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Thursday, January 24, 2008
Matt Barber :: Townhall.com Columnist
MRSA Outbreak Among 'Gays'- Let the Whitewash Begin
by Matt Barber
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You can’t help but feel a little sorry for Amanda Beck.  She’s a reporter from Reuters who was among the first to cover a new study conducted by researchers at the University of California, San Francisco, which warns about an outbreak of a virulent, drug-resistant, and potentially deadly strain of Staph infection afflicting certain segments of the homosexual community. 

Although outbreaks of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA, have primarily been confined to hospitals in the past, the study determined that, due to “high risk behaviors” beyond hospital walls — such as “anal sex” — men who have sex with men are now 13 times more likely to contract the infection. 

Because this particular strain can be transmitted through “skin-to-skin contact,” researchers fear the outbreak “has the potential for rapid, nationwide dissemination” and will spread to “the general population.”  Once it does, they say it will be “unstoppable.”   

The initial reporting by some in the mainstream media, even The New York Times, was fairly accurate and balanced.  It superficially addressed the study’s lucid data and sound conclusions. 

But all that quickly changed.         

You see, by even reporting on this study, Amanda Beck and her media codefendants deviated from the script.  They broke the rules.  And in so doing, they really, really ticked off that 500-pound homosexual activist gorilla and his yappy, apple polishing lapdogs back at media central.       

Here’s where Amanda went wrong.  She objectively provided scientific information to the public which cast “high risk” homosexual conduct in a negative light.  She led people to a credible medical study that underscores the potential consequences of a demonstrably dangerous and desperately empty lifestyle. 

She dared to report the study’s genuine findings, and for that, Amanda Beck and her media co-condemned will, no doubt, be working the obits beat in journalistic Siberia until they’ve successfully completed obligatory “sensitivity” training. 

Dr. Binh Diep, the researcher who led the study, told Reuters, “Once this reaches the general population, it will be truly unstoppable … ‘We think that it's spread through sexual activity.’”

And the fan was thusly and most directly hit. 

Now began the backpedaling: “Move along, folks, nothing to see here,” seemed to bark The New York Times, Newsweek and other media outlets.  “Ignore that homosexual pressure group behind the curtain.” 

Following the lead of “gay” activists, the mainstream media desperately scrambled to change the subject, engaging in a classic “kill-the-messenger” strategy.  The researchers who conducted the study were even attacked, and calls by groups like Concerned Women for America (CWA) to end political promotion of the “high-risk behaviors” associated with the outbreak were warped through a prism of obfuscation and misdirection.

Homosexual groups and the media set up a mean ol’ straw man and took to knocking the stuffing out of him. Conservative organizations were suggested to have claimed the outbreak was “the new AIDS,” a “new gay disease” and “the gay plague,” all things which nobody I know ever implied.

They mischaracterized a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention statement on the controversy as a repudiation of the study (which, of course, it was not).   “There is no evidence at this time to suggest that MRSA is a sexually-transmitted infection in the classical sense,” read the statement.  Again, nobody said MRSA was “a sexually-transmitted infection in the classical sense.” (Emphasis added).  The study merely found that, as it pertains to certain segments of the “gay” community, it was being transmitted through “high-risk” sexual behaviors. 

The New York Times disingenuously reported that the researchers had “issued an apology” for releasing “their findings.”  “We deplore negative targeting of specific populations in association with MRSA infections or other public health concerns,” said Dr. Henry Chambers in what hardly amounted to “an apology.”     

But the coup de grâce came when Kevin Berger — some cat over at Salon Magazine — personally attacked me.  He noted that a handful of professional football players with turf burns had also contracted MRSA. 

So desperate was he to downplay this behaviorally related MRSA outbreak among “gays” that he wrote an entire article built around the premise that, “It is fair to reason that more American men play football than have sex with one another.”   

That little bit of flapdoodle was so rich that I was tempted to respond in kind with an article but decided against it.  This poor fellow’s tortured logic betrays his folly.  I wouldn’t want to pile on.  It’d be like pulling a little girl’s pigtails, and I hate to appear “mean-spirited.”     

Nonetheless, Berger’s dodgy rationalization perfectly encapsulates the strategy employed by both the homosexual lobby and the rest of his media cohorts.  They can’t possibly be this deep in denial, so the cover up must be intentional.      

Still, the actual study left little room for rationalization.  It determined that the spread of MRSA, “among men who have sex with men is associated with high-risk behaviors, including use of methamphetamine and other illicit drugs, sex with multiple partners, participation in a group sex party, use of the internet for sexual contacts, skin-abrading sex, and history of sexually transmitted infections.”

Ultimately, the study warned that, “Having male-male sex seems to be a risk factor for [MRSA] … The infection frequently manifests as an abscess or cellulitis in the buttocks, genitals, or perineum, and male-male sex was a risk factor.”

The study found that this behaviorally related “[MRSA] epidemic probably started in San Francisco and has been disseminated by the frequent cross-coastal travel of men who have sex with men.”

It all boils down to this: The human body is quite callous in how it handles mistreatment and the perversion of its natural functions. When two men mimic the act of heterosexual intercourse with one another, they create an environment, a biological counterfeit, wherein disease can thrive. Unnatural behaviors beget natural consequences.

The medical community has known for decades that homosexual conduct, especially among males, creates a breeding ground for often deadly disease.  In recent years we’ve seen a profound resurgence in cases of HIV/AIDS, syphilis, rectal gonorrhea and many other STDs among those who call themselves “gay.”

But don’t take my word for it.  Ask one of their own.  Prolific author and homosexual activist, Jack Hart:

“Many sexually transmitted diseases occur more often among gay men than in the general population. Several factors contribute to this difference: Gay men have the opportunity to engage in sex with more people than do most heterosexual men, and some practices common among gays — especially rimming [anal-oral intercourse] and anal intercourse — are highly efficient at transmitting disease.” (Gay Sex: A Manual for Men Who Love Men, Allyson Books, 1998, pp. 212-213).

Still, don’t just take Jack’s word for it:

“The same patterns of increased sexual risk behaviors among men who have sex with men … have been driving resurgent epidemics of early syphilis, rectal gonorrhea, and new HIV infections in San Francisco, Boston, and elsewhere,” concluded the MRSA study.

So finally, I ask this question, and it’s a troubling one indeed:  What can one say about the character of organized political activists and mainstream journalists who would intentionally place a deceptive political agenda above the health and well-being of Americans, including members of their own community? … Who would choose to deliberately quash valuable medical information which might save lives simply because it creates a setback to narrow political ambitions? 

I know what I’d say, and it sure ain’t nice. 

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J. Matt Barber is Director of Cultural Affairs with Liberty Counsel and also serves as Associate Dean with Liberty University School of Law.
 
