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Friday, July 27, 2007
Michael  Franc :: Townhall.com Columnist
SCHIP: A Step Towards Socialism
by Michael Franc
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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


During the heady days of 1993 when former First Lady Hillary Clinton assembled a group of health experts to reconfigure our health-care system, liberal strategists realized that the march toward socialized medicine might be a slow and halting one. Thus, they devised several alternate routes to the promised land of a universal, government-run system.

Intriguingly, one of these fall-back scenarios bears an uncanny resemblance to the dramatic expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) now under consideration on Capitol Hill.

One option set forth by Clinton’s health task force was dubbed “Kids First.” “Under this approach,” the task force authors explained, “health care reform is phased in by population [group],” beginning with “the most vulnerable of our citizens -- children.” Kids First, they admitted, “is really a precursor to the new [universal] system” under which states would receive “broad flexibility in its design so that it can be easily folded into … future program structures.”

Those “future program structures” included plans to eventually add other “population groups” to the government’s rolls.

Enacted four years after HillaryCare expired, SCHIP began as a modest program to expand coverage to children in families with incomes up to twice the poverty level ($40,000 for a family of four today). But one decade and some $40 billion later, profligate states have exploited loopholes and transformed SCHIP into a far more expansive program, one that now covers children in families with annual incomes as high as $82,000, their parents, and even some childless adults.

Following the script outlined in the task force memo, liberals lawmakers now want to expand SCHIP to “new populations” by increasing eligibility for this welfare-style benefit to children (including “slackers” up to age 24) in households with incomes as high as 400% of the federal poverty level. In the Senate version, SCHIP’s annual funding level would triple by 2012 to approximately $15 billion. (Liberals also pander to illegal immigrants with a provision that would eliminate the requirement that persons applying for Medicaid or SCHIP services show proof of citizenship.)

The appeal of using children for political gain is undeniable. “You can’t,” Republican pollster Whit Ayres says, “construct a [poll] question on children and health without getting an overwhelming majority in favor of giving health insurance to children.” Voting against more health care for kids, he notes, is “politically stupid.”

Nevertheless, the liberal road map would steer us straight into a ditch. Offering children from middle-income households a welfare-style health insurance benefit causes what economists call a “crowding out” effect -- i.e., expanding public health-insurance programs actually reduces the overall level of private coverage. Not only does this dramatically increase the cost per each new child covered, but it needlessly undermines private coverage.

MIT economist Jonathan Gruber examined recent expansions of government insurance programs for children and found that “a natural reaction for workers may be to drop coverage of eligible dependents only, while maintaining coverage for themselves.” Indeed, under the proposed expansion, SCHIP coverage would be available to income groups where 89% or more of children are already enrolled in private health plans. The Congressional Budget Office found that the Senate’s SCHIP bill would move more than 2 million children with private coverage to the government’s rolls.

Of course, if the conservative alternative is simply a little less socialism (the counteroffer from Senate Republican leaders is hardly inspiring: bar adults from SCHIP and limit coverage to children in families below 200% of poverty), the march toward HillaryCare will continue.

Thankfully, a hardy band of conservative senators have an alternative. Spearheaded by Sens. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) and Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), they propose overhauling the way we finance health care. They would jettison the current entitlement-style tax provision, which subsidizes even the most outrageously expansive health plans, and replace it with a universal health-care tax credit, capped at $2,000 for individuals and $5,000 for families. They also want states to dismantle regulatory obstacles and create competitive marketplaces where individuals could buy the health insurance plan that best suits their needs, thereby lowering the cost of coverage.

According to the Joint Tax Committee, this ambitious approach not only is budget neutral, but it would deliver private coverage to 24 million currently uninsured Americans -- six times the level achieved in the latest installment of HillaryCare.

Kudos to DeMint and his allies. Conservative lawmakers can’t beat something with nothing, especially when it’s socialism hitching a ride on the backs of our children.

