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Wednesday, April 18, 2007
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
Most mass transit riders in 50 years: Good news or bad?
by Michael Medved
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A few weeks ago I noticed a startling story in the “Money” section of USA TODAY.

The main head announced purportedly good news: RIDERS CROWD PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEMS, and then came that surprising subhead: HIGHEST USE SINCE THE 1950’s AT MORE THAN 10 BILLION TRIPS.

Sure enough, the body of the article explained that the American Public Transportation Association reported that ridership rose in 2006 some 2.9%, to reach the highest levels since 1957.

Did you know that there were more people using mass transit during the ‘40’s and early ‘50’s than there are today? I most certainly did not. This is an astonishing revelation when you think about it.

First of all, the population of the country was barely half what it is today—and yet more people rode mass transit.

Moreover, during the last 50 years we’ve poured literally hundreds of billions of dollars into the most expensive, glitzy, ambitious mass transit projects in history--- BART in San Francisco, MARTA in Atlanta, MetroRail in LA, plus impressive new projects in Minneapolis, Portland and Washington DC, and nearly everywhere else. With all these elaborate new systems, with high-tech buses, with propaganda about global warming and government policies designed to force you out of your car, it’s astonishing to think that more people used mass transit when America had half the people it has today – and none of the high-tech, new rapid transit systems.

No, we didn’t use buses and subways more frequently in the long-ago ‘50’s because the service was better: by most measures, it wasn’t as good, the buses weren’t as comfortable, and some of the huge systems we enjoy today didn’t even exist.

There was only one reason that more people used buses and trains in those days ---and that was because they were relatively poor, and couldn’t afford to own or operate their own cars.

As recently as 1960, Americans owned less than 400 cars per one thousand population: many families had no cars at all, and owning more than one car per household represented a privileged rarity. Today, we possess more than 800 cars per 1000 population – approaching one car for every man, woman and child, with two or three vehicles in a typical family.

Of course, many social planners and environmentalists want us give up all those gas guzzlers and get back on the bus like we did fifty years ago. But the change in automobile ownership still gives some indication of the vast distance traveled by ordinary Americans in their journey toward wealth, choices, and personal freedom.

Despite the endless whining to the effect that “we’ve never had it so bad,” the number of citizens who own their own homes has soared from barely 50% in 1950 to 70% today, and the typical home itself is more than 50% larger than fifty years ago. In 1950, 24% of homes didn’t have flush toilets, and less than 2% had air conditioning. Today, virtually 100% of the places we live enjoy flush toilets (what a relief) and more than 80% of homes boast air conditioning.

It would be easy to continue in this vein, but you surely get the idea: in terms of options, conveniences, comforts, material blessings, opportunities, no generation in the history of the world has lived as lavishly as this generation of Americans.

I recently spent a weekend in Louisville, Kentucky and ended up staying in the same Hyatt hotel as literally hundreds of competitors in a National Indoor Archery Championship. Normal middle class Americans traveled from every corner of the map, carrying their high tech bows in formidable cases – as if they were toting cellos or French horns. Somehow, these ordinary salt-of-the-earth folk could travel to Louisville, stay in a gorgeous hotel, and pursue a sport that they loved with amazingly complicated and ingenious rigs for putting arrows into targets.

I’ve also recently visited both Las Vegas and Disneyland – neither vacation attraction limited to the rich or the near-rich. Millions of Main Street Americans can save up their money and choose their destinations – enjoying the kind of comfort and elegance and adventure that our grandparents or even our parents could scarcely imagine.

When I grew up, we never stayed in hotels – partially because with four boys my late, long-suffering mother understood her kids might wreck any facility. When we went on vacation together, we invariably went camping – because that was cheap, virtually free. I’ve spoken to many products of similar families from the 1950’s and ‘60’s, where hard-working parents with the Depression mentality couldn’t consider wasting money on restaurants of expensive getaways.

There are many other measures of greatness, of course, beyond material well-being --- and the generations that beat Hitler and later Communism certainly deserve gratitude for the achievements, even though they lived far less comfortable, far more circumscribed lives.

Think about the cruise ship industry: hundreds of thousands of Americans can get away in every season of the year and enjoy the sort of treatment, complete with lavish meals and entertainment, which only royalty enjoyed in the past. For a shockingly low price, retirees and young couples and everything in between can pick up an amazing Alaska cruise in downtown Seattle and sail among glaciers and pods of whales. Middle class families that couldn’t afford to drive cars to work some fifty years ago, now can afford to ride gleaming luxury liners on vacation.

For many of us, it’s worth the effort to try to defend these astonishing, unprecedented opportunities. It isn’t necessarily good news that so-called “environmentalists” and various governmental planners have succeeded in driving more Americans onto mass transit than any time in the last fifty years. Giving up your car and getting on the bus may win commendation from Al Gore, but it does represent a lowered standard of living: sacrificing the independence of taking your own wheels to work. Fifty years ago, mom and dad or grandpa and grandma understand that a country that enabled more people to drive their own cars was a country with a rising living standard; today, as liberals try to push people out of those cars, they ought to be honest enough to acknowledge that they’re talking about lowering living standards.

The left argues that the threat of global climate change requires precisely such diminished levels of comfort and opportunity, but when people comes to understand these long-term goals they’ll hardly see the reduced array of choices for ordinary Americans as a development that’s actually worth celebrating.

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Define Standard of Living
I knew when I saw the heading of this article I would be reading a conservative harangue against public transportation, and the article doesn't disappoint. Getting on the bus represents a lowered standard of living? I drove my private automobile 30 miles each way to work between job and suburban home for 30 years. That's something like 12,000 hours of my life sitting alone in a car in traffic, and it doesn't count the thousands of additional hours spent doing errands, ferrying children, picking up husband at airport, and all the other reasons for driving.

At the very end of that time, for several years I had a job I could go to on public transportation. No traffic. No hassle. No screwball other drivers with road rage. No huge gas bills. Plus, I could get hours of reading and work done as I traveled. The comparison was dramatic. Life without a car was more pleasant.

This isn't about Al Gore---it's about a truly civilized way of living. Here's a comparison: at most US airports, the only way to get anywhere is to rent a car and drive there. At most European airports, state-of-the-art public transportation will whisk you not just into the city but to other cities as well. Try Switzerland. You can fly into Zurich and the airport has its own train station just down the escalator---you can then go anywhere on the continent, without driving. You can hop on a European train and go anywhere from anywhere---quick, clean, easy, and cheap, no parking problem or expense, no worry about theft from the trunk. And the trains are met by buses and boats whose schedules articulate with the train's arrival. Everything works for the benefit and convenience of people, rather than to enrich the oil companies. It's not clear to me how this represents a lower standard of living than driving.


Right On, Lily
I live in Portland, where we have a wonderful light-rail system linking large parts of the city, as well as street cars and buses whisking people through a vibrant downtown. That's quality of life. We know and we are proud of it.

The notion that spending substantial amounts of time sitting alone in a barely-moving gas-guzzling SUV represents a high state of civilization is bizarre, to say the least. Like most of the other things that Medved describes in his article as marks of progress, that spectacle is just a short-term manifestation of a cheap-oil culture that is rapidly drawing to a close.

johninoregon
You forgot to mention the tram. 63 milliom dollars, 41 million over budjet. 3/4 mile, 3 miles by car or bus. could have saved 62 million by using two buses. The citiy that works, HA HA
Light rail that breaks down constantly, people getting stuck downtown for hours, A trip from my home by light rail and bus to downtown portland would take 2 hour, I can drive it in 30 minutes.
Must be great for you, I bet you live downtown.

