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Saturday, March 22, 2008
Michael Barone :: Townhall.com Columnist
Will Wright Damage Obama's Millennial Support?
by Michael Barone
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It's a generational thing. That was the theme of Barack Obama's speech last Tuesday, in which he both failed to renounce and at the same time separated himself from the man he has described as his spiritual mentor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Obama said that Wright's bellowing, "God damn America," was just a response to the evil treatment of America's blacks all those years ago by an old man (66) who does not realize, as Obama does and as the success of Obama's candidacy shows, that America is not static but has been perfecting itself.

Obama's even tone and his supple rhetoric was a soothing contrast to Wright's rants, and his calls on blacks to urge their children to read were a concession to the majority of Americans who believe that black Americans' problems are not all the fault, as Wright suggests, of vicious white people.

It was an artful performance and a politically sensitive one. For Obama's candidacy is a generational phenomenon. His greatest support comes from black voters and from voters under 30, the Millennial generation born after 1980, first named by William Strauss and Neal Howe.

The exit polls in Democratic primaries this year have shown the widest generational split that I can remember in either primaries or general elections. Upward of two-thirds of voters 65 and over have been supporting Hillary Clinton; even higher percentages of voters under 30 have been backing Obama. Evidence suggests that Obama has been attracting many new young voters -- a source of strength for his party if he is nominated -- and is even getting them to click on the campaign's emails and send in money.

The Wright sermons have probably not been a problem for Obama with black voters -- they have heard this kind of thing before. And while it may be off-putting, it will not prompt them to reconsider their votes or diminish their enthusiasm.

Millennials are another matter. In a brilliantly well-timed new book, "Millennial Makeover: MySpace, YouTube and the Future of American Politics," Democratic Party veteran Morley Winograd and media researcher Michael Hais explain how this generation, with the highest percentages of blacks, Latinos and Asians in American history, doesn't care much for racial divisions and relies for news and advice on networks of friends and peers.

A newspaper story on Obama's pastor is not going to affect their view of him -- they don't read newspapers except when a friend emails a link to a newspaper Website. A YouTube video is another thing. The Wright videos -- angry when Obama is soothing, racially divisive when Obama is inclusive, anti-American when Obama proclaims a new generation's version of patriotism -- are something else.

You can see in the national polls over the week before Obama's March 18 speech a decline in his favorable ratings, and a decline in his showing against John McCain and Hillary Clinton. The hypothesis forms that he has been losing to some extent the support and to a more important extent the enthusiasm of Millennial voters. The March 18 speech was an attempt to get that back, or at least to limit the damage.

Did it succeed? I'm not sure. Obama portrays Wright as the voice of black America for one generation, one generation that is pretty much on the way out, and himself as the voice of black Americans and of all Americans for a new generation.

But another version comes through. Readers of Obama's gracefully written autobiography, "Dreams of My Father," have been surprised to find that it is the story of a young man who wants to embrace rather than transcend his blackness. Joining Wright's church was part of that embrace.

And observers of Obama's political career will note that joining that church gave Obama political connections in the all-black South Side that he lacked as guy who arrived in Chicago from Columbia and Harvard Law, and gravitated to the mostly white university community in Hyde Park. The 76 percent black state Senate seat he won in 1996 (after getting his opponents' names removed from the ballot) included Hyde Park, but most of its voters were on the all-black South Side.

So is Obama a transcendent leader or just another politician? Millennials who have fervently believed he is the first may, after watching Wright on YouTube, wonder whether they have been wrong.

My own answer is: both. He embraced Wright for 20 years, out of something like idealism, and got something out of it. Now he is making a generational pivot away from him, with notes of idealism, and is getting something out of that, too. I'll be watching the Millennials in the next exit poll. I suspect that Democratic super-delegates will be, too.

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Millennials
These dear children are a product of a failed educational system, everyone seems to agree on that. Everyone disagrees on the cause, and of course there are few proffered solutions to the poor performance of those educated in public schools since 1980. Vouchers, or more money? The argument that the solution to the problem is more money is false since spending has been increasing every year, on every level: Federal, State and Local. That is the only solution acceptable to those in charge of the education monopoly.

Time for something new. Anyone got any ideas? And, no I don't think paying teachers more is the solution, because the best teachers, in my personal experience, are not monetarily motivated, plus they all loved what they are doing.

Attention Span Vs. Authenticity
Michael Barone questions how Obama's speech will impact millenals. It depends. The post-modern generation favors authenticity and is less tied to institutions. Yet, this is the same generation that is used to fast food, instant entertainment, and hook-ups.
Will Obama's ties to a racist church and J. Wright appear inauthentic in light of his past rhetoric, or will they even pay attention long enough to meditate on the situation?

My hope is the former, but I fear the latter.

I find it interesting that pundits keep noting that those 65 or older are voting for Hillary and those 30 and under are voting for Obama. I keep wondering where are the voters 30-64? Given that folks between 30-64 are the biggest voting block, it might be more important to discern how these folks feel about Obama? Previous primaries are not going to shed light on that because there are likely many Obama primary voters who are now experiencing "buyers remorse."

It will also be interesting to see if the MSM will finally scrutinize Obama as they should or continue to give him a free pass.

No media bias in evidence
20 years of Wright is almost understandable cause Rich White People, The Devil(hat tip to flip wilson) made him do it! Why, its not so bad.
But let one Republicab go to Bob Jones University
and make his "own speech" and he is worse than a rich white person. That one speech will prove that Rev. (is there a black man who owns a suit that isn't referred to as Reverend?)Wright was
on to something?

Who is this Man?
A good article which poses the larger question, who is he and what does he now believe.

He is an individual with a unique background and experience that is generally different from the average mixed Black who may have spent an entire lifetime living in the usual environment of most urban areas in the USA. Born in the most multi-cultural environment in the USA, he spent his early childhood in Jakarta as an oddity amongst his fellow Indonesian playmates and never adjusted to his new circumstances, returning to Hawai'i to spend the rest of his formative years under the guidance of his White grandparents. He'd little opportunity during those years to become familiar with the true local culture of Hawai'i, attending an exclusive school for high achievers and then going on to another school that was largely attended by White students.

After 2 years in Columbia, he then took a rather lackluster job where he was just another guy, not prone to partying, described as somewhat aloof albeit intelligent in the casual surroundings of the office.

By the time he was 23, he still had not lived the typical experience of an underprivileged Black, to the contrary, he had lived in moderately privileged circumstances all of his life to that point.


Who is this Man? ~ 2
It is then that he responded to his calling when he sought out and accepted a $10,000 a year position working for a neighborhood project development organizatin funded by the Catholic Church but overseen by a conglomeration of Black churches.

Imagine, if you will, this highly intelligent and eloquent young man who had spent nearly all of his life not living in a black neighborhood, a graduate of Columbia University, who made the conscious decision to relocate into the depths of South Chicago's rather low economic class of any area in or around Chicago for the meager salary of $833 a month when other graduates of Columbia were making 5 or 6 times that..........

One might pause here and ask, 'WHY?' What possible motivation would a man of his obvious talent have for living in near poverty? The answer is clearly described in a book that he wrote only a few years later while at Harvard Law School when he had become the first and only Editor of the Harvard Law Review, an achievement that no other Black man had made in the long history of this revered institution of higher learning.

In his book, he describes how he had a lifetime of conflicting emotions and was in search of his identity. How was he to learn who and what he was better than to conduct the experiment of his yearning quest to discover what it was like to live as a poor, deprived Black person?

For it was during that brief "time out" that he "timed in" and met Jeremiah Wright, his friend, his inspiration, his mentor when he joined the Trinity Church.

His Dream was now fulfilled. His mission is clear. He is now a Black Man, one of the most heralded of our time.

Long term/near term impact
Well, if this isn't a fine kettle of fish.

The near mad and subversive rants of a 66 year old pastor and the hypnotic cooing of a reasonable and polished young senator have collided, yes, collided in public, and we "typical white people" look on, not sure what to make of the explanation and rationale being burped up all over the place.

The intelligentsia excuses Wright's eruptions, saying "he's obviously been hurt at some point" and that "he has been taken out of context."

Yeah, right. If you buy that, you'll buy that a serial murderer isn't a murderer all the time, he just commits his crimes when old wounds open.

On the other hand, we hear Obama lauded for his courage vis a vis describing the racial tensions that have existed for, lo, these many years. And he was up til two a.m. writing the speech for delivery in front of eight, count 'em, eight flags of the United States. Wow, do the visuals say he loves his country, or what?

What a guy.

While the pundits dither about Obama's intentions and his wonderful delivery, what I heard and saw was quite different.

Mr. Obama was really saying that all the money we've spent in this nation, starting with busing, cruising through billions on more equal education, tossing easy abortions to the "poor" from the federal coffers, releasing black men in general from their parental responsibilities, digging deep for training programs...all that money was wasted on an ungrateful underclass that has developed a bottomless maw for more.

How the black middle class can tolerate such mindless pandering strains belief.


More from the above or below
They've read too much Margaret Sanger Harris if they truly opt into the belief that a country could actually perpetrate an AIDS epidemic or introduce crack into the black community. If they can listen to the likes of Wright then swoon over the snake oil of Obama, then they truly have become an underclass of pre-teens, so self absorbed that this kind of swill feeds their egos.

We have let them down, for sure, by not expecting them to behave like mature adults, take responsibility for their actions and live up to the consequences.

What both these men did was to sell out their supposed benefactors, reflected by the identical manure dished up by the failed left and its granny-state policies. Odd, isn't it, that the supposed opening of such a dialogue as this should stir resentment of the regular white folks who went along with the program, who thought the program would help?

Neither Obama nor Wright have opened a dialogue that will help. They kissed affirmative inclination goodbye and slammed the door.

What you witness here is the final affirmation that the liberal policies were ineffective in the worst way and that the liberals got it wrong.

Where we as a nation are headed now is for a confrontation with hard truths spoken deliberately and earnestly. The ravings of a mistaken but charismatic preacher and smooth words cleverly delivered will of needs face an altogether different collision when the reality of our fiscal and defense situation reach critical mass.

We approach a rendez-vous with a destiny few can predict. All these two men did was expose one phase of the continuing peril our pretenses have masked.

The solutions can not be found in rants, serenades, or politically correct contortions. Truth can be abrogated only so long, and it requires tough adults, speaking plainly, to set it to rights.

Obama's hypocrisy won't sell
Obama opposed the judicial nomination of African-American Janice Rogers Brown because she once ruled that a racial slur could be protected speech under the First Amendment.

Obama opposed the judicial nomination of Southern civil rights hero Leslie Southwick (who did so in a time and place when it required actual bravery, not just a big mouth and ego) because he once ruled that under the circumstances of a particular case, a woman who uttered a racial slur should get her job back.

Yet when his 20-year record of supporting the virulently racist Wright is exposed, Obama pitifully cries that this is unfair, and shouldn't be held against his quest for the office of President. After all, (without a clue of the delicious irony) Obama accused his grandmother(!) of being a "typical white person" because she once "confessed" to him in private that she was sometimes nervous when approached by unknown black men! (What's the line about a sociopath's willingness to step over their mother's dead body! You can't make up comedy like this!)

Ditto for willingly poisoning his daughters' minds by forcing them to sit through Wright's racist rants in hopes of scoring brownie points with his political base.

Dream or Nightmare?
Obama's speech was nowhere near the eloquence of Dr. King's. Obama was more "I have a nightmare" speech. The media still loves him and says what a wonderful speech it was, but many of us are unconvinced of his true thoughts on race relations. Dr. King would have rejected Rev. Wright's hatred right up front. Dr. King envisioned the day when through the love of Christ, we could all come together. The speeches are night and day different. One was visionary, the other was damage control. Segregation would have put his grandmother at the back of the bus, but his speech threw her under it.

I remember here in Missouri how the ads during the Bush campaign said that there would be many more black churches burned if Bush were elected. Bush was elected and reelected but the black church burning was not increased. They also ran ads about the chain dragging death of a black man in Texas insinuating more would follow. It didn't. Inflammatory speech like Rev. Wright has never helped peace or freedom.

