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Thursday, September 13, 2007
Matt Towery :: Townhall.com Columnist
Public Opposition To Small Troop Reductions Raises Similarity To Carter Days
by Matt Towery
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An InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion survey of 1044 registered voters nationwide shows public opinion evenly split over the opinion provided by General David Petraeus in his report this week to Congress on our progress in Iraq. That's the good news for President Bush, given the many reports and commentaries that suggest the general had a sketchy case.

Now the bad news for Bush and proponents of a 30,000-troop reduction by next summer: By a 58 percent to 34 percent margin, Americans say the reduction is not enough. A majority wants more troops than that home by then.

Here's the key: By a 43 percent to 36 percent margin, poll respondents said they'd be less likely to vote for the Republican nominee for president if a substantial number of troops "have not been withdrawn from Iraq by Election Day." (The other 21 percent were undecided.)

The plot gets even thicker when the poll is broken down by party affiliation. Nearly 20 percent of those identifying themselves as Republicans said they'd be less likely to vote for their own party's nominee if big troop reductions don't happen.

Among those who consider themselves independent voters -- the ones who put recent Republican presidential candidates over the top -- 12 percent said they'd be less likely to vote for the GOP ticket without drastic troop reductions.

What does this all mean? First, it tells us that many Americans recognize that there has been genuine progress in bringing some degree of calm to Iraq. Given the endless drumbeat of bad stories and commentary, that is amazing in and of itself. However, the fact that only 49 percent of all Americans agree with the administration's assessment is hardly cause for celebration at the White House.

The fact is, most Americans originally supported the war, later became skeptical and now want our troops back home. It doesn't mean they don't support the troops or the overall cause. Rather, they have grown weary and can no longer distinguish a clear connection between 9/11 and a continued war in Iraq. Clearly there are arguments to support that connection, but if the public cannot make the mental leap needed to do so, then, from a public-opinion basis, the effort is of no value.

And cute tricks, such as having General Petraeus testify one day before the anniversary of 9/11, have little impact on public perception. To many Americans, the election is about Iraq, stupid.

Oddly, my polling tells me that by November of 2008 the issue will be the same that created disaster for the Democrats and Jimmy Carter in 1980 -- the economy. Remember James Carville's stinging slogan for Bill Clinton: "It's the economy, stupid."

James was right, and he used the issue to create a wedge that -- once Ross Perot's third-party candidacy was tossed in -- worked to elect Clinton.

The combination of Iraq and a threat and the economy should be of great concern to those Republicans vying for their party's nomination.

I believe this election is much like the 1980 battle between Carter and Reagan. A bad economy combined with a seemingly unsolvable international crisis -- the Iranian hostage crisis for Carter -- created huge discontent among the public.

The difference this time is that none of the GOP candidates for president are White House incumbents, as Carter was then for the Democrats. So there's no pressing need for the Republicans to resolve the international crisis prior to Election Day, as Carter needed to do.

Put another way, Bush and his general can make their small reductions in troops in Iraq and hurt only one person -- the coming GOP nominee.

Few remember that Jimmy Carter and his staff came close to negotiating freedom for the hostages just before the election. When the effort failed, Carter's pollster, Pat Caddell, had to inform Carter that the election would likely go to Reagan.

To his credit, Carter tried to resolve the Iranian issue. If Bush and the GOP presidential field remain steadfast in this "stay until we win" mindset, they will likely sentence the GOP to the same fate Carter faced. Defeat.

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statesmanship vs. partisanship
" Here's the key: By a 43 percent to 36 percent margin, poll respondents said they'd be less likely to vote for the Republican nominee for president if a substantial number of troops 'have not been withdrawn from Iraq by Election Day.' "

Bush doesn't care.
And all the other Republicans have to decide too if they want to set warfighting strategy in Iraq based on what's likely to maximize their chances of winning the November 2008 elections.

