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Wednesday, June 13, 2007
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why TV Addiction Links to Liberalism
by Michael Medved
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Does heavy TV viewing push people toward more liberal opinions? Or is it the impact of pre-existing leftist attitudes that lead viewers to invest more of their lives on television?

Analysts may argue about causation, but there’s no real doubt about correlation: an important new study from the Culture and Media Institute shows that those who describe themselves as “heavy” TV viewers embrace distinctly liberal attitudes on a range of crucial issues, placing them well to the left of those who report “light” TV viewing.

The study, conducted by the respected polling firm Fabrizio, McLaughlin & Associates in December, 2006, drew responses from more than 2000 Americans aged 18 and above. This investigation classified “heavy” TV viewers as those who devoted four hours (or more) per evening to watching the tube – and found 25% of the public fit that description. “Light” TV viewers (22.5% of the sample) were those who watched one hour per night or less. In other words, the self-described “heavy” viewers consumed, on average, more than four times the amount of nightly television as the self-consciously “light” viewers.

These starkly contrasting TV habits linked directly to dramatic differences in the two groups in terms of both attitudes and actions.

For instance, heavy TV viewers proved far more likely to agree with the statement “the government needs to get bigger” than were light viewers (26% to 12%). They were also more likely to endorse the idea that “government should be responsible for providing retirement benefits for everyone” (64% to 43%), much more likely to declare themselves “pro choice” on abortion (57% to 43%), more likely to back “a government run health system” (63% to 43%), and much less likely to attend church “at least weekly” (28% to 47%).

In fact, a range of significant real world behaviors connect in striking manner to the amount of television we consume. For instance, among those who commit four hours a night (or more) to the idiot box, a stunning 56% say they never volunteer time to “causes and charities”; only 27% of light viewers (one hour a night or less) make the same statement. When it comes to writing checks, there’s a similar disparity: 24% of heavy viewers give no charity at all, but only 11% of light TV viewers shun their charitable responsibilities.

Brian Fitzpatrick of the Culture and Media Institute, who helped direct the study and reported on its findings, made no formal attempt to explain the association between liberal attitudes and deep immersion in televised entertainment and information. At the study’s Washington, D.C. unveiling on June 6th, however, I delivered the keynote address and offered three possible explanations for the connection between leftist perspective and TV addiction (anyone who watches more than four hours every night almost certainly deserves the designation “addict”).

First, and most obviously, the heavy television watcher gives so much attention to the tube (a minimum of 28 hours per week, remember) that hell find scant time to spare for real-world relationships. Any individual who commits the bulk of his waking, non-working hours to his TV set will find it difficult to take part in the “little platoons of society” (family and neighborhood associations) that Edmund Burke cites as essential to liberty and conservatism.

A heavy TV viewer inevitably short-changes his communal and intimate relationships in favor of his engagement with the phantom characters on the tube. On the one hand, lonely people with few meaningful personal relationships will turn to the TV set to fill the empty spaces in their lives; on the other hand, TV addicts will end up harming the meaningful friendship and family connections that make life worth living.

Either way, the isolation associated with hours and hours in front of the tube leads to liberal values and viewpoints. In every election, single people prove vastly more likely to vote for Democrats than do married people: Republican Presidential candidates have won majorities of married voters even in elections where Democrats proved victorious overall (as with Bob Dole’s ill-starred race in 1996).

People who see themselves as alone in the world, with no network of spouses or fellow congregants, frequently turn to government as a source of support and comfort—just as they’d turn to television as a source of phony companionship. It makes sense that loneliness and helplessness and disconnection would breed both liberalism and heavy TV viewing; just as a vibrant family life, and communal participation, would produce less television and more conservative self-reliance.

Television news and televised entertainment both contribute to a sense that we live in a dark, dysfunctional, alarming world – and that perception reinforces the core concepts of liberalism. The left depends on a gloomy vision of the present and future – how else could its adherents demand sweeping, ambitious government initiatives to redistribute wealth, stop global warming, rescue the poor, repeal racism and homophobia, restructure health care, and so forth?.

By the same token, television demands constant reminders of bad news and conflict. News broadcasts (“If it bleeds, it leads”) rely on violence, crime, natural disasters, scary prospects, horrifying epidemics, economic setbacks, and ecological terrors. Reassuring realities – about the steady progress for rich and poor alike, in every corner of the globe – never make it to TV reports, nor do wholesome, ordinary, functional families command much attention in media entertainments.

The great TV critic Leo Tolstoy began “Anna Karenina” with the wise, unforgettable declaration: “All happy families are the same, but unhappy families are different in dramatic and compelling ways.” In other words, novels and sitcoms, movies and reality shows, seldom focus on normal, productive, stable, loving family units where the members obey the law, love their country and pay their taxes. Instead, the 28 hours a week (minimum) viewed by heavy TV watchers amounts to 28 hours a week of weirdness.

Wholesome stories (in the dated style of “Leave it Beaver” or “Father Knows Best”) have gone out of fashion not because they don’t exist anymore (most of us actually live such stories) but because the desperate competition for viewer attention (among literally hundreds of cable channels, video games, DVD’s, and networks) promotes a bias for the bizarre. This in turn connects to a sense that the world’s gone mad, and requires some sort of radical (usually leftist governmental initiative to avert looming apocalypse.

In this sense, it’s perhaps unsurprising that the only major issue in which heavy TV watchers take a more conservative viewpoint than light-viewing counterparts is immigration. Fully 66% of heavy TV viewers agree with the statement that America “should cut back or stop all immigration from other countries”; among light viewers, only 50% concur. Given the hysterical nature of much televised coverage of the suddenly diagnosed “immigration crisis”(anyone seen Lou Dobbs lately?), it should come as no shock that those who rely most heavily on television for their notions of reality would be the same folks who feel most prepared to demand radical measures on this issue.

By its very nature, TV (like all other visual media) relies on image rather than ideas, superficiality rather than substance. Television connects and communicates by stirring the emotions, not by offering profound thoughts or probing analysis. Immediacy represents the medium’s principal virtue: TV broadcasts can put you “right there,” experiencing dramatic events in the very moments that they unfold, but they never do well at giving a sense of context or continuity.

With Hurricane Katrina, for instance, televised reports offered a powerful sense of devastation and suffering, while suggesting that President Bush in some way caused every imaginable misfortune. The riveting coverage, however, could hardly convey the truth that the long-term Democratic establishment in New Orleans and Baton Rouge actually bore primary responsibility for the lack of adequate emergency preparations, and hardly addressed the Big Easy’s pre-hurricane status as the most impoverished city in the country.

The television emphasis on immediacy and impatience (when people get bored they quickly change the channel) feeds the nation’s most destructive epidemic: the dreaded “Do Something Disease”: the conviction that every problem demands immediate activism in order to make us feel better, regardless of whether the gestures in question actually provide a long-term improvement in the situation.

Liberalism cherishes such meaningless feel-good notions. The Democrats feel outraged at the rise in gas prices, so they demand a satisfying and vindictive “wind-fall profits tax” on the greedy oil companies—never mind the fact that raising taxes on an industry always makes the prices of its product go up, not down. The nation feels disgusted and outraged at the brutal death of Matthew Shepard, so the liberals demand new “hate crimes” legislation – regardless of the reality that it’s already against the law to rob any victim (gay or straight) and to beat him to death, and that the gay student’s two killers are already serving two consecutive life sentences (each) for his murder.

Liberal hero Lyndon Johnson looks at the pain of destitution in the United States and launches his vaunted, costly “War on Poverty” – but as President Reagan ultimately observed, “We had a War on Poverty, and Poverty won.” Five Trillion dollars in social spending attempted to redeem the status of the nation’s poor but by most measures, the many well-intentioned programs only made the situation worse. Nevertheless, leftists defend the failed efforts at amelioration (just as they apologize for failed socialist experiments around the globe) because the do-gooders made us all feel better about attempting to address the suffering of the wretched of the earth – regardless of disastrous outcomes.