I could hold Blacks in contempt for the Buffalo Soldiers who murdered American Indians in the name of the US Government. When has Obama or Rev. Wright apologized to the Indian nations for that? However, I choose to acknowledge the wrongs of the past and pray that we can all remember them so as not to repeat them, but to improve our collective future.

Sorry Obama
--- Imagine a white person attending a KKK church for 20 years and then deciding to run for president. No problem right? He would only have to disagree with the statements of his minister. He could even claim that he didn't know what his minister was talking about during 20 years as a member. After all, some people sit in church and don't really listen to every sermon. Is being a good listener one of the requirements of becoming President? He could remain a church member as long as the church is helping the poor and doing other good deeds. I wonder how much support he would get from the MSM?

The word always seems to get out
It's true, people don't always keep up with whats going on. News is passed on from mouth to mouth or from e-mails to e-mails. One things for certain. It may take a little time but the truth always comes out. It may get twisted along the way, but in the end, it somehow gets straightened out. It's the moment that gets twisted and not after the fact. Anything after the fact becomes truth. Before it becomes fact, it's the truth that get twisted. There's a lot of information being passed around about Obama as fact and not the truth. The truth is, they dont' have any facts, just doubt they wish to create about Obama. In the speeches Obama made where are the facts that back up Obama is a racist, anti American, closet Muslim, Manchurian candidate, and by tomorrow after hearing the tapes again, it will be reveal Obama is really 007. Obama's character and judgment is now in question. The list keeps on growing. Why? Because there are no facts. A poor attempt to prove Obama has racial issues came to light after Obama's speech. All Obamas attackers heard was typical white people and Obama threw his grandmother under the bus. The influence of Reverend Wright has to be proven in some way, to make the labels Obamas attackers have given him stick. All we hear now, is after the speech people feel this way about Obama. Obama wants the nomination and the Presidency. Who in the world thinks Obama would make a speech to attack and insult white people, past and present. Only the ones who believes the propaganda about Obama, thats who.

Good Post Doddle
Doddle wrote: "What you witness here is the final affirmation that the liberal policies were ineffective in the worst way and that the liberals got it wrong."

If one replaces "white" with "liberal" much of Wrights rants are correct. The near destruction of black America is the "crop" liberals have sown. We would be misguided if we don't look past the racial aspect and focus on liberalism.

What group is next?

The mask is off
Obama was trapped. He decided to blend in with the South Chicago racist black sentiment in order to start his political climb. He joined the church with Rev. Wright because it was the biggest and this would tell his future constituents that he was just as anti-whitey as all of them. It worked. But only one problem came up. He now needs whitey in order to reach his next rung. He has to either say what he did, or that he made a mistake. The gravity of him choosing this approach is that he is now branded as a jive con man who only wants to use people. What is really in his heart is not important anymore as whitey now is seeing him with no mask on.

Liberal Mask
Liberals are attacking those whom they think are the weakest among us - children, women, minorities and men who are trapped in limbo neither child nor adult. We can be thankful for the Women who have stood up against liberal feminisim, blacks who have stood up against the liberal poison being spewed all around them even some of our children in schools are taking a stand.

When are we conservative men going to wage a full scale assault? We are being distracted by race, gender, economics etc. Christ said "beware of wolves in sheeps clothing."

Liberals are intelluctual terrorists who are waging a war against everything this Great Nation was built on.

Liberal Mask II
Liberal terroists have declared war on our values.

deviate behaviour = normalcy
education = indoctrination
race relations = racial hatred
self determination = collectivisim
hard work = midnight basketball and handouts
results = intentions
character = moral equivalency

Executing serial killers has become "cruel and inhumane" - drilling a hole in a babys head and sucking out its brains has become not only acceptable but righteous and an American right.

Sexually abusing children is defended and NAMBLA supporters view this as freedom of expression.

My wife of 42 years was attacked at a mall in broad daylight - a young black man came to her defense and after running off the attacker made sure she was safely in her car and then called the police. My son-in-law - an under cover armed police officer - was killed at an ATM by a thug who shot him in the back of the head while he was getting money to take his family to dinner.

Well, "I am mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more."





Doodle....
Great post!

Some say that whites have classified Obama as Black. Seems to me he did that quite well for himself when he joined a church that is "...unashamedly Black." O. must think all Americans are as ignorant as the Rev. Wrong and his cheering stooges if he expects us to believe that he did not embrace and subscribe to Rev. Wrong's racist, anti-America rants.

Even worse, a prez O. will push this country onto the liberally greased (pun intended) slope to Marxism while gutting our military's ability to defend our country.

Try this quote on for size:

“A succinct summary of the tragic vision was given by historians Will and Ariel Durant: Out of every hundred new ideas ninety-nine or more will probably be inferior to the traditional responses which they propose to replace. No one man, however brilliant or well-informed, can come in one lifetime to such fullness of understanding as to safely judge and dismiss the customs or institutions of his society, for those are the wisdom of generations after centuries of experiment in the laboratory of history." -- Thomas Sowell

Read What I Write
For several months I have warned about 2 issues with Obama. Many of you saw those warnings. They were: 1. His church affiliation--now revealed and being debated. 2. His Muslim religion--some say he is a Christian--he is! In this country but not in the Muslim world. Obama cannot disavow his Islamic Law status. To 1.2 billion Islamist (not just the radical type) he is a Muslim because his biological father was a Muslim. Obama has no say. Obama has exacerbated the problem (and it is a problem) by violating Islamic Law in committing apostasy. Willfully changing his religion is a punishable offense under Islamic Law--the punishment may be death. We (USA) need a protracted presence in the Middle East, we need a credible President to represent us in negotiations in the region, Obama is an apostate to Muslims, he has violated Muhammad's Law--religious criminals are not credible.

Thank you, posters,
one and all. Just as it is important to realize there are many black people who go along with the words of Jeremiah Wright, so it is important that there are those who would do the same as the young rescuer in the mall parking lot. The relative proportions are extremely difficult to ascertain. Blacks tend to maintain a united front in front of strangers. Even with white people they trust they are careful about complete disclosure. Perfectly natural. I am careful about what i say, and how i express my ideas when talking to black people at any level of friendship. I just hope that black Americans will take heed of the reaction of whites to the words of Wright, and the effect on Obama's campaign, and attribute this reaction to being insulted and vilified for things that were done by others long ago.

pjal
Thank you for the info. You confirm my opinion, based on less facts, that he is merely the usual politician, taking the route that will move him the furthest in the moment. He is apparently cut from the same ambitious megalomaniac cloth as the Clintons, and the vast majority of scoundrels and feather merchants in DC whose only skill is in getting elected. Just what this country needs. Another feather-my-nest and the country be D****D politician.

nutnfnr
Don't you just love that quote from Sowell. A truly great thinker. How i wish he were one of the candidates. But of course, he is merely a brilliant human being, of character and principle. Not some power-hungry amoral nutjob, which is what is it seems to take to be in politics these days.

Addendum--Read What I Write
Our lack of success in the Middle East over the past 16 years (except for the brief period of Colin Powell) is directly attributable to our poking the Arabs in the eye with a female Secretary of State. Albright and Rice are not credible in the Arab world. They are women and women are not equal to men under Islamic Law--we flaunt our difference in the Islamist face. The result has been, inflated gas prices, terrorism unchecked, the rise of extremism, Iran actively pursuing atomic something (power, weapons-who knows), and extreme uncertainty of our future in the region. Our influence has waned and now we are on the cusp of electing a Muslim President guilty of Apostasy and a violator of the words of Muhammad. This is not a simple cartoon problem---this one has real meat to it.

Barack's (& Hillary's) idiological roots
Anyone who wants to discover both Barack Obama's and Hillary Clinton's deepest ideological roots should simply Google Search each of their names with those of the Marxists SAUL ALINSKY and ANTONIO GRAMSCI -- and their infamous "March Through The Institutions" method for gaining control over one and all ("one" meaning you and "all" meaning everyone and every thing else, as well).

JIM GUIRARD -- TrueSpeak.org

30-64 age group will decide this thing.
I also think the age group, 30-64, will decide the election. It is the largest voting bloc.

White democrats and independents had been supporting Obama in significant numbers. How else to explain his wins? The black vote by itself was not sufficient.

I believe the Wright matter has severely damaged Obama among whites..and will turn off whites in some age groups more so than in other age groups.

How could Obama and his advisors have failed to understand from the outset, once the senator decided to seek the presidency, that this Wright matter was capable of derailing his campaign?

Even with a media hopelessly soaked in p.c. dogma, fawning like a school girl with a teenage crush on a football star, Obama's campaign must have realized this Wright association could not be kept secret forever.

The association is toxic.


Barack Obama

To understand Barack Obama’s connection to Rev. Wright requires a look at the facts of Obama's life and a consideration of human psychology.
In his books, Barack Obama has told the story of the family into which he was born; about a father from Kenya whom he barely knew, who had been raised a Muslim but had become an atheist and who left when Barack was age 2; about his white American mother from Kansas who was not a religious believer but who was profoundly humanitarian; and about his father and mother’s meeting as college students at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu. Born in 1961, by age 6 young Barack was already living in Jakarta with his mother and his Indonesian step father before moving back to Hawaii at age 10 to be raised by his maternal grandparents when his mother and her second husband divorced. Barack Obama was raised in a non religious but profoundly secular humanist environment by his mother and grandparents.
Having grown up without a father, in 1983 he graduated from Columbia University and while still in his mid twenties began working for a meager salary as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago. (That was largely from the influence of his mother's strong secular humanism.) It was then (before he went to Harvard Law School) that he began attending Trinity United Church of Christ and where he met the pastor of the church, Rev. Wright, who became influential in his life and which resulted in Barack Obama becoming a Christian believer. That was a very significant psychological event for Barack Obama, having been raised in a non religious environment.(continued)

Barack obama
Remember, Barack Obama never had the benefit of a relationship with a father. Rev. Wright who was 20 years older than Barack Obama partially filled that void and became his adopted “uncle”. Wright became “part of the family” and while Obama was attending Harvard law school in 1992 Wright performed the wedding ceremony for Michelle and Barack and later baptized each of their two daughters.
Does anyone seriously think that Barack Obama with all his intelligence and racial insight secretly shares the over the top "60's Radical" views expressed in the sermons of 2001 of his "adopted uncle" which he has repeatedly denounced? He has vigorously disagreed with and denounced Wright's hyperbolic rhetoric that is based on Wright's anger and bitterness which Obama understands but doesn't share. But some mixture of his mother's secular humanism and his own Christian beliefs will never allow Obama to disown his "adopted uncle."

Way Down Upon The Sauwannee River
Well, that about wraps it up. Obama turned the negative to a positive. It's as simple as that. One look at Hillary's face in the afternoon said it all. He has the numbers. The Millenials and the Super Dees were lining the green watching the snaking 60 foot putt drop and now know they have Tiger Woods in a suit.

Doesn't it seem pretty clear that this speech opened the door to the Clinton vice presidency? Much of what was said in Obama's speech could fit neatly into Clinton's pocket as well. It's the "race/gender" ticket. They'll be no re-vote. No more fretting about who will carry Florida or Michigan. No red telephones ringing in the night. That unbeatable coalition will trump the pundits speculation and as Barack said, the country can move on to more important business.

The two campaigns should be ironing out the details as this is written. McCainosaurus. Robert Kennedy Jr. will be appointed by Gov. Patterson and dem coattails will win the senate. (Apologies to B'rer Rabbit). Oh, and by the way, after that speech, one good thing surfaced. We now have permission to bring back "Uncle Remus" and "Old Folks at Home."

Warrior
Are you suggesting that we should now set as a criteria for elected officials that they pass the smell test for Islam?

If that's the case NONE of us could be elected to office in the United States.

Only one small observation...
In your concluding paragraph, you say :"He embraced Wright for 20 years, out of something like idealism, and got something out of it."

"Something like idealism", is, I strongly suggest nothing more than rank racial politics.

Being too "clean and articulate" (h/t Joe Biden), Obama needed to enhance his gangsta-self, or the black community would have rejected him as they have Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, and other black leaders who eschew the politics of perpetual victimhood.

Wright was the ticket into this not-so-secret society, and Obama ate at the trough with two spoons, bringing wife, children and money with him to seal the deal.

