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Wednesday, May 02, 2007
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
“The Senator party" vs. "The Governor party"
by Michael Medved
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The first nationally televised Presidential debates for both Democrats and Republicans highlighted a revealing distinction between the field of candidates for each of the two parties.

While superficial observers might focus on the greater diversity of the Democratic contenders (with one female, one black, and one Latino among them), the eight Dems and ten GOP’ers still showed a similarly disproportionate domination of dark-suited, white, middle-aged males – with a single seventy-something curmudgeon (John McCain for the GOP, Mike Gravel for the Dems) offering some feisty seasoning.

The most significant gap between the Democrats on the one hand and the Republicans on the other actually involved the nature of their political experience, not their ethnicity or age. All eight Democratic contenders have served in the United States Congress – and an amazing six of the eight are either current or former members of the US Senate. Only one of the Dems (Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico) has held a significant administrative office, though some thirty years ago Congressman Dennis Kucinich served a disastrous two years as the “boy mayor” of Cleveland.

On the Republican side, in dramatic contrast, four of the candidates (Romney, Jim Gilmore, Tommy Thompson, Mike Huckabee) have served as governors, and frontrunner Rudy Giuliani made his reputation as mayor of the nation’s largest city. While all the Democrats boasted Congressional experience, only half of the GOP contenders ever served in either House of the US Congress

These differences in background reflect far more than curious coincidence: they actually illuminate some of the profound differences in the way the two parties see the purpose and nature of politics.

In all of the elections of the last twenty-four years, among Presidential and Vice Presidential nominees the Republican Party put a consistently higher premium on administrative experience. Among the twelve GOP nominees for the two top offices in that period (since 1984), seven had previously served as governors or heads of federal cabinet-level departments; for the Democrats, the corresponding figure was three out of twelve (with nine candidates out of Congress).

These contrasting choices for ticket toppers reflect important contrasts in governing philosophy for the two big parties. Republicans prefer governors and cabinet members because they see the job of the President as primarily administrative: to respond to crisis, to tame (and, ideally, to cut back) the federal bureaucracy and, generally, to run the government efficiently enough that it doesn’t interfere unduly with the important business of family and commercial life. Because of the traditional Republican emphasis on efficient administration, it was only with distinct hints of incompetence in handling Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq war that some of the loyal GOP supporters of President Bush began to turn away from him.

Democrats, by contrast, view government as a powerful change agent, not a threat to privacy or prosperity. They prefer current and former legislators as their nominees because Congress remains branch of government that changes laws and thereby alters reality. The Democrats rally to Presidents and candidates who promise ambitious programs (“New Deal,” “New Frontier,” “Bridge to the 21st Century”) that use governmental initiatives to address problems, while GOP’ers long for a deft administrator who keeps the nation safe and secure while preventing the government from intruding too much in our lives.

Democrats also maintain a far more benign view of Washington, D.C. than do Republicans, so they more readily embrace politicians who have spent their whole political careers in the nation’s capital. The candidates on-stage for the recent Democratic debate in South Carolina represented a combined total of more than 150 years of Congressional experience.

Republicans, on the other hand, look askance at federal power and often turn to “outsiders” who honed their leadership skills in state capitals like Sacramento or Austin, and come to D.C. to “clean it up” rather than to launch new programs. Conservatives may view all government as a necessary evil, but tend to see state and local governments as more necessary and less evil than the federal bureaucracy. Many Republicans want to eliminate cabinet departments like the Department of Education not because they don’t support public education, but because they want it controlled and funded and operated at the local and state level.

In the upcoming election, the two parties will probably select nominees who re-enforce their respective identity as “The Senator Party” and “The Governor Party.” Democrats will almost certainly select a legislator to head the ticket (Clinton or Obama or Edwards) while Republicans will most likely turn to an administrator (Giuliani or Romney--- though McCain remains a possibility despite his exclusively Congressional background).

The people will ultimately make their choice based on the usual factors of personality and promises but they will also do some soul searching as to what they want from the next president. If they feel basically optimistic about their own lives and want a federal government that’s better run, but not fundamentally different or bigger, they will turn once more to the “Governor Party” – the Republicans. If, however, they’re convinced that they’re in personal peril, threatened by out-of-control economic and international forces that require aggressive governmental initiatives to counteract them, they will probably choose “The Senator Party.”

The contrasting approaches remain inscribed on the two parties’ partisan DNA and also determine very different choices as to their candidates.

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Michael Medved's daily syndicated radio talk show reaches one of the largest national audiences every weekday between 3 and 6 PM, Eastern Time. Michael Medved is the author of eleven books, including the bestsellers What Really Happened to the Class of '65?, Hollywood vs. America, Right Turns and, most recently, The Ten Big Lies About America.
 
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Fiddler
Does the faith-based initiative "address problems"? Yes, it does. Thus it's a "governmental initiative that addresses problems."

Thus Bittruth was right in pointing out Medved's hypocrisy.

Great observation, Michael...
Seriously everyone, Medved's observation is exactly right on.

