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Friday, March 06, 2009
Michael Gerson :: Townhall.com Columnist
Conservatism Staring Into an Abyss
by Michael Gerson
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WASHINGTON -- American conservatism -- intellectually ascendant during three decades in which relatively low taxes and a stable money supply produced the greatest accumulation of national wealth in history -- is now staring into an abyss. It has been voted to the edge of political irrelevance, assaulted by a European-style budget and overshadowed by a new president of colossal skills and unexpected ambition.

As conservatives warn of catastrophe -- well, even greater catastrophe -- as a result of Obama's new debt and taxes, they are left to contemplate three possible futures.

First, it is conceivable that conservatives are hyperventilating, as they did in 1993. President Clinton's budget, which included tax hikes, was attacked by Republicans as "grossly, totally, completely irresponsible." Conservatives warned of large job losses. But whatever Clinton's eventual problems, they were not economic. When monetary policy is responsible and federal spending restraint is credible, a continental economy can roll through many obstacles, including a moderate rise in tax rates.

"It's not smart to say this economy can't recover," says economist and author David Smick. If the pipe of credit is somehow unclogged, the Federal Reserve has provided plenty of money for a quick recovery. Americans will eventually need to buy houses or cars again.

Clearly this is what President Obama hopes and expects. It would probably solidify eight years of political dominance. But there is one problem. The markets do not appear to find his economic approach remotely credible. "What we are seeing," says Smick, "is $3 trillion in revenues for $4 trillion in spending. An honest budget? Give me a break." Even more importantly, the markets have little confidence in the administration's sketchy bank bailout plan. It has been the largest, early mistake of the Obama presidency to focus on expensive reforms of health and energy before convincing markets that the financial sector will be fixed -- the achievement on which all else depends.

The second conservative future might be vindication. Even if the banking system returns quickly to solvency, President Obama is proposing an unprecedented accumulation of debt -- just as other countries, to stimulate their economies, are doing the same. Given this glut of global debt, America will have to beg China, Japan and others to buy American bonds. There will also be a strong temptation to print money to buy the debt ourselves, leading to inflation.

Obama can, for a while, blame the financial crisis on the policies of the past. But a stagflation scenario -- combining slow growth with higher prices -- would be an achievement all his own, putting him more in the political category of Jimmy Carter than Clinton. Already the prospect of immense debt is spooking Democratic centrists. It has also begun reuniting the coalition of libertarians and social conservatives that Obama nearly sundered during the last election. As a compassionate conservative, I support focused, effective spending to help the poor at home and abroad. But as a conservative, I cannot support an explosion of debt and the reorganization of large sectors of the economy by federal planners.

There is a third possible future that conservatives do not want to consider. We could be seeing a much more fundamental ideological trauma -- something that enters the realm of psychology, not economics. Franklin Roosevelt used the shocks of the 1930s to discredit the capitalism of the 1920s -- even though the real causes for the Great Depression had more to do with tariffs, monetary policy and bank failures. Conservative economics fell into disrepute, even as many New Deal policies proved ineffective. Republican elected leaders became less-ambitious reflections of the Roosevelt consensus. Intellectual dissent was captured by extremists, from Ayn Rand to the John Birch Society. It took 40 years for the development of an intellectually serious and politically respectable conservative movement.

Are conservatives, once again, heading into the ideological wilderness? I strongly doubt it. The historical analogy to the Great Depression (so far) is strained. In that crisis, unemployment rose to 25 percent, a third of banks failed, GDP contracted by more than 30 percent and the social safety net did not exist. America is a much wealthier nation than it was in 1929, bank deposits are safe, and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, an expert on the 1930s, is expanding the money supply, not contracting it.

Obama is not likely to be a Roosevelt. But conservatives remain in a difficult position. Since they favor economic success, they must root for Obama to be a Clinton -- even as they suspect and predict he will be a Carter.

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Obama will lose
While we lament the lowering of educational standards in America,there has been an increase
in "savvy" .

The american people will get it eventually, realize that Cramer is correct, they are being fair and giving Obama a chance.

If Obama doesn't turn it around in the next 6 months, his ratings will plunge.

Pelosi, Reid etc. will keep serving up ridiculous proposals that even Obama's charm can't undo

Conservatism is a failed Philosophy
We've tried Conservatism for 40 years since Nixon and it has been a total failure economically, morally, and socially.

Conservatism has made our nation a debtor country with low academic standards, a failed economy, massive cheating of investors by Wall Street thievery, rising unemployment, outsourcing of jobs, and we are now coming into receivership to Communist China.

Rather than stay with Corporate Crony Capitalism, we need to evolve to Socialism to save the nation from total bankruptcy and corruption.

The Republican Party has fulfilled the Reagan Revolution and its Conservative policies of Deregulation, Free-Markets, tax breaks for billionaires, dicretionary wars, legalizing illegals, failing in the drug war, a policy of anti-intellectualism, bail outs for Wall Street theives (courteousy Bush/McCain)and others. We are living the fruits of those failures.

Unless we are comfortable with our nation becoming a third world country in receivorship to Communist China, with ever lowering living standards, we need to change course from the status quo.

European style Savior Socialism is the solution to the Corrupt Conservative Crony Capitalism that is now abusing our nation.

Source: http://EconomyInCrisis.org

The top 10% of the U.S.population
DOES have over 80% of its wealth. A bit lopsided distribution of the wealth if you ask me.

We've got to find a way to break up that top 10% a little - in order to fund our economic stimuluses & healthcare reforms.

first
i will try to keep this simple, so even you might have some chance to understand. conservatism has never had a chance to fail. it has never been tried. the reagan administration, which probably was closer to conservatism than any administration in the recent century, was more liberal than conservative. the great ponzi scheme continued. illegals were coddled liberal style. the rampaging democrats in congress forced the government to match every legitimate expenditure with an equal unconstitutional and very unconservative "transfer payment". the reagan administration was only conservative when compared to the putrid administrations of, well, everyone else. the bush boys were not conservatives by a country mile. they just were not as evil as the democrats that the liberals preferred. do not be announcing the failure of conservativism until it has been tried. liberalism, on the other hand has been tried over and over again. it always fails.

Consider this...(Part 1)
"They had as king over them the angel of the abyss,whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon,in Greek,Apollyon." Revelation 9:11.(Google Barack Apollo Obama.Coincidence?).."The fifth angel sounded his trumpet,and I saw a star had fallen from the sky to earth.The star was given the key to the shaft of the abyss." Rev.9:1 (Barack's apparent rise from nowhere?)..Follow me here,"This calls for wisdom.If anyone has insight,let him calculate the number of the Beast,for it is man's number.The number is 666." Rev.13:18.The Beast?..Brussels Electronic Accounting Surveillance System...(B.E.A.S.T.) Affectionately called Lilith(the mythological wife of Satan.)This is THE Super Computer,located in Brussels,Belgium.(Bar codes all start encoded with 666.)