He got paid for it with their support, but in the larger world, support of anti-Americans, anti-Semites, and racists isn't all that great a platform to stand on.

Not in this country, anyway.

Obama
Looks to me like Obama was using that church,just like a typical pol.Use everything and every body to get what you want.Never mind ethics and morality.

Barone Said....
" It's a generational thing. That was the theme of Barack Obama's speech last Tuesday..." I couldn't tell from Barone's words whether he was saying "generational" or interpreting Obama's. I, for one, do not believe that it is generational because I suspect that Wright's manner of speech is applied daily. You pick the places where it happens. The previous comment spoke of baby boomers feeling the pain. Yes, that is correct, but it started in the 1930s with FDR who extended the recession by several years with his policies, and was continued by Truman and LBJ. Social preaching is plentiful in all churches, more so than is preaching that doing it yourself is more rewarding and correct.

A Republican for Obama
I'm a recovering republican - the party left me at the alter when they represented Commando Guy as presidential timber.

I'm far more afraid of Desider n Cheef than Obama.

My complaint with many of my fellow conservatives - is that they treat politics like football. If Greenbay is your team - it matters not if they play poorly, cheat or use drugs.

Likewise the cheeseheads of the GOP installed a messianic smurf to the most powerful job in the world - a man who didn't know the difference between shia and sunni - a man who cannot find Iran on a map - a man who has defiled the currency, the constitution, and the prestige of America -

because he had the testosterone of a lion, but the ethics of a hyena.

Sorry - There is nothing Obama could do to the courts, the cabinet or the budget - that compares with the last 8 years.

And perhaps a Black Panther at Justice might tell us who shorted their United stocks in the weeks before 9/11

The trouble with young admirers
of Obama is that they are easily taken in by his empty rhetoric. Emotions drive them. They don't follow politics (or even vote). The youngest, in college, are influenced by liberal professors. They don't know what they don't know.They get so-called news in the form of humor and satire from Stewart and Cobare. How unfortunate.

If they young admirers listened closely to Obama's speeches and read his policy proposals and read his web page, they would soon learn he is nothing but an old fashion follower of failed socialist policies,

Unfortunately, these young are the product of our failed school system so know very little about past history and what worked and what didn't.

Also. unfortunate for them is the fact that Obama policies will be paid for by them. They don't know nothing is free. Goverment doesn't make money. It takes it. I am retired and have my pension, savings and no lifetime ahead of me. I will be alright but will they be????

The Reverend....
Much has been said about the Reverend Wright in the last week, all of it boils down to just another black racist spouting hatred in the name of God. That Obama attends these sermons is a warning to all.

What is so bothersome about race hustlers like Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, etc. is that they continuously foster the racial divisions that the PC crowd complain about. How can Wright's sermons and the speeches of other so-called black leaders be construed otherwise? Of course the MSM and PC crowd then come out and defend bad behavior as they always do. How does reverse racism help the cause? In my opinion reverse racism exacerbates and amplifies division!

Obamas campaign has been severely damaged but I hope he maintains enough steam to dilute the other Marxists chances. McCain may be another poor choice but he's better than the two marxists the Dems have put up.

Come to think of it, I'm really sick and tired of choices between bad and worse. Perhaps we are just getting what we deserve. As long as Americans listen to the lies of politicians I suspect that this is all we'll get, bad and worse.

Speaches
I can no longer hear Barak speak without hearing the influence of Reverand Wright.

wow, y'all are pissed!
My, that "typical" comment has really hit a nerve amongst you white folk! I don't blame you. I'd be really cheesed off if a white pol said "typical black people". This is part of Obamas way. He doesn't ever see anything he says/does to be wrong. He was sorta cruel to HRC ("you're likeable enough")but yet can't take any critique w/o it being racist. He constantly travels the low road ,yet, somehow, always seems to claim the high. The best thing about this is that HRC won't have to pick him as her VP. He's damaged goods now.

Question. Someone mentioned that he had his opponents names removed from the ballot in an early contest. What's that about? I know he's got a sleazy past and want more ammo. I'm a dem delegate and am going to need plenty of proof at state convention to pursuade people to take another look at him.

BTW, the mills are going to vote for him no matter what. Luckily, when Hill gets the nom there's enough "older" dems to overwhelm Mcbush. And yeah, I'm a little P.O. that my age group is being totally ignored. I'm 45.

Hey there ex Wyomingite
Barack Obama is currently 46 years old but I don't think he is hanging around with Rev. Wright much these days as he did in his 20’s. Although he has repeatedly denounced Wright’s extreme rhetoric, for the reasons I mentioned previously he simply won’t disown his “adopted uncle.”
You say you don’t think Barack Obama is mature enough to be president, but on March 12th 10 distinguished retired Admirals and Generals from the Navy, Army and Air Force endorsed him for president and think he is mature enough to be Commander in Chief of all U.S Military Forces. But perhaps you think these men are also suffering from a “feminized brain” like yours truly?
If you find yourself getting upset at my “tedious posts” why not just skip them and have a better day.

Passed first test
Barack Obama gave the speech of his life this week, but it should not have been necessary. That speech was more about us as a society than it was him. We still have to confront racism as an issue in the country and that is sad. But there is some hope - Both Chris Wallace and Jeff Kemp have said enough is enough Fox News, let's move on to the real issues that need discussion, like our faltering economy and a war in Iraq that is a continuing drain on our troops and our national treasure. And as we have seen, Wall Street is still out of control.

Obama simply revealed himself
as a racist by soiling his grandmother's and Geradine Ferrara's to balance them against Wright's decades of bile, of which Obama still hasn't honestly explained how or why he and his family could patronage a church that spewed hatred of the nation, hatred of white people, and virulent condemnation of Western culture.

He must agree with it.

After all, Hitler was a great speaker and told people what they wanted to hear. Women even fainted in the crowds.

Obama offers another $1.7 trillion in spending, military humiliation in the Middle East and more 190th C. socialism so the US will look more like Sweden than the nation that saved the world from two devasting global wars.

Barone
"Obama said that Wright's bellowing, "God damn America," was just a response to the evil treatment of America's blacks all those years ago by .."

Barone shouldn't lie. He is trying to trick people to hate, not something I'd call a Christian value.

Judge for your selves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

abaines, refatsew et al
Jeremiah Wright said that James Cone had a great deal of influence on him. In fact Wright experienced an epiphany when listening to the teaching of James Cone, one that changed his thinking and theology. Obama chose Wright as his spiritual leader and guide.

James Cones words:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love".
James Cone
New York's Union Theological Seminary
-------------------------------------------------
Obama supporters: Perhaps with your superior wisdom, intellect and insight into the mind of Obama - is this the HOPE Obama wants for all americans - is this the CHANGE Obama wants for all americans.



refatsew
Surely you do not believe all that tripe you are placing on the table for us to swallow. We still do not know which part of the Rev Wright's diatribe of garbage Obama denounces or disagrees with. Obama had to give his speech because he had not done what you so foolishly allege he had done; distance himself from the lunatic Reverend. Wake up; smell the intellect on this board, say what you will but please limit your remarks to the world as it is and not as you dream it to be. Lies are lies even when you tell them.

Biggest Concern
Several things concern me about the flap over Obama and his church. One is the degree of Obama's hypocrisy. Out of one side of his mouth he claims to be one who will unite a divided country, but on the other hand, he financially supports (i.e. sponsors) a church in which hate and divisiveness are regularly preached. Then, one day he claimed he didn't really know that Wright was preaching such hate filled messages, but a couple of days later he acknowledges that "of course" he knew. But there's more. In his speech earlier this week, he distanced himself from Wright's hate, but later in the same speech he excused it. Given all this, his speech will not help him among those who are actually listening. But as bad as all this is, perhaps the biggest concern I have coming out of this controversy is that we've now learned that Wright's hate-filled preaching is 'main-stream' in black churches across America. Forty years of race-baiting and white guilt have poisoned an entire generation of black Americans. Very sad.

FOLLOW THE BOUNCING BALL
TASTE OF BLACK THEOLOGY


Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not
identified totally with the goals of the black
community. If God is not for us and against white
people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill
him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do
not belong to the black community. . . . Black
theology will accept only the love of God which
participates in the destruction of the white enemy.
What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black
Power, which is the power of black people to destroy
their oppressors here and now by any means at their
disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy
activity, we must reject his love.
James Cone
New York's Union Theological Seminary ...

.....James Cone is Jeremiah Wright's mentor and Wright is Obama's mentor ...follow the bouncing ball .....COLOSSUS

Obama speech like WWII German's
Obama's speech reminds one of what good Germans were saying immediately following WWII upon being shown Nazi death camps.

Reaction 1) I never personally heard Hitler say anything bad about Jews. I must have been out of town when he did.

Reaction 2) You must remember Herr Hitler was a product of his times and even churchs when he was growing up were saying Jews were responsible for Christ's death.

Reaction 3) Everyone has racists views including Americans. Look Henry Ford and Charles Lindberg had high regard for our dear Hitler at least in part because of his hatred of Jews.

Reaction 4) I never personally went along with Hitler and his antisemitism. I but of course I couldn't condemn him because he did so much good for Germany like building the autobahns and after all he was a German.



Retire Geek
Quoting Cone from the 60s is a disingeuous tactic.

Cone has temepered his rhetoric over the years and admits his early radicalism was a mistake. In addition, you completely fail to understand, or even try to inderstand why Cone, raised in Arkansas in the 40s and 50s, would develop such views. Possibly if you had experienced the governor of your state calling out the National Guard to block your kids from attending public school; possibly if you had relatives lynched for looking sideways at a white woman, you'd be a bit more enlightened as to how someone could arrive at such polarizing positions.

Yet, while Cone's rhetoric has matured and moderated over the years, yours remains based in an ignorant denial of the dynamics involved in the evolution of race relations in this country.

Bob_C
If I had some reason to believe you could read and comprehend what I have already clearly said, I might try again. I have never used the phrase "Islam smell test" so those are your words and thoughts, not mine. My post was instructive not a cliche to be massaged by morons. Every word in it is accurate as it relates to Obama's Muslim religion and the Islamic view of it. Since we are at war with Islamic elements, threatening war with a terrorist supporting country (Iran), assisting our Sunni dominated friendly country's in their security, Obama's Islamic past cannot and should not be overlooked simply because we prefer to hide behind our own culture.

ex-Wyomingite
" I have been very disappointed this week to see how easily he is distracted and taken off message by the cheap theatrics of the repugnant Mrs. Clinton and her enablers. I wonder then at his ability to play chess with grand masters such Hu, Chavez, and Ahmedinezad."

That's an important observation, but did you know, in the middle of all this, he pounded out one of the best speeches on foreign policy?

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfels en/gGBFrl

Hey, is he going to tax people more than they are? That's a real issue.

What About Obama's Daughters
For those who continue as apologists for Obama, I can accept your pleas on his behalf up to a point. Some have speculated that Obama aligned with Wright and his church out of a need for a father figure. Others have claimed that Obama joined the church to give himself street credibility with blacks in Chicago. Okay, one or a combination of these both may be true.

The problem is once his daughters were born, if Obama truly disagreed with the philosophy perpetuated by Wright within the church, Obama should have found a new place of worship. Since he didn't, it leaves me with the following questions:

1. Did Obama stay out of politcal expediency? If so, a man who would put political gain ahead of his children's upbringing is a political animal of the worst proportions.
2. If number #1 is not true, than I can only assume Obama stayed because in large measure he agrees with the church and Wright despite his rhetoric to the contrary. This means that Obama is little more than a suave liar.

I don't really see a third way here to explain why Obama would allow his children to be raised in a racially charged and anti-American atmosphere. If Obama has such bad judgement on behalf of his children, how can I expect him to display any better judgement on bahalf of the USA?

Bobzmcishl,Taft,abaines,refatsew et al
Bobzmcishl wrote: "let's move on to the real issues that need discussion."

Is that anything like "move-on.org".?

Since I am a simple conservative, I don't understand whether Obama and Wright mean that all americans should be "damned by god" or just white americans?

I am looking forward to knowing the truth, help!