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Gay men have already managed
to lower their mortality to 48, more than 20 years less than the mortality of the general male population in Am., 72, and almost as retrograde to the mortality for people at the turn of the 20th C., which was 41.

Not only is stapholoccus aureus no longer treatable any longer save for one antibiotic (it was once treatable by seven drugs) it is also easily spread by skin contact, unlike HIV/AIDS, which is still a relatively difficult disease to acquire.

(The CDC and medical community are horrified by the possibility that the retro-virus of HIV--relative of other retros like chicken pox and the common cold--will mutate into a contagion that is spread by coughing or sneezing. Then 100's of millions will die.)

The male homosexualt community is usually better educated and wealthier than the average demographic, but obviously common sense and rational behavior are beyond the ability of too many individuals.

Let the Denial Begin.
Let the denial begin as advocates of unrestrained sexual license spin their high-risk lifestyles as if God and Nature could be forever ignored.

Responsibility is not optional and actions DO have consequences.

Clinton Grants $303,000 to Gays?
Top Earmark-er Clinton Grants $303,000 to Gay Lobby Group

Are we not 9 trillion in the red?

CNSNews.com) - A group that lobbies for needle exchanges, for allowing more immigrants with HIV/AIDS to legally enter the country, and for condom distribution in prisons received a $303,000 federal earmark pushed by Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.).

That was one of 261 earmarks Clinton personally helped usher through Congress. That’s more earmarks than any other member of Congress seeking the presidency, according to an analysis by the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW).

READ MORE


http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/top-earmark-er-cli nton-grants-303000-to-gay-lobby-group

A VERY HELPFUL RESOURCE ON THIS SUBJECT:
As a teacher in a public school system, I was taking a district supported and promoted "diversity" training class... and the book, "A Stranger At the Gate" by Mel White was assigned (our teacher was gay). Its the story of Mr. White's change to living a homosexual lifestyle after being married and writing speeches for Billy Graham. I wanted to know the "other side of the story" and the book,

"A STRONG DELUSION" BY JOE DALLAS

was recommended by a friend who lost a loved one to AIDS. I highly recommend "A Strong Delusion" as a readable, well-researched and reasonable resource that tells the truth.

some sympathy for gays
In a perfect world, I totally agree with the central point of this article: that scientists shouldn't have to stick to rigid rules of PC when releasing reports, and that the gay community needs to take such studies seriously before condemning them as bigoted. Too bad there are so many gay bashers out there who make this kind of honesty very difficult.

When the author implies that gays lead "a demonstrably dangerous and desperately empty lifestyle" he loses all credibility with me. Such statements prove his counterpoint: that when such studies are released, homophobes will scream that it is proof that gays are evil. It's not that the gay community suffers from ignorance or idiocy, it's that they fear being demonized, and rightly so!

Take this comment from above:
"the gay community frantically tried to scare everyone that AIDS was not a gay disease and the hetero community would soon be decimated by it. Never happened." I think there may be some folks over in Africa who would disagree with that. And don't you think that maybe the "scare tactics" worked, and the reason the hetero community was not decimated was because of such "frantic" warnings? It is precisely because of these ignorant comments that gays have such a knee-jerk reaction to studies like this.

Wonder what happened
to "The public's right to know"?

Thank you dflaschiii
You saved me the trouble of writing the same thing.

"Take this comment from above:
"the gay community frantically tried to scare everyone that AIDS was not a gay disease and the hetero community would soon be decimated by it. Never happened."

I think there may be some folks over in Africa who would disagree with that. And don't you think that maybe the "scare tactics" worked, and the reason the hetero community was not decimated was because of such "frantic" warnings? It is precisely because of these ignorant comments that gays have such a knee-jerk reaction to studies like this."

PS Do you have a sibling named dflEBCDIC?

Jd;s Handsome Son
You are so right. When it comes to real depravity, nothing beats people who have no sense of proportion, who don't think, who only feel. When these kind of people are faced with horror, they have only the reaction of their feelings to guide them. They then "feel" justified in committing terrible deeds.

To dfalschii
Well said. I would pray that all gay men are well-educated about HIV and other STDs.......... and heterosexuals. There is a lot to be said for monogamy among homosexuals and heterosexuals.

JD's Handsome Son wrote, "The gay community has done a good job of hen pecking America's scientific and political class to divert money into the fruitless search for a cure." The HIV virus is a very interesting virus the deserves all the research that it has received. I wonder what JD's Handsome Son would have said before antibiotics when all STDs were incurable?

The last great pandemic was the 1918-19 influenza outbreak. Millions died in the blink of an eye then it ended ........... can someone tell me why?


No matter how you slice it
gays average more sexual partners than straights, and indulge in sexual practices more likely to spread STD's. Clean up your act,gentlemen, and then come to me for support of your lifestyle.

Ignorant of facts much??
"Anyone remember how the gay community frantically tried to scare everyone that AIDS was not a gay disease and that the hetero community would soon be decimated by it. Never happened. The disease is still confined to those groups that continue to act irresponsibly."

WRONG!!!

Why would you say something as stupid as this??? This is exactly why the right-wing, conservative movement is such a laughing stock-you don't even know what you are talking about, yet you continue to talk out of your arse and make a fool of yourself. Please continue...it's fun!!!

All STDs are spread futher/faster
when a promiscuous population is considered.

But with our heterosexual population JUST as likely to be promiscuous - what do we expect?

In this era of hookups and 'it's ONLY sex' culture - ALL STDs are skyrocketing out of control. Particularly among the young of both persuasions and perversions.

Hey Blue
""Anyone remember how the gay community frantically tried to scare everyone that AIDS was not a gay disease and that the hetero community would soon be decimated by it. Never happened. The disease is still confined to those groups that continue to act irresponsibly."

WRONG!!!

Why would you say something as stupid as this??? This is exactly why the right-wing, conservative movement is such a laughing stock-you don't even know what you are talking about, yet you continue to talk out of your arse and make a fool of yourself. Please continue...it's fun!!!"

In what way is this post wrong? Irresponsible sexual activity is the primary vector of this virus. Though not confined to the gay community, it is primarily a disease limited to the gay community, those who had blood transfusions with tainted blood, heteros who have other STD's which aid in the transmission of the virus through the lesions caused by them, and intravenous drug users. Many of them act irresponsibly.

I don't care who buggers whom, but let's admit that HIV is a difficult virus to pass, but is helped along greatly by irresponsible activities.

And further
The point is, that the CDC comes out with a study that indicates that people most susceptible to this strain of bacteria should refrain from the behaviour that increases its transmission, and instead of the usual fealty to "science" it is seen as an afront to them and squelched. Seems they should not be so sensitive and take actions to reduce its spread.

Huh?
"Hurray!
There could be no great source of joy among the neo-con freaks than something similar to the AIDS epidemic just before the election.

