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Thursday, July 10, 2008
Matt Purple :: Townhall.com Columnist
Former Islamic Extremist: Radical Islam Similar to Marxism, Soviet Union
by Matt Purple
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A former leader of a radical Islamic organization told Congress extreme Muslims are motivated by an ideology similar to Marxism and that Islamism has much in common with the former Soviet Union.

Maajid Nawaz, a native of England and once prominent figure in the London-based extremist group Hizb ut-Tharir, testified before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee that the root cause of Islamic terrorism was its fanatical ideology, not poverty or discrimination.

“There is a common misconception on the left in the UK that only grievances can lead to Islamism,” he said.

Nawaz drew parallels between socialist Marxism and Islamism, contending that both movements see everything as a global ideological power struggle. He said Islamists wished for the world to be ruled under a single caliphate state, “like the Soviet bloc.”

“There will always be a conflict between Islamism and capitalism, just as there was once conflict between communism and capitalism,” he said.

This runs counter to the opinion held by many liberals that Islamic extremism is a theocratic product of the far-right.

A problem with the West’s approach to terrorism, according to Nawaz, was that many viewed Muslim terrorism as a problem with the religion of Islam rather than a result of the political ideology of Islamism.

Nawaz had been involved with Hizb ut-Tharir since he was 16 when he was arrested in Egypt in 2002 for his membership in the organization. Amnesty International offered to assist him legally, which led him to revise his conceptions of the West. Upon returning to London, he renounced his former extremism and is now a director at the Quilliam Foundation, a British think tank dedicated to countering Islamism.

Dr. Michael Leiter, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, echoed Nawaz, saying that Islamism had far more to do with politics than religion.

“The ideology that motivates these terrorists today has very little to do with the religion of Islam. It’s the difference between a religion and a radical ideology,” he said.

There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world, although only a small percentage is believed to be Islamist. These extremists have been moving west, however, with recent Muslim immigrations into Europe.

Zeyno Baran, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, said while Britain has a more vibrant Muslim community, American Muslims are more likely to be radicalized. Most Islamic organizations in the United States – such as the Council on American Islamic Relations – have ties to an organization called the Muslim Brotherhood which promotes an Islamist ideology.

“I’m worried about raising my children in this country because I don’t know where to send them to teach them Islam. I’d have to teach them at home,” she said.

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About The Author
Matt Purple is an editorial intern with Townhall.com and is studying politics at Catholic University.
Violent religion
Matthew, at 3:13 AM, seems to believe that Evangelicals support violence against people who oppose their views. When was the last time anyone heard of an Evangelical beheading anyone, for anything? And don't even try to tell me that they would if they could. First, that is mind-reading and second, there are vastly more Evangelicals in this country than outright Marxists, but, still, no beheading, stoning, etc. To say otherwise is to engage in a false parallelism.

The core belief of Evangelicals is that faith is an utterly inward kind of experience, cannot be forced upon anyone, even if they wanted to do so, because you can only control the outside, not the inside, which is why Evangelicals came up with what we later began to call "separation of church and state." Some Evangelicals favor the continued use of civil power to enforce sexual morality. Others do not. Still others merely object to the use of government funds to teach what they consider immorality, as in the public schools. Others simply say that the schools can go to Hell, literally as well as figuratively, and go on to form their own schools. Some believe that it would be OK to continue to have symbols of the faith held by eighty to ninety percent of the people displayed in public spaces, since, back to first principles, this can not force anyone to adopt or experience that sort of faith. However, there is no attempt to advance what has not been permitted for decades, and, NO BEHEADING!