Maybe I Need Another Cup of Coffee
My thoughts got ahead of my fingers, or I need another cup of coffee to jump-start my brain. I know how to spell judgment and behalf. Slurp, Slurp....ah, the caffeine is kicking in.

I suspect
Baseballdoc has done no research on James Cone beyond reading a very biased WorldNetDaily article.

http://www.answers.com/topic/james-cone?nr=1&lsc=true

This might help you get a more balanced overview.

News?
The Right Reverend Wright doesnt say anything that the loonies in the Congressional Black Caucus dont say every day. How come Ron Dellums, a rabid America-hater and Marxist stood on the House floor for a decade or more spouting the same insane rubbish without causing a flap like this? Anyone want to borrow my gold-bound copy of 'Speeches Of Maxine Waters'? Up until now its been 'racism' to notice the radicalized, dysfunctional political culture that exists among American blacks.It took a desperate power-hungry white political candidate to all of a sudden bring it into the national discussion. The fact is that white people are really tired of being called racists for noticing how irrational these conspiracy rants are. I think this has made Obama totally unelectable. The vicious racist intent of Hillary Clinton has probably made her unelectable. Yesterday I heard the pollster Rasmussin remark on the radio that John McLame is the luckiest person since Ringo Starr. Yeah, yeah, yeah!

Jeff
"The problem is once his daughters were born, if Obama truly disagreed with the philosophy perpetuated by Wright within the church, Obama should have found a new place of worship. Since he didn't, it leaves me with the following questions:"

Have you ever read The Srewtape Letterrs?
Tim Challies' article, Involuntary Community, is a good challenge against "church shopping" and reminded me of a passage from one of my favorite books, The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis.

In Letter 16, Lewis has the demon Screwtape write a letter to Screwtape's demon nephew, Wormwood, advising him to attack a certain human's loyal attendance to a church:

"Surely you know that if a man can't be cured of churchgoing, the next best thing is to send him all over the neighbourhood looking for the church that 'suits' him until he becomes a taster or connoisseur of churches.

The reasons are obvious. In the first place, the parochial organisation should always be attacked because, being a unity of place and not of likings, it brings people of different classes and psychology together in the kind of unity the Enemy desires. The congregational principle, on the other hand, makes each church into a kind of club, and finally, if all goes well, into a coterie or faction. In the second place, the search for a 'suitable' church makes the man a critic where the Enemy wants him to be a pupil."

Here's the dishonesty
>Since I am a simple conservative, I don't understand whether Obama and Wright mean that all americans should be "damned by god" or just white americans?<

You're attributing Wright's comment to Obama.

"whether Obama and Wright mean"

Do you really not see how intelectually dishonest you are?



Pancho
Pancho wrote: "Quoting Cone from the 60s is a disingeuous tactic."

Quoting Obama from 2008 that a negative comment from his Grandmother about blacks a "typical white reaction" is Obama candor?

Is it a disingenuous tactic to blame me for slavery?

Is black racisim an ignorant denial of the dynamics involved in the evolution of race relations in this country.



Retired Geek
Here is the whole sermon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

NO DAMAGE DONE?
If the effects of damage are not perceived by people asleep at the wheel, B.O. needs a new name: the Artful Dodger.

Blame
>Is it a disingenuous tactic to blame me for slavery?<

Who's blaming you for slavery? When was the last time your relatives were blocked from attending public school by the National Guard on orders from the governor?

>Is black racisim an ignorant denial of the dynamics involved in the evolution of race relations in this country.<

In Cone's case, it was a response to institutional racism that is supported by facts. I can understand why you would refuse to honestly evaluate how black racism would extend into the 1960s when slavery was abolished in the 1860s. It's called myopia.

Pancho
Is it intelectually dishonest to believe that someone who selects a mentor and spiritual advisor and is capable of being POTUS should hold at least some of his mentors views?

Is it intelectually dishonest to believe that Obama selected a mentor and spiritual advisor and he and his family sit and listen to that spiritual guides teaching for 20 years and didn't know anything about it?

What is your definition of Intellectual Dishonesty?

Blame
I find it incredulous that you actually believe that I am not being blamed for slavery? You realize that I am Scottish?

In the evolution of race relations I am being blamed for what happened in the 60's??? I should not blame Cone for the 60's. I think I get your logic now - maybe. Keep trying.

ex-Wyomingite
Your welcome! The exact policy on removing troops, might be a little but of politicking, because, as Samantha Powers told a reporter, very wisely, Obama can't make concrete decisions on the troop removal because that sort of thing can change, practically over night. One can't be ridged on military moves. If there is one thing I agree on is that we shouldn't have left Afghanistan after they helped us kick out the USSR. We have seen what can happen by negligence.

Pancho
I need more guidance from you.

I do NOT like the black thug who attacked my wife in the parking lot of a mall in broad daylight.

I DO like the heroic young black man who defended her and made sure she was secure and then called the police.

I DO want the black thug who shot my son-in-law in the back of his head and killed him executed. I helped the black Police officer who tracked down his killer and arrested him receive an award.

Am I a racist?

PANCHO

.....Let me see if I get your drift ...WorldNet Daily is biased but James Cone is not? ...have I got it? ...is that your unbiased opinion? ...

.....I quoted Cone's words as he wrote them ...has he rejected Black Theology? ...has Wright? ...has Obama? ...

.....Obama still belongs to the Triny Church ...have they changed their mission? ...

.....I think you are a brain-washed Liberal like Lilly and that all you do is spout the Party Line ...

.....And yes I am biased ...I am biased against people who are followers of Marx ...Hillary, Obama and the Democrat Party and I will do everything in my power to defeat them .....COLOSSUS

Yes and No
>Is it intelectually dishonest to believe that someone who selects a mentor and spiritual advisor and is capable of being POTUS should hold at least some of his mentors views?<

No, it is intellectually dishonest to assume that Obama would hold the most radical views of said mentor, especially in light of the fact that Obama has denounced the most radical views and there is no indication that he has ever embraced, much less espoused these most radical views.

Obviously Obama's position that he had no inkling of Wright's hate whitey views is indefensible. It is not much of a reach to believe that Obama's influence on Wright as a moderating force was more the case than Wright's influence on Obama as a hate whitey proponent.





Dialogue On Race?
You want to talk about race? Good, bring it on. Americans (of the non-black, non Hispanic persuasion) have been wanting this "dialogue" for quite a while.

Slavery, schlavery. We're sick of your wallowing in victimhood. Reparations? You don't want to go there because the blacks will be left with a net debt. They best cut their losses. Finally we've been given permission to talk about affirmative action, minority set asides and corporate shakedowns. We'll be able to analyze why Asians and Indians from India do well in America while others are mired in welfare, dependency, drug abuse, illegitimate parenthood and victimhood.

Let's chat.

Sometimes I wonder
>WorldNet Daily is biased but James Cone is not? ...have I got it? ...is that your unbiased opinion? ...<

Where did I say James Cone was not biased? My claim is that your view is based on one article as opposed to any real attempt to research Cone and form an informative opinion based on more than an article with the obvious agenda advanced by WND.

Not suprising, since your knowledge of Marx is equally as limited, even though you seem to think you're some kind of expert on the subject, so much so that you eager to put the Marx label to use whether it has any validity or not.

How embarrassing for you.

OBAMA'S BELIEF SYSTEM

.....According to the mission of the Trinty Church that ascribes to Black Theology as preached by Jeremiah Wright ...


"All white men are responsible for white oppression. It is much too easy to say, "Racism is not my fault," or "I am not responsible for the country's inhumanity to the black man...But insofar as white do-gooders tolerate and sponsor racism in their educational institutions, their political, economic and social structures, their churches, and in every other aspect of American life, they are directly responsible for racism...Racism is possible because whites are indifferent to suffering and patient with cruelty. Karl Jaspers' description of metaphysical guilt is pertinent here. 'There exists among men, because they are men, a solidarity through which each shares responsibility for every injustice and every wrong committed in the world, and especially for crimes that are committed in his presence or of which he cannot be ignorant.' " [Black Theology and Black Power, p. 24]

.....Sounds like Cone is describing the Democrat Party ...White men are racists ...Black men are victims ...is that it? .....COLOSSUS

ex-Wyomingite writes:
What if it turns out they don't need you at all?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Right, good luck with that scenario!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

Can you take another look?
I don't think anything I could say would change the minds of some of the bloggers here. Setting aside all of the rhetoric that is pushed to the extreme it helps sometime to just to stop and be quiet and really listen and really look.

I am of the age that is supposed to be voting for Hillary, (I guess that means so old and so set in our ways we can't change our distorted aged minds so we gravitate to the familiar).

I do remember the Clinton years. I do remember the constant soap opera played out before us, and I remember that it was then that this aggressive polarization of America really began in earnest. When arguments don’t have any merit, slam your opponents is the mentality behind this polarization.

I know what I saw in the Clinton White house, and I know that Obama has suffered at the hands of the slander coming from the Clinton Machine. And I understand the fears that some might have about Wright and what he said. I must tell you I have been to churches like that in my old life, and know where they are coming from which is understood by the congregation, but can’t be by those looking in from the outside.

It comes from a common teaching known to most Christians and was probably taught on in this particular church a lot. Coming from a Bible verse that says if you repress the poor, and persecute the innocent, God will dam you and cause those things to come upon you instead, so be sure that you treat the poor and the innocent carefully because God is watching.

I know that Obama is not perfect and will make mistakes, but I truly do think he has a heart to do the right thing and I think we should give him a chance. He is the better choice believe me.

baseballdoc writes:
[Black Theology and Black Power, p. 24]

Come on now be fair. He only went to that church for what, 20 Years? Do you think he had time to make it to pg 24?

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

Dustyo
Give him a chance with your Nation? Let him babysit your dog, if you want to give him a chance as a break-in period. This is not a high school football team where you can substitute if he proves to be not good enough. Take your chances with someone else's country, not mine. You cannot imagine how stupid your "give him a chance" comment reads to me. I forgot he has a good heart, that excuses absolutely nothing.

Obama & Clinton
plain and simple, I won't vote for either of these two because they are Socialists. That is not what our founders wanted. More dependency on government is bad for America! If you don't like it here, then leave! go live in a socialist country & then tell me how great it is.

Dustyo writes:
Can you take another look?

In a word, No. I know God wants us to forgive and forget, but first these people would have to repent and ask God for forgiveness for what hate words have been spewed. And I do not see any of them doing so, and do not think we will. Well other than B. Hussein Obama trying to placate people and ends up throwing his white grandmother under the bus.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

We don't want the Old ways again
I clearly remember when Clintons left office after eight years of craziness. Our Air Force one plane was trashed and things stolen. A lot of Our computers in the white house were put out of commission, and there was a tangle of a money trails that showed very questionable creative dabbling without permission from one fund to another. There were criminals let out of prison for money paid to family members. I also remember that when the Clintons left the White House that our Military was so depleted we would have found it almost impossible to defend America. The money for the military had supposedly been redirected elsewhere. I remember Bill and Hillary working some of their magic deals going to Oregon and without a single vote, taking the timber lands and placing them in government control. They said that profit from the lands taken would be funneled back into Oregon for schools, but now, that money has been taken away. So Lies and more lies and taxation and taking of property without representation in anyway goes on. Obama can't do worse in the White House than the Clintons or the Bushes have done. Is it possible that you really want McCain in the White House? Why not give Obama a try? This old person set in her ways and all feels he should be given a chance.

Not really
>Sounds like Cone is describing the Democrat Party ...White men are racists ...Black men are victims ...is that it? .....<

Most of the Southern Democratic Dixiecrats like Faubus, Wallace, Byrd and(originally) Thurmond were racists.

Are you suggesting that black kids denied entrance to high school by the National Guard on prders from the governor are not victims?

Is that it?

He has a heart? so what!
I have a heart too, and I have made some bad decisions in my life. If I were running for President, I would have to convince you that I have sincerely made changes in my life. for me, Obama hasn't done enough to convince me that he totally rejects the rhetoric of pastor wright. For one, he should stop being a member of that church. I actually distrust his wife more than I do him.