Consider this..(Part 2)
Brussels is also the home of the European Council.Home of the World Court and the International Court of Justice.The Western European Union's Assembly Recommendation #666 gave official military power to this 10 nation alliance.....Brussels is also where the human-implant RFID chips are currently being housed.Patented under #666094 is the "Method for Embedding and Recovering Encoded Item Information in an Emulsion of Radiant Energy".

Consider this..(Part 3)
Coincidentally,the analog airwaves,cleared up by the government-mandated DTV,will be used for tracking people embedded with the RFID chips.The VEIL technology component inside the converter box that allows for 2-way transmission,is patented under the number 6661905....The Anti-Terrorism Act of 1995,which basically gives the green light to warrantless searches,gun confiscation,and allows officers to violate our 4th Ammendment is H.R.#666.

Consider this..(Part 4)
And last but not least,the Chicago winning Pick 3 lottery number,the day the votes were finalized in Barack's favor???..666!!!!...(And as for the National Health Care likely to be instituted,as "Everybody In-Nobody Out",is H.R.#676(because H.R.666 was already taken?)..With the digitalization of all our medical records already approved in the Stimulus bill,the RFID chips aren't far behind....

Consider this..(Part 5)
The Saul Alinsky,"Rules for Radicals",more infamous now that it's been publically acknowledged,has this on it's "dedication" page.."Lest we forget an over-the-shoulder acknowledgement to the very first Radical;from all our legends,mythology,and history,(and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins,or which is which),the first radical known to man,who rebelled against the establishment,and did it so effectively,that at last he won his own kingdom-LUCIFER."

Consider this..(Part 6)
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood,but against the rulers,the authorities,the powers of the dark world." Ephesians 6:12 (N.I.V.)..Th Homeland Security plan,entitled "The Endgame",which sets as it's goal the removal of all "illegal aliens" and "potential terrorists",is particularly chilling because of the Halliburton subsidaries KBR contract to build detention camps at undisclosed locations in the United States.(These locations are known somewhat,but too lengthy for me to post.)The gov't has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars,some reportedly equipped with shackles,to transport "detainees".

Consider this..(Part 7)
"Blessed is the one who reads the words of prophecy,and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it,because the end of time is near." Revelation 1:13..."For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work." Thessalonians 2:7..("With many words he warned them.'Save yourselves from this corrupt generation'". Acts 2:20).."See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophies,which depend on human traditions and the basic principles of the world rather than Christ." Colossians 2:18.

Consider this..(Part 8)
"Today,if you hear His voice,do not harden your hearts" Hebrews 3:7.."For God so loved the world,that He gave His one and only Son,that whoever believes in Him should not perish,but have everlasting life." John 3:16..."If anyone receives the mark of the Beast on his forehead or on his hand,he too will drink the wine of God's fury." Rev. 14:9....I could say more,but you get the idea.This is the most important subject I could ever comment on,and now that America is so completely turning it's back on God,there is no hope apart from knowing Jesus as your personal Savior....This is THE END!

Big "OOPS"(Correction to Part 1)!!
The B.E.A.S.T. is the Brussels Electronic Accounting Surveillance Terminal!!!!Gosh,I wrote "Accounting Surveillance System"!!!(Same meaning,but the wording is crucial!(What can I say? I'm still human! Sorry for the error!)

Edgy..


Just awesome!

Keep up the good work!


Thanks Ratsy!
For the compliment as well as the instruction about Cut and Paste! (I'm living proof thet God uses the "simple things to confound the wise"!!)

Who Is to Blame?
"Obama can, for a while, blame the financial crisis on the policies of the past."

Come on! Who is to blame? This isn't funny anymore. WE DID IT! We conservatives screwed up the whole economy. The sooner we realize it, then the sooner we can identify the true remedy. Stop blaming Obama.

A Pathetic Analysis
Conservatism ascendant for three decades? A stable monetary policy? You want a stable monetary policy think on this. A dollar at the end of the 19th century was essentially worth the same thing as a dollar at he end of the 18th century.

Since the creation of the Federal Reserve we have been the victims of a huge scam that has made the bankers rich and increased the power of the federal government. The Constutution has been shredded and the power the individual was endowed with by his creator has been usurped by a government intent on taking control of very aspect of our lives.

Conservatism staring into the abyss? The statement is laughable in that we fell into that hole over a hundred years ago. We have been blithely falling and now that we near the bottom voices are raised that there may be a problem. Good call.

Obama's Economic Tsunami
"It has been the largest, early mistake of the Obama presidency to focus on expensive reforms of health and energy before convincing markets that the financial sector will be fixed -- the achievement on which all else depends."

Thanks, Mr. Gerson, I have been hammering that point over and over again to friends and relatives. The stock market is the crux of this ongoing disaster and if that isn't fixed Obama's whole house of cards will surely crash and President Obama will replace Jimmy Carter as the most incompetent president in modern times.

The current state of our union
We republicans really don't deserve to lead. Truth be told, we need to take responsibility for the Magic Negro, and the state of our union. Why, because we spend our time dividing the party, not leading the greatest nation on Earth. The American masses don't know who we are or what we believe in, and it's all our fault.

ON the other hand, democrats are democrats and that's never going to change. BO hasn't been in office for six weeks and he's already overreached so far and so badly, liberals are going to be staring into the abyss, not republicans. Mark my words, the dye is already cast. These lemming liberals have already hung themselves. It won't be long before the back biting starts, and BO's nightmare begins. Thank God.

We repulbicans need to stop eating our own and return to Reagan's message of that Shining city on a hill, and the conservative principles that can get us there. We need to remind Americans of who and what we are ... before what makes this nation worth fighting for is lost forever.

President Ford said
"I am not a Lincoln. I am just a Ford" Obama will say "I am not a Clinton. I am just a Carter." That's if we're lucky.

Will
Why don't we expropriate the homes and 90% of the income of the nasty rich and give it to the lazy poor? that would certainly help the country, right?

Absolute Nonsense!
“American conservatism . . . has been voted to the edge of political irrelevance”

What the author should have written is the following;

“The Republican (Whig) Party . . . has been voted to the edge of political irrelevance”

Conservatism, if it is properly understood to be personified by President Reagan’s philosophy, has not “been voted to the edge of political reverence.”

Pseudo-Conservatism, which is what the current Whig party personifies, is what has “been voted to the edge of political reverence.” And the Whigs definitely deserved to lose.

Two Bush presidencies and six years of irresponsible Congressional Republican pork have so utterly confused the electorate that very few understand what true conservative principles are. The masses believe that Conservatism is synonymous with the GOP. This has not been the case for over a decade.

Because of recent suicidal Republican moves such as the McCain candidacy and the selection of the witless kneejerk liberal Michael Steele to be the head of the GOP, the future is bleak indeed for the GOP. But it is not bleak for true Conservatism.

