Fathers never embraced anti-business attitudes because most of them were themselves ambitious and successful entrepreneurs. George Washington and John Hancock may have been the two richest men in the colonies – with Washington one of the largest land-holders (who loved speculating on frontier real estate) and Hancock the owner of America’s most formidable fleet of merchant ships. At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, when the Founders laid out the powers of the new Congress and Government in Article 1, section 8, all of the first 8 provisions concern setting up an economic system (“power to lay and collect taxes,” “to establish…uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies,” “to coin money,” and so forth) before the document finally gets around to such relatively trivial matters as setting up courts and raising an army.

3) THE FAMOUS DEPRADATIONS OF THE SO-CALLED “ROBBER BARONS” INVOLVED GOVERNMENTAL, NOT BUSINESS, ABUSES. In his indispensable 1986 book “The Myth of the Robber Barons,” Burton W. Folsom of the University of Pittsburgh makes the important distinction between “political entrepreneurs” and “market entrepreneurs” who played very different roles in the development of the new nation and its economy. The political entrepreneurs WHO manipulated their insider influence relied upon sweetheart deals and special concessions and monopoly power granted by government, rather than their own efficiency and competitive advantages. At the same time, market entrepreneurs (like James J. Hill of the Great Northern Railroad) refused to entangle themselves with the political process and built their much more successful and durable corporations without favoritism from bureaucrats or officeholders. As Folsom writes of the emerging and crucial steamship industry: “Political entrepreneurship often led to price-fixing, technological stagnation, and the bribing of competitors and politicians. The market entrepreneurs were the innovators and rate-cutters. They had to be to survive against subsidized opponents.” Significantly, all of the most significant economic reform movements from the Jeffersonians at the turn of the nineteenth century up through the Progressives at the turn of twentieth, sought to disentangle government from its involvement in the free market, not to impose to new bureaucratic controls. As the great historian Forrest McDonald of the University of Alabama wrote: “The Jacksonian Democrats engaged in a great deal of anti-business rhetoric, but the results of their policies were to remove or reduce governmental interference into private economic activity, and thus to free market entrepreneurs to go about their creative work. The entire nation grew wealthy as a consequence.”

4) THE ERAS OF GREATEST CORPORATE INFLUENCE WEREN’T NIGHTMARISH PERIODS OF OPPRESSION AND RETREAT, BUT RATHER GOLDEN EPOCHS OF PROSPERITY, PROGRESS AND GROWING AMERICAN POWER. While historians and other intellectuals invariably deride the “Gilded Age” following the War Between the States, no generation in world history achieved comparable progress in rapidly raising standards of living, absorbing and assimilating unprecedented waves of immigration, settling the remotest frontier and building a dozen new states and scores of glittering new cities, while establishing the United States for the first time as a world power of the first rank. As the editors of American Heritage Magazine wrote in the introduction to their book, “The Confident Years,” about US life from 1865 to 1914: “It was a period of exuberant growth, in population, industry and world prestige. As the twentieth century opened, American political pundits were convinced that the nation was on an ascending spiral of progress that could end only in something approaching perfection. Even those who saw the inequity between the bright world of privilege and the gray fact of poverty were quite sure that a time was very near when no one would go cold or hungry of ill clothed. These were indeed the Confident Years.” An era of rampant capitalist power, in other words, that saw the emergence of giant corporations that touched the lives of every American, corresponded with the most dynamic and dazzling achievements in our history. Other eras associated with big business also brought unparalleled blessings of peace and prosperity to the nation at large and virtually all of its citizens – such as the 1920’s, where President Coolidge produced snickers from cognoscenti by saying “the business of America is business,” or the 1950’s, when Defense Secretary Charlie Wilson declared (not unreasonably) that “what’s good for General Motors is good for America.”

5) THE RISE OF BIG BUSINESS NEVER IMPOVERISHED AND ALWAYS ENHANCED THE LIVING STANDARDS OF ORDINARY WORKING AMERICANS. In their 1998 book, “The History of the American Economy” Gary Walton and Hugh Rockoff summarize the progress of the working class. From 1820 to 1860, wages grew at a 1.6% annual rate, while the purchasing power of an average worker’s paycheck went up between 60 [SPACE] and 90 percent (depending on the region of the country). Between 1860 and 1890 (that genuinely gilded age) real wages (adjusted for inflation) increased by a staggering 50% in America. The average work week shortened at the same time, so that the real earnings of the Average American worker increased more like 60 percent in just thirty years. As Thomas J. DiLorenzo points out in his illuminating book “How Capitalism Saved America,”: “Capitalism improves the quality of life for the working class not just because it leads to improved wages but also because it produces new, better and cheaper goods…When Henry Ford first started selling automobiles only the relatively wealthy could afford them, but soon enough working-class families were buying his cars.” The efficiency and productivity made possible by corporate organization gave typical Americans a range of choices and an economic power unimaginable for prior generations. As Federal Reserve Board economists Michael Cox and Richard Allen made clear: “A nineteenth century millionaire couldn’t grab a cold drink from the refrigerator. He couldn’t hop into a smooth-riding automobile for a 70-mile-an-hour trip down an interstate highway to the mountains or seashore. He couldn’t call up news, movies, music and sporting events by simply touching the remote control’s buttons. He couldn’t jet north to Toronto, south to Cancun, east to Boston or west to San Francisco in just a few hours. He couldn’t transmit documents to Europe, Asia, or anyplace else in seconds.

He couldn’t run over to the mall to buy auto-focus cameras, computer games, mountain bikes, or movies on videotape. He couldn’t escape the summer heat in air conditioned comfort. He couldn’t check into a hospital for a coronary bypass to cure a failing heart, get a shot of penicillin to ward off infection, or even take aspirin to relieve a headache.” In this context, jeremiads about the “horrifying” gap between rich and poor miss the point that poor people in America’s 21st century enjoy options and privileges that the wealthy couldn’t claim a hundred years ago. Far from oppressing the working class, the corporate system brought about a vast improvement in purchasing power for all Americans. The 1999 book “Myths of Rich and Poor” by Michael Cox and Richard Alm indicates that a worker in 1900 worked two hours and forty minutes to earn the cost of a three point chicken; in 1999, a mere 24 minutes of toil could buy him the bird. If anything, the growth in rewards for working only accelerated in the last fifty years. In 1950, typical workers put in more than two hours to afford 100 kilowatts of electricity; by 1999, the cost had dropped to fourteen minutes. A three minute coast-to-coast phone call cost 104 minutes of labor in 1950, but by 1999 that was down to two minutes (and it’s no doubt even less today).

6) THE INDUSTRIALIZATION THAT DRIVES PROSPERITY RESCUES RATHER THAN ENSLAVES THE WORKERS IT EMPLOYS. Adam Smith, who defined capitalism more than 200 years ago in “The Wealth of Nations,” described the essence of the system as a series of mutually beneficial agreements: “Give me that which you want, and you shall have this which you want.” This captures the essential fairness and decency of the free-market system, which relies on voluntary associations that enrich both parties. Concerning the process of industrialization, which saw millions of workers engaged in powering the mighty, productive engines of major corporations, the great economic Ludwig van Mises (cited by DiLorenzo) trenchantly observed: “The factory owners did not have the power to compel anybody to take a factory job. They could only hire people who were ready to work for the wages offered to them. Low as these wage rates were, they were nonetheless much more than these paupers could earn in any other field open to them. It is a distortion of facts to say that the factories carried off the housewives from the nurseries and the kitchens and the children from their play. These women had nothing to cook with and to feed their children. These children were destitute and starving. Their only refuge was the factory. It saved them, in the strict sense of the term, from death by starvation.” The same process applies to newly opened factories throughout the developing world today, despite the efforts by “anti-globalist” and “anti-corporate” activists in the United States to obliterate the only jobs that keep suffering millions from a return to misery and destitution.

7) CORPORATIONS DON’T DESERVE BLAME FOR “PUTTING PROFITS OVER PEOPLE,” SINCE PROFITS INEVITABLY BENEFIT PEOPLE. Corporations don’t exist in order to provide welfare for workers, or cheap products for consumers, but rather to earn profits for investors and operators. If they succeed in earning such profits they can provide more jobs at higher pay, and better products at lower cost. If a company fails at bringing in those profits it will shed jobs and provide fewer products – ultimately going out of business altogether. The idea that laborers or customers somehow benefit if a corporation feels squeezed, or facing shrinking profits, remains one of the profoundly illogical legacies of discredited Marxism. In the free market system, the boss Peter can’t benefit long term at the expense of his employee, Paul. They either prosper together or fail together. Increased profitability brings increases in capital that allow increases in productivity – directly and simultaneously rewarding management and labor (not to mention the public at large). Political demagogues who rail against “immoral” or “obscene” profits need courses in remedial economics. For a corporation, only a lack of profitability counts as immoral and going out of business represents the ultimate obscenity.

8) THERE’S NO LOGICAL REASON TO FAVOR SMALL BUSINESSES OVER BIG BUSINESS. A recent Wall Street Journal poll showed that the public felt more approval of “small business” than of “big corporations” by a ratio of more than three to one. This makes little sense, since virtually every “big business” started out as a small operation before success brought growth, and virtually every small business dreams of getting bigger one day. Not far from my home stands the original Starbucks Coffee stand (still operating) at Seattle’s Pike Place Market: an unprepossessing shop that couldn’t accommodate more than twenty customers at a time. Did that quaint operation do a better job providing coffee to its patrons than today’s multi-billion dollar, globe-straddling colossus? Any coffee connoisseur can certify that one of the major improvements in American life over the past twenty years involves the now universal availability of strong, delicious, gourmet coffee (and innumerable exotic derivatives), as opposed to the watery, flavorless blandness of the old-fashioned “cup of Joe.” Could any sane observer honestly believe that a small business could do a better job than big international companies in providing us with the automobiles and computers and cell phones and medical supplies that do so much to enrich our lives?

9) CORRUPTION IS MORE OF A PROBLEM FOR BIG GOVERNMENT THAN BIG CORPORATIONS. Since the beginning of the 21st Century a series of tawdry and hugely destructive corporate scandals (Enron, Tyco, WorldCom, many more) led the commentariat to conclude that business ethics had been hopelessly compromised and we needed to turn to government for redemption and purification. This assumption ignores the long history of hideous corruption in every endeavor of flawed humanity – including religion, education, charities and, most spectacularly, government itself. Giving government greater power over corporations increases rather than reduces the likelihood of corruption, since so many of the prior business scandals involved existing entanglements of bureaucracy with the free market. When political office holders decide winners and losers in the business world, the temptations for bribery and favoritism become more acute, not less so. Moreover, the public enjoys greater and swifter recourse against an abusive or inefficient corporation than it does against an abusive or inefficient government. The customer can always decline to patronize a business, a product or a service he dislikes, but with a dysfunctional government you’re stuck till the next election – or long after that, in this era of entrenched and immovable bureaucratic power. A determined individual can escape the reach of even the most ubiquitous corporation (yes, even our Seattle neighbors at Microsoft) but the only way to choose for yourself a different national government is to flee the country. Yes, corporate power frequently corrupts government, and government power even more frequently corrupts and warps corporations, but the best way to avoid this mutually destructive influence is to bring about less bureaucratic involvement in the free market, not to insist on more.

Despite all the shortcomings and silliness, bureaucratic bungling and bankruptcies, foreclosures and failures, conniving and corruption, the big corporations that inevitably emerge in free and fair markets continue to perform remarkably well in terms of giving the public what it wants and needs. Our daily lives bear wondrous witness to the amazing achievements and efficiencies of the system. Any honest examination of the past and the present must lead to the conclusion that major corporations in their appropriate pursuit of profit will continue to bless, not oppress, the people of the United States.