Like the tacky ending of a supposedly uplifting TV show, liberal programs emphasize feelings more than consequences, good intentions more than good results. No wonder that those who make TV the major factor in their lives feel most comfortable with leftist efforts to remake the world; and no wonder that those who embrace liberal values, find encouragement and sustenance in the shallow, manipulative, context-free world of televised news and entertainment.

In describing the common ground between the TV medium and the liberal world-view, I haven’t once cited the long-standing (and highly credible) charges of leftist media bias. The provocative new study from the Culture and Media Institute doesn’t examine what the respondents choose to watch, but rather measures the overall extent of their TV viewing, regardless of content. Perhaps some of the heavy viewers spend all four hours per night riveted by The History Channel, or Discovery, or PBS (fat chance).

For the purposes of this study, and for my analysis, it doesn’t matter how tasteful or admirable the viewing selections: four hours (or more) per night will bring the same doleful impact—leading to more isolation and less durable and significant real world relationships, a more dire perspective on the world around us along with a corresponding sense of desperation and powerlessness, and a superficial, impatient, emotional emphasis on immediacy and feeling, rather than context and consequence.

In other words, the problem with heavy television viewing isn’t the low quality of what we watch (though God knows the quality is low) but rather the high quantity. That means that the most important response to the study at hand (especially for those who want to raise their children free of the taint of liberal pathologies) isn’t to push for supply side solutions from mass media, but to deploy demand solutions for every American family.

We may remain unable to impact what the TV industry makes, but we can certainly change what each of us takes – and resolve to count ourselves among the connected, clear thinking light viewers, rather than the addled, lonely, and dysfunctional heavy consumers of the pop culture’s principal form of mindless and misleading diversion.

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Michael Medved's daily syndicated radio talk show reaches one of the largest national audiences every weekday between 3 and 6 PM, Eastern Time. Michael Medved is the author of eleven books, including the bestsellers What Really Happened to the Class of '65?, Hollywood vs. America, Right Turns and, most recently, The Ten Big Lies About America.
 
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Stunning
How elegant, no tags of bias can be laid at the feet of the investigation. Reading books, playing board games with friends, and actually doing something in the evening. It's so... "Leave it to Beaver!" I've heard that show vilified enough in the past decade to almost match the roar of hatred for the Bush Admin.

Medved gets at something here
... without nailing it explicitly. One of the biggest assets one can bring to TV watching is a healthy skepticism about how accurately whatever is being presented captures reality.

Medved mentions the Katrina coverage here. I remember watching it in the days immediately after the hurricane hit, and thinking, I just don't believe that NO black Americans in the city of New Orleans have been able to rise to this occasion -- to take charge -- to fend for themselves -- to organize for rescue, self-protection, citizen policing. They're Americans, for crying out loud.

And it turned out in the months that followed, as stories began emerging through a few journalists and blogs, that Katrina DID have heroes of all races, most certainly black heroes, from citizens to police and fire to the National Guard, the Navy, and ordinary people from the surrounding states. The image of poor blacks being herded blindly into the Superdome, there to sit around with blank stares and (reportedly) commit mayhem on each other, was turned into an emblem by focused and relentless repetition, not by an objective pervasiveness, or ownership of all reality.

It has sometimes seemed appalling to me that NO media outlets sought or presented the stories and images of heroism from Katrina, as they did from the 9/11 attacks.

I do think you need to have sources of ideas and information beyond the TV news media to attain a larger, more skeptical perspective.

Seens to be right on target. One point:
I think questionable is:

Fully 66% of heavy TV viewers agree with the statement that America “should cut back or stop all immigration from other countries”; among light viewers, only 50% concur.

IF townhall is full of 'light viewers' (as seems likely) this is the one that MAY be in error.

Awesome article.
You are right on target Mike.

Escape from reality
TV provides a more appealing narrative of reality than reality does. On TV, there's usually a clear victim and a clear victimizer who gets punished in the end. In reality, most people play a significant role in their own demise while employing self-justifying narratives to recast themselves as victims suffering unjustly. As a result, TV is just while life is unjust, which is why TV offers such an appealing escape from reality for self-victimizers.

Liberals provide a more appealing narrative of government than government does. Liberals divide the world up into clear victims and clear victimizers whom they promise to punish with high taxes, draconian regulations, and equality-restoring programs. Indeed, liberals have managed to paint everyone who has ever gotten sick as a victim of health care providers and insurers.

But government passes out money and special privileges to powerful and rich special interest groups regardless of merit while passing all the ruinous bills to us taxpayers, making clear victims of us all. Instead of looking at facts, however, we thrill at liberal promises to "fix" health care, restore justice, and make every victim whole again.

I suggest that Americans who prefer living vicariously in TV-land to real life and the liberal narrative of government to the reality of government do so because reality does them so few favors. Consequently, changing the content on TV won't solve the problem, but convincing people to change their lives so they can enjoy living them will.

What about Town Hall addicts
A heavy TV viewer inevitably short-changes his
communal and intimate relationships in favor of
his engagement with the phantom characters on the tube.

People who see themselves as alone in the world,
with no network of spouses or fellow congregants, frequently turn to government as a source of support and comfort—just as they’d turn to television as a source of phony companionship.

Television demands constant reminders of bad news and conflict.

The above are just three of the quotes in your
column that, if you filled in the words "Town
Hall Posters, " would describe my
perception of those who spend all their time on
this website.

They grouse about the state of the world constantly, they are absolutely convinced that if
we don't stand by with gun in hand, the boogey
man is going to get us, and on the international
scene, the terrorists are going to kill us all.
They would rather slit their wrists than
acknowledge that working together and looking
out for each other can be a very good thing for
a countries' welfare and the welfare of one's
own soul, they are convinced that our nation will collapse if one more Mexican steps over that border, their sense of outrage seems to know no
bounds when talking about any social program
either here or abroad.

I tracked one woman a couple of months back,
who was bellyaching about how hard she worked
to help support her family so why should she
also be asked to spend one thin dime on all
those lazy ignorant fools out there. This was
on a Thursday, I believe, and she was posting
from 10:00 in the morning until 6:00 at night
typing as fast as she could. And the only break
she took was to go out for lunch. And this
happened to be the day I tracked her. She is
a rather constant poster.

If you want to experience grinch-ism at its
worst & paranoia, tune in to Town Hall. The regulars easily spend four hours a day here.

I also noticed something that you mentioned
several times, without emphasizing it. The
survey mentioned night time viewing. That ignores all those hours spent in front of the TV
by stay-at-home moms, the bastions of good
Christian conservatism.

Your over-long column spent a lot of time
criticizing everything imaginable about liberals
which had very little to do with TV watching or
perceptions garnered from TV (such as, Katrina.
There is a connection there?) (Lyndon Johnson.
There is a connection there?)

"how else could its adherents demand sweeping, ambitious government initiatives to redistribute wealth, stop global warming, rescue the poor, repeal racism and homophobia, restructure health care, and so forth?." Are we suppose to APOLOGIZE for this? Are you kidding. Everything
is true, except for the redistribution of wealth.
We ask to be protected from the excesses of
the rich & we are outraged at the greediness that
is so prevalent among CEO's, but this is not the same as redistribution of the wealth.

As for the outrage in gasoline prices, are you
trying to say that the conservatives have no
outrage? What a crock. Liberals have been
saying for a very long time that gasoline prices
should be raised, through a tax on it, in order
to curb the usage of the dwindling natural
resource. Of course, you will say - and rightly
so - that our outrage is directed at the
profiteers. And you would be right there.
We do not have a problem with profit. What we
watch is how it is acheived and what is done
with it.