True conservatism requires new leadership, truly steeped in base principles, that can properly enunciate the difference between Conservatism and Pseudo-Conservatism. This will of course require a herculean educational effort. But it can be done and it will win future elections.

Will these idiotic talking heads ever stop confusing Conservatism with the Whig Party and its Pseudo-Conservatism?

Trulib at 6:44
Well put. This man Gerson has no idea what true conservatism is, as evidenced by his willingness to allow continued usurpation by those in the Federal government. He either chooses to ignore the purpose of the Federal government, or lacks the historical knowledge. Neither of those possibilities recommends him as a man, and certainly not a writer in the political arena.
What is the purpose of the Federal government? Simply put it was instituted to be an agent of the states. It does this through a consolidated representation in dealing with other countries/nations, and mediation for the states in such ways as the commerce clause. It also strengthens us militarily with combined might, so that no one state is the weakest of the herd to be picked off.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


The third future is the real one
You are counting your chickens too early to say that the Depression was much worse. Remember, the recession started in 1927, the crash was in 1929, and the Dow bottom was in 1932. Unemployment maximized in 1933-1934. If anything, this collapse is faster, and we should bottom near 2011. Since the debt pile headed into this one was actually twice as large as in 1929, Great Depression II should be twice as bad as GD I.

And you can blame it on Greenspan and Bush for refusing to take the Dot Com Depression in 2001. Instead they pumped up the housing bubble to kick the can down the road. I remember when Greenspan was touting home equity loans and variable rate mortgages. Bush's men did everything possible to enable investment banks to lever up 40:1, and did absolutely nothing to crimp the worst abuses of the subprime industry. In fact they encouraged it.

Where is this all headed? When the Dow drops below 1000, Congressman Miller's (D-CA) plan wil lbe very popular. His plan, revealed before the election is to sieze ALL private retirement accounts (401K, IRA, annuities, TSP, pensions, etc..) via Eminent Domain, and to give a taxable Social Security benefit based on the August 2008 value as compensation. It will be incredibly popular as most retirees and near retirees know they will not live long enough for the stock market to come back. It will allow the Government to socialize the entire economy on the cheap, the ultimate buy low strategy. And if you are one of the unlucky ones who made prudent investments and got your retirement accounts out of the stock market - too bad for you.

"Are conservatives, once again, heading into the ideological wilderness? I strongly doubt it. The historical analogy to the Great Depression (so far) is strained. In that crisis, unemployment rose to 25 percent, a third of banks failed, GDP contracted by more than 30 percent and the social safety net did not exist..... "

OnTheEdge
Wow !

Many years ago,I remember reading about the computer system in Brussels and how it would figure in the 'End Times'. It may have been Hal Lindsey,as I have read some of his books.

I heard the threat for 2012 predicted in the Mayan Calendar. Do you have any info on that?
I have yet to look it up but intend to do so. Someone said the other day that the North and South poles could reverse. Sounds ominous.

To curmudgeon in AR
Thanks for your response.I do tend to take Conservatives at their word and consider Bush (for all his mistakes and incompetence) to be forthright in describing himself as a "Compassionate Conservative". Millions of Americans agreed.

Bush's message and philosophy found resonance with millions of other Conservatives around our nation who supported him first in 2000 and then again by a bigger margin in 2004.

To argue now that Bush is not a Conservative is to say American Conservatives can't even recognize their own kind and are easily fooled. If neither Bush I+II or Reagan were true Conservatives, then why do Conservatives nominate them and then vote them into office?

Bush was essentially faithful to the tenets of Conservatism and the fruits of this philosophy has left America in a weak and impoverished state with a failed economy.

What's needed for our nation to return to prosperity and freedom again is not a "good fight" defense of Conservatism's failed policies but a departure from an unworkable system that has proven deadly to America.

Since neither of us want America's ship to go under, we must help America survive by discarding the failed system of Conservatism and recognize that it is not a rational or viable political model for America in the 21st c.

If Conservatism had worked, we'd all be better off singing the praises of Capitalism instead of knocking at bankruptcy's door and experiencing serious moral and economic decline that is ruining our nation.


To Way Down South in HI
You said:

"....Because of recent suicidal Republican moves such as the McCain candidacy and the selection of the witless kneejerk liberal Michael Steele to be the head of the GOP, the future is bleak indeed for the GOP. But it is not bleak for true Conservatism...."

The problem is not with GOP voters. The problem is with the philosophy of Conservatism itself that has proven to be unworkable. Republicans did nothing wrong to nominate and elect Michale Steele and John McCain. They had a choice and exercised their democratic voice. Why blame them for following the time honored rules of democracy?

What's evident to me and millions of others who voted to change course for America is that Conservatism is sinking America's ship. Morally, fiscally, financially, we are in terrible shape and our credibility around the world has been badly damaged. Those who still deny this are living in a bubble that will not last.

No American wants our nation to decline into 3rd world status with declining living standards and be totally owned and manipulated by the Chinese. But embracing a failed system is national suicide.

In the late 80's there were still many Soviets leaders who clung to the "Superiority and ascendency of Communism over Capitalism' and were in denial about the state of moral and economic affairs in their own country.

Proponents of Conservatism are unwittingly doing the same thing here by protecting a failed system and ignoring the massive problems of fraud, deception and ponzi schemes it creates.

We've tried it. It doesn't work. Let's move to something that does work before America is even more ruined. Socialism has has been tried and proven successful in Europe that enjoys higher living standards. We'd be wise to give it a try.

"Real" conservatives
have to go find or create a party they can support and be loyal to.

That way they can be happy with their minority status instead of dragging the party of Republicans down there.

Republican can't win without "real" conservatives?

Ah so how did Clinton win twice?

The Abyss Republicans are staring at is all those principles "real" conservatives keep throwing in the way of political reality...you know, the principles that don't include loyalty.

Will
What you fail to understand about the top 10% is that group is not static. I am an example. When I was young I was not even in the top 50% but with hard work I steadily moved up in the ranks where now am. I certainly don't want the government to take anymore of my money to give to people whom have not worked as hard. Socialism has never worked anywhere before. You must be one of those people that think others should be responsible for your welfare.

First at 10:49
I'm not sure if your attempt is to deceive or that you really don't know how to properly employ logic. You said that you take "conservatives" at their word and then you say you believed Bush to be forthright in calling himself a "compassionate conservative(excuse me while lean over into the garbage can), yet nowhere in there was conservatism defined. How does that work logically? One says one is a "conservative", so one is, and can then be taken at one's word. Doesn't work.
By your logic, you also made the Bushes and Reagan out to be conservatives, because they received votes from those calling themselves conservatives. The one does not make the other so here either. Again one must impute conservatism to the Bushes and Reagan as the reason they were voted for as the only possibility. Here is another possibility, that the Bushes and Reagan received conservative votes because of all the options available they were the closest to the ideal.
Here is where I admit I lied, I think your attempt is actually to deceive and put down conservatism by ascribing failure to conservatism. Conservatism in the main is Constitutionalism and adherence to the foundations of this country. Bush NEVER espoused Constitutionality. This is evidenced by NCLB,his engaging the military in Iraq, his not vetoing McCain-Feingold, etc., etc.

