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Thursday, March 15, 2007
Megan Basham :: Townhall.com Columnist
300 is More than a Bloody Tale of Good versus Evil
by Megan Basham
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After bringing in more than $70 million in its opening weekend, comic book adaptation 300 made history as the highest grossing film debut for the month of March and the third highest opening for an R-rated movie (after The Passion of the Christ and The Matrix Reloaded). Without a single recognizable star among its cast and a fraction of the production budget, it also far outperformed the opening tallies of predecessors like Troy and Gladiator.

This movie is drawing more than crowds, its drawing hordes.

Despite its hard R rating for nudity and violence, there’s good reason for this. Where last year's despicable, pro-terrorist comic-book-based flick, V for Vendetta, made pathetic claims for cultural relevance, 300 is the real deal. The filmmakers didn't have to impose parallels with today’s geo-political reality; history had already done it for them.

When the Persian King Xerxes demands submission from the entire Western world, with few exceptions, most regions turn knock-kneed and cave. Leonidas, King of Sparta (Gerard Butler) refuses to exchange the future of his people as a free state for a tenuous and temporary peace. Instead, he begins to prepare for battle.

Sparta's Ephors, the cloistered academics of their time, claim that the gods don’t want war and won’t support Leonidas' stand. Rather inconveniently, neither will Sparta's governing council. By law, the king cannot override the will of these two groups, and so he finds a loophole by taking 300 of his personal entourage to Thermopylae, also known as the "Hot Gates," a strategic corridor where they and a few thousand neighboring soldiers hope to hold off hundreds of thousands of invading Persians.

In the meantime, back in the city, an oily politician (Dominic West of The Wire) undermines the King's mission at every turn, arguing for diplomatic resolutions and claiming that Leonidas has started an "illegal" war that will draw destruction down on all. Leonidas wife, Queen Gorgo (Lena Headey), counters that it is Persia who began the war and urges the Spartan congress to commit more troops. Amazingly, for today’s cinema, the oily politician and the waffling congress are not the heroes of our story. Soldiers—single-minded and un-conflicted—are.

Not too surprising then, given the setup and the protagonists, critics from the country’s biggest newspapers are giving 300 a thumbs down.

Wesley Morris of the Boston Globe calls the film "Hollywood action porn" (this bit of indignation from the man who gave Kill Bill 4 out of 4 stars) and pouts that it was too busy "trumpeting such abstract principles as Glory, Duty, and Destiny" (you know, those embarrassing old saws).

Award for most amusing lack of self-awareness goes to veteran New York Times critic A.O. Scott who accuses the movie of "the kind of pomposity that frequently mistakes itself for genius." (Funny, I’ve often the same of Mr. Scott’s writing style.)

Yet the pomposity he complains of doesn’t originate with 300’s filmmakers, it originates with ancient Spartan culture.

Dialogue that USA Today’s Claudia Puig calls laughably bombastic, like the Spartan reply, "Come and take them," to Xerxes demand that they throw down their weapons, are copied straight from the pages of history, as are numerous other bits of the movie’s most braggadocios exclamations. It may sound like something conjured up in a Hollywood brainstorming session, but a Spartan soldier did indeed jeer that if the Persian arrows blot out the sun, "we will fight in the shade."

Perhaps if Ms. Puig finds the 300’s unrelenting bravado tiresome, the dialogue too clichéd, and the opposing sides too drawn in "black and white," she should take it up with Herodotus, not a couple of screenwriters. For all its exaggerated combat sequences (this is a comic book movie, after all), 300 deserves credit for staying relatively true to the Greek record of the legendary battle.

Finally, the Washington Post's Stephen Hunter lodges the most refutable complaint of all--that the film "fails to offer any theories of Spartan greatness."

The problem isn't that it 300 offers too few theories of Spartan greatness, it is that, behind all the stylized blood spatter, it offers so many. Not the least of which is that that a people that honors its artists and scholars above its warriors eventually becomes a weak, effeminate people. The grim efficiency of the Spartan career soldiers stands in stark contrast to the brave but incompetent Athenians who hack away at the enemy like, well, like a bunch of actors and craftsmen.

Going hand in hand with this is the demonstration that high military standards must be kindly but firmly maintained, regardless of the hurt feelings such standards might engender. When a well-meaning but physically unfit applicant is turned away from battle, it is clear that Leonidas does not mean to be cruel but to preserve strength of his troop.

Then there are the ideals of Sparta itself, disciplined, controlled, and committed to excellence on every front. Clearly these ideals were taken too far (though does modern America really have room to feel superior to the Spartan custom of discarding imperfect infants?), but their demand for achievement produced achievement. And their unwillingness to become slaves to an ideology from the East helped preserve the tenets of Western Civilization for generations.