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Won't Work
"They also want states to dismantle regulatory obstacles and create competitive marketplaces where individuals could buy the health insurance plan that best suits their needs, thereby lowering the cost of coverage. "

Under Franc's plan, Health insurance companies will continue to do to all individuals what they do now in the individual and small business markets, that is, they will refuse to cover individuals once they contract a chronic ailment. "Best suits their needs" is a code word for "offer health insurance that excludes coverage for chronic ailments like diabetes or cancer". I've seen some of those "best suits their needs" plans. They hold down costs by excluding treatment for anything that can be called "pre-existing medical condition"; by limiting what drugs may be purchased to only generic drugs; by limiting the maximum payout per year by the plan to some pre-set limit like $10,000 (a drop in the bucket for someone with cancer or Parkinson's disease). That's not a solution to the health crisis in this country today.

Just what are the 10% of Americans who have chronic ailments, that are expensive to treat but prolong life by years, supposed to do under Michael Franc's plan? Answer: the same thing they do now once their insurance company drops them, namely, exhaust their funds, declare bankruptcy, and then drop onto whatever charity or public systems will take them. Yikes!

Socialism
Georgiagal,

I refuse to be part of a socialist system where I am responsible for someone else's medical debt. It is not my issue that you cannot afford to pay your bill because insurance turns you down on it. I do enough by providing my tax dollars to welfare, foodstamps, and section 8 housing. Let the charities do their bit for a change and leave us taxpayers alone.

A Step?
This counry been "jogging" towards Socialism for the past 60+ years; and if the today's Democrat party was honest about it (they're not) they would change their name to the Socialist party--because that is what they are.

Stepping?
How about running to communism? And what do we get from the Republicans, socialism lite. Conservatives are still being betrayed.

georgiagal
Tis better a few go bankrupt(and we hope not) than the whole country under socialism.
Look at how it brought down the living standards
in the USSR.

Ron Paul on Healthcare
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=474

Ron Paul believes the government is a hindrance to quality healthcare for American citizens. He has expressed support for Health Savings Accounts, which are tax-deductible accounts coupled with catastrophic health insurance. There is a lot to be said for personal responsibility and demanding accountability from the healthcare industry.

http://www.RonPaul2008.com

Which candidates own Healthcare?
See for yourself. This is a chart showing which industries support the various candidates.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=H01

the problem is the concept of
insurance - the answer is always always insurance - of some form - the insurance companies sure want that - they benefit from it and rake in the dollars.

Not sure how - but the basic concept of insurance as we know it needs to change.

health care
The book, EQUAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL, offers an approach for solving our health care miseries that includes: 1) Everyone has to pay into our health care fund, 2) Insurance companies are eliminated, 3) A single payer administers complete payment and quality assurance but does NOT ration vital, comprehensive health care. The single payer controls the prices being paid for our health care. 4) Corporate mentality, i.e., basing success on profit margins is removed. Success is measured on the degree to which everyone has clear and equal access to vital, comprehensive health care and the standard of quality for that health care. However, health care businesses remain profitable in the system I have designed. 5) Higher levels of professional qualification and training for our doctors and nurses are mandated. 6) Other commonsense measures that mandate increased personal responsibility are described.
I do not believe that the correct way to approach solutions is via different population groups such as SCHIP. This introduces age discrimination on top of the economic discrimination that already exists.Please visit my web site for more info. (www.equalhealthcareforall.com)
Doctor K.

Socialism
Conservatives know the truth, that despite it's short term appeal, socialism ultimately diminishes and steals from the individual. Unfortunately, people are gullible and easily led by the lefts propaganda machine; ala, who would deny medical care to a child? If conservatives are to prevail and save this country from further socialist inroads, we will have to develop and market a plan to provide quality health care for all while avoiding the pitfalls of socialism. It is certainly possible and well worth the effort. It would also be fun to be perceived by the public as holding the higher moral ground.

doctork
Two portions of your screed scream for attention:

1) Everyone has to pay into our health care fund, 3) A single payer administers complete payment and quality assurance but does NOT ration vital, comprehensive health care. The single payer controls the prices being paid for our health care.

First, I object to the first on philosophical grounds: why should I be forced into an "insurance pool" to which I do not wish to belong? I do not owe it to anyone else to finance their healthcare against my choices.
Second, monopoly and price controls where commodities and services are concerned DO NOT promote quality and cost reduction. Never have, never will.
Peddle your little program to someone else. Besides, why would I want "equal" healthcare for all?

pianogirl
The 'opensecrets' site clearly shows Democrats
accepting the biggest bribes!