More for First
First(ha ha pun intended) let's really try Capitalism. IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE YET. How can it be with Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the Federal Reserve, government imposed wage rates, government imposed hiring practices, government redistribution of property, governmental favoritism in industry, trust busting, government interference in health care, etc. Can we be honest here and stop saying we are actually practicing Capitalism. While were working on honesty, how about admitting that you really don't want America to succeed, otherwise you would be advocating Constitutionality yourself.

Lon
"No American wants our nation to decline into 3rd world status with declining living standards and be totally owned and manipulated by the Chinese." Obama is planning to spend trillions of dollars that do not exist in Amaerica. Where do you think he plans on getting the money? He is going to borrow it. Who saves their money? The Chinese. They have the money that Obama needs.

If they are dumb enough to trust us with their savings the plan is to put the Chinese in charge of financing America. That actually is the good news. The bad news is if they say no. Then you will see a meltdown that will make the current fiasco seem very tame indeed. This is what comes from spending money you do not have. That is the basis of socialism. You have to live off of others. What happens when the others refuse to be used?

Also your entire post concerning conservatism was baloney as you have no idea what conservatism is.

Will at 2:44
Will, like other leftist fools fail to understand that a certain percentage of people having a certain percentage of the wealth is not evidence of the distribution being "wrong". The implication here is that somehow those with more have taken more than they should, and that there is only a certain amount available, and thus others will never be able to make gains themselves, this is absurd logic. The potential for every last American to prosper is there, many just CHOOSE not to.

Why do I feel a cloud of arrogance
when ever I read one of your columns Mr. Gerson?

"As a compassionate conservative, I support focused, effective spending to help the poor at home and abroad." So your fine with government robbing individuals of their earnings to handout to whom ever they decide whether foreign or domestic. That's conservative?

"It has also begun reuniting the coalition of libertarians and social conservatives that Obama nearly sundered during the last election."
You really don't get it do you? It's mot Obama that caused small givernment libertarians such as myself to give up on the GOP. It's people like you and the other RINO's within the GOP that have caused us to give up on the GOP.

"bank deposits are safe" Not according to the chairwoman of the FDIC. "Bair Says Insurance Fund Could Be Insolvent This Year"
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid= alsJZqIFuN3k

And I believe your wrong if you think were coming back. I don't agree with your ideas and policy positions. We have very little in common. I'll work for a third party and let the GOP continue to play democrat lite.



To Lenard in MD
Thanks for your reply Lenard.

You said:

"You said that you take "conservatives" at their word and then you say you believed Bush to be forthright in calling himself a "compassionate conservative(excuse me while lean over into the garbage can), yet nowhere in there was conservatism defined. How does that work logically? One says one is a "conservative", so one is, and can then be taken at one's word. Doesn't work."


I can't look inside of people's hearts, to know all and absolute truth, but I can sense sincerity. If someone says "I am a Christian" or "I am a Conservative" or "I am a Liberal" or "I am a Taliban" they voluntarily associate themselves with a cause or a religion, I take it that they are sincere unless they are talking in a mocking tone.

I have friends who identify themselves as Conservative Evangelical Christians. I don't doubt their honesty, integrity or commitment to following Christ's model even though I don't share their same exact beliefs.

Since I am not a Conservative, and didn't create Conservatism, I must assume that those who self-identify with it are better informed. Bush defined himself as a "Compassionate Conservative" and "A Christian" and millions of Americans believed he was forthright and honest and the genuine article, and voted him as President. No one was forced to vote for Bush innour democracy.

I prefer giving people the benefit of the doubt rather than automatically assume they are lieing or being intentionally deceptive in their self description and view that as a basic principle of respect that should be afforded others in civil society.

to TruLib in VA
You said:

"...This is what comes from spending money you do not have. That is the basis of socialism. You have to live off of others. What happens when the others refuse to be used?

Also your entire post concerning conservatism was baloney as you have no idea what conservatism is."

Factually incorrect. The European socialists (in France for instance) are actually more efficient and productive then Americans. More output per manhour. Becasue they are more efficient, they receive higher wages and better benefits than Americans and don't have to mask the inefficencies of crony Capitalism with borrowing from China. Propping up an failed system with foreign borrowing does not make it stronger or more efficient.

In terms of "Conservatism" I draw my conclusions from the statement goals and policies made by the Conservatives elected to office such as Bush I+II, Reagan and even Nixon who opened up Communist China as a trading partner with the U.S.

Unless you cast out all those politicians and the Conservative voters who nominated, then elected and reelected them to office, it seems to me that your definition of "Conservatism" is essentially private and not a real world model of how Conservatives actually carry out policy in office.

First
I also wrote,

“Two Bush presidencies and six years of irresponsible Congressional Republican pork have so utterly confused the electorate that very few understand what true conservative principles are. The masses believe that Conservatism is synonymous with the GOP. This has not been the case for over a decade.”

You, First, are the perfect example of those who have absolutely no idea as to what true conservative principles are. You are the archetype of those that confuse the current pseudo-con GOP, with Reagan-Goldwater-True-Conservatism.

In reference to McCain and Steele you have asked me “Why blame them for following the time honored rules of democracy?”

I have no clue as to what made you ask such an absurd question. In no way, shape, or form do I blame Republicans “for following the time honored rules of democracy.” My point was that these choices are further proof that the GOP no longer represents conservative principles and that Republicans deserves to lose elections. I never criticized the methods they use for making their selections.

As for the ponzi schemes you claim to reject, you socialists created the greatest ponzi scheme in history. It is called social security.

So that there is no chance of you misunderstanding me, I have absolutely no intention of taking advice on Conservatism from an admitted socialist. Unlike the clueless McCain, I do not wish to reach across the aisle to one such as you.

Unlike Republican Moderates and Centrists, I have no blind spots when it comes to friend-versus-foe recognition.

Who's to blame (to Way Down South in HI)
Aloha again! Way Down South in HAwaii

You said:

"Because of recent suicidal Republican moves such as the McCain candidacy and the selection of the witless kneejerk liberal Michael Steele to be the head of the GOP, the future is bleak indeed for the GOP. But it is not bleak for true Conservatism."

It sounds to me like a lot of unfair blame and anger towards towards your fellow Conservatives in your blasting statement. Do you possess more knowledge and wisom than the entire GOP?

Members of the GOP have a right to exercise their democratic process in choosing their party leaders and nominess and representives in a time honored tradition. From what I can tell, the GOP chooses thoughtfully, carefully with deliberation and gets the best man or woman they can to represent their constituents and tackle the job at hand. What's wrong with that?

