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Wednesday, October 11, 2006
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
Economic and religious conservatives are united - not divided by core values
by Michael Medved
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With the approach of the crucial mid-term elections, and especially after the media obsession with the internet correspondence of Congressman Mark Foley, numerous liberal commentators eagerly anticipate a shattering crack-up of the conservative movement. While the outcome of the November balloting remains very much in doubt, these gleeful predictions of GOP disaster demonstrate an ignorant misunderstanding of the essential nature of the Republican coalition, and grossly exaggerate the gap between “religious” and “economic” conservatives.

Paul Krugman, for instance, New York Times columnist, bestselling author and Princeton professor, recently published a piece called “Things Fall Apart.” In it, he declared: “At its core, the political axis that currently controls Congress and the White House is an alliance between the preachers and the plutocrats- between the religious right, which hates gays, abortion and the theory of evolution, and the economic right, which hates Social Security, Medicare and taxes on rich people…Together, these groups formed a seemingly invincible political coalition, in which the religious right supplied the passion and the economic right supplied the money.”

Krugman insists that the movement will inevitably self destruct because its members don’t share a philosophy or even common aims. “The coalition, however, has always been more vulnerable than it seemed because it was an alliance based not on shared goals, but on each group’s belief that it could use the other to get what it wants,” he writes. In other words, he suggests cooperation within the conservative movement has always been self-serving, hypocritical, contradictory and cynical. He makes the fatal mistake of many ideologues: feeling so certain of his own enlightened righteousness that he can’t even acknowledge the sincerity of his opponents. “Surrounding this core is a large periphery of politicians and lobbyists who joined the movement not out of conviction but to share in the spoils,” he sniffs.

This attitude reflects the common assumption that the impassioned members of a Pentecostal church in Alabama can’t possibly endorse the same worldview as Ivy League-educated intellectuals at a conservative Washington think tank – an assumption that ignores the obvious fact that some ideological commitments cut across class, religious, educational, economic and even racial lines. The agreement on major issues that has fueled Republican successes since the Reagan Revolution is authentic and organic, not strategic or calculating.

For instance, religious conservatives support low taxes not as a sop to their economic conservative allies, but because they believe that families will make better decisions on spending their own money than bureaucrats. Inheritance taxes are at least as offensive to people of faith as they are to small government reformers since these “death taxes” assault one of the ultimate family values: the ability to pass on to the next generation the fruits of a lifetime of hard work. By the same token, economic Republicans who want to limit governmental bureaucracy and spending will support the home-schooling practiced by many of their Christian colleagues not as some concession to Fundamentalists, but because they share the core principle that individual Americans should depend less on government and more on themselves.

Even some issues that are supposed to drive a wedge between the “preachers” and “plutocrats” can, if properly understood, bring the two factions together. Consider the debate over federal funding for embryonic stem cell research: where even the most secular, libertarian-tinged, economic conservatives will rightly question the necessity of government financing for scientific work that remains profoundly controversial. Leaders of the religious right don’t seek a government ban on this area of scientific investigation so long as it’s privately funded—they only want to avoid tax-payer support and the societal endorsement that comes with it. By the same token, opposition to same sex marriage doesn’t involve any effort to block or penalize private gay relationships, but merely a desire to stop the governmental sanction and support involved in state backed matrimony. During all debates on the National Endowment of the Arts and the condemnations of their generous grants to sacrilegious expression, people of faith didn’t clamor for censorship--- they wanted only to avoid government sponsorship. If an artist chose to display a crucifix in urine in his own garage, not even the most outspoken religious conservative would have demanded that the police invade his premises to halt the blasphemy.

In all these areas, the libertarian and faith-based impulses can and do reach similar conclusions: hoping to keep government disentangled from ongoing efforts to challenge age-old religious values, and striving to use all available means to shore up societal support for the traditional family.

Yes, economic and religious conservatives may emphasize different priorities: Christian activists will care more passionately about abortion, while money-minded reformers might stress retooling social security or cleaning up our law-suit riddled judicial system. But the two wings of the GOP and the conservative movement nonetheless pursue goals that are not only complementary, but utterly dependent on one another.

The economic conservatives want to shrink government and encourage personal responsibility. Religious right wingers seek to strengthen the family, and to affirm its independence. These two aims naturally, inevitably, go together.

This inherent reinforcement becomes apparent when considering current controversies regarding the beginning of life and our last years of existence. Liberals increasingly favor a cradle-to-grave governmental role, hoping that tax money will fund day care, school breakfasts, medical care, psychological counseling and more. Economic conservatives oppose such programs as wasteful and intrusive, while religious conservatives hate them because they undermine the role of the family. If Washington D.C. provides a toddler’s breakfast at government funded nursery school in Seattle, as well as the food stamps that finance other meals, then what’s left of a classical parenting role? By the same token, if grown children bear no responsibility for their aged parents, and depend entirely on the feds to feed and care for mom and pop in their senior years, then it involves not only a grotesque expansion of government but a tragic diminution of the role of family. Setting up voluntary personal retirement accounts within Social Security not only provides the greater independence that economic conservatives crave, but also reinforces the family values boosted by religious believers --- since such accounts (financed by your own payroll deductions) would be transferable to your heirs, rather than simply reverting to the strangers in the government.

In other words, the alignment of religious and economic conservatives isn’t an accident or an opportunistic strategy: it’s the logical result of identical desires. Both sides want to see the family strengthened and the government’s power reduced – two goals which can’t be separated. Bigger government means weaker families, while stronger families mean less justification for big government.

This common vision among conservatives of all stripes doesn’t mean that Republicans agree on all issues. The immigration debate, for instance, saw spirited arguments among various factions within the party. But that question —easily the most divisive current agenda sitem for Republicans – hardly splits conservatives along simplistic religious/economic lines. Most (but by no means all) economic conservatives (representing the interests of businesses, big and small) backed the comprehensive immigration reform advocated by President Bush, and many religious conservatives (including leaders of most of the major Evangelical denominations) also backed a path to earned legalization as an expression of “compassionate conservativism.” While nearly all Republicans back the idea of constructing a fence and strengthening security at the border, the complicated, multi-faceted disputes over what to do with the illegals already here defied simplistic attempts to characterize the GOP as clearly split between businessmen and Bible-thumpers. On this and many other issues, some of the commercial leaders could cite chapters and verses of their Bibles, and some of the religious believers achieved great financial success with profound respect for business values.

