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Wednesday, August 29, 2007
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Worst GOP Field Ever--or the Best?
by Michael Medved
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If there’s one sentiment that seems to unite desperate Republicans in the run-up to the campaign of 2008 it would seem to be profound discomfort, if not outright disgust, with the current field of Presidential candidates.

I’ve heard literally dozens of demoralized friends and colleagues express their frustration with this crop of contenders in remarkably similar terms. The common mantra usual proclaims that this must count as “the worst group of Republican candidates in all of American history.”

Of course, this grim conclusion raises an obvious question: if this field amounts to the worst clutch of candidates ever, then which year yielded a better array of choices?

Last time (2004) there was no GOP alternative to President Bush. Does this constitute a richer spectrum of choices?

In 2000, the only serious, durable alternative to Bush was Senator McCain – and he’s an alternative once again this time. The other candidates included ego-tripping Senators Orrin Hatch and Bob Smith – who, in the style of this year’s Sam Brownback, ran more for attention and publicity than with any real thought of winning anything.

The 2000 race also brought its share of hard-right fringe candidates: Gary Bauer, Alan Keyes, Steve Forbes and Pat Buchanan (Buchanan eventually left the Republican Party to run on the “Reform Party” ticket, garnering a paltry 0.4% of the vote.) At least this year’s angry fringe candidates (Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter) can point to real political experience, having each won many terms in the House of Representatives. When it came to Bauer, Keyes, Forbes and Buchanan eight years ago, as well as the brief campaign of Elizabeth Hanford Dole, none of them had ever won election to public office before. Why would we consider a field full of seasoned political veterans less formidable than a group of stumbling amateurs?

Going back to other recent elections, the struggle for the ’96 nomination came down to Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, columnist Pat Buchanan, and former Tennessee Governor Lamar Alexander—with the Buchanan and Alexander campaigns quickly collapsing in the face of Dole’s established position in the party. As in 2000, magazine publisher Steve Forbes and unemployed orator Alan Keyes also tried, without much success, to generate support and other members of the Senate and House (“B-1 Bob” Dornan, Senators Richard Lugar of Indiana and Phil Gramm of Texas) briefly put their names in play before hasty withdrawal. Who, precisely, in that uninspiring field makes it tower over today’s choices of Giuliani, Thompson, Huckabee, Romney and McCain?

And then there was the nomination scrap of 1988, where Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush ultimately prevailed (after finishing third in the Iowa Caucuses) against Senator Bob Dole and religious broadcaster Pat Robertson. Delaware Governor Pete DuPont, former Congressman Jack Kemp, and former Secretary of State Al Haig also bid for Presidential support, but dropped out long before the convention.

I’m running through this recent political history in order to put our current crop of candidates in proper perspective.

We all know the drawbacks of each of the major contenders, and we’ve heard them enumerated on countless occasions: Giuliani is wrong on abortion and went through two messy divorces; Romney is a slick, pandering flip-flopper and the member of a controversial religion; McCain is too old and too cantankerous, having alienated most of the party’s base; Thompson looks indecisive with his delayed entry and seems often upstaged by his micro-managing Trophy Wife; Huckabee can’t seem to raise money, and his background as a Baptist preacher would alienate Catholic voters.

Of course, in any crop of GOP candidates from any year in history, one could go through the list and quickly disqualify all of them. Concerning Ronald Reagan in 1980, for instance: you could say he was too old (nearly 70), too right wing, too “Hollywood” (with suspicions of dyed black hair), divorced, too simple-minded – a “dummy actor” turned two-term governor with no foreign policy experience whatever, but who somehow became one of our greatest presidents.

We now look back on that Reagan campaign for the nomination as the last great group of contenders for the GOP nomination, with the former California Governor finally triumphing over former CIA Director (and his ultimate running mate) George H. W. Bush, former Senate Minority Leader Howard Baker, Senator Bob Dole (yet again), former Texas Governor (and former Democrat) John Connally, and two obscure House members from Illinois --Phil Crane and John Anderson.

The only reason this list of candidates sounds more impressive than the roster of today’s contenders is because it includes the name of Reagan – and we know how he turned out for his party and for his country. But Republicans can only damage our chances for the future if we dwell too obsessively over the glories of the past.

Recently, I hosted a Reagan Ranch Center commemoration of President Reagan’s “Tear Down This Wall” address with former White House speechwriter Peter Robinson, who helped the President prepare that speech. A member of the audience asked Robinson who he believed would be “the next Ronald Reagan” and the one-time White House aide very wisely commented: “There won’t be another Ronald Reagan. He was singular, one of a kind, like Lincoln and Churchill. We get that kind of leader only once a generation, maybe once a century. We shouldn’t expect or demand another one. We were lucky to get one, and we should feel thankful for it.”

In this context, we ought to cut the current candidates some slack and compare them to their predecessors in recent nomination fights, or to the likely Democratic alternatives—not try to measure them against one of the greatest Republicans who ever lived.

In fact, all five of the leading contenders – Giuliani, Thompson, Romney, McCain and Huckabee—are smart, fascinating individuals with compelling stories to tell. Already, they all display better television communication skills than President Bush – and they all give evidence of getting even sharper in their presentations as the campaign advances. Each of the big five has achieved notable success in previous endeavors – though Romney more in the business world and at the Olympics than in his one term as Massachusetts governor, and Thompson more as a crusading attorney in Tennessee and a likable Hollywood star than in his short service in the Senate.

Given the actual, undeniable strength of the Republican candidates, then why do so many GOP activists and insiders sound so dispirited about the choices before us?

There are three basic reasons that this field looks much worse than it is:

1.THE STATURE GAP: In all recent nomination fights, Republicans have possessed one obvious and overwhelming frontrunner: Nixon in ’68 and ’72, Ford in ’76, Reagan in ’80 and ’84, George H.W. Bush in ’88 and ’92, Dole in ’96, and the younger Bush in 2000 and 2004. Half of these dominant figures (Nixon, Ford, and the first Bush) have been Vice Presidents of the United States while the other three also possessed formidable credentials – Governor of California and previous Presidential candidate (Reagan), Senate Majority Leader and previous candidate (Dole), and Governor of Texas and son of a former President (the second Bush).

This time there’s no over-shadowing “big guy” in the GOP Presidential race---no well known front-runner to make the whole field look more credible. Hillary Clinton shows the way that a strong, household name front-runner can even make rivals look bigger and more significant: she’s so far in the lead, and so familiar to every American, that Hillary vs. Obama quite naturally sounds like more of an epic battle royal (despite the untested nature of both candidates in national campaigns) than, say, Rudy vs. Romney. With no one Republican emerging from the pack, it makes it harder to visualize any of the fiercely competing rivals actually measuring up to the Presidency.

2. DEMS ARE MORE EXCITED ABOUT THEIR CANDIDATES. It’s not just surging optimism based on their Congressional takeover in ’06: the Democrats also benefit from the novelty factor in their nomination race. Among their candidates they love to highlight the first serious female candidate, the first serious black candidate, the first serious Latino candidate, and the first ever aging Zen loon-dog from Alaska. In response, the Republicans can boast the first Mormon, and the first twice-divorced Italian-American.

Obviously, the Democratic “firsts” (okay, all except Mike Gravel) sound more thrilling to the press and public. Part of the GOP discomfort with our candidates involves a sense of envy, either openly acknowledged or sometimes unconscious: we look over to the other party and see their contenders raising more money and drawing far more positive press (Democrats always do). No wonder we feel less than thrilled as the race begins to shape up.

3. TOO MANY INDIANS. The sheer size of the Republican field keeps any one contender from emerging into the sunlight and makes all the competitors look smaller and less imposing than they should. The Democratic race has already taken clear shape: it will pit Hillary against Obama until one of them (almost certainly Obama) abandons the field. Other candidates, including Con Edwards and Bill Richardson, look increasingly like also-rans (and Vice Presidential possibilities). Among Republicans, however, Rudy, Romney and Thompson all remain obviously competitive, with outside chances (still) for McCain and Huckabee (if they can solve their fundraising problems).

In addition there are the yipping pups (Hunter, Brownback, Tancredo, Paul) who prevent any of the Big Dogs from looking fierce and formidable. They have no more chance of winning the nomination than former governors Jim Gilmore and Tommy Thompson, who already dropped out. And every time the distraction candidates appear alongside serious contenders, it makes them all look less significant – more like the proverbial Nine Dwarves. With too many Indians in their Presidential tribe, the Republicans face a tougher time settling on a chief.

Considered on a rational, dispassionate basis, none of these problems should bring about permanent crippling of GOP prospects in the general election. Each of the difficulties – the stature gap, the greater Democratic excitement, and the confusing plethora of contenders -- should sort itself out as the race proceeds, and some excitement begins to build while distraction candidates fall away (or else go off to the fringe-party fate that some of them seem to crave).

Instead of whining about the low quality of the current candidate collection, Republicans ought to take a serious look at all of these formidable (if flawed) contenders, giving at least as much attention to their significant strengths as to their much-discussed weaknesses. Any of the Big Five – Rudy, Romney, Thompson, McCain, and Huckabee—could plausibly beat Hillary and recent polling shows a sharply competitive race.

Republicans can win that competition if we place our contenders in an appropriate context and recognize that this may comprise the best, not the worst, assemblage of Presidential contenders we’ve seen in recent years.

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Michael Medved's daily syndicated radio talk show reaches one of the largest national audiences every weekday between 3 and 6 PM, Eastern Time. Michael Medved is the author of eleven books, including the bestsellers What Really Happened to the Class of '65?, Hollywood vs. America, Right Turns and, most recently, The Ten Big Lies About America.
 
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GNOGGE? Not For Long, I'm Afraid
I am completely baffled by Medved's utter disrespect for and dismissal of a man who I have come to respect more than any other in Washington.
I'm talking about Tom Tancredo.
How it is that Michael Medved could be so wrong completely escapes me and leads me to doubt and mistrust his opinions and motives on every other matter.
In short, Mr. Medved, you can talk all you want but I'm not listening. You've lost me, a staunch conservative, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Thanks, Michael!
Your approach, though not popular, is refreshing and appears to be the only way to win the next election.

hmmmmmmm
well i like huckabee and ron paul.

having said what has to be said, i think it is a blessing that we hae so many candidates - every one of them is unique and has strong points. even the minor candidates are shaping the debate and might serve in briging the major candidates back to their senses.

take tancredos strong anti immigration stance - he forced the other candidates to pick up this issue.

take ron pauls honest limited governmnet position - he'll force the others to adopt this position as well.

after the primaries we'll have a well shaped front runner that unites all the good old republican positions the minor candidates forced him to adopt.

A different perspective...
I don't necessarily agree with every one of Mr. Medved's points in this column, but I like the different perspective.

To my namesake: Mr. Tancredo is not a serious contender in any respect. Two things in particular set him aside as a "not ready for prime time player" in my book: his lack of ANY executive or leadership experience (sorry, even if I really really really agreed he had the right ideas I worry about someone who's never been "in charge", especially if/when a crisis hits) and his assertion that in the face of a terrorist attack on the US we should initiate a nuclear attack on a sovereign nation not directly involved in the terrorist attack and that would destroy our economy and deplete our allied base in the fight against terrorism.

NOTE:
There are two "John Galt"'s involved in this debate ;) . I am underlined, meaning I also have a blog (shameless plug!!!!) :D

Too Many Indians
Regarding "TOO MANY INDIANS" - if the top 3 candidates would refuse to do so many stinkin' debates, the rest of the candidates would fall by the wayside. Why should the bottom group in the polls drop out when they can get so much TV face time without having to pay for an ad? With all of the brainiacs these campaigns hire, you would think that someone would advise the Top Poll Number Guys to stop doing so many debates. Not only might they benefit from picking up the drop outs' supporters but when they actually do a debate, they might get more time to give an answer.

Repulican Candidates???
Why all the WHINING?? Michael, as a former listener--you usually have an answer to this naysaying. What's wrong--Tired? The reason is...
DUH!! The ELECTION IS 14 MONTHS AWAY!!! When we kicked the Brits out oh here the second time we should have checked to see if they had ANY redeeming ideasl They DID!! Election campaigns that are limited to 6 weeks!! God! How I yearn for that here!!

