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Saturday, November 29, 2008
Michael Barone :: Townhall.com Columnist
Managing Risk in an Unstable World
by Michael Barone
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How can we reduce risk for individuals? That's a natural question when a financial crisis has vaporized trillions of dollars of personal wealth in residential real estate and financial instruments. The problem is, when you try to reduce risk for individuals too much, you end up making things much more risky.

Case in point: the financial system over the past decade. Our current difficulties arose from "the idea," as Nicole Gelinas describes it in the New York Post, "that any loan, bond or other bank asset could be sliced up and turned into an instantly liquid, priceable and tradeable security, with all its risks engineered away." The securitization of mortgages seemed to reduce risk for everyone -- for the lender (who avoided risk of non-payment by selling the mortgage), for the borrower (who got the mortgage at a lower rate than otherwise) and for the purchaser (because all those mortgages couldn't got belly up at once, could they?).

The problem was that the risk models were based on the experience of only the last seven years or so, and that both the Clinton and Bush administrations and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac encouraged the granting of mortgages to borrowers who were, by previous standards, non-creditworthy.

So eliminating risk ended up creating huge risk for everyone -- so huge that just about no one, even the Treasury armed with $700 billion -- wants to purchase the securitized mortgages in bank portfolios.

Or take another case recently in the news. The United Auto Workers, a forward-thinking union, wanted to eliminate the risk for its members of retiring without comfortable pensions and entirely free medical care. So they negotiated contracts with what we used to call the Big Three U.S. auto companies that guaranteed UAW retirees big pensions and free medical care for life.

But that assumed that the companies could always fund those benefits. If, as now seems possible, the Detroit Three go bankrupt, those pensions will be replaced by limited government pensions and those free retiree health benefits will vanish altogether. Eliminating risk turned out to be very risky.

Which is my answer to those, like Yale Professor Jacob Hacker, who advocate public policies to reduce risk for individuals. In his book "The Great Risk Shift," Hacker argues that the move over the past 25 years from defined-benefit pensions (in which an employer pays into a pension fund) to defined-contribution pensions (in which an employer pays into every employee's personal investment account) makes life unbearably risky for ordinary people. And to be sure, almost everyone's 401(k) account has shrunk over the last three months.

But are those people worse off than Detroit Three retirees? Their 401(k)s may rise in the years ahead. The Detroit Three pensions are at risk of being permanently slashed.

My own sense is that ordinary Americans are more resilient than some theorists think. They form and act upon what Milton Friedman called the permanent-income theory and Franco Modigliani called the life-cycle theory -- that is, they develop a pretty good idea of their long-term earning capacity and their ability to accumulate wealth, and spend accordingly.

They may shift these expectations in a crunch, and may be doing so now, as purportedly risk-free financial products and corporate pensions are revealed as hugely risky. But through thick and thin they're constantly calibrating and recalibrating the amount of risk they should take. And while some people make bad decisions, all those decisions put together seem to have proved less risky than Fannie Mae's securitized mortgages or the UAW's retiree health care benefits.

There are good arguments for safety net programs like Social Security, which eliminate severe downside risk -- or at least eliminate it if Social Security has a sound long-range financing scheme, which it may not. Curiously, most current policymakers seem more concerned about the risks of climate change, about which there is much uncertainty, than the risks of Social Security collapse, about which the numbers seem much more certain.

My larger point is that eliminating risk entirely is an impossibility, and mitigating risk intelligently means not only maintaining sensible safety nets but, more importantly, stoking the engines of economic growth.

Happily, President-elect Obama's top economic appointees seem to have a similar understanding. A capitalist economic system, which enables risk-taking through intelligently structured and regulated financial markets, has been proven by history to be, as Winston Churchill might have put it, the most risky system except for all those other economic systems ever devised.

Let's try it again, this time keeping a gimlet eye on those who tell us they have schemes that can eliminate risk altogether.

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Can't we just solve these problems?
We are far past blaming each other for the world's financial problems, or maybe not there yet. First we need to solve problems so the world's economy doesn't collapse.
Then, after things are better, we can all take a deep breath and do whatever is needed so this never happens again.
After all that, we can go back to normal blaming each other.

Risk is Ubiquitous...
in our economics and our politics. We should not take this subject lightly as we can see from the comments generated the issue touches on almost everything in our lives. This is because riskiness is the inherent nature of a changing and uncertain universe and risk (actually, loss) aversion is the fundamental survival mode guiding human behavior.

So risk and our need to manage it has given us the protection of the social welfare state, social insurance and our financial markets. It also gives us hope and the promise of a better future. But nature and science has shown that the best way to manage risk is through broad diversification and contingency planning. For each free individual this means acquiring diversified skills and assets.

Neither Washington or Wall St. will deliver this. Save and invest wisely - that's the only way to efficiently manage risk. And good God, please don't wait on Obama or Congress to deliver on their promises of security!

Its easy to blame Hoover.

Its easy to blame Hoover. Doesn't require a lot of thought. Just blame the man at the top. Doesn't matter that he wasn't in office long enough to cause or stop the Great Depression.

The fact is the Great Depression began because prices dropped on the Stock Market.

You can no more Blame Hoover for prices dropping on the Stock Market than you can Blame Bush for prices dropping on the Oil Markets.

lightening_fast_draw

Please tell me what that has to do with the banks? Its the banks that began the crisis. Its the banks writing bad loans that were bought up by Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and then fed to Wall Street as safe, secure, investments.

You may want to blame Wall Street, but the cause is your own government pressuring banks to write bad loans.

