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Friday, June 05, 2009
Michael Gerson :: Townhall.com Columnist
Getting to the Main Health Care Course
by Michael Gerson
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WASHINGTON -- It is a political fact that all the divisive debates and massive expenditures of the early days of the Obama presidency -- from stimulus spending to bank bailouts to the nationalization of auto companies -- have been distractions from an aside within a sideshow. After hundreds of billions in new spending, Barack Obama hasn't yet gotten around to his top legislative priority: health care reform.

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An economic emergency makes this understandable; it also makes health reform more difficult. With an appetizer this expensive, what will the main course cost?

Given Washington's imbalance of political power, Obamacare -- requiring employers to provide insurance or pay a fine, creating a government-operated insurance option and subsidizing the purchase of insurance for the poor -- is widely thought to be inevitable. Actually, it faces accumulating obstacles. The absence of Tom Daschle and the illness of Ted Kennedy have left a void of compelling leadership on the issue. Concerns are growing about the new public insurance option, which could undercut and crowd out private plans, gradually creating a universal Medicare. And the administration has yet to detail a realistic way to fund additional health entitlements that will cost about $150 billion a year. Obamacare should only be regarded as inevitable when someone, anyone, knows how it will be paid for.

Republicans in Congress, however, also face an intrusive, potentially humiliating health care test. Whatever their success in challenging or blocking the Obama plan, being the "party of no" on this issue would communicate indifference to public concerns and intellectual bankruptcy.

Fortunately for Republicans, health care is an issue where conservative policy wonks have been creatively at work for a decade. Most Republican reforms involve shifting away from employer-based health insurance coverage -- replacing the massive tax breaks for companies with subsidies to individuals and families to purchase coverage on their own. Employer-based coverage, in this view, has eaten up salary increases, hidden the rising costs of health care and made workers afraid to change jobs in an economy where flexibility is essential.

Unfortunately for Republicans, their reforms are easy to caricature as radical and risky -- just as the Obama campaign did against John McCain in the 2008 election. Joe Biden pounded the taxation of employer-based health benefits as "the largest increase on middle-class taxpayers in American history" -- ignoring that the money would be returned to taxpayers in the form of individual subsidies to buy insurance. The attack was dishonest -- and effective.

But Republicans suddenly have an advantage in this argument. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus -- a supporter of partially funding health reform by limiting the tax breaks for employer-based coverage -- raised the issue with Obama this week at the White House. After the meeting, Baucus reported that Obama is open: "It's on the table. It's an option." This would be a large and cynical about-face by Obama. It would also bolster a key element of the Republican health reform agenda.

The other large issue in health reform is controlling costs. On this issue, Republicans also have a tough political sell. They generally try to cut costs by encouraging "competition" -- which really means that medical consumers should bear more of their own health expenses, creating an incentive to look around for better prices. It is hardly a snappy campaign slogan: "Pay more out of pocket and shop around for medical bargains."

But here again the Obama administration has made the Republican task easier. Obama's grand cost control announcement -- joined by health industry leaders -- of a 1.5 percentage point reduction in health inflation each year was a shoddy, half-baked, deceptive mess. The (unsubstantiated) saving was really 1.5 percent after 10 years, leaving administration officials to backpedal and supposed allies to fume.

The administration, it turns out, has no serious plan to control health costs. Government health programs of the type Obama seeks to create are not good at cost control (as Medicare has proved) -- unless they aggressively ration expensive care to the seriously ill and elderly (as more muscular European models have done). In the choice between competition and rationing, the Republican argument for competition looks less hopeless.

The political fight on health care remains lopsided in Obama's favor, but the policy argument is growing more balanced. On the Republican side, Americans will see scary changes and more individual costs; on the Democratic side, government control and possible rationing, at a price we can't afford. As the debate becomes more complex, the outcome becomes less certain.

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A couple of points
#1 "Concerns are growing about the new public insurance option, which could undercut and crowd out private plans, gradually creating a universal Medicare."

Yes, that's exactly the idea. The private industry should not be propped up; every good Republican needs to understand that this would be the inhibition of their cherished free enterprise. The private health plans have not served the people; they have only served themselves. Time for them to go. THAT would be true free enterprise at work.

#2 "Competition" really means that medical consumers should bear more of their own health expenses, creating an incentive to look around for better prices."