Is it any wonder these themes resonated with so few of the preeminent critics of our most popular art? These days it’s not so much about telling young men to come back with their shields or on them, it’s about getting them to pick up a shield in the first place.

The repetitive complaint running through all these reviews about the physical prowess and bold aggressiveness of the Spartan soldiers suggests that anemic intellectual types tend to feel a bit defensive (and perhaps inadequate?) in the face of such traditionally masculine sentiments as honor and country.

Their very discomfort reveals the most significant key to the greatness of the men who died at Thermopylae. Those with the will to win carry the day.

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Historically speaking
I have been a Frank Miller fan for years and loved the movie version of "300". I understand that it is a fantasy based on an historical event and was never intended to be an accurate portrayal.

The only flaw I see with this article is that, in reality, it was the Athenian dedication to scholarship and science, in the form of it's technologocially superior navy, that eventually enabled the Greek city states to defeat the Persians. The movie depicted only the Spartan view of Athens, which was naturally negative given that they were long standing rivals.

I think that single minded dedication to any one pursuit by an entire culture is bound to have negative consequences.

Animalgirl,
yeah, TH has just been miserable the last few days. It seems like they've got most of it worked out now, though there's still some oddities.

KJ did come out a year or two after DKR, and I'm sure Alan Moore's Batman was influenced by Miller's take on him. But the story's focus is on the Joker. And that's because DC gave Brian Bolland carte blanche (he was given the offer to do a story on any character he wanted-didn't have to be Batman), and he chose to do a story on the Joker. This offer occured two years before DKR came out, which means a good chunk of it was probably written before DKR came out (especially since he wrote it around the same time he was writing The Watchmen).

Either way, two good books, which, along with Year One, totally revamped the Batman franchise.

Comic Books, 300,
DKR, DKSB, same thing, Superman whines and moans and wrings his hands, saying "we gotta do something about the badguys" but dosen't do anything. Batman, OTOH, finds the badguy and kicks his head in.

"Dosen't anybody like you?"-New Blue Beetle to Batman

"They're not supposed to."-Batman


Spartans were badguys? Maybe, but the persians were worse. Sparta's actions led to the beginings of democracy in greece, which led to the roman republic, which led to...well, we had them dark ages there, but...[waves US Constution] i'd say the long term results were pretty good.

and acutually, i don't mind arguing with animalgirlisback, female comic book geeks are a rare breed lol

BM,JtS
Hey bigmick

One of the things I don't like about Hollywood is that truth is often distorted for the sake of a good story. If the message is all that counts, then just make up a time, place, and people, don't misrepresent the facts. Perhaps it doesn't matter to all those unfamiliar with history. Others have brought up other aspects of Sparta. Sorry, but in real life everything isn't black and white. Even the good guys often have warts.
As JimmytheSaint referred to, the Sacred Band of Thebes (300) defeated a much larger force of Spartans (1000-1800).
Read Wacky's post above this.

PS What does pedophilia have to do with any of this?

eon
I agree 100%.

Pressfield's "Gates of Fire" was a fine read about the Spartans and the Thesbians at Thermopylae.

While most people view the fight at Thermopylae through the prism of presentism, I found it an excellent example of the mores and values of ancient Greece, specifically the Spartans.

The Spartans trained hard and then fought to the death at the pass so that their women wouldn't see the campfires of the enemy. To the current crop of appeasment-driven liberal girly-men, that's a completely incomprehensible foreign philosophy.

Sigh, I get tired of this...
Constant ideological war.

Can we all accept that as cool and as heroic the Spartans are, they WERE NOT VERY NICE PEOPLE. The Russian army was heroic to every last man during the siege of Stalingrad. It didn't make the government they were fighting for any more morally upright.

Same here with Sparta. Although you can accept the values of duty, courage and honour that they show, each man fought for an evil regime that demanded subservience to the state, denied people parenthood, and treated its non voting citizens with utmost savagery.

During the later Pelopponesian war, they allied with Persia to destroy Athens. Why? Because Athens was becoming "too powerful."

If a conservative wants to highlight a movie that shows courage, honour and dignity, I recommend Gladiator. Or maybe even Letters of Iwo Jima or Windtalkers.

300 is a popcorn flick, and should be regarded as such.

It's A Movie
For the Life of Me- and I've posted on this movie yesterday- I can't 'get' the Liberal vs. Conservative slants this movie has. IF I go see it and enjoy it am I automatically no longer a Libtard? I listen to Country music and I am supposed to be 'For The war' ? This sh*t is getting way to stupid.

Wacky
Ask the ancient Greeks who was the better role model: Athens or Sparta. The Greeks believed that Sparta was the epitome of Greek culture and morality - it was the society to be emulated, not the Athenians.