Huckabee rolls over for Chris Matthews
So now I see Huckabee sounding a lot like Hillary on the topic of a nationwide cigarette ban. People, why not just vote Democratic? We can get the real thing. Heck, the Democrats might even be less liberal than the Republicans. Bush is definitely the biggest spender since Johnson. They sound just as much the Food Nazis as the Dems. Not sure what party this is anymmore . . .

PHD
If Huckabee is on board with a nationwide smoking ban, he may as well pack it up and go home. That's just as bad as McCain's Amnesty push. Regardless of one's view of smoking, any law to ban certain legal behavior is a first step to communism.

It's the oldest trick in the book. If a politician talks about a smoking ban, they may appeal to 75% of the people who don't smoke. Screw the civil liberties of the other 25%. Ironically, the 75% will acquiesce their own civil liberties by going along with the farce.

If Huckabee is on-board with such a plan, he's lost all credibility with me.


Medved's great recall
Medved once again displays impressive command of historical detail. However, despite all his knowledge, his conclusions are sophomoric.

Conservative Republicans are dissatisfied because Medved's big five each have deal-killer flaws. We know that if any of the top four get elected we just get more of the same big government that we are suffering with now. And we know that Huckabee cannot be elected because America is not willing to put the power of the Presidency in the hands of someone who thinks Intelligent Design is science.

GOOD NEWS!!!!
...Fred Thompson has just decided to not make a decision at this time and that's final!!!

''Not sure what party this is...''
--
Why, it's the same old Whig Party residue it's always been, favoring:

1) High protective tariffs (to curry favor with big business),

2) "Internal improvements" (to spread the pork vigorously around among the construction companies), and

3) Continued and accelerationg inflation of the currency (to debauch the dollar and create an ever-worsening spiral of economic instability).

See Henry Fonda's congressional campaign stump speech in John Ford's *Young Mr. Lincoln* (1939). It's all there.

--
"The idea that customs barriers are necessary in order to protect weak and incompetent nations against strong ones is probably false. It is disproved by the American experience.... The difference between Massachusetts and Mississippi is at leastas great a that between England and ... Albania, yet Mississippi not only doesn't lose by free trade with Massachusetts; it gains. The divisions between nations are not natural, and the common people seldom of their own motion cherish national animosities. They are promoted by professional politicians, the eternal enemies of peace and security."

..-- H.L. Mencken


Pivotal
We Republicans need a redux of 1994 when we had a philosophy and a mission and got control of the Congress. If a leader shows up on the scene with a "Contract for America" challenge we can do better than 2000 and 2004 nail biters.

Fortunaely for us, the Democratic lead Congress has been a do nothing Congress wasting all their time on the negative. The public wants positive and whoever carries the battle forward for the White House, and the open Congressional seats, better have some popular goals to make another Contract, and assure the electorate we won't go astray twice. We need a cheerleader with vision and willing followers to stay on message.

Those candidates who have shown to be too independent need not apply!!

I'm waiting!!

Doug

The ship of state...
of the USA has been drifting left for 60 years. Do you see the current field of five candidates having the desire to spin the wheel to the right? I don't. I see people that will not rock the boat or make any waves. After all, they have to re-elected in '12 for the sake of the party.

What we really need is a candidate that will steer a course away from the coral shoals the left has headed us for and get us back into the deep dark blue of Constitutional waters.

You have to love a social liberal like..
Medved, I'm not gay....(where have I recently heard that?) The utter contempt that the social liberals have for the social conservatives within the Republican Party is mindboggling. Where, but the Republican Party, can one say that this is the best we have to offer from the RNC and RSCC and note that the current tier is nothing but social liberals. No difference whatsoever than the best the Democrat Party has to offer. If I have to vote for an LGBT Republican for 2008 POTUS, bring forth one that has demonstrable character and ethics. I'm still waiting. I supported F. Thompson until he recanted his position that was initially stated during his interview with Chris Wallace. I could support Romney if it weren't for the fact that he ignored the Massachusetts Constitution by implementing gay marriage based on the erroneous legal advice that he obtained from the ADF. I recognize that the Republican Party cannot win the 2008 election without a split ticket(liberal and conservative), but they have no chance with a ticket consisting of two social liberals.

Whining conservatives
Worst crop of contenders ever? Democrats should be so lucky as to have any of the GOP candidates on their ticket (and some of them would fit right in, too!)

On the right we have a number of men who have a proven ability to lead, make compromises and bang important legislation through government. On the left we have two front-runners who are unelectable - one because she's toxic to half the country, the other because he's black. After 8 years of Bush diviseness we don't need half the country hating President Clinton. And let's be honest, people, is America really ready to elect a black man to president? I think not.

Conservatives are just pissed off because our current president has been an utter failure and the country's haemorraging blood and treasure in a lousy, pointless war - a war that was undertaken on GOP watch and which conservatives only too lately have begun to decry.

This does not change the facts on the ground - that the main GOP candidates (not the village looneys, whom Medved rightly dismisses) are far more appealing and electable than any of the Democrats. This contest is too close to call, people. What's betetr, for the first time in 8 years, if the GOP candidate wins, Democrats won't feel like they're country's being taken over by religious fundamentalists. Now THAT'S progress!

Whining conservatives
Worst crop of contenders ever? Democrats should be so lucky as to have any of the GOP candidates on their ticket (and some of them would fit right in, too!)

On the right we have a number of men who have a proven ability to lead, make compromises and bang important legislation through government. On the left we have two front-runners who are unelectable - one because she's toxic to half the country, the other because he's black. After 8 years of Bush diviseness we don't need half the country hating President Clinton. And let's be honest, people, is America really ready to elect a black man to president? I think not.

Conservatives are just pissed off because our current president has been an utter failure and the country's haemorraging blood and treasure in a lousy, pointless war - a war that was undertaken on GOP watch and which conservatives only too lately have begun to decry.

This does not change the facts on the ground - that the main GOP candidates (not the village looneys, whom Medved rightly dismisses) are far more appealing and electable than any of the Democrats. This contest is too close to call, people. What's betetr, for the first time in 8 years, if the GOP candidate wins, Democrats won't feel like they're country's being taken over by religious fundamentalists. Now THAT'S progress!

Disrespect
What a terribly disrespectful column. To talk about any candidates as "yipping puppies" who take away from the big dawgs is crass and undeserved. It's terrible writing from someone who has obviously been given a platform to expound; as a writer, he should be able to come up with more thoughtful commentary.

Frankly, while I am not carried away by any one candidate, I think that there are several who look extremely qualified (compared to Dems and compared to those who have run in previous elections): Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani, Tancredo and Hunter for example. I would vote for any of these candidates without too much fear for the future.

I think that individuals who say they won't vote for a candidate based on his position on a single and a secondary issue (gay marriage, abortion, guns) are people who will virtually hand off the election to Hillary Clinton.

Why I think it's the best.
I think this is the best field ever because there is not one single Bible-thumping, "Born Again" right wing freak running.

The so called "Values Voters" are SOL this time. Hopefully, they are gone forever and our dear GOP can return to its roots.

Word to that Robert
The fundamentalists are scaring the crap out of the centrists, and squandering the GOP's political capital left and right.

That's why America needs at least 4 parties: one for each combination of social conservatives, social liberals, economic conservatives and economic liberals.

As it is now, social liberals with conservative economic views - like me, and perhaps 20 percent of the electorate according to the liberatarian Cato institute - have no home.

Duncan Hunter
an angry fringe canidate, Micheal are you serious when have you seen Hunter angry and fumeing? I'll agree he doesnt have the national recognition but angry please, that was a cheap shot.
As far as the Rest of the field McCain now there's an angry not just above fringe candidate, Romeny vowed on Fox news that one of his highest aims when in office is to bring health care to all, this was just after the recent Iowa straw poll. Guliani, while his politics reminds me of of George Bush's except for more center left would be better then Hillary. No this isnt the worst group we've seen but it does have its problems.

Medved's unintentional clarification
Medved has unintentionally clarified what the real issues are and that is the willful malfeasance of both of the "establishment" political parties. The fact that the Republican establishment forced "next in line" non-entities like Reagan, Dole, Ford, and the two Bushes down our throats ahead of their meritocratic betters, such as Buchanan and Ron Paul is an indictment of the system rather than any comment on our rich set of choices this time around.

The fact that establishment Democrats would do the same, with Hillary being foisted on us ahead of Nader sends that same message. It's no use being bright and morally incorruptible if the amen corner and Saudi money interests are not on your side.

Nixon, who was the last Republican meritocrat could have survived his Hillary, Johnson, Kennedy moments of corruption had he not been outed as an unsophisticated and closeted anti-Semite. That indeed is the sine qua non sin of any American politician ... apparently greater than the conspicuously WORSE dealings of the two Clinton's, as well as the Kennedy and Johnson machines.

How about all of us come to our senses and elect a 3rd party fusion ticket of Buchanan or Ron Paul and Ralph Nader? What's wrong with a hard right coupled to a hard left coupled to a scintilla of ethics. We could do better than being married to a two party Monte system controlled by elite corporate interests and dirty money.


I suggest everyone do themselves a favor
and REALLY check out the qualifications of Congressman Ron Paul. He is intelligent and honest, and his love for America surpasses that of all the other candidates.

He has written profusely about the issues.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org

You can look up any topic and find out where he stands. He is as refreshing as a glass of sweet tea on a hot summer day.

Robert to me
you contridict yourself if we are in a war we "must win" sounds like there might have been a tiny little bit of merit for going to war in the first place.


I'm not
too worried, if klinton gets the nomination without taking hussein obama. Everyone I've ever talked to sees her as the power-driven, corrupt, two-faced, phony b**** she truly is. Even the hard-core dems I talk to despise her. I think any of the top pubs could beat her due to the "anyone but klinton" factor.

If though, she teams up with hussein, well... I think she is our next President. God help us.

Mr. Medved's The Worst GOP Field
Greetings..Another candidate, but unmentioned by Medved is Newt Gingrich --who's still
UNannounced at this too-early date for sensible
campaigning) And Mr. Gingrich is seemingly the
only one `Doing His Homework', meaning he is
developing a carefully thought-out Program &
Plan to correct our once-great country's VERY
SERIOUS problems. It's being called `The
American Solutions' plan-- I sincerely hope the
readers here will be watching for its initial
public launch on "Solutions Day", Sep. 27th, 2007. And likely followed soon by a nation-wide
Day of Workgroups -- not Cut&Dried polititions -- but rather the ordinary problem-solving US Citizen.

The `American Solutions' will surely appeal
directly much more to Rank & File Citizens, and
NOT be focused on the Power-Broker Elites in EITHER of our Now-Broken Political Parties. Irrepairably broken; And `UNFIXABLE' if we only
try `more-of-the-same, as represented byMedved's candidates. (And obviously there'll be no `Fixing' from ANY Democratic candidate.) --But even THEIR attitudes will hopefully improve (and MUST be improved if our country
can ever recover from our Brokenness) --by considering ... The American Solution, via Newt Gingrich Leadership.
~~ Thank You for Your Consideration -- s/..Earl Bage, Lehigh Acres, FL

There are only 3 Republicans that
could iwn the national election. Tancredo, Hunter, or Paul. The others will never get the conservative vote. Giuliani, Romney, McCain, Huckabee, and Thompson will not defeat Hillary. There is a reason such a large portion of the conservative voting block has left the Republican party. Those independant conservatives will vote 3rd party instead of voting for a liberal. Tell me the difference between a Republican that wants to shred the constitution and a Democrat seeking to do the same thing? The Republican will take longer?

Let Hillary have her 4 years and see what happens when the smoke clears. The blood will run in the streets and it will be on the Democrats hands. The same will happen with Giuliani in the White House as both will pass the same UN garbage to allow UN troops to come and try to confinscate out guns. If you enjoy freedom you only have 3 options Hunter, Tancredo, and Paul.

yapping pups...
There's an old quote that I can't seem to find the exact wording of. Its along the lines of "A yapping puppy is far more useful then a deaf, sleeping guard dog."

You go pianogirl!
I enjoy your absolutely unwavering support for Ron Paul. If character matters Congressman Paul is the obvious choice.

Huckabee LOVES big Govt.
I watched Huckabee on with Chris Matthews yesterday and he was going on and on and on about Federal-level solutions. Federal-level restrictions (nation-wide smoking ban), National Healthcare solutions. What ever happened to personal responsibility and the party of limited government? Why should I bother voting for a Republican, when they are just going to continue to trample over the Constitution?