Obviously, there are exception to every rule: the last two Democratic presidents were governors (Southern governors, no less), and some of the Republican current presidential frontrunners and recent candidates hail from the Senate (McCain, Fred Thompson, Bob Dole), but overwhelmingly, Democrats look to the lawmakers, the people who live to change society by the power of government, as their leaders. Republicans generally prefer a chief executive, someone who knows how to make decisions and "do it, delegate it, or ditch it". That is the only reason someone like Rudy Giuliani rose so high in the Republican polls, even with his famous left of center social views (whether it holds with a Fred Thompson candidacy remains to be seen). Mitt Romney is well credited as a business leader and someone who turned the failing Salt Lake City Olympics into a success. And special attention is usually given to the outsider who can radically change and streamline government, while Democrats prefer the bogged down, inside-the-beltway bureaucrat.

It's just one more example of the big mindset differences in the parties: the Right believes that in order to solve our problems, we need to adhere to universal values and first exhaust the more local solutions, like personal character, family, community and faith based systems, charities, and the private sector. The Left believes that people's problems are usually due to oppression and discrimination of some kind, so we urgently must turn to the less local, more drastic solutions like federal and international governments.

Katrina....
...does not bode well for cute little Mary Landrieu and Her Density Kathleen Blanco. Apparently, Louisiana has become far less chocolate and more attuned to the real incompetence of Dumbocrats in power.

As far as the federal response, unfortunately the prevailing meme is that the Bush administration botched the rescue of several thousand Orleanites who didn't have the brainpower to remove themselves from a bowl-shaped city facing a Cat 5 hurricane. Guess they figured they'd miss out on the looting.

Imagine the scenes of destruction had there not been any Coast Guard/Nat'l Guard/FEMA response forces to rescue people from rooftops...which would have happened if they had prepositioned assets in the path of the hurricane.

As far as administators go, the Dem juggernaut led by Nancy! really delivered during its 100-hour legislat-a-thon...are her grandchildren still on the podium?

The wise voter, recognizing the need for the mob in an idiocracy to hear certain keywords, will learn to read between the lines and predict the activities of his/her candidate. Trust me, gov't deficits are a better state of affairs for the productive citizen than gov't surpluses.

So where are these great administrators?
"If they feel basically optimistic about their own lives and want a federal government that’s better run, but not fundamentally different or bigger, they will turn once more to the “Governor Party” – the Republicans. If, however, they’re convinced that they’re in personal peril, threatened by out-of-control economic and international forces that require aggressive governmental initiatives to counteract them, they will probably choose “The Senator Party.”

What a voter wants and what he gets are never the same.
If Mr. Medved believes that voting for a Republican candidate will result in a better run, less intrusive federal government, what Republican record from the recent past can Mr. Medved point to to back up his assertion ?
The "distinct hints of incompetence in handling Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq war" he makes reference to? The eleven billion in taxpayer money missing? Thats better run government?
What about the 50% increase in discretionary spending under the watch of former Republican governor G.W Bush? This is smaller government?
Or the gross display of governemnt interference in the very private matter of Terri and Michael Schiavo? This is less intrusive government?
Republican candidates face a a difficult task convincing moderate Republican voters that they are willing and capable of adhering to core Republican philosophy, because the record of most Republicans doesn't comport with that.


Bittruth
Nice try, but the faith based initiative was merely an effort to allow faith-based organizations to perform functions that were already being performed by secular organizations. If you can draw a parallel from that to the Democrats' use of government to mandate the imperatives of the progressive orthodoxy (unfettered abortion, speech codes "protecting" homosexuality and thought crime legislation which causes identical acts to be punished diferrently based on who the "victim" is) then you are delusional. You're probably a hypocrite, too, but, then again, aren't we all?

McCain, Slogans, Fun
John McCain is going to be 72 at the time of the next election, at which point he may be elected President. If he served two terms, he would be 80 in January, 2017, when he handed over the presidency to age 36 Chelsea Clinton . . . at which point "our long national nightmare" would begin all over again.

Come visit me (click on name above) and participate in the contest to come up with campaign slogans for all candidates. First one up is "Yo Mama Love Obama."

steve

faith
Medved wrote:
"The Democrats rally to Presidents and candidates who promise ambitious programs . . . that use governmental initiatives to address problems . . ."

Oh, you mean like the faith-based initiative, Mike?

Bwa HAAA haa!!!!

Hypocrite.

lilly

Well, I guess the guy in the grocery store cancels out your vote!

Infatuated with Fred...for now
1st off...cris, many thanks for helping me "understand"...punctuated with a couple hammering "nows" really drove your point home...ouch; he was a senator & he's now an actor...got it.
Currently (now), i'm evaluating Fred (among the 2nd tier) and view him as a potential viable - electable candidate (he's got a decent ACU rating; would prefer it a bit higher)
Now, would your enthusiasm for Condi while dismissing Fred expose what i perceive as a unease with candidates of both parties that he's presently (now) effortlessly sucking up a lot of O2 that might otherwise be nurturing other folks.
IMHO - Condi is about as polarizing to liberals as (sir edmund) hildy is to conservatives - rendering her unelectable, at least for(now)2008.