More Riders in the 40s and 50s...
because you could get most everywhere in the country by rail or bus then. GM lost a federal antitrust lawsuit for buying up the trolly lines in LA and shutting them down,of course the case took 20 years and the penalty was a slpa on the wrist. The Interstate highway system was built,under Eisenhower with federal money,the original spending bill was called the Defense Highways spending act.This was military spending.Corporate socialism.For a while driving your own car was clearly preferable,but as traffic gets more horrendous,parking and gas more expensive,mass transit looks more and more attractive.In the 50w through the 70s we tore up the best railway system in the world.Most of which was built on land taken by military force and made available to private concerns.

mass transit
Only works when it is door to door, faster than private transport. It is an historical analomy; most transportation in most times and places was pretty small scale. The train, later bus and airplane works when it faster than the alternatives.
I remember the bus when I was growing up in Spokane, when Dad had the only car during the day, so if Mom and I went downtown, we walked a couple of blocks to a bus stop, waited for the bus, walked store to store or office downtown, waited for a bus to go home, walked home from the bus, carrying whatever we were bringing home. This often in snow and heat. Better than walking, but not better than driving.

Free to choose?
Medved's misplaced rantings about how meddlsome social planners want to steal your vehicle freedom aside, the fact that last year historic numbers of Americans took mass transit means mass transit is becoming a viable alternative to frittering your life away in a traffic jam. As a conservative, Medved should rejoice that consumers now face a broader range of alternatives, no matter what the market.

Instead, Medved argues that modern Americans are enriched by the "choice" to own and operate their own automobiles, thus freeing them from the supposed tyrrany of public transportation. It is certainly true today's citizens are richer than their parents, and who can deny that universal ownership of such amenities as washing machines, air conditioning and indoor plumbing is desireable, and a sign of progress.

Inasfar as our decision to acquire such conveniences is the result of free agents optimizing their happiness by choosing goods from a competetive market, the development is laudable. But as Sam and Lilly point out, most Americans don't really have a choice at all in the matter. And this is not because of some mysterious market equlibrium where too few Americans have historically wanted to take buses and trains, making it non-viable for the weird minority who still desired to do so. Public transportation was systematically suppressed, downgraded and dismantled by a coalition of industry and government. In scores of our great scities across the nation, between 1936 and 1950 GM led a consortium of companies to dismantle our nation's streetcar system. Check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy

Whether you belive the conspiracy or not, the fact is most modern Americans really DON'T have a choice of how to get to work. Our only real choice is whether we want to waste our lives in traffic sitting in a compact or a four-wheeler, and that's a choice of cosmetics not substance. Insofar as more of us now enjoy a substantive choice in how we move between work, play and home, Medeved should rejoice. After all, more citizens choosing the bus or train means fewer hours wasted in traffic for him and other nincompoops who reflexively swear by private motorism, regardless of the costs and alternatives!

If you don't have anything to carry
I am moving uptown because Big Nanny won't allow me to move up in class in this neighbourhood (can't spend more than 40% of my income on rent, NO NO!) and if you think it's entertaining to carry piles of packing boxes and materials home on the subway EVERY NIGHT, you're dreaming. Recently my photographer friend had the experience of lugging $30,000 worth of photography equipment on the LA transit system during rush hour because the series he was covering allocated parking only to Big Shots.

People swamp the streetcars with huge double-wide baby carriages, bicycles, shopping carts, luggage, cellos, hockey gear, and tool boxes, all of them competing with you and your armload of belongings. And let's not even talk about the "morbidly obese" who jam you into six inches of space so their huge heinies can envelop the narrow seat -- and the 90% of people enveloped in the World of One, who won't get up to let you out of your seat at your stop, and then have a fit when your backpack, briefcase and lunch bag hit them in the face...and the smirking Black kids who deliberately block the exits under the impression that you're too frightened of being Politically Incorrect to shove them out of the way.

Finally, here in Toronto we have at least one suicide per week from throwing himself in front of a subway train at rush hour, and this week the train was shut down all morning because a Victim of Exclusion stabbed someone to death overnight and the police could not get started on the crime scene until 6:30 a.m. (RUSH HOUR).

Throw into that mix the fun of waiting in the rain and snow for overloaded buses and streetcars -- the fact that one broken down streetcar or one that has been rammed by an inattentive driver can shut the entire line down -- and the frequent systemwide strikes, and you've got the answer to why you're oniy going pry most of us out of our cars by confiscating them...and you're going to end up dead if you try.

The misery of mass transit
I blogged on this once. I'll copy and paste the most salient points. Curious souls can Google for the original.

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Most large cities are fairly sprawled; subway or light rail can account for some of mass transit, as in Dallas County, but the vast bulk must rely on buses.

This is significant. It means that most mass transit systems are SLOW. Buses make repeated stops; that takes a tremendous amount of time off the commute. When I relied on Dallas Area Rapid Transit (so much for truth in advertising) to go to work, I had to leave the apartment at 8:30 PM catch the 409 bus at about 8:40 PM to get to work at a few minutes before the shift started at 10:00 PM. I had to leave home an hour and a half before work to make a TWELVE MILE COMMUTE.

Relying solely on mass transit limits one's shopping choices. Not all the stores you want to visit are conveniently placed along bus routes. And try getting on a bus after buying some furniture from Wal-Mart.

Then there's the weather. How many of these mass transit hawks ever had to walk 150 yards through a driving rain, wait several minutes for the bus to show up, and then walk two blocks through that rain from the destination bus stop to work? Or stand in subfreezing weather waiting for the bus that's running 30-45 minutes behind schedule because of the icy roads? One should be able to go to work on a rainy day without having to pack a change of shoes, and winter commutes shouldn't have to require ski pants.

And then there's transferring buses. Sometimes transfer waits are almost 30 minutes. That's more time taken out of your day, and more time stuck standing in inclement weather.

If you rely on the city bus to get around, you are a slave to someone else's schedule. It is a helpless feeling.

Leverage your choices for efficiency
Our extended family in NJ & Staten Island of six has five cars, a pickup and a big conversion van... And guess what? From time to time, we rely on mass transit, especially when driving into Center City (Philly) or Manhattan?

Why?

Depending on the time of day and the destination, with the network of regional buses and park & ride lots, it's just more efficient!

No $26 bills for garage parking, no tunnel or bridge traffic, no dealing with overloaded infrastructure that desperately needs expanding -- Though the Defecrat politicians steal the money as fast as the Feds pour it in; yada yada yada...


Private sector mass transit: Profitable!
Incidentally, I've seen here in the central NJ (Raritan Valley) area how the private sector is profiting from regional bus service into Manhattan. My fianceé has a choice of buses in the morning & afternoon to Wall Street:
http://www.academybus.com/Upload/PDFs/route_40.pdf
http://www.academybus.com/messages.asp?mes=24

...where the bus motors around the Sayreville area for just 15 minutes, filling up as it goes along; then heads on up for the hour trip to Wall Street... All for about $12 per round trip. Given that the toll for the Holland Tunnel is $6 alone, Academy Bus is providing a good service... And not only turning a handsome profit, but also expanding, with a $2500 bounty for new drivers!
http://www.academybus.com/messages.asp?mes=41

Viva the marketplace!


Choices
g_gaisford writes: "Whether you belive the conspiracy or not, the fact is most modern Americans really DON'T have a choice of how to get to work."

Actually, we DO have a choice. And most of us have chosen to live some distance from our places of employment.

When I got my first "real" job in the Washington, DC area, I got an apartment about 4 blocks from my office and 3 blocks from a Metro station. I walked, and my husband took the Metro. We had one car that we drove on weekends. Then we decided children would be in our future, and we realized that while urban life was okay for young professionals, we wanted a house where a crying baby wouldn't anger the neighbors, a yard with a swingset and sandbox, and schools without metal detectors. Since we didn't have several million $$ lying around in an offshore bank, we bought a second-hand Escort and moved to the suburbs instead.

It's called a "trade-off." It seems most people would rather have more space and a longer commute than vice versa -- and they've voted that way with their wheels. That's why more people now live in suburban areas than urban ones.

As for the use of public transportation in the 40's and 50's, the country had just come through WWII when production of private vehicles all but stopped. It was a supply issue. As the supply of private cars increased, the use of public transportation decreased.