This is why Ron Paul is growing ever more popular, he would do the utmost to return our govt to a constitutionally run organization. It isn't just rhetoric for him; he has the record to back it up. http://www.ronpaullibrary.org Every time you ignore him or insult him (yipping pup) you just inspire his supporters to canvass even harder. The Goldwater republicans are waking up to his message, coming out of their coma inspired by the Big Government, unconstitutional GOP. The Independents are joining up to vote for Ron Paul. The young and old have been inspired by his truth, getting involved for the first time in their lives.

You have to ask yourself what is going on when the top tier republican candidates are nothing more than Democrats that like to spend money on war.

Newt
I'm another one that would love to see Newt run.......as intelligent as he is, I would love to see a debate between him and Hillary, the best the left has to offer.
And as was said by a poster above, Newt is doing his homework just as he did when the Repubs took over the Congress with him as Speaker. I personally don't care about his wives or the rest of that personal baggage that he has......look at the baggage Hillary has........named Bill.
Yep, I would love to see Newt run.

Medved is so right
It's best for the bottom tier to get out now, and it's nothing but ego and arrogance that keeps them in.

Brownback - fingernails on the chalkboard, Tancredo - semi-nutjob, Paul - true nutjob. Anyone who honestly believes that we are responsible for 9-11 and not Islamofacist terrorists cannot be counted on. P.E.R.I.O.D. Get over it.

Thompson and Gilmore had the good sense to do what is right for the party - and they were more qualified than the bottom three we have now!

Mitt, Rudy and Fred are all capable enough and would be lightyears better than Hillary. And I believe they can all win.


Newt - elitist whose head
is too big to fit into Air Force One.

Newt makes the mistake of thinking that anyone cares whether or not he runs.

GOP
The GOP sucks not only figuratively, but literally, and
officially. That Jeff Gannon still at the White House?
The Group Of Perverts making up the GOP are awesome.

I've found a favorite already...
Finally have a candidate to vote for in the race instead of having to pick 'lesser of two evils' to vote for. I like Ron Paul & have friends that like Tom Tancredo. Having candidates to choose from is better than only having one candidate in the running. Barak Obama sounds like a Muslim name so I doubt if he could get elected. Clinton may be a hard one to beat, though if Republicans pick Romney or Giuliani to run against her!

Newt is like Medved.
Newt like Michael is historically informed. Unfortunately, also like Medved, Mr. Gingrich is all talk. Gingrich had the chance to move America in a positive direction, but completely failed to capitalize on his House majority.

Duncan Hunter
Is hardly a yipping pup, much less an angry fringe candidate. Medved is truly being disingenuous with his analysis of the other GOP candidates like Tancredo and Hunter, who really need to be the front runners in this election! It makes me wonder if Medved is really some liberal hack who plays in the GOP clubhouse.

Hunter and Tancredo really demonstrate true conservatism and deserve to heavily supported in the GOP.

Excuse me...
"...to BE heavily supported in the GOP."

To Early to Call
It is way too early to call a limit to five candidates -- especially the candidates mentioned above. The key to think about here is momentum.

McCain is having serious problems raising funds in his campaign and his support is slipping. He has never been hugely popular across the Republican party, and that does not seem likely to change. While once in second place in the polls, his support has been steadily declining over the past couple months.

Huckabee had a great success in Iowa, but there hasn't been any good news for his campaign since. He did well due to his personality, but as more people learn about his policies, he is rapidly losing his short-term popularity.

Thompson sounded promising when he first mentioned the campaign -- especially with his comments about no "true conservative" candidates. But again, the more people learn about him, the less enthusiastic they become. He does not appear to many would-be supporters to be that knight in shining armor anymore -- and this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with his delayed entry. However, the polls indicate a lot of growth in the polls over the past couple months, so he may yet be a front-runner come January.

Giuliani's numbers in the polls are slowly falling. His troubled personal life and questionable public policies are eroding his support, and while the polls still have him in first, he is not gaining momentum.

Romney is actually showing a rise in popularity, and people seem to be getting more comfortable with having a Mormon candidate. Of the five "leaders", his campaign is the most promising.


Too Early to Call (continued)
(I hate it when I have a typo....)

But what about the rest of the field? Newt Gingrich is just starting to make waves as there is talk of him entering the campaign, and despite past problems, he appears to have a pretty strong following.

Ron Paul has been quietly gathering support on the Internet that is starting to make itself known around the country through an incredibly strong and organized volunteer movement. The polls show his support rising from 1% in May to 3% in July. That may not sound like much, but a recent article (http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-natural-boost.html) indicates that Ron Paul may actually have an
additional 3-5% support that is not indicated in the polls because his supporters use cell phones as their primary phone. Since the Iowa straw poll, Ron Paul has won a string of straw polls all over the country. In other words, momentum is clearly on Ron Paul's side, and he may already be in the middle tier. At 8%, he would surpass Newt Gingrich and Huckabee and be knocking on the door as a serious contender.

A lot can happen in the next four months, but current trends would indicate that our current front runners may not be front runners for long. And those "yipping dogs" may just be preparing to make their move to the front.

Too Early to Call (continued)
(I hate typos... especially in the title)

But what about the rest of the field? Newt Gingrich is just starting to make waves as there is talk of him entering the campaign, and despite past problems, he appears to have a pretty strong following.

Ron Paul has been quietly gathering support on the Internet that is starting to make itself known around the country through an incredibly strong and organized volunteer movement. The polls show his support rising from 1% in May to 3% in July. That may not sound like much, but a recent article (http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-natural-boost.html) indicates that Ron Paul may actually have an additional 3-5% support that is not indicated in the polls because his supporters use cell phones as their primary phone. Since the Iowa straw poll, Ron Paul has won a string of straw polls all over the country. In other words, momentum is clearly on Ron Paul's side, and he may already be in the middle tier. At 8%, he would surpass Newt Gingrich and Huckabee and be knocking on the door as a serious contender.

A lot can happen in the next four months, but current trends would indicate that our current front runners may not be front runners for long. And those "yipping dogs" may just be preparing to make their move to the front.

portaland mom said,
"Paul - true nutjob. Anyone who honestly believes that we are responsible for 9-11 and not Islamofacist terrorists cannot be counted on."

Please tell me one place where Ron Paul said WE are responsible for 9-11? Not where shill-pundits said that he said that. Show me where Ron Paul said that? Sounds like you bought the brainwashing the fake neo-cons have been selling.

What he said is that 9-11 was blowback from interferring in the region. This is true, it is backed up by the CIA and the 9-11 commission report. He did not say it was an inside job --in fact he finds that explanation unplausible. He did not say we deserved it. He did explain that if you want to stop terrorism, you must look and understand the root causes.

Don't buy the lies, the power-brokers in D.C. don't want a Ron Paul presidency; because he represents the people, not the lobbyists.

Sorry about the repeat
I apologize for the repeat. I have been having problems posting this morning.

'plausibly' beating Sen. Hilton
My goodness you praise these candidates -- especially Mayor Guiliani -- with faint praise when you allow, somewhat grudgingly in your conclusion, that any of them 'could plausibly beat Hillary'. Isn't the question, with Guiliani, not whether he beats Hillary or not but whether he runs the table? He surely carries every red state. And among the blue states, he almost certainly carries Connecticut, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania for starters. Californai and Illinois with their huges Italian-American populations will surprise many people. And there are likely to be few close calls in Missouri and Ohio.

The questions here are simply: where is the blue state in which Giuliani is not competitive? Where is the red state in which Hillary IS competitive. I submit that the answer to both questions is 'there are none'. As long as the winner-take-all-statutes for allocating electoral votes stay in place in most states, there can be no realistic contest between Guiliani and Clinton.

Thankfully, I live in the UK, where bets are already being taken on this match-up . . .

'Plausibly' beating Sen.Clinton (rev'd)
My goodness you praise these candidates -- especially Mayor Guiliani -- with faint praise when you allow, somewhat grudgingly in your conclusion, that any of them 'could plausibly beat Hillary'. Isn't the question, with Guiliani, not whether he beats Hillary or not but whether he runs the table? He surely carries every red state. And among the blue states, he almost certainly carries Connecticut, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania for starters. Californai and Illinois with their huges Italian-American populations will surprise many people. And there are likely to be few close calls in Missouri and Ohio.

The questions here are simply: where is the blue state in which Giuliani is not competitive? Where is the red state in which Hillary IS competitive. I submit that the answer to both questions is 'there are none'. As long as the winner-take-all-statutes for allocating electoral votes stay in place in most states, there can be no realistic contest between Guiliani and Clinton.

Thankfully, I live in the UK, where bets are already being taken on this match-up . . .

Best GOP Candidate Ever
Right now we have the best GOP Presidential Candidate in history, and the best Congressman in the history of the United States: Presidential Candidate Ron Paul.

http://www.RonPaul2008.com

Disgust with Medved, not my choices
I have no discomfort at all about my choices in the GOP primary. I am supporting Duncan Hunter. He has everything I was looking for in a presidential candidate. He is a Vietnam veteran, his son Capt. Duncan Duane Hunter served two tours in Iraq with the Marines, he has a lifetime rating of 92% from the American Conservative Union, he opposes amnesty and authored the bill to construct a fence along the entire Mexican border, he supports 2nd Amendment rights (A+ NRA rating), and believes that marriage should be between one man and one woman (he has been married for 33 years).

He has also called for the pardon of former Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and has promised to pardon them immediately when he becomes President.

http://www.gohunter08.com


Ron Paul's snowballs chance.
This post is not a critique of Ron Paul or his policy ideas or his followers. It is merely an observation of reality. Ron Paul has only a slightly better chance of winning the GOP nomination than I do. And I am not running.

Seriously, when people get excited about a 3 percent poll they need to face reality. The origin of most polling data is 3 perent...that means Paul could have as much as a whopping 6 percent, or as little as zero.

What's my point? I suppose I am just trying to tell all of angry Paul supporters, that pointing out the obvious futility of his campaign does not make us "Neocons"...whatever the hell that term means this week.

continued...correction
In my last post I meant to say that the margin for error was 3 percent...

oh brother
The paulettes are spamming again.

Crank paul is a whack-job truther who has about as much chance as I do of being elected CIC.

Everytime a paulette spams a thread, ron crank loses another potential voter. I wish you guys would knock it off.

Republican Field
What also hurts Republicans (and I have voted Republican since 1976)is that Bush comes across as a bungler, nominating people, like Gonzales, Brown, and other cronies to jobs they were not qualified for. Gonzales should have fired Gonzales for making the obvious mistake of not admitting that the DA firings were political (Clinton fired all 98 of them when he came in, which he had the right to do).

Ron Paul is the Best
Michael, Thanks for having Ron Paul on your show recently. The more people hear him and his views, the more support he gets. His support is growing steadily and will continue to grow as more people realize that Ron Paul is the best candidate for President! Ron Paul has plenty of time and is growing quickly from a "yipping pup" (a few months ago) to a "big dog"(start of the primaries) on the supercharged "chow" of the freedom message.

Flailing Economy
Robert, I absolutely agree. This is why I think Ron Paul may actually continue to gain a lot of traction because he is the only candidate who is seriously talking about fixing our economy. This is also what is giving a lot of attention to Newt Gingrich.

Ron Paul's specific position in Iraq is not as important as his general foreign policy (non-intervention) in the long run anyway, and given our economic position, I think non-intervention may be a necessity (regardless of opinion on this policy) because we will be unable to afford anything else.

annthem -- Have you actually researched?
Have you actually researched Ron Paul's policies and ideas? They mirror exactly the conservative, limited government that I was raised believing the Republican party held to. Also, I am not "spamming". I am engaging in political dialog just as I have for the past couple decades -- it is just that I am not supporting the usual suspects that make up our "front runners".

The people who need to wake up are those who do not realize that a revolution is coming. It is my hope and prayer that it can be peacefully done through political means, but there is an anger and despair among today's youth (if you don't see that, then you need to open your eyes). Right now, they see Ron Paul as the kind of leader they have been looking for, and this is driving his campaign. They don't trust the established party leaders because they have been lied to too many times -- after all, George Bush ran on a limited government, non-intervention platform, but his actions didn't line up. The movement has begun and it is definitely gaining steam. You won't see it in the mainstream media, but Ron Paul's volunteer supporters are organized, dedicated, and growing rapidly.

