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Saturday, July 19, 2008
Michael Barone :: Townhall.com Columnist
Ghosts of 1976 in Today's Campaign
by Michael Barone
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Looking back over the last 40 years, the presidential campaign that most closely resembles this year's is the contest between Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter in 1976. The Republicans were the incumbent presidential party that year, as they are now, but the Democrats had a big advantage in party identification -- on the order of 49 percent to 26 percent then, far more than today.

The Republican president who had been elected and re-elected in the last two campaigns, Richard Nixon, had dismal favorability ratings, far lower than George W. Bush's. His name could scarcely be mentioned at the Republican National Convention. The Democratic nominee was a little-known outsider, with an appeal that was based on the idea that he could transcend the nation's racial divisions. Jimmy Carter, a governor from the Deep South, had placed a portrait of Martin Luther King Jr. in the state Capitol in Atlanta.

Ford's political situation then was far more parlous than McCain's today. An early summer Gallup poll showed him trailing Carter by 62 percent to 29 percent. He had barely limped through the primary contests against Ronald Reagan, who continued his campaign up through the mid-August national convention. His political ads had been disastrous, and on Aug. 1 he did not have a general election media team in place.

Yet by November, the race was about even. Ford ended up losing by just 50 percent to 48 percent. A switch of 5,559 votes in Ohio and 3,687 in Hawaii -- 9,247 votes out of 81 million -- would have made Ford president for four more years.

How this came about is an interesting story, and one of obvious relevance to the McCain campaign this year. Much of it is told in a book two copies of which are currently available new and used on amazon.com, "We Almost Made It," by Malcolm MacDougall -- a professional advertising man, still active, who had played no significant role in presidential campaigns before 1976 and has not done so since.

MacDougall was brought into the Ford campaign on Aug. 7 (!) by Douglas Bailey and the late John Deardourff, whose political advertising firm then worked mostly for liberal Republicans. Bailey Deardourff produced the national advertising, while MacDougall, headquartered in New York, prepared the dozens of ads aimed at specific states and regions, all under the supervision of a former under secretary of commerce from Texas named James A. Baker III. They almost pulled off one of the biggest upsets in the history of American politics.

How did they do it? First, by filling in the blanks on Gerald Ford. Voters knew that he had pardoned Richard Nixon and that he tended to bump his head when exiting airplanes. The Ford ad team told them more -- how he had grown up in Middle America, played football for the University of Michigan (the name of the team was omitted in ads aired in Ohio) and served in the military in World War II. There's an assumption this year that voters know John McCain pretty well. But my sense is that there is still a lot of filling in the blanks that the McCain campaign can do.

Second, they filled in the blanks on Jimmy Carter. Most voters wanted to support a Democrat, and one who had smoothed over the nation's racial divisions -- as they do today. The press up through early summer was giving him mostly adulatory coverage. But voters didn't know much about Carter. He made, as most candidates do -- and as Obama seems to be doing now -- some mistakes along the way.

The Ford ad team honed in on his record, with man-on-the-street ads, some filmed on the streets of Atlanta. It was risky, going against the grain of public opinion. But the Ford campaign persisted, and it worked. The McCain campaign needs to take the same risk and to persist in the face of media disapproval.

Finally, the Ford campaign altered the mood of the nation. Voters then, as now, thought the nation was off on the wrong track. The Ford campaign, with a catchy song, "I'm Feeling Good About America," and upbeat ads starting off with shots of Air Force One, argued that their candidate was leading the nation around the corner, making Americans feel proud again. The McCain campaign needs to do something similar, to argue that their candidate can help the nation turn the corner and lead us into better times.

Exactly how they can do this I'm not sure. They might give Doug Bailey, Mal MacDougall or Jim Baker a call.

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GOP is a dead party - non existent
Barone writes " They might give Doug Bailey, Mal MacDougall or Jim Baker a call. "

Answer: These guys are a bunch of fossils. Jim Baker especially. Jim Baker (dig him out of the sand).

Barone you know that McCain and Obama are puppets to put America into a hyperinflationary depression. Your game is up Michael Barone. The Americans woke up and found out that the Republicans like the Democrats are paid to put the United States into a hyperinflationary depression (devaluing the currency to pay for govt. programs). The government run businesses will collect all the hard assets and leave America with toilet paper dollars.

Game over Barone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz347tn9yI4





Freedom is taken away DEM/GOP
You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2TiX-FOLKY&feature=related




Barone wants an AMERO
.......

Ghosts of the Weimar Republic
Jim Bunning confronts the fraudulent Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VV6ST1Pmk4&eurl=http://www. dailypaul.com/







No Billy Beer please

Mindful that one challenges a savvy critter such as Mr. Barone on any political science issue only with incredible self-confidence or out right chutzpah, I'll venture the following.

Then Gov. Carter was unlike Sen. Obama. He had his state executive experience and his back ground as a Naval Officer and Annapolis graduate made him appear to be a stable and qualified man.

Then President Ford had no real backing in the Party other than his succession to Nelson Rockefeller and was burdened with facts that do not attach and bedevil Sen. McCain.

The unique stagflation of the time had created a sense that President Ford was out of his element and the wretched handling of the Mayaguez, compounded the view of the President as a nice caretaker but not the man to handle anything beyond the next election. The pardon of President Nixon lingered over the election cycle like some miasma waiting to descend.

John McCain is not associated with the Iraq wars infirmities. He has no link to the crazed congressional spending and his opposition to elements of the Administrations world view has left him in the position of saying, I told you so within his own ranks. This is his greatest stockpile of goodwill with the middle of the road voter.

It is true Mr. Barone that the campaign needs to further make Sen. McCain known beyond his courage and resume.
It is also necessary that the McCain campaign paint, etch, chisel and silkscreen Sen. Obama without reserve and without fear of being called out as mean-spirited.

Now if only we can get Sen. Dole to moderate the Veep debate this year, then we really will get a glimpse at the time capsule.


Looks More Like Carter vs. Reagan
Obama is promising to raise taxes across the board, just like Carter did. McCain is actually discussing trying to balance the budget, just like Reagan.

And just like then, gasoline was putting the hurts on American society. Look up "Misery Index" to remind you, or inform you of it from a historical perspective. This time the problem isn't shortage, it's Congressional prohibition. This should be a landslide issue for the GOP, from border to border, shore to shore. America sees who is hindering us: Congress.





To Von Ryan
Thank you for being the first to make a coherent commentary on the Barone column.

Every week, Barone writes a decent to superior column. Every week the comments section gets infested with those who think political outcomes can be commanded into place.

Nice to make the aquaintance of one who can actually read and absorb a Barone essay. Please keep up the good work.


Third parties and independents this time
We seem to be bak to malaise times, but this timme Americans are fed up with both major parties and a third party candidate will change the outcome. Bob Barr starts out with polling close to double digits in some states. Although some Americans were angered by Ford giving Nixon a pardon, conservatives are angry at McCain for his betrayals and he is defined as a maverick. Obama like Carter is unqualified to be president and McCain like Ford is most like Ford in his being barely qualified except on defense matters. Barr has the most relevant wide raging experience from being a CIA officer in the 70s, a Reagan appointed federal prosecutor in the 80s, and a congressman for most of the 90s until 02. McCain was a military officer, POW, and then congressman and a senator for 30 years. What a country.

Third parties and independents this time
We seem to be back to malaise times, but this timme Americans are fed up with both major parties and a third party candidate will change the outcome. Bob Barr starts out with polling close to double digits in some states. Although some Americans were angered by Ford giving Nixon a pardon, conservatives are angry at McCain for his betrayals and he is defined as a maverick. Obama like Carter is unqualified to be president and McCain like Ford is most like Ford in his being barely qualified except on defense matters. Barr has the most relevant wide raging experience from being a CIA officer in the 70s, a Reagan appointed federal prosecutor in the 80s, and a congressman for most of the 90s until 02. McCain was a military officer, POW, and then congressman and a senator for 30 years. What a country.