When Lilly writes
her diatribe, it easily becomes clear she is a frustrated liberal when she blames everything about transportation as benefiting rich oil companies. Isn't that the mantra of the Democrats against George W. Bush? When are the libs going to understand that oil companies are not the problem? Lilly's whole post made sense until she showed her true colors by blasting oil companies. Without oil companies, where would we be with what keeps our economy running. People like Lilly are fools. And, Alan K. Henderson shows his ignorance by blasting public tranportation. Yes, it takes more time, that's obvious, but the convenience is there and so what if you have to start earlier, you can get more work done while the bus or train gets you where you want to go. If every one of Henderson's complaints were solved, he'd still find something else to complain about. God, some people are never satisfied. Ninety percent of people who take public transportation rave about it.

Towards a Level Playing Field
Mr Medved Writes:
"....during the last 50 years we’ve poured literally hundreds of billions of dollars into the most expensive, glitzy, ambitious mass transit projects in history--- BART in San Francisco, MARTA in Atlanta, MetroRail in LA, plus impressive new projects in Minneapolis, Portland and Washington DC, and nearly everywhere else."

And then goes on to imply what a waste of public money this was and we should all drive cars instead.

How can Michael and everyone else who feels that way be blind to the fact, while there sit in their car or SUV feeling all independent and self-sufficient their are perched atop an ungodly huge, stupendously intricate and all-pervasive, and fantastically EXPENSIVE transportation infrastructure that was built virtually exclusively with local, state, and federal public funds??

I'll bet the money we've spent on mass transit over the past 50 years is TINY compared to the amount of money we've spent on road building, road cleaning/plowing/maintenance, traffic police, motor vehicle departments, and everything else associated with the automobile in that same period.

Some posters to this thread like our public transit system, others don't like it. I suggest that it works as best as can be expected from a neglected step-child transit system that, here in the Philadelphia area anyway, has to beg for every begrudgingly-bestowed penny while untold tons of money pour over the highways and roads.

So Flaming Liberal Guy
how would you manage to take a cello, a baby carriage and a child with his hockey gear on a streetcar at rush hour and drop the baby at daycare, the child at hockey practice, and get yourself to the orchestra where you work, within the time period required -- and then pick them all up at rush hour that night?

How could you possibly design a transit system that would work for this?

I prefer mass transit
What I find hilarious is that conservatives are always talking about the breakdown of society, and then turn right around and harp about the rights of the individual. So, let's see. How do we build a better society? By praising the right of everybody to sit in their private cars, zoning out to the radio, while they look at the sea of cars in front of them and crawl along at an inch an hour. Yep, that's progress. And Virginia Lady was right. We talk about a crumblilng society, then move out to the burbs so we can have our own house, hopefully don't have to get to know the neigbors, and can spend all our time in traffic jams on the way to work. Again, that's progress for you.

I live in Europe, and let me tell you, it's wonderful being able to take mass transit everywhere. Yes, it is sometimes inconvenient. Sometimes it stinks to have to rely on somebody's else's schedule. Sometimes I miss having a car like I did in America, and being able to go wherever I want, whenever I want. But you know what? We only live 20 minutes away from the center of the town, so if there's no bus handy I just walk. I have gotten far more excercise over here than I ever did in the States.

My husband commutes everyday to another city in our car. He always comes home and complains about the traffic, other rude drivers, etc. All I can say to him is, "Poor thing." My journey to work is pretty relaxing because I take the bus.

Washington Metro
Now, Washington DC has a nice urban transit system. Clean, fast, convient, safe, cheap for the rider, etc. Also highly subsidized. What other cities can afford such an extravagance? Who wouldn't use such a system for simply going to and from work - especially if there is a station in the basement of your building or a tunel from the station to your building (or even a block away)? Few government employees have to walk more than a block or so outdoors to reach their office. Yes, if all rapid transit systems were like the Washington Metro, people would use them. However, Metro does not preclude the need for a car. Look at the park and ride lots. Many people must still travel by their car to the station and then catch the Metro for DC.

g_gaisford
Read your own reference, dufus! The Wikipedia article you referenced admits that streetcars were on their way out, for several reasons that had nothing to do with GM's attempt to buy them all up. If they were profitable, the owners wouldn't have sold them, at least not at prices at which GM could have afforded to buy up so many. Why is it that GM bought up only ONE of Los Angeles's TWO streetcar lines, but BOTH got dismantled. Surely you can't blame GM for dismantling a streetcar system it didn't even own!

Americans love freedom! Automobiles give us that freedom. We can go where we want, when we want, without having to depend on a bus that runs on its own schedule, takes 4 times as long, and drops us off half a mile from where we want to be. Sure, in some places, mass transit makes more sense. And in those places, mass transit is profitable. And where it isn't profitable, it sure as hell shouldn't be subsidized by tax dollars. You see, dufus, taxes are anti-freedom.

I'm from a rural area in central Louisiana. We couldn't ride the bus into town to buy groceries. And even if we could, it would be a real pain to have to carry all those groceries home on the damned bus. But that affects urban and suburban dwellers as well. There's no way in hell you can carry enough groceries on a bus or subway to feed a family of 4 for a week, so unless you want to go grocery shopping EVERY DAMNED DAY, cars make sense.

Mass transportation is fine for commuting to work. I do it myself. First on the subway, then on the train, and now on a vanpool. Traffic is a nightmare in DC and Northern VA, and when you get into town 3 hours after you leave home, then you have to pay $20 to park. But, however I get to work, I have to first make it to Fredericksburg (for vanpool or train). That's 25 miles. How do you propose I get there, genius? Walk? I would have to leave my house at 10 pm to get there by 6 am. Except I wouldn't even be home yet by 10 pm. Or, maybe I should ride the bus to Fredericksburg. Good idea, except the only bus that comes anywhere near my home (5 miles away) doesn't run until the afternoon. Or maybe we should all just follow your example and live in or near the city! There's an idea. Except you jackasses have bought up all the property and imposed "green" rules and "anti-urban sprawl" legislation that make it prohibitively expensive, if not physically impossible, to buy a house there (but drive your own property values through the roof). So you force us out into the sticks (not that we mind that so much), then b!tch about us driving cars to work. You can keep your damned city. Just leave me and my pickup alone.

Regards,
Trevor

Flaming Liberal Multiculturalist
You make a point that contruction and maintenance of highways and roads costs more than that for public transportation. I don't know if that's true or not. First, you're not considering the fact that much of that "public transportation" USES those rodes and hiqhways. In fact, I would daresay that a majority of highway construction near urban areas over the last 10 years has been SPECIFICALLY for mass transportation (High-Occupancy Vehicle lanes).

But all that aside, even if it's true that the amount spent by governments on public transportation is a tiny fraction of what they spend on highways and roads, you are ignoring a very important point. The money that the government spends on roads and highways is generated by a fuel tax. This places the COST of building and maintaining roads and highways squarely on the shoulders of those who USE them. And in a fairly close approximation of the degree to which the users use them.

Public transportation charges fares to their riders, but in almost every case, governments subsidize the systems using general revenues. The share of fares vs general revenues varies from system to system, sometimes less than 10%, other times over 90%. This means that people who NEVER RIDE public transportation have to share in the COST of public transportation. Now the case can be made that, in some cases, the people who pay for public transportation but don't use it DO receive a benefit from it (less traffic on the roads) and that's a valid point, IN SOME CASES, but not when over half the cost of public transportation comes out of the general revenue. In any event, however, FREEDOM requires that commuters be given the choice not only between different methods of getting where they're going, but also whether to PAY for those methods they're not using. Public transportation, in most cases, denies them that choice, and is therefore anti-freedom.

Regards,
Trevor

uwcharlie doesn't get it
Read my comment again. I said that depending on mass transit is a miserable experience. It has one advantage - not having to buy a car. The disadvantages are enormous - tripling commute time (I have no chores that can be accomplished during commutes), limited choices as to where to shop, long periods of time standing in inclement weather, being forced to budget time around a transit schedule.

I took the bus because I had to. I couldn't afford a car at the time. Sometimes the resources you have to depend on are unpleasant. Mind-numbing jobs, tiny apartments, exasperating and convoluted bus routes. The American Dream is to get out of poverty and to graduate to better resources.