Ron Paul has 20 years of congressional history to back up his words. Can any of the front runners say the same?

I watched
crank paul in the debate. He all but said that 911 was an inside job, that our enemy is not radical islam, but America. That did it for me.

I wouldn't vote for dr crank if you paid me to.

Are y'all kidding?
Due to time constraints I haven't read all of the commentary, but I've read enough to find one recurring theme. "Candidate X will never get the conservative vote."

Ask yourself (search deeply in your sub-conscious). If, say, McCain is the GOP candidate, will you really vote for Hillary? What about Romney? Giuliani? Huckabee? Paul? Gingrich? ... Come on. Get real.

Ron Paul Support
It should also be noted that the Ron Paul movement is bigger now than the candidate Ron Paul. It is a movement toward personal liberty and returning to the law of the constitution. It crosses political boundaries. It is the universal belief that there actually *are* inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Those who continue to attack Ron Paul by calling him names, etc., simply show their ignorance about who he is and what he stands for. I am absolutely convinced that the founding fathers of this nation would whole-heartedly support his nomination because he is the only one who is standing up for the ideals with which they established this nation.

If you doubt me in this, I strongly encourage you to research Ron Paul for yourself. Watch his speeches on YouTube. Read his positions on this website. Research his voting record. Talk to his constituents in his Texas district. If you have done all of this and still do not agree with him, then I am glad you have made an informed decision. However, most of the attacks I have seen are ignorant of the facts of the Ron Paul campaign.

"Great" analysis Michael
This is the strongest field of DEMOCRAT candidates the GOP has ever fielded. Does that help your understand the problem Michael? The new GOP is like having the NAACP run by white people. I can't make it any simpler but you are free to keep trying to pursuade us with your misguided bafflegab.

"Great" analysis Michael
This is the strongest field of DEMOCRAT candidates the GOP has ever fielded. Does that help your understand the problem Michael? The new GOP is like having the NAACP run by white people. I can't make it any simpler but you are free to keep trying to pursuade us with your misguided bafflegab.

Ron Paul and 911
"crank paul in the debate. He all but said that 911 was an inside job, that our enemy is not radical islam, but America. That did it for me."

But that is NOT what he said. Watch it again. He said that our policies overseas have consequences. He is not excusing the 9/11 attack, but to say that our actions in the Middle East had _no_ effect on Al Queda or the hatred directed toward us is simply unrealistic. Whether their reaction is justified or not (hint: it's not), the fact that we had troops in Saudi Arabia gave them a reason to rally an attack on our soil. This is what he is saying.

Over the past several decades, we have dabbled in Middle Eastern politics by putting various dictators in power and then removing them from power a few years later when they prove to be evil men. In the process, we have only made things worse. Remember that Saddam Hussein was put in power by our own foreign policy! We cannot assume that there won't be repercussions for our meddling.

This does not justify the terrorists in any way. There is never a justification for an evil act, but that doesn't mean that you should hand a known murder a loaded gun.

TXGOP nails it
Duncan Hunter shows that he is the true conservative many of you Republicans have been looking for. He is the conservative I've been waiting for...his only problem is his name recognition and notoriety. And by reading what the media does when covering presidential candidates, I think he isn't getting the coverage because the media has decided who THEY want in the race.

Hunter has demonstrated his conservative voting record consistently during his tenure in Congress. He's a military vet, AS WELL AS HIS SON. Find that in ANY of the front-runner's backgrounds! He COULD be the "next Reagan" many are wanting in the election, yet there quite a number of GOPers who have blown this man off.

COMPARED TO WHAT?

.....Compared to Hillary (the Guaranteed Democrat nominee) ...even Foley or Craig would look good ...

.....Hillary in the White House with the power to appoint two or more Supreme Court Justices? ...think about it ...the end of our Republic ...

.....With Hillary as the opposition ...any of the above would be a better option .....COLOSSUS

khomar
Name-calling and attacking strawmen are all those that are against the nomination of Ron Paul can do.

Oh
So he DIDN'T say that 911 was a cover up and he DIDN'T say that there will be a better investigation of 911 now that dems are in charge, eh?

I beg to differ.

Student: "…we’ve heard that you have questioned the government’s official account."

Paul: "Well, I never automatically trust anything the government does when they do an investigation because too often I think there’s an area that the government covered up, whether it’s the Kennedy assassination or whatever."

Student: "So I mean, would you advocate for a new investigation into 9/11?"

Paul: "Yes, I think we have to look at the details of it. Too often investigations on almost any issue is usually a cover-up. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight.

But you know, for top level policy there’s not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn’t going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it.

And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on."

Naw.. He's not a crank. Sheesh!


redhot@ptd.net
The 'BEST' You're safe aren't you. Wait til the next administration takes over. Walking is your best bet, for safety sake.

None of the above.
As the economy becomes the focus of the election we will see the leaders change to the point that there is not a front runner at the time of the conventions. A draft is still in the cards, anybody come to mind? Watch the woodwork for a "savior" to emerge.

Senators have little chance of pulling off the primary because they really do not do anything we can see and if we get into a big credit crunch recession, none of them are going to look very good. I consider them a bunch of clowns just performing their own brand of rehearsed, scripted shtick. Truly a bunch of lightweights right now, yes even Paul and Clinton, from both parties. Be careful if a last minute extremist type emerges to save us all. They could emerge from either party. This would represent the "none of the above" vote and I think that is just what the public wants.

I think this is what Thompson is waiting for but be has been too visible to do that now.




Hearing Ron Paul
I hope the other candidates do not listen to Ron Paul's message, because they will simply forget about it after they are elected.

Newt Gingrich lost me when I saw him bragging about working on a National Healthcare Database with Hillary Clinton.

I don't want a national ID, I don't want National health care. I don't want to carry my papers.

I want freedom, Ron Paul style.

Bob & annthem
It is sad to see how many people here keep falling into the same old trap. Why is it you folks keep believing the old Dem/GOP/MSM lie that only "they" can govern, only "they have wisdom and experience and knowledge?

Do you really think that any of these elites of either party are so damn smart that we the people should simply sit down, vote for the lesser of two evils again, send in our tax dollars, and leave the future of this great nation in their "capable" hands?

What is wrong with you folks? Why do you continue to allow these aristocratic internationalists to ruin our nation by their slow but gradual eroding of the principles of self governing that we were given by the founding fathers: the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people?

Guaranteed, if we elect another of these hypocritical elites to the presidency in 2008, we are going to see more big government, less personal freedom, and greater influence to the internationalists who hate America. You folks had better wake up and do it fast. Mike Bloomberg instituted not only a smoking ban in NYC, but also a ban on fatty acids used by restaurants. What is going on here?

I urge you to get to my website JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG if you want a chance to reverse this growth of power in Washington that is going to finally reduce all of us to humble little sheeple doing the bid of their masters!!

It's getting hard to take much more of the b.s. about how the GOP will save the day! Get over it as they say, and recognize our future does not belong to the elites, it belongs to us if we are willing and unafraid to reclaim it.
If you have a comment about my website, I'm open to ideas, but more of the same elites, Dem or GOP, forget it!! Thanks, Joe

A Crank?
Is that answer really so unreasonable? Is it wrong to want to have a thorough investigation of government policy? Can you honestly say that there are NO cover ups in Washington D.C.? Of course there are, as we have seen since Watergate. We should have a healthy skepticism of our government because we all know what power can do to people.

When asked specifically if he thought that 9/11 was an inside government job, he said "absolutely not" (see the link for the recording).

http://www.911researchers.com/node/904

His issue with 9/11 was how the government handled the situation, and how this event has been used to make the government larger while attacking our personal liberties. His issue is with our flawed foreign policy, and his objections come straight from CIA reports of evidence gathered leading up to the 9/11 attack.

Great Article But Wrong...
on one point. Mike Huckabee is not part of the "Big Five." Seriously, he has done absolutely nothing worthy of such a distinction. I do like Mike but let's be realistic. Other than that, I think your article is dead on. Mitt Romney is the best shot the GOP has at maintaining the presidency.

Joe Oliva
I actually checked out your website, and I find that in many ways, you are in agreement with Ron Paul. Have you researched his campaign at all? He is running as a Republican, but his views are drawing supporters from across party lines. I would suggest you consider joining his campaign instead of trying to run your own in that he already has the grassroots support, organization, and funds (raised through his grassroots efforts) to make a serious run for President.

If he doesn't win the Republican nomination, it would not surprise me if there is a strong move to send him as a third party candidate.

repubs vs the dims
the dims have settled on the missus clinton as president from the days when bubba was president. She has always been in the wings with the idea that it was only a matter of time before she became president. All missus clinton had to do was announce her plans to be candidate clinton and the election was as good as won. The repubs are still sorting out their candidates and we will finally decide very early in 08 who will be carrying the banner for the repubs. But we are looking forward to a very ugly race. The msm and the party will try and overcome all of missus clinton's negatives and repubs have the advantage of taking the high road as the missus clinton will come under a never ending barrage of all the clinton scandals and her role in them. We will repeatedly hear all her mis-statements and all her nutty proposals, but these attacks can come from special interest groups and the only cry from the dims will be howe unfair it is to quote the missus clinton and that somehow her past is no refelction of her belief system and how she will rule the country. Let the fireworks begin and let the country witness this charletan the dims are attempting to foist upon the public

What Medved misses
We want the next Reagan.

And the RNC insists on shoving moderate RINO's at us instead.

Posters (as usual) have it right.

Hunter and Tancredo are the choice of the base, but we can't get the party leadership to let go of their sense of privilege and party ownership.

Even Ron Paul, who wants to cut and run from Iraq and the entire war on terror, is more conservative than the so-called top tier candidates.

The only hope is if we do what we did with immigration reform. WITHHOLD OUR DONATIONS until the party "leaders" (and I use the term loosely) are reminded that they work for us, not the other way around (which is an indispensable principle of conservatism anyway).

"Trophy Wife"
Let's not dignify that slur by repeating it even in fun. It's neither true nor fair.

Joe Oliva, Khomar, asst. paullettes:
It's a free Country. Vote how you want. Gripe about the choice of pubs, but realize that there is not, never has been, and never will be a "perfect" choice for us.

Reagan is dead, and he wasn't perfect either. Perfection does not exist. That is a truth that shouldn't have to be explained to anyone older than age 5.

One more thing, folks... Take your 0-3% and knock yourselves out, but know this...Every one of your votes that is not for the pubs is a vote for klinton. You know it, I know it, and so does she.


A Vision of the Ron Paul Movement
If you are curious as to the pulse of the Ron Paul campaign, I encourage you to view the following video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-DqY8iIxe2c

I believe this is very reflective of the opinion of today's youth and a good representation of why Ron Paul is garnering so much support. Whether or not you agree with him, this may help you understand why so many believe in the Ron Paul Revolution.

Also note that this video was put together by volunteers on their own time with their own equipment and money. The quality of work being done by the Ron Paul volunteers is actually quite amazing.


Michael's Description of Mitt
was right on! "SLICK", though I disagree with most of his other analyis. Just my opinion, but if you want another GWB, then Mitt is your man.

Personally I am ready for a junk-yard dog for president. I am tired of these soft spoken diplomats that think they can win the hearts and minds of the left wing lunatics.

At the moment I am clueless as to whom, of the current crop of candidates, would have the courage to stand up to the dimocrats. Possibly Duncan Hunter? I do believe that if one of them would show a little brass in his shorts, he would soon be the front runner.

As a disgusted conservative, I believe I speak for a lot of like-minded people, we are more than a little weary of being slapped around by a bunch of socialist pigs that think they know what is best for the country. Take your socialist commie crap and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

Don C


All these Pauloids...
It’s disturbing to me to read all this Pauloid yipping, but even more so to see how many of them are succumbing to the black helicopter school of thought.

These head-in-the-sand isolationists are woefully supporting the hard left; blaming the U.S. for the horrors of Islamist barbarians.
When Specsaregood writes that “What he said is that 9-11 was blowback from interfering in the region.” He or she fails to understand that “blowback” connotes that they are reacting to our actions.
If that is the case, why, as so many have noted, are these same outrages occurring in Bali, Thailand, Pakistan, Somalia, Sri Lanka and many other places around the globe that have nothing to do with the U.S., Israel, or anything other than evil Islamists at war with other faiths? Not to mention with each other?