Try finding prices. Have you ever seen a price list on a doctor's office wall? I think not. Try being brought into a hospital ER on an emergency and try to ask for prices and haggle for which doctor is going to treat you. Have you ever found information comparing outcomes among doctors or hospitals? Then how can you possibly be an informed consumer?

Competition
Maybe competition is not necessarily what is needed as much as awareness of and sharing of the cost. When it doesn't appear to cost you anything people take advantage of the free goods. Need to stop people from running to the emergency room (or even doctors office) everytime they get a case of the sniffles. At the same time you can not make it so costly that you disincentives routine and preventative care. Perhaps a model similar to dental plans, where you have 2 visits per year.

I think that any true cost savings will have to come about by eliminating unnecessary procedures. This includes both CYA testing for malpractice and needless prolonging of life treatments. The hip replacement for Obama's aunt or whoever it was is a prime example.

Brownout
"In the choice between competition and rationing, the Republican argument for competition looks less hopeless." Uhh, In the choice between late term abortion and partial birth abortion, late term abortion looks less hopeless. We are operating at half power, in the near dark, and we give a sigh of relief over the smallest surge of light! If this is the enduring rationale of todays Americans, it's no wonder this country is coming apart at the seams. We reached the end of compromise some time ago, unfortunately it was missed by most conservatives. The left loves to describe conservatives as radical. What a pathetic joke. We could be radical if only we had a backbone like out founding fathers. WHERE WILL YOU GO ONCE THE LEFT HAS TAKEN OVER ENTIRELY?! How will you get there? Will you be allowed to leave? The handwriting is on the wall; most of you don't have a clue what that means and it will be your downfall. I know what we need to do -- let's discuss it some more. If we stood up to fight today there would be fewer with us than were with Gideon. It is not a good thing to be without the Living God in the land of the Godless.

Gov't programs that work
Joel,
Here are two for starters:
Social Security
Medicare

Re: Gov't programs that work
Foxylady,
For whom do Social Security and Medicare work? They aren't going to work for your children or grandchildren, and unless you retire within the next ten years they aren't going to work too well for you either. Even today my mother can't live off of what small income social security provides. Before my father died the combined social security payments were barely enough to keep them living in their modest paid for home.

Propped up insurance?
Foxylady, Aside from AIG how is private insurance being propped up? Medicaid and medicare are propped up by the tax payer.

The problem with medical expenses today is that free market principles have been largely abandoned already. Government and employer provided insurance plans create a dis-incentive for wise choices with regards to health care expenditures.

Not all doctors accept medicaid for example because it doesn't pay enough to meet expenses, and you have to wait months to get paid. Many times this forces the indigent to go to the emergency room to get routine medical care, that costs many times more what it would cost at a doctor's office.
A solution to this problem would be a health savings account (HSA) in conjunction with a high deductible catestrophic health care insurance policy. Even if the government placed a large portion of the annual deductable in a HSA and paid the insurance premium for each individual on medicaid, and completely got rid of the government program, it would spend less money on health care then it does now. People would get better health care as they developed a relationship with a primary care provider who would be able to better monitor any health trends. The prices would drop as administrative and billing expenses would decrease. Insurance and healthcare expenses would also decrease since fewer people would need to be hired by both the insurance companies and healthcare providers to haggle over payment rates and contract pricing.

Facts are tricky things...
Social Security and Medicare are programs that are not economically viable over the long-term without increasing taxes or reducing benefits. The costs imposed by government bureaucracy and regulation go a long way towards complicating the matter, but they are indistinguishable from Ponzi schemes. Killing off private insurance, as the government is interested in doing, doesn't change these facts.

However, the basic concept of pooling risk over a larger group is important in creating an insurance program where all share the risk. The problem of people not being able to get coverage due to private insurers excluding people who are likely to incur large costs is heart-breaking. Equally painful is insurers grouping classes of customers into different risk pools and charging different rates. What is needed is a basic, catastrophic coverage risk pool that is shared across companies and is a component of all plans. People could then pay for additional things out of their own pocket or through private supplemental policies. The problem would be to keep government from mandating all sorts of optional services to be included in this core coverage, which would be unlikely, as that's the sort of "mission-creep" that got social security, medicare and medicaid into the current problem.


