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Wednesday, March 07, 2007
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
Addition or subtraction?: Ann Coulter and the conservative crossroads
by Michael Medved
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In the run-up to the fateful election of 2008, conservatives face a clear-cut choice: we can rebuild our movement as a broad-ranging, mainstream coalition and restore our governing majority, or else settle for a semi-permanent role as angry, doom-speaking complainers on the fringes of American politics and culture.

We can either invite doubters and moderates to join with us in new efforts to affirm American values, or we can push them away because they fail to measure up to our own standards of indignation and ideological purity.

In short, we must choose between addition and subtraction: either building our cause by adding to our numbers or destroying it by discouraging all but the fiercest ideologues.

No political party or faction has ever thrived based on purges and insults and internal warfare, but too many activists on the right seem determined to reduce the conservative cause to self-righteous irrelevance.

The most recent outrage involving Ann Coulter provides a revealing example of the self-destructive tendencies of some dedicated partisans on the right. Addressing the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Washington, D.C., the best-selling author and glamorous Time magazine cover girl declared: “I was going to have a few comments about the other Democratic candidate for President, John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘faggot’ so I’m kind of at an impasse. I can’t really talk about Edwards.”

Some members of the audience gasped as she deployed the forbidden slur, but many others laughed and applauded. Naturally, Democratic Chair Howard Dean and many others pounced on the incident as another example of conservative viciousness and bigotry, demanding that all Republican Presidential candidates dissociate themselves from Coulter’s comments.

This challenge creates a miserable dilemma for every GOP contender. If the candidate ignores the controversy, he looks gutless and paralyzed in the face of obviously inappropriate and over-the-top insults. If he condemns Coulter, he looks like he’s wimping out to the liberal establishment and offends right-wing true believers who feel instinctively protective of Ann the Outrageous. Any comment by a presidential candidate also refocuses the national conversation on the absurd and unacceptable suggestion that John Edwards is secretly gay.

To paraphrase the old line attributed to Talleyrand: this smear amounts to worse than a crime, it is a blunder. John Edwards deserves contempt and derision on many counts, and I go after him (regularly) on my radio show for his extreme left wing positions on foreign policy and health care, his shameless opportunism, even his long history as a fabulously wealthy and floridly hypocritical ambulance-chasing attorney. Ann Coulter could have found plenty to say about the former North Carolina Senator without invoking the dreaded f-word (all right, the other dreaded f-word).

In fact, Edwards has been a visibly loyal husband to Elizabeth, his wife of more than 29 years, who’s currently battling breast cancer. Together, they’ve brought five children into the world, including a son who died in a tragic traffic accident at age 16. Drawing attention to Edwards’ personal life and away from his policies only helps Edwards and harms conservatives.

In other words, the lame attempt to question the Senator’s sexual orientation is precisely the wrong attack, and Coulter herself is most certainly the wrong attacker. If this issue continues to attract attention, indignant liberals will no doubt point out that the devoted family man from North Carolina exemplifies traditional values far more notably than the mini-skirted, never-married provocateur from the right.

Personally, I like and admire Ann Coulter, and I’ve always defended her in the past – even when liberals gleefully quoted out-of-context from her recent bestseller “Godless” to make it sound as if she suggested that 9/11 widows wanted their own husbands to die and celebrated their fiery deaths. Her caustic humor often upstages her serious and substantive political points, as did the notorious headline “They Shot the Wrong Lincoln” appended to her column attacking her fellow Republican, Rhode Island Senator Lincoln Chafee. That one opinion piece didn’t doom Chafee’s re-election bid, but movement conservatives like Coulter and many others expressed the desire for his defeat—a loss that insured the Democrats’ one-vote margin in the Senate.

Reasonable people can disagree about the wisdom of concentrating fire on a fellow Republican (even a liberal GOP’er like Linc Chafee) but there can be no argument about the purely destructive impact of Coulter’s sneering slur against Edwards. How could such a nasty shot possibly assist the conservative cause? Which potential Republican supporters would feel motivated or mobilized by her casual use of the term “faggot”? How could a smart woman expect anything other than a disgusted and negative response for her implication that a long-married father of five deserved outing as a homosexual?

The Coulter commentary (and the subsequent applause) reinforced the public image of conservatives as unreasonably hostile to gay people in general, not just opposed to the dubious particulars of the so-called “gay rights” agenda. In fact, exit polls showed that self-identified gay people made up 4% of the total electorate in the incomparably close election of 2000, and nearly one third of those homosexual voters cast their ballots for George W. Bush. In other words, more than a million gay citizens voted for Bush-Cheney, in a race that ultimately turned on a mere 527 votes in Florida, and a national margin in the popular vote of just 537,000 for Gore.

What sense does it make for a featured speaker at a conservative conference to deliver gratuitous insult and offense to that stalwart minority of homosexuals who still choose to cast their lot with Republicans, despite the party’s impassioned (and appropriate) opposition to gay marriage?

By the same token, how does it help for one of the nation’s highest profile conservative talk hosts to use his broadcast on the Martin Luther King holiday to insult the fallen hero as unworthy of federal commemoration? Yes, the overwhelming majority of African-Americans votes incurably Democratic, but in 2004, Bush still drew well over a million-and-a-half black votes. It doesn’t help these courageous dissenters from politically correct orthodoxy if loud voices on the right make them wonder whether Jesse Jackson and Howard Dean are right about the racism of Republicans.

Finally, the most serious challenge of all involves the rapidly growing and increasingly prosperous Latino communities. Were it not for his competitive showing among Hispanics (with some 35% of their votes in 2000, and above 40% in 2004), Bush wouldn’t even have come close to victory, either time.

Meanwhile, elements of the President’s party seem perversely determined to make sure that no future Republican repeats this success with the nation’s fastest growing minority group. Imagine how naturalized Hispanic citizens, or even native-born Latinos might feel, at the suggestion that their cousins amount to an “invading army” bent on destroying America, or the common equation of terrorists (who have all been legal U.S. entrants by the way) and those who enter the country to care for our children and mow our lawns. Anti-immigrant rhetoric (which increasingly dispenses with any distinction between legal and illegal arrivals) provoked a disastrous shift of Latino voters away from the GOP in 2006. If Republicans continue to draw just 20% of Hispanic votes they will never regain control of Congress and stand scant chance of retaining the White House. Nativist posturing (like Congressman Tom Tancredo’s obnoxious slogan, “America Is Full”) may play well with some elements of the conservative base but it could easily doom Republicans to permanent minority status.

Obviously, the future of the conservative movement and of the Republic itself requires GOP recruitment of more Latinos, Blacks and gays, and anything that stands in the way of such participation fatally undermines the party’s future.

The situation hardly requires retreat and retrenchment on key issues of principle in the vague hope of winning more minority support.

Republicans don’t need to drop our implacable opposition to gay marriage in order reach out to gays.

We don’t need to reverse our criticism of race-based quotas in order to bring more black involvement in the party.

And we certainly don’t need to endorse automatic amnesty or “open borders” as a way to connect with Latino voters – but we might want to avoid widespread public advertising for games like “Find the Illegal Immigrant” (devised by a College Republicans chapter in New York City) or giving undeserved respect to crackpot fringe groups like the scandal-tainted “Minute Man Civil Defense Corps.”.

On all the important issues, it’s not substance that needs to change, it’s style.