Unqualified for high office
Senator Obama is barely two years out of the part-time Illinois State Senate and he's considered qualified for the most powerful office in the world?! What?! Say what you will about Senator John McCain, but he's a retired U.S. Navy Captain (ranking just below Admiral), was in the armed forces for 23 years, has been in Congress since Mr. Obama was smoking pot and doing cocaine in college and is a well-rounded adult! How is anyone in this country seriously thinking of entrusting all that power and responsibility on someone who has yet to DO ANYTHING?! Wake up! Yes, he is a smooth talker, but look a little deeper, and there's no "there" there. Vote for Senator John McCain!

third parties and Carter
... now is not the time for third paties, it will be impossible for them to win and it will be a repeat of 1992 when we saw Clinton propelled into office with only 42% of the vote.

In regards to Carter -- he to me was a stronger candidate if only because he had both military service and had run a state as govenor. Obama has little experience at all, and none as an administrator. We are going to be in a lot of trouble and pain if he wins. The Presidency is not a place for a novice messiah.


Yes, like 1976 we have a
liberal Republican running against an even more liberal Dem who, in addition, is an idiot and started out as an unknown.

In 1976 the Dems could have run a monkey and won. That is what happended. This year with McLame, the Dems could run just about anyone who had any draw from the common American and win by a large margin. Instead it is a virtual draw.

History does repeat itself.

The question is....
Did Ford throw is cho-chair under the bus for speaking the truth about the whiners of the day?

Arrogant Obama
Obama seems to think if the networks show him in front of adoring Europeans we will see him as presidential.

That's like playing a president on TV and saying you are qualified now to run the country.

McCain needs to pound the drum about our energy situation because it is the Democrats who are refusing, once again, to allow drilling on our own land. They say it won't help in the short term, and it won't, but if they had done this 20-30 years ago we wouldn't be in the predicament we're in now. The Democrats are the ones who are ruining our economy and they seem to be loving every minute of it, just as they loved every minute of bad news from Iraq and are staying silent on Iraq now that we have won.

Why the networks are treating the great imposter as though he actually were a head of state is beyond me.

Vic, Oi[atch, and VonRyan
Vic: see today's Robert Novak column. McCain never truly threw Gramm under the bus, Gramm knew that it was only a show for the public, and they are pals again.

Oilpatch: I agree with you on Barone. I rank him 3rd most interesting/well written after Krauthammer and Will.

Von Ryan: I agree with most of what you wrote, but do you really think that MCCain is not linked, at least in the public's mind, with Iraq? I think many will remember him as saying something like 'being there for 100 years,' when of course what he meant was that we will be fighting jihadist Islam for several generations, which is true.

have a pleasant weekend

Joseph
I suppose that is why Gramm is out on his ear today with tire tracks on his back.

Obama...
is playing it as if it's 1960, not 1976. To me, it looks like 1972. Or maybe '84. Or maybe '88. Kinda hard to distinguish one Dem loser from another.

impact of energy prices on election.
In 1976, price of a barrel of Saudi crude was about $12.76.

Today it is more than 10X that figure.

I did not see where that bit of information appeared in Barone's piece.

There is no doubt whatsoever that energy costs will be a huge factor in this election.

Will Americans blame Democrats for stalling and sabotaging efforts to increase supply thru domestic drilling, including anwr? Democrats also are associated with obstructing the building of nuclear plants, conventional refineries.

Or will they blame a Republican president who obsessed over Iraq for most of his presidency, neglecting to focus on the looming crisis developing on energy prices?

When Bush took office in 2001, price of a gallon of gasoline was around $1.50.

Now it is $4.00.

McCain should do more to distance himself from Bush, who is a big liability, and McCain needs to exploit the Democrat vulnerability on domestic drilling. He must change his position on anwr, and be even more supportive of drilling off our coasts.

We cannot drill ourselves out of this mess, but domestic drilling would help to lower prices...but it is no longterm solution.

It is beginning to look like we simply cannot continue on the present course of reliance on oil, with the gargantuan transfer of wealth from the United States and into unstable and hostile parts of the globe.

As we use the short-term benefit of domestic drilling to help keep prices from skyrocketing even worse, we need to develop technologies for a rational and nondisruptive transition from oil to either a combination of fossil(natural gas and perhaps clean burning coal) and non-fossil sources, for our transportation and electrical grid.

jerebaub
Is this more BDS? Bush tried to get more oil drilling done when the Republicans had the majority but was blocked by Dems with the help of RINOs like McLame who joined with the Dems.

McLame can not assail the Dems on this because he is just as culpable as they are.

Vic, Jerebaub,
Vic, you were right, my bad, i hadn't seen the news that Gramm had stepped down. But I'm still sure that they were, are, and will remain, friends.

Jerebaub, some nice tactical comments. re: energy: here in MA, in response to high gas prices, public transit ridership is up 5 percent, logan airport ridership down 5%, and there's a lot fewer cars on the road.

re: iraq, military situation obviously better, and i see in the news this morning that Prez is considering troop withdrawals which would take some of the sting out of obama argument, especially if it can be done as a late october surprise.

Von ryan,excellant
piece, on a par with Barone's. This will be an interesting week what with the obama circus touring the globe, there will be many a sideshow moment. I anticipate the debates, McCain will destroy this clown when he posits "what if" scenarios and obambi doesn't have his teleprompter to give him the answers.

He is already acting as if he is JFK re-incarnate, to ask to speak at the Brandenburg gate is the height of arrogance. The guy is being packaged and sold like a TV show, the truth is it's an old carter re-run and we all know how badly that turned out.

Vic
I am no fan of the Democrats. I already mentioned they have obstructed on domestic drilling, nuclear energy, building of refineries.

But Bush came to office in 2001.

And just this week, he summoned the intestinal fortitude or commonsense...some might say high gas prices gave him an opportunity to score crass political points...to rescind his dad's executive order banning domestic drilling on our continental shelf.

My argument is...where in the hell has he been for almost eight years?

Iraq.

His action on this executive order should have occurred in 2001.

I fully realize the Congress must also refuse to extend its ban, which it put into effect in the early 1980s.

Bush's action, by itself, is not enough

But Bush could have made it a priority.

And he didn't.

Joseph
It is reasonable to argue conditions in Iraq, and possible troop withdrawals, may take some of the sting from Obama's argument.

One could also argue that the Bush acceptance of a general timeline for the withdrawal of our forces(demanded by the Iraqis, by the way), buttresses Obama's position on withdrawing from Iraq.

I think Americans are at the point of having any withdrawal subject to conditions on the ground, which both candidates will come to support.

McCain already does support this. Obama soon will.

Americans don't like this war, or the decision to invade. But they won't favor any withdrawal that will make matters worse.


jerebaub
Unlike you I followed the congressional debate and alterations to the energy bill of 2005.

Bush did fight to get oil drilling in the runnup to the bill in 2005 and was blocked by a large percentage of the Dems and a smallpercentage of the Republicans. McLame was one of those Republicans.

His strategy at the time was to fight all things Republican and particularly Bush.

He has no room at all to talk on this subject.

Ford would have
won the election by a wide margin had he not pardoned Nixon. The voters really taught him a lesson and gave us four years of Jimmah, Rozelin, Amah, Billah and Miz Lillyun. What a bargain!

Okay, Let's Add Up McShame's Pluses
Someone please tick them off if possible but none should include anti-dem/lib/Obama themes. Its hard to get past one or two. Iraq is one of his liabilities; the surge hasn't changed that a whole lot with we little people. Obamamama is going on one theme, changing whatever it is in Washington. Of course that will not happpen but there are millions of sheeple that believe or want to believe. Switching more tax burdens to the richer will not do it. Within a year or two after such added taxes, the revenue will disappear and/or go more underground. Income producers are far smarter than politicians. One of Obamamama's more important themes is to change things in Washington and the people's opinion on that is to clean house. Confidence about Congress is single digit. McShame offers nothing on that.

Vic
I have no doubt Bush gave more consideration to domestic drilling than the Democrats or by other liberal Republicans(which is precisely what Bush is, by the way), but if he were serious, he could have resinded his dad's order back in 2005 when this issue you raised, occurred.