For eon & nessus
IMO, communism derives a lot of its ideology from Islam:
(1) they have similar symbols (scythe-and-hammer doth resemble crescent-moon turned upside-down)
(2) they both spill considerable amounts of blood (communism actually declares this in picking colours)
(3) both subvert individuality for "greater good of system"
(4) both worship false gods -- communism deifies "system", Islam worships Old Nick termed as "Allah".
(5) both killed large numbers of their adherents in 20th and early 21st centuries (meaning till today), each exceeding the Nazis (though this is due to fact that Nazis only held power 12 years)

Of course, Islam tops communism in total number of murders historically (Islam runs at 320 millions during 1400 years; communism about 120 million in 91 years) as well as in the grotesqueness of committing them.

Yet part of our populace
believes that when someone uses the term "communism", they are an octogenarian stuck in the 50's because since the Soviet Union collapsed, there is no more such thing.
And after WWII, Naziism was ended forever.
No more threats.

The poor dupes do not realize that as long as there are people on the face of the earth, there will be a push for totalitarianism. THis is just the latest version.

Suckers
I don't know who this Purple is, but he just got the conservatives on Townhall to agree with the argument that the war on terror has nothing to do with the religious beliefs of Islam simply by telling you that this is a view opposed by liberals.

Certainly it is liberals who are out there railing at the evils of Islam while conservatives point out that the terrorist represent a political movement and not a problem with Islam. Sure it is.

And what is funny is not just the quickness to embrace something that is much closer to the liberal account of the problem than the conservative one. It is the degree to which the comments do it by claiming a superiority to the cluelessness of liberals.

I hope Purple tries to up the ante by convincing you that liberals are clueless for favoring cuts in government spending and lower taxes.

to the liberal trolls here
just keep your heads in the sand. Don't listen to the warnings. Just keep in mind that while your heads are in the sand, your touchases make wonderful targets sticking up in the air.

Confused and unhelpful
Do liberals think of Al-Qaida as the product of a theocratic far right? I don't have any evidence for that. I think they think of Al-Qaida as on the left, since they are opposed to the U.S.

Does it help to compare Islamism with Marxism? I don't think so. If the goal is to get leftists to figure out what should be obvious, that Islamism is a threat to them as much as it is to the rest of us, then comparing it to Marxism isn't going to work since they rather liked Marxism.

Comparing it to Nazism hasn't worked, either.

I think the best thing is just to remind leftists that after the Shah was exiled from Iran, Muslims oppressed and butchered leftists.

I haven't trusted Muslims from that day to this.

Islam is religion and ideology...
Anyone who is honest about it, will realize that Islam is not only a religion but very, VERY much a political ideology.

Therefore, it is unsuitable to the Western tradition of civic life separated from religion. Muslim immigrants expect and now are demanding that American civic life respect and honor their (often) backwards traditions and customs.

There is only one thing for the US and other Western nations to do: restrict Muslim immigration to much lower numbers and come down hard on any political preaching in mosques. The Muslims, much like the Mexicans are using immigration to gain political power and change the United States (as well as England, France, Australia, Canada, etc.)

The Left and its Axioms
The enemy of my enemy is my ally.

The "progressives" turn a blind eye because in part Islamist are fighting a common enemy - liberal western capitalism.

It is ironic, as eon points out, that the progressives would otherwise find themselves on the opposite end of just about every other point the Islamists stand for.

Actually
I, personally, do care, and I cared starting, not ten years ago, but 41 years ago, going back to the Six Day War of 1967. And I definitely got the message in 1972 with the Munich Olympic massacre.

At the time (and yet today) the "progressive" line was, and is, "it's all about Israel"- i.e., if there wasn't a Jewish state in "Palestine", the West would not have problems with the Islamic world. (Wasn't it a progressive who said that "simple, obvious" explanations for real-world problems were often wrong?)

That fails to explain Islam's aggressive behavior toward the rest of the world going back to its origins, which never ended between Poitiers' in 732 and 9/11/2001- just waxed and waned in inverse proportion to Western military and societal strength.

Wile I agree with Mr. Nawaz that IslamISM is a political ideology, I would point out that the fact that Islam itself does not make a distinction between the secular and the liturgical, and that it is a "literalist" religion, is what makes it easily "hijacked" for radical political goals.