Now, if the light rail went directly to my place of work, going to the park-and-ride and commuting to work would be sensible. But in a spread-out place like the Dallas-Fort Worth area, only a small percentage of employers are accessible that way. Relying on the bus to get to DFW Airport (when one lives on that route) also makes sense.

I did some checking - if I had to rely on the bus today to my current place of employment - which is only SIX MILES AWAY - I'd still have to get to the bus stop an hour and a half before work.

Mass transit
It's pretty well documented that "something" went on in LA in the late 1930s that dismantled the Pacific Electric system. What that was, whether it was nefarious or just business, is open to discussion.

In the 1930s through the 1950s, it was possible to go coast to coast on what were called interurban transit systems. These were trollys that went between Indianapolis and Columbus, for example. You wouldn't want to go coast to coast doing this, but you could. There were a lot of interurban transit systems that ranged as far as 50 or 75 miles into the rural areas, and I think the Pittsburgh system still does.

The truth is that as we develop mass transit that is affordable, efficient and comfortable, people will use it. Maybe not everyone, but at least some of the people. The solution probably isn't a total reliance on mass transit, as the distances here in the US are too great, unlike Europe, but maybe a substitution of mass transit for a portion of a trip, like a park and ride.

Now is someone could figure out how to keep buses from travelling in packs...

Barry

Freedom and choice
I've always suspected the liberal elitists of having the hidden agenda of making those who can't afford chauffeur-driven limos reliant on the government to tell them where they can live, what they can do to earn a living, and even what they can eat. I like having a car because I still even at 50 enjoy driving most of the time, not only can I drive to work but also to the Whataburger here or White Castle up north if I have a sudden cholesterol jones at 3 AM (no bus service for 20 blocks at that time and yes it is important the food gets home hot...) and if I want to move I pack my vehicle and rent a U-Haul and move whenever and wherever I'm financially capable of moving. It's more than the emissions, it's the ability to say bleep you to The Man instead of doing what the commiesymp Stalinst libs want you to.

As a rational conservative...
...I have to commend Lilly--she nailed it. Everything said after her is basically noise. To Michael's point about transportation boondoggles, sure there are plenty to point to. I'm a licensed civil engineer. I've worked with traffic issues my whole life. Michael's philosophy fits his facts as he sees them, but he misses the second-level cause and effect, a transgression usually committed by liberals. If we were to take just a few thousand of the BART riders, MARTA riders, MBTA riders, SEPTA riders and put them in cars during San Fran's, Atlanta's, Boston's, and Philly's morning or evening rush hours, the highways there would be completely impassible. So, the $100 Million road project would have needed to be a $150 Million road project, the $80 Million parking deck would have needed to be a $120 Million parking deck and the building downtown with 40 floors and 5 underground parking floors, renting for $32/SF annually, would instead be 37 floors, 8 underground parking floors, and have to rent for $36/SF. This would drive a couple more business to the suburbs, where more money would need to be spent to widen the two lane to a four lane, put in new signals, add more public sewers for the larger office building, and on, and on... The simplest and least-honest measure of public transportation is looking at costs vs. revenue. Public transportation is essentially a subsidy not to the provider, and not to the user, but to the businesses to which the users travel. Eliminate the bus route to the office building and the receptionists, paralegals, janitors, secretaries, and mail room clerks will not work for the firms in that building without $2 more per hour, or many of them won't work there at all. Lastly, Michael makes the very common mistake of thinking of mass transit as only "public transportation provided by a vehicle owned by a public entity". Highways, HOV lanes, and the street Michael lives on are all part of the mass transit system, it's just that the vehicle is titled to an individual. Additionally, mass transit is becoming a choice for more and more affluent people. Pike and Wayne County, PA are growing with New York City and North Jersey workers riding huge private buses to/from work. That is a sign of a healthy regional society with options that allow it's members to live in more places, not evidence of Pennsylvanians regressing. When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

Made the same exact point
as Michael Medved is making to my college professor; Got a C-

The average cost of public transportation is $31,750 per rider.

Like Reagan said; why not buy each one a Cadillac?

Plus; we need to take into account the impact on the economy of millions of people conducting business not just close to the public transportation nodes but; anywhere they want.

Basically; the left is obssessed with re-distributing wealth according to a master plan.

To them wealth is inmoral.

Creating wealth does not even crosses their mind.

MASS FOLKSY TRANSIT
MIKE,
WE NEED TO BUILD LESS CARS, STOP FIXING THE ROADS ALLTOGEATHER AND CRAM THEM FOLKS INTO BUSES, SUBWAYS AND SMUSH'EM TOGEATHER ON TRAINS, THAT IS A THE BEST SOLUTION I CAN COME UP WITH UNLESS........ THIS IS INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT?

SO WHAT'S HAPPENED TO ALL THE BUCKS WE CONTRIBUTE THROUGH ALL THE TAX ON TAXES WE MANAGE TO AAHHHH, DONATE, CAN'T SAY STIFFED, FOR IMPROVEMENT OF ALL THIS PAID FOR INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT?

I FEEL SO DUMB, SOMETIMES I TRUST THE GOVERNMENT.

Reply to Trevor
Trevor Writes:
"First, you're not considering the fact that much of that "public transportation" USES those rodes and hiqhways. In fact, I would daresay that a majority of highway construction near urban areas over the last 10 years has been SPECIFICALLY for mass transportation (High-Occupancy Vehicle lanes)."

It is true that buses use the roads, but trains obviously don't. And I SERIOUSLY doubt your 2nd statement. Every HOV lane that I've ever seen is open to cars with the required number of people in them. I've driven all over most of the Northeast, and the amount of HOV lane that I've ever seen is insignificant. Highways get built for the burgeoning explosion of private vehicles that Mr. Medved describes above.

Trevor:
"...you are ignoring a very important point. The money that the government spends on roads and highways is generated by a fuel tax."

I'd have to see ALOT of proof before I'd swallow this one. I don't believe that fuel tax revenues even begin to cover the cost of the autmobile transportation infrastructure, even if you consider only the actual roads themselves and ignore government and enforcement. Much of the public money spent is at the local level, by authorities without the power to tax gasoline. In fact, if you go back to the 1950's as Mr Medved does, I'll bet all the fuel tax revenue doesn't even cover the massive gasoline SUBSIDYS we had for decades. (For all I know gasoline may STILL be subsidized, it's still much cheaper here than in Europe.)

Trevor:
"Public transportation charges fares to their riders, but in almost every case, governments subsidize the systems using general revenues. "

Everybody knows this, politicians say it all the time. I'd just like them to also acknowledge the huge public subsidy of the automobile transportation infrastructure, and at least consider that when trying to decide the 'best' course of action.


No Competition!
I lived in Los Angeles for 8 years and tried taking the mass transit. It cost more money than driving a car, took me longer to get to work and home, and added incredible inflexibility to my daily schedule. I chose to save money and time by driving to work. Mass transit was not an option for me.



That's great, reader...
your anectdodal evidence clinches it! Er, wait a minute...there are 2.1 million people who select mass transit daily in the New York City Metro area alone...many of them extremely wealthy...passing through, of all places, Port Authority and Grand Central Station every day. Oh, but NYC is an exception! Er, yeah but there's Philly, where the most expensive houses in Southeastern Pennsylvania are on the Main Line, where people stand with their children on the train platform, holding their kids' hands while they wait for the school bus to pick them up, then go to the other side of the platform and ride to work, how awful that must be. Oh yeah, I guess Boston is an exception too, with all the million dollar homes right next to the MBTA stops. Oh, and my clients that tell me when I fly to O'Hare "don't rent a car, just take the train to our office", I guess those are all exceptions, as is Atlanta, where if you're going to anywhere within the Perimeter / Loop between 7 and 6 by car you're pretty much screwed..... There's a great conservative columnist for Forbes named Richard Karlgaard who likes to write about America's next boom towns. Places like Chattanooga, Boise, & Santa Fe. Part of the reason these places will boom/are booming is because Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago, DC, L.A., Jersey, despite mass transit, are choking on traffic and will soon reach total capacity--where the stop sign on the subdivision street has 60 cars at it and simply can't accomodate any more. (Incidentally, a major cause of this sudden traffic surge is cell phone usage, which doesn't as much cause accidents as it causes people to speed up much more gradually, creating longer queing delays). The bottom line is this: 34 of our largest 40 major metro areas can't support any more traffic...none. Like it or not, mass transit is going to expand greatly. Or many people will be moving to Tulsa, Boise, and back to Buffalo, and that isn't likely.