Republicans need to return to the open, expansive conservatism of Ronald Reagan: more concerned with bringing in newcomers than driving out dissenters, more committed to winning elections than to scoring points in arguments, more determined to steer the government in the right direction than to sit at the sidelines carping about inevitable decline. We should make skeptics feel welcome as Republicans and urge them to fight the issues inside the party where they can have the most impact.

Every major event, every potential speaker, every resolution, every specific approach, deserves evaluation in terms of effectiveness in party building—winning new adherents to the cause.

We should ask a crucial question before we speak or act: will this draw people to conservative ideas and ideals, or will it serve to turn them off and push them away?

It’s not a matter of pandering; it’s an expression of practical politics. At this crucial juncture, conservatives need to recall the obvious point that you strengthen your cause most effectively when you’re appealing, not appalling.

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Joke About a TV Show--Grey's Anatomy by
Guess some of you uptight male conservative types have never watched the TV show to which Ann Coulter was referring. Ever read MySpace.com or Face book?

That's a pretty common expression these days and does NOT necessarily refer to a person's sexuality.

Guess a strong brash woman is just too threatening for some. I cannot imagine Ronald Reagan going into hysterics the way so many male bloggers have done about this.

Why not just publicly stone her to restore your pristine honor? I don't think I want to be a part of a party that eats its own and gives those wishing VP Cheney dead a pass.

I have nothing in common with dour, humorless dolts who are so insecure in their own masculinity that they feel threatened even when something is said about somebody else. Now note I did not call you this but if the shoe fits. . .

We've been warned.
This is an excellent, thoughtful piece which every Republican needs to read and carefully consider. We've been warned.

Checking around cyberspace over the past few days is not reassuring, however. Hopefully the people pounding out juvenile defenses of Ann's honor and wailing about double standards, are not representative of the majority. If not, the GOP is in deep kimchee.

A dangerous bitterness
Ever since the November 2006 election defeat, Republicans and conservatives show dangerous signs of lapsing into bitterness and insularity. Back in 2003-2004, we used to laugh at the Deaniacs for being the "Angry Left," and Rush Limbaugh properly observed that anger never wins elections. Let's not become the "Angry Right," OK?

Sorry, Amelia, this has nothing to do with Ann Coulter's gender. Using a slur to denigrate a minority group would be just as bad if a male speaker at CPAC had done it. And if you fear that by criticizing what Ann said, we are somehow "eating our own," didn't Ann already do that herself by stigmatizing Muslims last year as "ragheads," even though in 2000 Bush won more Muslim votes than Gore did? And by stigmatizing gays this year as "faggots," even though thousands of gays and lesbians defied the conventional wisdom and voted for Republicans anyway? When we suggest that Hispanics themselves represent a mortal threat to our "English-speaking culture," aren't we basically telling them that they--and their votes--are not welcome in our party and our movement, even after millions of them have already voted Republican? And how will other minority groups react? Should Jewish conservatives be worried that Ann will insult Jews in her CPAC speech next year? If now she's making a career out of using bigoted slurs, which minority group will she slur in next year's speech?

Isn't driving away potential or even existing supporters "eating our own?"

We should never concede any voters to the opposition a priori, and insulting them is the surest way to do that. Of course it infuriates me when I hear the Left curse out Bush or Cheney, and I say so. But Bush and Cheney are elected officials, politicians, accustomed to the rough-and-tumble of politics. They can take it! It's the average American citizen, who regardless of his or her race, religion or sexual orientation does not deserve to be insulted by us. Remember, in our country, the taxpayers and the voters are sovereign. Bush and Cheney work for THEM, not the reverse.

One more point: I've actually heard some embittered conservatives claim that the Democratic sweep of Congress in November 2006 "proves" that the American people just don't have the will to win the Iraq War anymore, and may not even have the will to fight terrorism anymore. Shades of Jimmy Carter's "malaise" speech! Don't blame the civilian leadership for squandering the public's trust, it's the American people's fault for being unworthy of the leaders! President Carter tried that excuse in 1979 to explain away the failures during his administration. And it flopped. Let's not try that excuse to explain away the problems during the Bush Administration, OK?

Mudslinging
Mudslinging

Mudslinging will always be a part of politics. In fact I agree with many that Democrats are better, or lower, at it then Republicans.

From 1776 to 2006 mudslinging is important to politics. However, the mudslingers, by and large, tend to be the "politics as sports" crowd who enjoy rooting for their team and against the opposite team.

Fine. Ann is the Republican Sports Queen.

The problem isn't Ann as Sports Queen.

The problem is the Republican void of Mainstream representation.

Every radio host hanging off of Town Hall is a "politics as sports" announcer.

Which translates into the esoteric score keeping of gotcha politics.

What's lacking is anything compelling to common man who doesn't follow politics.

The average guy knows that liberals are pushing Global Warming.

What are conservatives pushing with equal earnest? What defining issue is the general public aware of that Republicans are pushing?

CPAC needed to define a platform more than it did a sports score.

Unfortunately the sports card was all the public got.

If there had been some alternate Health Care proposal (bonds) or military committment that resonated loud and clear than Ann's little comment would have been just that.

But even a single hand clap can be heard in stone silence.

The correct response to Ann's comment is to observe the lack of flag pole to rally Americans around. In lieu of said positive focus, Ann's slight appears as a main attraction.

Republicans need to offer hope to America. CPAC is such a platform. What America got was not hope, but sports politics.

Well, good luck with that in 2008.



Raising the Bar for "Over the Top"
Coulter is one nasty witch and has been that way for years. Who can genuinely claim to be surprised by her witless remarks now? The mere fact that she is invited to Republican gatherings serves only to further demean the party without a purpose.

The Republicans had no problem running every limited government person out of the party but they won't even say "Boo!" to a malevolent, semi-psychotic harpy given to manic fits of ad hominem argumentation.

It shows you where their priorities lay.

Great points from Mudslinger
Mudslinger, I agree with most of your points, especially your "politics as sports" tag and "What's lacking is anything compelling to common man who doesn't follow politics."

However, I am of the mind that CPAC cannot be fixed and we shouldn't try. It no longer in any way represents mainstream conservatives. It's become a collection of wingnuts hawking books, tinfoil talk shows, personalities, and bumper sticker rhetoric. Better to let it remain a magnet for unappeasables -- and let those types fester and boil in some far, unlit corner of the big tent. We need to step around them, fast.

Did anyone see the video of a pretty young College Republican girl from Florida... she expressed shock and anxiety about what she called 'all the terrible things being said about immigrants' around CPAC. It was one of those unscripted moments that left a deep impression.

Inclusion - Not Ad Hominem
Ann Coulter knows that every gaffe will be publicized, politicized, and polerized by the media. She can stick her foot in her mouth as well as Senator John Kerry. She may believe that political correctness is a bad thing, but Ad Hominem attacks expose the intellectual laziness or worse the absence of a good argument on the part of the attacker. While name calling may appeal to the lowest common denominator, maybe CPAC isn't the best place to drop lowball jokes. Her strained attempt at humor failed to convey the message she hoped it would.

As one who has enjoyed Ann Coulters insightful substantive attacks, I am disappointed. I can only hope her future attempts to be the topic of discussion are supported with more thought provoking substance.