As to the others' discussion of Sparta and homosexuality: the only openly homosexual Greek army were the Thebans, most specifically, a group known as "The Sacred Band" - 150 sets of homosexual lovers. Pretty effective soldiers, until the Macedonians annihilated them. The Spartans were a bit more pragmatic about the whole thing. There is some suppostion that homosexuality was common, but most of the evidence simply points to non-specific relationships between older men and younger ones. There was definitely an instrucitonal aspect, any sexual relationship was likely case-by-case.

animalgirl,
Good to see you back posting on TH.

Re: "I have also read most of Frank Miller's work, and have been a fan of him since he burst onto the scene with the remarkable 'Dark Knight' (which brought Batman back to life, and engendered the recent series of Batman movies)."

Actually, he burst onto the scene with Daredevil and Wolverine. DKR, as well as a return to Daredevil, just solidified his stardom. Oh, and according to Tim Burton, The Killing Joke was his inspiration for his Batman movies.

As far as 300 goes, we all know that movies don't always (almost never) follow their sources faithfully. I haven't seen it yet (I will), but the movie's message, if there is one, is not necessarily Miller's.

Also, Miller, as with most modern artists, writes with enough ambiguity to allow different interpretations, and usually when asked what something means, they will return the question to the reader/viewer: What do you think it means? Interestingly, your insistence that Miller's view on what his story means counts for something is more of a conservative position.

For what it's worth, one of Miller's next projects due out sometime this year is "Holy Terror, Batman!" in which Batman actually defends Gotham from, hold your hats ladies and gentlemen: Al-Qaeda.

Animalgirl
But the Athenian culture did not survive. The artefacts of that culture were partly preserved and partly revived later, but the culture itself died off when Alexander took Athens (and partly destroyed when Athens lost the Peloponesian War).

A culture does not survive by having its artefacts adopted by another culture. Roman cultural artefacts is preserved in Virgil and Ovid, but the Roman culture was destroyed in 476 (or 1453 at the latest, though Byzantium was much more Greek or Greco-Syrian than Roman). The Athenians may have passed writing and art to the cultures that came after, but, by losing a number of wars, the Athenian culture itself was destroyed.

And that is why fighting is as important as any other cultural achievement. If you won't fight, your culture is not going to last long either. Some later people may read your poets and writers or stare at your statues, but the culture that formed them will no longer exist.

We won World War 2 with movies like this
That was a time when Hollywood was on our side, but that was then. Today Hollywood is largely on the side of our enemies and it's no surprise that Americans have become so dispirited with the war.

I think we need to begin turning out pro war propaganda again like we did during World War 2 to get our spirit back. And we need to declare it to be treason to make any movie that gives aid and comfort to our enemies.

Letter of Protest
At http://www.petiitiononline.com there is a petition condeming the 300 movie. I don't go to movies but I do believe they are for entertainment, not hostorical fact.
Unbelievably, at last check there were 50,300 signatures.

Animalgirl
Athens didn't exactly "live on". The culture did to a degree, but, after being crushed by Sparta in the Peloponesian War, it was conquered by Alexander and then by Rome, becoming a relatively minor provincial city. It had a brief period of independence under a crusader king after the 4th Crusade, but was ruled by either Byzantium or the Ottomanss until Greek independence.

So, there wasn't exactly an Athens to live on.

If you mean the culture, well, OK. But doesn't exactly help those Athenians that we like Aristotle. They still got conquered and killed.

"Liberal" Athens
A few of our first posters spoke of "liberal" Athens... That is a laugh. Citizenship limited to a relatively small group (though bigger than in Sparta), slavery allowed, laws against bl;asphemy with a death penalty possible... Funny to hear the left claim Athens was liberal.

Now, I do have to say I am a bit put off by glorifying the Spartans. They were men with martial values, but they also lived mainly by conquering large portions of the Peloponese and expropriating the wealth of these captive nations.

I never viewed them as heroes in any sense of the word. Yes, they (along with some allies) did fight heroically at Thermopylae, but so did the Soviets at Stalingrad. I am not about to glorify either just to exalt the virtues of a warrior.


Libtards
How many times are libbys always saying, "Well it's BASED on a true story," and "it's the theme of the story, it's the intent of the art that is what should be told."

True, Frank Miller's works have featured morally ambiguous heroes- until 9-11. Batman takes on Al-Qaeda. Bruce Willis defeats pure pederast evil.

Duty, honor, country. Those three hallowed words reverantly dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be.

General MacArthurs words aren't hollow for those who try to abide by them, liberals. At least Benedict Arnold had the stones to wear a British uni when he defected, unlike you traitors.

Honestly....
...I fell asleep through most of the movie. Basically, if you've seen the trailer it's just like that, only two hours long.