But he did it in 2008. If the issue were that important to him, why didn't he do it sooner?

I am not a fan of McCain, particularly.

I think he probably would veto huge spending bills which the Democrats are certain to send him.

And that is good.

Bush never vetoed anything of significance for seven years...oh, I forgot, he did veto govt funding of embryonic stem cell research.

I stand corrected. Cough.

My problem with McCain is over what I fear is a too close alignment with the neocons on this grotesque mindset to arrogate unto ourselves the right to remake the middle east in our image, and especially doing so by sacrificing our military and exhausting our treasury.

Barone
The Republicans seem to be living in the past again. The 76 election is about as relevant today as say the '44 election was to the '76 election! I know you're trying to rally the cons to get behind McCain, but nobody under 40 can even remember the '76 election. This is another
article for really old people. Just look at the discussion. Only desperate cons can realy think that following Gerald Fords strategy is a winner,
come on now.

One for the Text Books
We will see a bit of the '72 election this year. The '72 election was a landslide for the GOP. McGovern only took Massachusetts. It was the biggest lopsided victory to date.

That will change this year. The 2008 election will be historical. Obama will take all 50 states, including Utah and Arizona. It will be the most crushing defeat of a party ever and will be studied for years in political science courses and in the public punditry.

The conclusion will be this. If a political party is given an opportunity for greatness as the nation is attacked, and if that party totally mismanages and loses the ensuing war, wreaks the economy, fails at everything it touches, ignores the overwhelming demands of the electorate on major issues, and then fields a candidate who offends his supporters, panders to his political enemies, campaigns among groups that have certified they will vote against him 90% to 1%, then there is a high probability such misconduct and such a campaign strategy might, just might, be a loser.

We'll see.


A dream of mine...
...A Federal law that requires that a sign on all gas pumps in the nation that breaks down the price of a gallon of gas similar to the following:

1.How much of the price of a gallon goes to the oil company.

2.How much goes to local taxes.

3.How much to state taxes.

4.How much to Federal taxes.

5.Total price: ?

It would certainly inform the customer.












I listen to McCain But ?
Listening too John is quite Painful ! I look at him and say to myself "How in the World "was this old Fart Picked ?
The Media got their Man as did those North Eastern Rockfellow half Liberal RePublicans .
The Christian/Conservative 40 % got shafted !
This was a very smart move by the Media since they knew that a very experienced men ...... Silly Smooth very Intelligent like Rudy G , and Mitt Ronmey could whip Oboma in a serous debate on Welfare , War , Economics since
Their POLITICAL past made Oboma's look like a Grade School drop out .
Maybe Mc Cain will pick a Conservative for VP but I doubt it .
When he went too The NAACP CONVENTION and ""Praised Oboma "" he sounded like he was Supporting Him !
Blacks are not going to vote against their Brother ! Duh !
What McCain should have said Oboma is OK I GUESS BUT ''FORE ALL THOSE BLACK AMERICANS NOT ON WELFARE .SERVE IN THE MILITARY , PAY TAXES AND ARE FAMILY ORIENTED .
I AM YOUR MAN !
THEN CONSERVATIVES WOULD HAVE LIKE HIM A LITTLE ! maybe


JD's Hansome Son
First the Dems have to field a candidate. This election is more likely to give a different new record. The record for lowest turnout or the most votes for 3rd party.

Now that is a dream of mine. So many 3rd party candidates get votes that nobody is a clear winner.

Perhaps then the States will get together and hold a convention to elliminate the party system, or at least change the rediculous primary system that we have today and it's bastar*ized cousin, the campaign finance laws.

I know that the "parties" will never do this.

More than the 2nd Carter term!
This may also be the first Sharpton term. All we know about O'Vomit before he insinuated his way into IL state politics was that he was a "community organizer" (rabble rouser/fixer). In other words he was a smoother, well-educated and very well spoken version of Al Sharpton with the full might of the Crook County machine behind him.

His national policies mirror eerily the failed idiocies of Jimmy Carter. But he as a lot more charisma than Jimmy and brings with him a double-edged sword. He has a built-in base in the black community at home and all over the county. The problem is he also has a long history of associating with lunatics on the fringe like Rev. Wright and Fr. Pflager.

Like McCain he tends to throw his own supporters under the bus if they offend the opposition. The difference is that McCain's bus victims are actually helping him so the press cheers when one of them becomes a speed bump.

In closing can anyone tell me who is RUNNING this dolt in search of a coherent thought? Take away the prompter and he's shown to be as clueless as we all knew.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Carter II the sequel
While I disagree with the comparison - different times, different people, impossible to compare - I do agree Obama has a Carteresque feel about him, and certainly Carter is rooting for him, if for no other reason than to get off the list of America's worst President in the last 100 years.

Obama certainly is headed towards being the worst President in U.S. History. He's even more spineless than Carter, has no principles whatsoever, will say whatever is politically convenient at the time. Wow, I just described a 21st Century Jesse Jackson!

Nam 65, JDhandsome, wrightsrong
Nam,

No one would read those gas price signs you speak of, just like no one reads the warnings on cigarette packs anymore.

JD,

Its not going to be 50-0, but you are right, right now it doesn't look close, obama could win a lot of southern states with an almost unanimous black vote.

wrightsrong,

Barone is not living in the past, he is not trying to conduct a history lesson, and he is not trying to convince anyone, he knows only conservative 'members of the choir' read him.

he's just making an analogy. as in all analogies, part of the equation is similar, more is usually dissimilar. unless you think all history is irrelevant, in which case throw out the declaration of independence, the constitution, the Bible, etc.

Joseph
History is relevant, but only to those of us who remember. But the average Obama voter who the cons need to convince to vote otherwise thinks 1976 is really a long time ago.

Wratw
Sorry we just lived the last 8 years of worse than Jimmy Carter!
But I can see the beginnings oh "ODS" forming here at TH.

Try that in English
Say what? As an O'Vomit supporter might ask.

-Ray

You want some advice?
Get on the ENERGY train! The campaign slogan for McCain can be "It's the ENERGY, Stupid!" Yes, McCain has been duped by the Gorble Warming swindlers, but his reversal stance on OCS drilling and more nuclear energy plants being built, is a start.

Now, McCain needs to go to Alaska and have Governor Sarah Palin physically SHOW him the barren Coastal Plain that drilling is proposed on, have reporters ACTUALLY TAKE PICTURES OF THE BARREN LAND PROPOSED FOR DRILLING. Then after a day or two, he could give an "I've seen the light" speech, explaining that Governor Palin has assured him that drilling on that TINY piece of ANWR won't harm the environment, and now he's FOR DRILLING THERE. This will not only INCREASE his numbers, BUT just the PROPOSAL of drilling in ANWR will get more Conservatives behind his efforts.

The Democrats are WRONG on this, and the Republicans NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS THE WINNING ISSUE, SENATOR MCCAIN!! GET BEHIND IT!

Mom in Wisconsin

WratW
Are you making a subtly racist comment because I fat fingered an "h" instead of an "F"?

Just got the reference
To the mythical Obama Derangemelt Syndrome. There is a BDS and it's baseless. O'Vomit is a MENACE to libery, freedom, growth, prosperity, development et al. I only hope Bobby Jindal is ready in four years to ride in like Reagan and save us as he did from Carter.

-Ray

rightmindedmom is exactly correct.
The dems need to be exposed for the liars they are on drilling. JSM need to take the lead as Newt is doing on drilling while making his case for 100 new nuclear plants.
All this alternative fuel debate is so much "Jetson"s cartoon garbage. People are hurting badly and obama only decries the fact that we got to $5 gas "to soon", shows where that fools head is at..up algores butt.

This ain't rocket science, we know where the oil is, go drill for it....it belongs to US the people, it's time we demanded of these obstructionists in congress to drill OUR oil, keep it HERE for domestic use or go look for a real job.