Oh, come on


She's not putting her foot in her mouth; that denotes an unintended gaffe. Coulter deliberately cultivates that offensive image, and Republicans continue to invite her because she gets press.

is there a point?
The entire routine/diatribe was intended as humourous. The terms used had a point, that there are some terms that cannot be used in the US without the speaker being seen as needing to go to the re-education camps. The "target" is one for whom a homosexual inclination is obviously a joke: just ask his kids, or his wife, and they'd laugh at anything else. Any other possible meanings of the words seem to be irrelevant which implies niggardly use of comprehension.

Better get used to goose-stepping as one cannot go above the lowest common denominator anymore.

Both sides have
good points. But this one is a yawner. Everyone sounds like a bunch of schoolgirls. "Did you just hear what Annie called Johnie?"

Coulter and Dirty Matt Sanchez
I wonder if Coulter, O'Reilly and Hannity realize that military guy from Columbia - Matt Sanchez - who they've all been praising and he got some humanitarian award is a well known gay porn star!! Sorry guys, you;ve been PUNKED!!! A little more research maybe???

Kids call each other faggot all
the time. Have you been to a baseball of a football field lately? It's just a little harsher that "gay". C’mon Mike, get over it. Instead worrying about Ann rethink your support for amnesty for illegals. Ann can take care of herself.

Ann is right to blast RINOs ...
because they are the ones who caused the GOP to lose big time in the House and Senate in the last election. Chafee was by far the worst, voting with Democrats on abortion, gay marriage, judges and even voting against GWB for president. The GOP establishment lost a lot of support because they betrayed their base by backing Chafee over his true GOP challenger. And it seems that Santorum paid for backing that RINO Specter.

Coulter is right that the GOP needs to get rid of the worst RINOs, so conservatives feel they have a party to vote for. As it is, the big tent GOP is just as spendthrift and gay-marriage-supporting as the Dems.

I like Amelia's point
Ann Coulter has her style, just like each of us has our own. The word "faggot" is NOT the new "F-word" and the only thing that makes this a problem for conservatism is a bunch of guys like Medved falling all over themselves to distance themselves from it while lecturing the rest of us on what we should think (and do) about it.

Why is it socially acceptable for kids to use the phrase "that's so gay"?

And wasn't it Medved who wrote an article a couple months ago about how we were being TOO accommodating to the gay lobby?

Style over Substance
1. Mike - I disagree with the style and substance of your column, you are heading into Left field.

2. Mick - I agree with the substance of your posting, but not your style. You are right in that the reason the (R)s are in the current state is because of playing nice with the (D)s instead of standing on principle.

3. Ann - I think you are sometimes funny. Anyone who thinks she is running for office needs an examination.

4. Howard - I do not see the logic of any Republican candidate apologizing for Ann or for Ann's remarks, she is not the Chairman of the RNC. As always Dean, open your mouth and you prove your idiocy.

5. Apollo - You act as if if Ann is somehow running the Conservative party. Perhaps you are a close associate of Howard Dean, you obviously missed Ann's point, vulgar as it was. Your posting proves the idiocy, as well as the lack of style, of your remarks.

Kimberly - No comments?

I'll tell you WHY Medved is right.
When we excuse Coulter's outrageous comments (as accurate as she often is in her analyses), or Tim Tancredo's rants that "America is Full", or call illegal aliens "invaders" (even though they SHOULDN'T be here illegally), we run a very dangerous risk. And that risk is that we move away from being CONSERVATIVES, and move toward becoming RIGHT WINGERS. And that's really just the opposite extreme of LEFT WINGERS.

I'm not a right winger or a left winger. I'm in the middle. I'm a Reagan CONSERVATIVE.

The Judeo Christian value tradition teaches that universal justice and love are essentially achieved with the left leaning virtue of COMPASSION balanced with the right leaning virtue of ACCOUNTABILITY. Left wingers (and liberals, their more moderate cousins) typically upset the balance and elevate compassion over accountability, usually when dealing with less fortunate groups of people, while right wingers do the opposite and typically elevate accountability over compassion when dealing with the same people.

But a true Reagan conservative strives to achieve the balance between the two values, on issue after issue. WE'RE the true moderates on the values and politics spectrum, while the further left you go, the more extreme you are in the elevation of compassion over accountability, and the more you see sensible conservatives as right wing extremists.

Meanwhile, we also shouldn't fall into the right wing trap of elevating accountability too much. For example: I passionately oppose all illegal immigration and ardently say we need a zero tolerance strategy at the border and with illegals already here, and we've got to severely punish employers who hire illegals. But I know most illegals are just trying to earn an otherwise honest living and it's our government's fault most of them are here, not theirs. We've got to keep that in perspective and not demonize them, otherwise we risk becoming the intolerant extremists the Left loves to say we are.

Maybe many of you are proud of calling yourselves right wingers, and that's fine. But I'm definitely a Reagan conservative, and it's my challenge to stay as close as possible to the balance of these values everyday.

ISAIAH WASHINGTON
Mr. Medved just wrote an entire article based on a straw man argument. Ann did not question Edwards' sexuality; she even said on H&C that it would be absurd for anyone to do so.

The joke was about Isaiah Washington using that word and then going into rehab (re-education camp?) for it. The joke was an attack on political correctness, not homosexuals. The inclusion of Edwards in the joke was more or less incidental. I'd bet there isn't a single person in the world who really believes Edwards is gay.

I think the joke would have been more appropriate in another venue, and I would never use that word for any of its meanings, but the liberal MSM would have been selectively outraged by it regardless of where she said it. It doesn't help that the MSM/liberals/Democrats know how quick conservatives are to throw our own overboard rather than do the hard work of defending those who deserve to be defended. Better to drop someone like a hot potato than risk bad media coverage. The Left’s strategy of making us terrified of being labeled homophobes (or racists, or sexists) based on the flimsiest of charges is working brilliantly.

The MSM will NEVER like conservatives. They will NEVER give us fair press. They will often twist our words and dishonestly refuse to put them in context. Stop trying to earn their favor by acquiescing to their histrionics.

We conservatives often complain that liberals are hypersensitive (e.g., "questioning someone's patriotism"). Let's not make the same mistake.

Amelia - I'm with you
I'm sick of this, can't we just get along, Rodney King - media hyped con job. What it always means is the right must compromise to the left - what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable. Conservatism isn't a political party - it's a philosophy. It doesn't mean this one day and that the next.

Over the last eight years, the republican party has basically did what it's wanted to, priciple be damned, treating the conservatives as an unwanted step-child. Where else will they go, as Rove put it. You see what happened to their political fortunes in the last election.

We already see what this doctrinal conpromise is doing to several Christian sects. It's all done to accomodate and fill pews, but it deviates from biblical teaching. From the outside, what the various protestant sects are doing looks rather disgusting. The Catholic Church can't even muster the guts to oust the politicos that vote for killing babies.

The way Medved is obsessed with this particular incident, you'd think Coulter attacked him personally. Perhaps there is some insecurity in his masculinity.

What he proposes with compromise will kill the conservative movement because it's adherants won't be able to identify it anymore. It's about time we rallied to our own rather than staking them out as sacrifices to 'compromise' with the barbarians.

WHY Medved is right: RELOADED
Re: my 3/7, 2:21 AM post above: Clarifying what I mean about being a conservative and not a right winger...

I definitely consider myself "right of center" politically and values-wise, since in our modern political context right now, anyone to the right of a liberal is basically "on the Right". I think a self-described moderate or centrist is usually a fence-sitter who can't make up their mind on most issues, doesn't want to alienate either group, or is not that interested in politics overall.