Obama Channel
MSNBC has released a poll saying 69 % of people who saw Obama speech say he did a good job.
A few little problems with the poll. The people who watched the speech were hard core Obama supporters. The people he needed to reach. White blue collar workers were at work. I suspect they had already made up their mind about Obama and his pastor. I would assume they are not logging on to hear the speech. One other thing. People lie to pollsters especially about race.
The polls have continued to be wrong over and over. Nice try MSNBC.

Obama & Wright Are Wrong
As bad as Wright's horrible screaming and cursing God is,Obama is much more dangerous.God will deal with Wright at the appropriate time.We have to deal with him NOW.

He is a smooth talking charlatan,propped up ang groomed for big things in the future.Until the hedonistic"preacher" was unleashed for all to see and hear,he looked unstoppable.Folks are looking at him a little differently now.

He has decided to be black,now,so Hillary(the missus of the "first black president")will lose the black vote. He is just using them. If elected,what will he be? White,Muslim,black? Who knows? I know...he must be stopped.

fair and evenhanded
GET IT? what am I supposed to get again?

Obama Apologists
Obama and his apologists argue that their morality is simply a product of their culture and experience. Their morality cannot be understood by those outside their culture. Absolutes that apply to all races and cultures are non-existent or meaningless.

Liberals thrive on moral relativism. Liberals live in a universe of ME and are trapped in limbo, neither children nor adults. Their arrested development results in labeling, name calling, inane comments, pointing to other aberrant behaviour to justify their own. The only absolutes they own is moving targets.

Give Obama a "chance" because he sat in 20 years of hate speech and racisim and is willing to say he "doesn't agree" with it - but not willing to denounce the perpetrator.




Dustyo
You scare me. The most important man in the world is the President of the United States and you want to give some rookie a chance. You are certifiably insane. In recent years your thinking has been the cause of this string of inept Leaders we have had-you must always pick the most qualified person for the job. This is not a social experiment; we should not pick our President based on skin color, type of sexual plumbing, ability to give a speech (a worthless Presidential trait), age, religion, or any other Social classification. The key qualifier should be the "DEMONSTRATED" capability to lead and govern.

ex-Wyomingite
"Also, we were never really "in" Afghanistan except in a covert way during the Mujahadeen uprising, so it's kind of backwards to say "they" helped "us" and we should have stayed. We weren't really "there" in much the same way we weren't "in" Vietnam prior to the fall of Diem."

Your right. They helped us in this way, to bring down the USSR, which Afghanistan had a hand in doing. I agree with you about the "politicking" word and reasoning. I should know went to shut up.

Free Will Choice
Obama exercised his free will when he chose for himself, his family and their souls to be guided by a hate mongerer and racist. He and he alone is responsible for that choice and its consequences.

Americans now are asked to trust that same free will choice Obama made for his family with our families - I am responsible and I alone for my choices and consequences and I do not intend to trust that "rookie" or give him a chance.

I'm greatful to corporate America
Or I wouldn't have a job and I doubt you would too, Like I said, you don't like America, then please leave

How to Deflect Criticism
Obama borrowed his technique of deflecting criticism from another much-admired black hero, O. J. Simpson whose success in this skill is legendary. However, this skill is not confined to any race, but is popular everywhere.

When caught supporting or engaging in something evil, claim victimhood yourself, thus shifting the focus from all those you've harmed to yourself. Extend this victimhood to your group, if possible, despite trillions of taxpayers' money being directed to help your group and preferential treatment clearing the path to success. If you can soften your voice, flutter your eyelashes and look hurt, as Obama did during the fake interview with Anderson Cooper - all the better. Lots of people will feel sorry for you, forgetting your previous endorsement, backed by your financial contributions, to a philosophy of hate and a wish for the destruction of a race that your own mother belonged to.

Can you take another look? No!
We will only move into a post racial environment when we treat everyone and I mean everyone equally. If a white politician had sat for five minutes in a church while the pastor uttered racially charged venom and this became public, that person would be out of the race and public life.

It is inconceivable that anyone could excuse the Senator's behavior. Racism is unacceptable. Senator Obama is not bringing us together; he is tearing us apart. And the longer he stays in public life, the deeper the division will be.

Fairand evenhanded
TALK TO IRAN? ooooookay what would you say to Iran? how about if you saw a bully raping a woman in an ally, what would you do. would you talk to the bully and say " you really shouldn't do that" "peace" personally, I would grab something and hit that SOB over the head

Retired Greek:
Interesting posts. Thanks.

ex-Wyomingite Hello
I know the first remarks I heard from Obama regarding troop withdrawal caused concern. I then started listening closer when Obama spoke about things. Note, I just listened to Obama himself, not words quoted about what he was supposed to have said.

I heard one reporter ask him the same question you put forth and I had. And Obama said something I haven’t heard any of the other candidates say. He said I will of course, be consulting with the military people in charge in Iraq because they know more about what would be best as far as a pull out, and I need their advice. (These are my words not direct quotes)

He also went on to quote a few of the generals he has spoken to and some of the things they have said. I think that Obama is not afraid to admit when he makes a mistake, that is a valuable asset for the president to have. It gives us average Americans comfort I think.

Hillary on the other hand, will not even concede when she has made a mistake. In fact, she usually tries to attack and pull down who ever tries to get her to admit mistakes. She is more prone to cover up things. Her lack of humility, to me, makes her not a very good candidate for the office of President.

All of the really great presidents in the past came out and said they made mistakes and then put forth to the people what they were going to do to fix it.

We don’t want business as usual; staying with the old ways which is deceptively safer ones. But we have found that the old ways are not safe. Doing new things makes us anxious since we don’t know exactly what the results may be, but we need to face that fear, and not hang back.

Remember the formula of insanity: Doing the old things again and again and expecting a different result. We need change and at least Obama might be the beginning of change and then others will have take it on from his beginnings. But lets start.

Get Real
These blogs sound like the discussion topic in a psych 101 class, or a Sunday School lecture given to a youngster that just spit in the lemonade, or maybe the all knowing rant of a Judge remanding a teenager to his parents after a guilty plea for marijuana use. This we are discussing is no game, this is serious, we are trying to pick a President. Take this seriously. I do not care what kind of heart he has; can he do what is best for this country. I do not want to give him a chance; there are no second chances after a nuclear attack. I am not impressed by a good speech; I am far more comfortable with strong, well thought out acts that solve problems. I don't care if he can dance, sing, juggle, or act stupid on the Tonight Show or SNL; can he face the likes of Putin, Ahmadinejad, or OPEC and make good decisions and choices that protect and strengthen our country and its interests. Obama is not ready; he may be in 15-20 years of government seasoning but that is not a fore drawn conclusion.

Obamas' Potential
If Obama sat in a pew for 20 years chanting to himself "I see no evil, I hear no evil".

What will he do with islamic terroists - put them in time out?

Liberals are narcisstic elitists. The incessant gnawing inside them is their fear of inferiority.
They try to validate self by attacking the wisdom and knowledge of someone else.

When someone like Dr. Sowell or Justice Thomas comes along, liberals resort to despicable labels and name calling.

Liberals expect us to recognize their “superiority” and give them the special treatment and status they so richly deserve – not because of skill or what they have accomplished – but because of their unrealized potential.

When liberals proclaim Obama's 'potential' it is nothing more than a contrivance to hide the fact that he hasn't accomplished anything.

Liberals believe their very presence solves problems and relieves pain. Liberals have great disdain for those who do not see their “special” abilities and uses those who believe in them – like tissue to be disposed of when no longer needed.

So if I can summarize
Obama's speech it's that there's this Black Power Hate Whitey Church led by a man who likens the U.S. to the KKK, and that's the church I've been attending for 20 years and raised my kids in, but even though I've been attending without protest and even though I look up to that man as a mentor, that's not really me. No, no. I'm a good guy, for racial harmony and all that.

Sure, Obama. Sure.

Happiness
Happiness is seeing that intelligence and courage, and a love of liberty, though harder and harder to find, are alive and well.

JD's Handsome Son: I'm happy to know you're out there somewhere, shedding light.

Howser: Good point about the usefulness of talk versus action. I'm still laughing.

Reired Geek: You're great. I'm using your good sense and energy to strengthen my hope that liberty will survive.




Retired Geek
My first thought does not concern itself with race at all. My thought is to question the intellect of you or anyone else that lives in such a neighborhood. I strongly suggest you demand the Mayor take action to clean it up or failing that move to a safer area. Where do you live Baghdad?

Elites,Spoiled Elites.....
Most of Obama's support,I surmise,come from liberals,who are mostly from Blue States.They work at white collar jobs,if they have to work at all.Their children,little spoiled kids,have gone to the best schools.

The kids never had to work and always had the best of everything.The Kennedy's,for example.Since they did not really WORK for what they have,it is easier to give it to others less fortunate.That assuages some of their guilt.

They live in gated communities and have no problems with gangs,etc..They would never live near THOSE people.Give them some hand-outs and look the other way.

Conservatives are mostly from Red States.Blue collar workers.Shift work,etc.They work and play hard.They work with blacks,side by side,and make the same salary.They have no guilt and have done nothing to feel guilty about.That is the difference.Obama will not get their votes.

Hello Howser
I have lived in many countries throughout my long life following while my husband went from job to job.

I lived (and wept a lot) for three years in China, where the people cannot even make any choices. I was there when that oppressive government ended up killing the students ages 16-28, along with their parents who fought for their lives, in every major city throughout China.

I have lived in Islamic countries as well. I knew first hand about the chemical weapons being used to kill whole villages in Iraq, long before this last Bush took office. I talked to American men who had seen the dead men, women and children, laying where they had dropped. I didn't just read about it I was there.

And I have lived in some of the REAL socialistic countries in Europe. I know the difference between American politics and socialistic societies, but I think you may have been misinformed as to what it means.

I might add that both of our parties have acted in a way that brings us farther into socialism. I also think a lot of our people don’t know what their votes are going to do, if they even get a chance to vote on things. The elitest attitudes want to take the vote away from the people. Obama wants the people involved.

The Majority of our people ages 30 to 63, want comfort and security and to them that means they want big brother to pay the bill for them and them get off with little effort on their part. The motto then becomes: The ends justify the means as long as we get what we want. But eventually someone has to pay. And it might just be our freedoms that we loose. Obama sees this I believe.

Dustyo
"We don't want the Old ways again"


Just look around Obama… ha ha ha. Its looking more like the old guard than, well, the OLD GUARD. It’s the same old left, we see it, and know it.

Funny you mention Clintons, they were an unknown quantity in the beginning. So many of that entourage swam over to the team Obama side. Who is kidding whom?

Hello Warrior
I have seen a lot of your words and enjoy them and appreciated them.

I think an explanation is in order, What I mean when I say he has a good heart is of course a bit vague and subject to misunderstanding and misquoting, I suppose. What I mean by a good heart, is having good intentions, meaning to do good not harm, caring about others more than selfish ambitions.

I think we need to note that Obama did renounce those words of Wright, but would not renounce the man. I think that is called loyalty, when others say your friend has done bad things, you may even agree with that judgment, but you still will not abandon your friend out of loyalty. Loyalty is: you will stick with those you are committed to and work through the differences and perhaps work to change them by reason into making some changes.

McCain renounced the words Haggi said but didn't renouce the man either, and to me that pastor was attacking a specific organization,the catholic church and demonizing them, and he wasn't making generalizations.

To be or not
The question underlying it all for the millennial kids is: when or will they wake up and give a jaded view to all politics -- not just those outside of Obama. That will tell the tale. Can they recognize politics as usual and expedience?

They are half way there but will they give the same critical eye toward all in this election? And when? I have my doubts, considering the momentum and hype in this election. What’s it bode for our future? Time will tell, if they are able to break past "fainting fantasia" into reality politics.

Clinton was less experienced
Bill Clinton when he took office was younger and less experienced that Obama. It is scary to think of Hillary who is vindictive and easily angered and quickly punishes someone for the smallest things, having weapons of mass destruction in her hands, than I am of Obama.

I think Obama would at least listen to advice and get a concensus, where an older man or Hillary wouldn't. Hillary who doesn't seem to be able to admit she ever makes mistakes will never take advice from anyone but act, probably before she does much thinking about it.

Acting without thinking and not caring about the consequences is not an exclusive female quailty, but both sexes of type A personalities are prone to it, particularly when that person has a puffed up and unrealistic opinion of their importance and experinces as we have had proven when the papers were released about Hillary's job in the White House.