I am sick to death of these lousy dem bums in congress, they do not have our interests or those of the country at heart on any issue. It's just grow this gov't ever bigger to control the rest of us because they are Soooo much smarter than we are. Throw the bums out in Nov. and put some statemen in there for a change.

We on these pages could do a better job any day than these fools have ever done.

JD's Handsome Son
I agree this election will be "one for the textbooks" - but I believe you are about 180 degrees out of phase.

Recent polls do not bode well for Barack Obama - his big bump after Hillary's "concession" has had a very short life-span.

In the end, when serious voters enter the booths on Nov. 4th, I just don't see them voting for a "minority", with a name that sounds Arabic, and with a resume that would fit on a postage stamp.

This election for Obama will be more reminiscent of Mondale's defeat to Reagan in '84.

PRIVATE PROPERTY = BASIS OF LIBERTY
Rightmindedmom's right. "It's the energy, stupid" could get McCain elected.
But Sam's right-minded Bastiat link reminded me I can't vote for evil, even the lesser evil of left-pandering, tax-raising McCain.
Barr devoted years to the evil drug war and voted for the greater government tentacles USAPATRIOT act.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
I'll be writing in Ron Paul.

Obama will win
Obama will win.

McCain was nominated as a trojan horse because he was popular with independents in a year when the Republican Brand is in the Toliet. (By the way Townhall commentators never talk about why the brand is in the toliet because to do so would be to acknowledge the conservative governance was a failure.)

But McCain to keep his base intack has had to lurch to the right. In doing so he has totally repubiated his own record in office. This has effectively cut him off from many of those independent voters who will likely migrate to Obama. On the top of that many conservatives still don't trust him. They also worry that he is a trojan horse, and in office will change once again into the old McCain.

As to all of this stuff about how scary Obama is. Totally made up. As to worse President, we have him in office now. Carter was much better than GWB, and Carter was no bargain.

Mr. Barone, why no admission of guilt?
If the Republican party had stayed with Ronald Reagan, all the blabbery by so-called conservatives, which they are really not, they would be bored to death, or so it seems like to me a staunch supporter of the man that I myself, rate as a second George Washington.

So, Mr. Barone points to Richard Nixon and in essence compares George W. to him, right? Yes, as to how each in essence, took the nation and the Republican party to nothing but to fighting for its very survival, right?

However, now the rhetoric by these conservatives is really mostly nothing but skinning, in this case Obama, with even lies while this great little God of theirs is none other than Mr. McCain who, as for myself a legal immigrant of 52+ years is nothing but refriend Mr. Hitler, who also thought that with his guns he could make his Germany a Paradise on earth. His speeches sound to me like the echo of that despot, while I had enough of George W, and his Cheney.

Yes, in my book God Almighty handed Ron Paul to the Republican Party free of charge, and yet berated to the lowest donominator by none other than a guy who divorced his wife and married his present chick only a month after. Yes, if McCain cannot stick with "until dearth do us party", if he had some self-respect he would just get lost instead to saying that this nation annointed he to be President.

WHAT "conservative" governance?
WHERE? On Mars? BOTH Bushes were blue blood RINOs and McCain is the same sort. The ONLY conservative we've had since Roosevelt the Greater (NOT FDR) was Reagan. He was HATED by the country club establishment AND the libs both.

Half the most influential "GOP" legislators in Foggy Bottom are also a herd of RINOs.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Lefties stuck in 1976, or in 1968?
Remember the heady old days when the radical Lefties took over every thing from Universities to Disneyland?

Remember when they held the nation hostage by rioting at the 1968 Democratic Convention?

Remember when you thought they went away, perhaps because they grew up, stopped smoking dope, and stopped being a living example of the phrase "you are what you smoke?"

Well, guess what?

THEY'RE BAAAA-AAAACK!

Yes, all those obnoxious radicals actually DID learn something during the '60s and'70s. They learned that people don't like you if you blow up banks and kidnap heiresses.

But somehow, that was the extent of their learning, perhaps because they were a bunch of spoiled rich kids, whose inherited wealthed cushioned them from the hard knocks of life.

Instead of shaping up, they went just under the surface, subtly taking over the universities, this time as department chairs. Then they became politicians, lawyers, teachers, Hollywood producers, newspaper editors, and insinuated themselves into any possible position of power, and elbowed out anyone who didn't agree with their anti-American brand of politics.

Now, with their golden boy Obama, the radicals think it is safe to emerge from their hiding places, like roaches when the lights go out.

I am hoping that there are sufficient normal people remaining, who have not been brainwashed by the concerted efforts of the radicals, who will stave of this stealthy national power grab, and keep them at bay for another 40 years... or at least until after I am gone.

Hopefully, by then, they will be gone too.

One very big flaw in Barone's reasoning
There is one major flaw in Barone’s assessment: Gerald Ford was a genuinely likable guy. Everyone loved Gerald Ford. Even today. And he was a reliably loyal Republican. McCain, in contrast, is cranky, arrogant and misses no opportunity to torpedo his own party. He is detested by conservatives like myself who would NEVER vote for such a Trojan Horse Democrrat, particularly one whose signature legislation all represent landmark breakthroughs for liberals and co-authored by the most liberal of Democrats like Kennedy, Feingold, Leiberman etc… McCain is only similar to Ford in that neither were/are particularly bright.

Ranger29
"In 76 jobs were not flowing overseas...today they are...in 76 businesses were not chopping wages and benies and jobs all at the same time...today they are."
*********************************************

Oh yeah? Where have you been?

In 1979, my union went on strike over the issue that was then called "runaway production," where jobs were being sent to Korea, to Spain, and to the Phillippines.

Since I belong to a toothless union, we had no thugs like the Teamsters to crack heads if we didn't get our way.

This has been an issue for decades, but the advent of technological advances that permits desk jockeys to lose their jobs too has finally brought attention to the plight of the rest of us.

Now, there is no one who can say "that will never effect me," from the service department to the gal who takes your order at the drive through.

Factor in the Bradley effect
How do the polls look, then? I think the Dems chose a proven loser in the platform they advocate. We know anti war loses, tax raising loses, and we have voted against national health insurance since 1948. A smooth talking huckster from Chicago will not change that.

Mountain Rose
Here in Pasadena, our local newspaper, The Pasadena Star, has outsourced the reporting on city council meetings to India. Seriously.

More about Lefties resurfacing
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the movie theater, Steven Spielberg is making a movie about the Trial of the Chicago 7, based on a play by Aaron Sorkin, which will star Sacha Baron Cohen as Abbey Hoffman.

After the disappointing film Spielberg made about the terrorists that murdered the Israeli Olympic athletes, that was sympathetic to the terrorists, it is hard to believe that Spielberg could get more brainwashed by the radical Left, but here it is.

Although the film may be a comedy, I am afraid that, given Spielberg's Leftie friends, the film will be an unwatchable love letter to the '60s radical Left.

Beg to Differ JMO51
"As to all of this stuff about how scary Obama is. Totally made up. As to worse President, we have him in office now. Carter was much better than GWB, and Carter was no bargain."

Not even close! Totally wrong! We had a Misery Index back in Carter's days. We needed it to tell us how miserable the American people were. GW looks brilliant next to Carter! Our economy is stronger than back then, our unemployment is much lower than then, our interest rates are nearly half of what they were then, and we had no pride back then, Iran was punking us around. Just like Iran will punk Obama around, and just like Carter, Obama thinks he can explain it to them how he just wants to be their friend.



Pasadena Phil
Hey, I thought you all in Pasadena were all wealthy! Don't tell me your local rag can't afford a local reporter?

How does the reporter in India listen in on the meetings? Teleconferencing?

I would be seriously interested in checking out the grammer in those articles.

Warning: (I'm NOT Paranoid Either)
Regardless, I highly urge everyone to do a shutdown.

Then immediately, without delay, go to the nearest gun store and get an assault weapon. Get 12 30 rd. magazines and a good tactical sling. Get ammunition, an eight year's supply.

Do this before the election. Don't be seduced by the win in DC vs. Heller. It's irrelevant now. Listen to what the Left is saying and doing.