Today
Brave men, and now women, are guaranteeing the safety of the west. Yet the Elites are doing their very best to accommodate the followers of a Seventh Century Death Cult.

These Spartans of today protect your way of life. It may be fashionable to embrace the Islamist radicals. History shows that the radicals d'jour will first kill those who welcome them because they do not, can not and will not fight for the way of life that allows them to exist.

God Bless the members of our military and the coalition soldiers.

May God have mercy on the Annointed Elite. You may know better than me, but I will strive to save your life anyway.

InIt2WinIt

Hamilcar Barca

No recognizable star
I beg to differ. Gerard Butler has been involved in several movies that received notice in the United States, not least being the title role in Phantom of the Opera. He was also in Timeline (Michael Crichton's time travel tale), Tomb Raider, a limited release but excellent film called Dear Frankie, and also the lead in Beowulf and Grendel.

Lord of the Rings also made a big splash in theater attendance records, and David Wenham played a supporting character, Faramir. We also found him in Van Helsing and Moulin Rouge.

I suppose if by "recognizable star" you mean the Hollywood snobs who flaunt themselves all over entertainment gossip columns by making disgusting social choices, then you're right.

Megan's point is a good one, however, and the quotes she gave are glorious and inspiring. Spartans cared a bit too much about blood and battle, and a lot too little about their children and morality - but they were brave, and understood the urgency of the political situation.

All that said, I'm disappointed at the R-rated content which will prevent me from having interest in seeing this movie.

To God be all glory,
Lisa of Longbourn


Cliched out!
Rogue Historian I totally agree with everything you said...
The production of it was done quite well, but...

This movie was like a mix between Braveheart, Gladiator, LOTR and a lesser exten Star wars. The dialogue was hilarious at points when it wasnt supposed to be funny b/c it was so fake.

I couldnt get into the acting at all. not believeable.
If you want to see this movie, see it in the theater, but dont bother if your going to wait for the DVD.

Not very historically accurate
I saw the movie last night and really enjoyed it. I usually like a bit more accuracy in a historical movie but since it's based on a comic book I try to make allowances.
First of all the Spartans liked boys. You can argue about the mentor/apprentice relationship but these older soldiers did have sex with young boys. It was widespread.
Secondly for all of the preaching about "Freedom" in the movie I don't think it was a concept the Spartans really embraced. They were ruled by a king and the Spartan nation kept the Helots as slaves. Spartans routinely terrorized and killed the Helots in order to keep them in line.
Thirdly a Spartan youth had to kill a Helot as his test of manhood not a wolf.
Fourth, the Spartans were heavy infantry wearing bronze armor and fighting in strict formations. They didn't run around the battlefield in leather jocks and break formation every two minutes.
There were some truths in the movie and it was enjoyable but I would not hold the Spartans or Spartan society up as something to be admired.

Animalgirl
It's too bad you're back but since you are let me ask: why are your panties all in a knot over this movie? (Isn't that the phrasing you and your ilk are always using to scold Brett Bozell when he objects to some particularly sleazy piece of trash that's being thrust into the public's face via TV, Cable Hollywood, etc.) 'If you don't like it, just don't watch it' is always added.

I assume you haven't seen it, so you're only adopting the lib/party religious line but my suggestion would be the same in any case, the same admonition thrown right back in your face: don't let it bother you, ignore it, don't see it and leave those who want to see it, do so and be glad it's available. Your unsolicited sneering and ridicule is not needed and quite unnecessary. Period.

Last Night
Watched '300.' My friend, who is a 9/11 conspiracy junkie, considered the movie pro-Iraq propaganda. I disagreed. Maybe it was the nine-foot transvestite. Maybe the three or four minutes of soft porn. Maybe the cereal commercial scenes of the young Spartan and his mother communing in a field of swaying wheat. Or it could have been the gratuitous male nudity. Whatever it was, it left me unsatisfied.

Putting Shakespearean dialogue in the mouths of savages may have been meant to highlight instinctual categories- I thought it confused the issue.

The thrust of the movie seemed totally different to me. It seemed to want to explore, through cliche ridden dialogue and physical stereotypes, the historical and psychological origins of racialism in Western culture.

I don't buy it.

Don't you remember?
Xerxes was the king in the Queen Esther story. To make him a giant, painted and pierced and just plain ugly, is hardly Biblical history.

I'm going to put in my "One Night with the King" CD again.

