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Friday, December 05, 2008
Michael Gerson :: Townhall.com Columnist
Preventing the Triumph of Violence
by Michael Gerson
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WASHINGTON -- The attacks have come like the steady rhythm of a clock -- 188 dead in Mumbai. Tick. Fifty-two dead in the London bombings. Tock. One-hundred-ninety-one dead in the Madrid train attacks. Tick. Two-hundred-two in Bali, and 2,973 in New York, Virginia and Pennsylvania.

Maybe this is just the risk of living in the modern world. Or maybe it is the tick of a detonator.

Days after the Mumbai attacks, the Commission on the Prevention of WMD Proliferation and Terrorism claimed that a chemical, biological or nuclear terrorist attack is likely before the end of 2013. "Our margin of safety is shrinking, not growing," it concluded.

People naturally tend to mentally bury such risk. Wrote T.S. Eliot: "It is hard for those who live near a Police Station / To believe in the triumph of violence."

Part of the appearance of security is rooted in seven years without additional terrorist attacks in America -- itself a triumph against violence. It is difficult for a leader to take credit for a negative achievement -- for the absence of failure. But here credit is due.

Most of the methods employed in this effort have been effective, congressionally approved and broadly noncontroversial -- fighting money laundering, intercepting terrorist communications, tightening up the border. These measures were muscular but hardly as muscular as other wartime precedents: Abraham Lincoln confiscating newspapers and putting editors in jail, Franklin Roosevelt interning 120,000 people of Japanese descent.

Yet some methods designed for exceptional cases, such as waterboarding, were ethically disturbing and eventually counterproductive -- causing self-inflicted ideological wounds in a largely ideological struggle. And there is little doubt that some administration claims of executive power invited a judicial backlash and undermined the power of future presidents. The Supreme Court reversed the administration three times on detainee issues because Bush officials relied exclusively on executive authority for their actions. If the administration had sought congressional backing for military commissions in 2001, and later for rules to hold combatants, the resulting legal framework would probably have been upheld by the courts -- and would likely have been closer to administration goals than the eventual result.

There is a lesson here for the Barack Obama administration: Sometimes power must be lightly held to be effectively employed.

But this lesson should not be overlearned. To assume the presidency is also to assume a responsibility for the safety of Americans that Congress and interest groups will never feel as directly.

Whatever the past debates, much of the legal framework of the war on terror has been already clarified by judicial and congressional intervention.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act has largely been fixed, and few in the incoming administration seem anxious to revisit it.

On interrogation, Obama's choice is clear. The Department of Defense has already adopted restrictive standards on the treatment of all detainees -- more restrictive than the law requires. But should the DOD rules for 1.4 million soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines be applied to the CIA treatment of a newly captured terrorist with vital information? Or should the CIA be allowed to employ still-classified, "enhanced" techniques short of torture? During his campaign, Obama promised the universal application of the DOD approach -- but this is easier for a candidate than a president to pledge.

The hardest issues concern detained terrorists. Guantanamo will and should be closed as a public diplomacy nightmare. Perhaps half of the detainees will be sent home, leaving about 100 exceptionally dangerous men. The Obama administration will need to decide on a format for trials -- much improved but politically discredited military commissions, ordinary civilian courts or some kind of national security courts created by Congress and supervised by the federal judiciary.

But the administration will not be able to try everyone. Some detainees will be too dangerous to release but too difficult to convict in a normal court setting using unclassified evidence. And any president will need the ability to hold and question newly captured terrorists outside the procedures designed for American criminals. Unless Obama returns to a simple exertion of executive authority, he will require congressional authorization to detain people. And this will expose a major tension between the new president's military responsibilities and the views of supporters who believe that detainees should only be held in preparation for trial.

By all accounts, the president-elect is taking the time to examine these issues -- and putting serious thinkers in charge of his review. Mumbai is a timely reminder that the stakes get no higher.

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Michael Gerson writes a twice-weekly column for The Post on issues that include politics, global health, development, religion and foreign policy. Michael Gerson is the author of the book "Heroic Conservatism" and a contributor to Newsweek magazine.
 
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An Open Society
We live in an open society. Open to those who would do us in. We've got to do something about this, as Bush did.

I wrote in Ron Paul but am now very pro-Obama--I've launched myself onto the bandwagon.

President-elect Obama: I have no doubt you'll do anything and everything possible to protect our families.