SHAME!!
Duncan Hunter has demonstrated his levelheaded and intelligent demeanor throughout a long and honorable career, as well as in the present campaign. The "Group' may
smell bad. But Duncan Hunter is not of the group. He is the only candidate with a Platform, and has consistently expressed it. The others hijack his issues, and expose their ignorance; for they are do-naughts, thus lacking the understanding to address the issues knowledgeably.

Tonight, a group of protesters will gather at Texas Christian University to harass Duncan Hunter. Will he be angry? If so, how will he handle it? Will he be a 'fringe candidate? Was he on the fringes as a Airborne/Ranger in Vietnam? Has he been on the fringes through 26 years as a member, even Chairman, of the House
Armed Services Committee? Has he been on the fringes of Border Security? No, the man has fought honorably, honestly and well for the good of this Land of Liberty.

I cannot say , about Mr.Medved, what I now state about Mr. Hunter. Hunter is A Straight Shooter. Hunter Walks The Walk.

annthem
Do you think that any entity that investigates itself will fully disclose the errors it finds? No other entity that I can think of has that power. Letting the 2 party system dictate such things only leads to cover ups in the name of bipartisanship.

Congressman Paul does not believe that anybody except Saudi terrorists attacked America. He does believe that the government's report is probably hiding a layer of incompetence.

For that reason he thinks, and he has always thought, that all government investigations should be conducted by somebody other than the government.

The horror.


A "Wasted" Vote
I used to feel like you do... to vote for the third party was to vote for a democrat. I have been a strong Republican voter since before the day I was first able to vote. Quite honestly, I regret my decision to vote for George Bush. To his credit, he has appointed two good supreme court justices, upheld a strong pro-life position, and pushed through tax cuts that helped the economy. However, on practically every other level, he has undermined every conservative platform I believe in. He entered us into an unjustified war in Iraq. He expanded our government through "No Child Left Behind", the PATRIOT Act, and the creation of the Homeland Security department. By pushing through Medicare Prescriptions, he has effectively accelerated our economic collapse.

Looking at the "top tier" candidates, I see very little difference between the Republicans and Democrats. Both are talking about new federal programs and increased spending. Both are talking about expensive policing of the world with our military. NONE of them are addressing the REAL issues of our day -- 1) the huge debt that their children and grandchildren will have to pay off. 2) The illegal immigration problems that pose serious security risks as well as economic instability due to an overburdened welfare system. 3) A government that is actively taking away our liberties in the name of security.

I cannot in good conscience vote for anyone who will not take action against these clear and present dangers.

Mario
Go look up "isolationism" and then explain, considering that Congressman Ron Paul believes in free trade, that you can in good faith use that word to describe his policies.

Here - let me quote Wikipedia:
(quote)
Isolationism is a foreign policy which combines a non-interventionist military policy and a political policy of economic nationalism (protectionism). In other words, it asserts both of the following:

1. Non-interventionism - Political rulers should avoid entangling alliances with other nations and avoid all wars not related to direct territorial self-defense.
2. Protectionism - There should be legal barriers to prevent trade and cultural exchange with people in other states.

Not to be confused with the non-interventionist philosophy.
(end quote)


Don writes:
"Personally I am ready for a junk-yard dog for president. I am tired of these soft spoken diplomats that think they can win the hearts and minds of the left wing lunatics."

Right on. Pubs simply cannot grasp the concept of playing to win. They absolutely refuse to fight fire with fire. It's extremely frustrating, but I do not see an alternative candidate with a snowball's chance.
.

zeb and Duncan Hunter
I will admit that I have not researched Duncan Hunter to level that I should, especially given my attack on those who know little about Ron Paul. While I am a Ron Paul supporter, I _will_ look into Duncan Hunter. I do not wish to be ignorant like those who are trying to silence Ron Paul.

A slight diversion from the topic
A few weeks ago Michael Medved recommended Leon Uris' novel "Exodus". I finished reading it last week and can attest that his praise is justified. The novel is an powerful classic, full of valuable historic reference. Please place this book at the top of your reading list along with Tom Wolfe's "I am Charlotte Simmons" and anything by Ayn Rand.

angelatc writes:
"For that reason he thinks, and he has always thought, that all government investigations should be conducted by somebody other than the government."

Like who? Who else has that kind of stroke? paul wants the dems to do it. That's nucking futs.

Half a Loaf
OK - he's a fifty percenter.

annthem
Please understand what I am trying to do here. I am not trying to spam the Internet with Ron Paul, but I do feel very strongly that he has a good message for America. His support is also starting to grow, and while 3-8% doesn't sound like a lot, it is far greater than the 1% he had back in May showing that he is gaining momentum.

Will it be enough? Only time will tell. But do not dismiss him or his supporters without actually checking the facts. He may very well be the conservative we have been looking for. The fact that he is able to attract supporters from the Democratic party (many people are switching parties just so they can vote for him in the primaries) as well as Libertarians and Constitutionalists shows that he has a universal message that is striking a chord with a lot of people. He might just pull a lot of votes away from Clinton should he become the front runner.

And note, if there is another candidate that has the same strength of convictions and conservative ideas who has a greater support base with a strong chance to win, I will be glad to support him instead (thus my promise to look into Hunter).

But right now Ron Paul has a lot of momentum behind him, and the Internet is continuing to fuel his campaign and spread his message.

A subtle subject
It's not the worst GOP field ever. Rather, it's the worst field of GOP *frontrunners* ever. The second tier has some solidly conservative candidates, but take a look at the first tier:

Giuliani:

Character:
------------
- Hired a pedophile priest for a campaign manager
- Hired a druggie for a campaign manaer
- Skipped the Iraq Study Group meetings
- Said NYC should dump its trash on Virginia
- Twice divorced, once to his second cousin
- Pulls a John Kerry every time the political winds blow

Behaviors:
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- Claims strict constructionists could uphold Roe v. Wade despite it not being in the constitution, and praised Justice Ginsburg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyGfR8z7neg)
- Calls abortion evil, but wants a right to it (see last 20 seconds of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-AlOOcBpcE), and has been helter-skelter, everything from aiming to reduce the number, to demanding federal funding for it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZe1j4csMq8)
- Favored gay marriage, now says he only favors civil unions
- Is wrong on guns, advocating for the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, and numerous other measures, as well as citing the South as being the area on which he desired to inflict the most controls on
- Made NYC a sanctuary city, and prevented city employees from reporting illegal immigrants
- Prevented NYC employees from meeting with the media unless given his approval (can you say borderline fascist?)
- Tacitly supported Obama's idea of invading our ally, Pakistan
- Called for a teacher to be dismissed for inviting students to engage in school prayer, then later advocated on behalf of school prayer
- Has stated that the President can arrest whomever he pleases without habeas corpus, and that he would use said authority “sparingly”

A subtle subject 2
Quotes of Rudy Giuliani's:

"It should be as difficult to get a gun in Florida as it is in New York City."

"...freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

"...we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy [the Empre State Building shooting of 1997] by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts."

"what's important . . . is to have a very intelligent, very honest, very good lawyer on the court. And [John Roberts] fits that category, in the same way Justice Ginsburg fit that category."

"Some of the hardest-working and most productive people in this city [New York] are undocumented aliens. If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you're one of the people who we want in this city. You're somebody that we want to protect, and we want you to get out from under what is often a life of being like a fugitive, which is really unfair."

"My view on abortion is that it’s wrong but that ultimately government should not be enforcing that decision on a woman."

"There must be public funding for abortions for women. We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decision about abortion because she lacks resources."

“Abortion’s wrong. Abortion shouldn’t happen… but ultimately it’s a constitutional right and therefore if it’s a constitutional right ultimately if you do it on a state-by-state basis, you have to make sure that people are protected.”

A warning to conservatives
Ron Paul's popularity is artificially inflated by liberals attempting to encourage a Quixotic third-party campaign. Dr. Paul only polls well against other Republicans. This is because liberals, who would normally vote democrat, support Paul against other Republicans. Polled liberals will naturally support the most prominent anti-war Republican. The goal is to garner a strong enough primary election showing to entice Paul into running as an independent, thereby diverting enough Republican votes to ruin the general election.

I will take Dr. Paul's campaign much more seriously if he vows not to run a third-party candidacy regardless of the primary election outcome.

Mario
Here is the key question: how would we like to be treated? How would we like it if Canada came down and told us how to run our elections? How would we like it if China told us how to fix our economic problems?

The problem I see is that we have grabbed onto this idea that we have to solve all of the world's problems. Worse than that, we are very selective about which of those problems we actually work in. Why haven't we been all up in arms over the atrocities that are happening every day in Africa -- genocide on a scale far worse than Saddam Hussein ever did? Also, when was anyone ever truly convinced to change their mind at the point of a gun? "A mind changed against its will is of the same opinion still."

The best way to spread democracy and liberty is to be a shining light of those virtues to the world. Right now, our own house is a mess with runaway debt and a looming inflation disaster (as the Federal Reserve starts printing more and more money). We need to clean our house and get our country back in order before we can even start thinking about "spreading liberty".

And we certainly need to stop putting our noses where they are not wanted. It does not actually help, and we simply can no longer afford to pay for it.

Mario,
you are right-on and that is the point that most people tend to forget. If the Islamic fanatics are mad at us for meddling, then why are they staging attacks in all of these other countries.

For many, like the left wing loons, it is a convenience to ignore the facts, because the facts complicate their idea of utopia. And of course, lets not forget that the finger must unflinchingly be pointed straight at GWB as the greatest evil in the world!

For the informed, I suppose they sometimes fall prey to the "U.S. is Bad Because We Meddle Mantra", because some smooth talking politician sold them on the possibility, as part of a larger package of ideas that they agree with and desire with all desperation.

And finally, for the ignorant, well I don't think I can expound on that! How do you reach people that believe that Bush lied and 9/11 was an inside job?

Don C

The Rudy McRomney Machine......
These three have made the current field so mediocre by their attracting the spotlight upon themselves while such good candidates as Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul, Fred Thjompson possibly, and Mike Huckabee, that paying attention to any debate just stirs the embers of ignorance and apothy.

I wouldn't vote for the Rudy McRomney machine, even if I was on my deathbed, and the doctor held the cure to my disease, and would give it to me if I would vote for those three RINOS. Screw them, I will sit home, or vote third party.

Just as in 1996, we were forced to accept Bob Dole as the nominee. Never again. Not now, nor in the future.

Without appologies..........

The Rudy McRomney Machine......
These three have made the current field so mediocre by their attracting the spotlight upon themselves while such good candidates as Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul, Fred Thjompson possibly, and Mike Huckabee, that paying attention to any debate just stirs the embers of ignorance and apothy.

I wouldn't vote for the Rudy McRomney machine, even if I was on my deathbed, and the doctor held the cure to my disease, and would give it to me if I would vote for those three RINOS. Screw them, I will sit home, or vote third party.

Just as in 1996, we were forced to accept Bob Dole as the nominee. Never again. Not now, nor in the future.

Without appologies..........

A subtle subject 3
Giuliani Also on Illegals:

- Advocated that illegals be allowed to use public services and their children attend public schools while mayor of NYC
- Favored the Senate's "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" in 2006
- Still opposes deporting illegal immigrants, much as he defended them in NYC
- Opposes creating and maintaining a database on illegal immigrants


Now that that laundry list is over, let's take a look at McCain:

Behavior:

- Has repeatedly pushed for "comprehensive immigration reform," aka scamnesty, in attempting to give away U.S. sovereignty by cooperating and attaching his name to the McCain-Kennedy Bill
- Pushed for "campaign finance reform" in the vein of McCain-Feingold, which grossly restricted political advertisements and was used against pro-life groups in trying to sway the voters of Wisconsin on their opinion. Open dialogue is what we should want, not what we should be trying to shut up.
- Has actively fought for gun-control legislation in order to needlessly limit the people's liberty
- Opposed the Bush tax cuts and refuses to ever pledge that he will not increase taxes; also on the Bush tax cuts he now supports them
- Opposes drilling in ANWR, despite technological improvements making oil drilling now safe and undisruptive to the surrounding ecosystem, and wants the EPA to be a cabinet position
- Voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, thereby aiding homosexual activists in their crusade to utilize the faith-and-full credit clause of the constitution to impose gay marriage on each state

for wiseone
wiseone writes: "Hunter and Tancredo are the choice of the base, but we can't get the party leadership to let go of their sense of privilege and party ownership."