Hello-we can't afford anything right now
The entire discussion about government healthcare SHOULD be a moot issue. We cannot afford it right now--period. Trying to implement any program in these pathetic economic times equates to an unemployed man, who can't pay his current bills, going out and borrowing money to buy a new Gulfstream--and he doesn't even know how to fly. Obama himself when asked when we were going to run out of money said "we're already out of money." Yet he wants to add over $600 billion to his budget to get the ball rolling on healthcare? This man, and we may as well include both houses of Congress, have absolutely no concept of money. They now look at hundreds of billions of dollars as pocket change. They need to focus their time on job creation. Without jobs, people can't pay taxes. Without taxes, the morons in Washington can't spend--oh wait, stupid me, they'll spend anyway. They'll just crank up the printing presses. We are screwed.

there are solutions to our health care
systems problems that do not involve government administering any programs.

why involve government in administering health care?

Five little changes will do more than all the government dollars in the world toward reducing health care costs and making health care more available to all.

First, pass a law that health insurers must charge the same premiums for the same benefits.

Second, pass a law that all health insurance policies may only cover individuals, couples and families. No group plans allowed.

Third, pass a law that allows for a tax credit for health insurance premiums. Ideally this tax credit gradually transforms into a tax deduction as adjusted gross income increases until it is a 100% credit for adjusted gross incomes that exceed the national median income.

Fourth, pass a law that requires all health insurers to accept all applicants for insurance. A pre-existing condition clause should be allowed to be applied to applicants who have not had health insurance in 18 of the past 24 months.

Finally, eliminate medicare and medicaid.

These five steps will increase competition and encourage participation without burdening the taxpayers, without growing government and without giving government control over personal health decisions.

If anyone can come up with a plan that better supports increasing competition (a cost control factor) and encouraging participation (eliminating millions of uninsured) without increasing government involvement, I would be more than willing to read about it.

I suggest we deluge our elected representatives with the above five changes.

A Real Solution
No one, not the republicans, and certainly not the democrats are really serious about solving the health care problem. You cannot solve the problem if you do not return the rationing decision back to the person using the service....period.... The problem in the nusthell is medical inflation and that cannot be solved if you continue down the path where the user of the service is not the one who is paying directly for the service. The reason is simple to understand. If you or I are not the one paying for the service, we don't really care how much that service cost, and we WILL use that service, regardless of how much it cost. And as a result, PRICES will rise. And when pirces rise, which means that even such ideas as health insurance will cost more and more each passing year, because the cost of health care will rise. All you need to do to know that is to know what has happened to ALL health insurance plans...they continue to cost more. So, you are not "saving" any money at all in the long run. On the other hand, if we paid for what we wanted, then WE are the ones who will make the rationing decision, and that is the only way that prices are controlled effectively. Evernyone who took a course in economics should know that.

Acute Care vs. Functional Care
Part of the problem with medical care is that it is currently using the Acute Care model for lifestyle diseases that should be treated using the functional care model.

In fact, most lifestyle diseases appear to be caused by poor nutrition and can often be dealt with by personal research into what underlies a given syndrome. In many cases, it comes down to "you are what you eat." Too many of us eat too much sugar, high-glycemic starches (potatoes, bread, etc.), excito-toxins (msg, hydrolized proteins, etc.), and drink too much high-fructose corn syrup. A lot of us are lactose and/or gluten intolerant, as well as having other food allergies, without realizing it. Not only that, but many of us are deficient in a lot of vitamins and minerals (Vitamin D and Magnesium to name just two).

I'm not a doctor practicing functional medicine, but there is an association of doctors who do. I suggest Googling "functional medicine" to learn more about it--and how you can change what you are by changing what you eat.

Liberal logic

It kills me that the left constantly says if teachers were paid more, the education field would attract better people and public education would improve.

But if a doctor makes a good salary, which is a large part of what attracts good people into the medical field, they throw a fit, demand socialized medicine and complain about doctor's pay.


Could someone please explain this one?



Notice how easy it is
for Gerson to ignore the constitution on this issue? He just doesn't get it. We want government out of our business and out of our PERSONAL responsibilities.

It's really simple Gerson. There are no rights that require the service of another period.

Government run healthcare....
is absurd. It will be nothing more than a massive tax that will insure that health-care and everything else will cost more. Ultimately you will have health-care rationing if the thing is done. Obama merely wants the significance of having gotten it done - to put his name on it, at our expense. We're just beginning to pay for his "stimulus", with increased inflation; wait until that health-care thing is passed.