Regardless of differences in nuance and rhetoric, the dollar and devotional wings of the Republican Party will continue to enjoy a natural, logical, obvious congruence in political philosophy as well as practical approaches. Above all, the increasingly stridency and uncompromising militancy of the American Left helps push non-liberals of every stripe toward common ground – as does the obvious contempt with which leftist commentators like Krugman view all branches of conservative thought. Family values conservatives include tens of millions of Catholics, Mormons, Jews, and even the religiously unaffiliated, and can’t be rightly classified as “preachers.” Nor do libertarian-minded main street strivers, the independent small business people and entrepreneurs (who now far outnumber the members of organized labor in this country), deserve classification as “plutocrats.”

In this difficult electoral environment, with the mainstream media shamelessly exploiting the shameful behavior of Mark Foley, it’s of course possible (but by no means certain) that the Republicans will lose one or both houses of Congress in November. But the conservative coalition that has achieved such spectacular success in the past will manage to hold together for the long term, based on shared strong family/small government values, and no doubt will enjoy fresh victories in the future.

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Michael Medved's daily syndicated radio talk show reaches one of the largest national audiences every weekday between 3 and 6 PM, Eastern Time. Michael Medved is the author of eleven books, including the bestsellers What Really Happened to the Class of '65?, Hollywood vs. America, Right Turns and, most recently, The Ten Big Lies About America.
 
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Great analysis!
It seems to me that Mr. Krugman, in his desire to show a rift in the GOP has more accurately described the modern Democrat party. They are the party made up of disparate interest groups that in many cases share no common ideology.

Whatever the debates that take place within the GOP, we all know that we (in theory) share the same group of core political beliefs. That is what binds us together and it is what has allowed us to gain, and maintain, a majority status in the Congress.

Krugman accuses conservatives of ...
... the very thing that marks the extreme left - HATE. Hate Bush, hate the war, hate tax cuts, hate capitalism, hate the distinction between good and evil, hate, hate, hate.

Medved correctly points our that the libertarian - religious coalition that elected the Republicans acted out of self interest, not hate. That may be hard for Krugman to understand, looking at the world through hate colored glasses, but the results of this election may give him pause.

I predict that the libertarian - religious coalition will not stay home and will not cross over to a political party that has nothing to offer them. I predict that the coalition will reelect Republicans and proceed to clean house before the important 2008 elections because they act on principle, not emotion.

That may be hard for a hater like Krugman to understand, but a loss in 2006 when the cards are seemingly stacked in the Democrats favor should deliver the message loud and clear.


The real problem with the right
Actually, I agree with Krugman that there is a split in the Conservative movement. I think the economicly minded elites on the right tend to look down their noses at the social conservatives, but they're happy to have the preachers out there pushing their flocks toward the GOP come election time.

But the real problem Republicans face is not ideology. It's corruption and cronyism. The Republicans have the White House, the Senate and the House. They should be able to push through any agenda they want to. But the office holders are more interested in the business of using government contracts and political appointments to ensure a steady stream of campaign contributions then they are in the core Conservative ideology.

And the reason it's going on is because the economic elites are the ones running the show. If the people running the show really lived by conservative religious values corruption wouldn't be a problem.

The Republican led government is out of control and the only thing that can slow them down is a Democratic House or Senate with supeana power. If the Republicans maintain all three bodies the members will take it as a sign that the American people don't care about corruption and they'll take it to an even higher level.

Phylo out.


Phylo: Right and wrong
Phylo, you have some interesting insights, but your analysis is completely screwed up.

Example: "I think the [sic] economicly minded elites on the right tend to look down their noses at the social conservatives, but they're happy to have the preachers out there pushing their flocks toward the GOP come election time."

Here's a difference between conservatives and liberals. We on the right look at the left and don't even PRETEND to understand what's going through y'all's weird little brains. We don't get it. We just know that what you leftists SAY and DO is bad, bad, bad for the country. But so many of you on the left not only disagree with us on what ought to be done, but presume to say they know WHY we are wrong, and offer "cogent analyses" such as Phylo's here.

The core problem, of course, is that leftists seem to (I am only explaining what is externally apparent, not claiming the same powers of telepathy that the Left so often pretends to) need to cast their opponents as the black hats in a cowboy drama: the eternal bad guys, forever seeking after corrupt and evil ends in corrupt and evil ways. While some on the right are guilty of this same thing, for the most part we don't presume to claim anything about our opponents' ideals, much less any lack thereof; we merely look at what y'all do and say, and what the results are.

As for corruption in the government: I think, Phylo, that you are absolutely right that corruption in government, especially the legislature, is EXACTLY the problem Republicans are facing right now. You hit that nail dead on the head.

However, your assertion that it is uniquely a right-wing problem is laughable on its face: witness Rep. William Jefferson and his cold cash, for example.

The larger issue is that power, especially government power, corrupts, as Lord Acton so famously formulated. Conservatives recognize this; this is why conservative thinking seeks to limit governmental power - in theory, at least, no matter how much elected "conservatives" may or may not live up to those ideals. That is still the core of the ideology. For the left, however, power is a tool to be used wisely, not one to be avoided as much as possible. Leftist ideology for the most part fails to recognize the inherent danger in the tool; they merely claim that "We can use the tool MUCH better than our opponents!" But history does not bear out this claim, and every instance of Democrats in power has brought just as much corruption and cronyism as we see now in the current administration. To claim otherwise is simply absurd - though I have no doubt that Phylo and his fellow leftists here on TH will try, regardless.

No, while "corruption and cronyism" has ever been the rallying cry behind "throw the bums out!" and such, the truth is that a change in guard will bring no lasting change on that front. All it will do is bring in the other party, to do what they will do. And we KNOW what they will do, courtesy of Pelosi, Dean, Murtha, et al: damage our security, cut and run, raise our taxes, seek to impeach Bush, and most of all obstruct obstruct obstruct until the day that a Democrat sits in the White House.

And if that day ever comes... then the REAL fun begins.

Amazing!
Phylo writes: "If the people running the show really lived by conservative religious values corruption wouldn't be a problem."

I agree. However, Republicans (of whatever stripe) hold no monopoly on "corruption and cronyism". No one debased the presidency in our lifetimes more than a Democrat from Arkansas. Nor are Republicans immune to the pitfalls of great power. It's just obvious that the Dems have no plan, no agenda, except hatred and pitting one group against another. And they are supreme at creating problems where none exist in order to further the growth of Big Government (and hence their own power). Let the Democrats spell out sensable solutions to real problems, and I am all ears.

Medved's article articulates well the reasons for the bonds between conservative groups, and explains why, no matter the outcome in November, this bond will remain intact and viable.

Classic Projection
Krugman's description of conservatives is a classic example of projection and an accurate description of the Democrat party today: a temporary coalition of disparate groups with mutually exclusive goals. It is amazing to me how Democrats can continue to convince gay groups, arbortion-on-demand supporters, limousine liberals, and poor, church-going blacks that the Democrats are in their corner.