Avoiding Depression
Lots of good comments left and right and food for investigation online. I like the one about three Republican administrations 1922-1932 causing the Depression. But it is wrong. Republican Hoover and his Congress did it. Congress proposed Smoot Hawley and Hoover, against all economic and industrial advice, signed it into law. However, four term President Roosevelt and his Congresses ensured the Hoover launched depression would extend another 8 years, growing into the Great Depression. The threat of Hitler developing an atom bomb before we did caused Roosevelt to engineer Pearl Harbor to get us into WWII. Fifteen million people in uniform and lots of defense work got us out of the Depression, clearly showing people's energies can be focused to produce highly expendable war materials of no value but victory. The current mortgage crisis was engineered as an excess profits world tax in that it destroyed $ trillions of assets purchased with dollars we will no longer have to pay back. At 4% to 9% inflation, China and other nations are losing hundreds of billion of dollars every year. The need to keep the dollar as the world's reserve currency and America first economically, militarily, politically, and culturally is why we went into Afghanistan and Iraq and why Obama will spend as Roosevelt did in WWII to limit the recession from growing into another Great Depression.

Ken, The Uniformed
A number of regulations were violated. For example, credit default swaps (CDS) skirted Insurance Regulators and as a result Wall Street underwrote billions of dollars of liability with no capital base. It would not have taken any outstanding talent for regulators to enforce the capital requirements for underwriting insurance contracts. Instead, investment banks collected premiums but could not pay when the underlying securities went into default. Self-regulation has never been a strong suit of Wall Street. It has been crashing off and on since 1792.

Which Regulation?

Notice the people that blame everything on de-regulation can never point to which regulation that is no longer there actually caused the banks to collasp.

We do know the banks wrote bad loans. We do know Democrats threatened the banks with more regulations if they didn't write bad loans.

The only regulation we need is a regulation that says banks can't write bad loans. Liberals oppose that regulation.

Charley
Remember the only lesson.

It's not about spreading the wealth. It's not about creating wealth.
It is about wealth DESTRUCTION.

Under Bubba's reign the stock market tripled, mostly, because the sound "tax and spend" policies of the 90's was eventually going to bring the deficit to zero.

Under George Bush and the Republican Congress' 'reign of error' the
outstanding national debt has more than doubled in a mere eight years. The stock market has lost 20% of its value due to the Republican mantra of 'cut taxes and spend even more.'

Don't forget, the entire war in Iraq has been financed by sending IOU's to China, UAE, Japan, Singapore, Saudi Arabia to name a few. This is wealth-redistribution from Americans to foreigners, plain and simple. And you can thank the Republicans for this.

Remember the first lesson
Weather it be retirement funds or to gain wealth through stocks, property or investments.

Lesson 1. It is not so important about attaining wealth as it is about preserving wealth.

First when your counting on future solvency for your retirement. It means you have not earnt it yet. Do not count chickens before they hatch. The reference of that is a scheme they put false hope in from day one. The employees knew that and will lose. Sad, but no ones fault, as they took the big risk, and the investment went sour. The old saying a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Social Security is already spent and again solvency will depend if you and what you get. Another chicken waiting to hatch. Do not count on it.

The problem with most funds is you can not pull your money out when it goes bad to safe haven of cash or safe banks. Regulations screw this up. Treasury Bills and Cash are the only thing I trust, unless shorting the market at this time.


Sol, Ca - Right On!
It would be pleasantly shocking if the U.S. Justice Department and the U.S. Senate Judiciary investigated those who sat on the board of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and those involved in ACORN who intentionally pushed for illegal legislation along with those in Congress who filled their bank accounts or did nothing and knew about the fraudulent loans. And, it would be pleasantly shocking if the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee or the U.S. Justices actually followed the law and upheld the law under Article II, of the U.S. Constitution, and protected the welfare and safety of the American people by ordering president-elect Obama to produce proof of being a natural born U.S. citizen. If he doesn't have to follow the laws of the land and be an example to the people as a constitutional attorney then why should anyone have to follow the laws or be punished? It appears that our laws only applied to some but not all.

sol
With utmost sincerity, thank god SEVEN-TIME CONVICTED FELON Ted Stevens, a Republican, is NOT going to retain his senate seat. Good job, Alaska. The self-proclaimed 'King of Pork' doesn't live to legislate and get more pork for another day.

I remember when Ted thought his 'Bridge to Nowhere' was more important to fund than aiding the victims of Hurricane Katrina. No one will confuse him of being a compassionate Conservative.

larry22 Location: MI
" The first act of congress should...
...be to take back the millions pay to Jamie Gorelick and Frank Raines. Then, to investigate these people for fraud. Then, to investigative any politician or congressional committee chair that made public statements that Freddie Mac and Fannie May were solvent."

Hopefully, the U.S. Department of Justice Office of Special Counsel will investigate any and all persons indicated in the debacle.

sol
tax cuts paid for Republican socialism.

Republicans have too many quiet brands of socialism. They use phrases like, "We need to inject capital into the financial sector.(Hank Paulson)"
Sounds fancy, well hold onto your wallet.

Who is we? 'We' is the American taxpayer. What is capital? 'Capital is taxpayer's money. What is the financial sector? The 'financial sector' is certain Republican-donating banks.

As of now, Bush and Paulson have given their favorite banks $250 billion. What are these banks doing with that money? Most are paying dividends to their precious stockholders. This is the most envious of government teat sucking of all. Wealth-redistribution in a time of war is most distasteful.

This Republican give-away takes money from Main Street and gives it to the banks' owners. George Bush and Hank Paulson certainly know how to take care of their friends. In sum, it is yet another example of the ruthless expropriation of wealth from the American downtrodden toiling strata to those in the upper strata.


tax cuts / remarkably successful pt II
The economy was choking on high inflation, high interest rates, and high unemployment. All three of these economic bellwethers dropped sharply after the tax cuts. The unemployment rate, which peaked at 9.7 percent in 1982, began a steady decline, reaching 7.0 percent by 1986 and 5.3 percent when Reagan left office in January 1989.


sol
tax cuts lead to yet another Republican wealth redistribution project.

The most odious is the wealth redistribution of American wealth to foreigners. Our liberal-socialist social engineering project in the middle east of bringing democracy there is financed solely through US debt securities sold to China, Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Russia to name a few. Our economy and fiscal sanity is being hollowed out. Remember, we had a tax cut shortly after the war started 5 and half years ago.