U.S. Post Office

First let the government fix the U.S. Post Office. Then we will talk about healthcare.

What is realy absurd
A study on personal bankruptcies found...Medical problems caused 62% of all personal bankruptcies filed in the U.S. in 2007, according to a study by Harvard researchers. And in a finding that surprised even the researchers, 78% of those filers had medical insurance at the start of their illness, including 60.3% who had private coverage, not Medicare or Medicaid. Medically related bankruptcies have been rising steadily for decades. In 1981, only 8% of families filing for bankruptcy cited a serious medical problem as the reason, while a 2001 study of bankruptcies in five states by the same researchers found that illness or medical bills contributed to 50% of all filings.

So that is what you are defending, just imagine what the stats will look like in 10 years if we dont do something now. Quit towing the corporate line and stand up for your selves.

We need something other
Most of those insured are having problems. Everyone I know has had a billing dispute. Most I know cannot get a procedure done because it is either "experimental" or "non-essential".

Bankruptcies are a problem paid by all of us. Our current system is not helping at all. Whether it is single payer or requiring employers to pay -- sorry folks, but this is obvious -- we need to change the current system. It is failing.

Quoted from http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun200 9/db2009064_666715.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily

Medical problems caused 62% of all personal bankruptcies filed in the U.S. in 2007, according to a study by Harvard researchers. And in a finding that surprised even the researchers, 78% of those filers had medical insurance at the start of their illness, including 60.3% who had private coverage, not Medicare or Medicaid.

Medically related bankruptcies have been rising steadily for decades. In 1981, only 8% of families filing for bankruptcy cited a serious medical problem as the reason, while a 2001 study of bankruptcies in five states by the same researchers found that illness or medical bills contributed to 50% of all filings. This newest, nationwide study, conducted before the start of the current recession by Drs. David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler of Harvard Medical School, Elizabeth Warren of Harvard Law School, and Deborah Thorne, a sociology professor at Ohio University, found that the filers were for the most part solidly middle class before medical disaster hit. Two-thirds owned their home and three-fifths had gone to college.

I am new
can someone tell me what the republican party's point of view is about health care and insurance?

I'll try to explain, Texas
Most who become teachers do so out of love for their jobs. Doctors used to be like that. While doctors back in the day did better than most folks, they didn't live like kings. They lived in the neighborhood...all of us remember how the doctor's office was often in his basement, right? Somehow, with all the specialization, medicine became a business instead of a profession. Teaching has never become a business. My uncle was a family doctor until the mid 1980's when he retired--he always says that he could not have handled all the paperwork, etc, that insurance companies require. He also said that he would have quit if an insurance company told him not to provide a service. I know that some say that the government will do that too, but do they do that now with medicare?

If it were doctors who were getting rich now that was the problem, I'd say you have a point, Texas. But it is insurers and big companies that 'provide services' like surgery centers (private) that do. Why does it cost $25,000 to have minor outpatient surgery, where you are in the hospital maybe 5 hours? Is it because insurance companies don't pay $25,000 and the provider simply charges more to maximize its possible recovery? Or is it also that there are lots of bills that people don't pay because they go into bankruptcy?

I just want to know what the republican party suggests. Absent some alternative, why wouldn't Americans want the Dem plan, no matter what it is? It is better than personal bankruptcy.

Juliet
"can someone tell me what the republican party's point of view is about health care and insurance?"

The best I can tell is "I got mine and I haven't had a problem... yet. Anyone who has a problem -- It's you own damn fault."

Of course you also have the many prime examples where a Rep/Con gets into trouble and changes their mind. My wife's brother-in-law is a die-hard Republican who thought that his insurance was great until he found out he has a form of MS. After voting for Reagan, Bush, Bush, he voted for Obama because he lost his insurance and could not afford the premiums on a pre-existing condition.

So sure, the free market is great for a Rep/Con until the smacks them in the face. You will not hear of a Rep/Con who has been turned down for a procedure and/or lost their insurance (and possibly their homes and family) tell you that the current situation is great. They will not post here because they are busy (as another TH writer gloated) begging friends and family for money because "at least they can get the help they need if they really try."

Right.