They are all loosers
There is not a leader in the bunch. If Reps win then we have a do nothing incompetent government and if the Dems win we have the same. Different rants on both sides but no one who can get anything done. Bad bad bad for the country.

I do not see that the religious right has any power in government. Bush tosses them a speech once in a awhile but it is obvious he does not care. Its all about the economy. If there was any dealing in souls during the Bush years, it is with the Chinese.

Michael:

Well done! The Left can try to spin this all they want. We know who we are and what we stand for. You've done an excellent job in framing our positions, our strengths and our commonality.

Conservative schism
The reasoning seems to hinge on the idea that upper-crust Ivy League types are not religious or have moral concerns. That seems a difficult proposition.

I myself am a Baptist, with middlish kind of income and intellect, educated at a second rate state university, so my failings are easily explained. But the Ivy League conservative movement seems to have its roots solidly in the conservative, moral and religious world of Catholicm, as evidenced by Buckley and others. His brand of Catholism matches the current position of the Vatican, rather than the liberal, guilt-ridden, liberation theology, pro-liberal positions seem in the West, which had its roots in Vatican II (I think. If I'm wrong on the particular council that liberalized Catholicism, apologies to Catholic readers. It's the result of being a Southern Baptist). The tradition now appears to be flourishing with people like John Roberts, Sam Alito, and Anthony Scalia. Someone in the American Catholic tradition appears to have kept the moral flame alive in the American upper crust.

Not-so-rich citizens such as myself are still concerned about taxes. It's not a religious thing, since being a Christian doesn't mean you have to be pro-tax and anti-rich. Or that we aren't concerned about government intrusion. But as an American, I know that I have the (very small) potential to be rich, if I start the right business or write a book, or any other endeavor that might work. But even if my chances are diminishing daily, my children have the chance to experience the American dream. I want them to have the chance. It's not a religious dogma, it's just part of being an American. My goal for my children also includes their commitment to faith and morality.

I doubt that the conservative think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation could be considered evangelical hillbilly institutions. Both their intellectual and moral positions seems solid enough.

The point is not that the rich have learned how to manipulate poor religious nutjobs such as me, but that a commitment to faith, morality and sane government crosses all social boundaries.

nice spin but way off base
Medved is doing his best to unite the two Republican factions for the upcoming election, but the reality is that the social and economic sides of conservative philosophy are constantly at odds with each other.

Example #1: Social conservatives preach about excessive materialism and how one's family should live modestly. However, following this approach cuts down the amount of consumer spending, weakening the economy and economic conservatives' stock portfolios.

Example #2: Embryonic stem-cell research. BIG clash here. There are billions of $$ to be made from the gene therapy techniques that will be developed as a result of stem-cell research. This is why some Republican legislators are changing their minds and deciding that embryonic stem-cell research isn't such a moral atrocity after all. In a capitalistic country, big business will ultimately win all battles with "values".

Conservative government-religion partnerships have followed the same theme since the beginning of civilization. A conservative government wants to maximize the wealth of and centralize it to the ultra-rich. Unfortunately, the ultra-rich make up a small percentage of the population. Religion is used to gather a following of the less economically-fortunate. These individuals are told that while they aren't the best off now, if they follow the conservative "rules", they will have wealth beyond their wildest dreams in the afterlife. If successful, the kickback to religious organizations is that they get to drive social policy and become eligible for federal service grants.

Excellent article BUT...
...you say that both camps that make up the vast majority of the "conservatives" want to reduce the size and influence of Government...

...yet that is exactly what the Republican-led House, Senate, and Presidency *HAS NOT DONE*!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How much clearer can the facts be before the vast majority that elected this bunch of traitors sees that rewarding them for their traitorous behavior to our common cause will vastly reduce our influence?

Now is the perfect time to send a message to the Republican Party that we will not be ignored and that they can't just take us for granted while they expand government spending far more than the Democrats *EVER DID*.

I am a lifelong Republican who has voted Republican in every election since 1976, but after 14 years of House and Senate control and six years of the Presidency too, these free-spending traitors have betrayed all small-government types.

I am voting Libertarian Party in this election cycle to show my disapproval and attempt to force the Republican party to realize that they can't betray us and then take our vote for granted.

If this means the "dangerous" Democrats take over, then President Bush has the power to check their abuses with his underused veto pen for the next two years -- as I wrote, NOW is the perfect time to prove that all small government types will NOT be taken for granted.

Another Conservative Bond
Medved (and Krugman) missed another factor holding conservatives together. That bond is an unabashed love of the United States and a sincere concern for the future of the country - far above any concern for the future of the Republican party and usually above concerns for the individual's future. You won't find any conservatives in the "blame America first" crowd and few liberals in our ALL VOLUNTEER military services.

I am still calling
on moderate Republicans and libertarian leaning Republicans to make a statement this election cycle and vote for a third party. I saw some comments yesterday that advocated making the GOP into a true religion based party. I hope that was just hyperbole from some over-excited people, yet I feel like my vote is being taken for granted by some (yes I mean some, Flagwaver. Certainly not all) Evangelical Repubs who can paint MY community with a broad brush and call us all kinds of vile epithets, then stick out a hand for contributions. Either this is a big tent party...or it isn't!

Phylo: Right and wrong
Phylo writes: "But the real problem Republicans face is not ideology. It's corruption and cronyism."

FergusMacLennan writes: "... power, especially government power, corrupts ... Conservatives recognize this; this is why conservative thinking seeks to limit governmental power."

In addition to the corruption problem, Republicans have a problem making a case that they still have any connection to that core American value of limited government. I am dumbfounded by the extent to which they have sold out that value in favor of safety/security. They have now legalized "military disappearances" of the sort one associates with dictatorships; indefinite secret detentions with no legal recourse.

You don't have to be a full-fledged libertarian, just someone who wants a _little_ restraint on government, to be appalled by the direction Republicans have gone since taking power.

Michael Medved Sez
that Evangelical Christians are not trying to ban GLBT relationships. I am sure he is right in many cases. He still may want to talk to Cal Thomas, who argued in support of the Texas law banning "gay sex" that was overturned by the SCOTUS. Also, he may want to check out the position of the Traditional Values Coalition, which has advocated the prosecution and imprisonment of ALL GLBT people in the United States in accordance with Biblical principles. The TVC is now listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a result.

I recently read...
The only thing the left is intolerant of is intolerance...or anything that represents what they see as intolerance. (they can't even get the word 'evil' out of their mouths to define ANYthing!)

It's really a form of facisism....the awful attack-blogs, the horrific behavior toward conservative ideas at colleges, is ok in their book...because geez...they're only defending openess and tolerance, and the end justifies the means. It's nuts, isn't it?