On critics: let's not get carried away
To those who say, "If the critics hate a movie, then I'm bound to like it" -- well, I know where you're coming from. I've been paying attention to politically motivated movie reviews for some time. I still remember Newsweek's vicious pan of "The Green Mile," a movie I loved, because its depiction of the character of John Coffey was not politically correct enough to suit them; similarly, they bashed "The Incredibles," another movie I loved, for daring to insinuate that violence may be the only proper response to certain forms of aggression. "The Incredibles" also won the wrath of some liberal critics because it satirized our suit-happy society (the lead character, a superhero, is SUED by a man whose life he saved!). I also seem to remember "Braveheart" getting its share of grief from liberal critics.

However, we should beware of broad-brush dismissal. Occasionally, critics get it right. A few examples:
Critics loved the "LOTR" trilogy. So did I.
Critics enjoyed "Walk the Line." So did I.
Critics appreciated "Master and Commander: the Far Side of the World." So did I.
Critics liked "Cinderella Man." So did I.
Critics liked "Bridge to Terabithia." So did I. (I've been very pleased to see that this movie is still holding its own at the box office, too.)
Critics loved "Schindler's List." So did I.

Those are just a few.
I have enough experience with reading reviews to know that general critical praise offers no guarantee that I will like a movie. However, likewise, general critical lambasting is no automatic sign of movie enjoyability. The critics bashed "Eragon," didn't they? And they should have. It was a dreadful movie.

The biggest clue: WHY are the critics bashing or praising the film? That tells me more than anything. Anytime either the praise or the bashing has more to do with the film's politics than with the film's storytelling, I am automatically suspicious.

I do not go to the movies for politics; I don't go to have my own views endorsed or trashed. I go to be moved and enthralled by a narrative. All I ask of a movie is this: "Tell me a story. Make me care." If the movie does these things well, it has done its job.

Animal girl...
...Brute force will beat civilized force any day.

Asteriks
Good point. I might add that Xerxes' determination to conquer the Greek city-states stemmed from the Athenians' assistance to the Ionians who rebelled against his grandfather, Cyrus, in the process of which the Ionians burned the Persian "satrapy capital" of Sardis. Xerxes intended to return the favor by burning Athens. Which he eventually did, but only after the evacuation of the city by the Athenian navy, under Themistocles. The "Stand of the 300" (plus 700 or so Thesbians) at Thermopylae bought Themistocles time to convince the rest of the Athenians not to hang about to be besieged by the Persian army, which had about 250,000 soldiers left after losing about 20,000 at Thermopylae. At the time, the total population of Greece was only about 600,000 total, and Athens accounted for about 10% of that, so it's a good two-drachm bet that any siege would have ended in a massacre of the Athenians by Xerxes' forces.

The two salient points here are;

1. The Eastern "strong-man" culture puts heavy emphasis on loyalty to family first, with blood feuds and the long bearing of grudges being considered entirely appropriate reasons for state policy, and

2. What we would define as atrocities committed against non-combatants were and are defined as entirely normal and appropriate means of conducting state policy, in time of war or peace.

This is why, as much as i love good fiction (especially SF), I have always found real history at least as interesting, and often more so.

cheers

eon

AZPhil
My comment was a joke. 300 is a simply a movie made by people who want to make a profit. It is more closely related to contemporary video games then contemporary politics. I find it laughable that so much is being read into it by both sides.

Great Commentary Megan!
The critics these days do not rave about anything that does not fit with their agenda. They loved Brokeback Mountain, which by the way is collecting dust on the shelves of video stores, and they have trouble selling their previously viewed copies. They raved over Good Night and Good Luck which is also another dust collector. They Panned The Passion of Christ, The Nativity, and never even mention movies like Facing the Giants, and The End of the Spear. These movies have truth, and show real courage. Not the courage it takes to come out of the closet, mind you, but the courage it takes to fight, and to die for your faith or your country. Like you said, they do not respect true self-sacrifice. They only respectthemselves.

Americans/Al Qaeda the Same?
You have to love the very first comment in this thread.

In typical liberal fashion, Lon suggests "this movie should be popular both with the neo-cons and with al qaeda since each can see itself in the role of Sparta."

Unless he has forgotten, Al Qaeda's preferred method of (ahem) combat, whether in the West or in Iraq, is to attack civiilians — unarmed men, defenceless women, and innocent children — occasionally with suicide (excuse me) homicide bombers but always preferably by means of a hidden bomb.

To those who whine that they are forced to do that because of the disparity in numbers and forces (the poor things), doesn't the stand of Leonidas's 300 at the battle of Thermopylae show something quite different? Maybe, just maybe, Al Qaeda's fight is *not* the same as Leonidas's, far from it; maybe it is closer to that of Xerxes.

As soon as I read A O Scott's review (the New York Times writer even manages to bring in suggestions of racism!), I knew the film could only be outstanding.