O Really Dustyo
Surely you jest.....
Clinton was a governor in what is Huckabee country. O-slama was a US Senator, how long, and a state senator...in a pretty politically safe area.

Speaking of making and admitting mistakes = Rezko.

Wright sent to Africa
How come no one asks Obama if he "forced" Wright to retire and then sent him to Africa so he wouldn't be around to tell his side of the story to the press?

Ex-Wy and Dustyo
Ex-Wyomingite is exactly right. Dustyo is not the standard of the left Th'ers are accustomed to seeing. Grace indeed, and deserves some space.

Michael
Always interesting to read your postings. Thanks for contributing.

ex-Wyomingite writes:
How say you on the Republican ticket?

Is that a rhetorical question? If he likes Hussein=Lib then of course he will like McQuack=Lib. That should go without saying.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

Listening to Advice
is not necessarily a virtue, Dustyo. It all depends to whom you choose to listen.

You're probably right: Obama is more likely to listen than Hillary. The question is to whom would Obama choose to listen: Rev. Right? The New Black Panther Party? Ahmedinejad? We know from past choices whom he admires and trusts. You don't change overnight. He's not as naive and helpless as liberals make him out to be.


Re: When good men do nothing
"Does anyone seriously think that Barack Obama with all his intelligence and racial insight secretly shares the over the top '60's Radical' views expressed in the sermons of 2001 of his 'adopted uncle' which he has repeatedly denounced? He has vigorously disagreed with and denounced Wright's hyperbolic rhetoric that is based on Wright's anger and bitterness which Obama understands but doesn't share. But some mixture of his mother's secular humanism and his own Christian beliefs will never allow Obama to disown his 'adopted uncle'."

Unfortunately for your naive, illogical analysis, Barry Obama didn't denounce his "spiritual mentor" until he was FORCED to. In fact, he did not denounce it at all. Instead he made excuses for it based on the very same "hyperbolic rhetoric" lies on which it was based.

Exactly what type of Christianity was the young Obama indoctrinated with by his "'60 Radical" "adopted uncle"? Apparently it was a heretical form known as "Black Liberation Theology", where "the God of Moses" morphs into a Christianize form the "Avenging Allah". This is a theology that embraces the "Culture of Death", rather than the "Culture of Life" of true Chrisitianity. In Obama's mind while the black slave is deserving of the personhood entitling them to the "unalienable Rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" the unborn human baby can be denied such personhood, and therefore may be murdered, even if born alive during a botched abortion by cruel neglect and starvation. Of course the unborn can't vote and feminists can.

This vain man is not a true Chrisitan. Instead, Barry Obama is truly a devious, evil man. If he were a true Christian he would have challenged his "adopted uncle" on his posinous "gospel" which is doing incalcuable damage to his flock and our Nation.

Warrior
You know, Warrior, I want to thank you for your respect. Eff you. I simply asked a question, without rancor or vitriol. and I get insults back.

Yeah, you're a class act. I won't ever bother you again, sir.

Re: When good men do nothing
Barry Obama trumpets his Harvard Law Degree yet he cannot see the simularity of the two worst US Supreme Court decision history, if we are to believe that we are a Nation founded on the "Self-evident Truths" of the Declaration of Independence.

These decisions were the Taney Court's 1857 Dred Scott v. Sanford and the Burger Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade. The basic principle established in these two horrific court decisions is that "all men" are not entitled to the "unalienable Rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness (Property)", only "persons" are. In Dred Scott, the court establish that God does not establish who may be entitled to "equality" nor "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness", but man can and did in our Constitution when black African Slaves were counted for apportionment of Congressional representation as merely 3/5 persons. Hence they were not entitle to the Creator Endowed Rights of Men so therefore the slaveholder's Property Rights trumps the Slave's non-existing "Right of Liberty"

The Court's decision is much worse, as the had not even the "fig leaf" of Constitutionality in defining the personhood of the unborn human found in Dred Scott. Instead the Burger took it upon itself to establish the non-personhood of the unborn using some quasi-scientific mumbo-gumbo involving "trimesters". In the end, the egregious court decided that the "Right of Liberty" of privacy (a term not used anywhere in our Constitution) trumps the unborn "non-person" human baby's non-existent "unalienable Right to Life".

Interestly, Harvard Lawyer, Barry Obama, condemns the Taney Court for its terrible Dred Scott v. Sanford decision, while he embraces the Burger Court's worst Roe v. Wade, despite the fact Roe has murdered far more blacks than did Dred Scott. Go figure!

Dustvo
I am not an expert on European governments but I believe that most nations over there have their federal governments subsidizing, funding, and controlling much more than is true in the United States. Many Americans hear the word "socialism" or "federalism" and react as if the devil has appeared in a puff of smoke. What I have seen, traveling in Europe, is an infrastructure that looks about 500% better than ours. I remember gorgeous ultra-modern train stations and airports, fast efficient trains going everywhere often, perfect highways, perfect public transportation, wonderful streets and parks and pedestrianized shopping districts with benches and music and, in short, cities and nations designed for the people and not just so that somebody could make a profit.

One image that keeps popping into my head is an escalator in Zurich by which one descends from the main shopping street to a passageway leading into the main train station---that escalator is always shining and clean. Where I live in the United States I have frequent occasion to take an escalator in a train station, and it is always filthy and rusty and looks as if somebody vomited on about every other step and also down the walls. Why do we have to live this way? Is this the price of not having government-controlled infrastructure? I wonder where the benefit lies.

Those evil, government-subsidized countries have gleaming white clean subway stations: check out ours. Scandinavian parks are pretty: ours often are not. Europe has trains going everywhere: we, sadly, do not.

Attachments
Good point, ex-Wyomingite, about the reasons why someone like Obama, at 47 years of age, is still hanging around a strong-willed, flamboyant father-figure with his finger permanently held up in derision to his country, and to white people in particular.

Turn off the sound in the videos of Rev. Wright's speeches and read his body language. Watch Wright's gestures and movements , his glances at his audience to measure his power over them.

Other pieces of a puzzle: Why is Obama's wife so angry and bitter, reportedly frequently making negative comments about her husband and men in general? If Obama is not a vicious but just an ordinary racist, then what is his attraction to a vicious one, and why was he so quick to sacrifice the dedicated-to-his-welfare and loyal-to-him part of his family in order to save his relationship to Wright?

Just asking. It's natural to be curious about people who want power over you.

Re: Your lying eyes
"He said I will of course, be consulting with the military people in charge in Iraq because they know more about what would be best as far as a pull out, and I need their advice. (These are my words not direct quotes)"

As a Senator, Barry Obama, has the authority to consult any US military people he desires. In fact, he is voting every day (when actually get around to voting, as he voted "present" nearly 200 times as a IL State Senator) and if he as uninformed on these matters as he claim, then his is voting out of ignorance. Worst, the bigger platform in his Presidential Candidacy has been his "Uncompromising Vow to Immediately Begin Drawing Troops From Iraq". Again, if as he states he is qualified to make such a decison due to lack of knowledge, then his campaign rhetoric is uninformed and worse a propaganda victory for our enemies.

Had Obama cared about this issue at all, he would have been with John McCain in Iraq getting the information he himself admits he lacks. Anyone truly worthy of consideration for Command-in-Chief could do no less. That is the reason I will never take Barry Obama's run for the Presidency of the United States seriously.

Re: A rose by any other name
"Dustyo is a female. Stand up and take your hat off when a lady enters the room, you ill-mannered hayseed."

Spoken like a true "male chauvinist pig"!

Mike: Wright Was Silenced?
If you have remained conscious in the United States and have had access to television over the past two weeks, you must surely have noticed that Barack Obama was not in control of Jeremiah Wright. Nor, in his famous speech about this matter, did Obama seem to feel that he should be controlling Jeremiah Wright.

As for his retirement, I found Wright on Wikipedia and see that he is now 67 years old, held the same pastorate for 36 years, and achieved a BA, two Masters' degrees, a doctorate, and eight honorary doctorates. Do you think it's unusual for a man at that stage of life to retire?

Your suggestion was that Obama arranged Wright's retirement so the good pastor couldn't "tell his side of the story". Ye gods, what all the uproar is about is that Wright DID tell his side of the story. We all saw this on endless loop on FOX, day after day. Your theory might make sense if Wright had mysteriously disappeared two years ago. Not now.

Warrior
The question is, who is ready? Surely you jest if you think it's McCain, who on his first "look presidential" trip was so confused that he, not once but several times, showed in a speech that he didn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, Shiites and Al Qaeda. This wasn't a slip of the tongue. It wasn't an error in translation. It was, in a word, evidence that he doesn't know much---except that he really, really, really likes war. Could anything be more frightening than that?

McCain is a bumbling elder who has been dining out on his POW experience for forty years. He's yesterday. Hillary has shown in this campaign that she has the ethics of a rattlesnake, and her "connections" are from fifteen years ago. She's yesterday. Obama has shown himself to be bright, articulate, thoughtful, determined, principled, and creative. He's tomorrow.

Re: Pastor Obama
The real problem I have with Barry Obama's distancing himself from his "adopted uncle" and personal spiritual mendor is if he truly believes as he states, that America is the greatest Nation in history, and that he deserves to lead her because only he can make the changes necessary to unite all the people, why wasn't he able to change the hearts and vitolic rhetoric of his pastor and his congregation? Considering his "Unity Speech", there are only two possibilities. Either Barry Obama tried to change this racist old man's heart and failed, which makes his ability to do so for our country at least very suspect. Or, he agreed with Rev. Wright's anti-American bigoty and didn't even try.

I believe to support Barry Obama for President he needs to answer the question why he could not affect the change in his own church that he promises bring to our Nation.

Of course, if he tried and failed, then the best thing brother Obama can do for his country is to drop out of politics, sign-up at a divinty school, earn a degree in theology, become an ordained minister, form his own congregation in the same neighborhood as that of the evil Rev. Wright, and try to bring the victims of Pastor Wright's ugly segregating theology back into the Light! His wife earns $1 million in her PR job with a local hospital, so his family shouldn't starve while Barry Obama is busy saving souls.

Re: Monumental stupidity
"Surely you jest if you think it's McCain, who on his first "look presidential" trip was so confused that he, not once but several times, showed in a speech that he didn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, Shiites and Al Qaeda."

No, what he said is that the Iranian Republic Guard special forces are supporting al Qaeda in Iraq in order to force US Forces out of the country and off their Western border, a jointly held goal of the Iranian Shia and the al Qaeda Sunni.

It has been well documented that al Qaeda, supposely from the Sunni branch of the Islamic tree supported Iranian Shi'ite terrorists in attacking the Kobar Towers in Sunni Saudi Arabia. When it comes to the Great Satan, all flavors of radical Islam will work together to kill Americans and Jews. (See Hezbollah's support of Hamas in Gaza as an example.) Only the monumentally stupid and naive would think otherwise.

Re: Pastor Obama
"If you have remained conscious in the United States and have had access to television over the past two weeks, you must surely have noticed that Barack Obama was not in control of Jeremiah Wright. Nor, in his famous speech about this matter, did Obama seem to feel that he should be controlling Jeremiah Wright."

Really? But isn't Barry Obama supposed to be the "Great Uniter" and the Bringer of Change"? If he can't control the ranting of his "old adopted uncle" how can he hope to control the rest of bigotic tearing our United States apart?

Re: Chauvinists of the World Unite
"Spoken by somebody who was brought up right."

Not according to Ms Magazine!

How come...
..the sytematic plan to eliminate blacks is never condemned by blacks??? It's called Planned Parenthood. It was founded for that exact purpose, but apparently blacks ignore the white run institution of death.

Re: The Unborn don't vote
"How come... the sytematic plan to eliminate blacks is never condemned by blacks??? It's called Planned Parenthood. It was founded for that exact purpose, but apparently blacks ignore the white run institution of death."

Because in the mind of folks like Rev. Wright, Barry Obama and DNC, Margaret Sangar is a Saint while Mother Thersea is an oprressor.

Re: Intergenerational Warfare
"McCain is a bumbling elder who has been dining out on his POW experience for forty years. He's yesterday."