Excellent stuff, Lemonade
Your post demonstrates that the victim narrative goes both ways - conservatives have their own version of it. Better yet, it exposes another narrative crucial to the liberal worldview: The false community narrative.

The false community narrative posits that America is really one, big happy family, and that each individual family member ought to take care of all the others. This must be done by paying lots of taxes that will go to finance government programs that provide benefits for those who can't take care of themselves. It takes a village to take care of one villager whether they want the kind of care on offer or not.

Of course, what you conveniently failed to notice was that by aggressively indulging their addiction to TV, many liberals don't have any time to volunteer to personally take care of their own villages, much less a whole nation of villages.

Worse, by spending their free time in TV land, many liberals isolate themselves from their real villages, consequently having no real idea what their villages need or how to best provide it.

Finally, in combination with the liberal victim narrative, all needy people are really victims of the "system", which is why the national family must be turned inside out, upside down and six ways from Sunday to fix the real problems leading to need, which is really just a form of victimhood.

Of course, if the false community narrative were accurate, every villager would be clamoring to pay higher taxes rather than lower taxes while trying to raise his neighbor's taxes. Moreover, every villager would devote lots of personal time to helping his fellows to save money on taxes, given that time is money while money can't solve many problems.

Thanks for your post, Lemonade. I'm learning a lot, which is why I come here.

Dose of skepticism, but TV is evil.
Logic would tell you that people who can watch that much TV are more likely to be very young, very old, unemployed, and/or institutionalized. In other words, the Democrat base.

Still, machines do have an impact on society. It'd be hard to argue that cars and computers didn't change how lives are lived. I've even heard people say that microwaves and dishwashers (or bikes, a hundred years ago) were more responsible for the "liberation" of women than anything else.

So what's the television's impact?

Just thinking out loud - it isolates people from their community, at the same time giving the illusion that the world is smaller than it really is. It's a distraction from life, a drug to the conscience that manipulates the viewer's emotions. It provides hours of pastime that doesn't require exercise, skill, or knowledge. It bombards the viewer with people who are more attractive and wealthy than the viewer is, sowing personal discontent at the same time it sells them (usually unnecessary) consumer products. It makes the offend-nobody Liberal viewpoint pervasive, if for no other reason than because it's the least common denominator that'll sell to the largest possible audience.

I used to joke that television was responsible for the downfall of society. Now, I'm not sure I'd be joking. When did television ownership start to become pervasive? It was the 50's and 60's, wasn't it?

It's the level of pervesion.....
.....that resides inside the viewer, that dictates the amount of TV viewing time and the political affiliation. Two recent events, the sentencing of the Virginia ACLU president for having a computer hard drive filled with children engaged in activities you usually don't find going on in the average kindergarten, and John Edwards abortive Blogger in Chief, A*M*, who vehemently swore in her blogs that no bible thumping Conservative would ever prevent her from doing her best work on her back, that point out the close link between perversion and political affiliation. Find a Liberal, find out what their favorite perversion is. It's simply a matter of Soddom and Gommorrha with the modern Democrats.

It depends on what you watch
If you watch only E.T., Inside Edition, CNN etc. you are going to be hit far more with leftest views then those who watch Discovery Channel, Foxnews, Court TV, FX etc. So it is not a given that "heavy" television watchers are more liberal. Bottom line is you have to talk to your kids, give them a solid conservative foundation and they will see right through the biasis and even get a laugh. I know I do!

question
Was there an age difference

Reply to Lemonade
I think your points were good ones. The poll identifies 25% as four hours or more a day. Medved's conclusion ignores things like the internet and the type of programming people watch.

I suppose our family falls into the 25% category of viewership but watching the news and Animal Planet probably have not caused us to be flaming liberals.
When our kids were young we did a couple of things that I think made a big difference. First, we tightly controlled what programming they could watch, secondly we didn't allow televisions in their rooms until they were in college, third we didn't purchase anything beyond basic cable until they were in college.
All three have turned out well, college grads, responsible behavior and generally well balanced children I am very proud of. My wife and I always felt our primary obligation to society was to raise our kids as responsible members of society first and try to help with local causes second. Now that the kids are grown we can concentrate on helping others in the community. I don't think this makes me "liberal" but moderate. But in blogworld at the townhall, hotair and new republic sites that is an abomination....


Incredible
Mikey, the reason Mr. Fitzpatrick, the Director of the study would not make the link you did, is because it has no validity and once again shows Conservatives inane need to fabricate facts.

What are the Demographics of the viewers? So a person who watches 4 hours of Fox News a night is a certified Liberal?

You "quote" the "great TV critic Leo Tolstoy...Who died in 1910, 30 years before TV started it's rise among the masses...

You rail on Lyndon Johnson who wanted to change a world that did not allow Blacks to vote in the South and needed the Supreme Court during his time to allow mixed race marriages in States such as Virginia.

Spend 300 years creating a second class race with no training, education and little rights and you expect that to just fix itself in 30 years?

How vague and pointless are questions like "the government needs to get bigger?" Does bigger mean we need to exert our influence to spread Democracy? That's a good thing.

it is not hard to see why any intelligent surveyor would not want to make lame causation stretches...You however need to stoke the flames of Conservative hate for what they say day in and day out is a terrible country...Us Liberals are pretty d-mn happy with it...If you could have given us McCain versus W, we'd be ecstatic!!!

Jeeze, here I thought I was learnin ...
Wow, for a guy who made his name reviewing movies, you sure have a snotty take on TV viewers : "addled, lonely, and dysfunctional".

I am one of those 4+ hour a day viewers, and I'm not lonely, addled, or dysfunctional. I am, however, a stay at home Mom/Wife, who enjoys the sound of adult discussion of informative, or entertaining topics while I go about my business.

My husband and children are not home for prolonged periods of time, and I certainly don't think listening to Hip-Hop music on the radio is any more enlightening than listening to selected TV shows.

I refuse to watch any of the Leftie shows on TV, and I find plenty of uplifting/informative/entertaining programming to watch - though if you want a Leftie slant on any topic, just tune in PBS. That was a snotty jab at those of us who don't think PBS is the be all and end all of TV, and I question your judgement Michael, if you really think we'd all be better off if we watched more of it. Talk about a Leftist bastion.

I am a real live grownup, and can easily detect the leftist spin on nearly every show on TV, but that is the price you pay for the entertainment.

I most emphatically do NOT hold leftie views on ANY topic, and the best thing I can say about your analysis is that you have missed the point.

TV sucks because the Lefties watch these bottom feeding reality shows in droves, and all the uplifting shows are soon canceled because no one watches. I watch them. And I don't watch reality TV. I also go to movies that are uplifting, and stay away from low life slasher movies, or any movies that win awards, as that is the surest sign they are totally leftist in their spin.

Perhaps if more of you followed my lead, we could slow the proliferation of the stupid stuff, and support the good programs that do air. Then $$ would drive the increase in good programming that we all want to see. Lefty producers and writers have an agenda, but $$ trumps agenda every time, and if you watch it, they will come.

Stop being such a snob Micheal, and just be more selective in your viewing choices. There are a lot of folks out there who watch a lot of TV, but they just don't want to admit it. Particularly, with snobs like you looking down your noses at anyone who does.

Running out of material, are we Michael?
Repeat after me: Correlation is not causation.

More medved inanity
Seems to me that this article by Medved is, as soneone has already stated, a fabrication of fact. I have to ask, what's the point?

I know far more liberals than conservatives that don't even own a TV. And the folk I know that are conservatives spend most of their time watching FOX news. Which explains stuff like this article by Medved.