Our society is so open it publishes for the world our most intimate security secrets. How are we gonna survive such "freedom" over the long term?

Most of us, I'm sure, would not be against wiretapping and such if we felt that this would help catch the killers before they strike.

Yet, we rightly aspire to be an example to the world.

Mumbai is a timely and sober reminder that we have literally millions of open targets in this country: churches, schools, buildings, shopping malls, transportation systems, etc.

The objective would be to turn the mostly moderate Muslim community against us. Such a "turning" would unleash a nightmarish onslaught of horror in this country.

And, in an open society, all it takes is a few determined, well-trained killers to galvanize the opinion they are after in their deadly direction.

There is a Common Denominator.....
to each of those terrorist attacks that you mentioned at the beginning of your piece...Fundamentalist Islam.
In fact it is the common denominator for the overwhelming majority of terrosist attacks upon innocent men, women and children worldwide.
We can no longer pretend that there is a moral equivelance among all relgions.
Only one stands out for it's primative barbarism.

Terrorism
Everyone that thinks we can bring the Muslims/Islamist over to our way of thinking forget one small fact.

The fact that muslims have been trying to take over the world since the death of Mohammad in 624AD...that's 1300 years...

Do you really think a nice speech will change their objectives?

Great
So Guantanamo needs to be closed, but some detainees need to be held without trial. Nice job, Gerson. So let's open up a new Guantanamo somewhere else--maybe in Topeka, Kansas. Makes a lot of sense to me.

How about this: Bush exerts Executive Branch authority and ignores the Court. They have no say in how our wars are waged...and a nutty judge in D.C. would not be taken seriously who said storming Normandy is extra-Constitutional. In fact, hopefully he'd be thrown in prison for treason. Then, the next president can campaign on the issue...or change the arrangement when he/she comes to power. I noticed you said nothing about judicial over-reach. Why might that be? But you can criticize Bush's decisions and actions. Typical.

You are so tiring and predictable that I'm actually yawning.

Jimbo, you left out his sending 100
terrorist killer home to attack us again. What utter nonsense!

Preventing the Triumph of Violence
Preventing the Triumph of Violence:

NOT TO WORRY, SPAIN WILL COME TO OUR AID. EUROPE WILL AWAKEN AND SAVE US ALL. THEY BETTER, BECAUSE AMERICA IS ABOUT TO EXTRACT IT'S SELF FROM ALL THE WORLD PROBLEMS. JUST WATCH OUR EXIT FROM IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. IN THE THIRTIES I THINK THEY CALLED IT ISOLATIONISM ... IN THE END, WE HAD TO JUMP IN AND SAVE THE EUROPEAN CLOWNS A SECOND TIME IN 25 YEARS. WE WERE DOING SO THIS TIME BUT BAMMA WILL STEP IN AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. HE WILL SAVE YOUR OWN BACON... NOT TO WORRY... WE HERE IN AMERICA ARE GOING TO SAVE THE NON WORKING AND ILEGAL IMIGRANTS OF THIS NATION. I SUGGEST THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES THE SAME.

TO EUROPE WITH LOVE, A CONSERVATIVE

Preventing the Triumph of Violence:
NOT TO WORRY, SPAIN WILL COME TO OUR AID. EUROPE WILL AWAKEN AND SAVE US ALL. THEY BETTER, BECAUSE AMERICA IS ABOUT TO EXTRACT IT'S SELF FROM ALL THE WORLD PROBLEMS. JUST WATCH OUR EXIT FROM IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. IN THE THIRTIES I THINK THEY CALLED IT ISOLATIONISM ... IN THE END, WE HAD TO JUMP IN AND SAVE THE EUROPEAN CLOWNS A SECOND TIME IN 25 YEARS. WE WERE DOING SO THIS TIME BUT BAMMA WILL STEP IN AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. HE WILL SAVE YOUR OWN BACON... NOT TO WORRY... WE HERE IN AMERICA ARE GOING TO SAVE THE NON WORKING AND ILEGAL IMIGRANTS OF THIS NATION. I SUGGEST THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES THE SAME.

TO EUROPE WITH LOVE, A CONSERVATIVE

The Violence Will Come ... Guaranteed
When we begin categorizing Muslims into "good" Muslims and "bad" Muslims we take the first step toward surrender and into the hell of Islamic rule.

