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Monday, October 30, 2006
Michael Barone :: Townhall.com Columnist
The story behind the polls
by Michael Barone
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What's with the polls?

In 2004, the electorate that went to the polls or voted absentee was, according to the adjusted NEP exit poll, 37 percent Democratic and 37 percent Republican. In party identification, it was the most Republican electorate since George Gallup conducted his first random sample poll in October 1935.

But most recent national polls show Democrats with an advantage in party identification in the vicinity of 5 percent to 12 percent. Party identification usually changes slowly. Historically, voters have switched from candidates of one party to candidates of the other more readily than they have changed their party identification.

Over time, big changes in party ID can and do occur. When I started in the polling business, in 1974, national party identification was almost 50 percent Democratic and not much more than 25 percent Republican.

Since then, Democratic party ID has fallen, particularly in the South, where many voters who considered themselves Democrats found themselves voting Republican for president and, increasingly in the 1980s and 1990s, for other offices, as well.

Republican party ID has increased. But that's a process that took decades. If you could go back in history and conduct polls, I don't think you'd find any, and certainly not many, two-year periods when the balance in party identification shifted from even to having one party 12 percent ahead of the other.

At this stage of the campaign, pollsters try to screen their respondents and report only those who answer a series of questions in ways that suggest they are actually going to vote. Many polls find that a higher proportion of Democrats than Republicans pass the screen. Others find similar proportions do. But pollsters of both parties will admit that polls do a poor job at projecting turnout.

That was particularly true in 2004, when both parties conducted massive turnout drives. Democrats concentrated on black neighborhoods in central cities and on university towns, where they could be sure of getting 80 percent to 90 percent of the vote. They achieved their goals in just about every target state, with big turnouts in Cleveland and Madison, Wisc., in St. Louis and Gainesville, Fla. Nationally, John Kerry got 16 percent more popular votes than Al Gore had in 2000.

Republicans had a different turnout operation, utilizing 1.4 million volunteers and "microtargeting" potential voters, enabling them to motivate voters by emphasizing issues especially important to them. They found new Republican voters in fast-growing exurbs (George W. Bush carried 97 of the nation's 100 fastest-growing counties) and in population-losing rural counties (the key to Bush's carrying Ohio). They even found some in central city neighborhoods that are heavily Democratic.

Nationally, George W. Bush got 23 percent more popular votes than he had in 2000. That's comparable to Franklin Roosevelt's 22 percent popular vote increase between 1932 and 1936.

Fewer people vote in off-year elections than in presidential years. In 2002, 75 million people voted. In 2004, 122 million did. My hunch is that people who identify themselves as independents are substantially less likely to vote this year than people who identify as Republicans or Democrats -- which would be good news for Republicans, since independents give Bush low job ratings. Another hunch is that the Republican turnout apparatus, with which the Democrats haven't yet caught up, will boost Republican turnout as it did in 2004, and that the resulting electorate will be more evenly divided in party identification than the electorates shown in most of the public polls.

Serious pollsters concede that there are some problems with polling. Americans have fewer landline phones than they used to, and the random digit dialing most pollsters use does not include cell-phone numbers. Larger and larger percentages of those called are declining to be interviewed.

Interviewers can inject bias in the results. The late Warren Mitofsky, who conducted the 2004 NEP exit poll, went back and found that the greatest difference between actual results in exit poll precincts and the reports phoned in to NEP came where the interviewers were female graduate students -- and almost all the discrepancies favored the Democrats.

The pollsters I know, both Republican and Democratic, are continually questioning their own procedures and are trying to adjust them to reflect changes in the workings of society. Polls, they all concede, are imperfect instruments, to be read with some caution.

As the results come in on election night, and as we peruse them in the days and weeks afterward, we will see whether the party identification of the electorate has changed as much as many of the polls suggest. In off-years especially, the key to elections is who comes out to vote.

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tanabear disconnect
Tanabear would complain that a .400 hitter is making outs 60% of the time.

Compared to the alternatives Iraq is going better than say Germany and Japan in 1945-49 in establishing their own government. Last time I checked we still have troops in both countries.