I know, I know...
...I just want someone who is honest. Someone whose actions reflect their rhetoric. I'm tired of not trusting my elected officials. I'm tired of being sold down the river by pseudo conservatives who betray their constituents. I don't think the Dem's have that problem, everyone pretty much knows what they're going to get with them. The problem is that nobody seems to have a spine anymore. Where does the buck stop today?

New Orleans
I agree with all above that the problems faced in New Orleans were the results of poor local (both city/state) management/preparedness.

As is obvious to all except those who delight in finding "victims" to feature in their never-ending Bush-bashing stories, if Mississippi residents can overcome and rebuild, what exactly is the problem with those in LA? Perhaps having lived for so long on government handouts renders one useless in discovering ways to meet challenges.

Once again, a Republican outlook is to prepare an individual for personal responsibility while the Democratic view is to keep the "poor things" dependent on the government. I think this proves which is more effective!

Curly
Right on re: no career senators for president!

If it was not possible to run unless they resigned from Congress first, perhaps there would be a tad more hesitance to entering the fray. As it stands now, their constituents get the short end of the stick while they are out vote/money gathering! But, what else is new???

ME ME ME - the mantra of Congress.

RUN, FRED, RUN!

Right distinction, wrong conclusion
Medved is onto something here, but not, in my opinion, so much what he suggests.

I actually think the preference of the parties for executive versus legislative politics swings back and forth, and isn't attributable as much to their basic social-political postures as to their postures in relation to major trends.

Basically, focusing on the legislative is focusing on being against things, whereas the executive mindset is one of being FOR things.

This is why McCain is the consummate legislator. No matter the topic, he can find something somebody's doing to be AGIN'. If you feel like you need to stand athwart history yelling "STOP!", you tend to gravitate toward the legislative.

Being FER things, though, often involves not getting bogged down in the bureaucratic failures and shortcomings of others. Instead of nitpicking the effort to death, you harness disparate personalities, styles, and agendas to keep it on track. You have to forgive, and prioritize, over and over. Not a legislative forte, where commitment to the process becomes all.

Objective-oriented vs. process-oriented. Executive vs. legislative. "Get it done" vs. "Stop it in its tracks." President, governor, mayor vs. legislature, council.

I think we've seen both parties on both sides, across our history. The current candidate break-out is at least interesting from this perspective.

"Rand"y, GunnyG, skittles, johninoregon
"Rand"y, GunnyG, skittles;

Thanks for the kudos, guys. Much appreciated.

johninoregon;

I'm inclined to agree with you on the Iraq issue. But by all indications, the Federal response to Katrina was not primarily responsible for the problems in New Orleans, as it seemed to work well enough in Mississippi, right next door.

The main problem in New Orleans was, and remains, the incompetence and dishonesty of the local authorities, going right up to Baton Rouge. On the plus side, Governor Kathleen Babineux Blanco is apparently not seeking re-election. (Of course, she could always run for the Senate, unfortunately.) On the minus side, Mayor C. Ray Nagin is still in office, and most likely will remain so. Which means that local conditions in New Orleans will remain roughly as they have been since Huey Long's time. I.E., looking much like New York under the Tammany Hall machine, with some overtones of Chicago under Al Capone and Dutch Schultz.

But of course, they're "entitled" to behave in this manner. With progressives, it's more-or-less traditional. After all, they can always blame the consequences of their antics on those never-to-be-sufficiently d***ed conservatives.

It would almost be worth having the Democratic Party in charge of both the Executive and Legislative branches of the national government, just to see what happens the next time New Orleans gets hit with the inevitable consequences of (a) having the sort of government it seems comfortable with and (b) being built in a highly questionable location to begin with.

Odds are, when the results are the same, the news media will conveniently pretend otherwise. Or just fail to notice.


cheers

eon

Condi Rice has executive experience
Medved's column is correct that being a governor or a Cabinet members provides the executive experience that most voters believe is valuable for a president. Secretary of State Condi was also the Provost of Stanford before she came to Washington DC to work in the executive branch of government. Running the state department means allocating funds for over 5,000 workers who represent our nation around the world on the diplomatic field.

GA, do you understand that Fred Thompson is no longer in the Senate? He is a TV actor now, and has been playing a role now for many years. So what has he done lately? Or maybe you just like his pretty face and how he pretends to be a president in the movies? Yes, Reagan was an actor too, but he served for many years as governor of California before becoming president, so he had the experience our nation needed.

Rich, you can be for Fred, but at least give two reasons why? What does he bring to the political table? What did he accomplish in the Senate? What is his legacy?

I will accept whomever the Republicans select for president, but right now, my choice is Condi Rice. She is in Egypt right now helping our president on the diplomatic efforts to bring stability to the Middle East. Rather than resigning from her post to run for president, she is helping our president get work done.
That is why people like me are working to build support for Condi, it is called a draft movement and the national polls show that Condi Rice gets 10% or higher anytime her name is listed on those polls. Sorry folks, but she is a powerful person who needs to be considered for the 2008 ticket.
Her experience is worth $10 million, her office is a grooming position and thousands of the Republicans see her as presidential materical.