If they sincerely doubt the war is going well, as Hagel does, that's one thing.

But I would have even LESS respect for the Republicans if they started finagling America's warfighting strategy just to help themselves win more elections.

If the GOP loses the November 2008 election, so be it. At least they will have lost honorably.

America's responsibility
"The fact is, most Americans....can no longer distinguish a clear connection between 9/11 and a continued war in Iraq."

True, but that shouldn't lead them to demand that America just flee from Iraq and abandon the place to its fate.

I think it was a mistake to invade Iraq too. But I also think it would be just as big a mistake to flee from there before we have stabilized the situation. The original rationale for invading Iraq was flawed; but I suggest that after 4 years, that issue is now moot.

America inadvertently created the chaos in Iraq right now, and only America can fix it. It's our responsibility to help fix the godawful mess we helped make. Not run away from it and just hope that the Europeans or the U.N. or the Middle Eastern Muslims can fix it themselves. Ducking responsibility for our acts is not how a great world power behaves.

To Hell with Leadership - follow the sheep...
Should the good of the Nation, the World, not to mention millions of Iraqi Civilians enter into how a Commander in Chief battles a determined enemy?

No.

Only some rediculous poll that asks people to make quantitative judgements comparing troop levels to Party affiliations.

How about a poll that asks, "Would you be more likely to vote for a President who wants to win in Iraq" or "Would you be more likely to vote for a President who promises to surrender in Iraq"

If the Iraq strategy is driven by fickle opinion, we deserve to lose both the election and the war - and likely we will do just that.

Moral determination founded Democracy!
Moral determination founded Democracy!

Thinking cannot make it right, nor can thinking make it wrong.

Liberals think they are right no matter what they think. That is why they are so prolific with their lies, they do not know any better.

When the Jihad can justify dismembering and torturing a persons for their religious belief, because they will not convert to Islam, and pacifists cannot recognize the warning sign. They will be next victim because they think the enemy is a pacifist like them. The Judaists are religious dictators, and the liberals are their advocates.

If we are not willing to live and even die for the truth and for our families and freedom, then surly we will try to discourage others from do so and are therefore unworthy of them in the first place.

Thank you, Spiceman.
Mr. Small must be getting tired of the teasing of calling him a small man. Could we just stop that, and call him itsy-bitsy, or teensy-weeny, or midget-mind, or something?

polls?
they are a joke, who paid for this one? jimmy carter? now there's a joke, susan suurandon? "i give up" harry reid?
sounds a lot like some of the exit polls they use to have. and we have seen how mainstream media made out with some of them, and funny how some here are so quick to agree with this "poll" methinks i smell some move on's here.

Spring
The only important poll will be taken in the Spring. The force level will come down simply because we don't have the forces to sustain it. Further, Fallon has made it clear that his increasing priority is to have forces available for other threats - which is not currently the case. At that point, we will know whether or not the Iraqi's have responded in any meaningful way to the surge. If they have not, then you will see Republicans begin to re-evaluate what to do next, and how to do it.

I also happen to suspect that the economy is going to play an increasing role next fall. The underlying issue, after all, is that for five years the Fed manipulated a consumer led recovery from the market crash by encouraging housing inflation, which gave consumers trillions of dollars which they pumped back into the economy. This is now gone. Clinton rode on the backs of market speculation supported by the fed, and Bush has ridden on the back of housing speculation supported by the fed. These options are now gone. The combination carried the good times for over 10 years.

Regardless of what the fed does, it cannot repeat either one of these in the forseeable future. Normalcy may be fine - but the question will be whether it, without the volume of speculative dollars force fed into the economy, will be enough.

If not, growth will falter, and the onset of the retirement of the baby boomers - which will drive up the costs of entitlement, will increasingly dominate the discussion.

polls
are pointless you can manipulate them any way you want to say what you want. it is all in how you ask the question, how you present the data, and who you ask.

"The Republicans are going down in the
next election."