I definitely take my politics very seriously, and if a Reagan conservative is considered someone "on the Right", then that's where I am. But I just draw a real distinction between a Reagan conservative and your typical "right winger", as I described above.

pcon-T
Did I read that right? "[I]t's our government's fault" that illegal immigrants are here? That's no different than blaming Clinton, Bush, or the CIA for 9/11, or blaming the person whose home is robbed just because he left it unlocked. The responsibility for illegal behavior belongs to the criminals, not those who fail to fight them effectively.

Medved's Weak Premise
Don't say anything to upset the moderates and independents, because they might believe conservatives are bigoted.

Wake up. Liberals get a pass all day long. No matter what they say, they will always have plenty of "moderates" voting for them, despite their venom. That's part of the neat trick of having the MSM in your pocket.


Ann is trying to fire up the base; she wants to get them back on the same page as the party. My guess is she sees that as far more important than worrying about what some clown who can't make up his/her mind until he/she's in the booth might think almost 2 years before the next election.

Without that, the R party is going to have to go looking for votes from other sources, like maybe "guest workers". Sure they don't vote yet, but we still have some time before '08.


Lestat
You know damn well we've had pathetically lax border enforcement and follow-up with illegals who overstay their visas, etc. Because of the INEXCUSABLE policy of catch-and-release with illegals, we've turned entire offices into processing centers with illegals who of course would never show up as they were supposed to, making a mockery of our efforts there.

Don't misunderstand -- our agents have been doing a terrific, thankless job, but they've been getting very little support from the INS and other bureaucracies until this recently became a national issue, mostly due to 9/11.

And it is SICKENING that we haven't been coming down like a hammer on employers who knowingly hire illegals for the cheap labor.

Where's the progress on developing a tamper-proof, biometric national ID card, giving employers and employees no excuse for saying "Gee, I didn't know..."?

Meanwhile, take a look at the toilet called the Mexican government, and you'll get an idea why they're banging on the door to get in here.

I don't know... Bjorn F
Show me the "hateful rhetoric, viciousness and anti-gay bigotry" you refer to, and then offer me an alternative, and I'll let you know...

Screw you, Bjorn F
And that's NOT a hateful comment against a group; just a slanderer like YOU, Bjorn baby.

Take a look at my posts above, pal. Trust me, you DON'T understand conservatives or conservatism.

Bjorn F
Your argument is typical of a liberal: all emotion and little thought.

"Homophobia is serious and it's nothing to joke about and mean people demean and beat gays and people need to stop apologizing for it..."

Slow down and take a deep breath. Are you suggesting that Ann's joke was really about Edwards and not about Isaiah Washington's ridiculous penance for his comment (it was despicable THE WAY HE USED IT, but the rehab was silly)?

I already made it clear that I don't use words like that. I don't condone other people's use of it. But if it is quoted in a news story, that's OK. If I were trying to make a similar joke, especially in that forum, I would try to find a way to do so without using that particular word. Ann chose to QUOTE it, in keeping with her acerbic style. That is not the same as simply pulling it out of nowhere, in reference to no news story, and using it to attack someone who actually is, or is widely suspected of being, gay. Can you at least acknowledge that there is a difference? Your melodramatic post indicates that you are incapable of making such distinctions.

pcon-T
I agree with your 3:26 AM post, and the lack of enforcement makes me angry, too. But that's not the same as saying it's the government's fault. It is the illegal aliens' fault. As you said, it would be improper to unfairly demonize them, but we do need to lay the blame where it really belongs. Our response to their lawbreaking is another matter.

best post on Ann Coulter
My pick is the one by Amelia.

Joke About a TV Show--Grey's Anatomy by

Guess some of you uptight male conservative types have never watched the TV show to which Ann Coulter was referring. Ever read MySpace.com or Face book?

That's a pretty common expression these days and does NOT necessarily refer to a person's sexuality.

Guess a strong brash woman is just too threatening for some. I cannot imagine Ronald Reagan going into hysterics the way so many male bloggers have done about this.

Why not just publicly stone her to restore your pristine honor? I don't think I want to be a part of a party that eats its own and gives those wishing VP Cheney dead a pass.

I have nothing in common with dour, humorless dolts who are so insecure in their own masculinity that they feel threatened even when something is said about somebody else. Now note I did not call you this but if the shoe fits. . .

Silly me
I just realized, after reading Bjorn F's latest post, that he's a pure hater. Too often I make the mistake of engaging liberals with the notion that they're open to correction using facts and reason. Nothing that I or anyone could say would change his mind about anything. He hates, and he's closed to debate. He just comes here to throw bombs. I have nothing more to say to you, Bjorn F.

Petrovian
Is Michelle Malkin's manhood threatened by "a strong brash woman?" I'm a conservative man and I'm partially defending Ann. I think you're grossly misreading people's motives.

Ann Coulter...
...is an entertainer. She is not a politician, she is not a political pundit. She writes books, and does the talk show circuit to sell those books. She can be shrill, harsh and mean, so what? If you don't like what she has to say, don't listen. Its all anyone can really do.

As for me, I lump her in with Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity and so many others. They go out of there way to raise hackles but they are entertaining, if you don't take them too seriously.

I find her comment no more offensive then numerous comments made by the left. Those comments were meant in half hearted jest as well, I somehow manage to avoid apoplexy. Everybody needs to grow up and get a life. Or has PC so inundated our community that no one can say anything without a hue and cry.

Bjorn F
The moron prattles its filth of ignorance and stupidity.

Amazing.

What Am I missing?
If the candidate ignores the controversy, he looks gutless and paralyzed in the face of obviously inappropriate and over-the-top insults.

Why is this innappropriate, let alone obviously innappropriate?

Bjorn F
Are you trying to defend the honor of homosexuals? Is that your point? Why would any homosexual be offended by Ann's use of the term in question? Because Edward's ISN'T gay?

It was a childish slur and only children are offended.

Metrosexual's
I have noticed the metrosexual's on here cannot clarify a point in a mini paragraph, rather they need multiple (innuendo intended) paragraphs to achieve a clear point. I know they are going to come back and demonstrate they issue is so complex it require's so many words to effectively state, that what needs to be stated. Oh, they are so intropspective!

I'm Italian do I enjoy greaser, or dego, Wap, no. Does that mean if someone uses one of those words I can never speak to them, no, they might even be having a conversation with me. It just drips off my wet back. Man we are so damn sensative!

Tasteless and unladylike but
not fatal. In this day when "civilized discourse" is considered quaint and dated, and anyone who objects that "You suck!" isn't an argument is called a "prude" and a "dinosaur", it's just Not Done to criticize someone who behaves like a low class hussy in a public place.

In the age of Me, running into mommy's party shouting "poo poo head!" is considered the height of cleverness. Why would anybody criticize a tasteless, unladylike baby who stands up in front of a nationally broadcast party and yells "poo poo head"?

I have long ago tired of listening to Ann Coulter's sauce. This is just one more example of a spoiled little girl who has been told all her life that her spew is "cute". That's all.

Faggots
Ann may not always say the right thing but she's the only Republican today that speaks up and doesn't acted like a Big Weenie. When the Weeniecans were in the majority they allowed the Demoncrats to threaten, conjol and in general scare the pants off the former Majority party making them look weak and useless(which they were). The couldn't even get the Death Tax made permanent. (Because they really didn't want to).