Universal Healthcare is Inevitable
Republicans have some valid concerns about having the federal government running healthcare. The first being, the feds. are ineffective in EVERY program i.e. can't keep our nuclear site information 'secret' as it got 'mistakenly' put on the internet for all to see yet they claim they can run a good healthcare. Also, feds. have a poor track record, I mean social security and immigration are still 'in the hole' so to speak without any hope of ever being resolved without denying citizens the right to collect/bankruptcy or amnesty, respectively.

The problem is that republican solutions ALWAYS include a business solution to a medical problem. And this is the problem for them. When looking at McCain's plan, it was addressing access but not the rising cost. The rising cost is discusssed as 'cost of doing business' and this translates to 'high costs' for consumers.

In 2009, the reality of universal healthcare is more obvious than it was when Clinton failed to convince a republican congress. The economic crisis also makes it easier to argue 'americans need help from the fedral government because they are poorer now than they were in 1994' and of course - Newt is no longer speaker of the house, and Pelosi is for passing this bill very quickly.

If democrats don't pass universal healthcare now, they will lose miserably in the polls because there won't be any reason not to do so. They have the votes and they have the political/economic climate to argue - the federal govt. has a moral obligation to pay for individual care and supervise the private providers who are gauging consumers.

Federal government as provider and ampire of 'fair competition' is new and highly suspicious but IT IS WHAT IT IS.

Watch Out
For small business owners this is a disaster, for consumers this is inflation just waiting to eat you alive. Im with the GOP on this issue the entire healthcare issue should be sold on an individual basis. Why did peoples healthcare become business responsibility? Does your employer take care of your homeowners or auto policies, Then why healthcare? I sure hope there are enough people holding the net when the obama machine forces me into welfare net?

SMyles-public health is a security issue
The idea that we want government to stay out of our business and personal lives is A okay so long as the business issues and personal lifestyle issues are not impacting others who live with and work with you.

Public health is a security issue. Before vaccines were invented people understood this point better because when a neighbour got ill the kids attending that neighbour's kid's school were affected.

The issue of cost and access to healthcare had become a national security issue especially when al quaida is looking to use 'biological war fare' on our citizens. Imagine if americans got ill and could not access treatment? The government has to deal with this issue as a national security issue, to ensure that EVERY PERSON living in the USA, LEGAL or ILLEGAL can access healthcare when needed.

healthcare access is a matter of life and death, the swine flu was a good precurser to the issue of healthcare access and national security.

More Messiah Facist BS
To trust the Govt. to operate anything within budget is ridiculous. How does the Messiah propose to force people to pay? yeah right. We already have 1 out of 6 Fed dollars going out as welfare of some sort or the other already.

The Fed and States are going broke at an accelerating pace (States were libs run the show) and here we have pols pandering for votes for health care for all.

Who is going to pay for it other than the taxpayer, and they will pay twice, once in their fed/state taxes and again when joining Gov. Health care plan.

You want Health care pay for it yourself.

NO Way No How.

Eddie Too, reply#12
You seem to want to pass too many laws, if you ask me. How will regulation contribute to competition? Especially laws demanding same rates? Part of competition is offering a product at a better rate. I don't understand

Mandatory Health Care Coverage
Where in the Constitution did the people give the government the power to require health care coverage?

They can fine me, confiscate my assets or imprison me, but I will not be forced into health care coverage.

I refuse to be told by this government how to live my life or what decisions to make about my health care. I also refuse to participate in any more government programs that will bankrupt the country.

With unbelievable debt and deficits amassing at alarming rates, we are shackling future generations to a dire predicament of debt and despair. We are destroying America. It's time to stand up and take a stand.

1.9%

That is the average GDP of the EU, where they have socialized medicine.

In the UK, read the reports of the NHS or dig into your pockets for a private doctor or clinic.

In France, dig into your pockets for a private doctor or clinic.

In the Canada, go to a veterinary clinic because, if the government finds that you have gone outside of the system, you will be excluded from the UHC system.

Our GDP in a good year is $14tn. The healthcare industry counts for 16% of our GDP, with 50% of that being attributed to MediCare and MediCare (both of which will be insolvent in 2017, if not earlier).

Be prepared for bureaucrats deciding on what doctor, test, drug, surgery, etc., you will get. And, get used to delay, rationing and denial. All happens in every country where government controls healthcare.

Your healthcare brought to you by the USPS.