Once again, Ron Paul is right.

Not only does Bush not get it, he also doesn't seem to care what we Americans think. Another recent example is the Amnesty debacle.

I'm starting to think that Bush really IS "on something..."


Vote WISDOM into office. http://www.ronpaul2008.com

trust the public's judgment
From the polls I've seen, the American public is not eager to see a disastrous American defeat in Iraq.

But they also have long since stopped trusting Bush to lead America in this war--his approval ratings are only around 35%.

I think the American public overall has made a more nuanced judgment than either the partisans of the left or the partisans of the right: They don't want to lose in Iraq if at all possible, but they also want to put a new team in the White House and give them a chance to succeed where the Bushies failed. And that is going to be a real drag on any GOP candidate who will find it real difficult to break with Bush in any substantive way.

What that means is that conservatives will get the Iraq War they want but they will get Hillary as the Commander-in-Chief to lead it.

Yada, yada, yada
The U.S. government and the country in general ran much more smoothly when our leaders made decisions based on common sense; before the invention of opinion polls.

Imagine
Imagine the USA fighting World War II, especially 1942-43 based on public polling.

Crazier still is fighting an insurgent/ guerilla war based on public polling. Especially when we allow those within and outside government to report military planning and classified materials as if such materials were the latest high school football scores.

Our enemy understands this world wide guerrilla war they are fighting. They understand the importance of Iraq. They understand the real lessons of Vietnam. They understand that if they win in Iraq it will be the turning point in their jihad against us. Of course better still is for the USA to retreat with tail between our legs.

Sadly, because the media and the political left refuse to support our military, so hate Bush because of 2000, and are so arrogantly naive about Islamic fundamentalism we will have again sacrificed the best of our best in vain. Who will volunteer next time? Or will we just allow the Democrats to draft our sons and daughters instead.

Remember the last election, how many who voted for Democrats believed they were voting to lose in Iraq, for turning our government over to the far, far left and for policies that will take us back to the dark ages.

Poll Driven
This is a nonsensical, incoherent article.

WARREN SMALL: is Adm. Fallon a Clinton appointee?

Say it ain't so!
Some of the folks who now dismiss polls that indicate low approval of Bush policy on Iraq were quite fond of polls showing high approval for Bush just after 9/11...but that was before Iraq and the growing realization among some that the administration had hyped the case for war.

I think the majority of Americans now believe invasion of Iraq was a mistake, but they also don't want an American "loss" there.

Bush will keep sufficient forces in Iraq to maintain the status-quo. His successor will have to come up with a clever plan to extricate alot of our forces in a way that does not leave an Iraq that is a haven for terrorists.

It is the same old story. The Iraqis themselves were supposed to "stand up as we stand down". I have heard that so much now that it is almost nauseating.

Iraq's parliament takes long vacations, Maliki government is both corrupt and infiltrated with Shia extremists, and most middleclass Iraqis with skills have fled to Jordan, Syria, becoming refugees.

Absent the Iraqis themselves coming together, the prospects are dismal..no matter if we have one hundred surges.

By the way, is Towery suggesting that Bush is as inept on foreign affairs as was Jimmy Carter?

Say it ain't so!

Not Too Worried Myself
1. Don't see too much real rocky economic news coming up. Sure don't see a recession brewing in the next 18 months. Subprime is yesterday's news by 07/08.

2. A few smashing victories in the field ovr in Iraq and Afghanistan will have folks believing success is possible. These fights are small unit actions mostly so the body count numbers aren't impressive but I think a corner has been turned.

3. Iran is on the way to making a BIG mistake assuming Bush gives a hoot about his congressional foes OR friends. He certainly could care less about his eventual successor or his "party". If I were in his shoes right now I'd feel the same way.

4. NEVER EVER discount the Democrats ability to screw themselves. I predict a Chicago '68 style convention melee for them.