I've always enjoyed
reading Megan's reviews, but she's gone up quite a bit in my estimation because:

1. This review on 300. Very well done (though I'd be curious to hear what Frank Miller thinks of the movie).

2. This very excellent column she wrote on The Lord of the Rings:

http://www.boundless.org/features/a0000860.html

3. The fact that she had the good humor to participate in this interview at News Blog Central (scroll down 'til you get to the Jul 12, 2006 - 04:02 AM post):

http://www.newsblogcentral.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=215&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Keep up the good work, Megan!


Ok let me see if i understand...
from some the comments in this posting make little sense, so let me try to understand this a little better. some here liken he Spartans to the Iraqis with America being the invaders.

So, the Iraqis are fighting against the tyranny of free democratic republicanism, and they are fighting for their freedom to be ruled by a socialist dictator under a bloodied fist?

(hmm... Baath socialist party...? no wonder the socialist left was going ape crap over Iraqi Freedom)


Ah well.

This is a good point to drive into the ground about critics. They are soooooooo out of touch with the rest of society. I think the fallacy lies in the fact that most of us in the working class (that is, we who actually do something productive, that makes life possible for those like the elite) don't care about artsy fartsy movies or heavy handed shamefests. We can't tolerate political grandstanding if its dreadfully boring. We just to sit back, relax, and enjoy a good story. Hence none of your Oscar picks resonate with us. (Nice to see you guys still pat each other on the back from time to time, though.) Hence none of the movies that utterly blow away the box office resonate with critics.

The fact of the matter is, critics are just out of touch with the rest of us.

I believe it was Ike's mother...
...who told him,before he left to fight WW1,to come home with his shield,or on it.

No DS, Iraqis will not love this movie
Persia is the ancient name for Iran. Sparta is defending Western Civilization in buying time for Greece to organize and repel the invaders. This is clearly a war between East and West and there is no doubt who each side is.

Also note the Spartan’s dialog about freedom, while the Persians are slaves to their God-king. An Iraqi insurgent is not fighting for freedom. He is fighting for his God.

There is no confusing these sides.

MStone
I don't deny that the Spartans believed in Freedom. THEIR freedom, not of others.

I'm not saying that 300 isn't a good allegory, or of anything else. I'm saying that Sparta is not a kind of government which anyone should emulate. When you start lionizing a government that organized the random killing of its non voting citizens (The Krypteia), demanded that children be raised by the state, and terrorized its surrounding neighbours, you have to wonder- Is their love of freedom countered by their absolute barbarity?

Like Bountyhunter said, and I have said, Athens fought in this very same war. They burned their city to the ground rather than give in to the Persians, fighting on every rampart and wall and through the streets with desperate ferocity. And they did so as a democracy.

Which city is it better to emulate?


In The Front Lines
What Ms. Basham misses about the Greek style of warfare is that the kings and the generals fought in the front lines, as did many philosophers, poets and playwrights. This is as true for Athens as for Sparta. I suspect that the main, yet unspoken point in her article is that the current American hoi polloi should quit being so squeamish and go off to fight the Persians (Iranians) while leaving the neo-con ruling elite (who have other priorities) back home, safe in their fortified palaces and think tanks. The mental image of Dubyah, Dick Cheney, George Will and Bill Clinton out there with their helmets, shields, swords, breastplates, and long spears marching to the attack to the sound of flutes with red capes flapping in the breeze gave me one of the best laughs I have had in months. Then, in my mind's eye I spotted Hillary Clinton, also in the front row of the phalanx, similarly clad, but carrying a lamp to throw at the Persians instead of a spear...

Movies vs. history
I'm sometimes amazed at how hard liberals are willing to work at missing the point.

If you're trying to undercut the theme of this movie by telling us all how life REALLY was in Sparta, or how the battle of Thermopylae REALLY was fought, give it a rest. We're talking about the MOVIE here, not history.

Within the context of the movie, the Spartans are the people who understand that freedom needs to be defended. The Athenians are the effete intellectuals who do not. In the context of the movie, the Spartans are the ones whose sacrifice emboldens all the Greek states to follow their example.

This didn't used to be a liberal-vs.-conservative kind of thing. This used to be something that just about every American understood.

Sparta is not a good Role Model
For a state.

I won't go into it too far, but I think the Roman Republic would have been a better ideal to discuss these themes. Or maybe Athens, the birthplace of the democratic state, and which stood up just as strongly against the Persians.

Historical Sparta was a brutal, undemocratic, and cruel society which denied rights far more than even the other unfair greek city states did. It was far more "statist" than I think anyone here would like (Give up your children after they are born to the state to rear?) and started a war with Athens which dragged on over 50 years simply because they had nothing better to do.

And finally, on V is for Vendetta, I offer one comment- When a government is as corrupt and evil as the one is in that movie, would you fight it or would you buckle in and submit, just like every Greek City state in 480BC?