What is good for Dems is bad for US
Repealing the tax cuts will cripple the economy of this country -- bad for the USA -- and the downturn in the economy will give the Democrats another reason to...BLAME BUSH.

These Democrat/Socialists will, as they have promised, tax the rich -- business owners -- people that CREATE THE JOBS. Therefore, the rich will stop creating jobs and unemployment will rise. Proof? Just look at the double-digit unemployment and double-digit inflation of the Jimmah Cattah years.

They look at the loss in Vietnam and the exposure of the Watergate scandal as their accomplishments!! See? Most Americans see those days as bad for our country! The leftists see those times as their victories. Proof? Pinch Sulzberger's (NYTimes editor)speech recently, when he sighted those 2 instances as "wonderful accomplishments", looking back on them wistfully.

These socialists don't deserve to replace Republicans now, or ever. They don't have the USA's best interest in mind...only their own best interests.

We conservatives are disappointed in the Republicans -- especially on immigration. But to turn the House and Senate over to Democrat/Socialists will hurt our country. We don't hate them -- we just worry about the socialist/redistribution of wealth/tax the rich and give to the poor mentality that they profess to believe. They are dangerously misguided and wrong.

Good On Paper
you wrote: "the reality is that the social and economic sides of conservative philosophy are constantly at odds with each other."

Perhaps, perhaps not; that is the very core of the debate at hand. However, I don't think that the examples you gave do a good job of supporting your thesis.

"Example #1: Social conservatives preach about excessive materialism and how one's family should live modestly. However, following this approach cuts down the amount of consumer spending, weakening the economy and economic conservatives' stock portfolios."

There are two parts to this example. Your assertion about what social conservatives preach about is one, your assertion about the impact of the first is the second. Neither one is persuasive. Yes, I have heard some "social conservatives" preach about what you say; however, that is scarcely a core value of social conservatism. It might be more accurate to say that social conservatism preaches the value of saving vs. consuming.

Let's assume that that is what you meant. On to assertion B, that this runs directly counter to fiscal conservatives. This is incorrect on its face - fiscal conservatives believe *whole heartedly* in the value of saving, and even moreso in INVESTMENT of savings. What fiscal conservatives are most concerned about is that individuals retain their own money, to do with as they will, rather than surrender it to the government to spend for them.

BUT, even if it is correct that fiscal conservatives are disinclined toward saving, preferring the consumerism that will (ostensibly) fatten their portfolios, the fact is that America would have a LONG, loooooooooong way to go before the social conservatives would ever be successful enough in their efforts as to reduce consumer spending by any significant measure.

Conlusion: wrong assertion, followed by another wrong assertion, finished by an utterly unrealistic conclusion.

"Example #2: Embryonic stem-cell research. BIG clash here. There are billions of $$ to be made from the gene therapy techniques that will be developed as a result of stem-cell research."

Reality check: thus far, the only $$ to be made is in adult stem cells, which is why that is the only place that private money is being invested. Embryonic stem cell research has borne no practical fruits as yet, therefore private investment doesn't really want to touch it.

Hence the perceived need for government subsidy of said research. Which was Medved's entire point: what conservatives - social OR fiscal - oppose most strongly is not the very existence of the research itself, but federal subsidy of same.

Do try and pay attention.

"Conservative government-religion partnerships have followed the same theme since the beginning of civilization. A conservative government wants to maximize the wealth of and centralize it to the ultra-rich."

The fact that you resort back to the old "ultra-rich" canard betrays your bias, and exposes the silly underpinnings of your arguments. No wonder they were so easy to deflate.

Contrary to popular (leftist) wisdom, it is the Democrats, and not thr Republicans, who are the party of the absurdly ultra-rich. The average individual donation to the Republican party is FAR more modest than the average individual donation to the Democrats. And the reason is very simple: it is only the ultra-rich, who rely not on making money but on keeping what they have, who can really afford to subsidize the ridiculous leftist economic theories that the left espouses.

Stephen Dow
I would agree with you entirely. I am absolutely appalled by the direction the Republicans have gone in the last few years. Once again, power corrupts, Lord Acton had it right on the money. Moreover, they have proved utterly useless on the immigration issue; I still wait in vain for Bush to sign the legislation for the Fence. I fear a pocket veto has already happened.

However, to allow the Dems to take control of the legislature this November, or any portion thereof, would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. What they would do would be far, far worse. True, the fact that Bush would still be in office would be an effective check on anything they might try to do - ASSUMING Bush were to decide to exercise the veto. He hasn't done that yet, and he has demonstrated an admirable, but misguided, reluctance to cast his political opponents as enemies. This does not hearten me much.

Even allowing for that though, the Dems can do enough if they come to power. They can continue to kill renewal of the tax cuts Bush and the GOP have enacted, bring us back to punitive estate taxes, capital gains taxes, and upper-margin income taxes. Worse, they can utterly hobble Bush in the VERY IMPORTANT war against the Jihadists, both by cutting off funds for the war in Iraq, and by hounding Bush with ludicrous impeachment proceedings.

In short, while I would LOVE to send Congressional Republicans a message, this is simply not the time. There are bigger fish to fry.

Well said!
Kudos to Mr. Medved for a 5-check column this week forcefully laying out ignored truths about Republican views.

Ditto to FergusMacLennan for top-quality responses to some neo-Marxists. Btw neo-Ms, business do *not* really pay taxes. Think about it: where do they get their profits? Yep, from their customers, aka the "little guy". A business tax *is* a de facto tax on the "little guy".

Even a (sur)tax on just, say, yachts. Remember when the Dems pushed thru a (big) yacht surtax to "make the rich pay". Fewer yachts were bought (a suprise to Dems, who can't seem to grasp the idea of a substitute good).

And the people most hurt? Yacht *workers*, who were *not* rich. The surtax was repealed, although Dems obviously still didn't learn anything from that experience.

You're funny Medved

Whoever told you economic Republicans want less government intervention? LOL. The established economic elite LOVE government intervention as long as it favors them, ever heard of protectionism and pork? The same for religious conservatives, they have no problem with government intervention, they have no problem with the welfare state, as long as it favors them, ever heard of faith based initiative?

As long as the Bible thumping rubes are left alone to be slaves to God, their perfectly happy to be slaves to a conservative mercantilist welfare state, throw them a bone of course, give them some faith based initiative welfare programs where they can promote religious values and they'll be pacified into accepting the conservative welfare state.