If they are "the choice of the base," then why don't they show up in the opinion polls as having more than a few percent support? All the polls are in virtual agreement that the three top contenders among likely GOP voters are Giuliani, Fred Thompson and Romney. And that correlates well with how much campaign funds these three have accumulated versus the much smaller war chests of Hunter and Paul.

Now you simply cannot accuse ALL the different polls of just being so flat wrong. You keep claiming that Hunter is the choice of the base--where is the groundswell of support for him? Why haven't we seen EVIDENCE of it?

Don
My opinion regarding terrorists (and, I believe, Ron Paul's as well):

We should have gone after Osama bin Laden and killed him in Afghanistan. Instead, we got distracted by nation building and pulled into a war in Iraq. Osama bin Laden remains alive and active to this day.

I think we should live by Teddy Roosevelt's policy: speak softly but carry a big stick. We don't start wars. We don't get involved in nation building.
But when we are attacked by terrorists, we strike back hard and fast with precision strikes to take out the terrorist bases -- not the country that harbors them unless we as a country (through our congress) decide to declare war upon that country. Wars should never be entered lightly, and when we do enter them, we should have clear objectives and go in to win.

Elections as sports entertainment
I disagree with much of Medved's take on all this, but it certainly wouldn't be the first time.

Personally, I don't much see the point in "winning" the election if the man we install in the Oval Office will wind up doing the same things his opponent would be doing had he lost. Elections are not football games. They have real consequences. Simply making sure the person next POTUS has an (R) after his name is not enough. This notion seems to fly right past folks like Medved, and most other supporters of this seasons "top tier" candidates (at least the ones I've spoken to or read).

Vote for whomever you think is the best candidate for the job. Personally though, I reckon the job requirements should include more than just "he can beat Hillary."

Khomar
Well, Khomar... Good luck. I still think that any vote for paul is a vote for the beast, but it's not my business to tell anyone how to spend their vote. I will hold my nose and vote for whatever pub gets the nod(though I would gladly vote for Thompson or Newt), because, as I stated earlier...only a pub has a shot of slowing the socialists.

As a health care professional I fear klinton and hussein. They seek to destroy our healthcare system and decimate the decent wage I finally earn and deserve.

After spending over 80K and 7 years on full-time work and full-time education, buckets of sweat and barrels of tears to get where I am, they want to take my reward in the name of "fairness". To hell with them.

for Khomar
Khomar writes: "I believe this is very reflective of the opinion of today's youth and a good representation of why Ron Paul is garnering so much support."

No, I've read the youthful and left-wing political blogs and I know what they've said about him. There is ONE reason, and one reason alone, why young people like Ron Paul: They think he will end the War on Terror, pull American troops out of Iraq, withdraw America from military bases worldwide and confine America to her own shores. But they don't like that because they want what's best for America. They blame America for being an imperialist colonialist aggressor and want America confined and contained like a rogue state.

The rest of Ron Paul's message of limited government and free markets, they utterly despise and have said so. But they sure love his seeming dovishness and isolationism.

And they are hoping that Ron Paul's call for an investigation into 9-11 will lead to jail terms for Bush and Cheney.


A subtle subject 4
Lastly, take a look at Mitt Romney

Behaviors:
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- Like Giuliani, supported the Brady Bill
- Passed a socialist, corporate welfare sponsorship bill requiring all MA citizens to purchase health insurance, making it illegal not to have health insurance, rather than simply using tax incentives

Quotes:
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On abortion he stated "regardless of one's beliefs about choice, you would hope it would be safe and legal."

He favors "giving all sixth-graders a laptop and paying bonuses to teachers who successfully teach science and math"

"We must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern"


Of these mainstream candidates, Mitt Romney's the best, and he's still not ideal.

What is Medved saying?
So, if I understand this, if we, the people, choose anyone other than Rudy, Mitt, Fred, our vote will be wasted and the DEM's will win? But, if we choose from one of the above, the Dem's still might win? Either way, it virtually a lock that they will retain control of both houses, so I'm having trouble seeing a downside to America's Citizens voting their conscience, rather than voting in an effort to see that "Team GOP" put up another point on an increasingly meaningless (for America's Citizens that is) tote board. Secure our borders, enforce our immigration laws, stabilize our population, and devil take the hindmost!

So Many Mistakes, So Little Time
Khomar – There is so much in your posts I could comment on, but I have to get back to work. Yet I can’t resist pointing out that many of us are up in arms about all the atrocities the MSM, UN, Europe and all the others ignore. Not to mention spineless politicos in our government. Those poll driven panderers who cave to the fringes.
Most of all – doesn’t history convince you that WW II was not only morally necessary and effective – i.e. the former Axis now seems like they are convinced. I don’t know who wrote that little aphorism about “a mind changed…” but either way, I’m still speaking English.
Last point I have time for – while I speak English, it is in a nation that has brought more liberty to more people than any other in history. Though the light may flicker from time to time, it still shines more brightly than any other I can see through the fog spread by brutal dictators, Euro-Socialists, barbarians, and those who pander to them .
Oh, and thank you Don.

PLEASE GET REAL ABOUT RON PAUL
Let's face it - he has no intention of protecting us from terrorists, beyond border control. He ALWAYS votes against defense. He DID imply that 9-11 is our fault. I heard it with my own ears, not from the MSM as someone here suggested.

This is the issue of our day! I can never vote for someone who refuses to believe that we need to be vigilant in the fight against Islamo-terrorists.

He does not have the slightest chance of the nomination, and if by some miracle he did win it, Hillary would wipe the floor with him.

Thank heaven his supporters are few.

portlandmom
C'mon, portlandmom. Who ya gonna believe, your ears...or the paulettes? Haha!

HUNTER FOR AMERICA

Conservatives can nominate a conservative. All it takes is not acting like sheep and getting herded into nominating a northeast liberal. 49% will never vote for Hillary, only 60% voted last time. Turnout was the difference. Give Americans a chance to vote for someone who WILL secure the border and watch turnout soar. Americans want their government to fulfill its most basic responsibility.

The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

http://www.gohunter08.com

HUNTER FOR AMERICA

Conservatives can nominate a conservative. All it takes is not acting like sheep and getting herded into nominating a northeast liberal. 49% will never vote for Hillary, only 60% voted last time. Turnout was the difference. Give Americans a chance to vote for someone who WILL secure the border and watch turnout soar. Americans want their government to fulfill its most basic responsibility.

The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

http://www.gohunter08.com

Mario
There is a key difference between World War II and the Iraq War. Congress actually declared war in World War II. If we were to have gone through the deliberations to do the same with Iraq, we may never have actually gone to war with them.

There is definitely a time and place for war. I am a strong proponent of our military, and I understand that there is a time and place to fight. For example, our attack on Afghanistan was completely justified and right. The Taliban government was clearly harboring Osama bin Laden and aiding his cause. This war was also supported by Ron Paul, by the way.

There is evil in this world that will not listen to anything and must be stopped by violence, but we need to be careful that we are not just out picking fights.

Terrorism needs to be fought, but it might not hurt to re-evaluate how best to fight it.

As to the field of candidates:
I don't think I'm qualified to say whether this is the best or worst bunch the GOP has ever put forth, seeing as how only three presidential elections have occurred in my adult life. But, as to this bunch:

Tancredo- Like his position on the border/immigration, but have heard little else form him on anything else. Certainly a major issue, but not the only one.

Hunter- My favorite so far. Political & fiscal conservative, demonstrably strong on the border, doesn't seem too bogged down in social issues which the feds would do well to stay out of.

Paul- I've read his writings, I've seen his You-Tube speeches/ads, and clicked on nearly every link his fans have posted here. I like some of what I see. The reduction of government size & scope and of social services rings a bell with me. However these are not things he can accomplish with a magic wand. He also seems to put too much stock in the "they'll play nice with us if we play nice with them" school of thought regarding defense and foreign policy (but at no point have I heard him say that we are responsible for the 11th, as some here have suggested).

All in all I'd say he's not nearly the messianic figure his supporters imagine he is, but also not nearly as crazy as so many of his supporters actually are. Seriously, the "Paulettes" may well be Ron Paul's greatest obstacle.

Giulliani/Romney- Typical politicians, trying to be all things to all people and promising goodies. Bush Lite.

McCain- "Conservatives for Hillary" would make more sense.

FD Thompson- Charismatic, excellent speaker, but but has some serious black marks. Strident support for McCain/Feingold was one. Also, while he hints at the border problem, he never seems to really address how he would fix it. CFR membership also not a plus in my book.

Huckabee- Who?

Last Thing
In response to all of the attacks on Ron Paul's "isolationism", consider the following from his website:

"We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution.

Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations.

Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised. Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihads themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price.

At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves. The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe. Many have thanked God for it, in many languages. Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations."

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/war-and-foreign-policy/

zeb hardy
Great post!

An astonishing number of Paul supporters
...right here on TH. Why is that?

Ron Paul is unacceptable because he has an isolationist view of foreign policy, which, however quaint, is simply out of touch with the modern world. Avoiding foreign conflicts may have been wise policy in 1789, but the foreign conflicts can fly here from any point on the globe in fewer than 24 hours, today in 2001.

I'm very, very sympathetic to anybody who knows and takes seriously the philosophy of the men who wrote the founding documents of our country. I'm not so sympathetic to those who view it so inflexibly that they have no sound policy for addressing radical Islam other than "let's try to stay away from them."

Beyond that, of course, Rep Paul actually believes there's a conspiracy to produce a North American Union, which is flat-out lunacy, and also believes everything the Democrats say about the Iraq war (and even the Democrats know they're lying through their teeth -- but Paul actually believes it.)

Summary: Ron Paul is a brain-addled loon who espouses strict adherence to a set of beliefs a lot of us find appealing.

I love The Federalist, and the men who wrote it. I don't trust Ron Paul to defend their point of view.

To Annthem:
Personally, I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul if I were a dead man in Chicago, but I do fail to see how a vote in the Republican primary for any candidate at all is a vote for Hillary. I could see the logic in that if you were referring to voting third party in the generals, or refusing to vote at all (though we might disagree on how devastating these would actually be), but in the primary a Pub will win no matter what, and all those who don't take either of the above courses of action will hold their nose and vote for him. A vote for Paul in the generals with a fresh new (L) behind his name might be a vote for the beast, but not now.

To Annthem:
Personally, I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul if I were a dead man in Chicago, but I do fail to see how a vote in the Republican primary for any candidate at all is a vote for Hillary. I could see the logic in that if you were referring to voting third party in the generals, or refusing to vote at all (though we might disagree on how devastating these would actually be), but in the primary a Pub will win no matter what, and all those who don't take either of the above courses of action will hold their nose and vote for him. A vote for Paul in the generals with a fresh new (L) behind his name might be a vote for the beast, but not now.

Another example
of Michael Medved's shilling for the Republican elitists who tried to give us Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Giuliani is pro-abortion, pro-amnesty/sanctuary city, anti-gun. Now why in the bloody h*^l would I vote for him?


John McCain proved how unworthy he is with his insistance of amnesty for illegal aliens. Romney seems much better than those two, but Medved really ticks me off attacking Tancredo and hunter.
Thes men have more integrity in one fingernail than Michael Medved has in his whole miserable carcass. I just gave this piece of drivel a one. Too bad we can't go into negative numbers.

About Snowballs
For those of you who like to use the phrase "(He) doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell," there are a few things you should know about snowballs.

1. Snowballs are built slowly and quietly; and,
2. Snowballs command great force as they increase in size. Therefore,
3. Small snowballs, quietly grown, have the ability to overtake and demolish anything in their paths.

Thankfully, America is not quite "hell," but it may become hell if the Clinton dynasty comes back into power.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

Join the (peaceful) Revolution!

bigwhiskeysam
No, I don't think I made myself clear. I meant if paul was running in addition to the pubs in the general, or if his supporters voted for him as a write in candidate.

Hunter just needs more media exposure
Someone asked earlier about how it's known that Hunter is the real base's candidate? I think its obvious: he was rated 92% by the ACU, and by looking at his ACTIONS, he defines what many conservatives would want in their President. Fiscal and social conservative principles seem to flow from this guy.