Medicare is a fraud
and any program that the government runs is subject to more fraud. Even Biden admitted that the stimulus bill has waste built in.

My father has a pacemaker. The doctor's office requires two telephone visits per year for syncing (whatever the heck that entails), and two personal visits to the doctor each year.

He started griping about having so many trips to the doctor, so I called the office to say he would only come by once per year, and do the telephone sync once per year.

The admin at the clinic told me not to worry about it, Medicare would pay for it. Not a word about whether 4 procedures were necessary, only that Medicare would pay for the procedures. It turns out, not necessary.

Once the government employees theft unions get a hold of the health care program, the only way they will continue to justify their jobs is shifting paperwork from one desk to another, walking around the building "looking busy," and making sure they spend their entire budget so that it can't be reduced next year because they conserved on expenses.

Top that with "fall out money" and the end of fiscal year spending spree, and you get Obama care.

If you think Obama care is concerned about your health, you are a moron.

Evolution at work
America's Capitalistic private health care system does not well or function efficienctly and is unfixable. It must be scrapped for fully Socialized Medicine which has the tools to improve cost efficiency and health outcomes.

The time for Capitalism has basicly come and gone in medicine. We have seen that the for-profit health care system treats healthcare as a privelege to be reserved for wealthy elites while others are deprived. Quality care is unaffordable to poor and middle class families which leads to higher infant mortality rates and shorter lifespans for U.S. citizens and sicker citizens than modern nations.


The U.S. once led the world as the best system for care. Now its only distinction is that it leads the world as the #1 most expensive system thanks to fraud, inefficiencies and gross overpayment of CEOs.

*U.S. now ranks as 37th best in the world measuring quality outcomes and access according to the World Health Organization
*The U.S. has a high infant mortality rate compared to modern industrial nations. The U.S. ranks as 41st best. 40 nations have lower infant mortality rates due to better care.
*The U.S. has slipped from 11th two decades ago to now place as #42 place in terms of average lifespan.
Source: http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/health2008dr.cf m?DR_ID=46838

Yet premiums continue to rise on average 8-10% or more each year even as the American healthcare system lags further and further behind the rest of the world putting America at a competitive disadvantage.

Capitalism with its naked greed and overpayment of super greedy CEOs is largely to blame. Socialized countries such as France, Sweden, and Norway achieve better results with less money.Capitalism simply cannot hold a candle to Socialism.

Health care is good
Who put the false idea in the minds of conservatives that universal health care is bad?

Tyler
Who put the false idea in your head that I am responsible for YOUR health care?

Tyler
Given that I have actually lived in the UK and in France, I have a lot more personal experience (not that I have would have been caught dead in a socialized facility, but know many people who have been victimised) in UHC than do you. People of even modest means dig into their pockets to pay for private doctors and clinics. My sister, her French husband and their children go to private clinics or come here and avoid the socialized healthcare system like the plague.

The main tenet of both versions of healthcare legislation being drafted in Washington is the institution of a fine on individuals that do not get health insurance and a penalty for employers that fail to supply health insurance to even part-time employees. Further, there will be a check box to give nationalize care to 20% of Americans.

How many small businesses do you think can afford to pay for your healthcare?

Mark my words, unemployment will increase as business terminate employees in lieu of supplying healthcare benefits AND healthcare will be rationed.

Read the reports of Britain's own NHS* and let us know if you would like to go to a British hospital or doctor. Three tidbits that you will find is #1) a British woman was forced to give birth on a hospital floor because the beds had been rationed out, #2) victims of various types of breast and stomach cancers were told that they would no longer get their medications because they were too expensive; instead, they were given "feel good until you die" drugs, and #3) specialists have opted out of the system.

Don't like the British system, then consider the Canadian system. If you need heart surgery, the waiting time can last as long as 3 years. That is only one example of why Canadians have come here for treatment.

*Two often used peoplespeak for Britain's NHS - "Free for ALL but Worthless for Many!" and "A Death A Day Because The Doctor's Away!"

What Obama Said.

Obama said our healtcare system is broken.

What he left out is that Liberals are the people who broke it.

@ Useful Idiots
"Obama said our healtcare system is broken.

What he left out is that Liberals are the people who broke it."