There is an organic unity to the religious Republicans and the economic Republicans, but don't confuse it with economic liberty, Capitalism, Ayn Rand, Ludwig von Mises, Hayek, Hazlitt, or any kind of Libertarian thought.

always question
faith-based intiatives compared to welfare? welfare is money for doing no work. those faith-based institutions like homeless men, and battered women shelters are doing God's, as well as the public's, work to help those with real needs. They are WORKING and get tax breaks for doing so. How can you compare the two? Welfare is the biggest drain on our society and been an enabler for many to leech off a system that was meant to help those in great need (which, incidently, are the people those faith-based groups are helping). You are way off on that point and should lay off the sauce so early in the day.

Temporary excess
I was talking with an Ivy-league educated, conservative (Libertarian), Christian friend of mine last night and Jon, who holds a degree in Economics and is a businessman, had an intersting take on the current Republican leadership in Congress. He noted that anytime there is a shift in power from one extreme toward the other, the new leadership doles out goodies to their causes. Since we live in Alaska, he used Sen. Stevens for instance.

For decades Alaska has been the United States subartic banana republic. The Lower 48 raped our resources, paid us very low prices, wouldn't hire Alaskans to work an environment we actually understand, and gladly took our taxes without providing us similar services as the rest of the nation. For example, we drove major roads of gravel until the start of construction of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline while the federal government built multi-laned superhighways across the Lower 48 because Congress decided Alaska wasn't really part of the US for the purposes of receiving Interstate Highway Funds, noting that we weren't contiguous to the rest of the states. That our taxes went to Interstate Fund apparently escaped the feds' notice. We were given a take-it-or-leave-it statehood compact that means Alaskans (unlike all other states) can never own their subsurface mineral rights, meaning if I find oil on my property, it belongs to the the federal government, not me. That's just a couple of the examples Jon and I named last night. Alaska was helpless to fight this second-class citizenship because we have only one representative in Congress and the usual two senators

Ted Stevens had been reelected a few times when somebody noted that if we kept him and the rest of the delegation in office long enough, seniority would provide us with the equal representation we have been denied. Ted responded by giving us pork, which have mostly been needed public works projects that Virginia and California (for example) would have gotten without a squeak from anyone. We all know that Ted's not going to live forever and it will take 20 years to get Lisa Murkowski, whom very few of us even like, into that sort of seniority position, but we're plenty happy to be treated equally with the other states for the short time that it lasts. By then, we hope our highways will be paved.

Anyway, Jon pointed out that this is going on in conservative circles everywhere in the nation. The senators and congressmen who have been elected and have a majority in Congress right now have been using this opportunity to reward a previously disinfranchised conservative base. Jon noted that this happened in history MANY times. He also noted that most conservative parties that come into power after a long period of disinfranchisement are very generous early on in an effort to play catch-up for their causes and constituencies, but that conservative parties usually calm down after a bit and return to their core values of small-government, lower taxes and reduced expenditures.

Recognize that the Democrats with their liberal agenda funded welfare and an incredible number of other such nanny programs for a long time while conservatives seethed at their taxes going to such programs while conservative causes and constituents were told "so sorry, the pie just isn't big enough and we're in control of the pie." Now that the pie is in new hands, those on control are doling it out.

No, I don't like it either, but Jon has a point that this is a historically well-known phenomena. We can influence incumbants by actually taking the time to contact them and saying, I want the waste stopped. Of course, you'll have to accept that the recipients of the pork are not objecting and their purrs of contentment may be much louder than your complaints. That's the problem with democracy in a technologically-advanced age -- people have access to their elected representatives and who gets heard depends on who makes the most noise.

Incumbants and Third Parties
I would also point out that voting for a third-party in a general election will likely be counterproductive. I used to vote third-party a lot when I was younger and I would still consider it within my own state, but only because the small population allows a third-party candidate to win. In larger states, you are only enabling the Democrats to win. I think history has shown us that they are incapable of fiscal conservativism. Republicans are much more likely to listen to reason in that area.

Mr. Ecko

You have a superficial, and ultimately futile(in terms of stopping the growth of statism and the welfare state) definition of welfare.

Aurora Watcher you will not be able to stop the pork or waste here's why:

"So long as a concept such as "the public interest" (or the "social" or "national" or "international" interest) is regarded as a valid priniciple to guide legislation - lobbies and pressure groups [and pork and the conservative/liberal welfare state] will neccesarily continue to exist. Since there is no such entity as the "the public", since the public is merely a number of indiviuals, the idea that "the public interest" supersedes private interests and rights, can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some indiviuals take precedence over the interests and rights of others.

If so, then all men and all private groups have to fight to the death for the priveledge of being regarded as "the public". The government's policy has to swing like an erratic pendulum from goup to group, hitting some and favoring others, at the whim of any given moment - and so grotesque a profession as lobbying ("selling influence") becomes a full time job. If parasitism, favoritism, corruption, and greed for the unearned did not exist, a mixed economy would bring them into existence.

Since there is no rational justification for the sacrifice of some men to others, there is no objective criterion by which such a sacrifice can be guided in practice. All "public interest legislation" (and any distribution of money taken by force from some men for the unearned benefit of others) comes down ultimately to the grant of an undefined, undefinable, non-objective, arbitrary power of some government official.

The worst aspect of it is not that such a power can be used dishonestly, BUT THAT IT CANNOT BE USED HONESTLY. The wisest man in the world, with the purest integrity, cannot find a criterion for the just, equitable, rational application of an unjust, inequitable, irrational principle. The best an honest official can do is to accept no material bribe for his arbitrary decision; but this does not make his decision and it's consequences more just or less calamitous." -

Ayn Rand from her essay "The Pull Peddlers"


Does anyone here see a connection to Kelo vs New London Conn. ? As long as the "public good" , is accepted as a valid justification for the violation of indiviual rights and private property rights, you will have pressure group warfare, one group of indiviuals fighting to the death against another group of indiviuals. Fighting for the unearned and confiscated property and money of others.


Ah Phylo
That ever so brave chap who posts buffoonish gibberish and then runs away to avoid seing his poorly written, poorly reasoned, mindless drivel torn apart. "Phylo out" might be the greatest defense mechanism on the internet.

Ok, I'll adress one paragraph that has not yet been debunked by my fellow posters:

"The Republicans have the White House, the Senate and the House. They should be able to push through any agenda they want to. But the office holders are more interested in the business of using government contracts and political appointments to ensure a steady stream of campaign contributions then they are in the core Conservative ideology."

So if the Republicans are not intersted in ideology, why do they want to "ensure a steady stream of campaign contributions" To remain in power? But why? What good is power without real results? I thought Republicans were a bunch of Christian fundamentalist and/or fascist oppressors who want to establish a theocracy? You mean to tell me they're not interested in these things at all? Haha. That's the dyslexic far left for you. Bush is a bumbling idiot but also an evil genius. The war in Iraq is for oil but also for Isral. Republicans are political opportunists who don't care about ideology but they're also fascists who want to transform the country.

