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Tuesday, July 17, 2007
Mary Katharine Ham :: Townhall.com Columnist
Michael Moore's Mistakes and Mine
by Mary Katharine Ham
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This Sunday, I made a mistake on national TV. Ain’t that just the absolute worst kind to make?

During a discussion on CNN’s “Reliable Sources” about Michael Moore’s throw-down with CNN over “Sicko,” I mentioned a headline I’d read about Moore complaining that the iPhone’s release had cut down on his buzz. I mentioned it off-handedly, as a goofy example of Moore’s extreme self-absorption, which I think is his chief motivation in picking a fight with CNN. Heck, I think it’s his chief motivation for filmmaking, period.

It was a headline I’d seen a couple times throughout the week, repeated on several Web sites, with quotes from Moore. But here’s the thing. Moore may be self-absorbed, but he has no beef with the iPhone. Instead, the headline I’d seen belonged to a piece of satire produced at Liquid Generation. Moore never complained about the iPhone killing his buzz.

I failed to click through, read thoroughly, and verify the story, and mentioned the headline without thinking it through. It was entirely unintentional and careless, and I regret the misrepresentation. I hereby publicly apologize to Michael Moore for it. I certainly did not wish to fudge the facts about Moore when talking about his own famous tendency to fudge the facts. It’s an unfortunate irony, but there it is.

It was one sentence in a 12-minute interview, and one mistake among many facts about Moore, but I am sincerely sorry for it, and wished to correct it here, because that’s what you do when you make mistakes.

I have no wish to paint Moore as self-involved and dishonest through any sort of subterfuge. Nor do I have any need to. He provides all the ammo anyone would need.

Meanwhile, the hotter fight’s still roiling between CNN and Moore, and CNN is on the offensive, answering 10 of Moore’s characteristically unsound criticisms in a rebuttal to his open letter.

If you don’t know the background on this incident, let me bring you up to speed. Moore went on CNN’s “Situation Room” with Wolf Blitzer to talk about his new film “Sicko.”

CNN rolled a taped segment with Dr. Sanjay Gupta, their resident neurosurgeon/medical reporter, in which he presented some of Moore’s figures and conclusions alongside some conflicting figures and conclusions based on the record of universal health care around the world. He also conceded Moore’s broadest point—that Americans are dissatisfied with the current state of health care and ready for a fix.

The tone of the piece was skeptical, but not mean-spirited, and Moore was given a chance to respond at length after the segment ended—which he did, with gusto.

He lambasted the segment—it did include one mistake CNN apologized for and corrected on-air and online—and then took the opportunity to lambast CNN for allowing Bush to lead us into a war of lies back in 2003.

Sensing that the gettin’ was good on publicity, Moore appeared on “Larry King Live,” launched attacks on Gupta on his Web site, and published an open letter to CNN, promising the network he'd become its “worst nightmare.” Apparently the documentarian is also well-versed in hackneyed, machismo catchphrases of American cinema, too.

Which brings us to CNN’s point-by-point response, and what sounds like a spokesperson’s final say on the matter:

"It's ironic that someone who has made a career out of holding powerful interests accountable is so sensitive to having his own work held up to the light by impartial journalists, as we did in our examination of 'Sicko,' " the spokesperson said.

"In our original report, we made one mistake, which we apologized for and corrected on air and online six days ago, despite Mr. Moore's claim yesterday in his letter to us. Further, the e-mail Mr. Moore released in an effort to cast doubt on our reporting does no such thing."

I’m sure Michael will keep on talking, as he always does, but he certainly won’t be saying what needs to be said.

When you make a mistake, you correct it, and apologize. Let’s run over a few of Moore’s “mistakes,” all of which are parts of his carefully edited and highly visible documentaries.

Moore started his career off with “Roger & Me,” a quirky, critically acclaimed documentary about his quest to sit down with General Motors CEO Roger Smith and ask him a few simple questions about the car giant’s negative impact on the economy and community of his hometown of Flint, Mich. Here’s his own synopsis of it:

In his quest to discover why GM would want to do such a thing, filmmaker Michael Moore, a Flint native, attempts to meet the chairman, Roger Smith, and invite him out for a few beers up in Flint to "talk things over"…

All the while, the filmmaker, Michael Moore, has been trying to see Roger Smith. He arrives at GM world headquarters in Detroit and is immediately escorted out of the building. He then shows up at the GM board meeting and is removed from the audience's podium. He attempts to track down Roger's estate in Bloomfield Hills, but to no avail. From the Yacht Club to the Golf Club to the Hunt Club, Moore takes us on a tour of the havens of the rich and powerful in his seemingly futile, but finally succesful [sic], attempt to talk to Roger Smith.

