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Thursday, June 25, 2009
Matt Towery :: Townhall.com Columnist
Critical "Swing" States Appear to Oppose Healthcare Proposals
by Matt Towery
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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


I've always thought that "national horserace" polls in presidential elections are silly, even though my firm must conduct them, too. We all learned dramatically in 2000 that the popular vote of the nation as a whole means nothing if a candidate doesn't carry the electoral vote -- and that means winning key "swing" states.

The same is true for national polls on issues such as healthcare reform. One that caught a lot of flack was a recent New York Times survey. It went to great pains to describe all of the details of a healthcare proposal that might be one component of all the current proposals facing Congress. The Times' wording of its poll question made "national healthcare" sound like candy canes and lemon drops. Not surprisingly, the poll produced a result that no one could swallow -- that well more than 70 percent of Americans favor the president's healthcare proposal.

The Times' survey may have been spot on for whatever world it polled in. But its results won't hold water in some of the critically important states where Senate Democrats -- who will be needed to pass any healthcare reform -- must attempt to stay popular.

Take North Carolina, for example. Our own InsiderAdvantage poll, conducted for the Southern Political Report, surveyed more than 800 registered voters in that state. The poll indicated that both incumbent Republican Sen. Richard Burr and the newly elected Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan are not exactly the toast of the town. Both have approval ratings of 39 percent. That's bad. Really bad.

For Hagan, the news should be a wake-up call. That's because the same poll showed Barack Obama with an approval rating of 50 percent in North Carolina. That's exactly where he was in November when he defeated John McCain. But Hagan has tumbled from a 53-percent victory in November to an undeniably low approval rating now. And it has happened quickly. So what gives?

Here is the answer: Congress has taken control of healthcare reform, and the public just doesn't care for Congress. With each passing week, the House and Senate more and more confuse and scare the public. Lawmakers do this damage by unscrolling more -- and more complicated -- versions of new national healthcare plans.

Again, 50 percent of residents of North Carolina approve of the president's job performance, while 37 percent disapprove, with the rest undecided. These same poll respondents said they oppose "the healthcare proposals" -- as they understand them -- that are being advocated by Obama and the Congressional Democratic leadership, by 51 percent to 45 percent.

More important, independent voters, who are the swing vote needed to win in states where Republicans and Democrats trade power from time to time, oppose the proposals overwhelmingly.

Sen. Hagan is among a group of moderate Democrats in the U.S. Senate whose support will be critical if any form of healthcare legislation is to pass, this year or in the foreseeable future. Having reviewed these polling numbers, and having conducted non-partisan polls of the 2008 presidential race in North Carolina for a major national media firm, Politico -- polls that correctly showed that Obama would win here -- I can't imagine that Sen. Hagan can be at all comfortable with this "X-ray" of public sentiment on healthcare.

While we have not finished polling other critical swing states, including many represented by Democratic senators -- there's good reason to believe that North Carolina residents don't read the healthcare issue much differently than do people in other critical swing states.

Perception is reality to the public. If you feed them a polling question designed to make them "like" something, most respondents will say they do indeed like it. But if you ask them straight up what, based on what they know, they think about a particular piece of legislation, you'll get a more realistic snapshot.

Sen. Hagan has five more years before re-election. That's five years to dig herself out of a hole not of her making, and regain her popularity. But it doesn't look like she'll be able to get back her political sea legs by hanging out with a congressional Democratic leadership that traffics in toxic pieces of legislation.

If it's any consolation, Senator, you're not alone.

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Prediction
The Wall Street Journal-NBC poll came up with roughly the same result-- the RW spin machine can soften support but the broad middle of America no longer buys the distortion and outright lies about a public-private option.

The telling line is "as they understand them". That is the hope of the naysayers-- that million dollar propaganda campaigns of the mega-health industry can scare people ala Harry and Louise-- and make sure enough Democrats stay mushy(never mind the GOP in its pocket).

Any such change that affects people personally is going to be met with skepticism-- until folks start seeing the difference in their lives-- and believe me, future generations are going to wonder: what took you so long?

GENERIC DRUG SAVINGS
How many Americans especially seniors, DO NOT use insurance to buy 'generic' medications from their local Wal-Mart, grocery or drug store pharmacy? The savings for consumers (patients) are enormous. How much do you want to bet, government will SHUT this service down?
Just as we're going to be kissing our earnings 'goodbye' to taxes, we will be kissing our health 'goodbye' for the GOOD (SAVINGS) of government.

Royinoslo..Trial Lawyers in Dem's Pocket
How do you defend John Edwards and like getting wealthy off our Healthcare Providers?
The system clearly needs reforming. The problem is that Obama is not addressing costs,efficiency, and ways to increase the supply of Providers. I'm not saying that Republicans have a solution either. But first - do no harm.
I don't buy Dem's sincerity when they refuse to consider tort reform - it smacks of politics.

anglers reward
Great Point! I keep telling people to look at a hospital bill and look what they charge for giving you an aspirin.

Tort Reform

Most everyone agrees with Tort Reform.

Everyone except Liberals.

MY OWN HEALTHCARE PLAN
With the Obama Healthcare plan it has been said that medical care for the elderly will be rationed.