The intellectual dishonesty is stunning.

Medved's article is brilliant and completely destroys Krugman's fallacious (and childish) thesis.

A schism (sp?) is far more likely within the Democratic Party for many reasons, some of which were discussed on this thread...As I see it, the most important reason is that the Democratic Party consists of powerful factions that are diametrically opposed with respect to the most central issues. The Michael Moore/Moveon.org camp (which garners almost no popular support among Americans) is virilenttly anti-capitalist, anti-corporation, and anti-military. Their socialist utopia and anti-American posture will NEVER be embraced by prominent and moderate Democrats, including those we love to hate, e.g. Hillary Clinton. It is feesible that the Moore camp will eventually break away from the Democratic Party because its radical aspirations will never be realized by the relatively moderate (I use the word moderate quite loosely here) Democratic Party.

Federal oil
aurorawatcher writes: if I find oil on my property, it belongs to the the federal government, not me.
I was shocked when I read this sentence. That is an appalling abuse of property rights, worse even than property taxes and zoning laws. I feel like I've been living with my head in the sand, because I was unaware of this. I can't find the words to express my outrage!

False Dichotomies
What a bunch of malarky. Can I use that word? I guess I'll find out when I hit the submit button.

wooo hooo!

" Liberals increasingly favor a cradle-to-grave governmental role, hoping that tax money will fund day care, school breakfasts, medical care, psychological counseling and more. Economic conservatives oppose such programs as wasteful and intrusive, while religious conservatives hate them because they undermine the role of the family. "

So, if this were the case then Bush's Social Security reform would've been a slam dunk. Oops. I love it when you point out to ideologues like Medved that there's nobody behind him as he is supposedly leading some kind of Conservative parade. Isn't it interesting that Medved hedged on school *lunches* but called out school breakfasts. That's because Title 9 is hugely popular among Democrats and Republicans alike. So let's see school lunches and social security. Then of course there is Medicare Perscription plan which helped the seniors. Then of course there is public education funded by the states. College loans for students.

Yup, pretty much seems all Americans want some level of cradle-to-grave government involvement and it doesn't matter the political party. The you have the FDC regulating food and drug quality. As if some *family* is undermined by that or has any resources to do so. The list goes on. All that's really being debated is policy: what's the best way to do it.

Show me any poll or social study that shows serving school breakfasts will undermine the roll of the family.

What meal change did undermine the roll of the family was a result of the Reagan Administrations answer to recession. Put women to work. The largest demographic shift in history with women going to work to add that second income happened during Republican administrations in the 1980s. Socialogists have shown that this resulted in a dramatic increase in the fewer family dinners, which did undermine the family.

But Medved offers no such evidence with his claims. Just malarky hyperbole.

Krugman reveals how liberals think…

Change the word conservative to liberal and Krugman makes sense. He is describing liberalism.

Krugman insists that the movement will inevitably self destruct because its members don’t share a philosophy or even common aims. “The coalition, however, has always been more vulnerable than it seemed because it was an alliance based not on shared goals, but on each group’s belief that it could use the other to get what it wants,” he writes. In other words, he suggests cooperation within the [conservative] movement has always been self-serving, hypocritical, contradictory and cynical.



Celtic
That's because you're not a republican or a conservative - you're a libertarian. Of COURSE you want your fellow libertarians to vote libertarian.

Celtic
The Bible didn't call for homosexuals to be imprisoned, so how could doing so be in accord with the Bible?

Cal wasn't the only one to support that law - it was by the legislature of the republic. It was thrown out by an oligarchy.

Jerubaal
I have been a registered Republican since 1985.

response to alwaysquestion
It astonishes me how many people buy into Ayn Rand's BS philosophy. She sounds like the angriest, meanest, stupidest women who ever walked the earth.

She believes that everyone should act out of their own self interest and not have a thought for the public good.

The result of such a philosophy would be that this world would ultimately be run by one company that would own everything and they would turn everyone else into slaves for the benifit of a couple of families.

Another result is that no one would ever join the military.

Her philosophy is nothing but a sophisticated attempt to justify selfishness. It's disgusting and sub-mental.

I think you need to do some more questioning there alwaysquestion.

Phylo out.

BUSH IN THE GARDEN OF GOOD AND EVIL…
George Bush is the first American President expressing Christian certitude. God even speaks to George, and as he relates God told him to go to war with Iraq. If true, presumably God would have also told him how to win the war without all the mistakes, suffering and death.

The world has seen Christian certitude before and it’s not a pretty picture: papal infallibility when the Pope had armies, the Inquisition (intolerance at home) and the Crusades (intolerance abroad). When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099, they slaughtered all its inhabitants. When the Arab leader Saladin recaptured the city, he spared all the Christian inhabitants. So the Middle East is already primed for another war with Christian invaders; and accordingly and as the latest NIE confirms, the war in Iraq has increased the number of jihadists and terrorists worldwide and made America less safe.

Our brave, innocent young men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighting for a better world, but a leader ignorant of history and cultures can easily cause the opposite. The stupidity of World War I and of Wilson, Lloyd George and Clemenceau caused terrible consequences for another 70 years after the end of that war. Afghanistan is the right war, certainly a just war and the whole world agreed and was on our side, and if we would have concentrated our efforts there we probably would have wiped out Bin Laden and those responsible for 9-11 by now. Iraq is the wrong war even if hopefully we win it, and Iran will be another, but larger wrong war.

The leader of Iran comes off as a whacko, however, the Iranians and the rest of the world view George Bush in the same way, so there is a common starting point. Real diplomacy involves talking with your adversary one-on-one without preconditions, and Russia and China have forced Bush to make a positive step in that direction. And there’s a lot to discuss with Iran: the CIA in the 1950s, the Shah, the 1979 hostage crisis, sponsorship of terror, Israel and justice in the Middle East. But if past is prelude, then Bush’s diplomacy with Iran will be perfunctory and manipulated (as it was with Iraq), and probably God has already spoken to our President and told him to go to war after the November 2006 elections (as he did with Iraq in 2002-2003). When Bush finally increases the level of hatred against the United States to where it engulfs Pakistan, then we face nuclear terror, and Biblical Armageddon becomes real, a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Back at home, Christian certitude is present in Bush’s politics of division and hate. Nonbelievers of Bush’s Christian values and policies are viewed with contempt, instead of as fellow citizens in a pluralistic democracy. Civility has gone out of our civilization, and this type of Christian Right hate is now completely out of the closet with Ann Coulter’s latest book, which has been repudiated by few if any on the right who claim to practice the Christian message of love. The Foley-Hastert scandal further shows the actual evil of their "perfect" practice of Christian good or core values.