First off, Moore’s actually from Davison, a suburb of Flint, but that’s small potatoes. The real “mistake” is that the entire movie is predicated on the fact that Smith wouldn’t submit to an interview with Moore—that he had to be stalked and ambushed into facing the facts about Flint.

Problem is, Smith did submit to an interview with Moore. Two, in fact, of some length, of which there are transcripts, videos and witnesses, but no clips in the film.

Fellow documentarians Rick Caine and Debbie Melnyk found that out while filming “Manufacturing Dissent,” a 2007 documentary about Moore.

We spoke to Jim Musselman, a former activist for Ralph Nader who was organising the community of Flint to fight back against General Motors and claims that Moore did question Smith for 15 minutes during a General Motors expo at the Waldorf-Astoria in New York. "He sat there and answered questions for about 10 or 15 minutes," says Musselman, who told us that he had watched the footage himself, in the edit suite. "It was great footage because it was Smith answering questions one-on-one from Michael."

Then I found an article from a 1990 issue of Premiere magazine in which several people, including Nader, asserted that Moore had also filmed an exchange with Smith at a 1987 General Motors shareholders meeting; that was reportedly left out of the film, too. The magazine published a transcript of the exchange, which was mostly about taxes.

Caine and Melnyk, both self-described Canadian liberals, started out to make a laudatory film about the documentarian’s documentarian. Instead, they found the real Michael Moore, who makes up facts where it pleases him, and assiduously avoids the types of interviews he demands of others.

Then there’s "Fahrenheit 9/11." It took a whole other documentary to set right the misleading statements in that film, and one document alone lists 59 deceits in the movie.

But do you know the story of Sgt. Peter Damon? The Iraq veteran lost both arms in a helicopter explosion, and appeared in Moore’s paean to Bush-hate without his knowledge. Damon was recuperating at Walter Reed when he was told “NBC Nightly News” wanted to interview him for a story about painkillers and recovery.

He consented, but the footage was later licensed to Michael Moore, who used it this way:

It's a powerful moment in Michael Moore's anti-war film Fahrenheit 9/11. A young American soldier who lost his arms in a helicopter explosion is describing his injuries. The soldier, Sergeant Peter Damon, says he feels like he is being "crushed in a vice". Painkillers, he continues, "take a lot of the edge off of it".

The scene follows a clip showing the Democratic congressman Jim McDermott criticising the Bush administration's conduct of the war in Iraq. "You know, they say they're not leaving any veterans behind, but they're leaving all kinds of veterans behind," the politician says.

"They took the clip because it was a gut-wrenching scene," Sgt. Damon later told the New York Post in an interview. "They sandwiched it in. [Moore] was using me as ammunition ... I was complaining about the pain I would've been having. I just want everybody to know what kind of a guy Michael Moore is, and what kind of film this is," he said.

Damon, who remains in favor of the Iraq war, never met Moore and didn’t even know he was in the film until a fellow Walter Reed patient who’d seen it addressed him with, “Hey, movie star.”

In 2006, Damon sued Moore for $85 million for using the interview without permission, “loss of reputation, emotional distress, embarrassment, and personal humiliation.” His lawyer claimed they had tried to come to an agreement with Moore for more than a year with no results.

As of June, Moore still takes no responsibility for his misrepresentation of Damon:

"Well, he filed it against NBC and the film company and everybody else was named because it was NBC that interviewed him. I didn't interview him. We just bought archival footage from NBC, so we got kind of dragged along into that," [Moore] said. "I don't know what else to say about that, other than I'm appreciative of his service to our country and I wish him well in his recovery."

Well, you could say “sorry.”

In this column, I’ve mentioned only two of Moore’s more obvious breaks with the truth. The sheer volume of his misstatements has spawned a cottage industry of fact-checkers.

When Moore critics, like myself, make mistakes, they usually correct the record and apologize. We all make mistakes. Moore has made a career of them.