The issue at hand is that the polls are cooked. Pollsters have to 'correct' the answers they get. For years the MSM polls have used higher democratic levels that what is reflected in the population.

And if the MSM doesn't like the 'likely voter results' they'll use 'adults' or 'registered voters.' When was the last time you saw a poll on the economy?

Low approval ratings don't mean squat. I'm not all that pleased with W, but compared to the alternatives offer the Democrats and Greens, I'll vote for W every time. Of course high approval ratings don't make news unless its Clinton taking his pants down.

The only way democrats get elected is to lie the people with the help of the media cooking the polls. In NY, the liberal democratic governor canidate is running adds for cutting taxes, deregulating business and supporting the family. Even here he can't run commercials on his true agenda for gay marriage and bigger government.

So tanabear, stop cooking your books and smoking the results. In the real world the Republicans are the only grown-up in the elections. You may not agree with every canidate on every position but at least you know where they stand.

The Morning After
I have also noticed that newsreaders in the big news market of LA interject their on-air indignities as the votes pile up in favor of those causes that are out of news media favor.

It was interesting that on air, I couldn't find any voter results of the items that had my conservative interest. Not the evening of the election, nor the next day. Surely all of the results were news...?

But, lest anyone think the media wasn't paying any attention, the liberal causes and taxations that passed with voters were loudly trumpeted as voter wisdom and discussed and commented upon ad-nausium by newsreaders, correspondents, and even the weather bunny.

I had to confess to my husband my true belief that certain conservative issues had passed (though I couldn't be sure) because of the lack of coverage.

There was never a more clear indication of media bias as Arnold was winning the California Governorship. I watched, stunned, as an evening newsreader tisked and pursed her lips, shook her head and scowled while she nearly chastised voters...er...viewers for the results. I have not tuned in that news channel since that day, not for news and not for other programming. As you can tell, I am still disgusted.

I do suspect that this year, as in previous elections, I will be disgusted all over again by the mainstream media coverage the evening of, and the morning after.

Pricey
Its not all bad. A fond memory is when Brinkley made that 5:30 pronouncement in 1980. "Its all over folks. Carter had to win at least 3 of those 5 and he's lost them all" My smile was turned to glee as i switched to Rather and watched his face get longer and his voice fade as he slowly faced the music.
Wouldn't i just love a repeat next week.

Voting machines
One of the scariest things about this election, to me, is the combination of the lack of accurate polling results with the new electronic voting machines that are in place across the nation. These machines can be easily hacked into by anyone with the appropriate knowledge -- the machines are locked with a key you can freely buy online, the machines will blindly read any normal memory card and load software off them, and the machines are capable of spreading the virus to other machines.

Unlike paper / punch-card ballots, there's no way to audit or independently verify corrupted votes, because there is no paper trail -- nothing to audit. The possibilities for corruption are endless; even someone with no computer knowledge can "hack" the election by simply bribing the right officials, or any of the employees of the voting machine companies. Now consider: one of the main voting machine producers is Sequoia Voting Systems -- owned by *Venezuela*. Do you think that Hugo Chavez hasn't put any pressure on Sequoia to put a few "exploits" into the software?

Do yourself a favor and do the research: read blackboxvoting.org, learn what your state/county/precinct is using, and let your representatives + state board of elections know that you want these machines to leave an auditable paper trail. Watch the videos where computer security researchers state demonstrate "hacking" into these machines in a matter of seconds.

No matter how the 2006 elections turn out, we'll have to wonder if one side or the other hasn't literally "stolen" the election, because these machines make widespread, undetectable fraud possible in ways never before imaginable. Whether your candidates win or lose, let your unhappiness be known after the election; only then will be possibly fixed for 2008.

By the way, I'm no anti-technology Luddite -- I'm a computer scientist and roboticist. I *know* these machines can be hacked, and it's only a matter of time until someone does. The only fix is to add a paper trail; but the only fix for this particular election is relying on telephone polls and exit polls to verify whether the results in a precinct "make sense", but we all know that these polls have gotten so inaccurate in the last few years that relying on polls to detect fraud is laughable.