Ah! The ugly smell generationalism enters the debate from campaign to end racism as we know it. Way to unite are country you anti-aged Obamanite!

Re: Sarah was over 90 when she had Issac
"As for his retirement, I found Wright on Wikipedia and see that he is now 67 years old, held the same pastorate for 36 years, and achieved a BA, two Masters' degrees, a doctorate, and eight honorary doctorates."

Proving beyond a doubt that knowledge is not necessarily wisdom. Based on his gyrations demonstrated in his "Greatest Video Hits" the Rev. Wright has all the moves Bill Clinton interviewing White House interns.

Since civl rights legislation,
all poor urban blacks' problems come from white liberal ideas:
free and constant sex,
illegal drugs taken by choice,
rotten schools created by stupid liberals,
urban crime that comes with drugs and sex,
and illegitimacy promoted by feminazis who think women raising families without male input or support is sophisticated and desirable.
No amount of money or gov't activity can cure the above when liberals still espouse and embrace them as ways of living.
Obama also embraces all modern liberalisms' facets and even wants more of them to the tune of $1.7 billion. Hillary famously said she had so many ideas for changing Am. that the nation couldn't afford her. It can't afford Obama either.


Lilly
The people in those socialistic countries have to pay 46 per cent of what they earn to those wonderful governments that you talk about. And other than Luxembourg, and possibly Germany, butfor sure England, Romania, and Canada, the medical care is horrible. You have to be on a waiting list for 1-2 years before you can have needed surgery. Needless to say quite a few die before that date comes.

I am not mentioning China's health care because it is undescrible in terms of health or care, more like a it is like a scary movie scene.

Re: National Insecurity
"It was, in a word, evidence that he doesn't know much---except that he really, really, really likes war. Could anything be more frightening than that?"

Another President Jimmy Carter in the White House playing Commander-in-Chief during the War on Islamofascism!

Obama is .. tomorrow
lilli:
"Obama has shown himself to be bright, articulate, thoughtful, determined, principled, and creative. He's tomorrow."

and very scary!!!!

Last Ray of hope.

Re: Medical malpractice
"I am not mentioning China's health care because it is undescrible in terms of health or care, more like a it is like a scary movie scene."

Don't forget Cuba. Even Castro outsourced his critical surgery to a Spanish surgeon.

thevegasstyleguy
There were accusations from both sides that the voting in Texas was messed with. Some Hillary people turning Obama supporters away at the doors. And I read on one of the blogs that Hillary was complaining about Obama supporters doing the same.

xpressit
Yes, I know about the Clintons in my home state of Arkansas. I know that it wasn't until Huckabee got into office that Arkansas had decent roads. Huckabee did what the Clintons didn't bother doing, they were too busy seeing Prisoner's blood to other countries and getting money for it and all of the other crazy stuff they were involved in while they were sitting in the office of Governor, note: sitting is not acting like a governor.

Did you know that one time, Hillary was a lawyer for the Black Panthers?

Brilliant Solution
John Acton,

for Obama's dilemma: desiring (at least in words, for the public) unity, while participating in action to divide the country.

What an admirable way to prove he means what he says by atoningly earning a Reverend title and working to repair the damage his spiritual mentor, the Rev. Wright, with support of people like Obama, has done to religion, and black and white people everywhere. That would contribute greatly to people learning to just get along. Forget the unity thing. It always involves coercion. Even members of the same family disagree. Disagreement means freedom.

Re: Me against you
"They will join in Holy War against us, and as soon as we leave, slaughter each other like the Hutus and Tutsis on crystal meth."

Even noter 14th Century Moslem historian, Ibn Khaldun, noted in his study of the cultures that adopted Islam that tribalism is the key. Tribal cultures that gave birth to Islam have an order of warring alliance that goes:

Me against my brother; my brothers and me against the rest of my family; me and my family; against my tribe; and me and my tribe against everyone else.

The success of the House of Saud in ruling the diverse tribes of Saudi Arabia is based primary on King Abdullah's ability to married his many sons and daughters to the sons and daughters of the leaders of the most powerful leaders of the other powerful tribes in his kingdom.

Re: Fruits of secular socialism
"And tell us of the suicide rates in Sweden and Norway where the government nurses you from birth to death. Even self-induced death!"

And don't forget the socialist utopia of the Netherlands, where the "damnable resource consuming aged" are afraid to go to free State run hospital for fear that they will "offed" by some young State educated intern who feels that the old folks "quality of life" doesn't bode well for their continuing to live.

Re: The American Umbrella
"I am not an expert on European governments but I believe that most nations over there have their federal governments subsidizing, funding, and controlling much more than is true in the United States."

Of course, Europe has the American people to thank for their security as they refuse to provide for their own self-defense. However, despite our carrying this extremely heavy load for them, we don't even get a little "thank you". For figure!

Re: The rigors of bigotry
"As for his retirement, I found Wright on Wikipedia and see that he is now 67 years old, held the same pastorate for 36 years, and achieved a BA, two Masters' degrees, a doctorate, and eight honorary doctorates. Do you think it's unusual for a man at that stage of life to retire?"

If I am not mistaken the great, truly Christian evangelist, Billy Graham, continued his amazing ministry well into his 80s. Apparently being a prophet of bigotry and racism is much harder on the body than is a life professing the real "Good News", to say nothing of its effect on the soul.

THE EDUCATION OF LILLY

.....My poor child ...

.....The countries in Europe do not have Federal Governments ...most are Socialist or Parlimentary ...in addition most European Countries are ethnocentric and smaller than Texas ...

.....If you have some time on your hands read the "Federalist Papers" they will help you understand what kind of Government we are supposed to have .....COLOSSUS

LILLY

.....I am sure that you are unaware that you are a racist? ...according to James Cone, founder of Black Theology which is the foundation of Obama's church ...if you are born white then you are a racist by that very fact ...sort of like original sin ...he calls your type "white do-gooders" but you are still guilty of racism even if you are unaware of it .....COLOSSUS

OJ
The Wright sermons have probably not been a problem for Obama with black voters -- they have heard this kind of thing before. And while it may be off-putting, it will not prompt them to reconsider their votes or diminish their enthusiasm.

Well I mean after all it was blacks who set OJ Simpson free after OJ murdered Nicole.

Re: E pluribus unum "Out of Many, One".
".....The countries in Europe do not have Federal Governments ...most are Socialist or Parlimentary ...in addition most European Countries are ethnocentric and smaller than Texas ..."

Actually, many do. Switzerland, for instance, is governed by a "Federal" system of governments. Besides the National (Central) Government, the Swiss have 3 Cantons, similare to our States. Like are Constitution divides the governmental responsibilities between the States and Federal goverment, the Swiss Constitution grant the authority to their National government for National Defense, Foreign Relations, Treasury, and Currency regulation. Virtually all other aspects of governance are the authority of the Cantons.

Federal - pertaining to or of the nature of a union of states under a central government distinct from the individual governments of the separate states: the federal government of the U.S.

Many think that "division of powers" that the Framers used in our Constitution to insure a limited government for a free People is the three competing branches of the Federal (Central) - the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches. However, a further division of power is also recognized in our Federal Constitution. This is the distribution of power between the Nation and State Governments, and also to "the People". The 2nd Amendment, along with parts of the First recognize both political, as well as, the military power of "the People".

Socialism is merely a political/economic philosophy. Parlimentary is merely a form of government where the Legislative branch controls the Executive. The government of the US is a Republic - theoretically a "government of laws and not men". Virtually all European governments are republics.

Re: No loyalty at all
"Did you know that one time, Hillary was a lawyer for the Black Panthers?"

Apparently that kind gesture done her no good at all, as the Black Panther Party has endorsed Barry Obama.

I See the Light
One thing is perfectly clear from these posts. the divide between Black and White America is again alive and well. Thank you Barak Obama, thank you Reverend Wright, for inciting the races back to the dividing line, putting race relations near square one and bringing it all back to the boiling point. If it hadn't been for you, the rest of us wouldn't have remembered a distinction of color.

Reality is no Friend to O .
I am watching and reading Oboma real life unfold in compete opposites of what he said.. does in life and simply life he has lived for the past 20 years..that is only since he was outed we hear him cry white foul ball ? Sorry Oboma Your the old scandal ridden Black Socks . it's your brand of blackness and pure hate minister is the cause for your strike three .Your kicked out of the game Bra !
If a so called white Christian married man secretly
hung out in back street nasty hoods and attended strip clubs regular and got Lap dances at $ 100.00 a dance often for 20 years and the Club's Owner was his mentor you would not believe he was a moral man or honored his marriage no matter what he said later.
Mr Oboma it's too late for real Americans that believe in basic reality , reason and common sense #101.

Re: E pluribus unum "Out of Many, One".
"Forget the unity thing. It always involves coercion."

Not so, it is basis of all republican governments, which are formed by men in nature in order to secure their "Creator endowed, unalienable Rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness (Property)". Of course, that doesn't preclude varying views on how these governments should be formed, and who shall make the rules and enforce them. In a representative democratic republic, that means that those who participate in a election agree to be governed by its outcome. Of course, that is major problem with the Democratic Party. To them the election is never over until they get their way. They will count all the fallen chads until they win, and call the counting over. Please note which Party wants to change the rules in the middle of the game and then sues to try to change the democratic outcome.

Re: The people's party
"One thing is perfectly clear from these posts. the divide between Black and White America is again alive and well. Thank you Barak Obama, thank you Reverend Wright, for inciting the races back to the dividing line, putting race relations near square one and bringing it all back to the boiling point. If it hadn't been for you, the rest of us wouldn't have remembered a distinction of color."

You ain't seen nothing yet! Wait until the management of the Democratic take the nomination away from the now damaged Barry Obama and give it to Billary at the Denver Convention by weight of the Super-delegate vote. Denver, Watts, and Newark are toast once more! "I love the smell of tear gas in the morning. It smells like a GOP victory."

Here's what's clear
>One thing is perfectly clear from these posts.<

Yes, the name Townhall should be changed to Redneckhall. I'm sure you're fine with black people, as long as they don't date your sister or daughter.

Re: No hyphenated Japanese
"Muslims are the most racist, xenophobic, hateful and malevolent people on earth."

You have to admit the Japs come in a close second, though.

Re: Dare thy look into the mirror
"Yes, the name Townhall should be changed to Redneckhall. I'm sure you're fine with black people, as long as they don't date your sister or daughter."

Au Contraire, mon ami! I thank God every night that my black daughter-in-law, mother of 3 of my grand kids, was kind enough to not reject my son's love, and married him. Interestingly, the most bigotry this great couple seems to face comes not from whites but from racist blacks.

My black daughter-in-law is one of my personal heroes. She managed to raise 3 great kids while getting her teaching degree. That takes real guts. As a teacher, her students continuely out perform the standards, and she has received a number of competitive bonuses for exceptional performance in getting the most out of her students despite her consistently being given the least performing kids. My granddaughter, who is still in the 7th grade was chosen to take advanced SAT's, although her scores have yet to released.

Of course, the term "redneck" is at least as bigoted an expression as anything you might care to call a black, but unlike similar racist slurs, your use of same still remains "politically correct". However, unlike most minorities, the recipients of your ugly slur have "thick skins", and merely considers the source, rather then displaying any theatrical rage.

Hola Pancho, que tal
You epitomize my point.

Re: White Watergate
"I know that it wasn't until Huckabee got into office that Arkansas had decent roads."

Except if you happen to live the development called White Water Estates, then you had first class roads. Proving once more it isn't what you know, but who you know that matters.

cousin B
Brer Rabbit fan? See my blog for a parody that fits the topic.

John Acton
Do you wonder about the purpose of all this race demagoguery?

Some of the black(?) posters seem to be trying their best to undo the last 40 years of racial progress.
Make you wonder if they are really just bellicose black people who are extremely stupid or if they might be white racists posing as black people and trying to anger white people to vote against Obama?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/its_time_to_call_the _democrats.html

ex-Wyomingite
I am a registered Republican. For many years when I was much younger I was an automatic registered Democrat, simply because good Southerners were Democrats. When I realized that the Democratic party that used to be for the working man and the poor of the United States quit being that and became the party of the very rich and entitled types I registered as a Republican.