Bashing the gay boys has always transferred into donations and votes.

Good luck in Hell!"

Your ignorance is earth shattering.

Hey Scott M..
...Guess what the highest concentration of people (adults and children) infected with HIV live in Sub-Saharan Africa. So please enlighten us with how "irresponsible" activity plays a part in this?

Oh and can you also tell us what exactly you mean by "irresponsible" activity? Is it that you mean, unless a man and a women are doing it missionary position, then it is considered "irresponsible?"




Blue
Oh, yeah, I forgot the part about Africa.

In Africa, there is a high incidence of malnutrition and poor disease management (health care) that makes heteros a little more susceptible to disease once they've come in contact with the virus, but it's more due to the fact that other STDs, of which many have a high incidence. Lesions due to other STDs make the body more susceptible to transmit the virus through the skin barrier.

I've also read articles that have stated that the heterosexual incidence in Africa is over counted due to false positive tests on patients exhibiting similar symptoms that HIV does. It does not manifest as a singular disease but instead weakens the immune system and allows the infected person to contract one or a number of many other rare conditions and tumors as I understand it (Kaposis sarcoma being one, I think.) Further, Tuberculosis can cause false positives also.

The tests that African and U.N. health and aid agencies can afford are rudimentary ones and not the conclusive tests needed to ID the person as having HIV. Those are expensive RNA polymerase tests, I believe, though some evil pharmacuetical company is probably spending billions of $'s trying to develop better and cheaper ones.

Also, there is some suspicion that in order to get more funds from rich countries such as ours, and free drugs from pharmacuetical buyers and the companies that provide them valuable intellectual property, the numbers are inflated. Go figure, special interest groups fudging numbers to get more money from those who bear little responsibility for the problem in the first place.

So African bears little resemblence to the situation regarding HIV in rich, industrialized cultures with few of those similar situations.

And further...
...when I say irresponsible, I mean knowing the risk for something that could alter your life irrevocably, and yet taking that risk with few or no precautions. I like it doggie style.

interesting story
One can see the naivity of scientists in the story. Doctors put out a scientific study. Their interest was understanding the spread of a disease which is still not a major threat in the society but is at a stage at which it could be contained.

But they apparently did not realize that there were people out there so wretched that they would seize on the study to vilify homosexuals. Apparently they are not big at reading newspapers. When they saw how their report was being abused they expressed their disguest. And the New York Times was so politically correct that they not only reported on the study, but also on the scientists disgust at the abuse of it.

I guess at this point I am not surprised that there are people eager for news that homosexuals suffer. But I am still rather disgusted by it.

Wow..I had no idea....
Your suggesting that the heterosexuals in Africa who test positive are not? And all of the worldwide agencies who report HIV statistics are part of this conspiracy? And what, they know that straight people don't get HIV, or if they do-it is probably a false positive, is that it?

False positives are rare and positive HIV ELISA tests are confirmed with a Western Blot or another type of confirmation test.

What you are trying to convey here is that people who engage in irresponsible activity according to your high moral stance are more deserving of contracting HIV. That is the mantra of the anti-gay movement.

Even though I know that I could get hit by a bus and that would alter my life, I still cross the street; it does not mean I deserve it.

Blue
Don't tell me what I am trying to convey. I'm trying to convey something you can't obviously conceive. That perhaps it is a factual story with no gay bashing to it, but a typical liberal knee-jerk response when you don't like the conclusion of a study that it's gay bashing. Can't handle the conclusion, call the communicator a name. Nice tactic.

And yes, there are many false positives and yes, there are people who exploit it to extract funds from those who they see as big pockets. It's no conspiracy, just business as usual from international organizations and governments.

JD's Handsome Son
"The disease is still confined to those groups that continue to act irresponsibly."

You are joking, right? 'm going to take a stab at the "group" and say "Republicans".

It appears that half of all Republican politicians out to be more careful. Especially those who have families and put them at risk as well.

Poor repressed gay Republicans. You would be more comfortable if you didn't feel pressure to legislate against your own lovers.

And another thing
yes, heteros can get it. Of course they can, but it is much less of an incidence, and it is often from sex that permits the virus to break the skin barrier.

And to clarify too, it's not to say that gay sex is wrong. As I said in my first post, I don't care who buggers whom, but often the fact that there is more dangerous sex in the gay community, such as anal sex that tears the anus, and STDs that can make one more susceptible to it, it is more prevalent. it's just a fact, not a value judgement.

To Blue
Right, no homosexuality in Africa, right? AIDS there can be safely assumed to be almost a strictly hetero problem?

http://www.mask.org.za/printpage.php?id=65

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2007-02/2007-02-15-v oa14.cfm?CFID=191137183&CFTOKEN=41663156

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/patron-africhomo.html

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/africa/features/article_ 1297599.php/Homosexuals_come_out_in_Kenya

http://www.colorq.org/Articles/article.aspx?d=2004&x=ssmarr iage

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_Africa&set_id=1&cli ck_id=68&art_id=vn20060712232226329C227347

Now, if there were an abnormally small homosexual percentage in Africa compared to, say, the U.S., then one has to ask 'Why'? Are gays NOT born, but rather subject to societal and personal factors that impel one towards homosexuality?

Oops, that doesn't work out well, does it? Better not talk about THAT!

In truth, though, increasing evidence is coming out of Africa that homosexuality is quite widespread there, though it seems to more often take the form of man-boy relationships. Good thing American homosexuals aren't into THAT, right?
The thing is, for at least several centuries, Africans have understood that homosexuality is something to be done but not discussed. Among other results, that allows Americans to pretend that AIDS in Africa MUST be a heterosexual issue.

Hmmm.

By the way, I've never read it, but here is a book that might help you avoid making implied mischaracterizations of Arican sexuality.

http://www.amazon.com/Boy-Wives-Female-Husbands-Studies-Afr ican-Homosexualities/dp/031221216X

I suppose it takes a conservative to actually *investigate* facts.

dflashiii
Since when does the world need to be perfect in order for facts to be facts?

you blamin the victim ol sod.
NOTHING legitmates covering this up!!!

the big mick

inthemajority
You guys can't be for real, can you? You can only come back with name calling. Brilliant discourse.

Is it that liberals want to group many minority groups in to categories of victims, so big government can protect them why you can't just discuss things sensibly?

The article was saying that despite a study that did not have value judgements included, but indicated causation between behavior and disease, the group that feels forever persecuted gets its panties in a bunch and makes it a political issue.

Maybe they ought to worry about why it seems to be that they are one group of people with a higher incidence of the disease for the reasons indicated, and take measures to lower the risk.

Hell, we're ready to throttle whole economies over weak correlations between CO2 and minor temperature fluctuaions. But we can't take these correlations and draw conclusions?