“Good and evil” is a concept common in religion, morality and ethics. Obviously the whole world needs more good and less evil. But is there a practical definition that everyone can agree on and that lends itself to objective measurement. How about: GOOD is something that makes the many human lives better and no or few lives worse, while EVIL is something that makes many lives worse, and no or few lives better. Some obvious good in this world: Habitat for Humanity, St Jude’s Children Hospital, etc. Evil under this definition would include a considerable number of Hollywood movies, a lot of poison on TV and violent video games.

Measuring George Bush’s actions by this definition with objective facts, our good Christian President does mostly evil: from Iraq to Katrina mismanagement and incompetence to “no child left behind” (children in extreme poverty up 20% since Bush took office) to the $3 trillion dollar tax giveaway to the rich. Particulars on the last item: supply-side (trickle-down) economics is a bogus theory promoted by those who benefit from it. In a mature capitalist system, supply side never rules, it’s always the demand side of the equation that governs growth and well-being. Think about the 1930s Depression, General Motors had plenty of supply, but demand evaporated.

Previous U.S. recessions have been cured with only $200 billion in tax cuts targeted to the middle class, because the consumer (the great middle class) spends that tax cut and primes the economic pump. But George Bush has raised the debt that your children and grandchildren will have to pay from almost $6 trillion to almost $9 trillion for this current recovery, which is uniquely without wage gains, and which has shrunk the middle class that makes America strong and great. Corporations (the supply side) are now loaded with cash, but there’s no place to spend it because they don’t see any demand. So many corporations are using that cash to buy back their stock -- WOW, isn’t supply side wonderful in how it fulfills America’s needs? As the rich-poor divide increases, we’re headed toward previous shining examples of trickle-down economics: South America of the recent past and feudalism in the Middle Ages (South America and feudalism also had no wage gains). This is such good evil by our Christian President and his myriad of engorged friends.

I see a dark future for the country we all love. Even our Constitution is at risk when a President says he speaks directly to God (witness how God/Allah influences and corrupts Islamic attempts at democracy). The Constitution guarantees freedom to all, and freedom for all from tyranny. Our precious Constitution binds us together as a nation, and allegiance to it is the definition of patriotism.


Core Values United?
The core value for the liberals is lust. The core value for the economic conservatives and libertarians is avarice. Both of these core values are on the list of the 7 Deadly Sins. The core value of the religious conservatives is to live a life in accordance with God's requirements as revealed in scriptures and church tradition. I would submit that any alliance between economic conservatives and religious conservatives is on extremely shaky ground. Thrying to mix vice and virtue inevitably winds up tarnishing the latter. In the Republican Party's Big Tent, the greedy, and the lechers (moderate Republicans) require the votes, money, and organizational skills of the religious conservatives, and occasionally toss them a bone now and then. But they will not sacrifice their core values in the process. I certainly hope that the religious conservatives come to their senses, and escape from the clutches of those who worship mammon and Aphrodite. Medved is trying hard to cement this unnatural mixture but I think his efforts are ultimately doomed.

Phylo - Public Good

I commend you for your desire to do 'Public Good'. My problem is what is good for the public? And whe gets to decide it? Sorry, I know - You do, right?

I think it is good for the people of the public to work for what they earn. I think it is good for the people to take responsibility for their own actions. But that would be counter to your idea and so you want to be in charge. You want to be the great philantropist that hands out everyone else's money as YOU see fit.

I would never have joined the Army to fight for your brand of government. I do not believe any of the American Revolutionists would have fought for it either. It exactly what they fought against. Today's Federal Government is opposite to Republic they founded. They established State sovereignty with rights over the central geovernment.

For the record, who is more the slave, the Chinese citizen or the American citizen? Which government opresses its people more? Which government nationalizes business companies? Your ideological form of governement is the problem. You want bigger government. You just can't sell it here.

You want spend someone's money - use your own money. Talk to Ted Kennedy about using his money. Take it from John Kerry and wife Theresa. As if--

If you really want to do some good, join a church and work in their soup kitchen. If you really want to do good go buy a bushelbasket of groceries and deliver them anonymously to some needy family. You don't need government to do your good deeds just heart. But then you may find God... Oops.

reply to RiverKing

RiverKing, you wrote something really funny:

"You won't find any conservatives in the "blame America first" crowd"

Who is it who calls the Republican Party the "War Party?" John Kerry? Donald Trump? No, try PAT BUCHANAN.

I've asked you folks in various other posts from time to time: why is it that you give Pat a free pass? He and his fellow paleos write stuff that makes American Prospect read like Human Events! But he continues to be respected on the Right. Why? Why? Why? I guess because he fired the first shot in the culture wars back in 92....?

Celtic
Your self-labeling has nothing to do with the truth again. In this case, you're a social liberal and fiscal conservative, which makes you a libertarian. And now you're gonna vote libertarian?

What a Shocker.

Listen up BountyHunter

I'm a Libertarian, my core values are these, to peacefully co-exist with my fellow humans through reason and persuasion, the rejection of the INITIATION of force in all social relations(but do not confuse the initiation of force with retaliatory force), sovereign indiviual rights and sacrosanct private property rights. If some troglodyte, parasite, corporate welfare state businessman went to your local politicians to bribe them to confiscate your house in order for him to build a mall, I would defend your rights to the death and not the thieving businessman, just because it's business does not make it Capitalism or moral, there are "businessmen" who have no respect for indiviual rights or private property rights, they LOVE the conservative welfare state, where the "public good" allows them to confiscate your property.

I personally am not sure of the existence of God, but I will defend your right to your religion to the death, you are sovereign and your indiviual conscience is sovereign, but so is mine, I will not allow you to impose your religion on me or anyone else, if God exists he gave me free will and a reasoning mind, and I'm sure he has a sense of humour and common sense and would prefer that I reach him with my free will and reasoning mind than to be a blind slave to any religion. And if I meet him in the afterlife I would hope his compassion is large enough to understand a questioning mind which he created in his image.

PHYLO THE FIZZLE

Ayn Rand believed in the sovereignty of the indiviual, she believed that in order for men to peacefully co-exist they must live by reason and persuasion, she was vehemently anti-statist, she believed that the INITIATION of force by the state or by any indiviual was a profound evil. She did not advocate blind, hedonistic, selfishness, irregardless of consequences. Quite the contrary, she was an advocate of rational self-interest, that which was truly selfish had to be coherent and non-contradictory, that which was in the rational self-interest of an indiviual had to be defined through the use of reason, just because you want to get into a car and drive after you've had a six pack does not make it beneficial to your self, does it? Just because you want another man's property does not make it beneficial to you to run to the government and ask for property rights to be violated, when your very freedom and sovereignty and life depend on those rights being recognized and defended by that very government.