This election is not about Bush
Since this is the end of Bush's allotted Presidential time, this election has to do with the Bushless future as well as the present. If every vote is a vote for or against Bush, we are living in a truly deranged world. The candidates up for election in my part of the country are the ones who will represent me and my state, not a resident of the White House. I'm disgusted with the entire debate about using the vote as a weapon for or against a sitting President. It shows a lack of maturity and common sense to link the two.

A dumb question
Question: If 74% of the electorate that voted in 2004 voted either Democrat or Republican, how did the remaining 26% vote? If they voted third party, what are those parties that managed to get over a quarter of all votes cast and why wasn't this front page news? Historically, most third party movements have been one issue parties and they have either been absorbed into the major parties or have died a natural death as times changed. Everyone knows that polling has its subjective aspects that may skew results, but one thing polls do measure very well is dissatisfaction. However, dissatisfaction doesn't necessarily translate into support for the party out of power, especially if that party does little more than commiserate with the disaffected and offers very little in viable alternatives. I like to entertain the belief that the American people are sophisticated enough to know that unpleasant news--like recent developments in Iraq--cannot be voted out of existenance, and that our foreign policy commitments, if valid, need to be honored for the good of the country.

The Dems are on a downward spiral
if they cannot trounce the Reps in this election. They have been aided by incessant media coverage of Iraq, Foley and Mickie Fox. And no mention of national security or the economy. At any other time, and with just a meager agenda, they should be picking up 40 House seats and 6 Senate seats.

The jig is up. They have no agenda beyond bashing everything Republican. And they have to lie through their teeth to obfuscate their real intentions to raise taxes, legalize gay marriage, surrender national defense, abandon the Middle east and eviscerate private enterprise. In their zeal they are trashing honorable black Rep candidates who, if Dems, would heroes.

Dem I would be embarrassed at how low my party had sunk. Then again, desparate people do desparate things.

Just my experience
. . . but when pollsters have called me in the past, they were always "push" polls, designed to get the answers that the poll sponsor wanted to get. After I pointed out how the questions were improperly phrased or that the choices were designed to force a specific outcome, the pollster would typically just give up and hang up.

I remember the howls of protest about the "stolen" elections of 2000 and 2004 because the results were so different from the polling data. Well, DUH!!!!

YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE POLLS?
Ever notice the tone of questioning during a telephone poll? Can you see why they get the answers they want?
They are so consistently wrong that few people are fooled by them any more unless you count those who are fooling themselves.

You don't believe the polls?
You probably don't believe in the Tooth Fairy either!

What do you mean
there's no Tooth Fairy?

the low-down.
If the upcoming congressional elections are on local issues, independents may not vote. However, if national issues dominate, especially the Iraq war, independents will vote...and that won't be good for the GOP which is saddled with a president who decided upon an optional war in Iraq. I am a conservative, but I do not drink anyone's kool-aid. It is what it is. The war is not popular. Period. Combine the apprehension on the war with publicity on recent GOP congressmen(Cunningham who is now in prison, Foley who resigned in disgrace, Ney who is embroiled in the Abramoff scandal, the indictment of Delay, the general state of corruption within the GOP in Ohio), and include the irritation of many conservatives over the handling of immigration by Bush and senate republicans, it could spell trouble for the GOP. You have to be blind not to recognize that potential. It is too bad. The GOP revolution of the mid 1990s had some great ideas, and the Reagan revolution of the 1980s was still benefitting our nation. What on earth happened? GOP congress began to embrace big government and big spending, and our president embroiled our nation in a crusading foreign involvement, spending our nation's treasure and sacrificing our finest, in attempting to install a democracy upon a people who thus far display little if any inclination for it. Maybe Sharia law does not lend itself to the tolerance of dissent, including respecting other religions, required of a democracy.
On Barone's point about the 2004 NEP exit poll, I found it amusing that an analysis of the poll concluded it was biased toward liberals due to the interviewers of the poll being graduate students. Imagine that? Graduate students in the liberal arts, probably political science, purposely skewing a poll to benefit liberals. Who woulda thunk it? Just kidding.