Medved got it right about Cabinet members having executive experience for the Oval Office. It is too early for Condi Rice to resign in order to toss her bonnet into the ring. She can afford to be a "wait-and-see" candidate like Fred and Newt.

Hint, Hint
Interesting that Medved thinks Katrina and the Iraq War (I assume he really means the occupation) showed "distinct hints of incompetence" on the part of the Bush administration. Here's a hint for you, Michael---it was a whole lot more than a hint.

It's too late,...

...we will have to watch the Democrats destroy America before classical conservatives (ne paleo liberals) can save her.

Senators
They all think they are Royalty. It is a step down to only being the President.

Steve? For Fred Thompson
How about Fred Thompson, someone who can get our act together!

Mitt "I'm no bigamist" Romney.
(Not an Italian fog either)

Rudy "Give up your guns" Guiliani.

Hillary "I am not a Beotch" Klintoon.

John "Amnesty for everyone" McCain.

Barack "Elect an empty suit" Obama.

Candidates
I don't like any of the GOP candidates but will be forced to vote for one. This election is extremely important. The democrat's treasonous behavior regarding the war is very troubling. They are willing to hurt our country solely for political gain. It's disgraceful. If they win we will all regret it.

lilly
"responsibility goes hand-in-hand with liberty". Exactly. Conservatives would much rather see to it that YOU learn how to be responsible. Then you don't need a government telling you how to be responsible. Like a parent teaching a child to grow up with the expressed purpose of making that child a mature, thinking, independant adult. That's the point of conservativism: to raise and educate citizens and put them out in society on their own feet. It's not a 'who-cares?' mentality. It's a 'grow-up-and-mature' mentality.

Liberals on the other hand want to help everyone, much the same way a parent wants to jump into every issue their child faces. They believe passing legislation will protect us from ourselves. The problem with this mentality is that it fosters a two-class system with one group playing the role of the parent (the 'haves' or the ones sitting on all the money as EON puts it) and the other group playing the role of the child (the rest of us) being completely dependent on the parent. In their desire to save us from ourselves, liberals imply that we aren't mature or responsible enough to govern - a rather insulting implication. They do nothing to help us grow up because they don't believe we can.

I take the former approach in my classroom. I encourage my students to do the work themselves. I am there to help, but it's not about me. It's about them maturing. I would love nothing more than to work myself out of a job. My goal when I tutor is the same. When I tutor, I try to avoid building a dependance with the student. Otherwise, I am always in the equation. I would rather that the tutoring goes on only until the student is able to carry on independantly. That's what conservatism is all about. Be present, be vigilant, but only insert yourself when needed.

Lilly - Call for Fact Check
You liberals slay me. You demand to be taken at face value on faith and in the absence of factual evidence, no matter what you say. But you insist on substituting your own biased, emotion-laden mental meanderings for any factual evidence you find inconvenient, when presented by conservatives.

Please cite for me one legitimate conservative source that actually advocates for the platform you assigned to them in your post. Can’t do it? Oh that’s right. Liberals don’t need any actual proof or factual evidence for their assertions, because liberals possess the unique ability to look into the hearts of others and know intuitively what really motivates them, and what they really think and feel. With these special powers, factual evidence becomes superfluous.

To the liberal, facts and reasoning are potential tools of manipulation for ulterior purposes, and as such, are best dispensed with altogether. Better to let the superior liberal tell you how you feel, and more importantly, how to live your life, than to run the risk that the people might “do it wrong.” And where government involvement is appropriate (and when is it not, to the liberal), better to have it come from the most remote and least locally accessible level, so as to avoid unnecessary interference from the ignorant little people. Better to turn such matters, such as the way in which to conduct one’s life, over to the self-anointed technical experts.

lilly writes:
lilly writes:
Reading townhall posts, I get the impression that a lot of people who vote Republican feel the same way as that produce guy. They say they want smaller government and less regulation. But what this turns out to mean is that they don't want anyone telling them what they can or can't do, period.
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Lilly, Did you read the history books of the U.S.? Do you understand the system of government we set up?

All the things you listed Republicans don't want, are things the U.S. government was banned from interfering in. Those are, for the most part, state and local issues. What Republicans want is to return the power to the people in the state and local governments. All the things you say Republicans don't want, are wanted by them, but at the state and local level where they can actually conform to the wishes of the people in each community.

If you recall, it was all the laws the "religious right" had that so many have fought against. It was mostly Republicans that wanted laws that regulated morality, ethics, tradition, etc., but at the local level like our founders intended. The majority in each community, county and state working with their state constitution to create a society that fit the people in that part of the nation best.

It is liberals who have tried to make the federal government the "nanny" for all people. Instead of keeping power in the state and local governments, they want to centralize power and destroy the founding principles of our system of government where the lowest level of government is used the most by the people.

The Federal government was only given a few limited powers and social and moral issues weren't among those powers for 150 years until the road to socialism began in force under FDR. It is that move to centralization of power that has caused us to be facing the long recession and crisis Chairman Bernanke, the Social Security Administration and GAO is warning Congress about. Not the social programs, not the help for oppressed, not the goals, but how they are carried out though centralized government.