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Not so fast
Maybe it's just a religious thing, but as a Christian, I've learned to be a little less willing to "give thanks" for the biggest corporations. When Christ got violent with the money changers, it wasn't just because they were set up in the temple. In fact, in the Greek, there isn't even a mention of them being in the temple at all. Jesus just didn't think profit was such an admirable goal for a Christian or a Christian society. He was pretty serious about the fact that the rich would have a very hard time to get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

So when I read pieces like Michael Medved's where he tries to associate corporate greed with morality, I'm pretty comfortable disregarding it as the pleading of someone whose existence is one of begging at the plate of the rich.

Tell you what, Mr. Medved, I don't mind not being rich. I don't mind working for a living and I don't mind seeing greed as a pretty serious sin. I know that must be heresy to a man like you, but there you are.

Medved drinketh of the Koolaid
Medved is stone, cold wrong. If corporatism were so good, fascism would have won the day. Corporations are not living entities and lack morals.

Right now major corporations want the unfettered access to the available natural resources and cheap labor of North America that they see denied to them safely right now. They want preference when competing for Canada's natural abundance inspite of the small population there.

They are working hard to enact the plan for the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP)with Canada and Mexico to open the borders in North America to the free flow of capital, goods, and labor within and create a European Union style community some refer to as the North American Union (NAU).

The interests working on this in the corporate world also control most of the mainstram media who have largely been told this is a conspiracy theory and not to cover any of it.

Google "campaign 2008" and then discover that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is more interested in our domestic politics than a "think tank" concerned with "foreign relations" should be.

You will learn the details of the plan as created and now launched by the US, Mexico, and Canada with the first Security annd Prosperity summit in 2005.

The last summit of the three nations leaders took place in August 2007 in Quebec where the concerns of many were dismissed with an answer that mocked those concerned with a reference to them having talked about jelly beans.

The goal as written in the final draft report is to implement the plan in 2010. Medved drinketh of the Koolaid and denies that such a plan exists. Google "Building a North American Community," SPP, NAU, Lou Dobbs, and Glenn Beck, both of CNN and see for yourself. Just because others drink the grape Koolaid does not mean that you have to.

Credibility??
I think it is pretty clear from many of your posts, i.e. Virginia, that many of you haven't the foggiest clue what it means to work for a corporation. Seriously. I have worked for big corporations ever since college, and I will tell you, they all have represented THE softest workplaces ever. Corporations, mostly due to feminizing liberal incentives, have become such a poor shell of the once bare-knuckled-brawling inspiration that many of these companies were built upon. I mean, I work with some real jackasses, and they still have jobs. In today's world, firing an employee, based primarily on poor performance, will not happen. Has to be coupled with something more demeaning like sexual harrassment or creation of an unsafe work environment. And the point I read in one of the other posts, about the plummers working through lunch - B.S. No way. I guarantee any plummer working for a corporation would tell you he was treated like gold. The pay, i'm sure is less, but the benefits are more than they could have ever asked for. Please get your head out of the sand, and stop writing for effect. How much longer do we have to endure the shock value B.S. of the left? Frankly, I'm tired of it. If you would like to read more on this topic, please view my blog at http://www.infectiousink.blogspot.com

-CPALM
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Touj - You think.
Per your previous email -
"I don't think anybody benefits very much from a job at Wal-Mart - at the next closest one, employees are kept at maximum part time so they can't get benefits - women are passed over regularly for promotions or raises, and the only people who seem to stay longer than a year are those without options or who don't need medical because they get it through their mate's employers."
So you know what's better for people than they know for themselves. Here lies the true difference between conservatives and liberals. Liberals think they know what's better for others. Liberals think they know better how to spend your own money than you know how to spend your own money. Liberals think. The reality is liberals don't think. Liberals can't make a decision. A liberal would kill everyone in the life raft trying to save the one person who was too weak to get into the life raft. A conservative would live with the loss of one knowing that he didn't squander the lives of others in an effort to feel all warm and fuzzy. Difficult decision are not something liberals are comfortable with. They believe falsely that life can be perfect. For the 900th time please identify any country that would afford you the same opportunity, lifestyle, healthcare, and safety afforded you in this country. In the end at best we can agree to disagree.

Roy
I don't think anybody benefits very much from a job at Wal-Mart - at the next closest one, employees are kept at maximum part time so they can't get benefits - women are passed over regularly for promotions or raises, and the only people who seem to stay longer than a year are those without options or who don't need medical because they get it through their mate's employers.

What we kept out of town was a hideous giant concrete box that was going to be placed in the heart of our commercial district, that was going to cover the ground with acres of cement that would force rain runoff into local floods.

What we have now, almost completed, in the same space, is a lovely, architect-designed center that includes a small hospital and health-care center, a park, bike trails and yes, the usual Border's and Banana Republic. It occupies about half of the land that would have been squatted upon by Wal-mart.

At the other end of town, a few big-box stores like Costco agreed to design their stores centered in the middle of pedestrian-accessible small store-fronts, so the concrete crate is not visible.

I have no doubt that local citizens who might have found employment at Wal-Mart will do just as well and better at the New Y, New Bookstores, Costco, Home Depot, etc.

Trust me, I haven't heard anyone say they wish we had a Wal-mart in the center of town instead.




Touj
When did I or any other conservative in this particular column say America needs to be saved? Calmdown never stated he hates America. His rhetoric leads me to believe that he does not believe America is the great place that it is. Liberal kooks such as you, seem to believe that the rights of the individual should always outweigh the rights of the majority. I disagree. I think that I am entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. I'm interested if any of the people living by you could have benefited from a job at Wal-Mart or the low cost goods and services (Pharmacy), that Wal-Mart provides? You should be proud, you kept a big mean company from coming to town.

Roy said
"you were blessed to be born in such a great country, and now you claim you hate it."

Please provide any one of Calmdown's quotes saying that he hated America.

Why is this always the conservative fall-back position - anyone who criticizes, wants something changed or improved, is a traitor, an America-Hater, a fiend. Conservatives can whine about waning morals, the MSM, Hollywood, - just take a look at the titles of the columns on TH - just about every one is a complaint, a negative issue, a whine, but somehow when it's conservatives you are all trying to save America.

If so many of you think America needs saving, why don't you just take your own advice: Tough luck, move away.

Also, where did you get the idea that liberals are anti-union? Anti-unionism is a classic conservative stance, because unions often create problems for corporations. Personally, I have never set foot inside a Wal-Mart, as is true of my liberal friends. When Wal-mart wanted to metasticize into our town we successfully managed to defeat them; we protested so much that they gave up.

I don't know if you don't read other's posts or if you're so closed-minded that what people are saying just doesn't penetrate. No one, not Calmdown, myself or anyone else ever complained about their personal rights being taken away.

Maybe the argument is just too complicated for you.


calmdown
I agree that in terms of c-ap we have more than anybody else in the world. Sure, it's great - it keeps us quiet and happy and fat,- really, really fat.

Everybody knows that Americans are not going to complain about anything so long as they have their crockpots and aluminum storm doors. The people who make that happen depend on it, and they won't' be disappointed.

What they also know is what is so ardently expressed in this thread - that quality of life for Americans is measured by material goods - that's why Medved refers to corporations as bestowing "blessings" - just like God.

Calmdown - Waive away
Calm -
Please continue to waive that finger at us Christian Conservatives, I can only guess which one it is. You are kidding right? Your incesant whining is ridiculous and this is why Christian conservatives can't take people like you seriously. You use the exact things you claim are so evil. It is not a perfect world nor will it ever be. The United States (I say United loosely), is still the greatest nation on the planet. Sorry that someone is supposedly being exploited. Sorry, that the global market place is now improving not harming the lives of millions of people. I go back to what I've been saying all along, and that is Identify one country that is better to live in. And go there. Honest the people of this country will not miss you one bit. You are a pathetic little individual who believes in some fantasy world that does not exist. My rights your rights no one is being deprived of their rights. What rights do you think you have? As a consumer you have the right not to buy a product if you so desire. That is how the market place works. If corporate America is so bad, stop buying crap your self, rather than demanding that people listen to your silly little rant about how your rights have been stripped away. You are not doing back breaking labor from dawn to dusk, you are sitting somewhere using a computer. Tell all of us what you think should be done. What would make America a better place to live? Just give us your solution or shut up. Liberals whine about Unions, yet you all shop at Wal-Mart, start your own Union work shop that sells clothing, and everything else, but you need to compete with prison labor from China. Surely, Union workers can produce a more worthy product than some felon in another country. At the end of the day you still have to look in the mirror and acknowledge that you were blessed to be born in such a great country, and now you claim you hate it. Tough luck, please move away.

I'll do you a favor
If you start using your return key, I'll quit posting this message, OK?

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Use your return Key, over and over.

No one has time to read all this fascinating stuff in detail, so if the paragraphs are short, they can be scanned, if they are long, they should be skipped.

To every anti-corporate crybaby....
lamenting their lot in 21st century America, and believing that they are living in some state of slavery or serfdom, you couldn't more clearly make Medved's point that living standards today are significantly better than 50 or 100 years ago, thanks primarily to corporations. On a Friday morning during business hours, instead of performing backbreaking work from dawn to dusk in some field to put food on the table for your family, you sit in your climate-controlled home or office with enough FREE TIME to read and respond to political articles on your electric-powered computer with a worldwide internet connection.

My last - have to go
It's clear that what you and others here are saying, especially Medved, is that as long as you have mutliple computers, an extra car, vacations on the beach, lots of cheap clothing and junk, you really don't care how you got it, how much of your participatory rights in this democracy are sliced out of the whole, piece by piece, and who really elects your leaders. And for sure, you don't care what anybody has to endure - here or anywhere else - to make that happen, whether it's 8 year old factory workers or 19 hour days or enforced labor. Maybe that's one of the things that makes liberals so skeptical about right-wing Christian posturing and sermonising, and all the slogans about "values voters" - it just seems that the only value is gimme more, and more, and more, and as long as it keeps coming who cares who is in charge?

The Irony here
Is the ways in which conservatives are showing their confusion - I have spent hours debating cons on the need for regulations, and to a man (or woman) they argue against all regs in every sector. Suddenly, it's a sign of the importance of corps like Exxon - proof that the system works - the more the better. So why has this administration rolled back more regs that protect our products, employees, working conditions, environmentand price regulations than any other in history?

Because it's payback.


and
The Media, which conservatives love to trash, is now more concentrated than at any time over the past 40 years, thanks to a continual loosening of ownership rules by Washington. The media giants now own not only broadcast networks and local stations; they also own the cable companies that pipe in the signals of their competitors and the studios that produce most of the programming. In 1990, the major broadcast networks--ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox--fully or partially owned just 12.5 percent of the new series they aired. By 2000, it was 56.3 percent. Just two years later, it had surged to 77.5 percent, forcing indpendenst boradcasters and small businessmen out of the game.
giant media corporations can do this because they donate huge amounts to politicians who, it must be also said, now need more money than ever just to get to the primaries.

As for labor regulations, just look around the internet to see the rgulations that have been struck down by this administration that favor corporations and have undone years of work by unions and other employee organizations. And it's not all about wages.

Last, as far as children working, who do you think makes those computers that you love so much, or your kids' tennis shoes that light up at night? The truth is, Wal-mart doesn't care how old the people are who are making all your stuff that you love so much - as long as it doesn't hurt their image in the US. Now, alot of new information is surfacing about forced labor on Corporate Farms right here in America - yes, usually by sub-contractors but also ignored - because it's profitable.