The Brady Bunch is on record as saying that it intends to secure gun control by steps once we have a socialist executive, then legislative, then judicial branch. The government will have all the new expanded spy laws. (Did anyone wonder why the new laws passed without a whimper from Pelosi and the others? Those powers don't look so unconstitutional now that they'll be in charge.)

The DC government ignores the case. The Left always disregards any laws they don't like. The Right dutifully obeys the laws written by their opponents. They're "law abidding".

Think "conservative" elected officials will help or fight for us? Really? You delude yourselves. Think about how they've acted since 2001. Observe many of them now campaigning with Obama and declaring their "independence" from the GOP. They are all Scott McClellans: soft, pudgy dough boys breast fed by their mothers until they were 12.

So, protect yourselves. Don't let them put you in a camp for eco crimes where you'll be standing on podiums engaging in public self criticism.


For those of you who don't remember
Richard Nixon was a far better president than G.W. Bush. As likable as Gerald Ford was, he could not overcome the country's distaste for Republican deceit personified by Richard Nixon. And, Ford was a far better president of the people than Bush.

Given the distaste and disdain most of the country has for Bush, McCain has absolutely no chance. He is running on Bush's record and as a place holder for the party while Republicans regroup and redefine themselves.

Also, if a third party candidate ran, McCain would come in 3rd.

Hey, it's not important...
It's only a presidential election. Put anyone in there as long as it looks like "change" and "hope." That appears to be a prevailing attitude with the dummies who're too damned busy doing nothing.
Fred from TX writes;"How is anyone in this country seriously thinking of entrusting all that power and responsibility on someone who has yet to DO ANYTHING?!"

Fred, you make a good point. But, the operative words are "seriously thinking." Most of Obama's devotees wouldn't know a serious thought if it hit them between their eyes!
Let's really be serious...We have one heck of a great country, it has its ups and downs. But, it's still the most exceptional nation in this world. For any one person or a major political party, such as the Democrats, to push for an empty suit like Obama to lead this nation is the most irresponsible deed any party has endorsed in my lifetime. But, the Democrats are on to their far-left voter base and that answers Fred's question. These people think their mission will be accomplished if and when they gain total power. Where they go after that has already been displayed by the dysfunctional Democrat majority Congress. Their horrible 9% approval rating makes George Bush look like George Washington.
It is precisely because the voting class of Democrats don't think seriously that could hurt this country. It's of no significance to them that this charlatan, Obama, is acting out his dream. He doesn't even realize he's been in over his head as a US Senator. So much for Chicago machine politics!

Hey, it's not important...
It's only a presidential election. Put anyone in there as long as it looks like "change" and "hope." That appears to be a prevailing attitude with the dummies who're too damned busy doing nothing.
Fred from TX writes;"How is anyone in this country seriously thinking of entrusting all that power and responsibility on someone who has yet to DO ANYTHING?!"

Fred, you make a good point. But, the operative words are "seriously thinking." Most of Obama's devotees wouldn't know a serious thought if it hit them between their eyes!
Let's really be serious...We have one heck of a great country, it has its ups and downs. But, it's still the most exceptional nation in this world. For any one person or a major political party, such as the Democrats, to push for an empty suit like Obama to lead this nation is the most irresponsible deed any party has endorsed in my lifetime. But, the Democrats are on to their far-left voter base and that answers Fred's question. These people think their mission will be accomplished if and when they gain total power. Where they go after that has already been displayed by the dysfunctional Democrat majority Congress. Their horrible 9% approval rating makes George Bush look like George Washington.
It is precisely because the voting class of Democrats don't think seriously that could hurt this country. It's of no significance to them that this charlatan, Obama, is acting out his dream. He doesn't even realize he's been in over his head as a US Senator. So much for Chicago machine politics!

Alexander Hamilton Federalist Paper #28
Alexander Hamilton writes: "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. "

Our conservative and liberal MSM media and Federal Government no longer represent the American people.

He's not conservative enough?
For those citizens who proclaim that McCain is not conservative enough, therefore they imply they won't bother voting, why not apply a little pragmatism to your steel-like principles? I do know how you feel, I've been let down because I don't see a Conservative candidate on the present political horizon.
But....Then I look at Obama, I have evaluated him. He's a fate this country doesn't deserve.
So, even though McCain is far from my model Conservative, placing his experience, voting record in Congress,and his strong backbone next to the blank sheet on Obama steers me to the alternative that is John McCain.
We know what we'll get with McCain, true he's "crossed the aisle" on many occasions. He's partnered on plenty of legislation. Obama,if and when he's voted, goes straight Harry Reid agenda. McCain has the known ability to get along with Democrats in Washington. That counts for plenty when we know there'll be a Democrat majority in Congress. But, he'd be there to veto also, and the Dems will want to spend more than George Bush allowed. They'll need restraining.
Staying home, not voting, is no service to this nation. No vote for McCain is a vote for Obama. If any one's conscience is clear on that fact, I hope I never read your future complaints on Town Hall.

wrightsrong52
""The Republicans seem to be living in the past again. The 76 election is about as relevant today as say the '44 election was to the '76 election! I know you're trying to rally the cons to get behind McCain, but nobody under 40 can even remember the '76 election.""

Talk about toeing the party line!

In otherwords, we need to disregfard anything that's happened in the past, and only concentraqte on how the new messiah is going to "Heal the World" right? It's obvious that most of the voters on the dem side have already embraced this philosophy. Obama hasn't put forth an original idea yet, he's just repeating the same failed socialist agenda put forth by democrats since the 1900s.

When a presidential candidate tells me he's going to take things away from me for "the greater good", I see just another socialist/fascist/communist, who must be defeated. Forget all about the failures of the past, then we can repeat them again.

Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it.

Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we Can!

John McCain is a Benedict Arnold
John McCain's military service doesn't mean squat...

John McCain is being told by the world elites to RUN DOWN THE LA RAZA AGENDA THROUGH THE AMERICANS.

Additional Benedict Arnolds to this country - Supporters of the 100 million man illegal immigration & 100 yrs war - Support John McCain.

1) Rush Limbaugh
2) Sean Hannity
3) Laura Ingraham
4) All MSM conservative talk show hosts affilited with Clear Channel Communications



Voters often are very superficial
when making their choice. Knowing this, Obama's campaign planned the trip to the middle east in order to look presidential. Video is just in showing Obama in Aphganistan talking to civilian and military leaders. Except for the military, all are dressed casually. This does not make him look presidential for without the suit he is rather slight and sloop shoulder sitting along side of rather robust looking men. He is not talking but mostly just nodding. Not very impressive!!!

Sam
""John McCain is a Benedict Arnold
John McCain's military service doesn't mean squat... ""

I'm far from a cheerleader for McCain, in fact, he wasn't even my 3rd choice. But to throw the whole country in the trash heap but allowing the empty suit from chicago to win in november, it repulsive to me.

What is more important to you Sam? Are you more concerned with finding the "Perfect Conservative", or do you want to prevent the demise of the USA?

I disagree with Mccain about 30% of the time, but I disagree with Obama 100% of the time!

Now you may call me silly names but I'll take that 70% over 0% every time.

I keep hearing "conservatives" carp constantly about how they won't vote for McCain, and plan to stay home, or vote for donald duck. Well if your' conservative sensibilities are more important to you than the future of your country, I don't want to hear one whiny word from you when Barack the Magic Fascist begins his reign.

Let's face it sam, if Ronald Reagan was running this year, HE wouldn't be conservative enough for you either.

Myself, I plan to don an industrial strength clothespin in november and vote for the guy I agree with 70% of the time.

JD's Handsome son. You may have a point.
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We have a dichotomy
My previous post was meant for Sam in GA.

Pretty funny, we have Sam in PA who has common sense, and Sam in GA who is willing to see America destroyed so he doesn't offend his pure conservative sensibilities.
Who is conservative enough for you sam in GA?
Just curious.

NObama '08
Seig Heil is now "Yes We Can!".

Americans tired of bandaids to govt.
Ronald Reagan really wasn't a conservative. He talked lik a conservative however when you look at his track record it was horrific just like like Carter, Clinton, Bush I, Bush II, etc.