China now owns $1.4 trillion in US Treasury securities.

tax cuts / remarkably successful
Over the past 100 years, there have been three major periods of tax-rate cuts in the U.S. Each of these periods of tax cuts was remarkably successful as measured by virtually any public policy metric.

During the four years prior to 1925 inflation-adjusted revenues declined by an average of 9.2 percent per year (See Table 1). Over the four years following the tax-rate cuts, revenues remained volatile but averaged an inflation-adjusted gain of 0.1 percent per year. The economy responded strongly to the tax cuts, with output nearly doubling and unemployment falling sharply, tax rates on the highest-income brackets were reduced the most, which is exactly what economic theory suggests should be done to spur the economy.

The 1964 tax cut reduced the top marginal personal income tax rate from 91 percent to 70 percent by 1965; reduced lower-bracket rates as well. In the four years prior to the 1965 tax-rate cuts, federal government income tax revenue--adjusted for inflation--increased at an average annual rate of 2.1 percent, while total government income tax revenue (federal plus state and local) increased by 2.6 percent per year. In the four years following the tax cut, federal government income tax revenue increased by 8.6 percent annually and total government income tax revenue increased by 9.0 percent annually. Government income tax revenue increased in the years following the tax cut, at a much faster rate, resulting in higher incentives to work, produce, and invest, and the economy responded. Between 1978 and 1982, the economy grew at a 0.9 percent annual rate in real terms, but from 1983 to 1986 this annual growth rate increased to 4.8 percent.


Hehehe...
...zapdoodat, chill out and drink some Kool-aid! You're no fun ... too easy!

larry22 and sol
someone should investigate these ethanol corporate handouts.

Republicans did have the 'audacity' to increase farm subsidies from 2001-2007 to the princely sum of $34 billion a year.

We have ethanol mandates, sugar, cotton, soybean, wheat and many more agricultural handouts for the Midwest. These teat-suckers need to get their mouths off the nipples of the government sow. This is a Republican wealth-redistribution program from America's east and west coasts to America's heartland, with America's heartlands values.

Why would one believe that sugar should be subsidized, unless, of course, you are a dentist?

Why should cotton be subsidized, since most of it is exported, the number one importer of cotton is China? Who believes that Chinese manufacturing should be subsidized by the American taxpayer?

It takes a gallon of oil to make a gallon of ethanol. No more mandates! If an American farmer can't compete in the global marketplace, then they can always get a job at Walmart, as a 'greeter.'

The first act of congress should...
...be to take back the millions pay to Jamie Gorelick and Frank Raines. Then, to investigate these people for fraud. Then, to investigative any politician or congressional committee chair that made public statements that Freddie Mac and Fannie May were solvent.

Heads need to roll. I am certain that if there were publicly identifiable Republicans that earned multi-million dollar salaries the media would show their faces 24/7 and they would be investigated, charged and made to do the "prep walk in handcuffs" on camera.

http://inzax.us/2008/09/17/jamie-gorelick-clinton-crony/

"Gorelick...served on the board of directors of Fannie Mae...was part of the accounting cook booking scheme which has resulted in hundreds of billions of dollars in losses and is now owned by the taxpayer...Gorelick pocketed $26 million from her Fannie Mae affiliation."

Frank Raines, another democrat, raked in $90 million in pay to cook the books for democrats and ACORN:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/how_clos e_are_raines_and_obama.html

"He (Frank Raines) was accused of manipulating earnings statements so he could be paid bonuses to which he was not entitled."

This is fraud and a felony.

Inconvenient Tax Truths
Tax rate reductions increase tax revenues. This truth has been proved at both state and federal levels, including by President Bush's 2003 tax cuts on income, capital gains and dividends. Those reductions have raised federal tax receipts by $785 billion, the largest four-year revenue increase in U.S. history. In fiscal 2007, which ended last month, the government took in 6.7% more tax revenues than in 2006.

These increases in tax revenue have substantially reduced the federal budget deficits. In 2004 the deficit was $413 billion, or 3.5% of gross domestic product. It narrowed to $318 billion in 2005, $248 billion in 2006 and $163 billion in 2007. That last figure is just 1.2% of GDP, which is half of the average of the past 50 years.

Lower tax rates have be so successful in spurring growth that the percentage of federal income taxes paid by the very wealthy has increased. According to the Treasury Department, the top 1% of income tax filers paid just 19% of income taxes in 1980 (when the top tax rate was 70%), and 36% in 2003, the year the Bush tax cuts took effect (when the top rate became 35%). The top 5% of income taxpayers went from 37% of taxes paid to 56%, and the top 10% from 49% to 68% of taxes paid. And the amount of taxes paid by those earning more than $1 million a year rose to $236 billion in 2005 from $132 billion in 2003, a 78% increase.

Finally, another inconvenient truth is that there have been 49 consecutive months of job growth as a result of the economic expansion induced by President Bush's 2003 tax rate reductions.

larry22
We need to be more fiscally responsible.


Republicans have too many quiet brands of socialism. They use phrases like, "We need to inject capital into the financial sector.(Hank Paulson)"
Sounds fancy, well hold onto your wallet.

Who is we? 'We' is the American taxpayer. What is capital? 'Capital is taxpayer's money. What is the financial sector? The 'financial sector' is certain Republican-donating banks.

As of now, Bush and Paulson have given their favorite banks $250 billion. What are these banks doing with that money? Most are paying dividends to their precious stockholders. This is the most envious of government teat sucking of all. Wealth-redistribution in a time of war is most distasteful.

This Republican give-away takes money from Main Street and gives it to the banks' owners. George Bush and Hank Paulson certainly know how to take care of their friends. In sum, it is yet another example of the ruthless expropriation of wealth from the American downtrodden toiling strata to those in the upper strata.