Well, Roy
I'm glad you have acknowledged that the ultimate motivations of corporations are not about drinking water, child labor, and regulations. We both agree that corporations care only about their profits and their shareholders, (not exactly the bestowers of "blessings' that Medved extols) bu my point is that when they become large enough and powerful enough profits and power trump what's good for the country, and that they can do it because they have put the very people into power that make that happen.

Corporations do not just "make things" - they strip mine government lands that are supposed to be regulated for protection, (Bush rolled back several regulations that controlled the kinds of environment-devastating coal mining in the southeast during his first year in office and fired the government employees whose jobs it was to keep those regulations enforced) - Corporations provide power to millions of consumers (remember the rape of California consumers only a few years ago?) and pour enough money into campaigns to keep regulations down - why do you think Cheney refused to reveal even the names of people who attended Energy Policy Meetings when Bush was first elected?

In the face of growing pressures about affordable health care, Bush passed one of the most expensive and socialistic programs for drugs that was nothing more than a big cash cow to insurance companies and the pharmas. Why do you think, by the way, that he has been making the purchase of drugs from Canada next to impossible? Do you really think they put us in danger, as he says? Does he really think Canada is a third world country?


Calmdown - You're missing the point.
Calm -
You just don't get it. Corporate America does not run the government. If it did there would be no regulations, we would have children working in coal mines, our drinking water would me a microbial stew that would kill most of us, and on and on. Simply put, corporations actually have to look out for their employees, their consumers, and their shareholders. Making money is not a bad thing. People like you want an even distribution of profit. Realistically employees do not all bring the exact same worth to the company. The clerk has less education than the accountant, and so on. Also, government America is tied to corporate America. We need people to work and earn money, we need the country to prosper. People like you think we are all supposed to be sipping drinks on a sandy beach 365 days a year. Please do tell who would clean your room or mix your drinks so that you could live that life of luxury. Sorry, we have to have some discipline, and be somewhat organized to continue enjoying what this country offers. If it is so bad, go find a rainforest and live in mud hut. Good luck if you get sick or hurt, good luck with drinking and waste water, good luck with electricity, Good Luck.... Liberals flat out refuse to appreciate what they have, but they offer no solutions, just a lot of whining. Get over yourself. Find the land that you so desperately seek and send me a note in a bottle. Oh, I forgot, some vessel made from the forest, using your own papyrus.

Bravo, Roy and Cookie!
Kudos to you, Roy. For pointing out how the very same people who have lambasted corporations on this blog have done so using the very products of corporate America: the computers made by Gateway, Dell, etc. As I pointed out in a prior posting, if libs think corporate America is so evil, let them abstain from abetting that "evil" by declining to avail themselves of the goods and services of corporate America. After all, big corporations produce the cars they drive - and since they seem to think that government is so much more virtuous than corporations, allow me to point out to corporation bashers that government DOES provide an transportation alternative to the private passenger automobile: it's called buses. Let's see the corporation bashers exchange their private passenger autos for public bus travel. Or stop flying. Or stop buying personal computers. And so on. Of course, they won't - because as I pointed out in my prior posting, libs are not about to subject themselves to the same inconveniences and deprivations they want to impose on everyone else. I've personally known many liberals who live exactly this way: they talk about the sacrifices others should make for what they believe is important, but once their credo threatens to inconvenience them personally, they quietly ignore it. And you're right, Cookie, about how government employment has became the province of those who could never hack it in the private sector. Again, I've known all too many in the public sector who are walking testimony to this. I knew a person working in the public sector who has spent much of his time on his job of the last 15 years, from what I've been told by a reliable source, playing computer games.

And Conservatives...
were accused of being jealous of that dumbas* Al Gore. You liberals are so jealous of anyone or anything successful that it borders on psychotic. Instead of whining about the few who make more than you, why don't you think about the 99% of the world who do worse? Why not thank God that dumbas*es like most liberals are, were lucky enough to be born and living in a country where the less talented are dragged along and supported by conservative principles and leaders?

Idiot liberals dominate state and federal agencies because no one in the private sector in their right minds would hire them. In the parking lot when the clock hits 4:30, never going an extra inch, let alone a mile. Liberals are human leeches.

Calmdown on Corp access to Gov
“How much of the democratic process are you willing to trade for your newest pair of chinese-manufactured croc shoes that you can buy for 99 cents.......”.

I have better access to the Federal Government then a soldier did in the time our country was started. A typical middle income person in Savannah GA or Charleston SC, or even Philadelphia had almost no direct say in the government. Nobody was asking the bar owner in some Virginia tavern what he thought about the War of 1812 or the Invasion of Mexico (1846). The middle income people cast their vote and talked to their local politicians same as I do today. I can at least send an email, make a phone call, post on a website, fax a petition and get National attention instantly covered and broadcast for a protest.

Look at the American Civil War. The south claims they were fighting for states rights. The opinions of the southern states however were framed by the large plantation owners who needed their slaves. The average confederate soldier had no slaves and no reason to benefit from the war however the “INFLUENCE” of the rich had them voting and dying what really was a terrible thing. (And lets not start a discussion here of causes of civil war not my intent in this example just to show that “middle’ America had the same or less direct access to power then we have today)

I don't think a corp has my interests in mind, but if they make a product or service I use I don’t see them as an enemy.

There is a post by Ms Hagelin, "becoming a force for good' that details the benefits of charity partnering not fighting corporations.

Roy
"Please do tell, how you would have America changed. Should the government run our corporations? Would that level the playing field? "

No, I don't think our government should run corporations, but why do you think it's so great that corporations run our government? What are you willing to give up just to have another computer, or toaster, or some rack of Wal-mart junk? How much of the democratic process are you willing to trade for your newest pair of chinese-manufactured croc shoes that you can buy for 99 cents? What matters to you?

If you think that companies like Wal-Mrt, General Electric, Exxon, Citigroup and others won't sell you out on a dime if the alternative is about their bottom line, your'e delusional.

It's no accident that Medved used the word "blessed" to describe the imagined largesse of giant corporations - I think you, he, and others on this thread have it very confused with religious gravity. If Coulter thinks liberals turn ideology into religion, this is it's counterpart.





Outsourcing and Pursuit of Happiness
Neither I nor Mr. Medved ever claimed that corporations didn't outsource labor to developing countries. A recent National Geographic (well its a few months old now) had a great article on the developing labor market in China. In fact like I pointed out I use these products to pursue happiness whenever I can. Now Haliburton and their subsidiary KBR were used by Pres Clinton in Bosnia and Kosovo. Now they are here in Iraq providing the same services. Since I receive services from KBR and they free the military up to do other things I am glad they are there. For example the cooks and dishwashers in the Dinning Facilities here are contractors, they built the rooms we slept in during Kosovo etc. Since Soldiers are not doing these things we can focus on our jobs.

I do not believe it was Haliburton that decided to go to war anymore then the company that makes our vehicles did. But yes when we are AT WAR I am glad they are there to provide us things we need.

You will note from my postings on other topics that I usually refer to Sen. Clinton by her title, and serving political people by theirs. I also usually refer to the columns authors by their names Mr. Ms, Mrs if I know they are married. You seem like a reasonable person calmdown and in private dialog I would refer to you as Mr. Ms as the case was and use your name until you let me know it was ok to use a first name. It is called “manners” not because one is superior/inferior. It is like saying Sir and Ma’am to someone older. I teach my son that manners are the hallmark of a civil society.

Use your return Key
Use your return Key, over and over.

No one has time to read all this fascinating stuff in detail, so if the paragraphs are short, they can be scanned, if they are long, they should be skipped.

tinsldr2
"Now Mr Medved points out many ways my pursuit of hapiness is increased because coporations can produce things cheaper and more efficently then mom and pop stores."

Sorry, but the corporations you seem to love so much are not producing much of anything anymore - it is being outsourced to China and other countries where people -who aren't Americans - do the manufacturing so that you can buy cheap. The Walmart Corporation now spends more than a million a year to get laws and regulations dropped that might slow it's unstoppable growth. Bush's Assistant Secretary of the Interior worked tirelessly to make sure his former clients in the Coal Industry had unfettered access to Federal Lands for mining. Major Broadcasters paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for FIC chairman's Powell's luxurious global travels for three years, and in exchange Powell made sure that the Broadcasters who paid for his past three years, get unfettered access to the airwaves. When Halliburton and Bechtel make billions out of reconstructing Iraq we all pay for the 200,000 troops that provide their security, but only the dividend coupon clippers who own Halliburton stock get the massive profits coming out of the enterprise.

Everybody knows about Pres. Eisenhower's famous warning but here it bears repeating:



“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced corporate power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.”


By the way, Why do you refer to Medved as Mr. Medved? Do you really think he is superior to you in some way?


Bobzmcishl
WWII was the biggest waste of American lives of any war. Almost 300,000 lives were lost. On the surface it appeared to be a war in defense of the spineless socialist pigs of Western Europe but in reality, it was to defend communist FDR's pal - communist Stalin. Were FDR a true American, he'd have let the two socialist fascists fight it out - then gone in to clean up the mess, the end results of which would have been far fewer Americans getting killed in the war (less than 100,000). But, thanks to the Unions supporting communist FDR, nearly 300,000 American men lost their lives.

Bobzmcishl - Union Man
Bob -
While Unions brought about those nice things that you mentioned, they have now pretty much destroyed the US Automakers, and most manufacturing companies. I hate to tell you this but most companies or corporations can't afford to have a pool of employees making $20-$30 / hour sitting around on the chance that someone won't show for work. Which goes to the next point. The national average for absenteeism is roughly 3%. Union companies are at approx. 10%. That's a lot of time off, and sadly it is do to the Union mentallity that sick days equal vacation days that most companies have done away with the 10 sick days. We can thank the Unions for that change in strategy. Bottom line, if Union work is soooo superior to all other work, then why doesn't the Union leadership snag up all of it's exceptional employees and start their own companies. You know a couple trillion for property, equipment, raw materials, distribution, etc.... And they can go and compete in a fair market, they can find investors (you do understand that investors don't just give money they want something in return, right.). And then you can have a Union sales force, and marketing department, and production control department, and purchasing department. And the best part is, because they will be Union they won't be like the Stupid white collar people companies have now. And all the employees can work 9A-5P Monday through Friday. It will be tough to sell anything to the employees, since everyone will have the same hours, but hey, it will be UNION baby. Good luck with that company let me know how it turns out.

Calmdown - Please calmdown
Calm -
Did you actually read what I typed? My point is, that corporations while they do have influence politically are not the absolute evil entities that you and your aluminum helmet wearing wackos believe they are. Corporations do not influence my vote, or me personally. I appreciate having a computer, I appreciate having a car, I appreciate the material goods, and services that corporations offer. Please do tell, how you would have America changed. Should the government run our corporations? Would that level the playing field? My issue with having government involvement or the socialism that individuals such as you propose, is that it has nothing to do with making everyone's life better, it has to do with trying to make everyone equally miserable. Voila, socialism. I'll live with Corporate America it has a lot more to offer to the people, not Government run America, which offers a miserable existence for everyone.

Calmdown and platitudes
I wrote and calmdown quoted "Call me crazy but like Mr. Medved points out, my freedoms and particularly my pursuit of happiness is greatly increased by the big business that America is great for and every obstacle to my growth and prosperity is government provided."