And, I also know that most of the stuff that young viewers are watching, that combine a least a couple of those hours, are broadcast by Newscorp. That includes the Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, and beyond the young set, American Idol. Add to that the time they spend on Newscorp owned MySpace, and even if one could call it an addiction, it's farily obvious that one of the major peddlers of the dope is a conservative corporation.

So once again, in an attempt to sound intellignet, a conservative shill has revealed the basic conservative inability to grasp the facts, let alone present them correctly, and completely overlooked the conservative hypocrisy of the issue, which by the way, hardly amkes the top ten of issues these days.

John Stuart Mill once said that not all conservatives are stupid, (I'm finding that harder to prove), but most stupid people are conservative.

Medved is case in point.

TV breeds a simplistic view of reality
I agree certainly that excessive TV time is cutting into time needed to build meaningful relationships, family, and community.

It also tends to make complex issues into simplistic ones, like this liberal/conservative nonsense. The questions in this survey seem simplistic to my TV-free mind. Bigger government? Abortion? If they had asked me those questions, I would have said: "What a dumb question!"

Personally, I do not resonate with either so-called conservative or liberal philosophies. Both philosophies, as espoused in the media, lack depth and are short on real solutions. Just like TV in general.

By the way, the AVERAGE time that Americans watch TV is now 4 hours 35 minutes every day. Most viewers seem to underestimate how much they watch, and the negative results are of their TV addiction.

Depends on what you watch
"Duff" wrote that, "it depends on what you watch," and I agree. My television viewing, almost non-existent, is limited to baseball games. No ill effects from those so far, at least as far as I can tell. And, I really prefer to listen to baseball on the radio, as the people broadcasting on radio do a much better job, in my opinion, than do the ones on television.
I also notice the usual spate of nasty personal attacks on Mr. Medved, from the usual suspects, and the usual gratuitious insults to concervatives from the same usual sources. How refreshingly mature and civilised they are.

Bravo Sierra, Barbara Streisand
BS...I watch TV from the time I hit the house; I go to sleep with the TV on; I watch L&O, SVU, Friends and FoxNews.
I'm so conservative I make Rush Limbaugh look like Howard Dean.
If you watch ONLY CBS, NBC, pmsnbc, communist news network, and the other left leaning broadcast outlets, I'd say YES, the study is probably valid.

redstateredkoolais
The comment about Tolstoy being a tv critic was tongue in cheek. You make yourself look foolish if you treat someone's jokes as if they are mistaken factual claims.

On the other handMedved does have a silly idea of how splintering of markets works. It allows for fringe shows to find an audience, but it does not make people who want Leave it to Beaver disappear. If there was a demand for such shows PAX would be more popular than it is. There is something silly about the idea that the free market leads to popular desires not being fed. And this in a defense of right wing thinking.

oh my
MellorSJ2 is correct, correlation is not causation. This study while interesting is not scientific enough to draw any conclusions. I like when people bash TV and I find it highly amusing when folks cry out for government to control it for them as they can’t seem to control themselves. The bottom line for me is: some TV is good, some is so-so and some is bad, but too much of any of it is a waste of time. Turn off your TV for goodness sakes.

Profblog: Right on brother! Woops, “Leave It to Beaver” was a TV show. Kind of ironic isn’t it?

Keep the Remote Handy
As a media analyst myself, I find myself watching more MSM nonsense than I'd like. Keeping the remote handy is a good idea.

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Tossing the word "addiction" around
I don't watch a lot of tv. I don't happen to find most of it worth watching. I record a few shows and watch them when I can. Mostly documentaries and a few series. But saying that people who watch a lot of TV are "addicted" is yet another example of Mr Medved's coming unhinged in recent times. He can't resist insulting anyone he disagrees with. He also, like too many "conservatives", can't resist trying to tell other people what is best for them. It blackens the word "conservative", as it is in actuality anything but conservative to butt one's nose in other's business. That is a recent (last 20 years) trend.

Maybe someone who watches a lot of TV just happens to prefer it to other things to do, much as a young woman who dumps a young man for another. Is she now "addicted" to the new man and should be forced to spend more time with her old beau?

Maybe some people don't have the attractive social options Mr Medved does (such as ego flattering invitations to the whitehouse to talk to the president, thus ensuring his support) Or maybe they have to deal with stressful arguments all day at work and just want to passively veg in front of something that doesn't insult them?

Yesterday I heard him call those who even fear a North American union "crazies" and other insulting terms when a caller just simply asked him about it. "unhinged" would be a good way to think of him at the time. I have no idea if there is any "plot", but when someone goes off the handle rather than defeat an argument with logic, it makes me all the more suspicious. Especially since he has lately been defending the indefensible from the administration.

Wow, a private visit to the white house sure buys you a lot of support from some people!


melor
Right on.

Medved has to construct logical and statistical fallacies to distract his listeners when the direction of the Bush administration initiatives fail once again. As a result he has had to reach far and wide for the last few years. His list of inane positions on specious arguments gets longer by the day. It is a pretty good barometer of how disastrous this administration has been.

applies to many
People can grouse all they want and attack the messenger all they want. Simple fact is that it is true. MSM along with Mainstream entertainment stealthly play on your sympathies and make abhorrent behavoir suddenly okay. The lesser among us are being quietly brainwashed. At least with the school system they are more upfront about it. Doesn't make it right though.

absurd
I’ll bet most of those people polled would be considered apolitical. Lazy slugs who wouldn’t affect the outcome of any election. My experience has been that me and the left leaners I hang with spend more time doing things (sports, gardening, music, playing with their kids) and less time watching TV. And when we do we watch something constructive - PBS, IFC, Discovery, HGTV, The Simpsons. I recently spent the weekend with dear friends - a right leaning older couple and they had FOX on 24-7. All day long intense coverage and in-depth analysis about the most recent non-event, Paris Hilton’s return to jail this time.

Medved...
...is an intelligent guy with a remarkable ability to cherry-pick details that support, or can be spun to support, his peculiarly narrow view of the world. He is fairly entertaining though.

TV's Link With Liberalism
I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the people in my own immediate circle, whom I know are heavy television viewers, are overtly influenced by liberal messages. I think it's like a drug. They get fed such a steady dose of it that they become immune to it. Some of the ones I know are honest though and are shocked that they fell for it hook, line and sinker when you enlighten them to the facts of how something really went down. I told them that they need to get multiple accounts of the same story and then parse out the fact from the fiction.

Medved is fine, most of the time
Gonzo writes: "I know far more liberals than conservatives that don't even own a TV."

You know far more liberals than Conservatives, period. Dont try to pull this slight of hand with us.

"And the folk I know that are conservatives spend most of their time watching FOX news."

I doubt they spend "most of their time" watching Fox. Though when they do watch tv, and they want to watch a news program, I have no doubt they choose to watch Fox over the other news channels such as CNN.

"CNN Reporter Admits Paying to Stage Story, Capping Nearly a Decade of Network Deception"

http://newsbusters.org/node/13383

"And, I also know that most of the stuff that young viewers are watching, that combine a least a couple of those hours, are broadcast by Newscorp. That includes the Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, and beyond the young set, American Idol. Add to that the time they spend on Newscorp owned MySpace, and even if one could call it an addiction, it's farily obvious that one of the major peddlers of the dope is a conservative corporation."

As you just pointed out, Newscorp represented only a couple hours, plus according to this:

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=B02

Newscorp gave more to Democrats than to Republicans. 60 percent to Dems, 40 percent to Republicans. In fact, out of those top twenty "TV/Movies/Music" corporations, only 7 gave more to the Republicans than to the Democrats.

"John Stuart Mill once said that not all conservatives are stupid, (I'm finding that harder to prove), but most stupid people are conservative."