Such pressures would pose once again the contradiction between the Republican's defense of free markets and its backing for corporate ns, subsidies, tax breaks, no-bid contracts, and other forms of special treatment from government.


With the war in Iraq, a Republican administration that disdained social engineering to fight poverty or revamp health care in the United States assumed perhaps the most daunting social engineering project in American history: to pacify, rebuild, and democratize a land with alien culture and traditions, no history of democratic practice, and deep sectarian divisions. The Bush administration and fellow Republicans neither planned nor prepared for this vast undertaking.

The entire cost of the war has been financed with tax cuts and by selling US Treasury securities to foreign countries.

So, the explosion of subprime loans...
...that went bad and caused the lost of trillions of dollars was caused by the Bush tax cuts!

And, all of these once mighty bank holding corporations trust infamous Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and now Barack Obama, in other words, these companies want "big daddy democrat govmint with the deep, deep pockets" to run their companies for them.

These bank holding companies invite Obama socialism? Is this a correct assessment of your thoughts? Now the question is, with the government, and the government's deep pockets, supporting these bank holding companies, will that make these banks take foolish risk ... like backing government mandated Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) subprime loans of mortgage banks, promoting "the speculative pool" even more? Don't democrats still want everyone to have an affordable home?

And, since Obama promises to give 95% of taxpayers a tax cut, will this further push us for the road of speculation like the Bush tax cuts did?

sol
With all due respect, a good Conservative should be angry with the way George Bush and his Republican sycophants and toadies have left this country.

Under Bubba's reign the stock market tripled, mostly, because the sound "tax and spend" policies of the 90's was eventually going to bring the deficit to zero.

Under George Bush and the Republican Congress' 'reign of error' the
outstanding national debt has more than doubled in a mere eight years. The stock market has lost 20% of its value due to the Republican mantra of 'cut taxes and spend even more.'

Don't forget, the entire war in Iraq has been financed by sending IOU's to China, UAE, Japan, Singapore, Saudi Arabia to name a few. This is wealth-redistribution from Americans to foreigners, plain and simple. And you can thank the Republicans for this.


Zapdoodat
OK.

Zap-anger
Unexpressed anger can lead to a personality that seems perpetually cynical and hostile. People who are constantly putting others down, criticizing everything, and making cynical comments haven't learned how to constructively express their anger. Not surprisingly, they aren't likely to have many successful relationships.

Remind yourself that getting angry is not going to fix anything, that it won't make you feel better (and may actually make you feel worse).

Logic defeats anger, because anger, even when it's justified, can quickly become irrational. Angry people tend to jump to—and act on—conclusions, and some of those conclusions can be very inaccurate. Remind yourself that the world is "not out to get you," you're just experiencing some of the rough spots of daily life. Angry people tend to demand things: fairness, appreciation, agreement, willingness to do things their way.

Angry people tend to jump to—and act on—conclusions, and some of those conclusions can be very inaccurate.

With counseling, psychologists say, a highly angry person can move closer to a middle range of anger in about 8 to 10 weeks, depending on the circumstances and the techniques used.

larry22
Let's take a look at a few facts.

It only took three terms of consecutive Republican presidents (Warren G. Harding;1920, Calvin Coolidge; 1924, Herbert Hoover;1928) to drive my beloved and proud country to its knees more than 70 years ago, resulting in the Great Depression.

When will you learn that the country needs to be run by competent people?

Anyhow, it only took one Republican president, in two terms, to drive this mighty of mighty countries to the brink of financial oblivion. George Bush is the master of 'cut taxes and spend even more' that has successfully hollowed out our economy.

Let's remember, it's not about spreading the wealth, or creating wealth, but it is about the DESTRUCTION of wealth, Republican-style.

I hope you are proud of yourself and will NEVER vote Republican again

JD's Handsome Son
Let us engage in logical, cogent, coherent discussion. Too many of your posts consist of ad-hominem attacks of dubious quality.

So, the way out of the credit crisis...
...is for Obama and congressional democrats to do more of what Bush and Republicans did wrong with the ecomony? Throw trillions of dollars at the problem!

Zapdoodat
Zapdoodat, you're an uptight annoying fellow and it's clear why you've been laid off so many times. You're not liked and probably a lousy worker judging from your infantile rants here.

These qualities are typical of liberals who were improperly parented by '60s hippies and anarchists who didn't fit in back then either.

Just because you're mad at your parents for not making you grow up, don't take it out on us. We can't help it if we're smarter and better than you in all ways.

I hope my constructive criticism of you helps. No need to thank me.

Gerard
Amen bro! It gets even murkier.

The Wall Street Journal, on September 22, 2008 had a lead story titled, "End of an Era", or was it "The end of Wall Street’s business model."

Anyway, it talked about the two remaining remaining investment banks, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, they had volunteered to become bank holding companies. Goldman and M-S had volunteered to be regulated by the government because their very own business models were failing them.

Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs had all seen their business models completely fail and had gone bankrupt or had been nearing bankruptcy. They could not run themselves.

Bank holding companies face stricter oversight by numerous federal agencies, closer supervision by the government, and more stringent capital requirements. In effect, these once mighty corporations trust Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and now Barack Obama to run their own companies, than they do themselves. I will never forget reading about it, it was quite shocking!

The speculative pool
got out of hand. Those Bush tax cuts had to go somewhere. Guess what speculative blindsiding of the public it funded. CLUE: it's topic #1 in our country right now.

Larry
I'm a Republican

larry22
Understand?

Only the truly ignorant would put the blame on the moronic Democrats. Republican de-regulators in the US Senate and House and Alan Greenspan led the way.

If you are looking for someone to hang the blame on, look to “Poison Pill Phil” Gramm. Not only did John McCain’s “econ brain” create the Enron debacle, the mortgage meltdown, he is also responsible for the unregulated speculative electronic trading bubble in the commodities markets that gave us $140+ barrel oil and $4 gallon gasoline.