Not an Either/Or
It's interesting how some people commenting here immediately assume that liberals (or whoever) are in favor of yanking them out of their personal vehicles and forcing them to stand in the rain to catch a bus that can't accommodate their large packages. The point, I think, is that good mass transit systems make it possible for all of us to make a more varied and appropriate set of decisions about transit. For some situations, cars make sense. For others, mass transit makes more sense. And for some of us who live fairly simple urban lives, mass transit can be all---or nearly all---that we need..

The elephant in the room
Medved, once again, refuses to talk about the elephant in the room.

The people who use mass transit, especially outside of major metro centers like New York, Boston and Chicago, are transit-dependent--meaning that they're using mass transit because they don't have a car available.

Guess who the transit-dependent tend to be, at least in the western and southern states? Illegals. They have three primary modes of transportation: walking, riding a bike (invariably on the sidewalk), and riding the bus. If you want to see what illegals look like, just hope a bus here in Orange County.

So the fact that we've got more mass-transit trips is a terrible sign--it means that we've got more illegals.

Medved probably thinks this isn't a terrible thing, but he's wrong.

Lifestyle more important than the planet
I agree with the jist of the article.

Global warming and the destruction of the planet are puny worthless considerations when you consider that our lifestyle now is the best in history.

Screw the world, I'm drivin' my gas guzzlin SUV, cuz mas transit isn't as comfortable.

What a knit-wit

G_Gaisford
Don't be ridiculous.

I used to do research for a transportation agency, and I've read extensively on the fate of mass transit--especially the old-style light-rail systems referred to as "street cars". It was called the Red Line here in Southern California.

The conspiracy theory you put forth is essentially laughed at by those who study transportation issues for a living. The Red Line and other streetcars were doomed by increasing prosperity and changes in development. People prefer the freedom of driving their own car instead of riding on public transit, so as more people could afford cars, transit ridership went down.

There's also the problem of changing development patterns. People also prefer living in fairly open spaces, so the suburbs grew. Streetcars work in tightly-packed urban spaces, but they're essentially useless for suburb-to-suburb commuting.

The streetcars died on their own due to lack of demand, and this is pretty widely known. Anybody who says otherwise is a hard-core conspiracy-theory crank.

Oh, yeah, just so you know...there isn't really a Santa Claus, either.

Thank God
... for all these people who know how everyone else should live.

Debt
One wonders how much of the so-called 'good life' is powered by debt. This country is awash in debt, both individual and government. Debt that will eventually strangle the economy. Then almost all of us will be riding mass transit. Particularly those who think the government will take care of them.

It's all about choice
People should, of course, be able to own a car and drive it if they want to; cars can be incredibly convenient and allow a person quite a bit of freedom. But what many people may not realize is having public transit along with the option of owning and driving a car gives people a wider range of options-at least it has done this for me. I am trying to save money right now, and since cars steadily depreciate in value and can cost quite a bit of extra money for repairs and gas, not having one is, I think, the most financially responsible way to go; public transit allows me to make that choice. Also, I live in a region where it can be many miles between towns and cities and where the roads can be pretty bad in the winter, and if it weren't for the bus system here we would either have to make the rather nerve-wrecking drive to other cities or be stuck in the one we live in. Also, I live a few states away from my family and Amtrak gives me the choice of going back to visit a few times a year for a very reasonable price; if not for it I'd either be dropping hundreds of dollars on airfare or not going very often.

And anyway, while it is great that in our society things that were once considered luxuries are more affordable and available than ever, I often prefer the non-material things. Even if I could afford to fly often, I think I'd still ride the rails because of the laid-back atmosphere, the chance to soak in the scenery, and the chance to actually sit and get to know people or just think about things. And even if I could afford a car, I think I'd still just walk or ride the bus-well, for long distance trips anyway; city buses can be a real pain sometimes ;-) for the same reasons. So I think our current system, which allows easy and affordable ownership of cars and good roads as well as public transit (although certainly there could be improvements in both areas) is excellent. It's definitely not an either-or thing.

Private Sector
My thinking all along has been to let the private sector run mass transit. It seems that the mass transit system run by the government ALWAYS needs more money. And to think some people out there want the government to take over health care!!!!

Mass Transit
We spent a year in Switzerland - and, you know what I am going to say..... mass transit is the way to go! My daughter used to live in a big US city - and for her, mass transit was the way to go! THe trouble is that there has to be a convenient hub where you can change to another bus - or whatever - so that you can really get to where you are going. My daughter caught a bus on her corner, and went to the convenient way station, and then got a bus to work. It was VERY convenient and workable. I visited her and got around great. Why, in this great country, haven't all the big cities found a way to do away with the automobile. The buses have to be convenient, low cost, and there has to be a great place to change buses. It should work, but we are spoiled - and quite isolated. Americans seem to like it that way.

ChairmanMao...
The first line of the article is "...peaks at 10 Billion trips". If the average rider takes 100 trips per year, that's 100 million riders. If you're correct, that we spend $31K per rider, that's $3.1 Trillion per year on mass transit, which is ludicrous. According to the GAO, we spend $41 Billion per year, and that includes airports. The rest of mass transit revenue is rider fares. $41 Billion, for 10 Billion trips, means $4.10 fed and state per trip. If the average person takes 100 trips per year, that's $410. If the average person takes 1000, that's still only $4100. Maybe your college professor gave you a C- because you were full of crap. Before you quote Reagan, remember that the guy's mind was gone in about '83. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

Diversify solutions.
Telecommuting and flextime are two approaches to lessen traffic jams. How many of millions of office workers all driving in from the suburbs at the same time clogging the roads could actually do their paper work at home on the computer,fax and email stuff etc? Not having everyone on the road at the same time would help as well . Driving a personal vehicle can sure feel like freedom,but that can be an illusion ,Being stuck in stop and go on the freeway for hours a day feels like being trapped to me.Here in N. Califorinia a trip that 20 years ago took an hour can take as long as 2.5,or 3,unless something really goes wrong.This will continue to get worse.
It's true that taking public transport esp in cold places can have serious shortcomiings.Some of the problems can be improved,esp if more people use the services.Like shelters at bus stops. I think for interurban something like Jitneys, on certain arterial routes,like in shopping zones that can stop more oftne than full size buses could help ,as could new categories of taxis.In the 60 As a teenager I could afford to take cabs with my guitar and amp,but now it's a luxury.This sort of thing can be addressed with incentives. Private concerns can pool resources in some localized situations. diversifying the options can improve things.Unfortunately people tend to get more committed to particular solutions,or ideologies than to actually solving problems.
As to the notion that drivers pay their own way and public transpo users don't.This is only partially true.there are unavoidable impacts on others wherever a freeway or other commuter route is. The costs of construction/maintenance don't cover the quality of life degradation for those impacted.have any idea how much the value of your house would go down if an overpass ent up on your street?Highway spending is not completely covered by gas taxes. The US Interstate highway systeem,without which the rail systems wouldn't have dissapeared, was a federal military appropriation bill,the Defense Highwy Spending Act passed under Eisenhower. Getting too hung up on this conservative/liberal ideology business can really make people lose track of the ball.

Those who prefer driving might consider that the more people are on public transportation the less are on the rode,in front of you,driving like idiots and messing up traffic.

Fred writes:
"One wonders how much of the so-called 'good life' is powered by debt. This country is awash in debt, both individual and government. Debt that will eventually strangle the economy. Then almost all of us will be riding mass transit. Particularly those who think the government will take care of them."