There are no good Muslims, just as there were no good Nazis. All Muslims are committed to a world ruled by Islam and they will stop at nothing to ensure that their goal is achieved.

This country should be closed to Muslim immigration. Those that are in this country and not U.S. citizens should be expelled immediately.

I would have done that on September 12, 2001 but that's just me; I'm not afraid of offending the enemy.

Clinton and Bush both survived domestic
Domestic attacks will happen sometime during the new administration first year welcome to the new world order.

Michael
"...But the administration will not be able to try everyone. Some detainees will be too dangerous to release but too difficult to convict in a normal court setting using unclassified evidence..."

First "...using unclassified evidence.." should read "tainted evidence". This is a major failure of the Bush Regime. How to handle clearly dangerous folks (although I like to imagine that even if I was completely innocent (some were) and held in Gitmo for more than five years I would aid anyone pledging to damage the US) when there is simply no mechanism to do so. Perhaps the Hague is an answer if they will touch it. I am convinced that at some point Bush will be forced to stand before the Hague to account for admitted torture and deaths under enhanced interrogations.

You have really cocked this up but at least you seem to acknowledge the fact

Bobaz
"Date: Dec 5, 2008 - 5:23 PM EST ...There are no good Muslims,...This country should be closed to Muslim immigration. Those that are in this country and not U.S. citizens should be expelled immediately..."

Can we do the same for the Christian right who fostered Rudolph and McVeigh?

"...I would have done that on September 12, 2001 but that's just me; I'm not afraid of offending the enemy..."

sure you are! You are scared witless if you want to close our borders to Muslims. But at least admit you are frightened and cannot compete don't hide it behind psuedo tough talk

I tend to agree with #3 bobaz
Gerson just listed the more noticeable ones. If you go to jihadwatch.com you will get a full listing of ALL the murders militant Muslims are committing on a daily basis on our planet. We really really need to be mowing these filthy pigs down much faster than we are now.

Sorry, I mean I agree
With Bobaz, not YOU Donahue. Your opinions are whack....

The subject was terrorism not Islam
Do not be set in your ways that terrorism is strictly a Muslim activity. Our southern border states are under serious jeopardy from the managers of the the largest drug distribution activity on the planet. Thousands of people in Mexico have been murdered in a very terrorist fashion, 4000 last month. While many proclaim that religion is a powerful motivator for terrorism, how do you feel about the profit motive?
Be very concerned about this under publicized threat. The social pot of Mexico is beginning to steam, soon to boil. Many of you rant about the second amendment and how ready you are. Well...you may get the opportunity to back that up, but from an enemy much closer to home.

No$
You've got that right, however we can't forget that several thousand of the illegals are OTM's and from countries with terror ties, so we can assume it won't be "if" but "when". It's pretty sad when the President is party to a politcal kangaroo trial and hasn't pardoned two men who were doing their jobs, protecting our borders. They are political prisoners for the Open Border gang. He can receive kudos for the WOT away from our country but he can't get anything but blame for the debacle that's happening daily on our southern border. And that Ramos and Campeon are suffering for this
is contemptible especially when he's pardoning all kinds of rats connected with selling drugs and other assorted criminals. How do you justify the war when you leave your back door open and vulnerable to the Lord only knows what nefarious individuals that have sneaked in on his watch.

If Krauthammer is Right
If K and the Weekly Standard and Bush/Cheney turn out to have been right--and this could well happen--then we will all indeed need to exhort Obama or the next prez to give a posthumous Medal of Freedom to Professor Leo Strauss.

What I've called the Kristol Take on Strauss is this, and it connects to Gerson's piece: 1) Americans are well-meaning, innocent and naive; 2) "innocents" do not survive in the Darwinian scheme of life (that is, the jungle of power relations) 3) naive folks need to be educated properly (by, for example, Victor Davis Hanson).

There's more to this syllogism. The Kristol Take makes of liberal learning an extraordinarily powerful weapon: Ideas indeed have consequences, as we see today in the ongoing world-historic drama, the climax or Act III of which was Bush's bold decsion. We still have, switching from logic to poetics, two more acts to go. This play transcends anything Shakespeare ever conceived of.

Will it be a tragedy? Or will it be, as the "innocent" Krauthammer hopes (now THAT is ironic)...a comedy?