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Don't you get it?
Moore could care less about what CNN did. This is a way to promote his movie and get his stats out and VERIFIED in one way or another. He now has people talking about this all over the place and on many news outlets. He has these people talking about how his stats mostly were correct or not off by much.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS!!! It is nothing more than a brilliant PR campaign and everyone has bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

The very best thing
Michael Moore could do for America is to emigrate to Canada, France or Cuba. My top choice for him would be Cuba, since I think it would be a good match for him in terms of civility and gentility. I'm sure the standard of living would be appropriate for him, and of course, he likes the health care so much. He is a worthless self-promoter and nothing more. His presence in this country darkens our door.

It's a hoot
Listening to Michael Moore whine about CNN disagreeing with his "documentary"! The only way Moore will be anyone's "worst nightmare" is if he gets in front of a hungry man at an all-you-can-eat buffet---then he's your worst nightmare for sure!

So
How long will it take for liberals to come onto this forum and defend Moore?

Let's kick back and enjoy the rationalization...

Blitzer has no balls
He just sat there and took it, while Moore spouted and diverged immediately from the topic at hand, the accuracy of "Sicko", to flog his favorite theme, "The War in Iraq is Criminal, Bush Lied, People Died and the Media, Especially CNN, Let It Happen".

I was waiting for Blitzer to come to the defense of Dr. Gupta and his employer, because Moore's bluster really was unwarranted. But he just took it, and even offered that CNN may have acted inappropriately when they confronted Moore the last time, about "Fahrenheit 411".

It was disgusting.

Now, can you imagine Hannity taking crap like that, or even Colmes, for that matter? Or any other anchor/newscaster?

Blitzer, stand up for yourself! Geez!

Hillary delenda est.

Sorry, typo
I meant "Fahrenheit 9/11", not "411"

As we all know, there was no 411 in Moore's 9/11.

Hillary delenda est.

Thanks, MKH
Mary Katharine Ham is always a class act. Michael Moore could learn a lot about public discourse from her.

Whatever Michael Moore may be
certain facts are inalterable: the war in Iraq is a travesty based upon a fiction; health care in our country is woefully inadequate and exploitative; sovereignty in this country was supposed to lie with the people but it doesn't. You can hang Michael Moore out to dry all you want, but that doesn't change anything about the monstrosity that is the USA currently.

The media did let it happen
I remember. They just sat in the government's lap and didn't ask any difficult questions if anyone raised any uncomfortable questions, the media went right to work painting that person as a hysteric and a communist. I bet I can find transcripts to prove it, but I have to go run some errands now, so that will have to wait.

As they say
there is no such thing as bad press. Moore has a knack for getting everyone to buzz about his offerings, love them or hate them, and without spending a dime on advertising and fast food cross-merchandising, has got at least as many people talking about "Sicko" as were talking about "Shrek" or "Ratatoulli" or "Cars" or whatever the latest animated blockbuster is.

So, although I'll be the first to agree that he holds abominable socialistic ideas and makes "documentaries" that are nothing of the sort ("propaganda" would be a more accurate genre), I can't deny this: he is a shrewd marketer.

Please don't construe the previous post
as being supportive of Moore's views on....anything. I don't like the man, don't like his political bent, don't like his self-absorption, don't like his dishonest use of the "documentary" label to disguise rampant bias and single-issue proselytizing, and don't like his style.

MKH is absolutely correct on all fronts.

But, I still content that Moore has learned how to work the system and get attention without using Madison Avenue. In this respect, the major movie studios could learn a thing or two from him. Just sprinkle some generous helping of policitally divisive content into that next feature-length animation and maybe you could eliminate all those expensive advertising budgets.

simple question
if serious journalists on the left don't take fatso seriously, why should anyone else?

Arby --- the very best thing
Arby writes:
"The very best thing Michael Moore could do for America is to emigrate to Canada, France or Cuba."

Whoa, buddy! Not Canada! Don't send him up here! (Allow me as a aside to contradict the apparently common impression at TH that Canada is largely populated by the mid- to far-left. Not true.)

Let's make the possibly far-fetched extrapolation from Sarkozy's election victory that many wouldn't welcome him in France, either. Ship him off to Cuba like you said, where he will no doubt enjoy the same standards of free speech, or even better ... right?

Sorry, John Taylor
I retract Canada from my list of places I would like to see MM sent to. On second thought, Cuba is exactly the right place for him. We could see the wonderful health care he receives -- and you're right, right along with the freest of speech, too. Sure, it's perfect for him.