This is too funny...
As I read the article and the comments about how 'bad' socialized medicine is and how no one should be forced into paying for someone else's health-care, I looked at my tax return and noticed the page which helps me calculate how much I 'owe' the government for the 'self-employment' tax. You know, the tax we pay for someone else's health-care and monthly 'pay' check for sitting at home.

Get a grip folks...Social Security is socialized health-care and socialized retirement.

The question is, what are you going to do about it?
Besides nothing.

Now, tell me something is going to change because we vote for R's and D's.

Medical Care Crisis
I admit that this topic stumps me. As a conservative I don't believe that socialized medicine is the answer. Of course costs are out of control and many people don't have insurance although it seems that people's willingness to submit all medical treatment no matter how small to insurance may be part of the reason for the high costs. Of no one wants to see someone especially a child suffer or die for lack of treatment. We'll just have to keep working on this one. It does seem ironic however that so many foreigners come here to America to take advantage of our greatly publicized flawed health care instead of receiving treatment in their own countries. If our system is so flawed why are we the first so many non-Americans flock to?

doctork
Please identify what you mean by "vital, comprehensive health care". If your proposal is anything like the Canadian system then it is rationing. Who determines what is vital? More importantly, will our esteemed elected officals have to join in? If so, I want the same coverage they have.
Read up on the mess the Canadian system is in. I see it first hand with Canadians coming to my area for MRI's, etc. I see Canadians coming here to our cancer institute. Why, there is even a hotel within walking distance of the hospital soley used by Canadians. I do beleive they have a single payer system, correct?
Something needs to be done but the mere thought of our government running the program is frightening. Talk about corruption.

We already have
... socialized medicine, as Franc (indirectly) points out. The reason "health care" costs so much is government intervention. Everything the business side of health care does today is affected by regulation, and by federal and state programs to harvest funding from them (meaning ultimately from YOU) to subsidize care for designated groups.

Through my taxes, insurance premiums, and co-pays, I ALREADY contribute to the billions of dollars that go every year to subsidize health care for those without private health insurance. The fact that I am already subsidizing health care for others, and paying for the administration of multiple layers of regulation and mandates related to those subsidies, IS THE REASON INSURANCE AND OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENDITURES ARE SO EXPENSIVE.

More of this simply CANNOT make health care cheaper. It is literally impossible.

When are Americans going to figure this out?

Take control
I've lived in Canada. I've also lived in socialist Europe. I've experienced socialized medicine. And, to be honest, I'm embarassed that Max Baucus, whose bill this is, is our state's senator. He so proudly speaks of how much good this is going to do the children. Just don't look at the obvious fine print he-- or Hillary-- won't tell you about.

I also have three children. Socialized medicine for them is the farthest thing from anything I want for them.

Of course I pray nothing serious happens to them. Any responsible parent will. Of course, too, accidents happen. Illnesses and diseases happen. For this we simply need to be prepared.

But, I'm sorry, suggesting that once the government takes control of this, things will get better-- what an absolute farce.

We'll end up with physicians as personable as the "common" public works employee. They'll be just as driven, as well, as there will only be so much they can achieve/earn-- because the government says so. Surely they can do research, and most likely will because of the thrill of discovery, especially when it will be to the benefit of mankind.

But the drive will be unabashedly absent.

Like has been said, our taxes are already paying for so much-- too much. This will only increase taxes into a common, dare I say, cess pool, to pay out as the government so sees fit.

Because of what I've seen and personally experienced, come on-- we're in America. Yes, some reform is needed, but we can certainly do much better than this.

Taking the bull by the horns is a very viable option. It has already gotten our oldest son completely med-free, lost my husband and myself a good thirty pounds each, has avoided cholesterol meds for my husband, and, overall, has allowed our family profound health.

Taking a medication to make you feel better is NOT always the answer. Taking control of things YOURSELF can alone save you a ton of money, as it has our family.

Health care coverage is great, but there are avenues out there beyond this that can benefit you and your families even more.