OK, O'Hannitybaugh. I believe you. Those darn Liberals seem to own the large mega-conglomerates that make many Billions off of people who need help the most. Those darn Liberals are the men and women in India answering your calls regarding "experimental medicine" and "nonessential" medical care that they are not going to cover. Those darn Liberals are the ones who create the insurance rule books that explain how to deny all claims several times hoping the sick will eventually give up or die.

Is your world really that black and white?

Doctors ?? What Doctors?
You will not see a doctor ! You will see a "Nurse" -Assessor..Government trained (poorly) gate keeper ..Often more interested in proceedure "matrix" than ANY aspect of "health care".

If,you have a cold you will be "happy" with your "health care".
If, you have a broken bone you could possibly wait days to have it set....You probably still will not see a doctor.

The x-ray room will look like the DMV.
If, you are over 65 you will be on the Grim Reaper's Slippery slope.

You see, "Womb to the Tomb" Government ...MEANS SHORTENING THE DISTANCE...Liberalism is always de-humanizing.

When things get too expensive
When things get too expensive, less people have them and then the cost must go up to make up the difference. Eventually you will get to critical mass and the whole thing collapses. This couldn't happen any too soon when it applies to health care. Oh wait, the government won't let the absurdly overpaid, overpopulated hospitals fail will it? So there will be no correction in the outrageous cost associated with health care. I asked the hospital how much it would cost to fix my boken arm. First they claimed "too many variables" and when pressured gave me a phony cost which was thousands and thousands of dollars too low. Funny that everybody else who performs a service is held to their good faith estiemate and cannot exceed that without express permission from the person who hired them. Add to that the rudeness, arrogance and blatant violation of every single patient rights law there is, WITHOUT FEAR OF REPRISAL, of course we have a crisis. Our fearless leaders have listened to the whines and moans of incompetant Doctors and given them a free pass with all the laws designed to trample patient rights and elevate medical people to a protected class. Ever heard how many of these people are addicted to the very drugs they push? How many of them commit suicide? We need random drug testing and mental health screening for these rogues masquerading as healers. We need protection form the predatory practices of health care providers NOT be forced to pay for the abuse for EVERYBODY!

InTheMajority
Well, yes, it is. You are not entitled to have anyone else pay for your health care. If you can afford a big-screen TV, cable, a cell phone, a computer and online subscription, beer and netflix every Friday nite, and all the myriad other things you purchase to make life more enjoyable, you can budget for your own basic care. Insurance should be a hedge against catastrophe, or major unexpected expenses like surgery; it shouldn't cover routine stuff. YOU can pay for your own checkups, and I mean dental, physical, gyn, and eye exams. You can pay for your own glasses, contacts, hearing aids, dentures and fillings. Most healthy people don't need the annual check-the whole 'wellness' thing is a ripoff, IMO. You can care for your own health by eating wisely, and walking is the best exercise there is. See where I'm going? Your car and home insurance does not cover tires and oil, or paint and leaky faucets. If you can budget for that, you can budget for your own upkeep.

There is no moral reason that any other person should foot the bill for *your* care. The moment that happens there _will_ be rationing, for it isn't possible to pay for everything for everybody-and by law you won't have the option of paying for procedures yourself that you do now, should the insurance decline.

A prediction
The one service that will never, ever be rationed is access to abortion. Obamacare will ensure you can continue to kill as many of your unborn children as you want to.

Healthcare Costs & The NICE Board
Healthcare to GDP:

In 1970, healthcare to GDP was 11%.

In 1980, healthcare to GDP was 13%.

In 2008, healthcare to GDP was 7.1%.


The comparison to Europe is silly because Americans make more per capita and get more for their services.

Additionally, all European healthcare systems have some form of rationing.

Tom Daschle might not be the Secretary of Health and Human Services, but his thesis is the framework that Congress is using to build Obamcare. He wrote in his book: "In Great Britain, NICE … uses cost-effectiveness information in deciding whether to cover a new drug or procedure. I’m not suggesting that we should adopt a hard-and-fast rule on cost-effectiveness in public policy. … The challenge … is creating an entity with the credibility and the clout to make those tough decisions."
NICE sets a threshold for cost-effectiveness that it applies uniformly: … If a treatment is found to cost more than about $30,000-$45,000 per “quality-adjusted life-year,” it is rarely covered. This approach has led to the denial of valuable care:

The NICE Board in the UK would not allow the elderly to get drugs to treat macular degeneration until they lost their vision in one eye.