Republicans want the majority of things Democrats want but, want them to be designed and carried out at the lowest possible level of government and the federal government restricted from infringing on the rights of people in each state, county and community to use their own Constitution to work out their problems and use their resources.

However, many Republicans in Congress have now joined the Democrats in desiring centralized power. Each with their own agenda and goals and thus, neither party is good for this nation's future anymore.

Note that with all the economists and government agencies warning about the coming "train wreck" neither party is reforming anything that is going to cause the collision. Look around the world at all the fastest growing economies and most are ex-socialist nations that have returned to capitalism in some degree or another and are reforming their social program funding and administration.

Even China is moving to personal social security accounts and personal health savings accounts, low taxes for business, pro-business policies and rapid improvement of infrastructure for the people and business. Some things, like new pipelines, rail lines, power plants (40 nuclear power plants in next 15 years) are being built with the massive inflow of dollars from the U.S. consumers and other consumers around the world, so yes, there is a role for centralized government and planning too.

While the Chinese government is totalitarian and controls the "lives" of the people (work or get a prison job), we designed ours to be more flexible where the people in each state could have the freedom to be different from the people in the state next door. So, although China has given the state owned homes to the people and no longer owns them, and has encouraged business ownership and private property ownership (capitalism) they don't grant the personal freedom of speech and religion and other things we do.

Republican don't want that centralized power like China has over the people. Right or wrong, each state's people, withing the restriction of the state constitution and oversight of Congress (not the Courts) provided by the 14th Amendment, should have the right to be "different." Some can be more liberal and some more conservative. But, there should be no "national" force that requires all states be the same on social and moral issues as long as their is equal application and equal protection under each law and they don't violate their State Constitution.

For 150 years the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the States and even today, not all the Bill of Rights have ever been applied to the States. Republicans who hold to the original intent of our founders only want to return to what made this nation so great and powerful and leave what is making it so weak and facing the huge crisis we face. Too bad many Republicans, however, have lost the vision and have joined in using the Federal Government in ways it was never intended to be used.

SEnators vs Governors
I have constantly said that congressmen sould never be Presidents, rhewy do not have any decision experience. All congreemen do is debate, debate, criticize but they never have to make a decision to manage a city or state. Debating is for those who love to hear themselves talk and do nothing but appear on TV and say "how they would do it if they were in charge." They have nothing at risk like the mayor or Governor or President. They have to propose ideas and risk them not being successful, but how many new ideas have congressmen come up with? NONE!!! OH! But can they debate, can they criticize!!!! They are best when on TV.

The Next President
Virginia Patriot & afsarge understand quite well our predicament, but the rest of this great country is still in the dark.
The two parties have figured out how to manipulate the election process so as to assure themselves a virtual lock on power. Because they have convinced us as well as themselves that there is no other choice but them, they have abandoned all pretense of leadership and substituted partisanship. The needs of the nation, respect for the Constitution and rule of law, and the will of the people are of little importance in their struggle for power.
Unfortunately, we have abdicated our responsibility to govern ourselves. We have given over the authority we received from the founding fathers to an elite group of incompetent politicians. We have in essence, sold our birthright for a bowl of porridge, commonly known as entitlements and pork barrell spending.
If, in this next election, we fail to re-assert the rights we have as owners of this nation, we are going to see a further decline in our freedom and way of life. Our historical origins and basic principles are being slowly squeezed in the quest for power by both the Dems & GOP.
Mark these words, IF WE ELECT ANOTHER DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT, WE WILL HAVE IN EFFECT GIVEN OVER OUR LAST CHANCE TO RECLAIM OUR BIRTHRIGHT!!
I urge all of you to visit my website,
joeolivaforpresident.org
In it you will find a call for true leadership that is visionary and not ideological. You will see an alternative to the propaganda put out by both parties to keep power in their hands. The next decade will see America facing unprecedented challenges, and if you believe the current crop of politicians, they will tell you that only they have the wisdom and knowledge to lead! Imagine, they have created a mess because of their lack of leadership, and now they want you to vote for them again! Isn't this what Einstein said was insanity, doing the same thing and expecting different results?
Check out the website, you will not be disappointed, maybe even inspired. I hope so. Thanks, Joe

Chris
I'll do it. But I don't have $40 million dollars to spend on a campaign to run for an office that pays $130,000 or whatever a senator/representative makes these days.

EON hits the nail on the head
Eon's view on Progressives is spot on. I would add that, when it comes to economics, Progressives believe that our economy is finite--like a pie in which some people have more than their share. This means that Bill Gates has taken up most of the pie and nobody else gets to enjoy that money because he has hogged it all up. (They actually do believe that.) Progressives would ensure that no one person, outide of their elite circle, has more than their alloted slice of the economic pie. In other words, everyone, with the exception of the ruling class, must "share the misery."

To the Progressives, taxation is a weapon to be used to bring the great unwashed (you know, Joe Six-pack) into line. Taxation is a means to gain more and more power as they buy the votes of those chained to the government welfare system. If lowering taxes means that more money comes to the governbment in the form of tax revenues, why don't the Progressives maintain lower taxes? Because lower taxes also means more money to individuals and that means those people don't need government benefits, and that means those votes can't be bought.