I've said this before; Hunter's main obstacle is media coverage and exposure...he's not getting it. Not many people are aware of his candidacy or his platform, despite the internet. Many media outlets constantly report on the "top tier" candidates. As a result, many conservatives who would go for Hunter tend to concentrate on Romney, Guiliani, etc. Even with Thompson in the picture, my favor for him faded as I've been discovering more facts that show he might be just a typical politician. Hunter appears to be the one candidate that is as close to "perfection" as possible.

"Fringe" candidates?
Did it occur to you, Medved, that any of the other candidates are likely to lose to Hillary because nobody can really tell them apart from the Demos? Does the term "election 2006" mean anything to you, RINO shill?

Thank you, Boban...
...for illustrating why Ron Paul is so dangerous.

Not that a post from one Boban necessarily paints any candidate with the same brush, but a surprising number of Paul's supports have the same sound.

At least you spelled "clique" correctly. Unfortunately, it's downhill from there.

- "neokahns", if I'm reading your intent properly, should be "neokhans."
- "endless wars" is a pejorative lie, and a favorite claim of leftist moonbats;
- "for the benefit of Israel" is from an antisemitic quack, and is false;
- "police state here at home" is a threat from Hillary, but not from the current administration;
- "divine right" hasn't been heard anyplace serious since the early 19th century (as "Manifest Destiny");
- "enforcing democracy" is not what we're doing anywhere I can see, but I'll let you know if I do see it;
- "retaliation" doesn't describe any Islamic radical violence I know of.

That's not an exhaustive list of your errors, and I'm already more than twice the length of your brief diatribe. So I'll just say that I think Ron Paul attracts your type, and that's an outstanding reason to avoid him in my book.



Annthem:
Understood. Makes sense.

some valid points
We put all presidential contenders under a microscope, and it does indeed get a bit confusing when you start out with 10 or more candidates. The MM like to tag a candidate with a label, especially a Republican; they are much more tolerant of perceived flaws in Shrillary becuase they want her to win. Accordingly, Mitt is a flip-flopper, but Shrillary has "nuanced, evolving positions" about Iraq. Looking back on it, however, it should have sent a message that Presidente Jorge Bush seemed like a boob in debates-- he was!

The higher up any leader rises, the more important his/her communication skills become. Huckleberry has improved his stature by having that ability and a sense of humor-- just as Reagan and JFK did. Such skills DO matter. Bush Lite tried to start us toward partial privatization of S.S., a worthy goal; federal civil service workers ALL have this option-- but Jorge was such a fumbler that the topic died. All of these debates have limitations, but they do give us a chance to see them respond to direct questions-- they cannot always "take it under advisement" in the Oval Office-- the buck often does stop there.

Christopher
"The so called "Values Voters" are SOL this time. Hopefully, they are gone forever and our dear GOP can return to its roots."

If the Christian right ever abandons your "dear GOP" you might as well kiss it goodbye. It wasn't until Christians started registering voters for the GOP in their churches that Republicans stood a chance. The first time that happened was the first time Reagan ran for president. Without the Christian right, the GOP's best president ever would never have been elected.

Is that really what you want to return to?

How can Paul be the choice for Cons
when he is a LIBERTARIAN through and through?

Pianogirl - you seriously need to pull your head out of the snow.

Medved
is part of the problem, being among the media elite. He's not a conservative, that's why he tries to shove these clowns running as Republicans down our throats.

Take it and shut up, he is saying to real conservatives who see the field for what it is, a bunch of globalist liberal-lites who don't give a good GD about conservatism.

Don't buy into the media elites' BS, people. Take your party back for true conservatism. If you don't, and you nominate Rudy or Mitt or Fred, as Medved is telling you to, you'll doom the GOP to being liberal forever more, due to changing demographics in this country.

Again, don't let Medved, a longtime member of the media elite, try to tell you to shut up and accept a liberal globalist as a candidate for our side. Take your party back from folks like Medved and the current GOP crop of liberals pretending to be conservatives.

portlandmom
Ron Paul is NOT LIBERTARIAN through and through. I would ask you for a citation, but this is so obvious that I won't trouble you.

Ron Paul has been a Republican for 20 years. And although he has garnered the support of the Libertarian party for this presidential run, he parts with them in two IMPORTANT issues: abortion and open borders.

Ron Paul, as an ob/gyn, is personally pro-life, but will leave the issue up to the states, per the 10th amendment. As for open borders, Ron Paul is against illegal immigration and has brought up legislation to amend the constitution insofar as no longer allowing babies born to illegals to become citizens.

Do your homework before making such silly statements next time. Thanks.

Komar & Annthem
I guess you missed my main point, especially if you actually read what I published on my website.

The truth of the matter is not who can win, but that at some point in time we must address the hold on power that the two parties have created for themselves. Nothing will be any different (Einstein) if we do the same thing over and over, voting for the lesser of two evils. I in good conscience cannot back down from that principle. Ron Paul, if he manages to get the nomination, will be beholden to the party, the PACs, and the lobbyists who put him in power, he cannot escape their clutches.

The only way to return the control of our country to "we the people" is to NOT ELECT ANOTHER ELITE FROM EITHER PARTY TO THE PRESIDENCY! That and only that action can or will restore the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people as the principles by which we govern ourselves as a free people. For that very reason, I cannot support any Dem/GOP candidate and anyone who does is the one who is wasting their vote by allowing the two parties to keep their hold on power and in the end, become as invulnerable as they already believe they are.

Rather than a revolution of guns which some here have been quietly hinting at, better a revolution at the ballot box where we reclaim the birthright the elites have stolen from us. That is why you must resist the Dem/GOP/MSM propaganda and lies about who is qualified to govern. Elect another of these hypocrites in 2008 and by Jan. of 2009, you will be crying that once again we were betrayed when the truth is once again we voted for the lesser of two evils, and guess what we will have gotten!! Thanks, Joe

Annthem
"For that reason he thinks, and he has always thought, that all government investigations should be conducted by somebody other than the government."

"Like who? Who else has that kind of stroke? paul wants the dems to do it. That's nucking futs."


He never said he wanted the Dems to do it, and in case you haven't noticed - the Dems are actually a part of the government.

He's absoutely right - the government should not be allowed to investigate itself.

Current Crop
tanabear writes: 12:59 AM
""The current crop of GOP candidates is the worse this century, except for all the others. It is better in the sense that Jorge Bush cannot be on the ticket. This is a welcome relief from the man who would be dictator.""
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I have to repeat the above post as being very descriptive.

Now I don't normally have too much sympathy for Michael M., but I believe that he has written fairly. I am impressed with his studied logic, and what appears to be good rationale. By the time a decision is made we should have a stronger candidate than the dims. I may not be that happy with who they choose, but so what.


Portland Mom
Here is the sum of where Ron Paul stands on defense:

* Fight only wars properly declared by Congress, or to fend off actual invasions, and then fight to win - not to impose 'democracy' by force on other countries;

* Use our military to protect American citizens and borders foremost, not those of other countries - or to enforce UN resolutions.

* No unnecessary closures of US military bases at home, and stop weakening our defenses by maintaining US troops in over 130 countries around the world.

* No pre-emptive military strikes without prior open hostilities against the US.

He consistently votes that way, too. Our country would be much safer if we had more troops at home than we do over seas. Our children should not be policing the world, and other countries have a right to their sovereignty.

"By stationing US military troops around the world, past administrations have diluted our ability to actually defend our country while furthering only the foreign interests of our biggest corporations. At the same time, past administrations have left our borders completely unprotected. That must stop!" - Ron Paul, 2007


The field
I am so sick and tired of the conserv-Libert.-Gop purists who would cut off their noses just to prove that they are the REAL CONSERVATIVES. Having voted since 1960, one realizes that all the pols have feet of clay. All of them. The GOP field is not bad when compared to the ALTERNATIVE. Someone is going to be elected purists. It will not be Paul or Tancredo or even the very good Hunter. It will be either of the top 4 excluding McCain. Now if you want Hil or Obama or Richardson. Say so. But, please don't get on the policy, moral, purist high horse that only you will choose the real real real conservative. I was working for Nixon, AuH20 and every GOP candidate till now and still do . I know that any, any , any Democrat is worse for the nation than any of our guys. Period. So when you punish the GOP because of Craig, as you did Foley, you get a real socialist pacifist Dem in Hil. Fine but it will be your fault, stay at home purists. Not the GOP. Not Rudy or Fred or Mike or Mitt. It will be yours alone. I will support either of those 4 people. Period, because I know that Hil and the leftist Dems will kill this nation not just disappoint the Gop conserv libert. purists!!!!

Joe Oliva writes:
'Rather than a revolution of guns which some here have been quietly hinting at, better a revolution at the ballot box where we reclaim the birthright the elites have stolen from us.'

We agree totally on this. Now the question is how do we engage MR. and MRS. COMFORTABLE to get off their a** and do the right thing?

Third Party Here
If the nominee is anybody besides Hunter, Tancredo, or Paul.

Democrat bench worse
Osama bin Laden doesn't want Guiliani the most of all possibilities, which is why Guiliani will get my vote. Most of the Republicans are upset about the candidates because they aren't conservative enough, but that will disappear if either Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama get the Democrat nomination.

I think the Democrat candidate line-up is worse than the Republican. At least most of the Republicans realize that we are facing a very real terrorist threat, while most of the Democrats want to shove it down the road, just like Bill Clinton did.

Sham
Anyone who has been a member of Congress for twenty years, but who refers to "the Government," as some entity of which he is not a part, is a fraud.

Circus Act
All the candidates are the same -- Warmongering, Neo-con, Clones, in bed with Israel, wanting to nuke Iran and start WW3 -- except Kucinich, Gravel and RON PAUL.

angelatc writes:
"He never said he wanted the Dems to do it, and in case you haven't noticed - the Dems are actually a part of the government."

Uh, yes he did, and in case you haven't noticed - I quoted him at 11:42...

Student: "So I mean, would you advocate for a new investigation into 9/11?"

Paul: "Yes, I think we have to look at the details of it. Too often investigations on almost any issue is usually a cover-up. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight."

Was he referring to some other Democrats now in charge of oversight that are not part of the government? Do tell!




Medved...


What I find amusing is Medved, who believes BigFoot exist continually derides Ron Paul as a nut-job. What is more credible, a literate man who believes in a Constitution created by some of the most brilliant minds of any time, or a ex-hippie flower child type who masquerades as a conservative who happens to believe in the existence of a 10 foot furry ape?

Creation of another party
People here have talked about a revolution at the box...well, why not do that with the creation of another party: calling it the Conservative Party. Have Tancredo, Paul, and Hunter run under it. This would place the GOP top tier candidates into a difficult dilemma of further alienating their base or taking the Conservative Party candidates on head-to-head with every issue in the main Presidential debate. You see, then the GOP will actually realize how they'll need the base which some people (even Medved, apparently) loathe.

Creation of another party, a true conservative party, calls the GOP to task in determining what their values really are. Sure, it would hurt Repubs, for certain, but it would be a necessary injury to hold these politicians accountable.

Worst or Best
What those are our only two choices?

I guess if we look back only two weeks we can maybe say these are the best GOP candidates I've seen. Ever. In two weeks. Maybe.

Or we could take a look back through recent history, say going back around the Bronze Age or the First Freakin' Ming Dinesty and we could say, "You gotta be kiddin' me, this is it?". Maybe there was a worse crop, but I can't remember them, then again I can only remeber back to Ike so maybe...

The only thing seperating this crowd from the Three Stooges is there's five of them and only three stooges. Well at least all at once there's only three.

If somebody doesn't step up to the plate it's going to be a coin toose between Queen Hillary and Obama to see which one gets the Oval Office and which one gets that tie breaker vote.

Can I spael or what?
"toose", now that has got to be a word somewhere but I think "toss" wood have been more better.

Who
Who is Ron Paul? Tancredo? Hunter? Who, Ah, that's the rub.

John McCain self-destructed. Back-stabber deluxe.

Two of the top three Republicans were Chief Executives, and the DEMS are stuck with two untested Senators in the lead. One a hostess at the WH with connections to God knows bad contributors, and the other is running for head of the Student body with absolutely ZIP experience. He should go back to his home state and run for governor and come back in 8 years when he's out of short pants.