Liberalism and lobotomies

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/campbell/031119

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.” - John Stuart Mill

rcb
"Excellent stuff, Lemonade" Thank you. Actually, I would keep it at the pretty darn good level. It was awfully late when I wrote it.

"Of course, what you conveniently failed to notice was that by aggressively indulging their addiction to TV, many liberals don't have any time to volunteer to personally take care of their own villages, much less a whole nation of villages."

I didn't fail to notice; I aggressively question
the data. Either that it is liberals who are
addicted to TV, or that liberals don't volunteer,
or that the questions asked would prove the
political leanings of a person or the quality of
their life, or the quality of shows they watch.
Maybe there is a real valid reason why the
pollsters did not make the same assumptions that
Medved does.

"all needy people are really victims of the "system", which is why the national family must be turned inside out, upside down and six ways from Sunday to fix the real problems leading to need, which is really just a form of victimhood."

I have spent too much time trying to figure out
what you are saying here, but I will assume that
it has something to do with taxes, because of
your last paragraph. Taxes are bad. It doesn't
matter what they might achieve, it doesn't
matter that we pay less taxes than most of the
modern industrialized world, taxes are bad. So
much so, that our esteemed leader has decided
to support our war by giving tax breaks. Wow.
Such brilliance should be rewarded - and it was,
with a 2nd term.

I will close with a quote from Iococca's new book. Highly readable, I might add, and right
on. I am 3/4 of the way through the book and
I still can't guess how he votes.

"Dear Mr. and Mrs. America, Your family's share of the National Debt is currently $115,000. Would you like that amount deferred to your
grandchildren."

Don't you think we should be paying our own bills?








As a "heavy" TV viewer
It's all about what you watch. My TV is on pretty much every moment I'm in the house. Generally on a ball game, discovery, CNN, Fox News, or Headline News. I'm not intently watching all the time but as I'm doing things on the computer or walking on the tread mill or lifting weights the TV is on and I'm aware of the conversations. The garbage that I allow on the TV is limite to House and I let my fiance watch the last season of American Idol, that will never happen again, and right now I'm letting her watch Hell's Kitchen. I say allow because we have an agreement that if I don't approve of the program it doesn't show on the TV when I'm around, she has the same power of objection with the exception of college football games. This truely limits the garbage that we watch.

She was a complete liberal a year ago until I started forcing her to become politically aware. She is now a moderate and is starting to lean to the right. It has nothing to do with how much TV you view it is what TV you view. Watching my Cub games and college football does not make me more liberal. I was more liberal when I was younger from my overwatching of MTV in high school. I was never a true liberal but was a moderate when I graduate high school, I always had non-fiction books in my hands and studied as much history as I could. As I stopped inputting as much garbage from the TV, there was a time I watched very little between working two jobs and fixing up my house, my mind cleared and all the ideas of socialism died out. Government taking care of me was not something anyone should want. Why would someone want to hand over their freedom to the govnment? This never will make sense to me yet millions of Americans will go out to vote to surrender their rights to the liberals.

TV and Liberalism---
Ever since All In The Family, Hollywood's television writers have been lecturing us non-stop about the joys of liberalism; whilst denouncing traditional values at every turn. By time MASH rolled around, I perceived that they were out of their minds...for they framed America's involvement in the Korean war as "unjust". In other words, when the world/UN came together to defend the vulnerable people of the South from violent Socialist aggression---well, America was naturally wrong for helping those we pledged to protect.
The problem is liberalism has devolved into a religion, faith in socialism. It's that age old scam that the collective should be free to impose it's hive mindset over the rights of a person---that human spirit should be suppressed, the individual annihilated in favor of a seriously flawed system of enslavement...the mob having the right to strip you and me of our life's enterprise; and take that stolen largess as a resource for flawed "do gooderism". It is evil, a vile distortion---the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing.
As a result, we've an indoctrinated generation of voters that are so foolish, they label our President a "terrorist"---and deny that Saddam WAS! This weakened mindset; inspired by television's conditioning is a risk we've indulged and are paying the price for in the desolution of American morale and resolve in a dangerous world.
Though his methods were draconian; it appears McCarthy had a point after all.

Can't believe what I'm reading...
What is wrong with people these days? Can't anyone reason anymore? These are Michael's comments on a statistical survey. Nowhere in the survey or in Michael's comments is it even implied that ALL heavy viewer will be liberal; that ALL light viewers will be conservative.

Left Nut, the fact that you have two friends who watch FOX News quite a bit (more than 4+ hours a day I would assume, based on your comments) in no way invalidates the study. Don't you people understand this? The fact that you can point to exceptions (liberals who watch no TV, conservatives who watch a great deal) does not in any way contradict the truth of the statistics.

Neither the group responsible for the study, nor Mr. Medved, claimed that this study was the end-all in explaining how people become liberal.
Such studies deal in generalities, by nature they only illuminate trends, for which innumerable individual exceptions can be pointed out. That doesn't mean that the study is wrong.

This seems so obvious, I can't believe I actually have to explain it...

obvious
Ever notice how "much truth is said in jest"?

Stretch that a little, and its a fair leap to think that "nicknames" are a fair description of the attributes of the thing which they describe.

Television is classically known as the "idiot box".

If you figure this one out yourself, you'll get a gold star and an extra ten minutes at recess.

It has nothing to do with politics.

Concrete Bob nails it
TV is what it is, entertainment for the masses. The problem is with agenda driven news coverage. MANY people believe they are getting the truth from Couric, Williams and Gibson. What they are getting is Liberal, Agenda Driven, Garbage (Memogate, Katrina, etc). Throw in MSDNC , The Communist News Network and other garbage like The Spew and Oprah and it is obvious there is a pronounced Liberal Bias in the media.

Thank God for Talk Radio, Foxnews and TownHall.com

Wow, just wow.
Lemonade states....

"I tracked one woman a couple of months back,
who was bellyaching about how hard she worked
to help support her family so why should she
also be asked to spend one thin dime on all
those lazy ignorant fools out there. This was
on a Thursday, I believe, and she was posting
from 10:00 in the morning until 6:00 at night
typing as fast as she could. And the only break
she took was to go out for lunch. And this
happened to be the day I tracked her. She is
a rather constant poster."

Hey, Lemonade you made some valid points. But, to track someone all day long like this is rather obsessive. I mean, it's not that big a deal.










"Soft" sell
This article and its related comments correctly identify the networks and/or programs that can easily be labeled Liberal or Conservative. More insidious, however, are dramatic series (Law & Order SVU, The Shield, House, and many others) that present specific agendas woven into their plot lines. The protagonists, or "typical" characters in some of these so-called lifelike dramas, convey a decidely liberal point of view when it comes to gay issues, unmarried sex, abortion, drugs and others. If these "heroic" characters are to be emulated by the viewer, there is no doubt that some of those attitudes will resonate with him.
Give me a re-run of the Andy Griffith Show ANYTIME!

Simplistic but maybe true
I think that Medved's assertion that heavy television viewing leads to liberalism is a simplistic explanation, but probably has some semblance of truth in it depending on what these people are watching. If you are getting your news from CNN, CBC, NBC, ABC, or PBS, you are definately getting a liberal, leftist slant. If you spend your time listening to FOX more center-right, and if you spend your time listening to Rush, Mike Church, or any other number of talk show hosts, a conservative slant.

Truth is all media news is slanted one way or the other. I however refuse to watch most sit-coms on the tube, because they are almost all leftist oriented.