The last great president that came closest to the founding fathers was John F. Kennedy.

John F. Kennedy wanted the the federal debt & the federal reserve abolished through Executive Order 11110. Ironic how John F. Kennedy was assasinated 5 months later.

Executive order 11110

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/04/357989.shtml

John McCain is the same as Obama. It is the same as voting for King George except that King George had a brain.






McCain and Obama - King NWO George III
.......

It is that bad that we have these lame people that will run this country.

IT IS EVEN MORE LAME THAT AMERICANS ARE SUCKERS FOR EITHER ONE OF THESE CANDIDATES......




Re: Jackpine
There appears to be two people on this thread with the name of "Sam." I don't know which you referred to in your comments about Conservatism and candidates not being conservative enough for a writer named "Sam." I'm the "Sam" from PA, but anyway I'll respond in case your remarks were meant for me. I've certainly declared myself as a Conservative, I've commented that John McCain is not a Conservative. I've also commented that choosing not to vote for McCain because he's not a Conservative ends up as a vote for Obama.
I can live with the idea of McCain, I can't begin to justify an Obama for President.
McCain, though not my idea of a Conservsative has enough redeeming aspects to get my vote. Obama: Not a chance! If you've read my two other pieces on this thread, you'd have to know that in any event, I'm on the Republican bandwagon because McCain, despite any shortcomings I perceive, has far more qualifications than Obama. I just wanted to clear up any misapprehensions on your part.

Kennedy was Conservative?
""Ronald Reagan really wasn't a conservative. He talked lik a conservative however when you look at his track record it was horrific just like like Carter, Clinton, Bush I, Bush II, etc. The last great president that came closest to the founding fathers was John F. Kennedy. ""


Kennedy was an anti-communist, and believed lower taxes meant a robust economy. Otherwise Kennedy's "Conservative credentials" are sorely lacking. When he was assasinated, the dems were screaming that it was "Hate" (read conservatism) that killed Kennedy. They were very disappointed when they discovered he was shot by a soviet "Useful Idiot". Remember sam, the Great Society was foisted on the US by LBJ, using kennedy's ghost, a true Conservative wouldn't have had a socialist as his VP.

Ok Sam, pray tell enlighten us, who is the Candidate you see right now who IS conservative enough for you? And sorry, but Atilla the hun isn't running this year.

Pres. Barack O'Sharpton!!
THIS is who they want to elect!!! O'Vomit is nothing but a classier tuned up Fat Al Sharpton and you know it! What do you THINK a "community organizer" is? A shakedown artist/fixer/hustler and that what either one really is. However in the case of Baroque Insane O'Vomit we will also get the second Carter term.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Re: Jackpine
Things move pretty fast on this forum! No sooner than I finish a reply to you, do you address/clarify your remarks about a guy in GA using the name "Sam." Well, anyway, now I know to whom you had addressed a reply. I really didn't need to further clarify where I stand in the political spectrum. It was redundant.
As for the name used, I'm the original, Conservative, Sam, since I became a Republican for Barry Goldwater. That chap in GA could be "Son of Sam," as far as I'm concerned, thankfully we have big differences. Odd that he's a left-winger in GA (maybe he's from Atlanta) and I'm a right-winger in a town (Phila) with a 4:1 Democrat voter registration. This is what makes politics interesting and surprising, nes pas?

Read executive order 11110
Jackpine Savage:

Do you know what dollar devaluation is? Do you know what fractional reserve banking is? Do you know what emitting bills of credit through a debt based currency is?

John F. Kennedy's Executive order 11110 in a nutshell: "[the full text is displayed
further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury.""

That means the government is issuing money which is similar to our Constitution Article I, Section 10 of the United States Constitution.

Read: "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;"

Jackpine Savage spouts phrases and quotes from Fox News. Jackpine Savage is your typical dumb american with a 6 pack of beer in his hand while having illegal aliens cut is front lawn.



Sam in PA
You may have noticed my post "We have a dichotomy", where I addressed the "2 Sams" problem :o)

I agree with you that Mccain wasn't my 1st,2nd, or even 3rd choice for GOP candidate, but in the words of Stephen Stills "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with."

For a while I was in the "anyone but McCain camp, but I got over my temper tantrum, and realized that compared to "Obama the Messiah" McCain is the Far superior candidate.

I wouldn't confuse you with the usurper who took your name in GA. You have common sense, He thinks Kennedy was the conservative Model.

Sounds to me like our friend in georgia is just another Poser pretending to be conservative while working for Moron.ugh as a paid troll.

Good day to you sir. :o)

NObama '08
Seig Heil is now "Yes We Can!".

Jackpine Savage
Get off you beer and answer the questions. Are you intelligent enough to answer the question. I will make it easy for you. I will put this in numerical format.

1) Do you know what dollar devaluation is?

2)Do you know what fractional reserve banking is?

3)Do you know what emitting bills of credit through a debt based currency is?

4) Ever heard of the 1792 Coinage act and the gold / silver ratio of 1:15 based on weight and purity.

John F. Kennedy understood this and signed an executive order to abolish the Fed. Reserve by having the Treasury produce hard currency in circulation. That seems very close to what the Founding Fathers believed in (John Adams, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson).

Also why he probably got a bullet in his head too.


I'm still hoping that
at the Dimo convention, the delegates will pass over Hussein and Hellery and nominate someone who is more conservative and not a total socialist/communist.
I'm also hoping that the Republicans will nominate a true conservative.
This way, we would have somebody for which we could happily vote.

Nam 65-66 #35: Figure that 45% of the price is taxes.

Blacks should not vote for Hussein. He doesn't have any slave blood: His mother is descended from slave owners, and his father is descended from slave traders.

We must put a large conservative majority in the House and the Senate, to stop Hussein or McCain from doing anything.

Some people say that, after 4 years of Hussein we will vote for Republicans. but that won't happen. After Hussein turns the country over to the Islamo-fascist-terreorist murderers, there won't be a country left.

Fred
Obama is a Washington Outsider. If he were a Rebublican lets say a business man you would call that a strength.

Brickhouse
Obama has promised to cut the taxes of middle imcome Americans. Can you imagine where we would be today if Ronald Reagan had continued the conservation and alternative energy projects begun in the Carter Administration. As soon as oil prices began to fall Reagan did nothing. How typical of Conservatives to not plan for the future, that would be progressive. That might call for sacrifice which as you know Conservatives only believe is the providence of others.


About JFK....
GA Sam may have a point in a convoluted way....
John Kennedy, compared to the leftists running the present Democrat Party was Conservative (note: in comparison), was a patriot, didn't blame America for the world's problems,and did stand firm against Communism. He even took on the crooked labor unions through brother Bobby. Now, today,that kind of Democrat calls himself a Republican, while many Democrats are Marxists without realizing it. If Kennedy was suddenly alive today, he'd never know the present Democrat Party. Let's face it, men like Lieberman, Nunn, Scoop Jackson,O'Neill,Miller,Stephenson, wouldn't or don't fit in what is today's Democrat Party. Consider how many able and current US Senators (Dem.)have recently politely backed away from serving as possible VP on Obama's ticket. They know he's unqualified and also Marxist!

Sam in GA
""Get off you beer and answer the questions. Are you intelligent enough to answer the question. I will make it easy for you. I will put this in numerical format.""

OK now I know you're just another paid troll.

Just because I don't share your "wisdom", you automatically call me names and think I'm some inbred, beer swilling, white-bread redneck. Right?

Just to set your mind at ease, I 1) choose not to drink, 2)only watch fox news occasionally,3) cut my own grass, using an American made lawnmower, 4) I'm also Not White.

As to my knowledge of macroeconomics, I admit I only have slightly more than a layman's knowledge, but if you'd actually taken the time to READ my post to you, you'd see your entire rebuttal is moot.

I said Kennedy held conservative economic views, and was anti-communist. The latter is why he had his noggin ventilated, not because of some obscure economic policy.