If Newt gets in the race at least he was the leader of his party in the House and responsible for the take-over of the Congress. An executive with ideas...and ideals.

Thompson isn't Reagan from the entertainment industry. Reagan was a two term governor of the biggest state. Not convinced about his depth or energy.

Gov. Huckabee... doubt it. Reminds me of the President on "24" [looks only]. Who knows, Clinton came from obscurity. HIA

Since the country is getting over divorces...I mean there are a lot of divorces out there in the 'real world', and kids who have a mind of trheir own. I think Guiliiani will be tough to beat. He whipped NYC's crime to one of the safest of the large cities in the USA and he hung in there with the 911 catastrophe. Not everyone loved him, but he kept getting re-elected in a DEM town and State.

Doug


Vote Republican
While I have my reservations with all the Republican candidates there is no way I want to see Senator Clinton get elected. I implore all my fellow conservatives and Republicans to get with the program and work for the Republican party and hold your nose if you need to. While it is still too early to call I believe Mitt Romney will be the nominee. I can live with him. Please don't waste your vote on third party or independent candidates. Otherwise we will get at least four more years of Slick Willie and his partner. God help us.

for Boban
Boban writes: "A gang of people who...have infiltrated and taken over the conservative movement and...turned it into another tool by a certain minority to get its way in the middle east...and using OUR military to accomplish its ALIEN purposes."

In other words,
you Paul fans think that the Iraq War is a Jewish-inspired war for Israel, right?

Why don't you just admit it publicly: You blame Jewish supporters of Israel for "pushing" America into a war to save the Jews.

That is, incidentally, EXACTLY the same line that far-right-wing isolationist Republicans said in the 1930s about President FDR's attempts to rearm against the rising threat of Nazism--he was doing it as a payoff to the New York Jews and promising to save the Jews by getting American troops killed. There were even antiwar demonstrations with signs reading "This is a JEW WAR."

That's another reason I don't like Ron Paul--I remember what happened the last time America listened to that "Jew war" crap.

Leroy
That shoulda been Lord Obama.

We certainly need to see a true Conservative step up to the plate. What we have now has me worried big time. Rudy for sure doesn't cut it and Fred has bungled and stumbled around much too long I'm afraid. Maybe it is time to create the Conservative Party.

Speaking of Buchanan
...everybody knows Buchanan lost because of "Vote Fraud" -- it was a "Stolen Election".

We're all wasting our breath until we can have a Fair Election, counting the paper ballots in the open, rather than the secrecy, easily hacked e-voting we have now.

What should Conser do if rudy wins prima
Some will vote him. Others say it makes no difference if he or hillary wins; in fact, better if hillary wins because then country will go to pot and from the ashes will arise someone like Ron Paul.

Will it go to pot? Under Bill Clinton some good things happenned; the economy did not sink; in fact did well; welfare reform got thru. His biggest failure was dealing with terrorist threat that was brewing. I did not vote for Clinton. But, I dont take the gospel of John seriously that all hel*l will break lose.
One thing for sure if dems win, there will be more not well thought out entitlement programs; and i have yet to hear one being repealed(remember reagen: get rid of dept of Ed)
People here who think they will better if Dems win in the hope of some catastrophe during her rule that will bring the 2nd coming are good imaginations. There will be a price to pay if she wins but it wont be a catastrophe for the 2nd coming.

stevel l

Zelikow, himself Jewish, a Bush Administration
advisor admits Iraq War fought to protect Israel!

http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23083

I guess the America First isolationists infiltrated the Bushies-well, maybe not since
Zelikow seems to approve of shedding US blood for Zionist oppression of the natives.

for sugarfoot
sugarfoot writes: "Zelikow, himself Jewish, a Bush Administration
advisor admits Iraq War fought to protect Israel!"

You didn't vet your sources very well.

After that article was published, Zelikow himself disclaimed it as NOT representative of official Bush Administration policy:

"Zelikow has called attention to various fallacies in this argument. In addition to observing that any use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East would threaten U.S. and world interests, he noted that, though he publicly worried about the Iraq danger in 2002, he did not take sides in the debate at the time between whether to deal with this problem with war or with further inspections and other diplomatic measures. Nor did he think his views amounted to evidence one way or the other about the Bush administration's motives, since he had not participated in or been privy to the administration's deliberations on this problem."

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n10/letters.html

Next time, check your facts before publishing fallacies.


sugarfoot writes:
"Zelikow seems to approve of shedding US blood for Zionist oppression of the natives"

Haha! Yep! Big Bad Israel! A tiny speck of land, alone, completely surrounded on every side by much larger nations who's law demands the death, destruction and enslavement of Jews are guilty of oppressing their peaceful neighbors.

Israel is so oppressive that they had to build a wall around their country to stop their peaceful neighbors from blowing up bloodthirsty Jewish citizens. Of course the peaceful neighbors of Israel still lob a few hundred rockets a week over the wall, but thats OK. It's for the peace.

Hahah! That's hilarious! You anti-semites are funny as hell!

Ron Paul's snowball's chance
Those using the phrase "a snowball's chance in hell" should consider reading the description of the ninth layer of hell in Dante's Inferno.

inklin_revival
"That's not an exhaustive list of your errors, and I'm already more than twice the length of your brief diatribe. So I'll just say that I think Ron Paul attracts your type, and that's an outstanding reason to avoid him in my book."

Death by association? The KKK votes majority republican. Last election the Communists and Nazis voted majority democrat.

for GeorgeWBush
GeorgeWBush writes: "You Rockefellers want to control the oil supply but you also want to stay in denial as to what it takes to do that."

Ah, so you're the OTHER half of the Ron Paul supporters.

Half of you claim the Iraq War is "really" a war for Israel.

The other half of you claim the Iraq War is "really" a war for oil.

Guess what, I'm one of the VERY FEW here who actually listened to what the neo-conservatives were saying even BEFORE Bush became President. I know what they believed about Iraq. It had NOTHING to do with either oil or Israel.

The neo-conservatives had a theory about terrorism--that it emanated from a dysfunctional Middle East. In that they were 100% right. But they thought that much of it specifically came from plots orchestrated by Saddam, and that they got wrong.

You keep looking for some deep dark conspiratorial nefarious "reason" for the Iraq War. The real reason is prosaic: The neo-conservatives truly wanted what was best for America. They had a theory as to how to do that. The theory turned out to be wrong, that's all. THEY MADE AN HONEST MISTAKE.

Of course they sympathize with Israel's fight against Islamist terrorism--the same murderers that target Israel targeted America. Remember Leon Klinghoffer? Remember the 241 Marines killed in Lebanon during Reagan's term? America and Israel are BOTH on the front lines against this plague of Islamist terrorism. But America isn't fighting terrorism to bail out Israel--America is fighting terrorism because America is next in line after Israel to be targeted.

Blech!
How I wish that there were better candidates on both sides. Unfortunatly I don't believe anyone with any kind of integrity would want to go throught the hell of a campaign.
Also....Christofer says:
"The so called "Values Voters" are SOL this time. Hopefully, they are gone forever and our dear GOP can return to its roots."

If that is true say hello to president Hillary.

Geeorge W Bush rants
Milton Friedman a much more serious libertarian than you are but his head is not full of ranting. He voted for repub admin and had influence on them;
egs the elimination of the draft under nixon, clearly nixon not a libertarian.
And his inlfuence on taxes and the Fed


So you have to get real. Only maniacs expect to find heaven in the political process. So you do the best you can or the least worse.

for Boban
Boban writes: "Forget that people who are closer to the lower east side of New York than to Palestine invaded other peoples land, then terrorized them off of their ancestral lands"

Thank you.

You're making it clear what the Ron Paul candidacy believes about Israel: It's an aggressor nation that oppresses the "ancestral" Palestinians and should be thrown under the bus as the way to peace in the Middle East.

I'm not even going to bother to refute this drivel. It would take a complete history of the Middle East going back to the Bronze Age to establish original property rights there.

But it does show exactly how way out in far right field the Ron Paul wackos are. Their foreign policy is remarkably close to the America Firsters of the 1930s and remarkably close to what far-leftists like Noam Chomsky believe too.

That's two strikes against them.
The flirting with the 9-11 conspiracy theorists (like we need yet another investigation into how those Twin Towers collapsed) is Strike Three.

You're out.
Get out.
Go back to the lunatic fringe where you belong.

Boban writes:
"Another "Fox News" watcher, I see."

Nope. Just looking at a map of the world, and showing amusement at how you haters blame that tiny speck of land for the barbarity of islam.

len
During the Clinton era the Neoconservatives supported Kosovo and to this day they scoff at people who advocate small government. Look at the current GOP, is it not exactly that. They ran on our principles and stole the party. They took alot of ignorant people who can look at reality and compare where they stood in 1994 to their positions today. They are the enemy. At least with Democrats the knife is going in my stomach.

John Galt Said it ALL!
By way of his self, our beloved fraternal republic and Judeo-Christian/Western/Human Civilization suicidal stand on amnesty, support of the criminal alien invasion, implicit contempt for Rule of Law and adoption of (or was/is it "reversion to?") the Left's perjoratives in his attacks upon those Republicans with whose opinions and stands he takes issue, Mr Medved several months ago jumped the political shark -- earned his ticket back to Hollywood -- and lost me too.

SteveL
Half of you claim the Iraq War is "really" a war for Israel.

The other half of you claim the Iraq War is "really" a war for oil.
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That is because they both are reasons. The Neoconservative Intellectual side is very much doing this because of Israel, they have been investigated for spying for Israel from time to time as well. They admittedly want to destabalize the who region and have a "war of civilizations that everyone hoped to avoid" to quote Kristol and Kagan. Then you got people like Cheney, Bush who is basically a Saudi Prince, Condi has an oil tanker named after her, etc. So yes there is definitely multiple interests, but yes this is definitely some conspiracy or something like you say. Some people say that we aren't flooding the market with oil, I personally think that they don't care what you pay at the pump. Look at all the industries they were involved with prior to Bush's election. Then look at their stock prices and profits. These bums come from industries that get paid to break, build, and drill countries after they bomb them to dust. But I guess that is just a coincidence.

Hey SteveL, since you are so well versed on the Neocons, did you ever read "Persecution and the Art of Writing"? That is an excellent starting point.

Pointless discussion...
Because I think it's highly improbable that a Republican will be president in 2009. I'm sympathetic to Ron Paul, but even if elected he wouldn't be successful. His own party would be against him. Only a George Bush type is going to get nominated, and who among the electorate wants that again? Republicans are toast next year.

SteveL
Sorry I couldn't let you get away with that last line or two. How are we fighting terrorism, our border is wide open? We are just increasing their numbers and giving them a red carpet into the country. Every day of occupation creates more terrorists than you can kill, our own government admits that.

len
Yeah len I get what you are saying. I am usually more tempered but a couple of posts got my blood pressure up today. When I see a sea of ignorance I have to take a few swipes, especially considering just how much Republicans have changed since 1994. It is one thing to have bad politicians, but these people have bought the party line hook, line, and sinker.

SteveL
Your post is utterly preposterous. Just because some of his supporters are against Israel does not mean that Ron Paul himself is. His position is that we should not be involved in problems that are not our own. Israel is capable on handling its own affairs, and in many ways, our involvement is holding them back. Nowhere have I seen him accuse Israel of being "an aggressor".

Here is what he actually said in response to the Middle East:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tOQnbZSS7hw

As you can see, he does not "hate" Israel as many are claiming.

Holding Ron Paul responsible for those who choose to support him is ridiculous. You would probably be very frightened to discover who all supports your other favorite candidates (listen to late night conservative talk radio to get a hint). That is the biggest problem with grassroots campaigns -- sometimes people speak up for the candidate that they would rather didn't. Remember, almost certainly all of the Ron Paul supporters you have heard from are volunteers who are not officially a part of the Ron Paul campaign. They do not speak for him, but they are trying to spread awareness about him.

Don't judge the man on his supporters. Judge him on his actual ideas and plans -- and his commitment to see them through.

Geo Bush
your problem that causes so much emotion is that you dont have enough people who think and vote and who are active like you do. Democracy is messy and most americans are somewhere in the middle.

So, either you form a 3rd party with the hope in the next 20 years it might have some effect; or you vote the best of the worst. You cant have it all and the answer is no