The biggest problem is that most people that watch network news, or listen to talk radio, whether right or left, tend to not think for themselves and bite into what they are being told like a bunch of lemmings going over a cliff. That is the real danger of television.

bjimmy5757
Agreed, on the tendentious nature of TV series writing. I can't say I watch L&O much, largely because each time I've followed a plot long enough to see where it's going, there is a homeschooling mother depicted as a paranoid psychopath; a Christian depicted as mendacious and hypocritical, "obsessed" with gays or whatever; a gun owner depicted as an irresponsible doofus, clearly unable to tie his own shoes; or a gun seller depicted as cretinous and fang-toothed, with swastika shapes lurking subliminally in the background of his malodorous lair, as he declaims the words of the Second Amendment in sinister tones that make it sound like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Amazingly enough, I get the "hint." And vote with my remote to lose the left-wing propaganda.

Urban/rural or married?
I think it would be important to control for population density and marriage within this sample study as these two variables have the most significant effect on how people vote. Without controlling for these two variables, we don't really know if the sample is unbiased in measuring TV viewing.
One thing the findings confirm is that illegal immigration is a populist issue, not a partisan one. In other words, the conflict is not Republican vs. Democrat, it's populist vs. elitist.

dyerje - "vote with my remote"
Amen!


Gonzo: Really?
“John Stuart Mill once said that not all conservatives are stupid, (I'm finding that harder to prove), but most stupid people are conservative.”

Really? Misapplied quotation employed as a gratuitous assertion revealing a pedestrian thought process of insufficient granularity. MENSA must count its blessings having you on its esteemed rolls…

REALTY: John S. Mill, placed in historical context, considered conservatives to members of the ideologically static European establishment ,i.e., advocates of the kind of planned economies endemic to 19th century Europe. He believed in free-enterprise/market-based economies which were considered “liberal” at the time. Doesn’t sound like your modern Neo-Marxist masquerading as a person capable of “liberal” (=open) thought. Additionally, founder of what many think to be classic “Liberalism’ (as in libertarian) believed in free exchanges in the marketplace of ideas. Doesn’t sound like the pro-speech code Leftist Academic “Liberal” establishment.

Classic secular conservatism depends upon analytic thinking in contrast the hyper-emotionalism endemic to the modern Left, e.g., Benford’s Law of Controversy: Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available. Classic conservatives value the “INDIVIDUAL” & subscribe to anti-PC concepts like “personal responsibility.” In contrast the Left believes in group privileges (i.e., government-sanctioned victim groups: women, blacks, etc.) & debts (i.e., evil white males) in conformance with the old Marxist canard. Additionally, the pedantic Left seems to confuse “INCOME” (which the US government taxes) vice “WEALTH.” Conservatives also believe in positive change, e.g., ending the NEA’s power monopoly WRT the “education industrial complex,” unlike their current Leftist counterparts. Conservatives also believe in equality: “equality of opportunity” vice “equality of outcome” or “comparable value” (3rd wave feminism) favored by the Leftist establishment.

Your post reflects a substandard education which has resulted in your demonstrated lack of intellectual granularity: you must be a Liberal Arts Major. But do enlighten me…

Training Films, Advertisements

Billions of dollars are spent on audio-visual equipment and on training films on many subjects, that are shown in school class rooms, expecting to impart knowledge to the students.

A teenager is made to sit in a hard chair in a drafty room, next to people he doesn’t like, watching a scratchy picture on a small screen, and the teacher’s union will tell you he is being educated, and learning good things.

Later that same day, that same person is sitting in a comfortable upholstered chair in an air-conditioned room, eating pop-corn and drinking a coke, sitting next to his girlfriend, watching a technically perfect picture on a huge screen, and we are told he is learning nothing.

Why is it a surprise that a person who sees hours of the trash and filth shown on TV, in computer games, and in movie theaters, has their style of life changed? And don’t say your child saw those same films and programs and killed no one. Millions of people saw a commercial for a new car last night, and only a very, very few bought the car.

Repeated exposure to advertisements and training films, and constant exposure to computer games, TV programs, and movies can and does influence a life. Can Hollywood be proud of what they teach?

bjimmy5757
Did you ever wonder why no black folk live in Mayberry?

Leave it all to the next Generation
Lemonade writes: Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 10:37 AM
a quote from Iococca's new book.

"Dear Mr. and Mrs. America, Your family's share of the National Debt is currently $115,000. Would you like that amount deferred to your
grandchildren."

==========

I am sick of hearing this old bromide, even from Iococca. If your parents left you a bill of $115,000 that you just had to pay, that would be considered a terrible thing, terrible that is until you noticed they left you a $1,000,000 home, free and clear of mortgage.

The same with the national debt. How many hundred’s of trillions of dollars worth of streets, freeways, houses, buildings, airplanes, inventions like computers and drugs, and on and on will be left to that generation — free and clear.

One of the few things ...
that I picked up along the way is that folks talk in generalizations. Barrett who wrote "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire".said that "generalizations spare us from the incomprehensible anarchy of individual circumstance."

Guess that is pretty reasonable and you can't quibble with that statement and remain logical ..

Love these comments
I love to read how Medved's critics attack his comments on a non-scientific study, and then retort by saying something like "I know a lot of Conservatives who watch FoxNews..." or "Many of my liberal friends don't even watch TV..." or "It's probably all of those conservative Christian stay-at-home moms watching..." Nice, and very scientific. Now I'm definitely going to believe you.

And to Lemonade, your hatred of tax cuts reflects little understanding of basic economics. When the President cut taxes, tax revenues increased. I would have thought you would have loved that. The government ended up with more cash!

But here is something on which many--if not most--of us can agree: Watch less, and read more.

Sexual Depravity, Murder and Idiots
What does this study say about liberals given the facts that (a) TV promotes only evil as in sexual depravity and murder, and (b) is clearly aimed at the least uneducated group of the American population?

The typical TV viewer is most likely to be a poorly educated bigot or racist, or to commit a violent crime. He is most likely to be attracted to Paris Hilton because she is uneducated and dresses so that everyone knows exactly what she looks like without any clothes. She likes Hilton because she believes in the make believe world that you can act like a prosttitute and somehow be attractive to a man with some decency and brains.

The typical heavy TV viewer is most likely to be an alcoholic or drug user with a penchant for laziness, stealing and violence-all of which are glorified on TV.

Perhaps Mr Medved would comment on these well known facts.

MikeR - Touche'!
You make a good point, and in the context of the times, was the program offensive? Once again, if you found it to be so, I encourage you too to "vote with your remote." Either way, the Andy Griffith Show was entertaining to many of us.
Did you ever wonder why every high ranking military officer that supported the cause of supressing communism on "MASH" was depicted as a bloodthirsty maniac, or at least incompetent? In fact, any character who was not of the same opinion of "Hawkeye" was obviously an ignoramus. But, yes, I admit it, the show was hilarious most of the time.
Final thought: why was every white-skinned character on "The Jeffersons" a complete moron?

Bring Back Shmoolie!
Hey Mike,
My wife and I loved watching Shalon in the Home per your recommendation. But, seems like they took his show off the air. WHY!!!!?????

Lemonade
Good question. What I meant is that according to the liberal version of the victim narrative, society - what I called the "national family - is dysfunctional, which is why it creates poverty, racism, sexism, etc. ad nauseum.

The liberal fixes to all these problems require restoring equality to society. For example, what the poor really need isn't just more money, but a fair distribution of income relative to everyone else in society. A fair income distribution is what's really needed if the poor are ever to regain their dignity and status in society, so the spiel goes. That's why more and more government programs to help the poor won't ever be enough. Rather, liberals call for top-to-bottom wealth transfers between all Americans to equalize their incomes.

But the rich won't let you get at very much of their money. The other day I heard that the Kennedy family, which could have paid around $130 million in death taxes, have instead paid only about $3 million. That's a savings of $127 million through offshore asset protection vehicles gained by a liberal family whose leading light, Senator Ted Kennedy, is vehemently against abolishing death taxes for you and your family.