Now Mr Medved points out many ways my pursuit of hapiness is increased because coporations can produce things cheaper and more efficently then mom and pop stores. Example I get in my FORD (corp) Explorer hook up to my trailer (corp) pull my BAYLINER (corp) boat to the local marina (not a corporation) on the way I bought gas from a corp. I take my corp made fishing gear and pursue happiness (some of the gear is bought at mom and pop store and some at the corp stores).

Now you opine about "corporations" influence but you make two mistakes in doing so. First You list no instnace how my pursuit of happiness (either material or spiritual)or my personal freedom is affected. Second the "corporation" is not a faceless entity that is alive, the corporation is simply people who joined together and exercise their rights as a group just like any other group, ie moveon.org , PETA (people for Eating Tasty Animals) etc. The fact that a corporation (group of people)exercises their right to want freedom in no way limits any freedom and mostly INCREASES my freedoms by fighting for less gov interference in my life.

Roy
That is the strangest post I've read in quite a while - what does objecting to the corporate influences on our congress have to do with hating America?

If you're high, you have a really good connection.

No one has complained about corporations making computers or aluminum storm doors or those fuzzy dice that probably hang from your mirror - the complaint is that coporations have managed to get themselves, through really generous contributions, legally identified and "individuals" with the rights that go along with it, and they influence how you vote, how you buy into the laws your local legislators pass, and even the mind-set that expresses the love for them that you seem to feel. They can also pass laws benefit themselves, even when they are contrary to the public welfare - however, they have the means to persuade the public - that means you - to think they are actually benefitting the public welfare, which is why you see all those TV ads by the Coal mining industry that show little children playing with their puppies.

runs up the cost at a terrible rate
Bobzmcishl writes: Thursday, October, 18, 2007 6:38 PM
Thank the Unions
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I will agree that Unions have helped solve many problems, but they have also caused problems.

A government regulation is never (almost) put into operation until some corporations make a lot of mistakes, and that regulation is needed to protect the consumer. It usually causes the most problems when the regulation is eliminated.

Same with a union. A Union is not needed until a Corporation makes enough mistakes in their employee relations, that something must be changed.

But in both cases, too much regulation and too much union control can have bad effects.

I think everyone would agree that it is the high wages and other goodies demanded by unions, and given by corporations, that has almost put the US auto industry out of business. Japanese companies build cars in the US with US workers, at much less cost.

Yes the design of autos is terrible. Just look in the parking lot, or at the cars on the street, and they are ugly, ugly, ugly, and almost all are painted in a boring nothing color. It used to be that you could recognize one car from another, but now the auto industry is so ashamed of their product that they don’t even put their name on them anymore.

I wish I still had my 1978 Silver Caddy, that I owned for 22 years.

And another thing. I don’t want anyone, especially Government, to tell them how many of which design and which color they are allowed to build, but just look at all the cars you see on the road and in a parking lot, and tell me when you see two that are exactly alike, unless you look at a rental car parking lot. Try to find one exactly like the one you are driving.

There is no need for all the variety, and that runs up the cost at a terrible rate.

Thank the Unions
To: Anti-socialist

Now that you've brought up unions, and reported your first hand evidence that all union members are dope heads, and time card cheaters, you might take note of the following:

1. Unions were responsible for the 40 hour work week in this country.
2. Unions were responsible for the elimination of Saturday as a work day.
3. Unions were responsible for the minimum wage.
4. Unions gave the average worker the bargaining power to increase their wages which in turn increased the wages of most other American's.
5. Union workers manned the nation's defense factories during WWII and were a key factor in our winning WWII.
6. Union workers are still manning most of our defense industry factories helping provide our troops with the best possible equipment.
7. Union workers helped to build the middle class in this country.

depends on which side of the fence
It appears that most of you have never run a business. It doesn’t matter what you call it, taxes, wages, interest, mortgage, a bucket of paint, and all other expenses are used to determine the sales price of the goods or service. Set that price too high, and you lose customers, set it to low and you lose your business.

It’s like saying the renters don’t pay Real Estate Taxes, just homeowners do. That’s not the way it works, the amount of rent is based on expenses which includes Property taxes. Every consumer pays the taxes of all businesses, it’s included in the price of all the goods you buy.

Do any of you remember this story. Henry Ford (owner of the company) and Walter Ruther (head of auto workers union) were walking through a new auto plant, with a lot of automated machines. Henry said, “Walter, I’d like to see you collect union dues from those machines. “ Walter replied, “Henry, I’d like to see you sell a car to one of those machines.” So you see, it depends on which side of the fence you are on.

By the way, how many of you work for a poor man? It takes money to create jobs, whatever they pay.

You hear that Mexicans take jobs that Americans don’t want. But that’s not correct. To get an American to take that job, would require a higher wage, so that the product would cost more than that American would pay for it.

You don’t like cheap goods from China? That’s easy to solve, just quit buying anything made in China, and I assure you they will quit importing those goods.

Todd told "The Big Lie"
Todd writes: Thursday, October, 18, 2007 12:16 PM
The Big Lie
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What he actually said, repeated several times here-----

In testifying before Congress in 1953, the then CEO of General Motors, Charles Wilson, said "…for years I thought what was good for the country was good for General Motors and vice versa."

He actually said, "What's good for the country is good for GM, and vice versa,"

Wilson said. "I cannot conceive of one, because for years I thought what was good for our country was good for General Motors and vice versa.

General Motors President Charles E. Wilson: "What's good for the country is good for General Motors, and vice versa."
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The Lefties took the opportunity to take that term "vice versa" and turned the sentence around. About what is expected.

And by the way, I remember this when it happened, it's not just Google talking.

Tnsldr2 wrote
"Call me crazy but like Mr. Medved points out, my freedoms and particularly my pursuit of happiness is greatly increased by the big business that America is great for and every obstacle to my growth and prosperity is government provided."

Your pursuit of happiness is greatly increased when corporations have more influence on the laws passed by our congress than a nation of voting Americans?

Of the 100 largest economies in the world, 51 are corporations. Corporations influence public policy by advertising and control and influence of the mainstream media,
financing large parts of elections, creating corporate-funded think tanks and “citizen” groups, and supporting very influential political bodies such as the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Bilderberg group, etc.

They also influence international institutions, such as the World Trade Organization, as well as international economic and political agreements.

You and Medved have a naive, pie-in-the-sky feel-good view of corporations because they have literally bought and paid for your support.

But don't despair, it didn't come cheap.

Competition...
Bobzmcishl writes:, 17, 2007 10:38 PM

And employees are either outsourced or offshored or moved to low wage states in order to boost the bottom line.

Complete lies. Having worked for various companies that have to deal with unions, I've witnessed unions lie for dope-heads, thieves & time-card liars. And, they demand that promotions are not a matter of competitive productivity but rather the length of time employees have with the company. No wonder American autos are of the lowest productive quality.

Wonder why the entertainment industry - especially sports, relies on competition for employment?

To all who hate Corporate America
I find it absolutely comical that the majority of you taking the time to email and whine are so hypocritical. Unless each and everyone of you is at a library or borrowing a computer from a friend, the way that you are communicating is through corporate America (Gateway, Microsoft, Apple, etc....) there is not one single person emailing who created their own computer from raw to finished product. For those of you who hate this country so much, I must ask why are you still here? There is no one holding a gun to your head to keep you here. Life will always have good and bad trade offs. There is no Utopia that liberals seem to believe exist, in their own delusional brains. Corporations do some really lousy things, I'll concede, but on the whole they do far more greater things and provide the citizens of this country a far greater life and opportunity than any other country in the world. For all the nay sayers, please go to China and tell the leader what you think of him, see how long you live. Or to Iran, and see how long you last there. Please illustrate a country with better healthcare, more compassion and more charity than the US. Being inventive is what made America so great, rather than having people dig ditches we invented backhoes, and bulldozers. Rather than having people pick their own crops we invented machines to do that work, we still require some people harvesting, but once again on the whole corporate America made the back breaking labor go away. The whiny liberals and the elites of society now say that everyone must get the same, but that will not promote being inventive. It promotes sloth. So for those of you who hate America please go to the countries that are so far superior to the US and send the rest of us sheep, an email.

chr3354 writes:
Just remeber most of you dont work for a poor man unless your in a start up venture (but then if a person has enough money to start a buiness they must not be poor).

how is this a bad thing anyways.
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Before corporations took over every outlet for all goods in America.
(take a drive down any main street USA, you see all merchandise, food, commodities, fuel, electronics or anything unnamed in these categories owned by corporations)
And lobbyied Congress to pass rules and regulations, and create all the government departments that control business by Federal and State Regulations, License, Insurance and fees, people could actually get their own business going with hard work.

Impossible today, thanks to corporations, not richs.
They are not the same thing.


sonofsam
yeah i can think it is good for the country and no i dont think it was caused by corperate greed but by hard work and long hours.

btw the articles doesnt say what percent of the tax burden the top 1% paid.

Just remeber most of you dont work for a poor man unless your in a start up venture (but then if a person has enough money to start a buiness they must not be poor).

how is this a bad thing anyways

You canr POSSIBLY think
that these numbers, thanks in large part to corp greed, are good for the country!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/opinion/meyer/mai n3379624.shtml
The Internal Revenue Service recently released its fun-filled report on 2005 individual income taxes. The headline is that the super-rich were even more super than in any year since 1986 when the IRS first had comparable data. The news pages of The Wall Street Journal duly took note, but not many others did.

The top 1 percent of all taxpayers earned 21.2 percent of all the money that individuals in the country earned in 2005. So one-hundredth of the taxpayers earned one-fifth of all income. (The data are available here.)

To get into that top 1 percent, you must have at least $364,657 in "adjusted gross income" -- income after various deductions and corrections. You're in-pocket income would be much higher.

The only year the super-rich 1 percent did this well was 2000, when they earned 20.8 percent of what we all earned. From 1987 to 1996, by contrast, the top 1 percent never snagged more than 16 percent of total income. In some years they only took 12 percent.

You might be more startled by this factoid: the top 10 percent of taxpayers gobbled up 46.44 percent of all 2005 income. The bottom 50 percent earned just 12.83 percent. The income for the median taxpayer was $30,881, a 2 percent drop from 2000 after inflation.

more proof
for the fair tax mwhahahahaha

Mixed blessing
I used to think that way until I found that what they want to get overrides any loyalty to the US or a political party. It's money and the power to get more money.

The Bald Eagle

Truth be known, the Turkey Vulture is what flies over Washington DC.

http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/photo_htm/Images/h3 250pi.gif

Face it, the facts are what they are.
Liberty has been squandered for money and pleasures.

when you registered to vote, when you applied for a checking account (at a Federal Reserve corp bank - look at your signature card, it states you will comply with all rulings from the Secretary of the Treasury), when you applied for a social security card.....

Ever look at the trust corporations (such as the RESOLUTION TRUST CORP (RTC) associated with the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.? Trust - a fiduciary relationship in which one party holds legal title to another's property for the benefit of a party who holds equitable title to the property.

Who holds the equitable title?

Ever notice property deeds state 'tenant' when referring to the supposed owner? We are ruled by fictitious entities - corporations are fictions.
http://www.metatech.org/the_us_constitution.html

Any person in America
Under the illusion you have an equal voice to the corporations in America?

Corporations have been given the same rights as individuals and a world of difference in money and access to the politicians.

Is this true or make believe?

found at the Delaware Secretary of State website:

INTERNAL REVENUE TAX AND AUDIT SERVICE (IRS)
For Profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 7/12/33
File No. 0325720

FEDERAL RESERVE ASSOCIATION (Federal Reserve)
Non-profit Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 9/13/14
File No. 0042817

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AUTHORITY INC. (CIA)
For Profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 3/9/83
File No. 2004409

Background info: Transfers: With the National Security Council to the Executive Office of the President by Reorganization Plan No. 4 of 1949, effective August 20, 1949; to independent agency status by EO 12333, December 4, 1981.