Now, onto Maloula: Your statement "health care in our country is woefully inadequate and exploitative" may be how you feel, but it is a wholly unsubstantiated statement and I believe you would be hard pressed to prove it with rael data. If you feel the USA is such a "monstrosity," why do you bother living here? You too could emigrate to Cuba or Europe or a number of other places.

US Healthcare Solution
Government should NOT be the primary solution to Health Care. The problem with Health Care today is, nobody knows the price of the services. Someone else is paying for the cost of services, thus the incentive to use Insurance goes up. With that action, the price of items goes up. Overutilization also causes the price of the insurance to go up. Most people don't know the "REAL COST" of their employer's health care plan. The employer absorbs most of the cost of the plan. That is tough when we have a global marketplace.
The solution is to allow the Competition to enter the marketplace. This principle works EVERY TIME it has been used. Think about when you are shopping for other items, don't you price shop? Why not with health care? Health Insurance was designed to "SHARE" the burden or risk with the consumer. Now, people think the doctor's visit is $15. That is the co-pay not the true price or cost of services. Doctors can't afford to compete because the overhead is high and reimbursements are low, especially from the Government.
With the government run programs, the poor and minorities will be LAST IN LINE to get services. That is why I am totally against Government run ANYTHING. It creates a co-dependent relationship with Government.
I would recommend that people looking to learn how health insurance works, take a Insurance Class. The basic principles will help change your paradigm. It is informative. It will help you understand this principle.."There is NO FREE LUNCH"
Mr. Moore understands marketing very well. He is NOT targeting his movie towards me. I understand these principles. He is targeting folks that don't understand or agree with certain economic prinicples. He is free to make movies, just don't cut out facts to make a point.
Long live John Stossell, Dr. Walter Wiliams and Dr. Thomas Sowell!

Regards,


Robert

Insurance class is a good idea, as is
basic economics. I cannot imagine why economics is not a required high school course.


Arby
How about the old "pre-existing condition" canard? My friend's father is dead because he was "uninsurable" by the sadistic standards of our insurance industry. He died of the same "pre-existing" heart condition that made insurance companies refuse to cover him. I would immigrate to France right now if it were not so difficult. You can't just go live there. You have to meet a number of conditions, one of which is that you have to have a large amount of money, which I don't at the moment. Be assured that I will immigrate the moment I can qualify for the visa. If that blessed day should ever come, however, I will continue to post messages on Townhall criticizing the United States and the contradictions between its supposed liberties and actual practices.

CYA
What strategy do you propose to introduce competition into the marketplace and get people to stop using insurance?

Not to defend Michael Moore but...
... why didn't Roger Smith speak up about this ages ago? He could have nipped Moore's career in the bud, and we wouldn't have to put up with him. I suppose it's possible that Smith didn't remember the incident when the movie came out, but if it was mentioned in a magazine of 1990, that suggests there was some kind of public knowledge about it. Why wasn't this known all along, then?

By the way, I salute the integrity of the two Canadian liberals who exposed this lie.

Horse Hockey, maloushka
You can not be denied life saving treatment in the USA. Federal law. As someone with a dreaded "pre-existing condition", I had to wait an additional 6 months before I could get insurance but, I am now covered.

Tell me, what was this "heart condition" that he died from due to lack of treatment? We have homeless people in this country who have recieved heart transplants without insurance so you'll pardon me if you story rings a little "Hollywood".

BTW - If it is to hard to get into France, how about Sweden,Denmark, or for that matter, go to Cuba. According to Mike Moore, it has a great health care system

maloushka
If American health care is so awful, and exploitive, why are illigal aliens flocking across our southern border late at night trying to get in and take advantage of it? Why doesn't Cuba has an illegal alien problem? You say you need a lot of money to emmigrate to France? You need even more to emmigrate (although God only knows why anyone would really want to) to MEXICO!

I agree our current reliance on insurance to pay for our ills is not a perfect solution, but it is certainly better than national health care. If you want to see a glimpse of what national health care would look like, try Cook County hospital in Chicago (now John Stroger Hostpital, but when he was ill he went elsewhere), or the VA system, or sit in any of the government run "free clinics" in cities across this nation.