Taxation can never produce equality, which is why I'm against it when used for that purpose. Moreover, I'm convinced that poverty is caused not by measurement - some people having more money than others - but by real causes, such as bad life style decisions, addictions, lack of ambition, bad luck, etc. And there's simply no government fix for these things.

Finally, if you think raising taxes without putting constitutional limits on how much government can borrow will fix the debt problem, then think again. When government borrows money to spend on you, you spend your children and grand children's money. So next time you hear a liberal moan about how awful society is, and how equality will fix it, and how more and more government programs are needed, think about the taxes your grand children will have to pay to pay off your debt.

Narcil
I pretty much discounted the survey because given the context - conservative radio host, conservative forum, conservative polling company - I surmised that the only purpose of the poll and Medved’s comments on it were to forward the idea that liberals are lazy, stupid and robotically controlled by the liberal MSM. This is contradictory to to my actual experience - the only thing I feel I can trust in the polarized environment we live in today.

Subject to common sense
This poll is of course subject to common sense.

It didn't mean all people who watch 4+ hours of TV are liberal, or that all conservative watch less than 1 hour a day.

It means that if you actually watch 5 hours a day "more than likely" you watch a lot more of the network programming than most people.

The drama's are filled with shows that give a positive spin to adultery, homosexuality, pre-marital sex, liberalism and basically any deprived way of thinking you can imagine.

I don't think if you watched Foxnews, Football, baseball and ESPN it would effect you much, but a steady stream of Desperate housewives, etc, etc, etc has to erode your morality to some degree if thats all you watch all day. And a bunch of people are hooked on this stuff. Yes it can and does have an effect on you. Just as watching FoxNews all day long has an effect.

But, I would imagine folks who watch 5 hours a day are watching drama'a and sitcoms more often than they are watching Fox or football.

RCB - Comment
RCB writes:

"The liberal fixes to all these problems require restoring equality to society. For example, what the poor really need isn't just more money, but a fair distribution of income relative to everyone else in society. A fair income distribution is what's really needed if the poor are ever to regain their dignity and status in society, so the spiel goes. That's why more and more government programs to help the poor won't ever be enough. Rather, liberals call for top-to-bottom wealth transfers between all Americans to equalize their incomes."

It's very true and you and Medved (and the others) are voicing what has been so obvious (but unmeasured) for years. Thanks for the column, Mike, and RCB and others for extensions.

Just last night, I was watching "Law and Order: SVU" (I know, I know...) and it was an repeat that was dealing with the disappearance of 4 Hispanic boys in New York 12 years earlier. The recurring theme was: "Do you think this case would have been solved if the boys had been white?" Over and over, over and over, ad nauseum.

Social commentary, slanted to this degree is subtle but effective. And (as Medved points out) with 28 hours of "quality time" with our heads each week, the message does get across to those susceptable.

Very fascinating column and discussion.

Cheers,

Ron Albright

http://www.ronalbright.com

bmovies
Your post of 10:12am is brilliant...thank you!
Anyone who has not read it should do so now.


Demonsthenes
Your scathing wit just slays me!
Keep up the good work.

Both the Poor and the Rich have problem
Someone says,

what the poor really need isn't just more money, but a fair distribution of income relative to everyone else in society

But they also need some knowledge of how to manage and spend the dollars they do get. How many times was I told, “I can’t pay the rent this month, since we went to Vegas: or I had company and they wanted to go to Disneyland,” and a hundred more excuses why rent wasn’t as important as other things.

=======

As for the comment

“But the rich won't let you get at very much of their money.”

The person who received millions of dollars does not bury it in his backyard, it is either spent, and sales tax is collected, or placed in an account of some kind, and is available to loan to people who want to buy a house, buy a car, pay a columnist, or what ever, and on and on and on.

Fifty years ago we sent a test message over the production control teletype network, each morning. A message I made up said, “People complain about the idle-rich, and the idle-poor. The one because they are idle, the other because they are rich.”



CHEW ON THIS -
If SJ2 is correct is his spew,
ADVERTISING HAS BEEN A FRAUD AND HAS LOST BILLIONS FOR ITS SPONSORS OVER THE YEARS FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Surevy/Polls
Evidently some of the posters here didn't read the article very closely. Medved said "Analysts may argue about causation, but there’s no real doubt about correlation: an important new study from the Culture and Media Institute shows that those who describe themselves as “heavy” TV viewers embrace distinctly liberal attitudes on a range of crucial issues, placing them well to the left of those who report “light” TV viewing.".

He did not say that heavy TV watching CAUSED people to be liberal. The question I have is "Did the study also track IQ". Most TV shows now are geared toward a mentality equal to that of a fence post.

Personally I don't believe in ANY study. They all are done by groups who have an ax to grind in one direction or another. You can tilt any survey simply by tilting the questions or the way they are asked. Surveys and polls are worthless.

Vic
Right on about surveys and polls. I’m sure the same focus group could be asked a set of questions that would make them seem conservative. This “poll” supports the prevailing conservative attitude that Hollywood has an agenda to make America more liberal. Not true. The networks are in the business of making money and lots of it. They don’t make money by changing people. They make money by giving people exactly what they want. As strange as it may seem to most of the posters here, myself included, the crap we see on TV is exactly what alot of our fellow Americans want.

Robert
Yes, The Spew is SO much better!
What a Liberal Moron!

This column was a waist of time
Enough Said, Chuck Out.....

Sixty Cycle sterility
TV's have an steady state electronic base of AC electricity at 60 Cycles 120 Volts.

Its been said our kids and to some extent adults function best with random inputs.

A child was diagnosed with Autism. After he stopped watching TV he returned to normal.

One anecdotal case.

We intuitively know too much TV is no good. Is Alzheimer's part of this equation?

My info is hearsay so far but hope to obtain written facts.


bjimmy5757
You’re right about that. MASH was longer then the actual war, as realistic as “the Beaver” and completely sanctimonious. It could be construed as completely liberal propaganda but in truth was just bad TV. As for the Jefferson’s, I thought being a moron was a prerequisite for casting in the first place. I’m sure many people are influenced by TV.

tv and immigration
I have watched nothing on tv about immigration, my opinions are from living with the problem in South Texas.

The Hewett-Medved Propaganda Hour
We needed a Bush apologist telling us about Television being a propaganda tool, all of this from a propagandist like Medved? I guess we should be eternally thankful that such a "smart guy" has extended his infinite wisdom to us all.

Of course Medved should know all about propaganda, he and Hewett should team up together, The Hugh Hewett-Michael Medved Propaganda Show: Apologists for a Lame Duck.... Your first guest - Karl Rove explaining his efforts at fragmenting the conservative movement? Or maybe Rove can expound on his General Theory on converting socialist Mexicans into conservative Americans?



*LOL* - MikeR
"I thought being a moron was a prerequisite for casting in the first place."
I think you're on to something!
So is Left Nut: see his post of 2:58 pm
WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US

tv addiction
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Immigration
Fully 66% of heavy TV viewers agree with the statement that America “should cut back or stop all immigration from other countries”; among light viewers, only 50% concur.

Well, if my ciphering is right, this means about 175 million people are against this immigration scamnesty that you and your cohorts are so in support of. So my question is this: Are those of us against this immigration thing still all racists, bigots and not care about the future of our country? What say you Mike, still think you know better than us poor, ignorant slobs that actually make this country work? The truth is you are all eliteists, Left or Right. You all think you know so much better than us common folk and that we need you to take us by the hand like a 5 year old child. You all disgust me with your know everything attitudes. Hopefully, I will already be deceased by the time it happens, but eventually, us common folk are going to say enough. I feel sorry for you eliteists on that day. Sorry for the rant, but I get a little ticked off by some ivory tower , rich snob telling me I ought to accept 12 million people who have no respect for my country or it's laws with open arms or I must be a bigot. I apologize for the vitriol in this post but I'm kinda put off by these people, Left or Right.