In case you're not intelligent enough to have noticed, Oswald was a COMMIE, not an economist.

did the lobotomy hurt much?

JMO51
""Obama is a Washington Outsider. If he were a Rebublican lets say a business man you would call that a strength""

Here's where your argument falls flat on it's face JMO51.

If Obama had at least spent some time in the private sector, he would have at least a miniscule amount of qualification. But, he has never even run a lemonade stand.

Does 8 years working as a "community Organizer" driving little old ladies to the polls and telling them which lever to pull qualify hin to be president? How about his totally unimpressive tenure in the IL state senate where he proudly shows off his gold star for attendence? Or maybe his absolutely average record in the US senate for 1/2 term warming his seat and voting Present?

Oh wait, Now I get it, that stuff is Irrelevent because he is promising the most Free Stuff right?

Besides how can a Sitting Senator be a "Washington Outsider"????? I suppose Hillary was an Outsider too, right?




NObama '08
Seig Heil is now "Yes We Can!".

Paid in what???
I hate the democrats. I hate Obama and just like McCain he will send us into a hyperinflationary depression which is a 100% guaranatee.

Obama and McCain will make all the wrong moves.

1) they will inflate the mess we are in

2) they will use the federal reserve to fractionally lend out new issuance of money to cover the default not only for the banks, but the entitlements that are coming up for the baby boomers.

3) the world elites want a hyperinflationary depression. They want to bring in world govt. through amnesty or inflation - both.

4) The only way to get world govt in the United States is to create a hyperinflationary depression triggered from the congress and use the fed. reserve as its tool to bring about that.

That is why John F. Kennedy was shot. That is why Ron Paul was depicted as a loon. It is called world government and it is coming to the United States through amnesty and dollar devaluation.

If you don't understand who controls the issuance of currency, you can't understand the driving mechanism of outsourcing, illegal immigrants, etc. Democrats and Republicans would be just happy to let Obama or McCain be the new dictator and let the ruling class of the world dictate United States policy. They do that through the issuance of our currency now.

How many more bullets after John F. Kennedy figured it out?





ex-Wyomingite
Whomsoever Mr/Mrs.Ignorant you are, I am a full blooded German who thought great thinks about God Hitler at first, hence my "authority" to speak truth, about McCain as a refried Mr.Hitler + plus a philanderer, while married to his wife.

Yes, Ron Paul may not have been as "holy" in the past as one would have like to, neither was Saul at one point in Biblical times! Neither was Ronald Reagan when at first he was a Democrat in love with unions, etc. Yes, Ronald Reagan took down the Soviets with the prescription left by the Founding Fahers, especially by George Washington.

James Madison said this: "Of all enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known intrument for bringing the many under the domination of the few".

Thomas Jeferson said this: "The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale".

So, who presented the better solution, but Ron Paul. Yes the American people as ignorant maybe as you have made their choice, so did the Germans at one point in time!








Sam in GA
""That is why Ron Paul was depicted as a loon.""


You could have saved everyone a lot of trouble by just coming out and saying you were a PaulBot.

Then just like Bill Engvall's "Idiot Signs" the intelligent people here would have known ahead of time that any attempt at reasonable discourse with you would be a study in futility.

In case you hadn't noticed, Paul had his chance, and the American people said No Thanks.

Actually I thought Paul had some decent ideas domestically, but pulling all our troops home and cowering behind our borders waiting for another attack was just ludicris.

By the way, how did the "No foreign entanglements" thing go for kennedy? Oh yeah, I remember, Bay of pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam........

I agree with Sam in Ga.
I have to agree with Sam in Ga. about the fact that JFK wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve and make our money tied to Silver and Gold.

About a week ago in our paper an individual wrote in, and Yes I will try to paraphrase what he wrote: in 1964 and before, a gallon of gas cost about 3 silver dimes. Today those same silver dimes (valued by coin dealers at $1.32) would still by a gallon of gas. I agree since our family's parents saved many silver coins, 1964 and earlier. But now the Fed reserve is printing what we know as paper backed by zip.
And no, we are not selling our silver coins until the conditions totally deteriorate with the U.S. money supply.

My suggestion, if you have any gold or silver coins, save them, they might just be what you need to buy things in the future. Neither candidate has addressed this critical issue about our monetary weakness.

HD
""Whomsoever Mr/Mrs.Ignorant you are, I am a full blooded German who thought great thinks about God Hitler at first, hence my "authority" to speak truth, about McCain as a refried Mr.Hitler + plus a philanderer, while married to his wife.""


Exactly what drugs have you been taking today?

You have Barack "Seig Heil" Obama staring you in the face, and you equate McCain with HITLER???

You paulbots sure are some sore losers.

In case you didn't get it during the primaries, America isn't buying Crazy. Seems some of the populace is in the market for "Stupid" (yes We Can!), but not Crazy.

McCain wasn't my 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd choice, but you better believe I'm gonna work my tail off to make sure he wins and the new Messiah doesn't.

Of course, you can keep true to your isolationist ideology, and help obama usurp the white house, it's your right. Just remember I have the right to call you a loser when you help obama win, then you start whining.

One World Government? Under King Obama they'll be screaming Yes We Can, as he wipes his butt with the constitution.



Jackpine Savage
This is the typical brainless phony conservative who will not know it was your own government that instituted hyperinflation and illegal immigration. Ron Paul, Jerome Corsi, and Paul Craig Roberts had talked about this situation a while back.

Jackpine savage is perfectly willing to throw the country away by voting for McCain who will inevitably bring 100 million illegal immigrants in my country. It is people like Jackpine Savage who are responsible for the demise of this country. Jackpine Savage is guilty as McCain for ruining this country by casting a vote for this "BENEDICT ARNOLD II".

Jackpine Savage is the typical voter who will sit and talk about government getting out of peoples lives. However Jackpine Savage will go out and vote for McCain (by listening to Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham) who will institute CAP & TRADE, toll road regulations (i.e. Trans-Texas Corridor, 100 million illegals, etc to fund the North American Union.

Jackpine Savage can talk about Ron Paul, but I will not be responsible for the demise of my country.

Who is the loon Jackpine Savage? Is it the person who votes for John McCain for putting us in world government or Ron Paul who has been 100% right about our economy, illegals, constitution, North American Union, etc.?

You tell me...




SVARA in TX
Be informed that while it was FDR who made ownership of gold illegal, it was JFK that extended the crime to cover deposits in foreign countries.

And it was under JFK (move completed under LBJ) that the decision was made to remove the silver content from US coins.

Whatever else he was, John Kennedy was not a hard money man. Quite the contrary.

Our fraudulent govt - economy
You Tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmlcQj4JXtQ&feature=related



sammy the Paulbot
""Who is the loon Jackpine Savage? Is it the person who votes for John McCain for putting us in world government or Ron Paul who has been 100% right about our economy, illegals, constitution, North American Union, etc.?
You tell me...""

I'm sure glad you Know All About me sam.
You idiot.

Because I don't want to follow your "Annointed One", I'm suddenly all for destroying the nation??? You know diddly squat about me, but I know all I need to know about you. You're willing to turn our country into a 3rd world nation, hiding behind it's own borders waiting for the next attack.

You're willing to let the empty suit from chicago wipe his hiney with the constitution and bring on the True one world order under the UN, while you preen and say "Don't blame me I voted for Ron Paul"

Let's see, since the percentage of actual brain-dead people wandering the streets of the country are in single digits, it means that your Lord and Master the great Ron Paul (hallowed by thy name) will garner approximately 5% of the vote if he's lucky.

it wasn't some media conspiracy sam, Paul lost because he's a freaking fruit loop.

I was a Fred-Head, then a Romney supporter, I was able to get over the fact that my guy didn't win. I decided that the future of my country was more important than pitching a Hissy Fit.

Obviously you're still having your little fit. Hopefully you'll wake up and vote to re-defeat communism, or not. your choice, but I'm all done arguing with you.

I'd rather go do something more fun, like bang my head on a wall, it'll get just as much accomplished.