And as a side note, I have never understood "progressives'" sympathy for Islamism (and don't tell me they don't have it), in view of their traditional devotion to the separation of church and state. If Islam is not an "establishment of religion" by force of government power, I don't know what else you could define it as.

cheers

eon

an expert speaks
so what? what would you have done with this same persons words if he held th same position now as he did 10 years ago. then his words would have been worthless, or blood curdling, or provocative antything but informative. use a littel care in who you use as authority but then i guess you know your audience if they dont care why should you?

who cares
what an x-extremest, Muslim, English, reborn again, somebody says. Unless it fits your agenda...

"Hair-Raising" Islamic Ideology
Within Our Borders:

"Zeyno Baran, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, said while Britain has a more vibrant Muslim community, American Muslims are more likely to be radicalized. Most Islamic organizations in the United States – such as the Council on American Islamic Relations – have ties to an organization called the Muslim Brotherhood which promotes an Islamist ideology."

According to a study released May 22, 2007 by Pew Research Center:

- 7% of U.S. Muslims under 30 indicated favorable view to al Qaeda;

- 26% of U.S. Muslims under 30 answered "Yes" to the pollsters question: "Can Suicide Bombing of Civilian Targets to Defend Islam be Justified?"

- 60% of the Muslim Americans "do not believe Arab men carried out the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001."

"It is a hair-raising number," said Radwan Masmoudi, president of the Washington-based Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, which promotes the compatibility of Islam with democracy.
Source: http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf

See also: http://conservativevalley.blogtownhall.com/2007/09/09/the_ enemy_within_hot_summer__of_2006.thtml

Why doesn't the article give the date?
Why doesn't the article state the date of Maajid Nawaz's testimony? That should be in the first paragraph.

Energy independence
Yes to drill, but yes also to other forms of energy development, like nuclear power, and energy infrastructure like refinery.

The world consumes around 86 million barrels of oil per day. US uses about 20 mb per day, some 11-12mb are imported. So we spend $1.5 billion per day to directly and indirectly support the ME, not to mention strengthening the hands of Chavez and Putin. (With the excess petrol $, they turn around create sovereign funds to buy Western/US assets and bid up oil futures through proxies.)

Current democratic controlled congress has its head in the sand. But in hind sight, GOP wasted 7+ years, and that's also a crime!

Perhaps the rest of the world need to form a trade block to leverage against all the oil exporting nations. We need oil. They need food? (and cars, and air cons and fridges...)

Legal immigrant.

Chris, Hook
That's because to be a DemonRAT or RINO politician you have to be stuck on stupid and/or have your hand under the table so you can keep your freezer filled with lettuce.

Once again,
a concept so simple that anyone except a liberal would understand.

lslam terror
Did congress listen and understand?

Marxism subsumes all personal
individuality a private ownership into the *state,* which then claims to own all means of production and distribution of goods and services. The practical result has always been the elevation of a dictatorial elite and the oppression and subservience of 99% of the rest of the polity. Such arrangements have always become bankrupt, save China which is switching its economics to capitalism as it tries to maintain a political tyranny.

Islam subsumes all personal individuality into Islamic religious law, altho' the issue of property can be mercantile or capitalistic.

The great poverty of masses in Muslim nations today is pale reflections of the ancient and medieval traders who dealt in spices from Arabia and silk from China and salt from equatorial and once commanded the great trading routes of continents.

Both radical Islam and communism are opposed to democracy, altho' the oil potentates enjoy the affluence of capitslist commodity trading.

The way to sap the Muslim religious terrorists is to enhance our own energy production,
to stop sending our treasury to countries and leaders who proclaim their hatred and enmity of the US and the West and who announce constantly that they want to annihilate us and any allies,

to re-inforce our beliefs in and defense of freedom and religion, press, and speech through practice not hampered by multicultural drivel, and
to respond to military attack with massive counterattack.

Drill Drill Drill
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