Barone
The best way to get to the MSM goat is to just go out and vote. Hmm, the sh**house poet strikes again!!! Seriously,though,If we all just do our duty,and honor those who sacrificed so we could vote,maybe we can once again watch with joy as the anointed ones scowl in disgust election night.

Of course the poll lean Democrat!
Almost all polls are conducted by CNN the Communist News Network, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, the LA Times, Washington Post, and of course the New York Times. Like you all made so very clear to Tanabear, they phrase the questions like, "Are you planning to vote democrat this year, or are you a stupid idiot?"
Well, you know automatically what answer they want. When you try to rephrase the question they hang up.
I even had one ask if I was a registered democrat or republican. As soon as I started saying Repub...Click. If they don't ask you who you are voting for, how can you possibly be counted in the poll? I get that a lot as I relocated 4 times in the last ten years, and they like to hit new voters in the precints.

Re Max and the 26%
Max queries " If 74% of the electorate that voted in 2004 voted either Democrat or Republican, how did the remaining 26% vote? If they voted third party, what are those parties that managed to get over a quarter of all votes cast and why wasn't this front page news?"

Max, it isn't front page news when multiple candidates get between .001% and .03% of the overall nationwide vote.
Many states allow on a Presidential ballot multiple candidates that have not won the right to be on ballots in other states- Florida's election problems stem from having one of the largest 'just running for funnin' slates.

Polls
Again, folks----the typical good GOP voter, demographically, is also a good telemarketing prospect for aluminum siding, credit cards, cable TV /DSS, and other such annoyances. Eventually, all unknown numbers can talk to the machine.


jerebaub is repeating MSM
Yes, the war is unpopular. How could it possibly NOT be? Even at the beginning when it was less unpopular I found little that was not negative even on Fox News. I had friends serving in Iraq who counseled me to not listen to the news...which is fine if you have sources in the belly of the beast, but not if you have to depend on the news for your news.
Mark Foley? He's a Republican success story. He quit. He's gone. And while what he did was vile, as far as I can tell it wasn't illegal. The Stubbs story tells far more about Democrats vs. Republicans. An unbiased press would write comparative stories. DIDn't happen, did it?
I can't believe Republicans still exist with Hollywood, the news, and the academy to tell us what to think and who to marginalize. That they do shows real strength.
And although I don't agree with W and Congress on a number of decisions, I'm one of the Independents who believes that W is to be one of the most honest, authentic politicians I've seen in a long time. Needless to say, I don't get polled.
In six+ years on my local university campus I have never heard anything neutral about Bush, much less positive, by my colleagues. It's knee-jerk hate speech every single day. How nice for students learning to "think critically" at our behest.
My students repeat the "exit polls proved that W stole the election" nonsense. That's what happens when kids who have potential to be bright aren't offered balanced, accurate information.

Hope you optimists out there are right.

Interesting poll
"Democrats’ worries are backed up by a Pew Research Center report that found that blacks were twice as likely now than they were in 2004 to say they had little or no confidence in the voting system, rising to 29 percent from 15 percent.

So what are the three steps of emotion,after a death?
I think they are denial,anger aceptance.
Now the blacks next step is acepting the fact they have been used.
I may be wrong,but the black vote is about to turn conservative.

jerabaub's list
War in Iraq, I hope you don't think this World War ended in Afghanistan? Where would you go next? I would have chosen Iran!
Abramoff scandal touches more Democrats than Republicans. That is why the Democrats shut up about it. Do you think Abscam Murtha or Harry Reed's $1.1 Million bribe or $90,000 in a freezer is any cleaner? Indictment of Delay? That crooked prosecutor had to pannel 5, yes FIVE Grand Juries to find one politically oriented enough to prostitute Justice. Why has there been no conviction? Because the ERROR transpired PRIOR to the Rule Change!

Immigration & Spending you can have.
Now tell me how the Democrats WILL do any better?