The "solution" is the real problem!
It seems to me that almost exclusively when health care is discussed, two fallacies are accepted as truth. (Apologies to those who agree with me.)

The first is that we are in a Health Care CRISIS. The fact of the matter is that for the most part those who need health care receive it. Granted there are varying levels of service, just as there are in every other facet of American life. People don't all have the opportunity to eat caviar. Some have to settle for peanut butter and white bread. But very few people are starving in America. Likewise, some have more access to different types of care, but very few people are actually going without health care in America. There aren't children dying on our streets because they can't get treatment, and the tragedies are tragedies because they are the exception. To manage to the exception is lunacy.

The second fallacy is that we all need health insurance. In fact as a nation we are wildly over insured. I really don't need coverage for my routine physical. I also don't need coverage for my children's routine medical bills. Insurance is merely cost sharing, and cost sharing is never going to increase total services for all or reduce costs. Cost sharing only benefits those who contribute the least, and withdraw the most. The true beneficiaries of this scam are the insurance companies.

Until we all start taking responsibility for our own costs, and our own medical bills, and begin purchasing medical needs directly from the providers, costs will continue to skyrocket. There is no economic reason that health care costs should continue to climb. Can anyone explain why the cost of medical necessities continues to outpace inflation, while costs of non-covered or elective expenses decrease? Why has laser eye surgery become more affordable, even though generally this is not an insured expense?

The answer is that technology, combined with price competition, do what they've always done--lead to better lives for all of us. But instead of allowing the same in the greater "health care" field, we put on our blinders and follow what we've been told: that we all need insurance, and the best solution is for the government to handle it for us.

McFarlin
Yours is one of the very best comments I have seen on any article in TH, and I agree completely with your premise of greater individual responsibility for health care and for footing the bills. I also agree with your comments about health insurance and the looming question of what, specifically, we need to be insured for.

I have always been astonished at how quickly ordinary people make the leap from "whew, now I have a job with health insurance benefits" to "I don't want to pay anything, I want the health plan to pay for all of us." Insurance breeds an air of entitlement, and this is far from limited to those who live on the government dole. It is rampant among working people who otherwise are up to their eyeballs in debt for consumer goods, but don't want to pay a dime for their own health.

The same people who want to pay as little as humanly possible for health care are voracious consumers. They spend the money they earn, and a ton of it, on SUVs and minivans, European vacations, cosmetic surgery, 5 bedroom/4 bath homes, gym memberships, golf memberships, 72-inch TVs, home theaters, $5,000 computers, an array of digital equipment and designer handbags. But -- gasp -- a $60 prescription sends them into a tirade.

A good example of this for anyone who has a relative or friend facing some type of outpatient surgery: Ask your relative or friend if THEY asked the health care provider exactly how much this was going to cost, and if they used that number as part of their decision-making process. I'm willing to bet that if they have insurance, they never asked at all.

Arby....
..., you hit a huge nail right on the head. Many, if not most, middle and working class people, and those from the dependent class prioritize their spending with the expectation that government will take care of the important things like health care.

I came from the working class, and I've been a carpenter and licensed residential builder. I found what you said to be so very true. The RV, the motorcycle, the big screen TV, the 4x4 pickup, and the tricked-out fishing boat will almost always take priority over a health insurance plan. People from the three "classes" mentioned above expect an employer or the government to take care of their health care, and in many cases, they demand it.

It's all about stuff over substance.

btw: I wish, just for once, a Republican legislator from my state would author legislation as noted in the article. Then again, what can I expect? Michigan is "blue", and a majority of the voters here vote socialist at every turn.

McFarlin's fallacies:
"The fact of the matter is that for the most part those who need health care receive it."

Unfortunately, not true. From USA Today May 22, 2007:
<>
18,000 deaths blamed on lack of insurance

By Steve Sternberg, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — More than 18,000 adults in the USA die each year because they are uninsured and can't get proper health care, researchers report in a landmark study released Tuesday.

The 193-page report, "Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late," examines the plight of 30 million — one in seven — working-age Americans whose employers don't provide insurance and who don't qualify for government medical care.

About 10 million children lack insurance; elderly Americans are covered by Medicare.