You can cut the cost of health care drastically by simply changing the burden of proof in malpractice cases to the same proof we require in criminal cases "Beyond a reasonable doubt" rather than the current "more likely true than not true" which translates into "any reasonable doubt".

"Tax free day" when most americans start keeping what they earn is currently the end of April. For most physicians, they work till September just to pay their malpractice insurance premiums, and it isn't until the beginning of November that they start earning for themselves after paying all the overhead to run a small practice.

Encourage self-reliance by allowing tax-expemt personal health accounts and let people purchase only catastrophic health insurance. Allow doctors to give patients on Medicare discounted prices for services if they pay their portion in cash.

Outlaw class-action lawsuits for claims against pharmaceutical companies. You take the medications at your own risk. If you have a pre-existing condition, like terminal cancer, you are going to die no matter how much money is spent trying to keep you alive. Better to offer hospice care and all the morphine you can tolerate.

Other ways to save money:
Stop wasting federal tax dollars on research to cure a disease that is 100% preventable with little cost to taxpayers: AIDS.

No anal sex, no illegal IV drugs, no visits to prostitutes, and remain monagamous in your sexual relationships and do not enter into any until both parties have proven themselves AIDS free through testing.

French Helathcare isn't free BTW
If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait to see what it costs when its free! The marginal tax rates in France and every other country with "free" healthcare is double that of the US. Thats because there is no competition. Its illegal in those countries to sell alternative health insurance.

canadian health care is not so great
As an immigrant from Canada I can assure all Americans you are being duped by Mr.Moore.
I have had treatment in both systems and the U.S. system is light years ahead. I much prefer being treated as a consumer in America with hospitals competing for my business versus being viewed in Canada as a burden on the government when you became sick.
Go to CBC (canadian brodcasting corp.) and read about the woman in Vancouver Canada who went into labor and had to be transported to nearby Seattle Washington to give birth.(happened about two months ago) because of government cutbacks in care.

david1776
I lived in Canada for 7 years, and then returned to the US (I'm an American by birth) in 1994. That was just about the time the bottom was falling out of the system, and everyone was in an uproar because Ralph Klein was trying to take the fat out of Alberta Health Care. Nurses were leaving in droves, doctors were emigrating to the US, and the liberal elites were moaning about the emergence of a "two-tiered" healthcare system where the rich had access to better services than the poor. Funny how those same wealthy elites never complained about two-tiered summer homes or two-tiered luxury vehicles or two-tiered patronage appointments. I guess some animals are more equal than others.

Like you, I've seen first-hand what socialized medicine is like and it isn't pretty. It is all the things we hate about "managed care" in the USA, but magnified ten-fold.

Another frequent poster on this site, AudiR10, is a Toronto inhabitant and writes regularly, and quite eloquently, about life in "Kanukistan" including the health care system.

I'm surprised we have't gotten more Brits to weigh in with how "wonderful" their NHS is...what with the crumbling buildings, deaths-while-waiting-for-that-lifesaving-surgery, inability to attract native-born Brits into the health professions, and other marvellous efficiencies of socialism.

Oh, and let's not forget burning Mercedes as another spectacular success of the British system.

michael moore
I'm so grateful to news outlets that take a good look at people like Moore. He is the typical far-left America hater who gets lots of attention on lies and misrepresentation of facts. He seems to be in love with Canada and Cuba and their health care systems. He leaves out the fact that many people under these health systems get put on long waiting lists for important tests. I'm not even sure how anyone with a brain could make the sort of "documentaries" that he makes, much less actually go see one. I particularly enjoyed the fact that Moore thought he had a save haven on CNN, then Blitzer contradicted his facts. That's actually what made Moore angry. He would expect hard questions from Fox News, but not his ol' buddy Wolf. He responded in the usual left wing way though. Anger and hateful comments. I loved watching the fat pig squirm.

Clever Liar
Moore could be brilliant if he would play it straight. His TV show, TV Land, had some hysterical segments like when Moore had a Telemarketing guru phoned at dinner time. Unfortunately, he has perfected the half-lie and the false innuendo and squandered his talent.