5. I remember the Carter years very well. Jimmah was not going to win re-election regardless of what the Ayatollah did. He lost that election months before with Desert One and crybaby Cyrus Vance resigning in "horror".

PS to Previous Post
6. Ron Paul is going nowhere fast. He's as much the future face of the Republican party as Lyndon Larouche is of the Democrats. His "Howard Scream" moment is fast approaching.

If we lose, than we lose
You don't make commitments and then not follow through. The problem here is leadership. The Dems have clearly not shown it trading victory for votes. Pres Bush and the Republicans also have clearly left the door open for the Democratic demogogues by not keeping American people properly informed on a weekly basis. And war is always waged with mistakes and adjustments that either create victory or bring ultimate defeat.
One thing is for sure: if we leave prematurely, no matter who's in the White House, the blood bath we saw in Viet Nam(when we withdrew support for the So. Vietnamese govt, after winning the military conflict)will be dwarfed by the blood shed in Iraq, plus we'll get to fight again with the Islamo-fascists emboldened(with a victory under their belt) and with Iraq oil money now in their control to finance all the terrorist activity up the road they want. The power shift will clearly go to Iran, with all the others in the middle east having had to make peace with the stronger force(Iran) and our whole nation demorilized.
The Republicans have no good choices mostly brought on by themselves, and with the Democrats, worse. No moral standing, party of reactionaries, and no vision for the future.
Carter malaise here we come!

Matt Towery is just a RINO ...

Matt Towery has decided to focus on polling data instead of Gen. David Petraeus' report regarding results from the surge. Matt Towery has decided to drink the koolaid and join the losers. As a result, the liberal losers are drawn to him like moths to a flame. All the really big losers are here...Buck2, SteveL, jerabaub, pianogirl, and the greatest loser Warren Small.

Yep, Small mind, Small will, Small ...er no balls...Small Loser.

Public opposition to small troup reducti
I wonder why so many people who are not affected by troop strength in Iraq worry so much about the troop level. They are not being sent to Iraq to fight for their country's freedom--probably wouldn't go even if the fight was in our own country. The constant drum beat of the media is what is really causing war fatigue. The troops and families who face the constant rotation to Iraq and back, the danger, and stress are the ones who should worry about the troop strength and they are holding up wonderfully. If anything we should increase the troop strength dramatically and finsh the task. Otherwise, those who worry so much about troop strength in Iraq may find their loved ones fighing a major war in the next 10 years and they will have earned that.

Frank

Pianogirl
You have hitched your wagon to a real star. Ron Paul? Good, you vote for Ron. Just know that he is destined to get spanked in the primary like a naughty school girl. In twenty years most of the people backing him wont remember his name.

Polls
I suspect most polls are taken outside of television studios and are therefore skewed towurd Urban, Liberal, voters. I have been debating Republican politics since high school and have been a registered Republican & contributor for 30 years. Number of times I have been polled......NADA!

Good Grief!
I get really depressed when I think about how dumb this country has become. I don't mean how left or how right, I mean how incredibly dumb!!!!!

Frank
Great post. what I wonder is how people who demanded a change in plans, demanded Rumsfield head along with Casey and Abizaid, demanded a troop surge can constantly do a 180 and no one notices or sees through their bs! I guess it goes back to my original post. Dumbing down of America!

How can we lose?
How can we lose? We did what Bush set out to do by determining there were no WMDs present and we toppled Saddam. What else is there? Sooner or later the Iraqis will have to stop sucking their thumbs and pick up the oars. Whether or not the US is present. Else, with or without us there will bo no Iraq. How bad can that be?