FEDERAL LAND ACQUISITION CORP.
For-profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 8/22/80
File No. 0897960

RTC COMMERCIAL ASSETS TRUST 1995-NP3-2
For-profit Delaware Statutory Trust
Incorporation Date 10/24/95
File No. 2554768

SOCIAL SECURITY CORP, DEPT. OF HEALTH, EDUCATION AND WELFARE
For-Profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date: 11/13/89
File No. 2213135

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.
Non-profit Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 4/19/89 File No. 2193946

http://www.state.de.us/corp/directweb.shtml
http://www.corp.delaware.gov/directweb.shtml


Unclear and incomplete
DESKJOCKEY WRITES

Clearly Jefferson was an agrarian that disliked the manufacturers and the political power of the North. I think to read more of his quotes in context will shed a more accurate light on the topic. Obviously, today Jefferson would even laugh at the quotes you posted in light of the reality of man to reduce the need of having 98% of society farming and its virtues proven of little value.
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Jefferson was addressing the values of business verse the Liberty of the individual.

In other words he would not supported the ideas of combining business and government as we have today.
Else the Preamble would read like Medved sees it.

We the consumers of America in order to establish business and love of money over all other values do establish the Corporate States of America.
God Bless money

Dismissivness Tone
The counter arguments to my comments are basically of the "take it or leave it" type. They aren't really saying what I described does not occur. And that is my point. Medved writes his fairy tale version of what corporations are all about, & we who worked in them are supposed to go along with it, just like we do at work. Only on this blog we are allowed to tell it like it really is - not some truthiness perpetrated by people who never worked in a corporation and got their facts from some textbook. To take issue with Medved's commentary is not to say that we hate corporations but that they are not the perfect places Medved makes them out to be. And to justify CEO salaries is ridiculous - even Wall Street thinks they are outrageous and out of control. I only covered the corporate internals, not the external damage that corporations do,as cited by others on this post. If the pressures put on by outside activists (whom Medved deplores) did not occur, corporations would have had an even more negative impact on our environment. Medved could have written a more balance description of corporations, and still gotten his message across - that we depend on them in our society. But we also need to hold them accountable for their actions just like any other entity that holds such power over our lives. Corporations are not exempt from criticism, just as organized religion isn't, nor government.

capitalism vs corporatism
Americans don't hate corporations. Hell, most of us work for one.

What we hate is when government chooses to bail out poorly run corporations "for the common good" which leaves the poor and middle class out in the cold. The CEOs don't get the pay cuts. They get the pay outs.

The reason agriculture is in such horrible shape in this country is that the big ag lobby influenced the vote so now the big subsidies go to the big land owners and regulates to death the small family farmer. Not to mention setting wage and price controls making it hard to employ American worker and forcing our industry out of the country.

The same thing in every economy whether it is energy, manufacturing etc.

A pure capitalist society means feds leave us the hell alone and we can do it ourselves.

BTW - The only presidential candidate that understands this is, you guessed it, Ron Paul.


Bobzmcishl writes:, 17, 2007 10:38 PM


Nepotism and cronyism are still rampant in large corporations as is sexism and ageism.

DESKJOCKEY WRITES

Of course this is more nonsense, but even so, So What. If the corporation can provide a good product by engaging in these practices, great. If the employees don’t agree with those practices in light of their compensation and other benefits, they merely go across the street to get a better package.

Bobzmcishl writes:, 17, 2007 10:38 PM

It's no wonder most employees can't wait to leave as soon as possible, unless of course they hit the jackpot by making it to upper managment.

DESKJOCKEY WRITES

Hmmm, the jackpot. Most of the companies I called on for 40 years the jackpot guy was the one that worked 105 hours a week, made brilliant decisions and had the admiration of his fellow workers or some combination. Are you saying that the human resource departments now purchase some kind of wheel of fortune device and assign a number to each employee and then spin it?

Bobzmcishl writes:, 17, 2007 10:38 PM

and they find ways to make most of their employees exempt from the fair wage act in order to work them longer at no extra pay.

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The employees demand it or they’d merely work elsewhere where they’d be compensated better.

Bobzmcishl writes:, 17, 2007 10:38 PM

Any increases in productivity that increase revenue accrue mainly to the executives.

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Total insanity although if it were true the CEO’s would be paying for the jobs rather than taking a salary.

Bobzmcishl writes:, 17, 2007 10:38 PM

Top management get golden parachutes if they get laid off while employees get lead parachutes.

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More nonsense. In companies with parachutes, the employees will often negotiate a similar deal getting anywhere from 1 wk to a couple years pay. But it is up to each employee to decide what compensation package he wants. If you want a $25M parachute then you should apply for the CEO job. Golly companies have a problem filling them. Coca Cola has often had to get turned down 10 times before getting somebody to say yes. Why not apply there for CEO in waiting when the current guy gets axed.

Bobzmcishl writes:, 17, 2007 10:38 PM

And employees are either outsourced or offshored or moved to low wage states in order to boost the bottom line.

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Why should I have to pay outrageous above market wages to buy my products? If my purchasing agent, be it Wal-Mart or GM wants to throw my money away on over priced labor, I’ll fire them and find another agent.




Corporatations have replaced defined benefit plans with defined contribution plans while executives of course have their own separate benefit plan which is defined.

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If that is what the employees want that is what the employees get. If it isn’t what they want they merely go work across the street with the guy who will give it to them.

Bobzmcishl writes:, 17, 2007 10:38 PM

Employees have gone from being viewed as an asset by managment to being a necessary evil.

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The are among the highest paid in the world and pampered beyond belief.

Bobzmcishl writes:,

CEO pay went from 40-1 highest paid to lowest paid employee to 400-1. CEO's have it great.

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The CEO is an employee that you just said are a necessary evil. Unlike the lower priced employees that are often overpaid by maybe 2 times their value the CEO is vetted by the board’s compensation committee, the outside compensation specialist that slices and dices his compensation every which way, by the board of directors and by the corporate lawyers. The CEO’s compensation is certainly within 1% of the real market unlike the guy on min wage making $7.25/hr when only worth $2.50/hr. Also the CEO has an average life of 3 yrs. and then usually becomes unemployable for life. That is why so many turn down the offer.

Bobzmcishl writes

They belong to the best union in the world, where a select group of friends (board members) give each other raises.

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So rare an exception why mention it. Just ask Michael Eisner. You don’t perform today, no matter how great you where yesterday, you are gone. If you are not gone the large mutual funds or CALPERS will demand you are gone.

Bobzmcishl writes:,

They cook the books each quarter to make Wall Street happy,

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If you can prove it, the IRS has rewarded whistle blowers with millions. Of course the culprits have always gone to jail for such acts that makes the Board outraged, the shareholders outraged and just about everybody else. You can’t blame the corporation for the crime of a couple employees acting outside the company rules and interest.

The underpinnings of reality..

The British were to the Dutch as imperial colonialism was to business. It is easy to forget that the real influences that built this great capitalist civilisation acted tansparently. As usual, that which makes the news impacts the greatest ostensible influence. The biggest mouth has the most to say.

Take commercialism. 99% of the products we buy and use are never advertised. Most of the ones that are were developed solely to benefit from hyped marketing strategies, and not necessarily to improve our lives. So there appears to be a dichotomy to the makeup of Corporate America.

By the way, Michael. What's your coffee maker doing under your kitchen sink?


The Big Lie
Defense Secretary Charlie Wilson declared (not unreasonably) that “what’s good for General Motors is good for America.” This is what was reported and often quoted. He was asked in his confirmation hearing if he could make a decision that was good for America but bad for General Motors. He replied " What's good for America is Good for General Motors". Thanks to Al Capp and his General Bullmoose, and the constant repetition in the press most use the incorrect quote.

my book on these quetions
If anyone is curious, I have a new book out that covers much of the ground in this article. It asserts that hostility to corporations is a rising force in the US and elsewhere, mostly on the left but on portions of the right too. It tackles the primary anti-corporate arguments and argues that the corporation was one of the greatest financial innovations in history. It also explores the extent to which anti-corporatism is a simple conspiracy theory.

With respect to Jefferson, it is unquestionably true that he was hostile to corporations, but they were a different animal then. "Corporations" meant chartered monopolies like the British East India Company, which had to seek permission from a king to operate in exchange for handing over a big chunk of the resulting monopoly profits to him. That was fundamentally a story of government limitations on free commerce more than abuses by business as such. This corruption occurred in post-independence America too; it was common for legislatures in places like NJ and NY to insist on corporate contributions in exchange for similar monopoly privileges. This all changed when states (and eventually countries) began to create what I call the "open-access corporation" - a legal structure where starting a corporation only requires filling out a standard form. This was a major economic revolution which launched an incredible democratization of access to capital, the fruits of which we are still reaping today. When the anti-corporate crowd wants to bring back "public accountability" of corporations, this type of profound abuse of free people will occur again.

If anyone is interested, the book is called "The Rise of the Anti-Corporate Movement: Corporations and the People Who Hate Them," by Evan Osborne. It can be had at Amazon or any of those big corporate bookstores.

talent scout writes: 17, 2007 9:30 PM

Medveds extolling merchants
Places him in direct conflict with the man he quotes from author and signer of the Declaration of Independence.
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The Spirit of Commerce and Manufacturing

…..[Jefferson quotes]

The corporations own America, we are run by merchants

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Clearly Jefferson was an agrarian that disliked the manufacturers and the political power of the North. I think to read more of his quotes in context will shed a more accurate light on the topic. Obviously, today Jefferson would even laugh at the quotes you posted in light of the reality of man to reduce the need of having 98% of society farming and its virtues proven of little value.

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1320.htm

Thumbs up!
Fantastic essay!

Oh dear, a pot comes into the kitchen
Standshisground writes: 9:01 AM
Hypocrites
It's sad that a column like Mr. Medved's that simply explains some fundamental truths about economics is needed in the 21st century.
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Just makes me wanna cry how sad it is, boohoo, waaaa, waaaa.
Medved introduces nothing new or fundamental and darn sure, no truth.
But his own.
This clown Medved presumes he speaks for America ....hardy ha ha.

He is a liar and cannot separate money from the D of I, nor what made this caountry what it is.
It was NOT corporations, the greedy money loving hypocrites do not care about anything in America but consumers.
Anyone who accepts his bs is the hypocrite











Xymbaline writes: 17, 2007 5:03 PM

..it's feudalism.

If you ever studied economics, you know that the dynamics of oligopolistic markets are quite different than anything like free markets…..

Microft has 95% of the personal computer market, Clear Channel has the cast majority of radio channels, there are less than 5 record labels now, and on and on it goes in virtually every industry.

Try to buy something other than what those firms sell, and you'll see how regimented our choices have become.

This is not freedom, it is serfdom.

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The only thing to fear is giver-ment protected business. You raise a good point of Microsoft who is now getting eaten more and more by Linux. Microsoft also doesn't have 95% of the computer market they have a large amount of the PC individual operating system market. Anyway IBM spent close to 20 years in court fighting the Feds for being a monopoly in the computer world. Microsoft came along and created more shareholder value in 20 years than IBM had. Microsoft ended IBM’s legal monopoly problems, and the FEDS went away. Being big often is your worst enemy because you have so much to protect you resist cannibalizing your products, the IBM problem. A college dropout teenager can eat your clock because he has nothing to loose and can be nibble.