Democracy is the fairest way to do things overall and you can't please everyone 100% in an imperfect world. We just try the best we can with the cards we are dealt.

But attacking Conservatives for exercising their freedom sounds spiteful other longtime members and generally disrespectful of the democratic process itself. The GOP has carried the water for Conservatives for years and done the best it could in rough waters. Should it be knifed in the back from within because a few unhappy campers and talk show outsiders want unreachable perfection?

First
You keep saying conservatism has failed, yet you have failed to define conservatism. I, albeit briefly, have done so in an earlier post. This has not failed, it has not been practiced. I find it at least intellectually dishonest to say something has failed without defining that something and giving particulars. As you make a habit of this, I can only infer that you are here not to enlighten but to mislead.

First might understand...
... the story of the frog and the pot of boiling water. The republican party since Ike with very few exceptions is like a pot of hot water on the stove. It doesn't look as bad as the already boiling pot (democrat party for those who haven't heard the story). Conservative voters have been faced with a choice between a warm pot and a boiling pot both on a fire for a long time. Now 30 years after Reagan left office, the warm pot is actually hot and almost boiling, so true conservatives don't accept the warm pot as a viable alternative. The republican party needs to turn off the heat of modern liberalism or they offer essentially nothing different from the democrat party. Conservatives are not continuing to play the old game.

BTW, the margin of victory in the election wasn't that great. If conservatives had been willing to play and had voted in slightly higher proportion, if blacks hadn't voted at historically high levels due to their candidate being the first black to run as the candidate of a major party, or if there had been no election shenanigans a la ACORN, then the story may have ended differently. And Obama got a lot of financial help from people like Soros and a lot of free marketing and advertising from the MSM who were busy enjoying the tingling Obamisms up their legs. That is part of politics and I won't say that it was something republicans can complain about. But it could easily have made the difference in the outcome of the election. The sad fact is, as others have noted, that McCain would have been little different from Obama. So having said that, one must surmise that either Obama is nearly as conservative as McCain or McCain is nearly as liberal as Obama. That my friend is a distinction without a difference.

First
“It sounds to me like a lot of unfair blame and anger towards your fellow Conservatives in your blasting statement. Do you possess more knowledge and wisdom than the entire GOP?”

First, First, they are not my fellow Conservatives. Unfortunately, this is a fact that you are incapable of comprehending.

Second, the most important conservative principle is the following;

The federal government was created and endowed by the individual states with enumerated powers only. Those powers not specifically granted to the federal government in The United States Constitution are reserved for the states themselves. There is no more important conservative principle than this. Neither the GOP nor the Democratic parties respect this founding principle. Both seek to expand the federal government’s power without using the only legitimate constitutional process, the Amendment.

Third, when it comes to understanding and articulating what true conservative principles are, I do possess more knowledge and wisdom than the leaders of the GOP.

To Way Down South in Hawaii
You said:

"Third, when it comes to understanding and articulating what true conservative principles are, I do possess more knowledge and wisdom than the leaders of the GOP."

Your views don't represent mainstream Conservatism in the Republican Party only a vocal fringe group with no real power to change policy or win elections.The real power is with the leaders who hold office, not with armchair critics.Most people know that already.

Castigating McCain and Steele unfairly as you did in your earlier posts only beats down the GOP which is trying to recover, regroup, and modernize to be a viable party in 2010. Being a spoilsport towards other Conservatives who are more inline with American values in the 21st c. is counterproductive.

Better to be constructive and give support to Steele and McCain who are Conservatives doing their best to be faithful to the cause rather than fantasizing about what is impossible.

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION
FIRST OF ALL DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, THERE IS A WAR WITH BULLETS, AND BOMBS IN MEXICO. THE MILITARY WITHOUT A COUNTRY IS MOVING NORTH THERE SCOUTS ARE JUST ACROSS FROM EL PASO AND STRETCHING WEST. THIS WILL INVOLVE THE BORDER OF ALL THE SOUTHWESTERN STATES SOON. HOW MANY ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL PICK UP ARMS FOR MEXICO AND ATTACK AMERICAN SOLDIERS IF WAR CROSSES THE BORDER? THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ATTORNEY GENERAL COMMITTED ON THE PROBLEM BUT HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE SITUATION THAT FALLS IN THE HANDS OF MR. GATES DEFENSE SECRETARY AND PRESIDENT OBAMA.

First
You are an avowed Socialist who rejects all that Reagan stood far. As long as McCain and Steele have Leftists like you defending them and insisting that they are true Conservatives, they will no doubt remain safely ensconced in power within the GOP, with the GOP forever out of power in Washington.

Your agenda is clear.

First...
Your 4:30 comment to Way Down Yonder is analogous to the democrat party going with somebody less liberal like... say... Joe Lieberman, since they were losing with liberal nut jobs like Gore and Kerry. But instead, they ousted him. The republican party reached a zenith under Reagan. You can argue whether he was a moderate or a conservative, but he was certainly the most conservative republican leader (save W F Buckley or B Goldwater) and presidential candidate in my lifetime. As the republican party drifts leftward in party leadership, Congressional behavior, and in its presidential candidates, the party has been declining. Those of us who are more libertarian and free-market oriented may be on the fringe, but if the republican party won't embrace us, we won't embrace it anymore. That may be good for you liberals, but unless a viable 3rd party steps up or the republican party returns to free market and limited government and especially constitutionally based performance, it will be bad for the country. We are already in a deep hole and liberals and republican leaders like McCain want to keep digging!

Obama is the 2nd Coming of Carter
Obama is a clueless Marxist and the people who handed him the most important job on the planet are not competent to be allowed a vote.

B. Hussein Obama doesn't know the first thing about any of the constitutional responsibilities of his office, much less the way to run the private sector industries he is trying to nationalize.

Obama is plumbing new depths...
...of stupidity. By the time his national wrecking ball has completed its devastation, he will have enshrined himself in history as the most incompetent person to ever occupy the oval office.

Comservatives and politics
The people i know who call themselves conservatives are people with principles. They believe there is no such thing as a free lunch. They believe that which is rewarded increases and that which is taxed or punished decreases. So they believe in reward of merit and imprisonment of malefactors. They know that compound interest is a powerful force so they save and have it working for rather than against them. They believe in the market place, so they get an education which leads to a saleable skill. They do these things where ever hey are independent of country or political system. In the US of A, where voters can express political preference, conservatives attempt to place in power politicians who also hold these beliefs.
Its past time for strategy voting and trying to choole the least of 2 losers. We are in economic collapse because of 70 years of voters who have voted based on identity, pocketbook, oratory, charisma, hopeful ignorance, racism, class envy, or greed. In short, for just about any reason except trying to vote for the greatest good for the greatest number. No wonder the po;liticos in power represent just about every one of those petty foolish motives.