Once again, slowly, the article and I are not making VALUE JUDGEMENTS, but people jump off the cliff thinking we are because they're so sensitive. And I think you made my point.

Thank you.

MELLOR normal not
In Africa maybe, but NOT here! And HERE is where the yqueerlobby was YAPPIN about it.
Besides in Africa the idiots don't use condoms and think having sex with a virgin cures aids--I AIN'T makin that up!!!

and a "knee-jerk" is STILL a jerk!
the yqueers blame everybody and everything except the ONE group to blame for what happens to them--themselves.

Just more refusal to take any responsibility for the negative consequences of their actions.

Which is Barber's POINT! Admitting the action has negative consequences undermines the whole Propaganda Agenda that yhomosex is all sweetness, light and love." The BIG LIE of homonormalcy can't afford inconvenient truths.

the big mick

To Scott M
The irony is not so much that progressives resort to insult so often (I must admit, quite a few conservatives do the same). The irony is that they so LOVE using the homosexual label as a slur.
I mean, I thought progressives were the non-homophobes. However, if the first insult that comes to one's mind is 'repressed gay'... hmmmm.

goldwaters gal
child of his senility, huh?!

How about "moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."

I say covering this up to spare yqueer feelings, or bashing Conservatives and others rather than taking responsibility for the consequences of your actions is a lack of justice.

Barry would be proud, eh? In his senile years he hated Christians as much as yqueers do.

every time the yqueerophiles on this thread open their mouths (to TALK that is, one wonders where they find the break in the action) they prove
Barber's point for him.

One could respect "This is bad for our community and we need to get the word out to protect not only ourselves but our fellow cits."

But naw, we get the same ole Conservative etc bashing and somebody else blaming.

Barber's point indeed.

mick


what story did lon read?
seems to me the guys poundin on the story were the yqueers, lonnie. Just like who's doing the beechin HERE!

Like I say, I could respect "We should work to prevent this spread."

"Homophobe, Homophobe, homophobe" I not only can't respect, it bores me.

the big mick

To thebigmick
"the yqueers blame everybody and everything except the ONE group to blame for what happens to them--themselves."

Well, I reckon I've known a few 'queers', and your characterization doesn't fit anywhere near all of them.
Certainly it is no more accurate than a liberal saying 'Conservatives all hate gays'.


Now, you may not have noticed, but Americans in general have a suprisingly widespread tendency to blame others for their own mistakes. Whether it's hurricane preparation, unwise investment, getting fat from fast foods -- the general American population is QUITE prone to insist that someone else should be looking out for them. This being the case, hammering 'queers' in particular for a rather more general tendency seems a lot like stereotyping.

I'd have to conclude that your characterization is an unfair stereotype. Please, limit yourself to castigating only those 'queers' who actually DO fit your description.

Thank you
for writing this article.

The majority of politically active gays
--
...tend to be "Liberals" (I use the word in quotes because its true meaning is more appropriately a blend of "statist" and "socialist" than the 19th Century sense of the term "liberal" was originally created to convey).

This is because there's no real defense of individual rights to be found among the "Rockefeller Republicans" (now called "RINOs") who make up America's present excuse for a conservative alternative to the toxic crap being peddled by the "Progressive" Democrat Party since the reign of St. Woodrow in his gadarene run to the bloody battlefields of World War I.

These politically active gay men tend toward irresponsible sexual promiscuity in their personal sex lives for precisely the same reason they support Democrat politicians.

They don't consider consequences.

They don't *REASON*.

They don't think before they act.

In this way, how are they different from any other Democrat Party constituency?

The key to getting them to better their behavior - both personally and politically - is to present them with a truly conservative and methodologically individualist alternative that appeals to their better natures (and even a Democrat can have a better nature; didn't Reagan prove that in 1980?).

Instead of condemning them for their sexual appetites (whether acquired or intrinsic, who gives a damn?), the conservative movement must emphasize their individual autonomy and *RESPONSIBILITY* - something that the Democrat "Liberals" cannot do.

They can be won away from "the Dark Side." To do it, conservatives need merely give up Leviticus and start paying better attention to the Constitution.

--

blue you're talking nonsense.
The WHOLE POINT is that FACTS are NOT ABOUT DESERTS!!! It is NONSENSE to SAY or IMPLY or to ACCUSE SOMEONE OF SAYING OR IMPLYING that yqueers "DERSERVE" ANYTHING!

IT JUST IS!!!! THE FACT is that male homosex raises your RISK 13 TIMES, blue!!! 13!!! It ain't "deserving" It's STATISTICS, and it's a damn ORDER OF MAGNITUDE!

IF YOU DO THIS, UNHEALTHY THINGS ARE STATISICALLY MORE PROBABLE TO HAPPEN IS NOT A MORAL JUDGEMENT!
IT IS A MATHEMATICAL ONE!!!

You want to talk "deserts"--then how about considering that people who drive safely don't deserve to pay the same insurance premiums as people who drink and drive! People who DON'T engage in high risk behaviors truly DON'T "DESERVE" to be PLACED at risk BY those who DO, do they??!

God, blue, it's tough to avoid terms like "idiot" and "moron" in this discussion with you.

the big mick

tallitoomuch
I agree current American Culture is dependent and looking to blame others.

But I did, in context, limit my castegating to the representative sample of those commenting on this thread.

all the proyqueers were blaming somebody else.

one can't be "generalizing" if 100% of the contextual sample illustrates the point.

And THE POINT talli was that BARBER's point about yqueer knee jerk reaction to the study was ILLUSTRATED by the proyqueer comments on this thread.

I can further say that ALL yqueers I've ever discussed this kind of thing with jerk just like Barber indicates. That's in person or on TH or other discussion threads. It is UNIVERSAL in my experience, can't think of a single exception. NOt in Divinity School, or in Ethics Class--nowhere. I am making a reasonable inference from a rather large data sample available to me.

That is neither a generalization or an unfair stereotype.

Go teach your grandmother to suck egss and don't try to teach me logic and rhetoric.

But I do agree with your assessment of current American dependency and blame.

mick

DAMN SJ DOC!!!
THAT was a tour de force!!!

You have made an EXCELLENT bridge between Conservatism and Libertarianism (as opposed to PseudoliberTINE iansim) and I LIKE IT!

I've suspected for a long time that this was how the debate needed to be framed--in terms of individual rights and Constitutionalism!!! You added the RESPONSIBILITY--nice move.

I can LIVE there--but remember I am a Theistic Anarchist and admit to cognitive dissonance between my Political Philosophy and Christian Theology.
I think Christians in America SHOULD push their agenda thru Constitutionalism and States Rights, not Federal Mandates--the last time we WON on that was Prohibition and we see how that turned out fraught with negative unentended consequences. But, too many Christian Conservatives DON'T see it that way. Short sighted in my opinion.