I see a lot I don't like either but these Democrats with the MSM are playing right into the hands of our enemies and the Terrorists are doing all they can to help the Democrats.
YOU HAVE A GUN POINTED AT YOUR HEAD!
We have NO OPTIONS. If you stay home OR vote Democratic it is the same thing as voting against America.

The other 26%
NYS allows multiple lines. A canidate is frequently Rebublican and Conservative or Democrat and Liberal and Family Worker. I will always vote Conservative if they share the lines.

By the way, we've used the old lever machines invented before electricity. They also leave no trail of votes. If there is a problem, there is no recourse. All you can do is recount the tallies of all the machines. Garbage in, garbage out.

Sekhmet
?????????????????????????
Would you care to elaborate.

A retort to my critics.
I am a conservative. Normally that is not a problem, but when this administration promotes ideas and foreign policy initiatives which are not conservative, and I can't in good conscience support them, then I become a tool of the MSM. Interesting. Believe what you wish. Bush signing such legislation as "No Child Left Behind", "Mccain-Feingold Finance Reform", Bush's refusal to support the House Republican proposals on immigration, and Bush's gut reaction to initially nominate someone like Harriet Miers, does not exactly instill confidence in a conservative. His refusal to veto pork-laden legislation does not either. In addition, Bush's recklessness in foreign affirs by his attempt to install a democracy upon a people who historically have displayed either ignorance or antagonism toward the concept is not exactly a conservative idea; in fact, it is more consistent with liberal notions that we, our government, know what is best for all people, be they U.S. citizens or inhabitants of the globe. I am a realist. Our invasion of Iraq has the distinct possibility of embroiling the entire mideast in a region-wide civil war between Sunnis and Shias, even as it has already greatly increased the power of the radical Shia mullahs in Iran over not only Iraq but the entire mideast. This Iraq war was conceived through collosal ignorance and arrogance, and I simply will not give this administration a pass on it. I fully support this administration on the general war on terror, including treatment of terrorist suspects and the use of warrantless wiretaps. But on Iraq, it increasingly looks like Bush blundered, and he blundered big-time.

a footnote
By the way, I am voting a week from tomorrow, and I am voting GOP. So there.

Paper trails would be easy
Why can't Diebold make machines that allow us to:
1. Vote electronically.
2. Check our answers.
3. When happy that our votes match our wishes, submit them (press "OK preliminary")
4. Get a Printout of our votes.
5. Match our Printout results to our electronic results.
6. When happy that they match, Press "OK final"
7. Look at the control number on my paper ballot (the Printout) and compare it to the corresponding control number on my electronic ballot, and make sure that they match.

Put my Printout version into a locked box at the election judges' desk.

Nothing is perfect, but this process would require both an electronic fraud AND manual fraud
working in concert. Very difficult, nay, almost impossible.

jerabaub BUSH IS NOT RUNNING!
No one else is overjoyed with some of the things he has signed. No doubt he had reasons I can't see either.
I don't like him helping McCain & Specter either.

Do you want to surrender to Terrorists because you don't like BUSH?

If you need to collect thoughts,
http://www.AmericanCongressForTruth.org

Tim
Mail in ballots are being completely overlooked and they have a great potential for fraud.

Make them with carbon duplicates the voter keeps?

To my great and good friend MyOpine
Which is exactly why I am voting a week from tomorrow. And it likely I will be operating phone banks, calling prospective republicans and urging them to vote, as I did in 2004. I'm not surrendering to terrorists. In fact, I am not certain Bush is correct when he says we are NOT at war with Islam, but only with a small radical segment which supposedly hijacked the "peaceful" religion of Islam. I think the jury is still out on that, but I do understand why Bush would have to publicly declare it. I think he really believes it...that Islam is a peaceful religion; I am just not yet convinced of that.

jerabaub Exactly!
Quite an eye opener isn't it?
I think I understand the position he must take on Islam but I am sure he sees what we see.