You're no better than the brain-dead sheep chanting "Yes We Can!", Do you feel a chill run up your leg as the chinless wonder expounds on the OWO?

Jackpine Savage
For your record, I will vote for neither one, so, before you savagely say stupid things again you had better wash your mouth out of all poison, before you speak!

Yes, you will most certainly work for Mr. Refried Hitler, as your poisonous mouth could do no better. The Republican party has completely murdered istself hence Obama may take over.

Wow HD you truly are twisted
""Yes, you will most certainly work for Mr. Refried Hitler, as your poisonous mouth could do no better. The Republican party has completely murdered istself hence Obama may take over""


I believe you won't vote for either, in fact you probably won't vote at all.

The clinically insane usually aren't allowed to vote.

Not sure where you're trying to go with the whole "Poison" thing, but I suggest you call your attendants, and take your meds.

I bet you look cute in that nice jacket with the extra long sleeves though.


ROFL, You're FUNNY!

Oilpatch Mercenary--
I was aware that FDR made gold a no-no but did not know that JFK had anything to do with the silver content of coins being obsolete since he died in 1963. We now know the downfall of our currency. Tragic for the future since nothing is backing our currency.

Who owns Obama?
International Communists helped to create Obama.
It began when they helped him run for the Illinois State Senate in 1996.
They are still backing him today;
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialis t-connections/

Then there is Obama's ties to an International Crime Cartel.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/so_tell_us_sen_ obama_who_else.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Can Obama win while part of his own Democrat Party is turning against him?
Democrats are forming groups to DEFEAT Obama!
(Information is near the end of the link.)
http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/williams/jb_williams.ht m

No, Wrong Analogy
I respect Michael Barone, but his looking to 1976 is simply wrong. Carter ran as a moderate Democrat. Obama is the most radical leftist to run as a Democrat since George McGovern.

This would be a repeat of 1972 if the major media were not effectively part of the Obama campaign.

Phil Byler (Off Topic.)
How do PBS & NPR look under the light of this law?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/losing_the_informati on_war_wit_1.html

ex-Wyomingite
""Thank you for joining me in trying to deal with the paulbots like Sam and H.D., ""

It was my pleasure, I love pointing out to demented people just how demented they really are.

Must be because I'm just an evil, bitter, gun-totin', Bible-clingin', xenophobic redneck.

Or maybe it's because they're truly insane.

Either way, they're entertaining. I've been called a fascist by a lefty, and a commie by a paulbot today.

(I'm still confused about the "poison mouth" thing though. I think I've been insulted though. :op)

My work here is done. :o)

my 2 cents
just keep repeating:

"The tortoise and the hare"

"The tortoise and the hare"

JMO51: Wrong Again
You said, "Obama has promised to cut the taxes of middle imcome Americans. Can you imagine where we would be today if Ronald Reagan had continued the conservation and alternative energy projects begun in the Carter Administration. As soon as oil prices began to fall Reagan did nothing."

First of all, Obama also said he was going to raise the capital gains tax; that is our retirement accounts. He said he was going to raise the payroll tax ceiling. Obama will also let the Reagan tax cuts die, which will raise the tax rate drastically. Obama has also going to bring back the death tax, where the government gets it's share of your estate.

Secondly, Reagan shut down any waste and fraud he discovered. Carter had a huge government and all kinds of stupid programs. There was research funded in the Cayman Islands that studied the farting habits of a specific lizard! Obviously, those programs were a waste of taxpayer dollars. Besides, if we were even close to inventing alternative energy, someone in the free market would have continued the research. The government didn't force or mandate that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates invent things; it happens naturally through the market.

It was Bill Clinton who shut down all our wells and refineries, stopped nuclear power production after Chernobel, ANWR after EXXON Valdes, etc. You dishonor Reagan by lying about him.


This is not correct, friend
Oilpatch Mercenary writes: 6:02 PM EST


And it was under JFK (move completed under LBJ) that the decision was made to remove the silver content from US coins.

Whatever else he was, John Kennedy was not a hard money man. Quite the contrary.
=====
"Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business.

Executive Order 11110 [the full text is displayed further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated."

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm



Voting
This year's vote will be between a disappointment (McCain) and a disaster (Obama).

I will vote for the disappointment.

This election like 1976- HUH?????



Seems to me this entire article was pointless.

After all, Ford lost the election.

Can You Imagine Another CARTER Type?
Can You Imagine Another CARTER Type In The White House?

My GOD, that could make you religious!

WHAT IS THE LESSON HERE?

.....That History repeats itself? ...or that people are too stupid to learn from the lessons of History? ...either way were screwed .....COLOSSUS

...A VOTE FOR ANY DEMOCRAT IS A VOTE FOR SOCIALISM ...

SVARA IN TX
I would not fret too much about nothing backing the currency. So long as people are free to buy, sell, trade, and hold precious metals of choice, you have a "gold standard" in place.

It does not meet the textbook example of a fixed price for the currency but every attempt to fix currency has failed. Just as soon not try again.

The currency debasement problem of the 1970s occured because the banking system first created new money and looked for customers to borrow it and go looking for something to buy.

Under Volcker/Greenspan the system changed. The consumer finds something he wants to buy and takes out a loan. In turn, the loan creates the new money. This will (or certainly should!) keep a rough correlation between money supply and goods and services.

What we do have now is what I call "spot inflation". Governmental policies channel excessive quantities to the existing money supply to favored sectors/locales. Medical care, real estate and OPEC come to mind. This of course jacks the prices up in the first two areas and by sending that many dollars abroad causes a dollar sell-off in foreign markets.

Stop all these stupid mandates and things will (or certainly should!) stabilize in short order.

Monetary theory is a multi-faceted subject and one is always subject to surprises. What is often promoted as an immutable principle is often a passing precedent.

For example: When a Double Eagle was $20, a Peacemaker was $16. Today, the ratios are usually inverse. The gold coin is worth about 80% of the six-shooter. Since the latter still goes BANG when you pull the trigger, it has higher use value than the coin, which is rather difficult to spend.

Hope this calms your jitters a tad. If so, my pleasure.



Hey Barone!
Instead of calling up these guys, you should check out the 20+ Independent/Third Party candidates running. You can find links to them on my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG.

Also, if you are in any position to influence the GOP and/or John McCain, you might suggest to them that they try reading the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. Then, encourage them to build a party platform on restoring those two documents to their proper place as the basis for a self-governing people to remain free.

After you have done that, get back to us with another column. We are all waiting anxiously! Thanks, Joe

TRANSLATE PLEASE
“We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me [Barack “Barry” Hussain bin O’BoomBox (nee: Obama)], derives from the fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others.

"Such a failure of empathy, such numbness in the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance and despair.”

130 words


Can someone please explain me if this is information or shear unadulterated goobliegook?



No inflation with gold
Oilpatch Mercenary writes:12:38 PM EST


For example: When a Double Eagle was $20, a Peacemaker was $16. Today, the ratios are usually inverse. The gold coin is worth about 80% of the six-shooter.
====
This is not true
http://www.monex.com/liveprices
Gold American Eagle 1,003.30 Upward change 10.20


Peacemaker Colt .45
is now a collectors item, adding some of this value placed on it by the seller.

Colt 45 "Peacemakers" 5 As A Lot...Antique Models
SELLER NAME Judy
SELLER STOCK #
CATEGORY Gun Displays/Racks
CONDITION NIB.

Price: $1,075.00
http://www.gunsamerica.com/976914544/Non-Guns/Gun-Displays- Racks/Colt_45_Peacemakers_5_As_A_Lot_Antique_Models.htm


One ounce of gold still buys what it did in the 1800's.

The Federal Reserve banking Notes have lost 95% of its buying power

What cost $1.00 in 1913 would cost $21.23 in 2007.

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi

The Founders understood economics, and is why they outlawed paper fiat money and require only precious metals to be legal tender, in the Constitution.



One ounce of gold
I'm confused. How much did a flat screen TV, a sports car, or a cell phone cost back in the 1800's? Face it, that argument is just dumb.

Guess you are confused boone
You are the only one making such a stupid argument
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