Good stuff SJ.

mick

night all
mick

It is irresponsible...
...to know the behaviour is not healthy, yet you continue to do it. If you know what you are doing could lead to dire consequences and you do nothing to alter your behavior then it's irresponsible. But I don't care if it's gay sex or unmarried sex, or extramarital sex.

And thanks for visiting our site blue. Always fun to watch you libs froth so much at the mouth.

It is irresponsible...
...to know the behaviour is not healthy, yet you continue to do it. If you know what you are doing could lead to dire consequences and you do nothing to alter your behavior then it's irresponsible. But I don't care if it's gay sex or unmarried sex, or extramarital sex.

And thanks for visiting our site blue. Always fun to watch you libs froth so much at the mouth.

An odious agenda
Promiscuous behavior and not homosexuality spreads disease. Although social conservatives consider them the same, this is not the case. Monogamous behavior is common in lesbian relationships and frequent in gay male relationships, especially in men over thirty. Sadly, it’s difficult to cite studies that back up these assertions – serious researchers tend to stay away from controversial and possibly career destroying topics.

Regardless of the validity of my assumption, it is telling that Mr. Barber hijacks a serious problem to issue a blanket condemnation of homosexuals. Phrases such as “desperately empty lifestyle” do nothing to advance a solution. Rather they decrease the likelihood of resolution by placing gays on the defensive and impelling them to defend their existence. This is a reasonable reaction given that the CWFA supports laws that criminalize homosexual behavior (http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/cwa-brief_02-102.pdf). How can progress be made in such an environment?

The answer to Mr. Barber’s question why political activists would intentionally promote a deceptive political agenda is simple: They must defend themselves against organizations, such as the CWFA, that try to force them into tacitly supporting legislation that criminalizes their behavior. Social conservatives would relish an opportunity to twist gay support for public health initiatives into talking points that further an agenda to reinstitute oppressive laws. While I don’t agree with the gay activists’ strategy, I can certainly understand it. If Mr. Barber were serious in his concern for public safety, he’d refrain from inflammatory language and work with gay organizations to create pragmatic solutions. I fear this is impossible from a man who won’t even use the word gay without placing quotation marks around it.

high risk sex
All high risk sex carries more risks of spreading disease. Homosexuals face increased risk because a higher percentage of them engage in high risk casual sex. Furthermore, the population of homosexuals is smaller so there is a greater chance of exposure. Lastly, the nature of anal and oral sex makes transmission of disease more likely.

Yup
Thess writes: "While I don’t agree with the gay activists’ strategy, I can certainly understand it. If Mr. Barber were serious in his concern for public safety, he’d refrain from inflammatory language and work with gay organizations to create pragmatic solutions. I fear this is impossible from a man who won’t even use the word gay without placing quotation marks around it."

Quite so.

Yup II
Sir Aaron writes: "All high risk sex carries more risks of spreading disease. Homosexuals face increased risk because a higher percentage of them engage in high risk casual sex. Furthermore, the population of homosexuals is smaller so there is a greater chance of exposure. Lastly, the nature of anal and oral sex makes transmission of disease more likely."

Quite so. And that's all there is to it. No 'moral' angle; no 'gays this and gays that'; just people getting on with their lives.

So when is Matt going to start writing about (straight) promiscuity or (straight) anal sex?

To SJ Doc
No, conservatives don't need to give up Leviticus. They need to keep the moral principles that underlay the rules in Leviticus... and move forward to John 8:1-11.

To thebigmick
Exercise a little self-discipline, neighbor. I suggested there might be a more civil way to say what you wanted to say, and I did it in a civil fashion. Can you not exercise enough control to respond similarly?


Oh, you poor people.
If homosexuality was "erradicated" as many of you desperately wish it could be - what on God's Earth would you have to talk about?

This article seems to suggest that gay sex should what, be made illegal becuase of the risky behaviors of a few gay men in San Francisco.

Why no mention of risky behaviors between heterosexual? Surely men and women have anal and oral sex inb much larger numbers than gay people. Trust me - there are just as many perverted straight people as there are gay.

Luckily - I am in a committed 14 year relationship so I neddn't worry about these risky behaviors.

Still - it seems the pervert Matt Baber would love nothing more than to enter my bedroom and police my sexual activity, even though it poses zero risk to anyone.

Michael Fumento...

wrote an absolutely stunning tour de force in scientific epidemiological analysis of the whole AIDS epidemic and the lies and distortions for political use not only by the left but also by conservatives, in his book "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS" back in 1989.

He was smeared and tarred and feathered not only by the homosexuals but by the conservatives as well, because he blew the cover and the b#ll of both conservatives and liberals!

Every single prediction in his book has come true, every single one, including his prediction back in 1989 that AIDS among heterosexuals could never become an epidemic in any Western industrialized country, the epidemiology of AIDS in Africa being very different. Including his estimate that in fact male homosexuals in the USA are only 3% of the population and lesbians 2%.

Thank You Michael Fumento for your courage to report science when both conservatives and liberals smeared and attacked you!

http://www.fumento.com/suaids.html

To allen
Hmmm, reading the column again.... nope, no overt or implied calls for homosexual acts to be made illegal.

The reason there is no mention of risky heterosexual behavior is that the *subject* of the column is the putative whitewash of a particular study, it is not about promiscuity in general. If that is not clear, re-read the paragraph which begins "So finally, I ask..."

Last, I note that several people are whining "Where are the columns on hetero promiscuity?" Well, listed below are a couple that deal with one aspect of this topic... just from the last week and a half. I don't imagine it would be difficult to find more, since those took me just under one minute.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KathrynJeanLopez/2008/01 /18/teen_pregnancy_not_an_accident

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JaniceShawCrouse/2008/01 /15/is_tough_love_an_oxymoron

Now, it is my observation that teen pregnancy rarely occurs by homosexual acts, therefore the above articles can ONLY be directed against *hetero* promiscuity.

allen
I will quote thebigmick here:
"God, "allen", it's tough to avoid terms like "idiot" and "moron" in this discussion with you."
I hope you don't mind that I substituted your name for "blue" (the original moron).
Since this disease may be spread by “skin-to-skin contact," all 'queers' are forbidden to shake hands with normal people.
Do what or whom you want in your bedroom or a public restroom (gross) but stay away from me and my family.
The same goes for any heterosexual who can't keep it in his pants.

Matt Barber is a bigot
That's right, and I can prove it.
Read this column of his:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MattBarber/2008/01/21/ha rd-core_pornography_isn’t_“free_speech”

Now, in that column Mr. Barber treats the porn plague as an exclusively HETEROSEXUAL phenomenon. He talks about how it's bad for women and kids, how it makes women into sex objects, how Concerned Women for America are campaigning against it.

Well, where does Mr. Barber address *gay porn*? Where does he gripe about how it makes gay men into 'sex objects'? Where does he mention the many gay groups working against porn? He seems to pretend that only heteros have a porn problem!