I thought you'd pick the first option. :D

Megan
Very fine review, not only of the movie but of a cross section of the cultural arbiters. It's not unexpected that they usually end up sneering at what resonates with the public which not only illustrates just how out of phase they are, but underscores the fact that what they do is promote rather than review. And as Megan has alluded to, their reviews reflect more their own degeneracy and corruption than anything a movie has to offer.

Also, noted is the fact that the public responds to and appreciates a movie more when the producers make an effort to reflect history accurately, warts and all, rather than distort it to serve a political agenda.

Iraqis would love this movie
Iraqis would see themselves as the Spartans fighting against the goliath US invaders.

a superpower invading a third world country, lie about it and brag about it. Sick..sick..sick..



It's a shame
It's really a shame that "300" had to be filled with violence and sex. It really has a good underlying theme, but I fear that may people couldn't see past the veil of blood.

There have been better movies in the past involving the 300 Spartans, and you can occasionally see them on some of the old-fashioned tv networks. They focus more on strategy in the battle, which I find much more appealing than the rivers of blood and gore which flow through "300".

Slaves to an Ideology from the East 2
A new face of Al Qaeda emerges in Lebanon
by Souad Mekhennet & Michael Moss
The International Herald-Tribune, March 15, 2007

Palestinian Shakir al-Abssi has shown himself to be a canny operator. Despite being on terrorism watch lists around the world, he has set himself up in a Palestinian refugee camp where, because of Lebanese politics, he is largely shielded from the government. The camp also gives him ready access to a well-stocked pool of recruits, young Palestinians whose militant vision has evolved from the struggle against Israel to a larger Islamic cause.

Intelligence officials here say that he has also exploited another source of manpower: They estimate he has 50 MILITANTS FROM SAUDI ARABIA and other Arab countries fresh from fighting with the INSURGENCY IN IRAQ. The officials say they fear that he is seeking to establish himself as a terror leader on the order of Zarqawi...

In January, Lebanese authorities picked up TWO SAUDI ARABIAN MEN leaving Abssi's camp, and learned both men had FOUGHT IN IRAQ. Two more men were found leaving the camp last month, General Rifi said.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/15/news/lebanon.php

From what I remember
The Spartans practiced what was know as "chaste pederasty"--meaning they did promote a boy having a close relationship with an older male, but it was not sexual.


Slaves to an Ideology from the East
Analysis: New Hope In 'Death Triangle' -- Second Of Two Parts
by Pamela Hess
UPI, March 14, 2007

Gen. Ali Jassim Hamad al-Fereej, the commander of the Iraqi 4th Brigade, 6th Division believes 2007 is going to be Iraq's year of decision. Still, his men are not adequately armed for the fight. The insurgents and terrorists he is battling -- Shiite militia, AL QAIDA IN IRAQ & SUNNI REJECTIONISTS -- have long-range mortars that hold his troops at risk when they are on base or at a security post.

Gen. al-Fereej believes it is religious fanatics who have attacked his town. "We cannot be like IRAN OR SAUDI ARABIA. We are different," he said. He says it is not about religion but about power, with self-interested groups jockeying for influence or control.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/security/article_21269023.shtml

Hook, Line, and Sinker
This movie will sound the death-knell for the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" military policy.

According to Evangelical.us http://www.evangelical.us/homosexuality/not-the-same.html

At one time in Sparta the men were 100% homosexual.

In Sparta (a Greek city-state) boys were taken from their mothers at age seven to live with other boys and begin their military training. At age 12 they were paired with an older single man (22-25 years old) who became their teacher, mentor and lover. The problem the Spartans had was when it came time for men to be married they didn't want to leave their male partners.

To make it easier for her husband to have sex with her on their wedding night the bride would shave her head and wear the clothes of a young boy. Her husband would leave his male lover, come to be with his wife, and then return to his male lover.

300
The only way this movie could be better is if Megan Basham played the wife.

More to the point
The story of the Greco-Persian Wars of 480-454 BC (approximate dates, especially the end date) makes this point succinctly;

Democracy, the principle of every man having his say, is a Western concept. Eastern cultures, from ancient Persia down to the present, have put great emphasis on rule by autocrats. It's not that the peoples in question are incapable of governing themselves in a pluralistic manner, it's that all their traditions, going back to ancient times, are four-square in favor of "strong man rule". The Greek city states were the first known culture to turn away from this tradition in the belief that the principle of "one man, one vote" was a superior system. If not for the stand of the Spartans (and their Thesbian allies) under Leonidas at Thermopylae, and the associated naval victory of the Athenian fleet under Themistocles over Xerxes' navy at the Artemesium Strait, the new concept of democracy would have died a-borning.