It is the second in a planned series of six reports by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) examining the impact of the nation's fragmented health system. The IOM is a non-profit organization of experts that advises Congress on health issues.
<>

Second fallacy: the runup in costs is due to third party providers making health care "free". In actuality, the runup in costs is due to effectiveness of high technology and designer medicine in prolonging the life of the chronically ill (think: Christopher Reeves after the horse accident, or Tony Snow and Elizabeth Edwards fighting cancer). These people used to die; now they live, but it costs thousands of dollars per year to enable them to live.

The problem is as much a moral problem as an economic problem. What do we in the most advanced nation in the world owe to the lower middle class (the majority of those who do not have health insurance) when they contract expensive but treatable diseases?

Addendum
USA Today quote was 2002, not 2007.

Will Work
There is a health insurance fix that will work. It was proposed by Sen. Kerry in 2004, and now is proposed by Sen. Edwards in 2007, have proposed that the Federal Worker's health insurance plan be opened to anyone who wishes to join it. This is the same plan that Congress uses, as well as all federal government employees. Sen. Edwards proposes that a voucher be provided to low-income workers so that they can also participate. The way that federal insurance plan works is this:

1. over 200 individual health insurance plans are available to federal workers

2. the cost of each plan is the same for each person who purchases the plan ... no different rates for those who have pre-existing medical conditions

3. all plans must be bonded (so that they won't go out of business when a claim is made)

4. all plans must offer a basic set of services (no excluding "treatments for diabetes").

The federal employee insurance system has worked well for the past couple of decades. Extending it to all comers is a plan that can work.

The (runny) nose under the tent
It's also a step toward bankruptcy.

To provide the level of care that most Americans currently enjoy will be prohibitive as it adds the enormous expense of bureaucratic inefficiency to an already expensive proposition. It will also encourage, as have Medicare and Medicaid, the usual waste of resources that occurs when anything is perceived as “free”.

The lines will be long; the care will be cursory, and yes, rationed. (In the Canadian system so beloved by the socialists, the trick is just to prolong the wait for a lifesaving procedure until the patient dies, thereby obviating the necessity for it.)

The euthanasia crowd will come into its own, as the younger generation becomes increasingly annoyed by all the money it’s costing them to keep the older generation alive.

Meanwhile, fewer and fewer qualified people will be going to med school for the simple reason that they can make more money in other fields--such as malpractice law, a field which should burgeon.

Let's look at the bright side ...
business men recieving government money in a totally noncompetive environment. No more tossing and turning with restless nights pondering ways to beat the competition to meet real consumer demand. The only demand now will be specious forms remaining unexamined by a vast government bureaucracy. Toughest part of the job will be cozying up to polititians and goverment agents, and one usually hires a professional horse shi**er to do that.

Speaking of a vast government bureaucracy. This is jobs we are talking about. Who says they are nonproductive? These are consumers. It is awful petty of conservatives to insist that they have a right to do with their money as they wish. Government coersion through taxation is a secular spiritual dimension.
While it's true that government agencies are nonproductive in any real sense of the word ...
One must remember that wasted effort is time well spent.

Medical practitioners can rejoice. No more long hours and success won't be measured in medical competance but political conformity. Best of all, the lawyers will have to seek work in government jobs or go on the dole as doctors will be government employees and suit proof. After you build an agency of benevolence you certainly can't be associated with failure.

This is all too funny ... we are going to get everything we deserve. I just hope we live long enough to get our full share ....

The kids, I feel sorry for as we encouraged them to become wasteoids through our educational industry. Which is another phenomenon of leadership and acuity of government thinking.

we the people
are a lot to blame for health care problems.
We go to the doctor to much & take drugs way to much.
We get useless exams --some people do this on a
yearly bases.

Examples: my brother got an exam yearly - his wife insisted on it - on a saturday he was in
fine shape(per the doctor) & died a week later
with heart attack.

my uncle was still getting an exam at 93 yrs old. he did not take any drugs & was in
the hospital once for a hernia. He had no treatments of any kind.
Now think about the cost & the benifits!