Oh......
I'm enlightened! Restrict what is allowable to speak. I was going to say N****r but townhall and society has restricted that for me. N****r is offensive because they were slaves and were whipped, beaten and even killed, just a little bit different than others having strong opinions.

Oh......
I'm enlightened! Restrict what is allowable to speak. I was going to say N****r but townhall and society has restricted that for me. N****r is offensive because they were slaves and were whipped, beaten and even killed, just a little bit different than others having strong opinions.

Bjorn F
The term in question is NOT the most derogatory term that Ann could have used had her intent been to display hatred for male homosexuals. I know it, and you know it. And I'll wager dollars to donuts that Ann knows it, too.

I don't believe that Ann hates homosexuals anymore than I believe that she hates Democrats. You, on the other hand appear to be full of it.

Again: The term "faggot" is a childish slur and only children will be offended by it.

Excellent piece!
True conservatives won't blame the lamestream media, equally-offensive comments by LibbieDems, etc... for the- once again- buffoonish antics of Coulter. True conservatives- those who do more than merely pay lip service to the concepts of civility, of accepting responsibility for one's own actions, of "doing unto others", etc... will rightly condemn Coulter's words (while yes, admitting of her right to spew such mindless invective), and dissassociate her from thoughtful, mainstream conservatism.

The mouth-breathing Right will endorse her.

Send in the clowns, Ann...

The real problem
The real problem with Coulter's comments is that they were totally unnecessary. They were "look at me" comments. She wanted to draw attention to herself and she accomplished that. The comments added nothing to the national debate on any issue.

As to the "politics as sports" analogy, it is for precisely that reason that her commetns weere even more out-of-line. How often have we read about some athlete or another giving the other team bulletin board material because of his big mouth? That's exactly what Coulter did here.

When Coulter first started appearing on the scene, she was interesting because she was so outspoken. She's just never learned when it's time to shut up.

Andrew Sullivan
Not surprisingly Andrew Sullivan has some interesting thoughts on this and I would urge anyone who hasn't already read it to do so. Here is the link:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/03/faggots.html
I know Sullivan may not be everyone Townhall posters favourite blogger but there is no denying he is a very bright bloke. And although I am not a homosexual I can understand his point; coming out of the closet must be one of the hardest things to do.


Get over it...
The time or place could have been better...but that said...are we done with this, now? I will wait with baited breath for Dean to denouce Bill Maher from the DNC...hahahaha.

The choice of words
Now if she had said Edwards was 'clean and articulate' and possibly 'niggardly' (although this seldom applies to liberals unless it comes to using their money instead of taxpayers' money for their programs), I wonder if there would have been outrage?

I think 'maggot' may have been my word of choice, but that would have been out of the context Coulter was using.

I also wonder when liberals will be forced to restrict their use of labels -- as distinguished from certain adjectives which are allegedly 'offensive' to certain members of their constituency if said by one of their own liberal champions?

BTW, 'faggot' also means 'a bundle of dry sticks'.

Nee
I think I'm right in saying that Bill Maher is not strictly affiliated to either political party. The comments he made were off the cuff during a chat about free speach on a television show. Why shold the DNC say anything about them? Coulter's comments came at a conservative conference and were premeditated. She is also a registered Republican. Big difference.

Build a bridge...
...and get over it!

I love Ann Coulter because she always has a way of pointing out liberal stupidity by turning it back on them with humor.

As one of my all-time favorite literary characters (Stud Cantrell in Paul Hemphill's "Long Gone") said, "F*** 'em if they can't take a joke!"

yes, Michael, poor Annie was quoted out
context by liberals:


In "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," the uncompromisingly right-wing Coulter writes the Jersey Girls have no right to criticize President Bush or any of the failures that led to the terror attacks.

"These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis," Coulter writes.

"And by the way, how do we know their husbands weren't planning to divorce these harpies? Now that their shelf life is dwindling, they'd better hurry up and appear in Playboy. . .

"These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them."

Build a bridge...
...and get over it!

I love Ann Coulter because she always has a way of pointing out liberal stupidity by turning it back on them with humor.

As one of my all-time favorite literary characters (Stud Cantrell in Paul Hemphill's "Long Gone") said, "F*** 'em if they can't take a joke!"

Ann can apologize when...
...Ward Churchill apologizes for calling the 3,000 dead at the World Trade Center "Little Eichmanns."

...Michael Moore apologizes for saying -- on September 11, 2001, mind -- that the terrorists should have attacked "red" states.

...Jane Fonda apologizes (and goes to prison) for her treason during the Vietnam war (propagandizing for the enemy is treason (giving the enemy aid and comfort). Michael Moore, call your office.)

...Cameron Diaz or Jennifer Anniston (whoever it was, I cannot remember which) apologize for saying that George Bush wanted to legalize rape.

...Louis Farakhan apologizes for calling Judaism a "Gutter Religion." (And means it)

...Ted Turner apologizes for calling Christianity a "Loser religion." (And means it)

...Dan Rather and Mary Mapes apologize for running a libelous, fraudulent story about President Bush's National Guard service.

...Lt. Col. Bill Burket (TX ANG, Ret) apologizes for forging the "evidence" for the above story, including the signature of the late Jerry Killian, Lt. Col, TX ANG, and when he submits to a court martial for the forgery of an official memorandum.

...Tawana Brawley, Al Sharpton, Alton Maddox, and Vernon Mason apologize for attempting to frame Steven Pagones for a rape that was never committed.

...Crystal Mangum and Mike Nifong apologize to David Evans, Reade Seligmann, Colin Finnerty, Duke University and the Duke University Lacrosse team for attempting to frame them for a rape that was never committed.

...Cynthia McKinney (et al.) apologize for insinuating and/or flat out accusing the Bush administration of prior knowledge of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including the exact date, time, and method, and of withholding that information until the attacks happened so we could go to war in Afghanistan.

...John Edwards apologizes for his bloggers and their vulgar, blasphemous comments about Christianity, and fires the one remaining on his staff.

...James Cameron, and the Discovery Channel apologize for running a piece whose intent was to cast doubt on the central tenets of Christianity by claiming to have found the tomb of Jesus who, according to the show, not only didn't raise from the dead, but married and fathered at least one child.

I'm sure I'm leaving a bunch out, but you get the idea.

HJG

More Ann (unfortunately)...
"'F*ggot isn't offensive to gays; it has nothing to do with gays," [Ann] Coulter said on "Hannity and Colmes" Monday night. "It's a schoolyard taunt meaning 'wuss' ...

Is THIS what our- allegedly- leading spokespeople are now reduced to, schoolyard taunts? And at a significant gathering of conservatives? Whatever happened to thoughtful, intelligent conservatism?

OldTimer
Faggot is also a type of meatball, until recently popular and widely available in northern Britain and advertised on national television. Brain's Faggots were the popular brand if I remember rightly. But I don't see what point you are making; Coulter was hardly referring to a bundle of sticks or a meatball, was she?

my 2 cents
There are 11 months until the first primary and 20 months until the general election and the level of dialogue (monologue?) is already this low on both sides and that is scary.

IMO Ms. Coulter should

1) Apologize to Mr. Edwards in person. (Never Happen)
2) Apologize to Mr. Edwards in print. (Never Happen)

Then the rest of us troubled mortals can begin to

3) GET OVER IT

And that will never happen because we don't want to get over it.