Clear Channel is yet another issue, that will have to fend off the Internet distribution of video and information.

As a wise kid told me 40 years ago, all growth is temporary. The list of the nations biggest companies that cracked up is huge. In the original Dow Jones only one company remains on the list.

everyonesfacts writes: 17, 2007 2:37 PM

...the United States, should be able to make laws of all sorts but not laws that restrict individuals' freedom of movement. I would proffer that the U.S. should push for
reciprocal agreements among trading partners to encourage the free movement of labor.

(FWIW, I am for a amaximum limit of 1% of population per year.)

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My good friend I wondered why your prior post missed this opportunity.

Thank you once again for your private opinion and the new wrinkle of 1%, the result of the nation’s enormous backlash to colonization a couple months ago. You have never explained under what authority we should follow your opinion on this and throw away millions of years of natural law where man has always protected his association of culture by borders. Have you solved that one yet, like the 1%?

Why do you say that AmeriKa should not make laws to protect their borders and culture or in fact make laws to deconstruct their culture? Borders to protect association is a law of nature. Any law that violates a law of nature is bad law.

We actually have solved the problem however. Rather than doing the UN one world giver-ment where it creates the laws of culture and is promoting your plan, we leave the Mexicans to enjoy their culture while we send our economics to them rather than forcing them to come here. We are doing this with China, Brazil and other nations. It is a win, win for everybody.

Jim from Oregon,
No facts will ever be accepted by people who live in the fantasy world of NAU, SPP, CFR conspiracies, so why bother?

Why I don't trust Medved
All you ever get from Medved is the happy talk about America and the Republican Party.

He wants everyone to see these institutions through rose colored glasses.

Whenever I hear him speak I'm always wondering about all of the stuff he's leaving out on the negative side.

I've got to hand it to him. He's a very good shiester.

Phylo out.

Virginia Patriot writes:, 17, 2007 2:07

The corporate owners of The Unified Establishment Party* are already shifting funding from Rudy to Hillary. They don't care which one wins. They win either way.

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The corporate owners have an obligation to shareholders to take advantage of the political corruption of DC no different than AARP, the teachers union, other labor unions, the lawyer lobby, on & on. And if they don’t fund the campaigns, (a soft tax), they get what Bill Gates got for only giving $60K/yr to campaigns. He and the computer crowd got the message loud and clear, Bill now spends millions a year running large lobby offices to pay politicians.

You also have PC things you must do. For example major banks must endorse the Analtheism crowd, make huge inner city loans to loose money on etc. if they want their mergers approved.

We live in a fascist state and our companies know it and function accordingly. Don't blame the slave for appeasing the master.

What Is American Capitalism?
The problem is not Capitalism, but what American Capitalism has become. Money = power and influence. American corporations with their contributions to elected officials, has changed our democracy and the way business is now conducted.

Business leaders are able to get a disproportionate amount influence from elected officials through their financial contributions, Lobbying efforts, think tanks, PACS and appointments to key cabinet positions and task forces. They now help make laws and shape policy. Free trade and Competition has been replaced by Corporate Welfare and Cronyism. Greed has replaced profit.

It is no longer a choice between big business and big government. They are becoming one and the same. Big Business promotes big government as a means to get contracts and pork, Power and influence - To change the rules of the game when they cannot compete or to get access to new markets.

Our Foreign Policy, USAID and US Military is designed to protect our interests and to spread our influence of free trade and open Markets. All designed to create new markets for US businesses. The US government is a tool for US business. The US has overthrown Dictators that are anti-capitalist and do not provide markets for US business ( close study of US policy in Central America will make this clear).

Lastly, I do not deny the econmic greatness American Capitalism has built. But it comes with a double edge sword. Debt and Materialism is what drives this economy. Business wants you to buy, not save. Easy credit makes that possible for instant gratification. Bankruptcy's and forclosures are plaguing the middle class as they fall victim to unregulated business creativity.

True Capitalism that Mr. Medved speaks that made this country great is fading away.

Why is Medved still writing here?
This guy is as clueless as anyone can be....OR as someone stated earlier he is a paid STOOGE.....My bet is on the PAID STOOGE !!!
As corporations outsource manufacturing, import poisoned toys and food and insource illegal labor for the remaining jobs , count me out as a supporter of the corporate establishment. How can one man be so blatantly obvious in his lobbying for the elite .

Greed is good..War is better
Check out what unchecked capitalism inspires:

http://www.naomiklein.org/main

eheh
sonofsam writes
The country's infrastructure which is in a dreadful state of disrepair

and ordered by the goverment not private coportations but usually build by goverment who goes out of its way not to find the best company for the best price but who ever will do it the cheapest.

thinkabout it writes
First, "we the people" (recognize the referrence to the Declaration of Independence) make possible the productivity of the corporations (not the corporations). Corporations grew because of the productivity of the workers not the CEO's and professional investors that now control them.
and those coportations wouldnt exist at all with out the professional investors and the CEO that control it. oh yeah and with out a good CEO to manage the grow a business it can and will grow to fast and do what we buiness students call a crash and burn. With out a plan for sustainable organized growth all the workers productiviy is moot.

Mountain Rose
you have never been to business school have you. I am currently in buisness school and i know the reason why HR managers do the diversity training programs and hiring practices BECAUSE THEY ARE REQUIRED BY LAW. Companies that do not make a best effort to follow these PC diversity requirements can and will be sued by applicants not hired as well as fined by the federal goverment.

geez i cant beleve some people didnt know that

"These people get into these high positions because they are adept at taking credit from others, and even more adept at shifting blame."

my gosh rose are you sure your conseravtive any one at a C level postion (CEO COO CFO etc.) that does nothing but take credit from others and shifts blame around will not last long if the company is not making profit and in this day and age CEOs need to do more than just shift blame and take credit the need to shape companies visons, make decisions that affect the lively hood of thousands of people, and make sure the company is meeting all of the state and federal guidelines for a coporation it is not a job that any one can just walk in off the street and do.

Bobzmcishl
coporations now realize that without good people they cant stay compeative, so now in business school at least in managment classes you are taught employees are your most vaulable assets who can and most likely will provide the company you work for with new innovative ideas and processes imporvement.

Tell it to...
The mine workers who were 'blessed' after dying because profits came before safety.

The country's infrastructure which is in a dreadful state of disrepair, because 'privitized' corps are looking for short term profit over long term safety.

Anyone who uses 'snail mail', since privitization the rates have gone up and up - mainly to subsidize corp bulk mail.

Anyone associated with Enron.

Anyone paying for for-profit health care (if they can)

....

my goodness
Corporate power is not a blessing. Yes, many good things come from our corporations, but the potential and temptation to do bad is also there. Shells summed things up early on and some other folks added balance to the perspective. My real question is just what is Medved doing? He seems to be on a white-washing campaign that is every bit as bad as the liberal “blame America first” campaign. We all know the error in the folks who say corporations are evil. Well the same is true for any who think corporations are a blessing.

Hypocrites
It's sad that a column like Mr. Medved's that simply explains some fundamental truths about economics is needed in the 21st century. But to any liberal posters to this column who regard big corporations as practically the root of all evil, I say: if you really think this, then put your lifestyle where your mouth is. Simply eschew the products and services offered by big business. Let's see, it's big businesses that produce automobiles, so get rid of your private passenger automobile. Airlines are big businesses, so cease flying from now on - unless you're going to limit your air travel to puddle-jumping class planes. I could go on and on, but I think you see my point: for all those who rail against big corporations, how many of them have the honesty of character to decline availing themselves of what they offer? But of course, this is the left in a nutshell: they have no intention of subjecting themselves to the same inconveniences they would impose on everyone else. Let's face it, the commissars of the communist world never made themselves subject to the same deprivations they imposed on everyone else.

The People's Distrust of Corporations
I would like to respond to the opening statement in Mr. Medved's column: "Why should so many Americans resent and distrust the very institutions that make possible our productivity, pleasure and opportunities?"
First, "we the people" (recognize the referrence to the Declaration of Independence) make possible the productivity of the corporations (not the corporations). Corporations grew because of the productivity of the workers not the CEO's and professional investors that now control them.
Second, "we the people" buy the products that the corporation's people produce. Without American consumers the big corporations would perish.
Third, corporations didn't make America great. "We the people" did.
Finally, once before in our history "we the people" trusted big money and the big corporations; and "we the people" paid the price with the great depression. Our federal government has stripped away most of the protections for "we the people" that were enacted after that depression that was caused by big corporations greed.
I could go on with a longer list, like Mr. Medved did to try and protect his point of view, but "we the people" have a short attention span. Because of a biased media (both liberal and conservative) we have forgotten the depression, WWII, Vietnam, and 9/11.

Virginia Patriot
I am writing my comment at 8:23 AM, so with the wealth of comments before me, apparently a lot of people couldn't sleep last night. No such luck with Virginia Patriot. Virginia Patriot has seized upon Medved's clear intent extolling the virtues of Capitalism and VPatriot has nothing more to say than to scream about Republicans and their sins. Stay on topic, or stay off the comments! Or, start your own blog.

Charlie-Do CEOs deserve extravagant pay?

This is a good question.

Decidedly, some do deserve big saleries.

As you point out, many super stars in acting and in sports make excessive saleries too, though people complain about that as much as they complain about the saleries of CEOs.

But if you try and tell me that they all deserve massive salaries, I will argue with you.

And if you think, like most marketplace-as-god proponents, that the marketplace will reveal the bad CEOs who don't deserve big salaries, then you are naive. These people get into these high positions because they are adept at taking credit from others, and even more adept at shifting blame. They are better at "spinning" than the worst political hack!

"Hollywood" Corporations
As I said before, the MBAs who run "Hollywood," are often activist Lefties, and have more interest in propogating their radical agenda than they are in making a profit for the corporation.

Often, these companies are so massive, and it is so widely known that most movies lose money (a few make massive amounts of money that make the gamble worthwhile), that the activist Left can hide their activities for years.

They know that there is a big demand for family friendly films, but deliberately choose not to make them, because they are social engineers, trying to change the character of America.

They use the entertainment companies like massive buldozers, ramming down the ediface of American culture, not caring that they are doing damage to the battering ram in the process. They are so adept at shifting blame, and so good at covering one another's backsides, that they get away with murder in this arena.

It is naive to think that the people who run corporations want to make a profit for the stock holders. Perhaps the first generation of CEOs care about the success of their company, but once the activists take over, they can do a lot of damage using their power, before it starts to show, and they are so good at blame shifting, they may never get caught.

CEO pay
"CEO pay went from 40-1 highest paid to lowest paid employee to 400-1. CEO's have it great. They belong to the best union in the world, where a select group of friends (board members) give each other raises."

I AM SO OVER THESE INANE ARGUEMENTS!

CEOs are the "ROCK STARS" of their industry. They comparatively earn much less than some "intelligence challenged" movie star, sports "legend", "pop" music icon, or other "star" of the entertainment industry...ALL of whom do little to materially further the lives of "ordinary" people, but where are the lynch mobs forming to "reform" the entertainment industry and its MOGULS?

"BIG OIL", bad...Brad Pitt, good...HAHAHAHAHA...Wall Street, evil...Patton Manning, a lesser God...HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Some day soon, everyone should explore how much in their immediate life DEPENDS upon the successful efforts on their behalf by "BIG OIL"...it is so much more than the gas used to move your fat a@@ to the premier of the next Brad Pitt movie!

doug- corporations lobbying for libral
projects:

The trouble with corporations is that they are run by MBAs who have degrees from American universities, where they are brainwashed in leftist thinking.