The election of Obama increases the hope that this naive American has that the play will in fact turn out to have been a Comedy, a Divine Comedy. From Hell we pilgrims have progressed all the way up to Purgatory. Or have we? I mean, that would be nice, Purgatory.

Leo Strauss knew the great books. He taught men and women who taught men and women; and some of these have taught me, and I hope well.

Ideas have consequences.


I Started to Say
A posthumous Medal of Freedom should go to Professor Leo Strauss who, loving America, nonetheless saw deeply into its primordial weakness--its modernity, its lingering New England Liberal Sentiments, its "rose-colored glasses" vision of life and reality.

Strauss underlined the classics: Herodotus, Thucydides, Plato, Xenophon, Aristotle. These ideas indeed have had consequences even among "liberals" like James Carville. Carville's book about "stickin" is the best example. If I heard him right, the correct philosophy is about "stickin" with your friends and "stickin" it to your enemies. Fine. But this is a distortion of truth. If, I repeat if, Strauss was simply about this, he was wrong.

I think Strauss may well have been more universal than that. Anyhow, to prevent more killing, more fanatical violence, we might well start by stop distorting the truth about why, for example, the suicide-killers do what they do. On this, see the work of Robert A. Pape, U. of Chicago, home of Leo Strauss, and home, for a while, to Barack Obama.


Duncan62
"Date: Dec 5, 2008 - 8:00 PM EST Subject: Sorry, I mean I agree
With Bobaz, not YOU Donahue. Your opinions are whack...."

Actually they are not at all but based on prove tactics used in wars against all kinds of riffraff and criminals. Time to use or heads and proven tactics than all the uneducated and frightened emotion of your conservatives

Hal Dumahue
Hal, are you okay? You are even more scatterbrained than usual today. I hope you get better. Maybe you should try reading something other than liberal rant sites and believing their propoganda!!!

Patriots unite ... there is ...
Still time to sign the WND petition to compel Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro to prove that he is a Natural Born Citizen:

Go to this link:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550

Hal Donahue - You Are A Simpleton
Yes Mr. Hal Donahue, you are a simpleton. That is evident in your posts. I still can't figure out what the heck you are talking about in your most recent nonsensical post (#18).

Regarding post number 11, it is apparent that you did not read my post closely. I stated that Muslims who are not U.S. citizens should be expelled from the country. I said nothing about those that are U.S. citizens.

Then, after misreading my post, you tear off in some direction unrelated to the issue of Muslim terrorists. You cite Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh as evidence of some right-wing Christian threat. Whether or not they were influenced by right-wing Christian philosophy is the topic of discussion on every leftist blog. Additionally, Mr. Hal Donahue, Rudolph and McVeigh are/were American citizens just like William Ayres, Bernardine Dohrn, Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan.

Lastly, you fume that I am "scared witless" since I want to close the border to Muslims. On this point you are accurate. I AM afraid. I'm afraid for a country that is so bereft of leadership that it cannot see the threat of a foreign culture imposing itself on this country. I am afraid for a country that is so paralyzed by political correctness that it cannot speak for fear of offending those who would slaughter us. I am afraid for a country that will not protect its own borders while imprisoning men who would. I'm afraid for a country that would confer constitutional rights upon foreign combatants. I am afraid for a country that will not say that we are founded upon Christian principles.

Finally, Mr. Hal Donahue, I am afraid of people like you. You and others who think like you, exhibit all of the emotional and intellectual shortcomings that are the hallmark of the Obama voter.

Close the borders to infiltrators!
At the same time open the immigration system and allow robust legal immigration by all. Also at the same time allow, by changing the rules of engagement, the Border Patrol to protect the border rather than protect the well being of infiltrators. There is no better step that can be taken to prevent violence against USA citizens and legal immigrants in this country.

Subject : No$
I've been thinking about that a lot lately, living in San Diego. I would love to be able to visit Mexico the way I used to do, but no way am I going near that border. Profit is an excellent motivator for some people to kill. So vote Libertarian, legalize drugs, taking the profit out of the illegal activity. If someone wants to kill themselves with drugs, why should I care? That's just Darwin at work.

To Bobaz in AZ
Please explain to me why Immigration is allowing anyone into this country who doesn't have qualifications that we need for a specific job. I don't get it. We don't have enough money as it is to take care of the demands and needs of the population we do have. Do you know why they keep letting people in who aren't needed?
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