Therefore, on the basis of the one-sidedness of the column, I must conclude that Mr. Barber is an heterophobic bigot.

Yes, I know: shocking, but obviously true.

Right conclusion wrong logic Tallil2long
Yes indeedy, Barber is a bigot.

But all that the articles you cite demonstrate in the "porn is violence against women" myth. By excluding men, Barber merely follows this myth along its narrow path.

PS You've been away for a while? I was concerned about you.

To MellorSJ
I very much appreciate your concern. I was 'Touring Paktika on $2 a Day'. The accomodations stink, but food and ammo are gratis.

The point that I was unsatisfactorily trying to make through my satire is that failure to address a matter that does not directly support the central thesis of the article is NOT an indicator of bigotry. It's just good writing. Addressing gay porn really wouldn't advance Mr. Barber's thesis in the referenced column. Addressing hetero promiscuity wouldn't advance Mr. Barber's thesis in this one.

In point of fact, I find the number of articles that Mr. Barber has written regarding homosexual issues to be out of all proportion to the problem. I am firmly convinced that heterosexual issues are having a bigger impact on America: divorce, single parenthood, neglect and mistreatment of children, teen pregnancy, neglect/abandonment of fathers' responsibilities, etc.

I was diagnosing MRSA...
--
...infections and colonizations back in the '70s. In the 1980s, MRSA upper respiratory colonizations became effectively universal among nursing home ("extended care facility") residents, and the first vancomycin-resistant specimens began showing up in the late '90s.

What worries me more - *MUCH* more - about the spread of MRSA is the potential for it to spread among young athletes in contact sports.

Brief mention was made in the article about football players contracting MRSA infections of "turf burn" abrasions, but I think about the thousands of high school and college wrestling teams, and I've got to shudder with fear.

There's a skin condition called molluscum contagiosum that's caused by a virus transmitted by skin contact. It's virtually epidemic among wrestlers.

Anywhere the molluscum contagiosum virus can go, MRSA can go, too. And we're running out of antibiotics with which to effectively treat secondarily drug-resistant strains of Staph aureus.

Less focus on the infinitesimal minority of sexually promiscuous gay men, and more on the kids on the wrestling mats, please.

--

Yo Blue
I was there when the Aids epidemic first became widespread and the gays DID try to suppress the fact it was primarily a gay disease.

The problem with your kind is you can't face facts. Gay sex is UN natural, natural is a derivitive of the word NATURE. Gay sex is therefore against Nature.

Look of the term Naturak Selection and you will see why gays will never be more then the 1-3% of the population they are today. Natures takes great care to see that only the strongest and MOST ABLE TO FURTHER AND CARRY ON THE SPECIES SURVIVE.

Feed the host not he hitch hiker
“Claude Bernard a contemporary of Pasteur at the time when Pasteur came up with his germ theory of disease, Claude Bernard was seeking to convince the medical profession of the importance of the body's homeostatic mechanism in the prevention of disease. to Bernard, pathogens were like the seeds described in the New Testament parable of the sower; some falling by the wayside, some on stony ground, some among thorns, and only those falling on fertile ground taken g root, and brining forth fruit. Pathogens, Bernard argued, obeyed the same rules; they could flourish only where the host was accommodating.”

‘Pasteur agreed. On his deathbed, according to a friend who was with him, he reiterated that Bernard had been right: "The germ is nothing, the terrain is everything."‘

I am disappointed at this medical trick to promote their philosophy. If I had followed their line I would not be here, having been diagnosed with MS, in 1977 over 30 years ago. The Sars scare, Anthrax, Bird Flue you name it. The only thing they have been treating for ages are the symptoms in to many cases.

Recently, in Vancouver BC, Canada a mother took her child to emergency with pneumonia, she was given Tylenol and sent home. Her baby died. She was inconsolable. Medicine is art, and moreover it has become an billion dollar industry. Health is in common sense, cleanliness, wisdom and good associations, correct food combination, fresh from your garden. Good habits, good friend, and personal self-mastery. Spend less and live richly.

The homosexual community are slaves to addiction of every kind, and this is just another nail in their coffin. This kind of stress put onto society was not likely Amanda Beck fault, she was setup. in my humble opinion. She was likely led to think that they were covering it up, and by nature she felt duty bound. She is a hero on one hand, but she was fooled by them.

"Feed the host not he hitch hiker"

What I see
is regardless of sexual orientation, risky behavior and serial partners have negative consequences.

MRSA is a major health problem spread by contact with the germ. It is "encouraged" by lack of sanitation.

Most of what I've seen today is accusations and denials.

Results or risk behavior
The life span of homosexual men is in the mid 40s compared to almost 80 for the general population. Risk behavior or homosexual activity with many partners results in disease and high cost to to tax payers. One of the major selling points to the money grab against the tobacco companies was the cost of health care for those who smoked, and it had merit. Those who choose to live a preverted lifestyle be it addicted to tobacco, alcohol, drugs, or sex will pay a price. Someone, usually the government, has to pay the piper. It is indeed sad that the media and political community choose which groups get the attention. We are willing to talk about a cure for cancer, heart trouble, stroke, etc., but preverted sex that could be controled by indiviual responsibility, gets a pass

Where?
Where are the condemnation of promiscuity, etc. among heterosexuals?

You'll find them on the threads such as Talil2long linked, ...

Where the libertine liberals, who can't bear the thought of a sexual urge not being acted on, accuse us of being prudes and religious fanatics who are out to spoil everyone's fun.

You hypocrites!

Commander
The gay haters probably do welcome such a disease. There just arent as many gay haters as many people think.

Scott M
You said, "Don't tell me what I am trying to convey. I'm trying to convey something you can't obviously conceive. That perhaps it is a factual story with no gay bashing to it, but a typical liberal knee-jerk response when you don't like the conclusion of a study that it's gay bashing. Can't handle the conclusion, call the communicator a name. Nice tactic."

And that was certainly the impression that Barber wanted to give. But the evidence that he gives does not support it. There is no evidence of an attack on Reuters for publishing a factual story with no gay bashing to it. There are a few examples of people criticizing the Concerned Women for America press release which described homosexual behavior as perverse, deviant, unnatural, etc.

I'm afraid Barber suckered you here like he was trying to do. Reuters published a neutral article. CWA politicized it. People, quite rightly, criticized CWA for politicizing it. And Barber is pretending that the criticism was of Reuters for even reporting on the story rather than CWA for politicizing it.

the big mick
Actually you are right. I cheated and followed the links in the article to see what actually happened. If you simply stick with the article and assume that Barber has honestly represented what has happened you do get a very different picture.

Where is the whitewash?
Sorry, but, I don't see any whitewashing occurring.