If this will be the case I have decided on my own healthcare plan when I am among the elderly.
Since my heritage is 1/16th Choctow Indian, following the traditions of my heritage, in my twilight years I will go off alone, find a big oak tree and sit quietly for the remaining time. There will be no concerns about being denied MRI's or plugs being pulled. Just a quiet sunset to the Happy Hunting Ground.

Thank you America, it was fun while it lasted.

There are
three areas that have to be addressed before anything useful can be done to bring healthcare under control.
And those are:

1. education of the ignorant masses.
a.old people have old parts and go to the Dr. thinking they can suddenly get their bodies back to that of a thirty yr. old.
b.young families who actually no nothing, so it's off to the Dr.
2. Doctors that perform totally unneeded tests & often refer you to a specialist(to pass the money around).
3. Massive tort reform--our corrupted health business.
Without changes in these three, Government meddling will only increase the "bad" crap we have now.

These are the stats
They “say” c. 46,000,000 lack health insurance:**

1) 70% of the uninsured are between ins.’s and do not lack coverage for a year.
2) 20% are illegals**
3) 10% are chronically unemployable** or homeless,** or otherwise MIA socially;

Of the above:
33% live in households earning over at least $50,000 a year and elect not to buy ins.
25% are between 18 and 35 and deliberately do not cover themselves. Their med. exp. average c. $1000 a year out of pocket.
34% are children eligible for Medicaid or SCHIPS, but are not registered. They can be treated for small or greater med. problems at any emergency room, which is what the uninsured usually elect to do.

The costs for 2009 for emergency room care for the uninsured was $1658 a person or $86 billion. BUT THAT’S A LOT CHEAPER THAN THE $1.6 TRILLION PROPOSED BY KING ELECT O AND MINIONS.
The Office of the Budget predicts BEST CASE $1.6 trillion, but John McCain says that cost will be minimally $3 TRILLION.

(CBO estimation that says O's numbers for med. *reform* are well under evaluated.)

Regardless, with the $1 TRILLION stimulus and $1.6 TRILLION deficit, there is no money.
Overall it would be cheaper, less invasive of privacy, less crippling of America medical services just to give tax credits of $1600 to each uninsured for the usually one year they are uninsured.

** MIT says the 46,000,000 number is actually bogus, as the 7-30,000,000 illegals (however many) will not be covered by any plan, and the homeless number is very high as it has never come in above 3 million in any real count.

202-224/225-3121 Sen.
202-456-1111 WH
202-456-2230 WH
202-456-1414 WH

If you don't want King Elect O's socialism, call the above because they aren't reading TH.

The Best Solution
If the Feds truly wanted to reduce healthcare costs across the board, all they would have to do would be to open up say 50 or 100 institutions across the land whose sole objective would be to turn out doctors and nurses.

Significantly increase the supply of aforementioned and make pricing transparent, and you drive down the cost.

Make it legal for accredited nurses to treat patients with cuts, colds and headaches, let them write prescriptions and voala - supply meets demand.

BTW, teaching institutions would probably pay for themselves after a short time.

End the AMA's stranglehold on healthcare, build up this growing segment of our economy, but keep govt the hell out of it.

Don't forget
Oh, and don't forget tort reform (big chance of that happening with the lawyer/liar in chief in charge.

Kiss your doctor goodbye!!!!!!!!
The moment your employer (or your "caring" union) has an option to punt you off onto the U.K. styled die in the waiting room system they will. The unions will do it first. They want to take all the cash they've been using for health care and give it to O'Vomit for his next theft of office.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

LD 35, you forgot
all the "defensive medicine". Ordering too many expensive tests to cover themselves in lawsuits against claims they didn't look for the tumor or whatever in time.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Wrat Wrangler
You're right, i did forget that one. Thanks!

Slight problem
I will say this about Obama's townhall meeting on health care last night.

There was unanimous agreement among the citizens there, both on the left and on the right, that the George W. Bush health care policy-- that is, sitting around doing nothing for 8 years -- was not acceptable.

I am confident that had George W. Bush been competent, we would have a better plan.

Unfortunately, he was not.

I have an idea....
How about we wait and see how the TARP and the takeover over of Chrysler/GM works out before we hand over another authoritarianistic plan by this Teleprompter-in-Chief? This clown thinks he's King and must be stopped at every turn.

God Help this country.

JoeRP
This isn't about what Bush did or didn't do. The "0" won the election and it is about what he wants to do. You are so living in 2008. You might try waking up and joining us in 2009.
BTW: I am one of those uninsured and I don't want anything to do with Obamacare. If it passes they will have to force at gunpoint (literally) to sign up.
The only insurance reform that needs to be done is to get State and Federal Government out of the mandating business. Have insurance only for catastrophic purposes and each individual pay as you go.

Coach
"The only insurance reform that needs to be done is to get State and Federal Government out of the mandating business."

That is absurd. There are serious problems within the "private" insurance industry as well as hospitals. A lot of increase in costs is due to additional work they create for themselves.

Anyone who does not understand that the status quo is untenable is out of the loop.

The fact that Republicans did nothing when they had the chance will hardly play out as a "2008" issue as you called it. It is relevant in the present because we will now end up with a plan that will be worse than if a responsible republican had been in the White House.

minimum wagers with big car payments
Consider those without health insurance that have hefty car payments. Consider that you are required to have auto insurance but not health insurance. There's an intelligent solution out there somewhere.

TRUST ME
It's not just the swing states. They're just the first to discover what's in this bill.
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