NICE limited several Alzheimer’s drugs to use in patients whose disease had advanced from early to middle-stage.

NICE blocked access to Glivec, a leukemia treatment.

http://www.patientpowernow.org/2009/01/13/federal-health-bo ard-nice-rationing/


Is NICE the model for the Federal Health Board?

ObamaCare for all of us

It appears Barack Obama will 'Solve' the Economic problem in America by rationing Health Care for everyone.

If someone has an abscessed tooth - ObamaCare wants you to pull it yourself so that Obama can send funds to HAMAS and Hezbollah.

The National Health Care in the UK is 'Trying' to get the waiting period down to 15 weeks to see a Doctor for treatment, once you get sick - this will save money so Obama can give ObamaCare to those who refuse to work.

Barack Obama believes the 'Success' of his administration will be the 'Failure' of the American Health Care system.

ObamaCare and pro-longing Life

"# Life-prolonging Suten will not be offered to advanced cancer sufferers
# £2000 monthly price tag deemed too costly for NHS
# Critics say Suten is effective and should be made available

Key quote: "The NHS is saying to [patients], 'Tough luck, there's nothing we can give you'. But that is not the case. If you lived in North America you would get these drugs, but not in Scotland." - Dr Paul Nathan, consultant oncologist

Story in full

PATIENTS with advanced kidney cancer in Scotland are to be denied a drug which could prolong their lives.

The Scottish Medicines Consortium (SMC) yesterday refused to recommend Sutent for use on the NHS, meaning patients who fail on current treatment will have no other drug options.

The decision was criticised by doctors and charities, which said around 300 patients a year in Scotland would benefit from the treatment.

But others said such decisions were necessary in an NHS with limited resources.

Sutent works by stopping the signals in the body that tell cancer cells to grow and multiply. The drug also stops blood vessels growing into the tumour.

The manufacturer, Pfizer, applied for the drug to be approved for use in patients who failed to respond to interferon-alpha.

But the SMC ruled that "the economic case has not been demonstrated"."

competition is the way in health care
Great article. Take away theme -- competition is your freind!!! (and, Obama/government care means NO competition!)

ObamaCare - Goodbye 4th Amendment - I

It’s worth noting that HIPAA ensures patient privacy, which should be a really big deal if we’re letting the government run everything. Without knowing how or whether this works with HIPAA, how can Congress even consider this bill? Speaking of which, on pages 39-40, take a gander at Section 3102, Financial Integrity:
(1) IN GENERAL - A State shall keep an accurate accounting of all activities, receipts, and expenditures of any Gateway operating in such State and annually submit to the Secretary a report concerning such accountings.

(2) INVESTIGATIONS - The Secretary may investigate the affairs of a Gateway, may examine the properties and records of a Gateway, and may require periodical reports in relation to activities undertaken by a Gateway. A Gateway shall fully cooperate in any investigation conducted under this paragraph.

“Gateway” means “provider,” and this appears to do away with that pesky Fourth Amendment, which normally requires search warrants and probable cause to access the records of individuals and businesses. Not under ObamaCare! Now, everyone belongs to the government … rather than the other way around. George Orwell, call your office!


ObamaCare - Goodbye 4th Amendment - II

Democrats used to think it was a huge deal for the government to intercept electronic communications without a warrant, especially when one of the participants was a United States citizen. They also didn't much approve of granting the Feds the power to check out what individuals were browsing on the computers at the local library or even the books you checked out.

Now, it is supposedly perfectly acceptable for the Feds to review private medical records without a warrant.

Breath of fresh air
...loved the guy that broke his arm and went shopping

...bored to tears by constitutional scholars

...pay cash for my health care, receive 20% discount

...think health is bigger problem than health care

...post office??!! what's wrong with the post office? i leave a dvd in an unpadded envelope in my mailbox on monday morning and find another there by thursday...at the latest.

...did Juliet read the article?

..."health spending as a portion of gross domestic product is expected to climb from 16.6 percent in 2008 to 17.6 percent in 2009, its largest one-year jump in history" source: office of the actuary, cms.hhs.gov

...that living god guy is scary

...1992-2012 - the democratic party, with the book-end presidencies of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, try, and fail, to remake the USA into the USSA.

...time for another little chocolate donut.

...mmm
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