Most Human Resources departments are definately run by Leftist PC principals, and are being advised by lawyers who together impliment the stupid "diversity training" classes that everyone is required to attend.

"Hollywood" in particular is being run by Leftie MBAs, who may love money, but are socially VERY liberal, and seek to shove their radical ideas down the throats of America.

On the other hand...
I have many complaints about the inner runnings of large corporations, but there are some good things as well.

As an employee, you can often get a better salary at a major corporation than you can at a mom and pop operation, because these behemouths become money-making machines, and they often have money to burn.

Another thing that is good at a large corporation is that you don't have to rub elbows with the owner all the time. My experience with small companies is that the owner is often anxious about the finances. If you make an error adn have to do something over, he only sees dollars going down the toilet. I worked at one company where the owner was very emotional. Every time she made a big sale, she operated under one set of rules and be overly generous. When business was slow, however, she would change the "rules of engagement" and even the way she would pay us. Since business went up and down weekly, it was very disconcerting to have the rules change as often as the owner changed her socks.

As I write this, I find myself looking forward to returning to the major corporation I used to work for next spring, when they plan to hire for a new project. When I worked there, I couldn't wait to leave, but now that I see how difficult to make a living on my own I can't wait to go back.

There is a certain amount of liberty that is given up for security. Is this a form of Feudalism? Probably, but in life there are always trade-offs.

We the peopole are the Corporations
Great article by Medved. I am sending to my H.S. age son to read.

"We the people" are the corporations. When government does not control corporations people do. I have stock in corporations, corporate entitities provide great goods and services and in the end if we the people don't like a corporation it either goes out of business or changes. Anyone bought an IBM computer lately? IBM was one of the biggest corporations for awhile but when cheaper computers came around the corporation changed. I buy Ford cars mostly, but if they didn't make good cars WE THE PEOPLE wanted they wouldn't be in business.

What is not to like? I looked over every anti-corporate post and other then influence in politics (which Medved criticizes in his article) there was no reason to be against corporations. Other then some guy got rich and I didn't pout even though it was his capital, innovation, leadership and risk.

Call me crazy but like Mr. Medved points out, my freedoms and particularly my pursuit of happiness is greatly increased by the big business that America is great for and every obstacle to my growth and prosperity is government provided.

Un momenton said
"If the choice is between "Big Business" or "Big Government", give me "Big Business" every time."

I think you miss the point, Un - big business IS big government - they are so wedded they are virtually the ame, like conjoined twins who have two bodies but share one brain and one heart.

Big business IS our government, don't kid yourself.

MIcheal very informative article
It has been great to read your articles of late. They so remind me of your style when I first started listening to your program some 10 years or so ago. I am very appreciative of what corporations have done for this nation.

My trouble with them is the amount of lobbying they do for liberal projects, of late.

A Poorly run Corporation Goes Belly-Up
A good corporation is truly a boon to the "Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth". A bad or poorly run corporation will die and go out of business, which is a good thing.

If the choice is between "Big Business" or "Big Government", give me "Big Business" every time. "Big Government" is accountable to the rules it makes for itself, which is like saying "No rules".


Corporations are our Friends?
All I know is that corporations will buy up a business, use it up with no long term commitments, and pride in quality and more along. There was a story not long ago about one that bought nursing homes in Tampa Florida, the old people started dying like flies, all in the name of quick money. Then they sell out there stuff here and move to Mexico and pay them slave wages.

Corporate Life Cycle
I guess Medved never really worked in a real corporation or he would not be so ecstatic about them. At one time corporations were fairly good places to work. Their was a balance between customer focus, employee focus, and shareholder focus. Today it is all about the latter. Employees have gone from being viewed as an asset by managment to being a necessary evil. CEO pay went from 40-1 highest paid to lowest paid employee to 400-1. CEO's have it great. They belong to the best union in the world, where a select group of friends (board members) give each other raises. They cook the books each quarter to make Wall Street happy, and they find ways to make most of their employees exempt from the fair wage act in order to work them longer at no extra pay. Any increases in productivity that increase revenue accrue mainly to the executives. Top management get golden parachutes if they get laid off while employees get lead parachutes. And employees are either outsourced or offshored or moved to low wage states in order to boost the bottom line. Corporatations have replaced defined benefit plans with defined contribution plans while executives of course have their own separate benefit plan which is defined. Nepotism and cronyism are still rampant in large corporations as is sexism and ageism. It's no wonder most employees can't wait to leave as soon as possible, unless of course they hit the jackpot by making it to upper managment. So save the corporations are great rhetoric for your speeches to the Rotary Club.

Don't feed the pig
Rock Strongo

Typically, a lib sees a fascist under every Bush.

In this case, Dolly Llama is closer to the mark than you. "Public-private partnership" and "fascism" are nearly synonymous. A history of the Krupp family's relations with Germany's political masters should be highly instructive.

In fact, corporatism has been been every bit as deleterious to our freedoms as the the statist policies pursued and implemented by the leftards in the past century, possibly even moreso.

Personal liberty is antithetical to corporatists - except their own, of course. Who needs independent-minded sheep? The blame for every infringement on personal freedom from seat belt laws to anti-smoking laws can be laid at the feet of corporate America.

I'm hardly a liberal - whatever THAT means nowadays - and even I think it's about time to quit feeding the corporate pig.





Rose colored glasses

ClearCommentary.com writes:
Mr. Medved's arguments is cogent and credible because they are correctly predicated on an accurate rendering of human motivation in the context of a free market system.
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We are not close to having a free market in America.
We have collusion and partnership of business and government.

The corporations have the money the politicians want, and the politicians have the power the corporations want.

"We the people" are seen as "consumers" and we can go eat cake.
Whose will is the government following in the open borders?

Citizens or corporations?
Should be easy to discern seeing as 80 percent of us want the illegal immigration laws enforced

calmdown:equate big business w religion?
It is funny you say that, because I went through a phase where I tried to start a couple of small business and came across a phenomonon where many small business owners practice a strange kind of new age religion.

It starts as a kind of positive thinking, which is a good thing, but takes on a life of its own, as if thinking positively will make one a successful business person. It grows until the proponents believe that they can speak anything into existance, just like God.

I have had small-business owner friends who refuse to allow you to say anything negative in their presence, no matter how true, because it might come to pass.

One of the drawbacks of this practice is that it leads people to lie to themselves and each other. My girlfriend is a graphic designer, and has trouble with small business owners who won't admit that they can't afford her services. She does the work they request, but when it comes time for them to pay, they can't come up with the cash, or worse, they write rubber checks.

Yes, the religion of business is out there, and I mean REALLY out there!

Medveds extolling merchants
Places him in direct conflict with the man he quotes from author and signer of the Declaration of Independence.
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The Spirit of Commerce and Manufacturing

"I consider the class of artificers [i.e., manufacturers] as the panders of vice and the instruments by which the liberties of a country are generally overturned." --Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, 1785. ME 5:94, Papers 8:426

"I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." --Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1816. FE 10:69

"The selfish spirit of commerce... knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain." --Thomas Jefferson to Larkin Smith, 1809. ME 12:272

"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains." --Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119

"Corruption of morals... is the mark set on those who, not looking up to heaven, to their own soil and industry, as does the husbandman, for their subsistence, depend for it on the casualties and caprice of customers. " --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIX, 1782. ME 2:229

"Money and not morality is the principle of commerce and commercial nations... Justice, honor, faith, must yield to the necessity of keeping themselves in place. The question whether a measure is moral is never asked, but whether it will nourish the avarice of their merchants, or the piratical spirit of their navy, or produce any other effect which may strengthen them in their places... " --Thomas Jefferson to John Langdon, 1810. (*) ME 12:376



The corporations own America, we are run by merchants

Corporations: a blessing & a curse
I believe that Medved is sincere, but he should take a poll of people who distrust corporations, and he would probably find that most of them actually work for corporations and have seen them operate from the inside.

I thank God that in America, a man with a dream, like Ford, Edison, Disney, Jobs, and the Google Guys can rise up from nothing to make a creative empire that makes them wealthy and employs many thousands of people.

Unfortunately, what happens to these companies is bureaucracy. Yes, just like the government is bogged down with mind-numbed bureaucrats, so are corporations.

The other curse of major corporations are the power-hungry climbers, who see promotion to upper management as a means by which they can express their inner Marquis de Sade.

It only gets worse after the original owner dies and he is replaced by an MBA who is good at promoting himself, but not so good at running a company. He hires his boyhood friends, who spend millions of dollars remodelling and redecorating a suite of offices, hiring a bevy of beautiful secretaries (excuse me, the PC term is assistant), and tossing pencils at the ceiling while waiting for his first assignment... which never comes. When the stock holders finally catch wind of these excesses, the CEO's chum is let go, but not without his multi-million dollar golden parachute.

Anyone who complains about the obscene excesses in government spending, but turns a blind eye to the even more obscene financial waste taking place in American corporations, is fooling himself.

Everyone is dumber for reading this
Stick to reviewing movies and defending slavery Medved.

But I think
Just the wording in Medved's title, "Corporate power Blesses..." should tell us something about the agenda that equates big business with religion.

Sorry
for all the typos; my keyboard is shot.

corporate power
elects our presidents and dictates the national laws an policies. Without the cash infusions that campaigns receive from "corporate powers" candidates couldn't get to the primaries. When elected, corporate Presdiential and Congressional choices are then obligated to serve the same institutions that got them elected in the first place. If it's not pure fascism, it's definitely corporateism, or corporate-democracy.

You think your votes are waht determines America's fate? It was bought and paid for before you even got tot he polls.

Dolly Lame-O
Typical liberal. Rather than attempt to refute anything Medved says, you fling out an ad-hominem attack and call him a "fascist," a term whose meaning you are clearly unfamiliar with.

Medved clearly advocates free market capitalism, the very antithesis of state control of the economy, such as fascists advocate.

Before tossing around leftist buzzwords, it would help if you actually knew what they meant. It might make your nonsensical posts not seem quite so idiotic (if that's at all possible).

Serfdom?
Some see serfdom where others see the silent hand of the market at work. Corporate acquisitions and mergers are that very hand and the consolidations don't work unless they deliver a more desirable product more efficiently--that leads to higher profitiability and shareholders participate in that.

How can this be characterized as 'serfdom'?

Mr. Medved's arguments is cogent and credible because they are correctly predicated on an accurate rendering of human motivation in the context of a free market system.

For those who believe there's a better place to call home the exit sign is illuminated and only requires an airline ticket to get there.

But you may find that the grass is gray and stubby in that pasture of your dreams because there is simply no other nation on earth that affords you the opportunity to succeed the way America does.

But, by all means, give Norway or Belgium a shot, and drop us all a line after a couple years.

Phil Mella, Editor
http://clearcommentary.com

xymbaline
There is a marvelous solution to not being able to get what you want because a big corporation doesn't supply it - start your own company to manufacture, advertise and supply what you want. If others want it also, your little business becomes a big corporation and you too can oppress the serfs.

That is the one of the great parts of America - you can really and truly build a business from nothing.

xymbaline
There might be something to what you say, but
your ideas about music are way off. There are
fewer labels recently because the recorded music business is quickly dying. But with myspace and
other sites access to music is now more available
than ever - it just might take more work. Radio
station ownership has consolidated that's true
but with satellite and internet the options are
mind boggling. Again might take a little
searching to find what you want, but there are
many more options now.

Does Linux and others have that little share in
the market?

I also might mention ebay, Craig's List,
Overstock.com as a viable option for fundamentals
and luxuries.