Can someone tell me if this has strain been detected in the boxing community, where men tend to butt their heads, punch one another silly and get cut?

MRSA answer


Fron the CDC:

Who gets staph or MRSA infections?
Staph infections, including MRSA, occur most frequently among persons in hospitals and healthcare facilities (such as nursing homes and dialysis centers) who have weakened immune systems. These healthcare-associated staph infections include surgical wound infections, urinary tract infections, bloodstream infections, and pneumonia.

What is community-associated MRSA (CA-MRSA)?
Staph and MRSA can also cause illness in persons outside of hospitals and healthcare facilities. MRSA infections that are acquired by persons who have not been recently (within the past year) hospitalized or had a medical procedure (such as dialysis, surgery, catheters) are know as CA-MRSA infections. Staph or MRSA infections in the community are usually manifested as skin infections, such as pimples and boils, and occur in otherwise healthy people.

How common are staph and MRSA infections?
Staph bacteria are one of the most common causes of skin infection in the United States and are a common cause of pneumonia, surgical wound infections, and bloodstream infections. The majority of MRSA infections occur among patients in hospitals or other healthcare settings; however, it is becoming more common in the community setting. Data from a prospective study in 2003, suggests that 12% of clinical MRSA infections are community-associated, but this varies by geographic region and population.



Matt Barber: HOMOPHOBE?
Let's take a little walk down (recent) Memory Lane. Here are a few titles of Matt Barber's blogs. Is Matt Barber a homophobe? As Fox New says, "You Decide".
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Groundbreaking Study Affirms "Gays" can Change
(you will notice a little motif running through Matt's work: he always puts gays...sorry, "gays"...in quotes for some reason)

"Gay" Conquest Spells the ENDA Reason
(ENDA being the Employment Non-Discrimination Act working it's way through congress)

Wide Stance and a Tap Dance
(No explanation needed)

The Way Starbucks Sees it
(Matt suspects a nefarious liberal conspiracy going on at Starbucks; he is suspicious of "pro-homosexual & anti-God statements" indoctrinating coffee drinkers as they read printed material on their coffee cups)

Pro-"Gay" Bullies Pick up the Pace
(Poor Gen. Peter Pace is being bullied by pro-homosexual militants, according to Matt)

You're Not My Mommy!
(Matt is positively squeamish at the thought of a 5-year-old girl with 2 mommies!....why it's UNNATURAL!...)

"Gays" Don't Want "Marriage" After All
(Matt frets about the term "marriage equality")

Illinios School Pushes Smut on Children
(Matt frets about 12 & 13-year-olds being assigned summer reading that promotes homosexuality & promiscuity)

The list goes on & on & on.....

look back at history...ALL of it
Wow...well, how typical of Matt Barber.
In very recent history, can anyone remember when our society or and given community encouraged monogamy and committed relationships between gay men and women?
Something that would have cut the imposition of HIV considerably. The obvious bigotry is clear when people comment as if gay people are incapable of or never have or could never engage in safer behavior or be monogamous and committed to each other.
Well, young gays and lesbians are mostly treated as reprobates and their identity ignored if not disrespected.
Those with a broader interest in remedies and at the very least, context would understand that there are populations among us, such as blacks and gays and lesbians that have been grossly undervalued and the lack of earlier interventions, education and hope are reflected in destructive behaviors out of proportion to those whose lives HAVE had more value among us.
Now, you can pretend that gay people can trust the media to tell the truth about them, to them and anyone else or report on issues that concern them effectively that help that community.
People change their behavior when they are hopeful of recognition and valued.
People who are dehumanized and demonized do not.
And the very responsibilities that gay people DO take and work hard to, like getting legally married and publically showing their commitments to monogamy, children and family, get denied as well.
And given these circumstances, I doubt anyone here has the imagination or the stones to contemplate such an impossible damned do or don't situation.
Africa, Romanian, China and Haiti are but a few examples of HIV/AIDS leaving decimation among heterosexuals.


We agree tallil2long
"In point of fact, I find the number of articles that Mr. Barber has written regarding homosexual issues to be out of all proportion to the problem. I am firmly convinced that heterosexual issues are having a bigger impact on America: divorce, single parenthood, neglect and mistreatment of children, teen pregnancy, neglect/abandonment of fathers' responsibilities, etc. "

100%.

But that wouldn't rile up the base so much.

simple
this isn't gay bashing - Promiscuity increases one's chance of getting sick (period). Gay or straight too many sex partners makes a petri dish of one's self - (secularize it please you don't need religion to highlight this point). There is overwhelming evidence of multiple sex partners in one's life wrecking both one's physical and mental health. Can one not make moral judgements based on increased chance of bad outcomes and without being accused of being a gay bashing, homophobic, bible quoting redneck? Geez if I was bashing people that smoke the liberal folks would join me - bash having sex with 100 men and you are called a bigot.


du
ok gays can be in a committed relationship - calling it marriage is cultural suicide (we don't reproduce humanity dies out - quickly - don't see any value in changing recorded history).

What people do with their bodies is at the end of the day their responsibility. Gay bashing is unproductive and as a subset of our culture are just as socio-economically important as any other group. But speaking out against promiscuity regardless of your choice of gender is not wrong - and it might discourage destructive behaviour.

If there is a disease that is hitting the male gay crowd hard it needs to be pointed out - to do otherwise is failing those people it will impact. Just think of the parallel - its the 1980's, no Reagan didn't block the connection to AIDs research and prevention - it was a sub-culture of Gay men in denial...

One more reason to choose.....
Matt, this is just another reason that I chose to be gay.

Living in denial
I can't believe the liberal pro-homosexual lifestyle crap I'm reading in the comments. If you want to kill yourselves off by denying the reality of the STD's that your contracting by your sexual behaviour, then GO AHEAD!!! If scientific evidence is contrary to your sexual attitudes then it's dismissed as irrelevant. No wonder your causing the very problems that you feel is caused by "something else" other than your own behaviour. Your living in denial ....

To smwave
Is anyone denying the CDC report? I haven't seen it.

Once again
Barber has twisted the truth to throw red meat to the remaining population of irrelevant and anachonristic paleo-conservsatives.

The increase of MRSA appears in ALL groups that engage in high-risk behavior or are in close contact, such as prisons and hospitals. Homosexuality is not a high-risk behavior, having random sex with multiple strangers is high risk. Gays are no more susceptible to MRSA than straights who practice anonymous sex. This includes men, women, married people who cheat, or prisoners.

Get a grip and join the rest of us in the 21st century.

Never a'feared are We
This new form of STD poses no threat to me now or in the future. I don't have sex.


...I am married.

Robo
LOL.

I think you're allowed just a little risk now and then!