Wow, Fred, you said EXACTLY what I was going to say.

btw:
I was riding the bus the other day with Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, John Edwards, John Kerry and his lovely wife, and Hillary and Bill Clinton. It's true! Why doesn't anyone believe me!?! ;)

traffic
you still have to deal with the same traffic on a bus as you do in a car. I'll let you in on a secret: they use the same roads! Medveds point was that people in the 50s rode mass transit, not out of choice, but because they didn't own cars. Now a days, most people have the oppurtunity to drive themselves, and most do, because they find it more convenient. What a revelation!

Michael you missed the real reason
Michael you missed the real reason transit ridership fell off. It's the same reason why they moved the Brooklyn Dodgers to LA. People moved to where they could buy a house on a lot. We have built out so far now that it makes sense to densify inner areas, thus making transit an alternative.

And please, making provision shouldn't be a liberal or conservative issue, but an economic one.

Tillthen
Switzerland is a very small country compared to the United States -- or Canada. Bernie Ecclestone, the Formula One Supremo, cannot understand why having one race in Indianapolis isn't plenty for a country larger than the entire EU -- he doesn't understand that people won't drive 18 hours to attend a weekend race, and then 18 hours home again. He doesn't understand that the United States Is Big.

Also you have to concede that Switzerland is pretty much homogenous. The United States is at least five different cultures smushed into one very large country, and each of these cultures has its own way of doing things.

I don't think we can take Switzerland as a model for how the United States should structure its transit.

Dan_Schwartz
I'll trade you Islamohag Pelosi for Defecrat...thats a good one!

All this ranting about whether mass transit is god or bad... who really knows. If the train stop is somewhat near your house, or ends up near where you work, great. If it does not do either, tis a waste of money, in your opinion.
I interpreted this article as more nuanced, mainly getting people ready for a drop in income. My high tech job is getting prepped for outsourcing to India, as soon as one of the 3 million at the keyboard can type Shakespeare's works, so I get it. And while Defecrats(had to steal it, Dan) and your local Chamber of Commerce get their way and import millions upon millions of illegal(OOPS! suddenly comprehensively legal)workers to undercut your pay scale, heck yes, you will be happy to ride a bus to the soup kitchen.
Bend O4, and enjoy!

Traffic
If moe people are in busses there are less total vehicles on the road.If you're riding in the bus you don't have to deal with traffic,you can turn your attention elsewhere.Wifi on buses and trains would be good. If you're driving on anything but a 1 lane surface street ,it's easier to stay to the left and not get stuck behind busses. Trains directly cut down on the total number of people on the road. Of course the population continues to grow,and people keep gobbling up farmland and commuting farther ,so all these approaches will only mitigate ,not resolve traffic problems.
In many cities people voted against funding mas transit projects in the 70s and 80s,which ,if built then would have been relatively cheap ,and traffic would be better in those places. San Francisco,Wash DC and Atlanta all built rail systems in th 70s and they all work quite well. These are all cities built before cars ,unlike Dallas LA Pheonix,where things are really spread out ,and parking isn't quite the nightmare it is in older cities. The old part of SF is just about impossible to park in. I've spent over an hour looking for a space on several occasions.Now I just park somewhere else and bus to N. Beach if I really want to eat Italian.

Since Steve mentioned HOV lanes...
Study: HOV/Carpool Lanes Cause Accidents

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/02/292.asp

"A newly released Texas Transportation Institute study suggests that High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) or carpool lanes that are not separated from regular lanes with a physical barrier experience a 41-56 percent increase in injury accidents. Almost all new freeway lanes are set aside for HOV use only because federal environmental regulations strongly favor their use.

"The main benefit promised by HOV lanes -- faster travel for carpoolers -- is what causes the accidents, according to the study. During peak traffic times, the speed differential between the regular lanes and HOV lanes ranges between 21 and 35 MPH. For example, a slower car trying to merge into the HOV lane may be rear-ended by faster moving HOV traffic that cannot slow down in time. Overall, the general purpose traffic lane closest to the HOV lanes experienced a 153-188 percent increase in injury accidents."

animalgirlsback
Calling other people fools is not conducive to persuading them, but only getting the hairs on their back to stand up, as yours obviously are.

A Many-Splendored Thing
It's certainly true that newer suburban areas in the US are underserved (if served at all) by public transportation. If you look at older suburbs, they grew up along commuter rail lines. You got off the train, had one street of stores, and then walked a few blocks through residential streets to reach your home. The newer suburbs, that grew up after World War II and later, were designed for the automobile and, unless you're in one, you can't get there from here.

It's reality that it's all but impossible to live in those suburbs without driving a car to get everyplace. I lived there for thirty years; at one time we had four cars in our household. And you usually can't walk to anything ither---seldom are there sidewalks.

But it's more than reality. It's also an attitude. I know of suburban parents who won't allow a seventeen year-old son or daughter to use the Ride-On bus even though it runs directly from the high school to the clinic or the dentist or the dance lesson. I have heard suburbanites say that buses are just for the cleaning women. Others avoid buses because they don't want contact with minorities or the poor or perceived criminals. It seems to me very much a class thing: if you are middle-class or better, you drive your own car.

Dear friends, after thirty years spent in my car, I am now joyously retired---sans car---in the thumping heart of a big city where I live half a block from the subway and six bus lines. With transfers, I can go to any airport, thus to Minsk or Morocco all on public transit. I can also walk to everything I need---on sidewalks!--- and, should it be pouring rain or dark midnight, I can be in a taxi in thirty seconds because taxis cruise all day and all night. Compare this to the life of my elderly suburban friends who are stuck in their houses. Here is what they are surrounded with: pretty lawns. Here is what they are not surrounded with: a way to escape, even to a doctor's appointment.

Some posters see having a car as "freedom". But there's another side to this coin---the freedom of using public transportation. No parking, no road rage, no traffic jams, no hassles. You pays your money and you sits down and reads your book.


meh
this is one of those areas where i think we should be saying "whatever works for you."

my job requires me to travel.

i can drive to the airport, take a cab, or as i recently found out, i can take the bus.

if i park at the airport, it's $70 a week. i can be gone a month at a time, so that's right out.

a cab costs ~$25, one way. not bad. if i get the right driver, he knows the back way into the airport (it's not a short cut per se, but it goes out onto a country highway and saves a bit of time vs. city traffic)

if i take the bus, it's a buck (50 cents if i want to lie and say i'm a student). but, it's a mind numbing ride to the depo downtown, a half hour wait for the transfer, then another long ride to the airport. nevertheless, it's a reasonable tradeoff.


i'd rather not take mass transit simply because i'm introverted and get claustaphobic when couped up with strangers. i will if it's strategic, like say going to the airport. but if i'm just going to the store down the street it's faster and more efficient to just hop in my car and drive.

eventually, i'm going to live out in the country anyways (i hate the city AND the burbs). so this isn't a contraversy to me.

Medved is an observant Jew
And religious people don't need to write about just religious stuff all the time. In fact, that is one stereotype of the religious, that they talk about the spiritual to the exclusion of the material. Both are important. This column happens to be about mass transit and living standards.

Mass transit makes more sense
Than driving a car.
Just think about it.
A guy or woman gets into a 2,000 lb or more hunk of metal, goes to the gas station and pays about $40 to fill their tank with gas, and then they drive to the store------where hundreds of other cars are parked and doing the same thing.
Why not use the bus?
It is far more efficient as a use of fuel.
It would reduce traffic a great deal
You don't need a driver's license or insurance to ride on it.
Might meet some fine friends guys or girls, whatever you are looking for.
We are, as a nation far too isolated by our techno auto culture.
Mass transit is what we need
Even if it raised our taxes $2,000 dollars a year, it would be cheaper than the care and upkeep of a car, that glorious metal idol of the American Middle Class.
It is a comic book dream of somehow 'making it'.
And what have you made with a car?
Insurance pmts.
Car pmts.
Repair pmts.
Gas and Oil.
Depreciation
Traffic Citations.
Oh the joys of owning a car.

animalgirl is back comment
You have done your homework!
The Tacoma area had another transit system called the Inter Urban. It too was well used by local labor, but suddenly in the late 30's it was torn out for , well who knows why.
The system worked well and was used, but somebody wanted to have us in Cars, I guess.

lilly
The experiences you describe regarding commuting are a bit familiar but my take was different (and now that I am retired I don't commute at all). For a year and a half I commuted between Akron and Cleveland; for awhile I used the bus (to and from Richfield) but decided that I didn't wish to spend an extra hour each day on the road so I decided that it was better to drive downtown and park in the parking deck. Even at six bucks a day it was worth it to me to have my car close by and -- especially during the inclement weather that northern OH is notorious for -- to be under roof between my car and the office. Also, security was decent. My 4-cyl Mustang was cheap to drive so it balanced out IMO.