Q: If you and someone are having a pushing contest with each other and you are standing in a pool of water and you suddenly STOP pushing what is going to happen to the other person?


Disappointed with Ann
I was greatly impressed with Ann Coulter's books, "Slander", and especially, "Treason".

In "Treason", she documents the extent of communist spy infiltration of FDR's administration.

Some revisionist historians even now refuse to admit the Communist Party USSR controlled the American communist party, or that Alger Hiss was a communist agent, in spite of Venona cable revelations.

But Ann Coulter's recent public comments and television appearances have greatly eroded the respect I had previously accorded her(by virtue of her books).

I no longer read her columns, nor do I have any desire to see her on television. She has become a tiresome caricature of herself.

Earth to Ann: "Get a clue. You are neither clever nor amusing...and for God's sake, put on 25 pounds...you look anorexic...and it ain't attractive".

Wimps
The reaction of conservatives, like Medved, to Ann's hilarious comment clearly demonstrates that they have given up free thought for intellectual subjugation to political correctness. Ann stands up and faces the politically correct left like a man, unlike so many cowardly cowering “conservatives” like, Medved, Romney, Giuliani, and their spineless brethren. The conservative movement is losing to the left because we lack real leadership and instead must endure appeaser wimps at the helm.

Get your story straight, Michael
"And we certainly don’t need to endorse automatic amnesty or “open borders” as a way to connect with Latino voters – but we might want to avoid widespread public advertising for games like “Find the Illegal Immigrant” (devised by a College Republicans chapter in New York City) or giving undeserved respect to crackpot fringe groups like the scandal-tainted “Minute Man Civil Defense Corps.”. "

You may be talking about the Minuteman Project, but there is no scandal involving the MCDC. Wise up.

Ann Coulter
In my opinion, Ann Coulter's performance was totally absent of class and respectability. I defend her right to say what she said, but I also reserve my right to denounce it.


Trouble??
I have agreed with Ann Coulter more than I have disagreed with her. However, Ann is to the right as what Howard Dean is to the left. TROUBLE

Wimps?
Taskwazen-

How is calling a political opponent a 'faggot' "real leadership?"

???

Michael get it straight!!
When has (pardon the pun) “pandering” to gay sensibilities ever elected a Republican or forwarded the conservative agenda. If Michael wants to crusade against an unfair male slur perhaps he might wish to address the way non-urban white males are treated in popular culture 365 days a year.

Taskwazen - you're wrong
The overwhleming majority of Americans are moderate, whether they are moderate Democrats or moderate Republicans. If you want the Republican party to move into the fringes of political debate then fine you continue supporting crazy Annie. Because what she said belongs on the lunatic fringe and no-one with any real leadership qualities would think otherwise.

Taskwazen
You said, "The conservative movement is losing to the left because we lack real leadership and instead must endure appeaser wimps at the helm."

No, the "conservative movement" is losing, because we have lost sight of our basic principles. Many also appear to be further willing to sell them out and support totally non-conservative candidates such as Giuliani or McCain.

Calling someone a "faggot" is NOT a principle, but is a classless attack on someone that serves no purpose whatsoever, besides possibly alienating or insulting a lot of people for no reason.

Medved misses mark. Again.
Ann Coulter is brilliant but also angry. Maybe that's why so many didn't get her joke. It was complex and not particularly funny. Now the libs have their thongs in a knot. They are not content with their recent election victory. They need more, so they cheer the "Scooter" Libby travesty and want to smear the GOP and conservatism at large because Ann Coulter made yet another caustic remark that was mis-interpreted as an attempt to "out" John Edwards. Please. All she was saying is that he is despicable and that the fragile libs would want to send HER TO REHAB if she dared say what she really thought of him.

Once again Medved writes a worthless column in a futile attempt to paint his holier-than-homos bigotry is some kind of favorable light.

QParker
I can think of at least one prominent conservative Republican who "pandered" to "gay sensibilites" and was able to advance a conservative agenda... Ronald Reagan... his opposition to the anti-homosexual Briggs propostion in California... 2 years later nominated for the GOP Prez spot... and winning the national election.

(Or does Ronald Reagan no longer meet the 'purity' of some so-called conservatives anymore?)

QParker
Don't you think we have our work cut out for us the way it is, trying to get back to our core principles?:

- limited constitutional government
- personal privacy
- personal responsibility
- strong national defense
- fiscally responsible government
- individual liberty


As far as whether someone is gay or not, I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing where that is any concern of mine, unless they are trying to force it on me, or someone else.

To ALL Ann hammering ttrolls
All the cr*p you see above from the left wing trolls is the same crap you see any time Ann posts an article. Yes, I am tired of hearing about this so-called controversy, but I’m sure we will continue to hear about it over and over because it sells copy.

I like Ann’s over the top brand of political humor. Not only is in FUNNY, but it is also true when ever she actually states a fact. I have come to the conclusion that most of the Republican Party has a severe case of sprung neck from bending over to kiss the *ss of the first Democrap they see. Let’s make nice with swimmer Ted and enact NO Politician Left Behind. Let’s see if there is any money left with a new Drug Bill. Let’s bend over and offer ourselves more openly and be sure NOT to offend anybody.

All of this self-flagellation over Ann Coulter making a back-handed comment about the Pretty-Boy Ambulance Chaser is self-defeating cr*p. Get over it and Shut up. Leave the Ann hammering to the trolls and figure out how to advance the call of conservatives.

I want all of you phuedo-conservatives to know one thing, if I bend over, it will be for a libtard to KMA, not for other nefarious purposes.

HE IS AN IDDIOT
He is an iddiot concerning Coulter. She comes across as another stupid dumb blond, just like
Elizabth Dole. Dole came across so bad in the last election that she wanted a pole of republicans to prove her right that we would retain control. What she lacked (IQ= minus60)
is that other people vote besides Republicans.
So as for the other dumb blond, Coulter, have you ever heard her speak?????? If so, you would want to rush the stage and strangle the (RHYMES WITH WITCH). Why is the republican party lacking in leadership brains. During the period leading up to the last election, Frist, another moron, did not answer charge for charge against the democrats. Our leaders sit on their hand (or have their hands up their butts) they let the democrats and the media steal the thunder OF EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! For example, Hurricane Katrina, our leaders said nothing while the democrats were putting negative spins against the us. THEY NEVER ANSWERED THE CHARGES ABOUT LA. ALL IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NEEDED IS TO DRIVE THE POINTS HOME THAT TEXAS FLORIDA, AND MISSISSIPPI COULD HANDLE IT HOW COME LA COULD NOT!!!!!!!!!!! LIKE I SAID PLAIN DUMB.
NEXT TIME OUR LEADERS, INCLUDING COULTER, HAVE THEIR HANDS UP THEIR BUTTS, THEY SHOULD TAKE THEM OUT AND STICK IT IN THEIR MOUTHS. IT MIGHT JUST TASTE GOOD TO THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C'mon
If Ann had more appropriately referred to Edwards as a weasel would that have meant he was secretly a 4 legged, furry, slender animal with a long nose?

Get a life and lighten up for heavens sake!!! Ann Coulter has a sense of humor that is biting and sometimes exercised at the expense of a PUBLIC figure.

I think Michael is suggesting that we should not criticize that which we oppose and embrace the Democratic ideology in order to entice people to join us. OK...then what!!!!