But, hey, I guess it is a whole lot easier to not do your homework and just reflexively blame some liberal Democrats.


I'll put this in a way you can...
...understand, zapdoodat.


Let's say, former Bush attorney general, John Ashcroft, received $90 million in pay from either Freddie Mac or Fannie May, would you call for numerous congressional investigations?

Let's say former Bush secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, received $26 million in pay from either Freddie Mac or Fannie May, what would you, the leftist media and congressional democrats be screaming from every rooftop?

Don't these things scream for an investigation? Or, has too much democrat kool-aid drinking clouded your logic, zapdoodat?

Fannie and Freddy
lost market share in the sub-prime market. Why is that? Who gained market share in sub-prime? These are the real culprits.

democrat mortgage paydays
democrats raked in multi-million dollar paydays like, Jamie Gorelick, by using their clout with the DNC to help Freddie Mac and Fannie May to cook their books so Barney Frank and his boyfriend could keep campaign contributions flowing the democrats in Congress to turn a blind eye. By the way, Jamie Gorelick is the one who established the "wall of separation" between the CIA and the FBI making the 9/11 terrorist.

http://inzax.us/2008/09/17/jamie-gorelick-clinton-crony/

"Gorelick also served on the board of directors of Fannie Mae, and was part of the accounting cook booking scheme which has resulted in hundreds of billions of dollars in losses and is now owned by the taxpayer...Gorelick pocketed $26 million from her Fannie Mae affiliation."

Frank Raines, another democrat, raked in $90 million in pay to cook the books for democrats and ACORN:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/how_clos e_are_raines_and_obama.html

"He (Frank Raines) was accused of manipulating earnings statements so he could be paid bonuses to which he was not entitled.
In July, Mr. Raines was interviewed by Anita Huslin, a business reporter for the Washington Post."

larry22
like a typical phony Conservative who is a Republican you fastidiously maintain your ideological point of view.

Most of the sub-prime loans made were outside the government's regulatory framework. Private mortgage companies made, by far, the most sub-prime loans. They did so, because Wall Street could quickly package them up and sell them off, making a profit for everyone involved. Only banks that had FDIC insurance and are regulated by the government are subject to the Community Reinvestment Act.

How many loans was the insurance company AIG forced to give?

How many loans were Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs forced to give? Nil, they were outside the regulatory framework.

Are you telling me all those pesky credit card and home re-fi offers I got in the mail was because the government forced the companies to send them? I got dozens every week!!

Carter/Clinton Community Reinvestment
Leftist social engineering/social justice policies like the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) placed the banking mortgage and consumer credit industries in the peril we see today.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo125.html

Obama's ACORN increased the pressure on bankers to continue the bad practice of approving bad loans:

http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.com/2008/10/barack-obam a-acorn-and-community.html

In fact, democrats tried to, on one hand blame Republicans and Bush for the financial crisis and then sneak funds for ACORN in the original $700 billion bailout package until Republicans refused to vote for that bailout package:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2092686/posts

Obama/ACORN fingerprints were all over the mortgage and credit crisis:

http://mises.org/story/2963

"When the CRA was created during the Carter administration, the administration also funded with tax dollars numerous "community groups" that have helped the Fed, the Comptroller of the Currency, and other federal regulatory agencies to enforce the act. Under the CRA, if a bank wants to make virtually any change in its business operations — merging, opening up a new branch, getting into a new line of business — it must first prove to regulators that it has made "enough" loans to the government's preferred borrowers. The (partially) tax-funded "community groups" like ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) can file petitions with regulators that stop the bank's activities in their tracks, perhaps defeating them altogether. The banks routinely buy off ACORN and other "community groups" by giving them millions of dollars as well as promising to make even more dubious loans."

No Clear path to soluiton

We do know there appears to be no clear path or solution to solve the current economic crisis.

We also know who is responsible for the current economic crisis.

Liberals who pressured lending institutions to provide credit to people who could not pay back their loans.

larry22
For your spin to work, I would have to believe that the liberal, homosexual, Demoncrat from Massachusetts, that is both gay and liberal, has more power than the President of the United States of America.

Did you know that the Speaker of the House was a Republican from January, 1995 through January of just last year?

Did you know that the House Finance Chairman was a Republican from January, 1995 through January of just last year?

What's the point of being in the majority if, you don't exercise power?

Any attempts of Republican reform of Fannie and Freddie the past decade was about taking power from those two entities and giving it to Wall Street. Wall Street used an average leverage factor of 40 and Freddie and Fannie about five. It was all this over-leveraging that imploded the Financial markets.

You need to read a wider variety of sources.

Bush and McCain tried...
...democrats lied ... about Freddie Mac and Fannie May:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBRIsCkGQ0


JMO51
"You are so right. We need a proper balance between free market principles and proper regulation."

There is no such balance. If it is morally right to regulate the "free" market, then, ultimately, there will no end to such regulation. There should be no regulation of the market, only the laws we have on the books to prosecute criminals, whether they are in the market or in the slums. Government is entirely to blame for this economic crisis - a dramatic increase in spending under Bush, the burden of which had to come out of the market, driving it down. Nothing regulates government, but it has the real power to corrupt and destroy.

old tom
"Let's hope the left-wingers led by "The One" don't destroy us before.."

Has no one told you we are already destroyed.

Isn't the $750 Bush-Bolshevik bank bailout Socialism? The Republican party is very similar to the Bolshevik party in Russia circa 1917.

Russia was governed by a tri-umvirate of three men called Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trosky and Joseph Stalin.

Today, Republican-Bolsheviks are George Bush, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke.

And now the Republican wealth-redistribution continues. Today, I read that banks, having received their first $250 billion installment of taxpayer monies, are distributing it to their sacred stockholders in the form of dividend checks.