Americans deserve what they get after an election. Because of a mostly under-educated public, (thanks to a thouroughly inept, unionized, government-funded school system) we now have a Democrat-run Senate and House. We will soon see our incomes shrink due to even more confiscatory taxes as the resdistribution of the wealth mentality kicks in. I have this awful feeling that we will soon see a Democrat president.

If you think you're witnessing a circus in Congress now, wait till you see what happens if we elect Hillary or Obama(a Jesse Jackson acolyte) as president.

But, I could deal with it because after four years of intrusive, oppressive government; after four years of being taxed into the poor house; after four years of "sharing the misery", maybe then we will come to our senses and rebel at the polls like we did after Carter and like we did in 1994.

It's the leadership, stupid...
Something has happened that has reduced the quality of candidates in BOTH Parties. Maybe it's the current climate of "political proctology" that has led people of substance and quality to conclude that public service is just not worth the price.

Or maybe the candidates are just too cautious about being mischaracterized by a media machine looking to “take someone down”. I’m looking for someone – ANYONE – who will be unashamed to point out that high taxes are immoral; that the War on terror includes the war in Iraq; that spending needs to be cut and departments need to be eliminated… and when the news media portrays that person as cruel and ignorant I would LOVE it if they would tell the media to “just shove it”…

But I AM practical. For me, the next election will probably be about ideas and not candidates. I’ll probably end up voting for the LEAST dangerous person/Party or, more accurately, AGAINST the MOST dangerous person/Party.

lilly
[quote]Presumably they also don't want to pay for a fire department because their house isn't on fire. Parks? Why have them? Streets, highways? Municipal hospitals? No answer here: back on the frontier, where their hearts lie, those problems didn't exist, so confusion results.[/quote]

You really should read more about conservatism before you presume things that are so absolutely and utterly false.

Tne person
I think the Peter Principle applies more than "administrative background checks". Harry Truman was an efficient executive despite only serving as a County judge (similar to county executive or commissioner) prior to his legislative experience and less than three months as VP. "W" served two terms as Texas governor and pretty much let himself be coached by Mr. Bullock, a Democrat. Wilson was Governor of New Jersey and brought his Ivory Tower professorial style to the White House. FDR was a supposedly conservative politician as Governor of New York, and campaigned as such, then about-faced to govern the nation as a radically socialistic President. Garfield was a Congressman, but never had a chance to demonstrate his executive style. All this goes to prove that what counts more than background work experience is the candidate's inner person and knack of rising to the task assigned. I call it "Capacity". I believe only Duncan Hunter, of all the candidates, has the capacity to perform as President in the these troubling times.He is not Reagan, and doesn't pretend to be. But he is the best Presidential candidate since Ronald Reagan.

afsarge
"Maybe we need to end career politicians, and maybe then we will get someone who cares more about governing according to the constitution than party guidelines."

My sentiments exactly! Rather than focusing on serving the public, our public servants are intenton creating small kingdoms throughout our country (on the road to an eventual reign as "queen mother/grandmother"of the House)

If these senators and representatives had to work a five-day week, pay for their health insurance, and not have unlimited staffing and office expense accounts and a future lifetime income in retirement that is NOT commensurate with their efforts, they wouldn't even desire to run. What a piece of cake!

My thoughts are that ALL congressional representatives be elected for NO LONGER THAN TWO TERMS! Forget all these "senior" reps who think all they should be doing is feeding their home territories with as many big$$ projects as possible. That is not "for the good" of our country. Of course, we in Massachusetts have our star "two-terms-only" representative, Marty Meehan, who when his second term was up said, oh no, I didn't mean it - I've decided to run again!!! And then he ups and leaves to take another government (this time state) position. What leeches!!! They wouldn't know how to apply for a real job that demanded accountability. If you are a Democrat, come to Massachusetts, get elected to the state house, and then go on to further state appointments such as UMASS president and you, too, can retire at close to $200k as Billy Bulger has! And his record speaks for itself...not very honorably to say the least!

Our country needs a true conservative Republican leader - this column very accurately pinpoints the major difference between the parties. Thank you!

RUN, FRED, RUN!

Request for Assistance
Even though Michael Medved is relatively popular, I persist in thinking he's one of the most-underestimated columnists on TH. He's invariably good.

I'm soliciting suggestions for a continuing series on my blog (click on name above) that deals with campaign slogans for all presidential candidates. From my childhood, I remember "I like Ike" and Goldwater's "In your heart, you know he's Right." I don't have any that good yet, but my first one appeared today: "Dennis Kucinich for President: Why Not a Dwarf?" My second, almost Ike-like one will appear tomorrow: "Yo Mama Loves Obama!"