I'd like to ask ...
our fiend s of the liberal ... secular progressive element. How is it that you are forever telling me about my moral duties and obligations and you personally have every opportunity to stick your hands in your pocket and shell out some money?
Whence comes this religious standard? You are the same people who are pro-abotion and believe it should be government sponsored and paid for.
You are believers that the rest of us family minded folks should be forced to pay for research and care for you and your collectives Aides ridden devestation.
I'm not a believer in Satan, but I do know the Satanic when I see it. You folks think you are going to be in seats of power and control, the praetorian guard, that government of necessity creates for its survival, will in the end elect ceaser. It is fascinating how we think of ourselves as being above the rules of history. We moderns feel so particularly exempt from cause and effect.


pandm ....
do you take your car for regular preventive maintenance or just run it into the ground?
My wife send me for preventive maintenance and three times they caught cancer and prevented me from dying in the agony that past members in the family suffered.
Get the insurance companies out of the picture ... all second party payers; and costs will be created by the market.

Study the affect of insurance competition for market share and how their investment in the medical market affect the same market.
Do you think that insurance companies just sit on the income? Government isn't a solution either .... do you suppose that if the government created a 'Comprehensive Health Care System' tomorrow, that they would go into the street and conscript employees?
The insurance companies were never opposed to Hillary's Health Care and she knows that. She is certain about their support and compliance. They didn't approve of the way the pie was divied up and they were dissatified with her concept of controlling authority.

When it comes to money, 99.99% of us are worthy of official designation of 'Sex Workers'.

wrong argument
We keep arguing about how much government should be involve in health care and how insurance companies should be run. Let's get right back to basics: government should have nothing to do with health care other than having a regulatory body that monitors the certification of health care professionals. Note that I did NOT say that the government should administer such programs, only that they should monitor those groups that do to insure that standards are met. The government must get completely out of paying for any kind of health care and it must get out of any kind of health insurance program. Sounds tough but if you can't afford health care or health insurance, either find a job that allows you to do so or go to the churches and other charitable organizations and beg. Maybe a little begging would prioritize your life for you.

Disappointed in Response
"The government must get completely out of paying for any kind of health care and it must get out of any kind of health insurance program. Sounds tough but if you can't afford health care or health insurance, either find a job that allows you to do so or go to the churches and other charitable organizations and beg."

In the 1930s, this was called "eliminating useless eaters". Americans are better than that.

True American
so what is stopping you from demonstrating the trueness of your convictions. First, as you believe the government should be the arbiter of all true behavior under the leadership of people such as yourself, let me ask. Do you take tax deductions and if so why? What kind of home do you live in and what kind of car do you drive? What is your occupation and can we be certain that it will in no way upset other peoples sensibilities. Do you realize that your first duty is to the state, the system cannot look askanse at those who skirt the obligations of the state.

A a subjectivist, your subjectivity can be readily changed. Your moral superiority is not as rigid as you believe. I actually think that you are only too well aware of this and you just enjoy sounding superior, or so you think.
In essence ... like all liberals, you are a fake and a phony and a fraud. The trick for people who wish to remain secure around people like you is to realize that you are an enemy and there is no half way mark.
There is no such thing as a little bit of socialism, history bears that out.

Will work/Won't Work
Since when does a government program depend on whether or not it is 'good' or 'bad' or 'will' work or 'will not' work?

If it gets votes do it. Even those who somehow know it is not a government function will fall in line.

Anyone who would accept a government statistic or 'fact' without close personal inspection is acting ignorant. That goes for any periodical as well, especially when they have an agenda.

The prognosis for this country is
not good. I fear that one of several things is going to happen within the next generation. Due to both the Democrats and Republicans drifting further left the economy in the U.S. will fail and go into another great depression.

1. Most likely - Since the country will already be socialist/communist there will be nothing that can even temporarily relieve the problems. This will result in a revolution in which all the socialists and communists are killed and the country will start over.

2. Next most likely - The economy will fail, the military will be disbanded and another great war will start. Since we have no military the U.S. will cease to exist.

3. Far out - The economy will fail, another war will start except that Iran will launch Nukes at the U.S. This will initiate a nuclear exchange. The Russians and Chineese will get involved. An uncontrolled release of Nukes will occur and civilization will be reduced to a few isolated people grubbing out an existence in caves. Their names will be Adam and Eve and the world will start over.