Troop withdrawal
It is not quite the same as when Carter was there. We are there now because Carter screwed up when dealing with Iran before. Otherwise the Reza Shah would be in charge of our most powerful ally in the Middle East. We would have Iran for a friend rather than an enemy. I was in Iran when the revolution was in progress. It was just the mullahs and their employees shutting down the Bazaars and Carter made a big thing out of it until a sick and tired Shah just gave up. It was less of a revolution than a strike of greedy preachers (mullahs) attempting to wrest back some commerce from the goverment that had gone to private enterprise. We hesrd all of the tales of the Savak and our new media made a big thing of it. I used to listen to news of things I witnessed on BBC and our News outlets and I thought they were so distorted that they could not be the same incidents my students related to me. The rational peoople of Iran did not want the Ayatollah to take over. Carter was a loser just like the present Democrats are. That is the similarity.

Misreading Polls


The polling data presented seems to indicate a far different result than that presented by Mr. Towery. If only 12% of independents claim to base their vote on massive troop withdrawals where is the other 88%? When taking into account that about 33% of independents are actually unregistered Democrats the 12% figure is actually very encouraging for Republicans. Would the remaining 88% be less likely to support a candidate demanding premature withdrawal and defeat? Was the question asked? Why not? Actually at least 43% of the electorate is unlikely to vote for any Republican candidate for whatever fill in the blank reason you want to come up with (goes to church, likes apple pie, etc). Actually 43% is only considered a majority when applied to the election of Bill Clinton.
Except for the NY Times/MoveOn.org sponsored ad (the Times absorbed more than half the cost of the ad) that appeared in the Times I don’t recall seeing all the reports and commentaries detailing the “sketchy case” made by Petreaus. Perhaps Mr. Towery needs to start getting his news and commentary from somewhere other than the Times or Daily Koss.

suggestion
Anyone here who can read should go to Weekly Standard and read the piece 'Obama's new Plan'

The rest of you just carry on

Why don't we just text
... our foreign policy votes to the President? A TV show sounds promising. "American Security Dudes." Moderated by, oh, say, Letterman, Rosie, and Carville.

Anyone who has read the writings of the Founders knows that they deliberately hobbled government with checks, balances, separation of powers, republicanism (representation as opposed to direct voting on everything), and federalism -- specifically to PREVENT government from acting on whatever can be represented as the majority preference this week.

They were well aware that the passions of the electorate can be transient, superficial, and irresponsible -- and that demagogues can still take advantage of them for as long as they last, to do enduring damage. The Founders' favorite example of the perils of democracy was ancient Athens, and the depredations worked by its form of government on constancy and effectiveness in state policy (e.g., regarding the wars with Persia and Sparta).

Many of our correspondents here don't quite realize that these things HAVE been thought of before. Policy direction by weekly poll is a bad idea, one whose badness was proven 2400 years ago. It's not that no one has considered letting polls tell us, as a nation, what to think and do -- it's that this proposition has been considered and rejected, on the basis of its historical failures.

monticup
I just saw the link posted by Warren Small, and had to laugh at the predictable antiwar tendentiousness of the article.

No, Fallon was not appointed to the Central Command (the region in which Iraq falls) under Clinton. He was appointed this year by Bush.

It's very, very funny to see an antiwar writer celebrating a Navy admiral as a straight shooter who speaks truth to power, merely because the writer can find people to tell him the admiral disagrees with Petraeus and calls Petraeus names.

I have no idea what Admiral Fallon has said to or about Petraeus. He's a tough talker and a straight shooter, according to people I know who've worked for him, and if he has disagreements with subordinates or seniors he'll be straight up about that. Contrary to the impression left by the Porter article, this happens fairly often, in any theater -- it's not evidence of mismanagement, stupidity, recalcitrance, sneakiness, etc.

Fox Fallon actively disagreeing with the President's priorities in the Central Region -- the implication of the article -- sounds really fishy. This isn't something senior officers do while wearing the uniform and executing a commission from the President. It's not their job to set our national political priorities in their region, and they know that. MacArthur got fired for doing it, and rightly so. Fallon may certainly advise the President that other things are urgent, and that he's concerned about resources. That IS his job, and he would certainly do it.