Make no mistake; I am fond of some mass transit. I particularly like street cars/trams but it is important to have a choice -- something that the "greens" wish to deny us. My wife and I have ridden BART from Fremont to Frisco and enjoyed it; we also enjoy the cable car rides to Fisherman's Wharf and not having to look for a parking space. But if I wish to drive there I want to have that option (we have family in CA so we visit often). I also prefer trains to the airlines and wish that Amtrak would act as though they didn't have a heierarchy of Harvard Business School grads -- which is my impression of it. Make train travel more attractive for Pete's sake instead of making cuts all the time!

You mentioned Switzerland -- which is my second favorite place in the world behind the USA; my wife and I have been there but didn't fly to or from Zurich. You are right; the trains are on time and are comfortable and Amtrak could learn a lesson or five from SBB. South of the border in Italy you may be able to set your calendar by the trains but certainly not your watch. :-) Also the TGV ride from Geneva to Paris was a neat experience. We didn't want to be bothered with a car because of the high rentals and expensive gas. Really neat country though and both times we were there we weren't ready to leave when our plane reservations beckoned.

However, using mass transit can be a very bad idea if you do a lot of shopping. Or, as Audi mentions, if you carry a lot. When I worked in Cleveland I even left my attache case at the office during the week, only bringing it home on weekends. Another caveat in most cities (and most other countries) is a caution against boarding a bus, tram etc at night because of crime. Even in Vancouver, BC we were advised to avoid the Sky Train at night. In Switzerland we had no such worries although we occasionally saw signs in the stations advising to beware of pickpockets.

Portland, OR has a nice light rail line but it is not used to capacity because it doesn't go where the bulk of the people want to go; it also serves as an example of why mass transit in general is not used more than it is. Chicago and Toronto have, IMO, excellent mass transit and commuter rail connections but the freeways are still clogged during rush hour.

Mass trans
The great boulevards of LA are built on the corpse of the Red Line. Each town this SP subsidiary connected in turn forced the rail line to pave their dirt roads on the parallel and on the the crossings. Forcing them to pay the seperated grade for the freeway was the last straw. In its heyday you could travel from Pasadena to the Santa Monica beach in 45 minutes...try that today on I10 and then find parking. There's alot to be said for the street cars. Of course SP (Southern Pacific RR) had few right-of-way problems building over agricultural property.

The late, great Daniel Boorstin covered the subject of suburban growth often. I grew up in suburban Chicago where you were never a walk away from a major trunkline railroad providing commuter service to the Loop. Today's planned communities are planned for the auto and negate the densities where rail thrives.

I'm surprised you're surprised that commuter traffic peaked in the 40s. Gas and tires were rationed. New autos couldn't be had.

+1 dyerje at 4:40 pm
I am not bothered by any of you people taking public transport, or taxis, or bicycles, or horses, or dog sleds, or shoe leather. I think that the cost of some public transport schemes is far more than their worth, but my tax dollars are going to be mostly wasted regardless.

Mostly, I just want to say to Frankburnstrakenton and the rest of his communist/fascist ilk: you want my truck? By all means, come and take it. Hell ain't even half full yet.

re: Muscat
It's a shame that your experiences with cars have been less than desirable.

I prefer to drive although will use mass transit when/if it offers an advantage. Having driven from Akron to California five times now and having used different routes my wife and I have seen a lot of the US that we wouldn't see from an airliner (flyovers don't count). Trains have a similar advantage but not as good a route selection. By driving we have seen picture postcard views every minute across western Montana, very impressive mountainous scenes from I-70 between Denver and I-15 in Utah...sure beats being cramped in a flying sardine can breathing everybody else's germs and feeling miserable afterwards. The prospect of riding a bus with standing room only these days has got to be even worse. Besides, the seating comfort in a car is better than flying coach by a long shot.

One million and one.
This article already has a million comments, but I had to weigh in. I love public transportation WHEN IT WORKS. Unfortunately, it only works for certain situations. When I worked at the Aon Center in downtown Chicago, I would take a bus to the station, take a train downtown, then take a bus to the Aon Center. It wasn't the most wonderful commute, but it was slightly better than driving.

But what happens when you don't work in just one building? I am currently a consultant, and I have to drive all over Chicagoland; from the western suburbs, to downtown, to the northern suburbs. It would take me a full day of trying to make bus/train connections in order to visit just a few of my clients. There would be no time to actually do any work!

You have to balance the whole mass transit versus automobile debate. I love public transportation when it makes sense. I hate driving in rush hour traffic. I'd gladly park my Honda Civic and take a train if it would get me where I need to go. But even if there were connections between all my accounts (which there aren't and never will be), there is no way that a bus/train schedule would get me places on time.

You might also keep in mind that there's an Americana aspect to the automobile as well. Some people love to drive across the country, stopping at will to take in sights. I am one of those people. Vacation driving is nothing like commuter driving; it is relaxing and you are in control of your direction. The same could not be said about public transportation.

I think if you dig the relevant points out of Michael's article, it is that you can't force people onto public transportation without usually imposing major career and lifestyle changes. I, for one, do not want Big Brother limiting where I can work nor picking my vacation routes at my own expense. Do you really want government to have that much control over your lives all in the name of environmentalism?

Re: Ixalmida
Good post!

"But even if there were connections between all my accounts (which there aren't and never will be), there is no way that a bus/train schedule would get me places on time."

That is also why car pooling didn't work well when I was still working because of the need to go out to inspect machinery being built for us (or a plant addition). Not all employers supply company cars for that purpose.

"I think if you dig the relevant points out of Michael's article, it is that you can't force people onto public transportation without usually imposing major career and lifestyle changes. I, for one, do not want Big Brother limiting where I can work nor picking my vacation routes at my own expense. Do you really want government to have that much control over your lives all in the name of environmentalism?"

That nails it. What is called "New Urbanism," "Smart Growth" (and some names not fit to mention in polite company) is actually collectivist/socialist style living. Those who like living within walking distance from work and shopping -- or a minimal drive -- are welcome to it but others like myself like living in my single family home. Condos are not attractive since incidents have been reported that Big Bro (the condo association) will insist on dictating to unit owners what pets they can have or where that can or can't park their pickups (actual incidents).

A great deal of what is called "environmentalism" is simply an excuse to enforce lifestyle changes and is based on flawed information.

BTW, I have encountered Chicago's rush hour traffic a few times; my Avalon has idled well in those instances. :-)





The cost of fancy vacations is long term
A good chunk of the piece is in regards to the fancy vacations of today as compared the frugal vacations such as the Medved Family of four boys had 40 years ago. Michael analysis is faulty since it assumes the difference is simply a higher standard of living.

This higher standard of living has a lot to do with hedonistic birth control. We are not replacing our population.

It is not fair to compare one income and 4 or 5 kids of yesterday to 2 incomes and 1 or 2 kids of today. I have friends that have the means to afford traveling with more than 1 or 2 children, but limit themselves to only 1 or 2 children because it has hard to travel with babies and small children even when you have the means to afford it.

Conservatives who are not generous in the gift of life are not good Americans. We want unlimited sex without responsibility. We sterlize ourselves and put our faith in large 401-k balances rather than in life which is the future of our country. Hard work that benefits primarily your lifestyle is better than sloth or scamming the system, but is ultimately still hedonism.