My plans were to vote for a Republican and I began watching all of the candidates, Democrats as well. I listened to Obama on television a couple of times and was intrigued. There were just snippets of things, but I was impressed. I set up things like: If I hear him say this then I will know that he isn't what he appears to be.

I heard many things on the blogs about this or that he was for or not for, and I thought that's the end of him, but then... I would hear him say something that told me the blogs hadn't told the whole truth. I decided to listen to what the others, his opponents were saying about him. I watched most all of the news channels when they were discussing candidates and Obama still worked. And Hillary hates him too much which for me tells me a lot.

I had wanted to vote for a Republican and kept hunting for someone I thought was ‘it’. McCain seemed too Democrat and Romney was too slick like a used car salesman and so on... I did like Huckabee, but couldn't see him as president, if McCain had chosen Huckabee for a running mate I would have stayed with the Republicans for Huckabee. I wrote and told Obama he should consider him for Vice President. I didn't get any response, can you believe that? (grin)


Dustyo
“Yes, I know about the Clintons * in my home state of Arkansas. I know that it wasn't until Huckabee got into office that Arkansas had decent roads”

**Gov experience

I was referring to the executive experience, 100% more than Obama has – even if it left a lot to be desired.

"Did you know that one time, Hillary was a lawyer for the Black Panthers?"

Yea, its old news. I know about her schmoozing too. Did you note the former Panthers backing Obama, or Farrakhan etc., or Rezko dealings?



Re: Consider the source
"Do you wonder about the purpose of all this race demagoguery?"

The perfect political strom has descended on the Democratic Party - a contest between the two legs of leftist elitism in the party. This was bound to happen. The "race baiter wing" form the perfect Trogan Horse - Barack Hussein Obama, a.k.a. Barry Obama because it is a sin to use his Islamic names. Anyway, the Jr. Senator from Illinois, with all of 3 years political history in the that State's Senate from a seat witha 76% black voter population, managed to duck every important state issue that came before that body during his short career (nearly 200 "Present" votes).

This blank slate was the darling of the MSM, so no one, save possibly his home town newspaper did a proper job vouching this neophyte dirty linen. The Rev. Wright story was out there, but no one considered as a "serious" journalist, picked up on it. Just as they ignored his tight connection to a Saddam Hussein frontman Antoin Rezko, nor "followed the money".

Low and behold, this untested, unknown commodity was suddenly heir to Democratic throne, and BAM - there is an "Ethiopian in his kindling" named Jeremiah Wright. Oh, what to do? Catch between the provebial "rock and a hard place", the Democrats can't dump there soiled merchandise, so the start throwing up dirt and hope that some of it might stick. And thought this was going to be a dull election year!

Democrat fratricide is so much fun to watch - "it gives me a tingling sensation up my leg!"

John Acton
BOTH of the Conventions are going to be interesting.

Our choices are;
An unqualified woman without executive experience.
Why would she be more qualified than any other woman?

An unqualified black man without executive experience.
Why is he more qualified than any other black man?

An unqualified POW without executive experience.
What makes him more qualified than other POWs?

We will be training a President on the job in wartime!
I sure hope we end up with a qualified Congress.

Rev. Wright's Comments
I am a middle-aged Black man who doesn't believe in God, but who does believe in the sincerity of Rev. Wright's words, although I do not agree with the angry way in which he spoke them. Also, I do not agree with the way so many white commentators are refusing ABSOLUTELY to see the truth of the Reverend's words: (1) Do wealthy white people in general and white men in particular run this country? Try looking in the mirror and telling yourself that that's not true. (2) Will a white woman, blond or not, EVER have to face--in the past or now--the things that a black man has had to face? (3) Has the policies of this country over the years caused the loss of land and life in other countries on this planet? Before you answer that, answer this: Is it possible to become a super power without these two things happening? I don’t think so. Frank Luntz called Rev. Wright’s words, and I quote “terrifying.” Well then, what about this? What about the actions from white people that gave birth to those words; for I do not believe that you are ignorant enough to think his words came from a vacuum, from a place where you--white people--are not to blame. You MUST come to grips with the devastating effects that America’s racism has had on black people, on both a mental and social level. Why is it that the most democratic and racially diverse country on this planet has NEVER elected anyone to their top political post except white men, predominantly wealthy white men? Even Pakistan has elected a woman, twice. I have asked many blacks and whites, young and old, male and female, this question: We have seen a prominent black man give a speech on racism in this country. Will we see a prominent white man do the same? The answer 100% was NO. P.S.: It would be nice if it were called the “president’s house,” but instead it’s called--you guessed it---the “White House.”

Spight
Thank you for your words.

The White House used to be called the President's Palace or Presidential Mansion or Presidents House. It may have begun to be called the white house after it burned. To cover the burn on the stone they painted it white. It wasn't until Theodore Roosevelt that it was officially named the White House. They say it may have been named after Martha Custis Washington's home in New Kent,Virginia, which was called the White House Plantation, this was where Washington and Martha courted.

To me calling it the white house is less pretentious than calling it the Presidential Mansion or palace. Also it was interesting to notice that the White House was built by free and bond slaves,as well as Scottish immigrants which I think were bond servants also.

Most of us common people have never felt that the White House was our house, whatever color we are. But it really should have been called the People's House not the presidents house, because he is supposed to be representing all of us people. But calling it the people's house sounds very communist like the Palace in Budapest, so that will not do. (grin)

Obama's speech talked about us all getting past the divisiveness. Together we will stand, divided we shall fall. I want to see our country healed. I really do believe that Clintons brought so much polarization to our country we need that stopped before we destroy ourselves from within.

Did you know that Obama's mother's family had Cherokee, Scot, and English blood in them, and was a distant descendent of Jefferson Davis? So Obama is red, white and black. Sounds to me like he is just right for the White House.

I think
the problem is that many of those want to "stand" divided.

Spight
First of all, what do you mean by "running the country?" How do I "run the country?" Is it that I own a small business? Please clarify for me.

Second of all, no white man is going to give a speech on race. Since blackie considers whitey to be inherently racist, anything we had to say would therefore be considered racist. It's a no-win situation.

Besidesm after 50 years of being called racist by blackie, this whitey has long since ceased caring what you think.


Breaking news
The news just reported the contractors and employees accessing the passport files of all three candidates works for Obama.
When it rains it pours. WOW

Jesus is Risen
Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow.

God Bless America!

The Imploding Democrat Party
Isn't it delicious to see the Democrat Party in such a turmoil.The very ones who have played the race card for lo,these many years. Well,looks to me like "THEIR CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST". Could not have happened to better group.

I hope to see it continue to play out and when Hillary Rodham(rhimes with Saddam)Clinton steals the election from Barack Hussein Obama,watch the feathers fly.I hope I can get a ring side seat!!




Obama is an excellent campaigner
He is almost as talented as George Bush, though GWB is difficult to top. Barack Hussein Obama has almost dodged every bullet, though the jury is still out. If he becomes President, however, his method of operating will work against him. It will be a horrible 4 years and it will focus on race issues, when we have many more fundamental issues to address. And foreign policy will be, well, worse.

Goodbye, Obama--too bad
Obama's presidential campaign ended with his speech on Wright and race. "Millenials" will begin to tune out, and the majority of American will ultimately reject Obama. He has come close to insuring that McCain will be the next president. Whether or not he wins the Democratic nomination, he is going to become old news.

Most conservatives--and most Americans--do not believe there are any serious racial programs in
America. They have no idea where someone like Wright is coming from. Any complaints from blacks about racism in any form are just the grumblings of chronic malcontents who simply need to shut up and stop whining. Neither Wright nor Obama can persuade most Americans that maybe at least some of their perceptions aren't correct.

I don't understand why Obama felt he had to drdag this issue into his campaign. He handled it poorly, with little consideration of the consequences his speech will likely have for him. I think Obama has fallen in love with the sound of his own smooth oratory, which he imagined would always save him. Well, that stopped working with his speech. The politically savvy reaction to the Wright stories would have been to sever all connections with Wright and hunker down on the matter for a couple of news cycles.

So, as I await yet another Republican president, eager to spend a term or two getting us into further foreign misadventures, I wish I could say to Obama that, in yielding to the temptation to bask in his own rhetoric, he may have showed the American public that he should not be their president.

for Pancho
Pancho writes: "I can understand why you would refuse to honestly evaluate how black racism would extend into the 1960s when slavery was abolished in the 1860s. It's called myopia."

I'm not interested in discussing either the 1860s or the 1960s. No more.

I'm sick and tired of this endless White Guilt Trip you keep laying on us white folks, from generation to generation. It never ends. Never. Even by the time of Star Trek's 23rd century you're still going to be yelling "Racist!" and demanding more Affirmative Action programs.

Well, not out of me. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH of your little extortion game.

We white folks have done ENOUGH. It's now time for the BLACK community to start ridding itself of its paranoia, its self-pity and its perpetual bitterness and start embracing the opportunities this country has to offer. If they don't, then it's their own damn fault. NOT MINE.

This "dialogue on race" is OVER!

for Pancho
Pancho writes: "I'm sure you're fine with black people, as long as they don't date your sister or daughter."

I'm fine with black people, as long as they don't try to lay a guilt trip on me for things I never did; or extort money out of me for things I had no control over; or call me a "racist" just for saying something THEY disagree with.

for Pancho
Pancho,
you and Obama seem surprised that we white folks are not responding with the humble feelings of guilt that you are accustomed to getting from your white liberal friends:

"Oh, please forgive us, our black brothers, for the way you were oppressed before we were born."

NO WAY!

"SAY IT LOUD: WE'RE **WHITE** AND WE'RE PROUD!"

SteveL
I guarantee,if they were not in this country today,like the Mexicans south of us,they would be clamering and crawling ,to get here to the "land of milk and honey".Some folks don't know when they've got it good.

no blessings?
Blacks in America are the best off compared to blacks anywhere else in the world, both economically and racism-wise. (Would they prefer to be a Tutsi in Rwanda? or a starving Zimbawean? or experience a French ghetto? or be a child slave in 2008 in numerous African countries?)

The country they choose to hate on the basis of historic grievances has worked very hard and spent a lot of money on trying to redress any lingering effects of slavery. However, the liberal "cure" had unintended consequences like so many of their poorly thought out ideas and turned out to be worse than the disease.

Welfare sapped individual initiative and has near destroyed the black family. Middle class libs preach all kinds of crappy ideas which don't impact their own lives negatively but are toxic to lower class blacks. Lib feminists are all for sexual libertinism and single motherhood yet manage to marry their baby's fathers most of the time or can support their kid on their own. It's black women who are trapped or abort disproportionately. Left wing teachers' unions and curricula have helped doom students at inner city schools who do not have the family resources to compensate for poor teaching methods or demand better. And so on it goes.

Other ethnic groups/races who have suffered grievously themselves (not merely ancestors) come to America not even speaking the language and succeed within one generation. Blacks need to shake themselves and follow the same formula: value education, work hard at any job, avoid crime, marry before having kids. Presto! No poverty.

Sitting around with a hand out and blaming whitey may be more fun in the short run, but self-destructive.

Bob C., et. al.
Of course small business owners don't run this country. I know that. But I also know that you know that to be a successful politician in America you've got to have money in all cases and it helps if you're white and male in many cases. You use the term "blackie." That tells me right there mentally where you're at in this discussion. But I'll go on anyway. Fifty years ago the Civil Rights struggle hadn't even begun. We were just building up our nerve to confront you. So yes, to call white Americans racists at that time was definitely on the money. Lastly, I think a speech on race by a prominent white male although could be and more than likely would be-you are right-seen as a no-win situation. But the courage, the mountain of courage, that this would say to all people of this country, wouldn't this be worth it? P.S: I saw that the double “A” phrase was used by someone-not you-earlier. In other words, “affirmative action.” Boy, do white people hate that word! But let’s look at it not from where blacks sit, which is the viewpoint from which everyone-blacks and whites-look at it. Let’s look at it from how it can be applied to whites. Affirmative action: “getting an upwardly mobile position based on your skin color and not on your skill.” Who has benefited more from this in this country than white people in general and white men in particular? Thank you.
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