A Minor Disagreement
While I do agree with Mr. Medved that most television is largely a waste of valuable human time, I do take issue with the assertion that single people vote Democrat and that they often substitute 'phony relationships with phantom T.V. characters' for meaningful relationships with real people. Notably in the beginning of this piece, I detected a strong anti-single tone which tainted the column, at least in my humble opinion.

Demosthenes,
Oh my, how you ROCK!!!!

I so enjoy your posts-

Liberals are lazy emotion addicts
who are too lazy to pick up books or newspapers or magazines and read them and research them for accuracy. Any emotion addict will do anything to get their emotional fix. THINKING has never provided an emotional fix. THINKING actually requires patience and hard mental work. Liberals don't listen to the ideas in the news; they listen to the emotions in the news, the tones of how something is being said. You could even convince a Liberal that murder is the right thing to do if you just present it right with the right language and tone and especially "word choice"; it's called "Abortion". We call it murder, but what do they call it - Abortion. Invariably, it is presented as a "choice" between you and God but also a "right" that a woman has. Thereby, the decision to "abort" is imbued with lots of emotion and permission or a "right" to allow emotion to trump reason and conscience and accountability to God for defying God's laws written on your soul. Liberals go through life seeking free passes to emote instead of think. It is at the heart of multiculturalism and political correctness. Group-think is encouraged by conditioning people to emote than think before they act.

Tax and offshore investments
Jim writes:

"The person who received millions of dollars does not bury it in his backyard, it is either spent, and sales tax is collected, or placed in an account of some kind, and is available to loan to people who want to buy a house, buy a car, pay a columnist, or what ever, and on and on and on."

High taxes in America drive billions of dollars into offshore tax shelters. This would not be a problem if the IRS did not require offshore financial institutions to report the identity of those owning accounts or funds that hold securities listed on U.S. security markets. Why? Because the offshore money could be invested in American businesses and people.

But because of the IRS reporting rules, all those billions of offshore American dollars can't be invested in America. So they're invested in companies in Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, etc., depriving the American economy of much-needed capital.

In sum, high taxes on America's rich hurt America's poor the most because they drive off the capital needed to expand economic growth and opportunity in America. The IRS makes sure of that. Better yet, the rich are able and do avoid high taxes by parking their capital offshore, which of course means you can't beat them in a class war. Instead, you can only beat yourself.

But go ahead, America, fight another class war. I can always use a few more clients.

Patting myself on the back
I watch a lot of TV AND I'm conservative.

Content Immaterial
So many comments on "what" viewers watch. Didn't you read anything the study said? The content of what people watched didn't change the study results: there is a correlation between heavy TV watching and liberal sentiments. For everyone who said he watches mountains of TV and is ultra-conservative, so what? I don't care HOW conservative you are. You shouldn't watch so much TV, period. Stay at home mom? You still shouldn't watch four or more hours a day. Enough lame excuses. Admitting a problem is the first step to solving it. Four hours or more a day regularly is just sick.

what does it all mean??
When you sit down and think about what Medved is saying, there are serious implications that move beyond the realm of politics. The debate about media is significant because, yes, media can affect political agendas and public policies, but more importantly because it clearly affects the formation and development of American culture, and ultimately America's view about religion.

The media can make political attacks all day and night for all I care- that's fair game. But when a biased media tries to undermine moral values and religion, or worse, is outright hostile towards them, we have a serious problem (and it appears that that is exactly what liberal media does intentionally or unintentionally). With media biased against religion and all the virture it promotes, no wonder we are seeing discouraging statistics about viewers that become more impatient, anxious, fearful, superficial, pessimistic, etc.

Okay, but some may say that religion doesnt really matter, that we could all get on without it, or that it simply shouldnt even be discussed in the 'public square'. Well, I'd say consider what our first President had to say about that as he gave his Farwell Address:

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports...let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exculsion of religious principle"

Also, the famous "three-step logic" of the founding fathers dictates that
1) Liberty is the object of the Republic, 2) Liberty needs virtue, and 3) virtue among the people is impossible without religion.

So again, what does it all mean? it means American citizens (liberals and conservatives alike) must be VERY concerned about a media that does not support moral values or religion, because besides political agendas, our Republic and our LIBERTY are at stake.

ransom
"When the President cut taxes, tax revenues increased. I would have thought you would have loved that. The government ended up with more cash!"

If we have more cash, why do we have a $3 trillion
debt?

Take Back the Government
"Liberals are lazy emotion addicts"

Wonderful post. You sure are bright. (she said
sarcastically). Who fried your brain?

Country Boy
" I don't think if you watched Foxnews,...it
would affect you much."

Without arguing that point directly, I think
that you should watch the movie after which
my moniker is taken: "Viruddh." In it, you
will get an idea of what it can mean to freedom
to have a network that asks no questions of
the government when their side is in power.

It can be very scary. And I presume that since
this is an Indian movie, Fox News is not what
they had in mind. But we have had recent
revelations about how Fox ignores bad news when
it comes from the right (like the amount of time
they spend on the war in Iraq compared to other
stations).

julie
"virtue among the people is impossible without religion"? What a poor view of humanity you seem to have.

Right or Wrong
Here's the Liberal problem:
They equate right with good and
wrong with bad
which, of course, is unreasoned.
Wrong people are sometimes good,
and right people are sometimes bad.

Who Has The More Depressing View?
So, Michael, your conclusion is that TV is so bad that a) it fosters and promotes liberalism, and b) that the (mostly) liberals who watch it aren't just wrong politically, they are losers in their lives outside of politics as well?

I'm an Independent who shares many of your conservative political views (For: death penalty, second amendment rights, reducing the number of abortions; Against: bigger gov't, gov't run health care, hate crimes legislation), but I can't go with you on this one. I guess I'm not a "media conservative".

Who's more responsible for promoting a "culture of fear" here: the liberal who watches horrors on TV and then demands that somebody "Do something!" about it, or, someone who analyzes the state of TV today and stops just short of declaring it a sign of the Apocalypse?

Do more channels result in a greater need to shock viewers, or does it allow for entire networks (Hallmark, ABC Family, Animal Planet, Nickelodeon, Ion, The Learning Channel) to broadcast nothing but "wholesome" shows?

Should we promote reading? Absolutely! Hey, everybody, I encourage you to read more, read widely, read everyday, gather info from a wide variety of sources before you decide your position on any important issue . . . but don't discount TV as a source of news, information, and quality entertainment; it's all there among the -- admittedly -- substatntial quantity of dross.

RCB
" liberals call for top-to-bottom wealth transfers between all Americans to equalize their incomes."

Where do you get these ridiculous ideas!!!

Micheal Medved
Yes, it leads to one being "neo-CONNED".

TV is Good
Thanks, Mike! You say television generates values that George Bush's favorite philosopher Jesus Christ would have admired: caring for the elderly by providing them health care, caring for citizens by providing them health care, respectfultreatment of women and more. I guess I'll have to start watching more TV.

Medved's agenda
Mr. Medved is clearly being dishonest. His claims that he is using unbiased sources is a lie. CMI is a right-wing agenda driven operation.Here's a fact, fron a reputable polling organization; a majority of Republicans don't believe in evolution. This proves the popularity of Fox News and the Dukes of Hazzard. President Bush learned from Hee-Haw. Medved's claims are meritless. Fox News constant Paris Hilton coverage, the station is akin to the New York Post, full of errors, near lewd pictures, right-wing distortion. For Mr. Messypants,, or whatever, the Chinese gov't., the Iranian gov't., the Talibhan, and George Bush are all conservatives. Socialists and Commies don't like liberals. Liberals are pro-change, conservatives for status-quo. Slavery conservative ideal, women's rights liberal ideal.
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