If you don't have experience with flag officer staffs and relations, I would just get a big block of salt and perch it on my shoulder to read this Porter article. Bottom line.

The American public
is largely unread and uninformed about what is happening in Iraq. Also, although it fails to mean anything to the dems, the public is not trained as military experts (and don't give me this stuff about intelligence and common sense!!!). With the driveby media constantly beating the drum about dumb old Bush and his incompetent administration, headline readers get a fast derogatory visit and then we poll these people.

ps:some of you ae still reading Warren Small or is it just because you enjoy beating up on him?

Are Generals Truthfull?
Listening to Petraeus and Crocker this week I heard Al Qaeda this, Al Qaeda that, Al Qaeda will establish terrorist training camps if we leave , Al Qaeda's influence will spread to all the other nations in the region, Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda, and Al Qaeda.

How many Al Qaeda terrorists did they say have been killed or captured since the "SURGE" began? They could not recall!
How many Al Qaeda terrorists did they say are still in Iraq? They do not have a current estimate!
How long did they say will it take to kill or capture the remaining Al Qaeda in Iraq? They will get to Congress in March 2008 with and Estimate!
How long did they say will it take to "WIN" the WAR? We can only see 4 - 6 months into the future and we will not have won by then. We will give you a update in March 2008.
Did General Petraeus say the War in Iraq was making us safer here in the homeland? He said: " I'm not sure it is making America safer."

Note: The estimates of the size of Al Qaeda in Iraq according the Brookings Institution Iraq Index was less than 10 in January 2003, about 3000 in July 2006, and about 5000 in July 2007. The Reuters factbox talley indicates we have killed less than 200 since Jan. 2007.
The size of the Iraq Security Force is over 350,000 and over 200,000 of them can operate with minimal or no US Troop Support.What will they be doing if we draw down to a typical peacekeeping force of 45,000 troops?

Jim Frego
Grants Pass, OR

Are democrats truthful?
How can we know. And how can we accept the Brookings Institute as an authorative source if we can't know if they are truthfuk. Proof?

Parsing statistics and bad analogies
It appears that if you try hard enough, and want something bad enough, you can convince yourself of just about anything.

First,...what standard of measurement is being used to conclude that the current economy is comparable to the stagflation of the Carter years? Interest rates on mortgages are not at 21 percent. Jobless rates are not moving between 12 and 14 percent. The stock market is hitting all-time highs, not setting record losses. The media during Carter's administration kept attempting to minimize the economic problems. No matter what economic good news is reported by Wall Street, the major newsprint and network media these days are stretching themselves to find something gloomy to report about.

Second, President Carter's problem was his total inability to act decisively. By pressuring the Iranian government to release it’s political prisoners–those in jail for actively advocating and fomenting a revolution and overthrow of the government...there surprisingly enough was a revolution and overthrow of the Iranian government. The ensuing reactionary government of Islamic fundamentalists correctly guessed that they could humiliate the US government by invading our embassy and taking our people hostage without retribution from a Carter Whitehouse...They were smart enough to know that a Regan administration might attempt a more direct approach than President Carter's approach of sending diplomats to meet with Iranian "students" in France.

No matter the complaints lodged about President Bush, timidity and indecisiveness can not be credibly attached to the Bush administration. If politicians would make a personal stand based on their integrity and an earnest belief of what is best for the nation–instead of constantly putting their finger to test the political winds of the latest poll data, Congressional approval ratings wouldn’t be lower than Used-car Salesmen and Telemarketers.

Petraeus and Fallon
Petraeus and Fallon are both recent Bush appointees, but they have different jobs, and their readings tend to reflect their views.

Petraeus is in charge of military affairs in Iraq. Towards that end he is advocating as much military resources as possible be devoted towards Iraq. (He is advocating a draw down, but military readiness would require that draw down anyway. What Petraeus is advocating is the most troops at any given time as he was ever going to get).