Another item on the banker's list on how to best use the taxpayer's money, is to partake in some lucrative Mergers and Acquisition activity. Oh, these Bush-Bolsheviks are clever in their wealth redistribution. Now, I'm beginning to think the term 'Bush-Fascists' is more apropos. What do you think?



risk management.
I like the idea that risk is the essence of life. But the other essence of life is to protect yourself. I hope the illuminati appointees can walk the line of capitalist economics and markets while making people feel at least reasonably secure.

Statism
What has been the record? Some think that the European countries who have "Democratic Socialism" are doing well and better than the USA. How well would they be doing had they not been defended by the USA all these years since 1945? How well would they be doing had they funded their defense as would have been necessary had not the USA provided that defense.
As far as coercive Utopia aare concerned, what has been their history? Only those who have modified their systems are doing fairly well-China, Vietnam. But Cuba and North Korea are not doing so well. The USSR fell, but now Putin is trying to go back to the old days with the Russian Confederation.
We (the USA and the civilized world) still live on a dangerous planet. Most in Europe and many in the USA do not seem to realize that.
Donald W. Bales
Donald W. Bales

JD's Handsome Son
"Date: Nov 29, 2008 - 11:00 AM EST Subject: Then and Now: Part 2
Now we're back. Thanks to a lack of parenting from '60s hippies, a school system that's really just a gulag of dare care centers to warehouse our ritlan drugged kids..."

That would be not the hippies fault but the conservatives fault. Families died because 2 or three jobs became necessary to maintain a family. You murdered the family not hippies

"...this country is multiple times dumber and more mininformed than we were...."

Hey! For once you are correct but again I will poiint out that when Ronnie Reagan became governor of California that state had the best school system in the country and the country had the best school system in the world. See any connection? You should.

"...No more stuff, no more money, it's all gone, you'll have to shave, cover your tattoos, pull out the metal in your face, and go to work. . . or starve. How delicious..."

Hmmm I guess you missed it? You may have to get that stuff who do you think is creating jobs? Tattoos? I think the majority have at least one

"...I'm ready. The M4s are charged and zeroed in. The magazines are full. Hurry, hurry!! "

LMAO you silly little guy you will probably last five minutes unless someone takes kindly to you and keeps you as a pet - pathetic (shaking head)

JD - Then and Now: Part 2
AMEN!
WE've been asleep or drug-burned way too long and the wolves have entered the farm.
Let's hope the left-wingers led by "The One" don't destroy us before they're beaten back to the nether world.
Sadly I have family, thankfuly not my direct descendents, much as you describe and I've long given up hope for them, drugs, bling and all.
If they are our future leaders we are surely in trouble.

Filtering Facts
It is unhealthy to rationalize away how Republican leadership fostered this economic mess. Wall Street has been self-destructing since the Panic of 1792. To believe that financial institutions are capable of self-regulation is naive and has no foundation in history.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did not encourage investment bankers to leverage their portfolios 35 to 1 without the capital to do so. Wall Street blew-up all by itself while the Fed and Republican regulators whistled in the dark.
This lack of oversight is the direct responsibility of George W. and the 109th -110th Republican Congress. Liberal voters know it, conservative voters know it; Republicans should not hope regain credibility until they stop deluding themselves.

JD's Handsome Son
"Date: Nov 29, 2008 - 11:00 AM EST Then and Now: Part 1
Why does Townhall naively attempt to limit me to a mere 2000 characters? Don't they know by now that I will not be silenced! It's such a nuisance to have to split my posts..."

There, there, poor spoiled and undisciplined JD's Handsome Son how nasty of those TH folks who want structured thought rather than rants. But you certainly did show those TH folks LOL

"...We are where we were in 1974 - 1976, after the war we didn't win,..."

But it did turnout to be a battle in the Cold War (which we won) rather than a whole war that if we lost we would be slaves forever... Guess those nasty moderates were correct after all

"...government mismanagement and an economy suffering from both. We were demoralized with our leaders and institutions,..."

That same old guns or butter thing again the Republicans thought they could have both especially if they cheated - hey the same thing just happened again and here we are

"...so we opted to drop out, "get back to nature", shun materialism, get real. Some saw an obscure peanut farmer as our salvation. He promised to cure us just like our contemporary Messiah. He said he'd never lie to us. That's all he had to say and we bought it..."

Nah Carter was a disaster but he was more like you fundamentalist conservatives than a Democrat LOL.

"Then our unemployment reached double digits, our prime rate went to 18% with home loans over 21%, and pisz ant Third World gangsters took our people and humiliated us. So much for Utopia."

Excuse me, you Hooverites already got us here. We were humiliated for nearly six years by Al Q and interest rates are low now because the homes are devaluing at a rapid rate as is our money. This is much, much more like 1932 little fella but if it makes you feel better... LMAO

Thank the Republicans
We have virtually eliminated defined benefit pensions. So, a huge number of those who are under 45 have no stable retirement. People in the earlier generation (those who retired over the past 10 years or so) were the last to benefit from these kinds of retirement options.

This will cause large numbers of elderly people to be poor during large 5 or 10 year windows. Unfortunately, many people over 60 cannot work the same way they worked at age 40.

Republicans like Larry Kudlow (who said this a day or two ago) that it is smart to hold on to those investments for 40 years miss an important fact. That is, if you are 50 years old how are you going to hold on to an investment for 40 years? You probably will not live another 40 years and will need the money in less than 20 years.

The large numbers of people without a steady retirement will demand higher taxes and stability for their retirement. All of this could have been avoided if companies received greater tax benefits with a defined benefit program (which actually can help manage retirement plans) as opposed to 401K based retirement (if you had an index fund, you would have earned 0% on your investments based upon the last 10 years).

It is bad for capitalism to have vast numbers of elderly poor people.

Pensions have existed for hundreds of years -- and actually are what a retirement program should be. 401K and IRA programs are a gamble even when you invest in index funds (there are multiple periods of time where for over 20 years the DOW went nowhere).

Why Unions and GM were wrong

This is exactly why the Unions and GM were wrong.