Michael Medved
Michael Medved's article on Ann Coulter and the future of the Conservatives is brilliant and pitch perfect. Coulter may be a brilliant writer and thinker most of the time but she has an anger management problem and quite clearly is not funny. The numerous times in the past when she felt inclined to retroactively proclaim some controversial remark "funny" after it provoked a negative reaction proves that point. When you have to explain a joke it must not be funny.

There is no upside to Republicans using bad language or using epithets ever. The popular culture, controlled by the Left, will not give us the same pass that is routinely granted to the left.

Conservatives in this country are a minority but they have become big enough to become self perpetuating and to develop a profitable niche. Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity are happier when Conservatives are out of power-it enhances their edgy outrage. Reaching out to more Americans to expand a Conservative base is a risky marketing strategy because nuanace, sophistication and politeness does not sell-just compare the sales of George Will's latest book to Ann Coulter's.

I think it's about time I distance
myself from Michael Medved.

What's In A Name?
Ann Coulter is normally quite good at choosing an appropriate moniker for those she loathes. Unfortunately, this was not one of them. She possesses a much more advanced talent for demeaning the demean-able, and she should have chosen something more commensurate with the real John Edwards.

Personally, I am thankful to have someone like her available to throw the rocks as I am trying to repent of such behavior.

You must admit one thing about him that is obvious. He certainly is an attractive "bundle of sticks."


"Bundle of sticks" is about right
Give me Malkin any day. Eurgh I can't believe I just said that. I must go take a shower.

Ann Coulter
I agree with & admire Ann, however I also agree with your article. We can't afford to lose the numbers who're going to be turned off by her recent remarks. I'm from NC, and I to, despise John Edwards. About the only thing good I can say about this animal, is that he's not gay. Ann, let's get votes, not grenade throwing publicity. Still love her though. Tom

My problem with Ann Coulter
is that she doesn't PERSUADE.

If you do not agree with her columns going in, you won't agree with them coming out.

The conservative pundits we need are the ones who can put their viewpoints before the world at large and back them up with logic, reason, and common sense. We need writers who can SHOW, rather than merely tell, how liberal "logic" is failing us and how compassion, if it is to have any meaning or worth at all, must be balanced by accountability and responsibility. We need them to SHOW how our educational system is broken beyond repair, how our glorification of bankrupt celebrities is leading us down a dangerous path, how amnesty for illegal aliens is painfully unjust to those immigrants who came into this country LEGALLY and have citizenship as their genuine aim, how the establishment of English as our national language will help the Latino community far more than it will harm it, how our hypersexualized popular culture demeans both men and women and contributes to bitterness between the genders, and so forth, and so on.

These kind of writers don't pander to the "moderates" that many of the posters here despise. Instead, they might actually PERSUADE them, and bring them to a greater understanding of the problems that beset this country and potential solutions.

I can remember reading a Townhall poster's comment: "A preacher who truly preaches from the Spirit of the Lord will make the heathen run screaming into the night."

THIS IS A BIG MISTAKE.

A closer look at the Gospels, the Epistles, and the Great Commission reveals something different. A truly Spirit-filled preacher does not drive the heathen away. He makes them STOP AND LISTEN. He plants a seed in their minds. And maybe, just maybe, either at that sermon or a few sermons down the road, he persuades them to take a seat on the front pew -- NOT, I hasten to add, to bring their heathenism with them, but to abandon it and join the family of God.

In our ideological zeal, we're entirely too ready to dismiss huge numbers of people, to give them up for lost. It is true that we have people who ARE lost, who wouldn't respond to logic and common sense and persuasive examples even if we bludgeoned them over the head with such. But how hard have we really tried? How often have we simply bypassed any efforts at genuine persuasion and leapt straight to invective?

Medved is right on this point: Coulter would have had plenty to say about Edwards without leaping to personal attack. She could have given his destructive Left-leaning policies a good going-over and mopped the floor with them, holding the SINS, rather than the sinner, up to ridicule. Taking a politician's false positions and holding them up to the light and showing, through clear logic and reason, how and why they don't work -- THIS is persuasion. And persuasion can be funny; you don't need to resort to name-calling in order to be entertaining.

But instead of persuading people who might be undecided, on the fence, and ready to hear a well-constructed message supported by strong specific examples, columnists like Ann only drive them further away and accentuate ideological fissures. Is this REALLY a way for conservatives to "take back the country" -- to drive out anyone who doesn't already agree with us?

As far as I can see, we should seek to change America, one mind at a time. And Coulter's current tactics are not the way to do it. Instead we need to look towards the likes of Thomas Sowell.

Out of touch
"Republicans don’t need to drop our implacable opposition to gay marriage in order reach out to gays." -- This says it all. The Republican big tent is based on pandering. You tell the gays you'll be nice to them at the same time you're celebrating the conservative Republican minister who runs "godhatesfags.com". Campain as the "support the troops" party while cutting the VA. It catches up to you.

Critical Bill
How's the taxes in Britain these days? Shouldn't you be directing your efforts at home as vigorously as you do here?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/05/ntax05.xml

Tehran Kimmy
Why do you swing by my blog and check the story on Obama draining the swamp, the Dhimmicrat's way? Or better still, see how y'all..."Give peace a Chance!"

How's the military analyst job working out at CNN with you and Baghdad Bob?

Republican counterpoint to Michael Moore
Ann asserts that she was delivering a good joke about politically correct use of language. After all use of the offensive word did result in a star from Grey's Anatomy entering rehab. She has said that it is obvious that Edwards is not a faggot and that the term is just a common schoolyard adolescent term meaning very little.

I think that if she used her insulting language on the entertainment circuit, it would not bother me. What is troublesome is the fact that she was a featured speaker at a conservative gathering. I suggest conservatives no longer book Ann as a speaker. I love her books, attitude and humor but I do not want her as a proponent of public policy.

AlbertMohler said this
Ann Coulter is a woman of many gifts and many right ideas. She can be an eloquent spokeswoman for conservative convictions and a prophetic critic of secular liberalism. Unfortunately, she can also be her own worst enemy.

Last week, as she addressed the American Conservative Union's Political Action Conference, she made a deplorable reference to former Sen. John Edwards. Here are her words, as spoken to the conference:

"I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word "faggot," so I – so kind of an impasse, can't really talk about Edwards."

Coulter remains unrepentant about the slur, saying, "I'm so ashamed, I can't stop laughing." She added: "C'mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean."

Mean? Ann Coulter has turned herself into the evil queen of mean. She has lowered herself to embarrassing theatrics and crude humor. More seriously, she clearly does not mean all insults as a joke. In a recent book, she attacked some 9/11 widows as publicity hounds. She has a tawdry record of cheap shots, crude slurs, and indefensible personal attacks.

Conservative institutions cannot afford any association with this kind of language or attack. The issues are far too serious to be treated in this manner, and the very convictions Ann Coulter often defends are now sullied by association with her.

Referring to John Edwards by using a word meant to demean homosexuals? What was she thinking? Ann Coulter has never been married. She has been known for once dating Bob Guccione, Jr., son of the Penthouse magazine magnate. John Edwards, on the other hand, has been married for almost thirty years to his wife, Elizabeth. Together they have had four children, Wade, Cate, Emma Claire, and Jack.

Wade died in a tragic car accident at age 16, throwing the Edwards family into a grief that often tears spouses apart. Their marriage not only survived the tragedy, but went on to produce Emma Claire and Jack. John Edwards stood by his wife through her more recent fight with breast cancer, and there has never been a scandal associated with their long marriage.