And those who claim to cherish it so much, of the modern-day "progressive" bent, would not be in a position to protest the actions of their government which they are so opposed to.

Xerxes, and those who followed him, tended to deal with dissent with the headsman's ax.

FTR, I recently watched the History Channel special, "Last Stand of the 300", featuring Steven Pressfield, author of "Gates of Fire". A very interesting and informative way to spend a couple of hours, and I highly recommend it.


cheers

eon

Mike R
Well, you can always stay home and rent "Fahrenheit 911" for accuracy in filmmaking if you want.

Pamela

Excellent posting, I agree with you whole-heartedly.

I wasn't going to see this movie, but since the majority of critics say it sux, that is reason enough for me to see it.

The movies I have enjoyed the most had the worst reviews.

"300"
"...anemic intellectual types tend to feel a bit defensive (and perhaps inadequate?) in the face of such traditionally masculine sentiments as honor and country."

Best analysis I have read about this movie. Excellent! I'm a fan now!

MDPardo

Can't we honor BOTH?
This may be a little off-topic, but I find Basham's comment about the effeminacy of a nation that "honors its artists and scholars above its warriors" worth a comment.

First, I don't disagree with Basham. The letter of her point is accurate. We must always honor our warriors and continue to honor them, because without them, we have no nation at all -- no artists, no scholars, no teachers, no athletes, no peace officers, no nothing. Our ability to defend ourselves against agressors is a foundation on which everything else rests.

However, I do wonder: why must our honoring of warriors be placed in some sort of opposition or contrast to our honoring of artists and scholars? Are not BOTH essential to a nation's quality of life? A quick trip over to Suzanne Fields' column, "Much Ado About a Lot," reveals the mammoth influence of Shakespeare, not simply on how we speak but on how we THINK. The Romantic poets, Wordsworth and Coleridge and Keats et. al, also brought about a revolution in our thinking: they and their work helped clarify the concept of the unique individual human soul, as well as the power of the imagination.

We owe a great debt to the Spartan heroes whose courage inspired "300." But we also owe a debt to Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, and Aristotle. Why should be not honor ALL these men, each for his own contribution to the world of his own time and our world today? It was, after all, a great artist -- Homer -- whose celebration of fighting men and courage and honor in battle, "The Iliad," still rings clear and true for modern readers. I am grateful to the valiant men and women fighting for our country today, and I'm also grateful to Homer, Shakespeare, and Wordsworth because my day-to-day life would be far poorer without them.

Delios (the David Wenham character) was sent away from the battle because Leonidas knew he had a gift none of the others shared. Delios was the storyteller among them, the artist. He mattered because he alone could carry their story back home to their people.

Soldiers and artists, when they work as they should, do not work in opposition to each other. They work in tandem for the life of their nation, and depend on one another. We must honor them BOTH.



Yes, History
What the Spartans did, BHL, is stall the Persians long enough for the rest of Greece to prepare for the invasion. Did the Spartans deliver the killing blow? No. But don't discount their importance.

Also don't use the word "Liberal" in a historical context and hope that people compare it to liberalt today. The word has changed much over the millenia. The politics of Athens would make modern leftists choke on their own geenhouse gasses.

History
My history might be out of date, or confusing wars, but didn't the Liberal Athenians fight and defeat the Persians at Salamis?

For all the ideologues trying to put present day political ideologies on past actions, Sparta's strength was in its land based army. Athens strength was in its fleet.

Lon
Don’t you know? The Spartans are the conservatives who always vote Republican. They have slaves, dominate the military and blindly follow whatever their king orders. They are bravely protecting the Athenians who are all those snooty liberals who think they are so smart. The Athenians have universities, democracy and believe themselves to be smugly superior to all those good old Spartan boys. The Persians are, well Persians. They are inherently evil, have strange sexual perversions and want to conquer the world and make everyone else their slaves. It’s just like today. I think the Athenians even tried to establish spear control and regulate the sale of arrows in the market. Luckily for them, the Spartans didn’t agree. Heck you can probably predict the future by looking at what’s left of Sparta and her works and comparing it to what’s left of Athens and her works. I mean Athens doesn’t even exist any more. Isn’t Sparta the Capital of Greece?

Which side are the Spartans?
So the theme of the movie is that a militistic subset of a population is willing to sacrifice itself to preserve its civilization against the threat of the only existing superpower. It would seem that this movie should be popular both with the neo-cons and with al qaeda since each can see itself in the role of Sparta.

I guess that is the advantage of "trumpeting such abstract principles as Glory, Duty, and Destiny". They are not side specific so each side of a conflict can embody them for their own side.

As for taken from history though, Herodotus did not have the modern sense that history needed to be accurate. Shakespeare takes his witches in MacBeth from history books as well. It would be silly to confuse that with taking them from history.
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