Again with the misdirection...
I don;t think any group is denying that gay men in certain areas have been hit harder by the MRSA virus, however, Matt appears to be blaming the spread on these men rather than admit that MRSA has been around for many years and a quick search will show that outbreaks have been hitting hospitals, schools and professional sport locker rooms for many years now. Where was Matt's article about the need to target school children for their deadly behavioral choices in spreading this to the point where schools had to be closed and decrying those doctyors and medical professionals who do not wash their hands? Why no article asking that professional sports be stopped as the athletes have clearly shown that their lifestyle choices cause them to get MRSA at a much higher rate than the general population? I mean seriously, everyone is clear on Matt's agenda here, but I expect others to use the brian God gave them to do some research of their own before just jumping on the usual "gays are evil" bandwagon...

BRAVO to some of you sound thinkers
here at Townhall!

I always feel strange reading Matt Barber's blogs. A sensation not unlike walking through fetid swampland. Matt sees gay conspiracy & "militant pro-homosexual" plots to sabotage the nation at every turn.

Yet, in the midst of Matt's hysteria & the bigoted ruminations of some Matt Barber-groupie posters (like sheep they show up to post their anti-gay insights at every Barber Blog), there are a few diamonds here on this thread worth reiterating:

Touj. says: "Homosexuality is not a high-risk behaviour, having random sex with multiple strangers is high risk."

Perfectly sound reasoning.

du writes "People change their behaviour when they are hopeful of recognition and valued. People who are dehumanized and demonized do not."

The problem is that many evangelicals here decry promiscuity in the homosexual lifestyle on the one hand, yet do NOT want to take any action to foster happy, healthy nurturing homosexual relationships on the other. They say NO! to civil unions & marriage & domestic partnerships. Some even say NO! to ending gay discrimination.... they all loudly decry promiscuous sex in gays yet want NOTHING to do with building healthy gay families. (And YES! there are gay families, blockheads. And they can adopt children in many states - including my own. Or use sperm donors. Look at Jodie Foster. Look at Mary Cheney. Fine parents, both)

Thess says: "Promiscuous behaviour and not homosexuality spreads disease. Although social conservatives consider them the same thing, this is not the case."

Thank you Touj., du & Thess for spreading common sense & an optimistic approach to gay families. You are fighting the Good Fight.




this is important
Where do public health concerns, personal responsiblility, and interest politcs converge? Ask Dr. Silverman about shutting down the HIV vector in San Francisco's bath houses in the 80's.

what at HOOT!
Barber scores again!
The "whitewash" began with dflachii at 8:22 and has continued unabaited until this moment.

"Bigot", "yqueerhaters" (you stop spouting the "terminological inexactitude" "ygay" then I will stop using the yqueercommunities own term)
"out of proportion", "ban greeko-roman wrestling"
(may have something there, wasn't there a yqueer "sponsor" who got hisself killd a decade or so back, liked to "collect" olympic wrestlers?), "what about the hetros", "it's all because you won't let us get married" (as if that IMPOSED promiscuity by making fidelity dependent on legality) etc etc etc ad infinitum ad naseum.

And then there are my favorities "you should talk nicer" and "it's not about yqueers it's about risky sex!"

I refer you again to the article. An order of magnitude more risk if you are ycornholn or "rimmin". The ACT of homosex IS the risky behavior by GEOMETRY---Pastuer's "terrain" above.

I suppose yfellatio might not be higher risk, but I don't blame people for not likn the tste of yrubber in their mouths.

But the best, the ultimate whitewash "it ain't that bad!"

the big mick

why the heck not, a second crack (no pun
intended--but it was a good one n'est c'pas?)

Bottom (whoops again) line here ol sods?

It's ALL about the sex. It's all about the sensation, the pleasure, the fulfillment of the rod up the rump.

But you don't want to feel that THAT--well let's be gracious and say "alternative" act is somehow, "abnormal" or "wrong" or "dirty" or whatever perjorative your own mind supplies and you put in the strawman mouths (whoops! there it is!) of others.

That's why the whole "orientation" shtick (!) (ya ever noticed how the exclamation point.!.?)
and all the "true love and monogamy" stuff.

Why so? Because that's the WHOLE point to the "yqueer marriage" agenda. It puts a RELIGIOUS or QUASI-RELIGIOUS imprimateur on the SEX ACT--it LEGITIMATES it---no more "guilt" whether self or externally imposed.

Hell, boys, nobody is stopping you from loving manogomous relationships with contractual agreements of joint property--you've had that all along anytime ya want. Course that don't change the risks of the geometry.

Naw, it's all about the sex and the guilt. Ya make Barber's point with every post.

mick

To will
Please change the "S&M" part of your handle (that precedes the "wave)

My 7-year-old daughter almost read that smut & I can tell you we choose not to let her view such objectionable letters as "S" & "M" right next to each other. You can do what you'd like on your own time....the waves of "S&M" clubbing, or whatever it is exactly you do (I don't want to know!).... But please choose a less in-your-face pro-homosexual freewheeling moniker.


Only someone who's familiar with the term S&M would possibly take my handle of context. I'm sure if your "7 yr old daughter" were to read it she wouldn't know what "S" and "M" together would mean without your helping her. FYI, it's none of your business what smwave stands for, but it's definitely not what your making it seem. Your diatribe on homophobes is much more offesive to me than what you claim mine was... (let me see what does "big mick" stand for?? swap m for d ... I doubt it)

smwave = my initials with "ave" appended.

The bottom line is...
Risky, promiscuous sexual behavior with multiple partners should be discouraged by everyone - as we all know there are grave consequences.

There is no doubt that promiscuous gay men who do not practice safe sex are at greater risk of contracting and spreading STD's - and the gay community has taken major steps to educate themselves and have made great strides in controlling and reversing the spread of STD's. among the community.

Unlike straight clubs - you cannot walk into a gay bar without noticing signs and pamphlets promoting safe sex and the consequences of not protecting yourself. The vast majority of gay people do not engage in this type of risky behavior - as with straight people - we are all looking for love and many of us are in committed, monogomous relationships.

Having said that - there is no doubt that Matt Barber and many of his "fans" here at townhall are literally frothing at the mouth with bigotry and homophobia - and any blog or column written by the him cannot be taken as a fair or accurate commentary of any subject concerning "gay" people.

Matt barber actually thinks we can change our orientaion. That succinctly negates any logical discussion of the subject.

Whenevr there is an anti-gay column written at townhall - you can always count on the pack to follow up with a collection of cruel posts that lack basic human decency.

I shudder to imagine what drives such hatred.

Straight Arrow
Have your seven year old daughter read this:

"Hi sweetie - listen, your daddy is what we call a bigot and a homophobe. He is going to try and instill these worthless values onto you, but do whatever you can to resist carrying around the hatred that your daddy has in his heart. And if you happen to grow up and realize that you are a Lesbian - do not let your father make you feel ashamed. You were born gay and are com