During the employee's working years, their pension funds and health and welfare funds should have been deposited into separate accounts not owned or controlled by GM or the Unions.

This way if the Employer goes into bankruptcy, the pension and health & welfare funds are separate and secure and not subject to bankruptcy laws.

The fact that this is not the case indicates the Union did not look out for the workers.

Then and Now: Part 2
Now we're back. Thanks to a lack of parenting from '60s hippies, a school system that's really just a gulag of dare care centers to warehouse our ritlan drugged kids, and a media that's morphed into Entertainment Tonight and Obama's unoffical 527 campaign organization, this country is multiple times dumber and more mininformed than we were. This time we opted for a Messiah.

Now we're printing money and passing it out so no one has to confront reality. This time we really think we are entitled to our own reality, because we're used to it with all our technology.

But eventually reality's going to intrude on us, rudely. I can't wait to see how this new generation of hip trendoids conducts themselves when they hear a word that no one has ever said to them with conviction: "No".

No more stuff, no more money, it's all gone, you'll have to shave, cover your tattoos, pull out the metal in your face, and go to work. . . or starve. How delicious.

That Walmart in California where the manager was crushed by holiday shoppers looking for bargains and who continued to shop while this guy gasped for breath reveals how tolerant, modern Americans are going to act when the cupboards are bare.

I'm ready. The M4s are charged and zeroed in. The magazines are full. Hurry, hurry!!

Then and Now: Part 1
Why does Townhall naively attempt to limit me to a mere 2000 characters? Don't they know by now that I will not be silenced! It's such a nuisance to have to split my posts.

Part 1:
Some of us more seasoned folks have been here before. We know the script. We know how the story ends.

We are where we were in 1974 - 1976, after the war we didn't win, government mismanagement and an economy suffering from both. We were demoralized with our leaders and institutions, so we opted to drop out, "get back to nature", shun materialism, get real. Some saw an obscure peanut farmer as our salvation. He promised to cure us just like our contemporary Messiah. He said he'd never lie to us. That's all he had to say and we bought it.

Then our unemployment reached double digits, our prime rate went to 18% with home loans over 21%, and pisz ant Third World gangsters took our people and humiliated us. So much for Utopia.


We Can't Correct It In Six Months, Folks
The truth is that the federal reserve is printing so much money that it will be impossible to pay it back and they're giving it to people who are going through it, even some partied with it, who are asking for more and more. So, the taxpayers are punished and losing jobs and homes and eating at food banks on Thanksgiving Day because the people at the top who were involved with ACORN who promoted the new deal of redistributing the wealth and giving fraudulent loans to the poor brought our country down and once it's on a avalanche and still sliding, people should wonder why did the government allow this to happen and never hold most those involved unaccountable who were involved and continue to remain in positions of power or filled their banks accounts during the years that they remained silent knowing that they had created the avalanch that would cause the collapse of America's financial market in the future? It's like trying to climb up Mt. Everest without any experience and being led by the inexperienced who keep saying "Yes, we can", and tell you to hang on but don't have enough rope to get most of the people back to the top because they're the taxpayers who are told that they'll have to pay back the redistribution money! This is called insanity.

RISK IS THE ESSENCE OF LIFE

.....Risk and life go hand in hand ...without risk life becomes a monotomous bore ...that's why horror and actions films are so popular ...

.....There will always be risk Barone ...people demand it ...I will go further ...they need it .....COLOSSUS

Nostradomas told me
that is the next door neighbor, Joe Nostradomas.
"We see things not as they are, but as we want them to be" The markets are correcting the self-interest of every living thing's instinct for survival. The results will be something no one can either explain or predict. No living god-man will be able to help us. The hatred for Lincoln, Clinton and Bush combined, while in office, will be transferred to the new president in less than six months.Let us hope that the dark side of our souls, that we all have in various degrees, does not manifest itself individually or collectively with the tragedy experienced and recored in the past.

Pistol & JD's Handsome Son
Stupid people like JM051 will never "get it". Their hatred of Bush blinds them and it appears destroyed their spelling ability too. You're right Bush appeared conservative, but was a One-Worlder wolf in sheep's clothing. You're wasting your breath and time on the JM051s of the country.

JM051
Oh, get off it. Bush et al were NOT CONSERVATIVES111 They were big govt collectivists. They managed to achieve a lose/lose situation for us conservatives. Bush ignored conservative principle and policy, giving conservatism a bad name to the superficial thinkers, while continuing left wing policies. No conservative here has any praise for Bush, your criticsms are irrelevant. Now Bush and McCain are supporting bailouts, thereby handing Obama the opportunity to blame Bush for the next 4 years as well as the last 8. Let's just see what the economy looks like this time next year, or what a dollar will buy? Double digit unemployment and inflation, just like Carter is my guess. Enjoy.

JD's Handsome Son of 8:52
Yeah, but can he cure herpes?

jerabaub
You are so right. We need a proper balance between free market principles and proper regulation.

It takes common sense not stick adherance to ideology. Risk is good and so are some reasonable safety nets. Industry needs regulation to protect it self from itself.


Jd's Handsome
Sarcasm aside.

Obama and the Dems are going to save our sorry buts from the mess left behind from 8 years of GWB and Republican dominance.

But as a true believer you will never give him the credit. Better to attribute it to a eclipse then to acknowledge that conservatives in chrage made a mess of everything in sight.

Wendy
Ever Heard of a credit default swap. Funny you would never know about these time bombs if you git your news from Townhall or Fox News. Credit default swaps were not created by freddy or fannie but by wall street firms and insurance companies like AIG. No one know how many were written because thanks to folks like Phil Gramme of TX they were unregualted.

This crisis has only one father, Free Market Economic Principles and who is going to have to pick up the tab, you and me and our government.

Where are all the smart CEO's who conservatives seem to worshop? Slinking and sliming out of sight as the reaponsibility for fixing this mess is left to government.

No More Risk
Risk? What risk?