Does Bush want to lose
Perhaps George W. Bush would like to lose the House of Representatives. He knows that he can keep the troops in Iraq for the duration of his term, no matter what the Democrats wish. But he still needs to act his role as the big business towel boy on immigration. As long as the Republicans hold the House, it in unlikely that the Bush-Kennedy-McCain-Rove immigration amnesty bill will be passed. However, if the Democrats take the House, they will craftily hand the lame duck Bush a victory on the immigration-amnesty issue. Bush and the Democrats both want the nation flooded with more Third Worlders, the Democrats for the future votes of Third Worlders and Bush because he is a plutocrat with plutocrat friends. Also, I believe there is a self-hating ingredient in Bush's personality.


Solar
One of the big problems for even an honest pollster, is how to get folks to pick up the phone in a telephone survey.

Demographically (married, suburban, churchgoing, home-owning)likely GOP voters overlap with the folks most likely to have the crap pestered out of them by telemarketers and other such unsolicited calls.

Single, apartment-renting, urban people (likely Democrat voters) don't get bothered as much, and are less likely to screen calls. This already puts a slight Dem bias in phone polls, even ones not commissioned by Democratic interests.

That's all I am saying.

A reason to vote for you!
I'm an independent, former Democrat voter, and I voted last week. Here's my advice to those Democrat candidates in my district running against Republican incumbents. I'm not interested in your criticisms of the incumbent. I want to know what YOUR qualifications are. I want to know what views you hold counter to your campaign supporters. I want to know what your work ethic is, and positively why it is worth throwing out our representative's seniority to put you in office. I also want to know why someone who has no previous experience in elected office should be be honored with a Congressional seat.
When I have conversations with people, this is what I'm asking. Any thoughts?

I'll tell townhallers...
but I'll never tell a pollster how I'm voting.
Even if they try to deduce it from the beer that I drink! - Any Lager-
(See? nothing)
I like being in that group of "plus/minus 5%",
the unknown!


Barone
For what it's worth I voted last Tuesday. I'm a "registered" Independent (have been for years) but I voted a straight Republican ticket. I have NEVER been polled and I don't expect to be any time soon, I can count on one hand all the elections I've been eligible to vote in but missed and I turn 53 tomorrow. My point is this: the folks who tend to vote Republican tend to make it a point to show up. That is likely enough to carry the day. We'll see.

Max Brand: about that 74%
The 74% isn't how many _voted_ Republican and Democrat, it's how many _identified_themselves_ as members of one or the other party.

So the remaining 26% didn't _vote_ for a third party -- they almost all voted D or R. But they identified themselves as Independents.

I hope that clears things up for Max and all the others who commented on this number.

Sekhmet
I see what you're saying,but I'm not sure the info. is valid.
For one they never poll rural voters,wich are predominantly white,while most blacks live,urban or surburban.
Though you have brought up an interesting question.
Can you find information on the demographics of what you state?
Might be interesting.

George Soros
What George Soros wants to do, he wants to do with the American dollar. If you could ensure the collapse of the American dollar and short-sell it, you could make an absolute FORTUNE! All this hippy-drippy crap spewed by a shrewd capitalist like George Soros? Riiiiight. Soros just knows that lefties are the dumb, emotional ones who would happily screw over their currency for the nice currency speculator who gives them money.

American politics are extremely unique in the way they work. We are not some former Soviet Bloc country with a more predictable political climate. If the GOP wins enough, it will hopefully dawn on George Soros that he would probably lose his shirt long before he made a dent in American politics. He should have stuck with Europe.

Urban versus Rural voters
The reason cities are polled is probably because the telephony is cheaper, especially if you are calling in-state. In-state rates are set by the state's Public Utilities Commission, whereas state-to-state charges are set by the FCC.

A city and its metropolitan area is usually a single LATA (Local Access and Transport Area). Surrounding rural areas may be 4 or 5 LATAs of varied distance from the call center, and the interLATA rates may be more expensive than picking a heavily-populated LATA and confining your calls to it. Heavily-populated LATAs are...cities.