And yes, Ayn Rand firmly believed that military conscription was an egregious violation of indiviual rights, of the sovereignty of the indiviual, and the right of self-ownership. Ask yourself this, if a fetus has a right to his life, what makes you think that when that fetus turns 18 he no longer has the right to his life, that at 18 he should become the property of the state? That you Philo the Fizzle and the rest of society have the right to dispense of his life in a war you may judge to be just but he does not? That fetus, when he turns 18 has as much right to his life and self-ownership as do you Philo.

Lib Dialog--is that a cinnamon "ROLL"?
In your post of Oct. 11 4:34 pm, I guess you were so focused on breakfast that you forgot that "the roll of the family" is spelled "role."

Here's another example of your typos, poor spelling, grammar, sentence structure---

"Socialogists have shown that this resulted in a dramatic increase in the fewer family dinners, which did undermine the family."

Whatever the reasons for your writing mistakes, and the fallacies in your arguments, perhaps you would sound at least a LITTLE bit more intelligent if you would proofread before you "hit the submit button."

Hypocrisy of Medved "Conservatives"
While Mr. Medved prattles on about Christian values of self reliance and smaller government, national debt.

09/28/2001---$5,807,463,412,200.06
10/11/2006---$8,544,968,376,000.88

Think the Bible is a terrible place to look for economic and labor policy but we can say without contradiction that the Reagan/Bush "conservatives" are raving hypocrites there, too.

Have no idea what Jesus would think but "thou shall not steal" pretty much covers the gross immorality of deliberately and needlessly stealing trillions of dollars from your kids and grandkids.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

"Thou shall not bear false witness" also applies to the Bush fiscal and budget policy. One of the reason real conservatives, unlike Medved apologists, will withhold their support from this group of anti-Christian and anti-conservative Republicans.



Great Song
Reading through these comments, I am reminded of the great Bob Dylan song: "Only a Pawn in Their Game". Somewhat different subject, but broadly applicable to those who still think that the national Republican party is fiscally conservative or that it actually, truly believes in the social values it pushes.

Big Business gets all
Big business funds the Republican Party and largely gets everything it wants from the GOP- free trade, tax cuts skewed to them, federal pork (ie. the overbuilt Interstate Highway system is a subsidy for the highway contractors, Walmart and many other chain stores and restaurants), illegal immigration to afford Big Business cheap, compliant labor, and many other nuggets.

Economic conservatives of a purist bent, because they largely agree with Big Business on taxation and free trade, get some of what they want. Yet they are in despair over the free wheeling, big spending ways of the Republican Party of George W. Bush.

Social conservatives receive symbolic bones from the Republican Party, little else. The nation remains a moral sewer in so many ways yet the Republican Party chooses not to engage in a culture war. In fact, as we have just learned, the staffs of many Republican politicans are overgrown with homosexuals and fornicators. The institutional Republican Party is a vital part of the moral sewer.

More importantly, the contempt that Beltway conservatives have for social conservatives is very real. For instance, on illegal immigration, Beltway conservatives revile social conservatives for being up in arms over the issue. Bill Kristol labeled these heartland conservatives "yahoos", David Brooks doubts the sanity of red state conservatives, and the term "nativist" flows off the tongues of Beltway conservatives, notably Steve Moore of the Wall Street Journal.

It is about time that social conservatives realize that Big Business, the Republican Party and Beltway conservatives are taking them for a ride. Not only are social conservatives being taken for granted (NOTE: the institutional Republican Party doesn't want abortion ended), many of the goals of Big Business and the Republican Party are at odds with what social conservatives should want.

Derek
So ok, lots of us agree. What can i do to fix this situation. How can i/we advance the conservative base agenda?

celtic-drag wrote:
"The TVC is now listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a result."

Another example of liberals and homosexual activists trying to demonize Christians.

Derek
First of all let me say I do NOT approve of using government to get an advantage for yourself in business-in fact its the ONLY legal means to disrupt the free market.

You speak of big business as if there is a man named 'Walmart' walking around doing these things. Walmart is an organization like many others which provides jobs, investing/retirement income, healthcare(not just employees now) and of course low-cost goods. Of course they shouldn't use illegal labor but they are still consumer driven.

When a Walmart comes to town everyone scoffs that their prices will hurt the local shops, but if the consumer pays less isn't that like raising the minimum wage? Prices down or wages up - the result is the same.

Interstate & Walmart
The interstate highway system acts as an unintentional subsidy for Walmart by allowing Walmart to move their products cheaply and quickly. I admire Sam Walton's genius of using the interstate highway system and the computer in creating a business of such dominating force yet, without the interstate system, I wonder how big Walmart would have grown.

I am a conservative of the Russell Kirk/Hilaire Belloc school. I believe in rural and small town life, localism, parochialism, independent small businessmen, stay-at-home mothers, the town square and the like. The interstate highway system has been destructive of what I believe and I condemn it. The interstate highway system is one of the greatest mistakes in American history and more proof that Dwight Eisenhower was a lousy president. You add up all of Ike's faults- Justices Warren and Brennan, military intervention in Little Rock, Arkansas, balanced budgets instead of tax cuts, the interstate highway system, woodenmindedness in allowing the deterioration of the Republican party- and you have a disaster as president but that is a topic for another thread.

Foley
Such a buzz over inappropriate e-mail to a page. Liberal memories are as short as their last opinion polls. What about oral sex in the Oral Office?


The father of the Conservative Movement
Barry Goldwater was the American politician most often credited for sparking the resurgence of the American conservative political movement

He was criticized in 1964 as a radical reactionary, yet he energized a conservative grass roots movement which, sixteen years later, helped to nominate and elect Ronald Reagan. However, after 1981, the influence of the Christian Right on the Republican Party so conflicted with Goldwater’s libertarian views, that he openly voiced his opposition.

In a 1994 interview with the Washington Post the retired Senator said, “When you say ‘radical right’ today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.” He said about Jerry Falwell, founder of the Moral Majority, “I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the xxx,” in response to Falwell’s opposition to the nomination of Sandra Day O’Connor to the Supreme Court where Falwell said, “Every good Christian should be concerned.”

Do you think Goldwater would be welcomed in the GOP today?
http://www.controlcongress.com

Amen!!
Goldwater of 1964 would be fine. His long residence back east made his brain mushy in his older years.

The only real choice is to vote Republican because democrats are the enemy!!!

Walmart has gone gay
Why has walmart gone gay? They have joined in with the Chamber of Commerce, for the GLBT. This is a sign of the times??? Big Bussiness. Has Walmart abandoned the natural family???? Why would they contribute their power to such an fruitless effort??? Big Money??? Big Bussiness??? I get it????
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