So far, so good, but . . . Fred Thompson? Mitt Romney? Mike Gravel? Yikes. Help. Put your suggestions in my blog's comments section or e-mail me at TalkTop65@aol.com. Thanks, this should be fun for all.

steve

Do-nothing congress
Seriously, what is it that people in Congress actually do? A senator or congressman can spend a career up there in DC and never accomplish a thing (i.e., Kerry, Murtha, et al). That's why congressional experience means nothing. A governor or cabinet official actually has to roll up his sleeves and make policy -- he has to put himself out on a limb at some point, but a member of Congress can hide among the other 534 for years, and emerge only to make sound bites for the media. How on earth does being in Congress prepare anyone for anything other than the banquet circuit or a teaching post at some law school?

"America is a Free Country"
My town has a lot of mama-and-papa produce stores run by first-generation immigrants. Usually they offer better quality and prices than found in supermarkets. One day last summer I went into one of these fruit stores, attracted by a sign on the window "Bing Cherries $1.99 lb". When I got inside, I found that the only Bing cherries there cost $5.99 lb.. Incensed, I located the manager and read him the riot act about advertising what he did not, in fact, sell. "In the United States you can't do this," I explained. Then he gave me the punch line: "Lady, America is a free country. I can do anything I want to."

Reading townhall posts, I get the impression that a lot of people who vote Republican feel the same way as that produce guy. They say they want smaller government and less regulation. But what this turns out to mean is that they don't want anyone telling them what they can or can't do, period. They don't like seat belts or traffic lights or speed limits or helmet laws. They want to smoke, and they want to smoke everywhere. They not only want to eat and drink anything they may impulsively crave, but they even resent having manufacturers write on the carton how many calories and grams of fat the item has. They want to buy medications over the counter on their own say-so---after all, doctors are just shills for pharmaceutical companies.

They want the freedom not to send their children to school, and then to determine, single-handedly, what their children will be taught. They want authority to be the ultimate authority in all things.

But always, first and foremost, they don't want to pay taxes. They despise all entitlements (until, of course, it's time to collect their share, then, guess what, they don't refuse). They don't want to pay for public transportation on the argument that they drive their own car. Presumably they also don't want to pay for a fire department because their house isn't on fire. Parks? Why have them? Streets, highways? Municipal hospitals? No answer here: back on the frontier, where their hearts lie, those problems didn't exist, so confusion results.

"America is a free country" doesn't mean "I can do anything I want to do". Responsibility goes hand-in-hand with liberty.

gunnyg
Yes, and the rest of the party got a bad case of cowardice. Too afraid to stand up the the left, too afraid to speak the truth, too afraid to tell the American public what they actually believe in and the truth about the big issues. they sat back and allowed the dems to dominate issues like social security, and then nothing got done. Why can't they simply tell the people the truth about this program and many others like it? Its right there on the SS website for crying out loud, and still they cower and refuse to speak up. So we end up w/ a failing system and empty promises. As if we can't do simple math and figure it out, that eventually, the money will run out. Why didn't they ever bother eliminating all the useless gov't programs that are not constitutional? I think all of congress should be required to read what that old document actually says.

afsarge
We got overrun by RINOs is why the GOP is nothing more than Dhimmicrat-lite at the moment. We need to rise up and banish these vermin to the hinterlands, or the Dhimmicrat party where they belong.

Case-in-Point. Arnold the Verminator as a Republican? Married to a Kennedy? Yeah. I'm Napoleon too.

the difference
I'm still looking for the difference in the parties once they arrive in D.C. The republicans had 6 years to implement some conservative changes to the size of gov't, and they did nothing. I like Bush on some things, but I can't agree w/ him on the immigration issue, or the excessive spending. Maybe we need to end career politicians, and maybe then we will get someone who cares more about governing according to the constitution than party guidelines. I know liberals think the war is why the republicans lost seats, but I think it has more to do with our disgust at the lack of action in dealing w/ the illegal immigration problem. I have an idea, how about bringing back the Contract w/ America?

Cheers Eon
You said it all and very elegantly. Nothing more need be said. The mind picture at the end is particularly eloquent.

Ga
You raise an excellent point. In 2008, I believe it is time for the GOP to nominate a senator (Fred Thompson), rather than a governor. If/when he is elected, the results will be far superior to the two most recent times the dhimmi-cRATS nominated and elected governors rather than senators.

As a matter of fact, one of those dim gov's was from Ga, wasn't he?

melred
You really can't count JFK since Daddy Joe, Mayor Daley, and mobster Sam Giancana bought the 1960 POTUS seat for him.

ACHTUNG MEIN HERRS UN HERREN!
Now that I have your UNDIVIDED attention, I've posted an article on my blog, PLUS some funny pics.

TOP article today is one on Gun Grabber Dianne Feinstein who passed 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS in government contracts to TWO COMPANIES her hubby owned! Ooops. Can we say, Randy Cunningham?

So far, the Senate Ethics and the MSM has totally ignored it.

America's Future

These next 2 years are vital to the future of this country. For 2007 we must make certain that McCain/Kennedy or whatever it's called this year does not pass the House. It will pass the Senate. The President will sign it, followed by the Totalization Treaty with Mexico, which qualifies former illegals with just 6 qtrs(18 mo) even if worked illegally, the benefits that we had to work 40 qtrs(10 yrs) to qualify for.