We've elected our Divine King, our father. He is perfect, wise, and just. He is colossal, superhuman, omnipotent. He will protect all of us.

He will emerge victorious over all our challenges. His presence will make the earth yield prodigious crops, his reign will be an age of such perfect harmony as this old, corrupt world has never seen.

He is our Saviour, our Messiah! We bow before him with our arms outstretched, beseeching Him to bestow surplus government cheese, pay off our mortgages and student loans, protect the weak, cure the sick, cause the oceans to recede, and end war forever.

Praise be unto Him, our beloved leader.

Reducing Risk for Individuals
No not all risk can be eliminated and attempts to completely eliminate risk often do come at great possible consequences. But safety nets are important as long as they don't go too far. Far right Conservatives have always opposed safety nets.

So lets talk about risk. There is always the risk that my house will burn down, so I mitigate that risk by buying insurance. If the day of the fire I discover that my insurance company did not set aside money for my fire I have recourse. My insurance company had to put aside the reserves under my state's insurance regulations. So what protects me is not simply the insurance itself but also the regulations that are put into place to insure that the insurance company maintains a capacity to pay me.

Also I am not allowed to use insurance to speculate. I can buy insurance on my house, but not on your house because knowing you are a smoker I am betting that your house will burn.

These two fundamentals of insurance, necessary reserves and an insurance interest were both missing from Credit Defaults Swaps and they more than anything else are directly responsible for this financial crisis. Not lending to poor people. 94% of mortages are being paid on time. This crisis has one principal cause failure to properly regulate the mortgage industry and lets not forget that a lot of people on Wall Street made a lot of money in this sceme until the collapse and any undergraduate in financial could have guessed what was coming if not when.


Reality
It appears that the steps taken by Roosevelt/Hoover in the 30's did not become the solution it aspired to be. Hopefully, we will have learned something from history. All this bailout energy yet nothing has been done to stop the issue of bad loans. Stop the bailouts as I cannot think of anything the government has done (climate, economy, wildlife regulation et al) that worked successfully - certainly not better than to let the normal course of events take place.

Risk...
Risk is Risk, weather you understand the risk or not. Risk can never be eliminated or controlled by government. Often, government in regulation has an hidden agenda and thereby give citizens a false hope of security. Only because the citizens do not see the real risk of the hidden agenda.

For the very rich in this country. They knew the risk America had made as a nation. Moved much of the money abroad. Most Americans are still holding onto their stocks for retirements, dwindling to oblivion.

The government with an agenda of their own is most often not in best interest of the people. Only in best interest of government disguised as protection for the people.

Therefore, I preferr to embrace free market capitalism.

So I ask you, what happens when the USA Treasury is going bankrupt and not allowed to get printed money, what does government do next?

Controlling risk is more about protecting wealth then attaining wealth.

Obama's top
economic appointees are the hair of the dog that bit us. The best solution to upheavals we are experiencing is wrenching, but the sooner applied, the less the crash. The solution is govt butt out. Bailouts, so-called, solve exactly nothing, merely postpone grief now, for worse later. They are expensive and unfair. They reward failure and punish merit. As always, that which is rewarded increases, that which is punished will diminish. It is infuriating that the Republican CINOs elected to curb nanny govt debt and PC regulation joined the liberals in fiscal misfeasance. Obama and his supporters promise responsible fiscal policy, for a change, and Bush and Delay and that crew gave him plausibility. But now its pay now or pay more later. Unfunded entitlements will soon make deferment impossible, if not already. Social Security is no better off than a pension "guaranteed" by GM

NOT WORTH THE RISK
Common sense, reasoning and coming to logical conclusions are unfortunately no longer passed from one generation to another.
Americans have been tempted into 'gambling', totally forgetting the 'House' always wins, for the cards are stacked.
Unless it's tangible, paid for in full and you can hold it, or grow it, or make it, 'you only have what you have'. Even that, one needs to protect what one 'has' from those who risk stealing from you.
The majority of Americans have gambled our Country on 'hope', which is not tangible, cannot be held and 'NOT WORTH THE RISK'.


A cigar for Barone.
Barone does not lapse into the mythology of some faux rightwingers who hyperventilate into utter incoherence and apoplexy at the mere mention of the terms "government" and "regulation".

The pendulum can swing too radically in either direction...toward unregulated markets which inevitably lead to predation and exploitation, or to markets which are too controlled, characterized by excessive governmental intervention and regulation that stifle creativity and innovation.

"A capitalist economic system, which enables risk-taking through intelligently structured and regulated financial markets, has been proven by history to be, as Winston Churchill might have put it, the most risky system except for all those other economic systems ever devised".

I cannot improve upon that.

Risk?
... or another way of looking at the two examples is that the govt took 'affirmative action' one step too far into the Twilight Zone, and the UAW killed the goose that laid the golden egg.

That's Barak's Job
When a nation elects a messiah who comes complete with an office of the president-elect on Nov. 5th, then the members of that nation need not figure out how to manage risk. The comrade in chief got their backs (give yourself a knuckle punch like that one barak and michelle showed you when they 'won' the nomination). Thinking americans are on break until 1/21/20013 when thinking at the executive level of govt. resumes.

Statism is what is unstable
Nicole Gelinas is a hack for leftism in the financial profession, and you are an idiot for listening to anything she has to say.

What was dangerous and risky here was the government. The government forced an accounting method (FASB Rule 157) on hapless companies, thanks to the likes of lazy financial analysts like Gelinas who did not want to exert the mental effort required to understand the balance sheet on its own terms. This occured in November of last year. So far, a trillion dollars has been written down as a result, which means $10 trillion in lending capacity has already been destroyed, and counting. A market collapse and recession was inevitable. No market and no economy can survive the wiping out of $10 trillion dollars. No market ever has. And we have big government regulation to blame.

Next time, instead of "defending" capitalism as the lesser of all evils, maybe you should actually defend it as perfectly safe and effective, and point to statism as the problem.
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