Cliff
Not everyone needs to go for an annual physical. No doubt some would think me negligent for not taking my kids to the doc for an "annual exam". Why on earth should I pay $$ to have someone else explain the obvious, that my kids are the picture of health? I myself don't go for an annual, not even for the female stuff.
That said, I do maintain the car, and do drive it till it's dead. Cars are the worst investment you can make so might as well make the most of it.

QUEEN HILLY TELLS MORE LIES
Anything that Queen Hilly comes up with will always include screwing the American people, hidden cash that can be easily diverted into her projects, tons of B.S. paperwork that no one understands,and some excuse to blame the Republicans when the project fails. If something works, it will be because of Hillary. Everything that fails will be blamed on anyone but her. Can't we find some other country or planet to send her to?

RR

What does FREE mean?
Unfortunately, to far too many people -- socialists especially -- it means that they don't see the bill for what they buy.

If the socialists in Canada received a summary at the end of every tax year, showing what their medical care cost and what they paid in (what was extorted from them under false pretenses,at least here in Ontario where the Health Premium goes straight into the general Money Pot), I have the feeling that Mrs. Muhammed with her 8 children would have a Debit of five figures and a Credit of three. People who work hard for a living and come from the "take an aspirin and get over it" school of thought would find their summary showed the reverse.

How long do you think that system would hold up if people were forced to quit calling it FREE HEALTH CARE?

AudiR10
What it is is a mixture of Heinlein and Einstein. Heinlein's saying was TANSTAAFL from "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" (There ain't no such thing as a free lunch). Einstein gave us the theory of relativity. SO you put them together and what you get is that free is relative. To the slugs on welfare who receive food, housing, and healthcare its free. To the poor working bast*rd who pays taxes it's like he's supporting a relative and he pays double, for his and theirs.

Vote GOP for health care; get nothing.
I spent the last seven years looking for the same kind of aggressive and persistent advocacy in health care policy reform from Republicans that they heartily displayed on income tax cuts and the Iraq war. Unfortunately, what little they have offered -- tax-exempt health savings accounts and Bush's plan premium tax credits -- strongly suggests GOP lawmakers care very little about the burden of health care costs on the middle class. Just one GOP-controlled Congress making drastic market-oriented reform of the statutes and regulations governing one-seventh of the nation's economy the chief goal would have convinced me they really cared, even if a Senate filibuster ultimately blocked some or all of them. How anyone can be reassured reading that, as usual, GOP lawmakers have recovered their zeal for market-oriented solutions only after they've been thrown out of power disgusts me. Where the hell were they four years ago!? Because of those useless, cynical incompetents, the only party offering anything to the middle class is the Democrats, and they'll just give us "Hillary Care." Thanks a lot, losers.

SCHIP
I have no way of knowing for sure, but I do not believe that our children are poorly served by their current levels of health care. My "lawn man"'s son was severely injured, was cared for , and made an excellent recovery at public expense. And I have no reason to believe that their experience was atypical. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

georgia gal
the answer to your question is simple: we owe NOTHING to anyone who hasn't provided for their own health care- or are too stupid to take advanrage of FREE emergency treatment - well it only free to them - WE pay.
no one is entitled to "free" anything- food housing clothing yachts palaces pate de foie gras -nothing.
The reason we WORK is to obtain those things for ourselves- not the slackers-how hard is that to understand?

georgiagal
btw- an article from USA today is harly hard data
or refernce material gads!

Cliff
affect and effect are not the same thing- try to spell your arguments and perhaps they might have an impact-naaah forget it - socialists never learn anything

The ER health care system
Look...there is a difference between apolitical children and their wild eyed [right and left wing] parents.

Do you honestly think these children go away? No, they end up in the emergency rooms for acute illnesses and impact the health care costs of everyone. Why not recognize it for what it is, fund it, provide preventive care and treatment that will result in a healthier populace and provide a cut off date, say age 18.

I am republican and conservative and a business owner. I am already funding half of social security for every worker. Why not fund the health care for children who are the future of our country?
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