The difference in personal sacrifice for the greater good is astounding when you compare military families to those who earn good livings and intentionally limit themselves to 0, 1 or 2 children.

smith500
Methinks that you are forgetting a few things. Such as all the jobs that those "luxury vacations" generate. Sure beats standing in the welfare line.

I remember the 2000 election campaign where the subject was brought up about parents working two jobs in order to have a life of luxury; that is ridiculous on its face. We have low income people who have to work two jobs in order to live in a trailer park and have one car that they hope will run.

Have you priced real estate in California lately? What with "urban growth boundaries" (Santa Clara County, e.g.) and the requirement to file something called an "environmental impact statement" which runs up the price, the price of real estate is going through the roof. "Luxury vacations?" Give me a break. Try paying half a million for a three bedroom house for a family of four. Then think about the property taxes that Marx would have been ecstatic about if he had invented the idea.

The employees working for those "luxury spas" are earning good money; do you want to begrudge them that.

I grew up in a lower middle class household; so what? It is nice to be able to afford something a bit nicer. Do you have a problem with that?

A workable suggestion...
Animalgirlsback: What year did Ford come to Atlanta and make that offer? Did you notice that your illegal alien population is rather hefty in your area. Illegal aliens slipped over our border, and paid money to be transported to Atlanta, where there were mandy jobs. It was their Utopia, and they settled there. Is it still a paradise or did it change a lot? Thank you for your input!

I would think, and I do think, that any community would be wise to survey an area that would be 1-2 miles square and within that area would be the only place in that smaller town,where manufacturing could be done, along with an ancillary business could build their firms to cater to the major manufacturing in this area. For instance, at this very time, Toyota is planning to construct a new plant in Tupelo, Mississippi and one would hope that the city of Tupelo would place that plant where it could be reached by hi-speed public transportation, and a large parking lot where folks could park and ride the transportation. Then Toyota would not need a huge parking lot, taking up acres of space where other businesses could be built. This would keep all the transportation clogs in one area and generally one way streets help a lot there. A train spur can be built from the mainline and take care of those units, bringing in raw materials and removing assembled units, thus removing a plethora of trucking entering and exiting through the city itself. Or perhaps a bypass around the city can be devised. Tight pollution controls could be enforced and Toyata, as a good neighbor, would be able to fix those problems to show they are indeed good neighbors. Nearby of housing should not be allowed, for space for their manufacturing must be anticipated for the future expansion of either Toyota or another large manufacturer which might move into that reserved area. Toyota could manufacture the jitney's used to pick up their employees and speed them into the plant from their hi-speed depot. This is my presentation to all of you, who should anticipate that good planning saves a lot of regrets and finger-pointing a few decades down the line. Should Toyato vacate the premises, some time in the future, it would not be difficult to rent a plant to another wise manufacturer. Don't sit back and criticise, but take the idea and suggest any improvements that your mind can improvise. I am trying to correct problems in the future, not correct those already presented. Here is your chance to take and idea and run with it and offer perfection to the plan.

Partial exlplanation for traffic problem
Short and sweet, it is the illegal alien problem, which continues to be ignored by our national Congress. We have suffered a great strain on our public and private transportation issues. The figure for these illegal aliens now is being quoted at about 20 million illegal felonious folks looking for a nicer way to live. Can't say that I would blame them, if they had followed the rules and entered our country when our government invited them in. With their gate crashing attitude and then begin demanding their legal rights, while they have not yet become citizens, is totally helping to clog our welfare. Planning project for a city, was done with a projected growth for city. Take Atlanta and Los Angeles as our example. The illegal aliens flocked to those two cities and the crime rate moved up. Stolen cars took illegal aliens to other parts of the country, Atlanta was one of them, and for those who came across the border into Arizona, the car theft rate in Tucson was one every five minutes. The folks that come here from across a border, are not the wealthy, but the poor and they all have the idea that all Americans are rich and can afford to buy another car when they "liberate" the one you are driving now. Even those Americans who do not have much, have far more than these people had, therefore in the eyes of these illegal aliens, you can afford to help them out. Los Angeles is a zoo, with many gangs and corrupt officials who aiding them in their illegal entry to this country. Our streets were parking lots, even while most of the illegal population was yet to come to the cities. I spent more than thirty years in Los Angeles, please do not contradict what I have seen with my own eyes, and my life has been threated several times, just by walking my dog in the early hours, going into MacDonald's to eat, talking with my Hispanic neighbors, for yea, I did live within an area considered a barrio. I saw the children riding bicycles all night, delivering drugs for the pushers and much more. Our buses looked as though they had come directly from Mexico, with few white residents riding them. Our walls were covered nightly with graffiti from two different gangs and murder and drive-by incidents were almost nightly or daily occurences. Most of the cars had Latino drivers, our low cost housing, and HUD projects were filled with illega aliens. When we attended a fast food restaurant, the size of the crowd was always Latino and the predominant spoken language was Spanish. Our ballots were printed in 20 languages. The city was a sanctuary city, which means that from the Mayor on down, they were offering sanctuary to law breakers in our country. Raising taxes to help pay for those services that clogged our emergency rooms in our hospitals until one by one they were forced to close their trauma centers because they could not afford to keep them open. The entire city was gridlocked far too often and the officials could not find a solution, after throwing multimillions into searching for solutions. At certain times of the day, our freeways became five to eight lanes of parking lots, that ran for miles. With all the freeways available to our transportation, they were all full. Too often the population was hours late in getting home. The problems kept expanding and things were not getting better. Finally, I had a chance to sell my house, which had been burglarized by the Latino's that lived in our area. While they trashed the house, and this elderly man could not even walk through his home to say goodbye to it, I still got money for it and left California and relocated here in a southern state. We are still facing illegal aliens here, hired to work in our plants, at a lower wage than the local people. Our citixens are undergoing a form of silent rage, but one that I fear could errupt and the consequences will be indeed harsh. Our streets here are clogged and I do not even need to turn my head any longer, I can judge who is driving next to me. Don;t ask, you already have the answer. Our system was not designed to absorb the effects of a sudden influx of roughly twenty million illegal alien invaders. The solving of the problem will be up to the voters in November. Remember your responsibility as you step into the polling booth and cast a ballot that will help solve the problem or find some very unpleasant events to errupt within our borders. Our Congress needs to work on solving our problems, not going to Syria, worsening the pressure on our military. I choose to elect a proven problem solver as my candidate and hope that when you investigate Mitt Rommney, you will find a candidaate to your liking also. Solve problems with problem solvers.

Just the Facts.
Medved's argument is not valid because he fails to mention:
a) Cities had a larger population back then, and declined after the baby boom. Take Philly for example:
1920 3 1823779
1930 3 1950961
1940 3 1931334
1950 3 2071605
1960 4 2002512
1970 4 1948609
1980 4 1688210
1990 5 1585577
http://physics.bu.edu/~redner/projects/population/cities/ph iladelphia.html

Mass transit was mainly centralized in cities back then.
b) Gas prices were expensive back then. Prices didn't break the sub $2 mark until 1961 (adjusted for inflation). Which means that gas was the same price in 1961 as it is today.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_history_of_gasoline_p rices_in_the_US
c) Median household income (40's through 60's) was 10-20% less than it is today. That means families had less to spend on gas that was more expensive than it is now.
Conclusion: So you mean to tell me fuel was higher on average (40's - 60's) than today, people made 10-20% less median income, and 500-600K more people (i.e. Philly as an example) lived in the city? Well no kidding it took 50 years of increasing population to finally even out on mass transit. It's clear that the author has no concept of the history of transportation and will try to distort facts in order to prove his lame point.
All in all, when done right: mass transit is more efficient (financially, faster, environmentally friendly) than individual vehicles in densely populated areas. Sadly the author fails to realize this point and prefers to take a fantasyland attitude (mass transit = lower standard of living) based on his broadly narrow point of view.
Medved, I challenge you to try out Hong Kong's mass transit (best in the world) and then try to claim that it sucks. Good luck.
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