Well, so be it. As a patriot, asking nothing from no one, i vote for the person i think will do the best job for America. It has been a shining city on a hill, a beacon attracting investment, talent and those willing to bust their @ss for a chance at a decent job and a chance to be allowed to enjoy the fruit of their labor. If this doesn't work out, OK. I worked outside the US for 7 years, i can do it again. Not as much left of my 401k as there was once, but still enough to buy a great retirement in lots of places.

Is this post from the Onion?
This is a joke, right? As if conservatism could ever fail. Why not title your post "freedom staring into the abyss"? I reject your premise, sir, because freedom will never be destroyed, nor will freedom loving conservatism.

Can't Blame What Wasn't In Play
I find it interesting that the avowed socialists are coming out for this article.

Will recycles the same old bromides about the 'distribution' of wealth. In economics or statistics, 'distribution' means the places where they find it. For them is it is a noun, not a verb. Unfortunately people see the word "distribution" & think of a verb, i.e. some unfair cosmic 'distributor' arbitrarily giving more to some than others. That is a dead wrong impression. Wealth is created and earned. Apart from the small incidence of actual crime, the wealthy are so because they produced and earned it, or inherited it from those who did.

I find it interesting indeed that First openly advocates socialism, and yet defends the Republican Party in its continued fecklessness. Why do you care what the GOP does, if your heart & mind is more with the Democratic platform anyway? Why not just support the Dems, & let those you view as losers try to pry the GOP out of the grasp of Rockie big-gov types and careerists? Wouldn't that be better for you?

It's fascinating how all these voices urging "moderation" & rejecting "the right wing" in the GOP are mostly leftists, Democrats, established popular-media pundits, & the like. The GOP they want is a useless obstacle that, given the "2-Party system," serves only to block conservatives & conservatism from regaining any political power.

McCain personified 'moderation,' 'compromise,' and 'bipartisanship'. Been there, done that already. Tried it, it failed; in fact Mack simply imploded. Watered-down, bogus, big-gov 'conservatism' is a scam and deliberate sabotage.

Conservatism is the enemy, & they're scared of it, if it can re-emerge with actual dedicated leadership & spokespeople. Conservatives can't be blamed for this debacle because they had been marginalized a decade ago.

Aragorn2123
Conservatism is a philosophy. It can not be destroyed, only ignored.

Don't Tread On Me
You are thinking logically again. Surely you have enough evidence to realize neither thought noe logic means anything to a PC Progressive. They blame sonservatism for where we are now. Nothing could be further from the truth and that's why i did not vote for McCain. With a little luck, enough of the hopr for change independents will figure out what's going on and pin the revolving current where it belongs. Just as Bush can be blamed for NOT reversing the spending and postponement policies of Clinton, at very least Dumbo is responsible for NOT reversing the slide becoming very evident in Bush's last year. This slide started in 1933, so there are lots of people to blame, but the man at the helm gets the brunt. I'm just glad its a D.

Can He Succeed?
"Or is he in over his head"? Larry King asks this question tonight.

But he has the wrong panel. I'd like to see more of Jared Bernstein, whose answers to questions, the other day, gave me confidence in him and Obama and our country's amazing capabilities.

Has our fearless Prez gone too far? Maybe. I really do think it's too early to tell.

And I compliment Gerson for an excellent analysis.

Gerson, at it again
"When monetary policy is responsible and federal spending restraint is credible, a continental economy can roll through many obstacles, including a moderate rise in tax rates."

What an economy cannot roll through or survive is the philosophy of altruism that inexorably leads to the insurmountable buildup of said obstacles. When will you admit that you as much as anyone is responsible for this crisis, Gerson? Do you cry sometimes when you contemplate the deaths that the weak dollar policy, brought on by your cheerleading for a righteous brand of wealth redistribution, ultimately caused? Does the thought of brimstones and the agony of a total sensation of burning frighten you? I only ask because of your ominous thoughts concerning abysses and such.

By the way, it was Nietzsche who once said that those who stare into the abyss must not be surprised to find it staring back at them.

A little FYI for you, in case you were actually worried about the rest of us: The right will not enter an period of extended ideological wilderness, and not owing to any causal factors invoked in sloppy analogies.

It will not enter a period of extended ideological wildnerness because it is already beginning to grasp what your extremist, and my freedom fighter, said long ago: "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary."

Why don't you take a break from all your ponderous writing and go for some lighter reading, like say, a recent Michelle Malkin column, Gerson?

A sleeping giant is awakening
and that giant will defeat the radicalism of obama and his minions.Fear not. Relief starts in 2010.

First
You have done a lot of posting here, and I fear you might actually have an affect on others with lower iqs. You are an idiot when it comes to blaming conversatism for all the country's ills, and for believing socialism will cure all those ills. You have actually come very close to describing them by their opposites. Go to the library and read up on it. Don't remark again before doing so. People as full of shat as you are should remain shut.

This Column and
most posts here were a total waste of time and effort.

It is not the conservatives
To a person, those who are now writing with respect to the current debacle in Washington, keep saying that it is the "conservatives" who are wandering aimlessly. Conservatives know exactly where they are, between the idiotic liberal hard place of good vibes and the rock-headed naiveté of those who call themselves moderates.

It is not the conservatives who have no convictions, no solid core values and who are in search of an ideology, it is the "mushy, slimy middle." Authors, pundits, journalist’s et al, get your heads out of your posteriors and point your pens where they belong, at those who insist on letting others make up their minds for them.

Conservatives know exactly what they stand for and where they stand on the issues, we are not wandering in the wilderness in search of a coherent thought. The fact that there is no one who has yet emerged as a de facto leader is meaningless at this early stage. As for Rush Limbaugh, he brings wisdom, information and cohesion to the conservative perspective but we don’t look to him as our leader.

Petition to Force Obama ...
to produce his real birth certificate ...

If he has one ....

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550


First
your post:

"European Socialism has proven itself to be more democratically responsive to its citizens, is more efficient and productive, gives higher living standards with better wages"

{The study, "The EU vs. USA," was done by a pair of economists--Fredrik Bergstrom and Robert Gidehag--for the Swedish think tank Timbro. It found that if Europe were part of the U.S., only tiny Luxembourg could rival the richest of the 50 American states in gross domestic product per capita. Most European countries would rank below the U.S. average, as the chart below shows.}

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110 005242

Wall Street Journal is a credible source of information.

Where's your credibility?

Europe vs. America
{But a rising tide still lifts all boats, and U.S. GDP per capita was a whopping 32% higher than the EU average in 2000, and the gap hasn't closed since. It is so wide that if the U.S. economy had frozen in place at 2000 levels while Europe grew, the Continent would still require years to catch up. Ireland, which has lower tax burdens and fewer regulations than the rest of the EU, would be the first but only by 2005.

In other words poverty is relative, and in the U.S. a large 45.9% of the "poor" own their homes, 72.8% have a car and almost 77% have air conditioning, which remains a luxury in most of Western Europe. The average living space for poor American households is 1,200 square feet. In Europe, the average space for all households, not just the poor, is 1,000 square feet.