I oppose John Edwards' political platform, but not John Edwards the man, husband, and father. I do not want to see him elected President of the United States, but this has everything to do with his political positions, not his personal life. I do not appreciate his crude oversimplification of the challeges that face our nation, but I must oppose any crude talk about John Edwards the man.

So . . . why would Ann Coulter use that word? And, even more troubling to me, why would any in her audience laugh? There is nothing remotely funny about that word in any context. It is meant to hurt when boys use it in the locker room, and it was meant to hurt when Ann Coulter used it when speaking to a conservative audience. It demeans homosexuals and should be banned from any acceptable discourse.

How can homosexuals think anything but the worst of a movement that would laugh at the use of this slur? How can we think any better of ourselves if we stand by and let it happen?




Gunny
Glad to see you managed to restrain yourself at the march over the weekend to avoid a spell of picking up the soap in a Washington clink. As for your post, only the Telegraph would be desperate enough to believe that a right wing think tank moaning about taxes constitutes "news". The Telegraph and you. And Lynne, I know you're ignoring me but that defense is about as good as Scooter Libby's turned out to be.

Dave
The problem I have with what you wrote is that none of the people you named are conservatives..."Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity". Every one of 'em is a RINO. How often do you hear them talk of conservative fundamental principles?

- limited constitutional government
- personal privacy
- personal responsibility
- strong national defense
- fiscally responsible government
- individual liberty

Mohler
Note that John Edwards "stood by" his wife while she was fighting cancer. Like that's a shock. I mean, what kind of low life wouldn't stand by his wife when she was fighting cancer? Oh, why of course - Newt - that kind of low life.

Vic
Are you calling me a "left wing troll"?

Vic
If so, you'd better be good and ready to defend your position.

Dem.'s are doing a good job of it.
In your opening paragraph you said the doom speaking complainers were on the fringe. Seems like the Dem.'s sorta jumped to the forefront by doing it. I think you have been on the West Coast too long and all of the Liberal B.S. is soaking into your brain. Do you really think Queen Hilly is not going to get down in the gutter and pull every punch possible to win the election? The Republicans will be standing by again wondering what happened and why the mean old Dem.s were so mean to them.

On the mark,
Conservatives have bought into liberal tactic, "the end justifies the means."

Conservatives once believed 'how you win is as important as winnning'. e.g., Reagan, He won with grace. No longer. All the venom and caustic rehetoric has come back to poison conservatism. Rabid contempt is what is honored.

Compromise
While I respect Mr. Medved's opinion, I think that the Republican party has gotten where it is today because of the same "inclusiveness" that he espouses. Look at our current president- he appoints John McCain and Ted Kennedy to draft the education bill; he endorses the RINO Allen Spectre in Pennsylvania, rather than a more conservative candidate (and how does Mr Spectre thank the president? By opposing him on every measure or policy he has submitted). And where has that gotten him? An approval rating of 30%, and a constant battle to get anything done. Maybe Anne was a bit too harsh with her statement; but I think it is past time for the Republicans to stand up for themselves, and stop turning the other cheek. Why not take a page from the Democrats book and, when a Republican says or does something questionable instead of turning on them and throwing them to the dogs, we should rally around them and defend them. That seemed to work for Bill Clinton, didnt it?

ADDITION OR SUBTRACTION .... by MEDVED
I have a real problem here with Mr. Medved's piece. The problem is that by referring to the word "faggot" as a "slur" or as the "dreaded f word he is perhaps unkowingly lending comfort to the enemy, the enemy in this case being the "gay rights" movement. This column confirms the left's position that homosexuality is somehow equivalent to race or ethnicity in terms of legal protection. There is no equivalence here at all.
The fact of the matter is that no culture that has normalized homosexuality has ever continued to prosper. This not so much because of homosexuality as such, but because its acceptance is a final symptom in the degeneration of the institution of marriage. "those few homosexuals who still vote Republica"????? The Republican party has been in power for nearly 7 years and have not made a dent in the advancement of the gay agenda.
WAKE UP MR. MEDVED? What Ann did was give you an opportunity to make the point that, even though insults to any group are inappropriate in the name Christian charity, homosexuality is NOT a valid civil rights consideration. With regard to the latter point the column says not a DA____ word!

Medved is only half right
Medved said some very intelligent things in this article. And Republicans would be wise to listen to him. In fact, you should make him head of the RNC.

The fact is, the American people are slowly but surely losing respect for the Republican party.

But it's not only because of style, it also has to do with substance; specifically, it has to do with something called "integrity".

The more Republicans try to downplay and ignore and cover up for the lies of this White House the less and less credibility they're going to have.

Look at how many of Townhall's columnists had the guts to come out say anything about the Libby case today. And from what I've heard, ALL of the Republican party operatives like Medved and Prager and Limbaugh are defending Libby. Prager even had the audacity to say that Fitzgerald is equal to Micahel Nifong.

Let me make this perfectly clear for you Republicans:

YOU CANNOT DEFEND LIBBY AND STILL CLAIM TO CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH!

This case was about the truth. Scooter Libby lied in order to conceal the truth. So if you are defending Libby, or criticising Fitzgerald, you are openly declaring that you are declaring that truth is of no concern to you.

And if Republicans can't admit this then you're doomed as a party because your party will be forever associated, not only with vulgarity and bigotry, but with dishonesty and corruption.

Or just keep it up. I must admit that the crack up of the Republican Party under the misleadership of George Bush is giving me quite a perverse thrill.

Phylo out.

Michael, heal thyself
While I agree that Ann Coulter has, like most comics (which is what she is at heart), gone one step over the line in trying to get an "edgy" laugh, I find it hypocritical of Mr. Medved to criticize her for the very thing he does himself now almost daily on his radio show.

While I am not a Libertarian myself, I can see how they, like homosexuals, could be offended by gratuitous remarks made towards them.

His use of the term "Loser-tarian" at every chance doesn't exactly bode well for the future in terms of bringing the massive numbers into the Republican fold. (many republican voters are in actuality Libertarians with no place else to go).

His continual emphasis on engaging and then deriding mostly the far-out wing of his opposition via his "conspiracy day" on the show, makes sure that he's not winning over many converts from that fold, either. He uses music and general comments that tend to paint them all as wackos, whether or not their ideas make at least some sense. The guy who has a reasonable "conspiracy" is treated with the same derision as the guy who may be mistaken but has a logical point.


His newest vote-burning tactic is probably consultant based. Or it could just be the crankiness that sets in in old age with most of us. Someone has told him to be "edgier" and "angrier", and more "in your face", ala most of the bigger names in radio. So now, rather than tuning in for interesting discussion and ideas in a polite atmosphere (a welcome respite from most talk radio), it has become a verbal Jerry Springer show with insults and rude behavior the norm.

The best comeback for a wrong liberal point of view is logic, not an eyeroll, deep sigh, and a quick hook from the show. It's like using the classic wrestler's move of "tagging out" when you're about to be pinned. Instead, why not take a break, formulate an answer, and come back to the caller instead of dumping them?
(no, I have never called the show)

Ann Coulter is polarizing. But that's her personality. This Bush type pandering and groveling and selling out to win votes is not her style, nor mine.

I'd rather lose a race than elect another George Bush. Call it "cruel to be kind". Maybe we need to "bottom out" before we can rebuild.