Fallon is in charge of the whole region. So he has to concern himself with what is happening both insided and outside of Iraq. So if following Bush's policy hurts us in the region, that hurts Fallon's job performance, but not Patraeus. As Patraeus admitted when asked ifwhat we are doing in Iraq makes us overall safer, he doesn't know, and it isn't something he thinks about in doing his job

Terror
If not for non-pacifists, pacifists would become extinct.

A Bad Economy!?
What has this moron been smoking! We have the lowest unemployment in the history of the Republic. The economy has been growing at a 4% rate for ever. The stock market is at an all time high. Taxes are lower than they were under the sandalistas (Clintons). Interest rates are wonderful. Inflation is at record lows.

This moron is practicing the socialist strategy of telling a big lie long enough and the ignorant will believe it.

If you want to see a bad economy just elect Hillary the socialist. Taxes will increase and the economy will tank!

We are killing tens of thousands of American hating Islamofascists. We have not been hit in the last 6 years. This is very good if you leave your leftist ideology behind and look at the historical record seriously.

However... Democrats don't care about the wellbeing of America. They would rather see America trashed as long as they gain control.

Good News
If we consider that half of those polled were soccer moms plus a few liberal men, we actually have a majority (who matter) that agree with the General.

Cute tricks? It was your Democrat Congress that summoned him to testify numbskull! Bad economy? What are you smoking Matt?

In spite of the idiots who think the our magnificent military men are liars and worse, go ahead and keep enjoying the freedom they give you without asking anything in return but maybe a little respect and loyalty.

By the way, to Carter's credit, he didn't get the Iranian hostages killed. Oh, and they were released the day after Reagan's inauguration.

Liberals make me sick!

Duncan Hunter
Straining won't necessarily produce analogy.
Carter had Reagan as his opponent. Reagan, unlike the Top Tier (so-called) had a lot going for him besides PR. He had been active and effective politically for years. He had tamed the young lions who were bent on tearing California and our nation apart. He was consistent in his views and changed party's because of his philosophical consistency. He was not your usual politico. Nor is Duncan Hunter.
That's why I believe Towery and his ilk are off-base when they consign the GOP to oblivion. But if the Republicans nominate anyone except Duncan Hunter,they will likely lose. The fact is; Duncan Hunter, like Ronald Reagan, is an EXCEPTIONAL REPUBLICAN.

sentido
Please show some facts to back up your post.

sentododo:
You wrote:

"If the chief of CENTCOMM calls General Betrayus a simpering sycophant, maybe we should listen...."

You are a blithering idiot! Stop pretending you're anything other than a cowardly "moveout.XXX" plant.

I have only just recently seen your garbage that you may think is thoughtful; get real, it's pathetic!

And, if you are an official of the Republican party, then all I can say is "May God protect us." And, I will leave the RNC; there's not enough room for someone like you in the party I trust for the most part.

I for one do not buy that for a second.

Stupid article
The Iranian Hostage Crisis was brought to an end by Reagan's reputation (ill gained) of being someone, like the proverbial cowboy, who "shoots first and asks questions later", and NOT by ANYTHING the peanut farmer did, period. The Iranians knew they could not win against the USA in the late 1970s, plus they didn't desire the disruption to their onging plans for Iran. We should have taken care of Iran back then, but we were yet haunted in international resolve by Vietnam (a war started by the Democrats and lost by the Democrats). We are paying the price in these times of our failures to act when we should have.
The comparison of 1980 and 2008 is simply too much of a stretch. For one thing, 2008 has yet to be "written." What if a unity government actually gains momentum in Iraq and compelling "benchmarks" are met before next summer? What if by the end of next summer we need only token forces in Iraq, with more substantial based in Kuwait (which loves having the protection of an American defense umbrella)?
The Kurds are okay now, if we bring the security of the majority Sunni provinces along, then that leaves only the Shiite to sort out their internal differences, and that could happen without us if the Iraqi military is brought to stage.
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