Well......
I don't know if the vote next week will actually have any lasting effect on the nation or the world. Considering that it will, maybe, be a history lesson decades from now, I've decided not to worry about it anymore.
I mailed off my absentee ballot this morning, and I already feel a great sense of relief. Now if I could just create some software that would let me cancel those commercials!!

In any event, I fully expect that the legions of lawyers will be raking in the bucks for the next several weeks, and in the end, not a great deal is really going to change. At least not in MY day to day life, which hasn't been helped or hindered by Democrat or Republican majorities in the Congress.

Why is it....
that the most common and trusted tool used by "international observers" to monitor elections in other (particulary in 3rd world)countries against fraud is exit polling. But here in America exit polls "can't be trusted"? I hope I am still around the first time exit polling shows a republican victory but the so-called actual vote count disagrees. The same people who are now claiming exit polls are inaccurate will be the same ones screaming fraud and using them (exit polls) as their evidence.

Checking Polling Error
I wonder if anyone has counted up, or summarized the number of times polling has been completely dead wrong, i.e. polling predict a result, and the opposite happens, when it is outside of the polling "margin of error".

Of course, if you want to make this even more general, the polling does not even have to get it wrong, just have the result outside the margin of error, i.e. the (R) candidate is predicted to win by 3% with a margin of 4%, and the (R) wins by 10%.

Do this for referendum as well as elections.

Concidering that most elections involve an incumbant that wins 98%+ of the time, and in a cake walk, then getting any of the few remaining competative elections wrong, really means an even worst predictive result for polling.

I can think of a number of infamous examples that have happenned in the last decade, all baised against the (R), or a conservative ballot measure.

Hang up on Pollers.
Heck, I never even pick it up. If I do not see a call id that I know, or an unavailable number, then I never pick it up. Although, now that there are almost no more telemarketers calling because of the do-not-call lists, I wonder if that will change in the future.

Why Conservatives Are So Angry
controlcongress.com

Debt Matters

We elect congressmen and congresswomen to represent our interests. We vote for self-described fiscal hawks who favor less government. But all we get is:

• A Congress that represents the lobbyist-money-changers in Washington
• A near $9 trillion debt
• An explosion in government spending that puts Liberal tax-and-spenders like Lyndon Johnson to shame

Integrity Matters

The moral lapses of the Clinton administration were, of course, distressing. We voted for self-described conservative representatives who claimed they would do better. But all we got was a never-ending chain of scandals ranging from sex crimes to bribe-taking to gambling promotion.

Each is driven by a combination of greed, power-lust, and arrogance. Of course, mistakes do happen. But even when individuals are caught red-handed, they refuse to take responsibility. All that results is finger pointing and excuses from congressmen hiding in rehabilitation centers. Misbehaving congressmen should be removed—period. Are we supposed to look up the definition of is again?

Immigration Matters

We are a country of laws. If you don’t like a law, change it. But a government that intentionally refuses to enforce select laws is weakening the whole “rule of law” and breaking its most sacred pledge to the governed.

Some employers are using illegal immigration to drive down wages and eliminate hard-working Americans from their payrolls. And of illegal immigrants gangs run roughshod over our communities, bringing with them:

• Violence (and the threat of violence)
• Crystal meth and other illegal drugs
• Prostitution
• And perhaps terrorists

Yet Congress and the White House repeatedly turn a blind eye in exchange for big business campaign donations and lobbying loot. The best they’ve done is pass a lame fence bill that covers no more than 10% of the problem (and they aren’t even obligated to follow through on that much). Yet many existing laws remain un-enforced.

What Should We Conservatives Do?

The Democratic Party is not the answer. It is at best beset by the same corruption as the Republican Party, and at worst completely at odds with our values. The only practical solution is to challenge Republican incumbents who fail to:

• Vote against bloated spending bills
• Demand immigration reform
• Hold their fellow members to the highest level of ethical conduct

We must stop giving money to any candidate who represents special interests over our interests.


Activate the Energizer Bunny Rabbit?
Do we want to get stuck in Iraq? or with the current Dodads?

May the liberals Stick stick it to them now and in 08, go rabit go!!
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