In 2008 we must make the candidates address border security and immigration enforcement.
20-30 million citizens of other countries are in our country illegally, 55% from Mexico, most of the rest from other Central and South American countries. Let's not ignore the leftward voting trends of these countries. It is notable that they picked May Day, an old communist day of celebration for their marches.

Most polls show at least half of the American citizens of Hispanic descent want the borders and laws enforced. Republicans will not win by alienating their current voters to get 40% of a new small block that will grow very large, very fast if amnesty is granted. That will grow the Democrats vote larger and faster as the influx increases exponentially as the result of another amnesty. It will spell the end of the Republican Party. The people who used to vote Republican will stop voting or form a new party. Conservatives will lose political influence and we will slide inexorably towards socialism (it has already started).

Most of what you hear about this issue is political propaganda that tries to convince you to give up your country without a fight, including on Fox News. The big money players are all on board the cheap labor express, they care not that American citizens do not want another amnesty. We know the last one resulted in 10 times the number of illegal aliens and a general disregard of our laws. The next one will be equally successful.

We need Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement, not reform. We need to restore respect for the law and the faith of the American people that their government is not selling them out. Amnesty for the illegal aliens is also amnesty for the corrupt companies who have been employing them. Money trumps everything, including love of country. Multi-nationals have no loyalty to country by definition, they see us as a market, not a nation. They see people as workers, documented or undocumented, no difference. If they can't send the work to where the labor is cheaper, then they want to bring the cheap labor here. Citizenship is meaningless.

If we love our Constitution and our representative Republic and we intend to keep it we must not surrender our sovereignty or abandon the rule of law. Profits must not supercede security. We should not create a new path to citizenship. We have a path to citizenship, more generous than any other country, illegal aliens have ignored it and bad choices do have consequences.

Medved concludes with segue
"If, however, they’re convinced that they’re in personal peril, threatened by out-of-control economic and international forces that require aggressive governmental initiatives to counteract them, they will probably choose “The Senator Party.” also the republicans...Fred Thompson



Experience counts
The ability to organize and run a successful enterprise should not be over-looked.

More troubling than the absence of executive experience is the absence of business experience. Career politicians are like liberal college professors: the pay check comes in every other week, irrespective of how well or poorly they perform. If they need more pay, the solution is to raise taxes.

Businessmen understand that raising taxes is not the solution, but more efficiency and more productivilty.

This is why I prefer Romney. Some may say he has changed his positions. Yet his personal life-style is indicative of solid, social conservatism. What may have changed is his assessment of what public policy ought to be. He's a relative novice in government (only four years experience). But what can't be argued is that he has taken unsuccessful, troubled enterprises and turned them around. His flexibility and innovation and willingness to think outside the box have made him successful, and can hopefully have a similar impact in government.

Executive experience counts, but a better measuring device is competence in capitalism.

think again
Since the end of WW2 (and probably all of 20th century) regardless of the party the president has most frequently come from a state house or vice presidentancy. JFK is a notable exception. It seems to me that the voting public prefers executive experience over that of the Senate.

Who says
"Democrats view government as a powerful change agent, not a threat to privacy or prosperity"?

Powerful change agent? Absolutely. Democrats view government as a weapon to to force change upon society, whether the people who actually live in that society want the change or not. In that respect, Medved is absolutely correct.

Which brings us to the "threat to privacy or prosperity" part. As a general rule, self-styled "progressives" hate both. "Privacy" implies that somebody is doing something without their knowledge and/or permission. And as for "prosperity", they regard that as "somewhere, someone has something that we did not give them permission to have". Both equal "individualism", which is anathema to the progressive mindset. To them, people exist only as components of "classes", arbitrarily-designated groups which exist solely for the "progressives" to manipulate to their own ( the progressives') benefit, by alternatively granting or withholding privileges, usually capriciously.

The primary difference between the two mindsets is that progressives assume that, being the "elite'", they are inherently and irrefutably wiser, nicer, and just generally "better" than everyone else, and are thus entitled to rule- the basic mindset of medieval nobility. Conservatives generally operate on the principle that they are not necessarily smarter than the average Joe (or Jane). As a result, they generally prefer government that does no more than absolutely necessary, as per Thomas Jefferson's dictum. Progressives see this as a "cop-out", as per Jerry Brown's dictum. After all, by their standards, "People are dumb, panicky animals", to quote "Agent K's" dictum. (See "Men In Black", almost the perfect "progressive" movie.)

Or in plain English, the only "privacy" and "prosperity" that progressives are in favor of is for themselves. Which means that their end goal is to (in private) sit on a pile of money they took away from everyone else, and light up a fatty.


cheers

eon

Dave, I think
that your wife's program may be on to something where the District is concerned!

Degenerative Changes, indeed!

Oops
"The GOP looks for an outsider that will march into degenerative changes and change the place."


"degenerative changes" is supposed to be DC. My wife's medical terminology abbreviation program is on.


Ah yes
The GOP looks for an outsider that will march into degenerative changes and change the place.

Except this last time around, dc changed the former Texan...

Don't look for any different outcome from the man from NYC either. And as much as Romney has wavered, he may as well be in dc already.
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