To Phileo:
You state that NAU concerns are "fantasies" that rob credibility from anybody who expresses such concerns.

But are you aware that in the last couple of weeks former Mexican president Fox, in the course of promoting his new book, has admitted that he and President Bush discussed North American integration?

And even discussed in a "very, very, long way off" plan to create a unified trans-national currency.

So, is Fox lying?

What would be his motive for lying?

What do you make of Corporate Power wanting amnesty?

Sorry, there are too many facts on the table to carry the ridicule tactic (which you employ and echo Bush and Medved).

Actually, your failure to offer any serious counter arguments reduces your credibility.

Think about that.

Not capitalism, it's feudalism.
Sorry Mr. Medved, you have just lost me as a reader/listener.

If you ever studied economics, you know that the dynamics of oligopolistic markets are quite different than anything like free markets.

When companies are so big that they can make people buy what they decided to produce instead of producing what people really want to buy, you have a new kind of feudalism.

It's true that we depend on these firms for our fundamentals and luxuries, but they've narrowed our choices down so far that we only get to buy from the same firms under different names.

Microft has 95% of the personal computer market, Clear Channel has the cast majority of radio channels, there are less than 5 record labels now, and on and on it goes in virtually every industry.

Try to buy something other than what those firms sell, and you'll see how regimented our choices have become.

This is not freedom, it is serfdom.

Virginia
As far as border control goes, absolutely. Illegal immigration en masse as we've experienced, IMHO, is the core reason for any problem this country has today and faces in the future.

Only in this aspect would I prefer government to step into corporations and private businesses and make it mandatory for all employees and new hires to be screened by their employer. If they are not a citizen or have the proper work visa, report them then deport them. Someone else would be happy to have a job.

Corporations are pure as the driven snow
Mr. Medved can't possibly be that incredibly naive, can he?

Yes corporations have lead America to it's position of greatness in the world. Microsoft, Ford, and on and on.

At the same time, to think that they can go on without oversight is ridiculous.

Let's see we get -

Beechnut substituting flavored, colored sugar water for babies for apple juice.
President of privately held ADM gets convicted of price fixing with other food processors.
Koehler Plumbing requiring their workers to continue to work during their lunches and simply remove shields, hoods and gloves to take a bite of their sandwich while they work.
Construction industry in the US, followed by the chemical and mining industries with some of the worst safety records.
Can you say Enron?
Child labor laws.
Let's see how many more FOOD recalls are we going to have under this administration because the FDA is understaffed?

Gee Michael NOW do you understand why folks are a little cautious about big corporations?

Jim in Oregon
Great posts

A History Not Told
In early 19th century America, to incorporate was a special privilege only to be given by legislative action. Yes, that's right, each corporation had to be granted a corporate charter on an individual basis by a majority vote of the legislature in the respective state.

Why?

Because in early America it was recognized that to allow corporate formation to a group of people was to give advantages, legal and otherwise, over individuals in the market.

Now, of course that has changed and incorporation is done as a matter of course.

But it is right to remember that incorporation gives numerous advantages to a group over individuals.

I think it is safe to say America has always been cautious about awarding "group rights."

Our Rights come from God on an individual basis.

As recognized in our Declaration of Independence and United States Constitution. They transend the existence of government.

Corporations are good, unchecked corporate power is bad policy and alien to the history of the American Republic.

Mr. Medved,
"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are.....LEGISLATORS."
-P.J. O'Rourke

You are right that the opportunities for corruption, and the egregiousness of said corruption, are far greater in government.

NAU, SPP, CFR... poo
Some are using Medved's article as a jumping of point to accuse him as a corporate toadie or to raise fears about the non-existent North American Union and other weird conspiracies.

Some of their points are actually good, but their stated belief in fantasies obliterates their credibility on all their other points.

Skewering sacred cows...
"...the public felt more approval of “small business” than of “big corporations” by a ratio of more than three to one..."

Medved says this attitude that favors small business over big corporations is unfounded. I beg to differ. The reason big corporations tend to be corrupt is the same reason big government tends to be corrupt; lack of accountability.

HOWEVER, if big government can be convinced to reduce regulation and free the entrepreneurial spirit, big corporations will be held accountable by the free market. In other words, small businesses would be given the opportunity to outperform their big counterparts, garner more customers and grow their small businesses as large as their dreams will allow.

Big corporations are great only as long as they are not allowed to use their influence to coerce politicians into regulating their competitors out of business.

Corporations Good, Corporate Control Bad
Undoubtedly, Corpoarations have been a plus for America. It is true, we owe much to their organization and productivity.

Yet, on the other hand Americans should be weary of their political control of the American political system, The American Republic.

It is not true that whatever is good for corporations is good for America.

Nor is it true, that whatever corporations want politically, the poltical system should give them.

America must balance competing interests.

Of course, that is the genius of the our democratic - republican system of government.

The corporate interests want cheap labor (except for CEO's and upper level management).

They want to dilute our sovereignty.

Example: SPP and other sovereignty weakening schemes.

And, new to our historical experience, they want to off-shore production. Historically, America engaged in protectionism (during that gilded age, no less), to stimulate manufacturing in THIS country. And Corporate America was all in favor.

This article is telling: No wonder Mr. Medved uses ridicule to claim there is no North American Union type aims in corporate America.

Mr. Medved announces in this article he is a mouthpiece for Corporate America.

Healthy scepticism is crucial to strong reasoning (and strong journalism) and Mr. Medved seems to have given up that when it comes to the political desires of corporate America.

Please, in closing, don't get me wrong, much (90%)of what Mr. Medved writes is correct, Corporations are the backbone of American economic achievement.

But in this Globalist age, not every desire of corporate America is good for the American common man.

Middle Class Americans (and lower income Americans) are right to give pause, and apply healthy scepticism to allowing Corporate America to dictate polical-economic policy.

The U.S. Constitution says in its preamble
"WE THE PEOPLE" not 'we the corporations.'

There is a lesson to be taken from that.





Outstanding
Outstanding article, Michael. Capitalism and corporations have made this a great and free nation -- the only thing better than a gross profit is an obscene profit. Long live Christmas bonuses. Le'Chaim.

Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement


We need Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement, not reform. We need to restore respect for the law and the faith of the American people that their government is not selling them out. Amnesty for the illegal aliens is also amnesty for the corrupt companies who have been employing them. Money trumps everything, including love of country. Multi-nationals have no loyalty to country by definition, they see us as a market, not a nation. They see people as workers, documented or undocumented, no difference. If they can't send the work to where the labor is cheaper, then they want to bring the cheap labor here. If citizenship becomes meaningless, this is no longer The United States of America.

If we love our Constitution and our representative Republic and we intend to keep it we must not surrender our sovereignty or abandon the rule of law. Profits must not supercede security. We should not create a new path to citizenship. We have a path to citizenship, more generous than any other country, illegal aliens have ignored it and bad choices do have consequences.

free market and immigration
I think your posts at 2:23 and 2:26 contradict
each other. The free market when regulating
freely would allow for movement of labor over
state borders. Of course, states have the
authority to regulate immigration but often to
the detriment of the market.

So Medved is right when he writes:
"A determined individual can escape the reach of even the most ubiquitous corporation (yes, even our Seattle neighbors at Microsoft) but the only way to choose for yourself a different national government is to flee the country. Yes, corporate power frequently corrupts government, and government power even more frequently corrupts and warps corporations, but the best way to avoid this mutually destructive influence is to bring about less bureaucratic involvement in the free market, not to insist on more."

Which backs up what I have written before about
immigration and the invisible hand:

The LAW of SUPPLY and DEMAND cannot operate
purely without individuals having the same
freedom of movement as businesses have.

Thus, states, including the United States, should
be able to make laws of all sorts but not laws
that restrict individuals' freedom of movement.
I would proffer that the U.S. should push for
reciprocal agreements among trading partners to
encourage the free movement of labor.

(FWIW, I am for a amaximum limit of 1% of population per year.)

(And obviously, individuals or members of groups
that aim to or violate other's rights would not
be able to have this freedom of movement.

Thus I am for a wall/fence on both borders so we
can know who is in our country, but all people of
good will should be welcome.)

In Favor of Capitalism, Not corporatism

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Shells
Medved has been a cheerleader for amnesty and cheap labor importation. Amnesty is as much for the corporations employing the illegals as it is for the illegals themselves. Why do you think the Chamber of Commerce has pushed so hard for it? If we cannot control our borders we will no longer have a country.

Good column
I think this is Medved's 5th straight article on
big issues in American history and this is by far
the best one, although the last one was mostly
right to.

Anyways, I would just add that the use of government
to check business is a good thing. I don't know if
it is true that corporations are far less corrupt, but I can say it doesn't really matter if they are
internally corrupt usually they only hurt
themselves. What government can do well with
private input is to set up standards - enviro,
labor, accounting, etc. that actually benefit the
free market when done right.

Virginia
I admire your tenacity, but you've changed. I used to love your posts, but now you appear no different than a Paulette.

I too worry about our country just like everyone else, and we all have a hard decision to make in 2008. But your "Beware! Let's Change! Vote for Hunter!" posts are getting redundant and almost a turn off.

And insulting the author, which is in your right to, is also not helping win me over to your ideals.

Socialism denies self interest's reality
Capitalism get a bum rap because it acknowledges people's self interest just because it often warps into selfishness. Selfishness is also a reality.
Staying grounded in Reality is good, even when the news about human nature is bad.
Socialism generally ignores of denies selfishness as a major motivator. It wants benevolent dictators and bureaucrats to act with their charges' interests foremost. By pretending that benevolence is the norm, it sets itself up for failure when Reality occurs.

I have nothing against corporations
I happen to work for a great one that does what it can during the hardtimes, to keep all their employees, have no lay offs, great benefits, matches our 401K's, and gives away merchandise and has swank parties for all of us. They treat me quite well.

Not every corporation is a Utopia. I have worked in shifty ones that will kick you out the door so the a VP can get a mahogany desk instead on your salary.

Corporation aren't evil, small business owners aren't evil---only people who are evil can make a place of business appear evil.

The Deciders


The corporate owners of The Unified Establishment Party* are already shifting funding from Rudy to Hillary. They don't care which one wins. They win either way. The RNC and the DNC are two divisions under the same ownership. The cheap labor express will be kept running, regardless of the will of the people.

That is, unless we nominate and elect someone who actually WILL secure the border and enforce the laws. It's up to us to save the GOP from itself and bring it back to its principles. The "handlers" have to be shown the door by voting your conscience in the primaries. Stop listening to the spin and hype, decide for yourself who best represents your values. If a cross-dressing, former mayor of a sanctuary city who marches in gay pride parades reflects your values, vote for Rudy. If that does not reflect your values, figure out who does and vote accordingly. We can nominate someone other than the MSM's choice. It's our country, we are the deciders.

*(h/t Pasadena Phil)

Hold Your Nose And Lose Your Country

Republican voters still get to decide who their nominee will be. Money only buys elections when people act like sheep. If 80% of Republicans are indeed seeking a conservative, we can nominate one. We can nominate Duncan Hunter by voting in the primaries. The money players won't like it and are trying to convince us only Rudy McRomneyson can win. Hogwash. 49% of people will never vote for Hillary. Only 60% voted last time and turnout was the difference. My belief is Rudy would push turnout down. There might even be a third party, splitting the vote. Give Americans a chance to vote for a candidate who WILL secure the border and watch what happens to turnout. Americans want their government to fulfill it's most basic responsibility.

The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

http://www.gohunter08.com

Medved Is A Paid Stooge
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