So what is Europe's problem? "The expansion of the public sector into overripe welfare states in large parts of Europe is and remains the best guess as to why our continent cannot measure up to our neighbor in the west," the authors write. In 1999, average EU tax revenues were more than 40% of GDP, and in some countries above 50%, compared with less than 30% for most of the U.S.}

A poverty of truth-telling
{Poor Hispanics account for all the recent increase in poverty rates.

The stubborn persistence of poverty, at least as measured by the government, is increasingly a problem associated with immigration. As more poor Hispanics enter the country, poverty goes up. This is not complicated; but it is widely ignored.}

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/opinion/nationalcolumn s/article_1841766.php


The admirers of Euro-Socialism...
...need to do a little research on Europe's demographic projections. Europe is a collection of "dead societies walking". Their current standard of living comes at the expense of the children they didn't have. The current set of cultures in Europe will be replaced over the course of the 21st century. Mostly, it will be immigrants from the Middle East bringing their native cultures into dominance, by the simple expedient of HAVING CHILDREN.

Regards,

IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT
the John Birch Society was extremist, though they were clearly right on some major issues, notably the United Nations. Ayn Rand was not an extremist. I can name a dozen Dem extremists off the top of my head, and if Obama is not an extremist, then neither were Hitler and Stalin.

Compassionate Conservative???
Who on earth would be so dumb as to "want" be called that.

Worst of all worlds: not conservative and not actually compassionate.

Gerson is not on the side of true conservatives.

Capitalism isn't what went wrong ..p1

Just for the record, we haven't had anything approximating actual capitalism in this country since buggy whips and spats were in style. If you read your history, the Interstate Commerce Act was made law in 1887, the first major intrusion of the Feds into private business. The Interstate Commerce Commission was formed in 1890, and things have pretty much gone downhill since.

Today, you can't do the simplest kind of business operation without tripping over a gaggle of bureaucrats and regulators. A more accurate description of what we've got in this country is big-government corporatism, where the best the businesses can hope for is to have a hand in writing the rules that will be used to regulate them. [This also explains the hostility of government toward small business - corporatism takes less effort with big enterprises.] We are a couple of steps removed from the fascism of Woodrow Wilson and Roosevelt, but the current administration seems intent on bring that back with a vengeance. Should you doubt the connection, read about Mussolini's take on fascism and corporatism -> check Jonah Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism for details.

{end part 1}

Capitalism isn't what went wrong ..p2

For you who are rightly complaining about corruption, look at the results when *anything* gets politicized. When politicians and bureaucrats are given license to grant economic indulgences or run Stalin-era show trials, corruption is inevitable. Human beings are corruptible, and activist government is a perfect petri dish to facilitate its putrid spread. The watchers, found corruptible, are set upon by another set of watchers, who in turn are given another set of watchers .. you get the idea.

The vestigial remnants of capitalism that run under the radar are largely responsible for the innovations and wealth we have today, and it will go completely underground when individual liberty falls below a minimum threshold. That minimum is probably represented by the effective tax rate on our most productive citizens. Once rates exceed 50%, the rest of us are telling the people most responsible for our wealth that we don't much like having them around.

Humanity is formed of two groups: one that thinks human beings should be controlled, and another that does not. The former group tend to be fascinated with authoritarian governments of one flavor or another, and loudly cheer experiments in forcing people to conform to their prejudices. The net result is that leadership is corrupted by too much power.

v/r,

-- Bud

Econ/Social Cons Coalition Impossible
There can be no coalition between those who want small and limited government and those who want to use the Federal goverment to impose Catholic dogma upon the rest of us.

All of us are pro-life, but many Christians are not Catholics. The Bible teaches that birth is our begining, and the US Constitution confirms that our Founding Fathers shared this faith.

Pro-lifers want to use the State to impose their religious dogma upon the rest of us.

Those who love liberty can not join with pro-lifers without setting aside our core beliefs in small government and religious freedom.

Republicans will never be a majority party as long as they demand that all elected candidates must espouse the religious heresy that the fertilized egg is a human soul.

conservatives
So dubya wasn't a conservative huh? I submit that dubya has destroyed the gop by revealing what conservatism is really all about. Crony capitalism. And that's just what that last election was all about. A referendum on crony capitalism. And it was thoroughly defeated. You get your guys into office and after they fail your excuse is he wasn't conservative enough. Well too bad. Thats not my fault. All i know is what i see. And if he calls himself a conservative, you folks vote for him because he's a conservative and then he fails well then conservatism failed. And i'm supposed to believe if he was more conservative he would have succeeded? I'm not buying it. And the results of the last few elections should tell you i'm not alone in thinking that. So now that everything the gop does has to be approved by rush, we can count on a nice long run of good old fashioned liberal populism. The gop is fractured, and a viable 3rd party is nowhere on the horizon.

The author said
"As a compassionate conservative, I support focused, effective spending to help the poor at home and abroad."

A TRUE conservative, or Whig, who believes in our government formed under the constitution WOULD NOT utter such garbage. Focused and effective spending to help the poor at home and abroad IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. When will CINOs and RINOs get this? Does the author think a special place in heaven or the reader's hearts will be her reward for calling herself "compassionate"? This tripe makes K Parker look like a piker. The author is sipping the Kool Aid folks!

Crony Capitalism or Savior Socialism?
Its abundently clear to any thinking person in our nation in the bonds of Capitalism is functionally a dead end. With the approval and votes of millions of American Conservatives, Bush has proven the futility of Capitalism to improve the lives of Americans except the top 10% of wealthy elites at the expense of the public good.

Capitalism unleashed on a nation inevitable produces:

*Massive public deception and fraud and mismanagement of the financial system
*Amnesty for billionaire thieves like Madoff
*Outsourcing of jobs and insourcing of illegals to impoverish American families, undermine unions and drive down wages and benefits
*Huge deficits to foreign predatory nations buying up industry and pieces of our nation and loss of national sovereignty.
*Fleecing of investors who played by the rules
*Tax breaks for wealthy elites
*A system of incentivizing and rewarding fraud, greed and wealth and punishing hard work and honesty.
*Special political access for wealthy elites such as Allen Stamford
*Ever increasing college and healthcare costs putting Americans in deeper debt and businesses at an economic disadvantage.
*Government Secrecy to hide spending. Bush never included the Iraq War spending ($3 trillion from taxpayers according to the Brookings Institute) in the budget to decieve the public.

Are we going in the right direction folks? We can either stand by and watch Crony Capitalism take apart and finish off America lowering living standards for our citizens and going into Chinese Communist receivership, or we can switch to Savior Socialism which has proven to be the winner in Europe and Canada. Why should Americans prop up Crony Capitalism when Savior Socialism is superior?

http://socialistparty.net/

True Patriots of our nation are welcome to join the revolution to save America from the jaws of Capitalism and support the Socialist Party.

Compassionate conservatism = liberalism
"As a compassionate conservative, I support focused, effective spending to help the poor at home and abroad."

Then please go for it. Donate half your assets, if you feel led. Charity on an individual scale is commendable. But don't force the American taxpayer to pay for it.

First


your post , Mar 6, 2009 - 11:45 AM EST
:

"European Socialism has proven itself to be more democratically responsive to its citizens, is more efficient and productive, gives higher living standards with better wages"

{The study, "The EU vs. USA," was done by a pair of economists--Fredrik Bergstrom and Robert Gidehag--for the Swedish think tank Timbro. It found that if Europe were part of the U.S., only tiny Luxembourg could rival the richest of the 50 American states in gross domestic product per capita. Most European countries would rank below the U.S. average, as the chart below shows.}

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110 %20005242

A European report disagrees with you.

Wall Street Journal is a credible source of information.

Where's your credibility?

more from the WSJ article
{But a rising tide still lifts all boats, and U.S. GDP per capita was a whopping 32% higher than the EU average in 2000, and the gap hasn't closed since. It is so wide that if the U.S. economy had frozen in place at 2000 levels while Europe grew, the Continent would still require years to catch up. Ireland, which has lower tax burdens and fewer regulations than the rest of the EU, would be the first but only by 2005. Switzerland, not a member of the EU, and Britain would get there by 2010. But Germany and Spain would need until 2015, while Italy, Sweden and Portugal would have to wait until 2022.

Higher GDP per capita allows the average American to spend about $9,700 more on consumption every year than the average European. So Yanks have by far more cars, TVs, computers and other modern goods. "Most Americans have a standard of living which the majority of Europeans will never come anywhere near," the Swedish study says.}

a warning to U.S. politicians
{So what is Europe's problem? "The expansion of the public sector into overripe welfare states in large parts of Europe is and remains the best guess as to why our continent cannot measure up to our neighbor in the west," the authors write. In 1999, average EU tax revenues were more than 40% of GDP, and in some countries above 50%, compared with less than 30% for most of the U.S.

We don't report this with any nationalist glee. The world needs a prosperous, growing Europe, and its relative economic decline is one reason for growing EU-American tension. A poorer Europe lacks the wealth to invest in defense, a fact that in turn affects the willingness of Europeans to join America in confronting global security threats. But at least all of this is a warning to U.S. politicians who want this country to go down the same welfare-state road to decline.}

First - Crony Capitalism ..
is a contradiction in terms. See my prior posts - the thing you are complaining about is called "Corporatism" - a deadly embrace between business and government where politicos get to bestow economic indulgences and beat business-folks with sticks at Stalin-style show trials before congressional committees when it suits their agenda.

If you don't like this, you'll thoroughly despise socialism, because the only way you get anything done in a socialist regime is by having the right connections, or "cronies". All the eyewash in socialist propaganda about 'democratic' decisions, is simply mob rule, with the elites of the moment fighting it out for who gets to pose as the "voice of the people".

v/r,

-- Bud

Abyss? No. Abscess.
--
As in "open up the goddam thing, drain the pus, and let the healing get started."


What has passed for "conservatism" in the hands of the pork-sucking, lobbyist-irrumating, restroom-fumbling, bribe-taking, criminally malfeasant Republican Party over the past dozen years and more has been "conservative" to precisely the same extent that our sh!twad Affirmative Action President - that Punahau School Privileged Preppie Prick, Bary Soetoro, (Class of '79, Go Buff 'n Blue!) is "authentically Black."

Like hell he is.

And like hell the Republicans have been conservative.


Particularly those, like Mr. Gerson, who whine about being "compassionater conervative," whose vision of government is some kind of goddam Santa Claus, with bagsful of goodies for pitiful little poverty-stricken boys and girls all over the globe.


The conservative vision of government has never been embraced by the Republican Party, and until someone climbs over the cooling corpses of the RNC and runs a flamethrower through the place, the Republican Party will never have a hope of becoming worth a damn.

Time to get out the knives, folks.

Gotta incise and drain that abscess the Republicans have inflicted upon the American body politic.




=====
"I have long argued that we need to reopen Alcatraz to house government criminals, and let tourists on excursion boats in San Francisco Bay pay to chum the water with meat with an expired sell-by date that would otherwise have to be discarded."

-- L. Neil Smith

politics and crime
An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought.

Simon Cameron

Obviously crime pays, or there'd be no crime.

G. Gordon Liddy

Crime does not pay ... as well as politics.

Alfred E. Newman

To sol in CA
Sol, you said:

"A European report disagrees with you.

Wall Street Journal is a credible source of information.

Where's your credibility?"

The WSJ is a credible journal.....from a Crony Capitalists point of view and are free to cherry pick studies that support their agenda. The WSJ is the official apologist for the entire Wall Street and corporate theivery sector of our economy. If the WSJ fails to keep the sales pitch up and float false hope to investors, it will no longer be a viable business venture. Propoganda is their product.

Europeans have a higher standards of living in part because they are not wasting trillions on the military inustrial complex. America squanders 54% of its revenue (more than the entire rest of the world combined) on war pork for military adventurism overseas and to update overpriced Cold War toys:

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Because American politicians do not rein in spending on war projects, only 46% of total GDP is left for education, infrastructure, transportation, and other worthy projects that actually benefit citizens. In other words you get (at best) only 46 cents back on every tax dollar you give to the American government.

Because the American government is so wasteful with taxpayer money on military spending, American citizens and programs get shortchanged. Social benefits and programs are compromised and Americans work longer hours with less benfits then our European neighbors. Bad deal for citizens.

According to the Brookings Institute, $3 Trillion will be squandered on the Iraq war when treating the injuries of war veterans is included in the budget.

Perpetual war, military adventurism and imperial conquests are necessary outgrowths of Capitalism to keep the public frightened and obediant and compliant for the war effort.

First , how ridiculous can you get?
Your reference to some radical anti-war website says nothing to support your claim.

Direct from the source:

{If the European Union were a state in the USA it would belong to the poorest group of states. France, Italy, Great Britain and Germany have lower GDP per capita than all but four of the states in the United States. In fact, GDP per capita is lower in the vast majority of the EU-countries (EU 15) than in most of the individual American states. This puts Europeans at a level of prosperity on par with states such as Arkansas, Mississippi and West Virginia. Only the miniscule country of Luxembourg has higher per capita GDP than the average state in the USA. The results of the new study represent a grave critique of European economic policy.}

http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/books.asp?isbn=9175665646

Obviously, you post such nonsense because of your desperate need for attention.
The emotionally immature person has low levels of self-esteem and self-confidence and consequently feels insecure; to counter these feelings of insecurity they will spend a large proportion of their lives creating situations in which they become the center of attention.
Go somewhere else for therapy. I won't waste my time responding to you.
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