It was a PR stunt.
In the end his "documentary" was shown to be accurate. We all know it wasn't a documentary. Michael Moore doesn't make those. He's even said as much. His films are entertainment... but no less informative than FOX News, who's hosts make absurd claims constantly. At least Moore, when his claims were challenged stood up for himself and defended them. Challenge O'Reilly and his response in Shut Up! PR stunt or not, Moore's information is accurate.

maloula
People like you make me sick. If you are lucky enough to be living here and can say that this country is a "monstrosity" then you are one stooopid American. You obviously have never seen how other people live around the world and are a spoiled little punk. If you are from outside the U.S. you are an ignorant and jealous little punk. I have two words for people like you and they are not Happy Birthday. Get lost.

Fact check again
Ms. Ham:

Apparently you missed the fact that CNN has admitted to two mistakes.

"it did include one mistake CNN apologized for and corrected on-air and online."

Please see: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=217

The second mistake is not a huge one but since you are so self-righteous about getting the facts correct I thought I would help.

In the future you could do away with all of the excess verbiage and simply write: I hate Michael Moore. That's red meat for your readers and as rational as your original article.

Will you apologize a second time to Moore?

Also, since your fame is relative small potatoes compared to Moore are you not riding his coattails in an effort to bring attention to yourself? Why not ignore him?

Moore's first big mistake
The premise from which Moore and so many others start (including far too many Conservatives) is that people somehow have a right to health care. Nobody has a right to any health care - if you want health care you arrange your life so you can either afford it or some nice person like your employer will pay for it. If health care is considered a basic right, the food, clothing and shelter must be considered rights as well and the government must provide them all to all citizens. Of course, if the government were to take over food clothing and shelter we would all eat the same bland dreck, look like the Chinese under Mao and live in Soviet style drab housing. I notice no one signing up for that.

The greatest single expense in health care today is the money we spend supporting the insurance industry. If we were willing to pay for our own health care, manage our own insurance and negotiate directly with providers we could reduce health care costs dramatically. Instead, we have gotten into the notion that health insurance means we just grab whatever services we can and let someone else worry about paying. If we used automobile insurance the way we use health insurance, we would expect that all of our gas would be covered. That would mean, of course, that before we could fill up we'd need to see an automotive generalist to determine that the tank was getting low, we'd need to be referred to a fuel specialist who would determine the type of fuel we'd need, write a prescription for it and how often we could refill it, we would need to go to a gas station that participated in our particular plan and there would be reams of paperwork to fill out with each fill up and we'd have free gas. Free gas that would cost us better than $10.00 a gallon! That's what we've done with health care.

Moore is a shyster and charlatan of the first order and I'd not pay a cent to see any of his films (maybe we need entertainment insurance so that we can see movies free also). I'd not be interested in meeting him if he was in the same room. But on health care he's not an instigator, he's a follower. They've all started from the wrong premise and raced to an illogical and ill-concieved conclusion.

Moore - Roger and Me
I have a problem believing anything I hear from the press, media or our present administration. In fact, I wouldn't believe this administration if they told me my name.
I did my own checking about Roger and Me and found this from Wikipedia.
"Moore has stated that the confrontation itself was not recorded by him, and that it occurred several months before he turned his own hand to film making.[1] It has further been claimed that Moore conducted an interview with Smith in the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York in January 1988, which he did film, but which was also left out of the final cut.[2] This claim appears to be contradicted by Smith himself, who said in a 1990 interview with the LA Times that "I've never stayed at the Waldorf."
Just my $.02.

Mistakes
It does no good to apologize to people like Michael Moore. Mary Katherine Hamm is a fool to apologize to Michael Moore. Michael Moore would never apologize for anything he ever said. It did no good for CNN to point out Michael Moore's mistakes. People like Moore have only one agenda, to make George W. Bush, the American people, the American government, the American healthcare system, anything at all in America, look bad. Communist Liberals like Moore aren't interested in making things better in America - they're only interested in making everything in America look bad to further put down our system of government, our wonderful freedoms. People like Hamm spend their time trying to answer Moore when all they do is further strengthen Moore's accusations. When are people going to get wise to the Michael Moore's of the world?

Tom
Why should Ms. Ham apologize for missing a CNN error. Why, that's just not "rational", buddy.

dear maloula
why, you sound just like a marxist!

why don't you go to north korea. i think you'd be happy there in paradise.

say hi to kim jong-il for me, okay?

Maloushka
Of course, without prejudice to your father, but the insurance company made the right decision to reject your father. You think the insurance company is a give away institution? It is the job of the insurance company to insure probably healthy risks. Out of the risks they accept, a certain number will develop health problems and result in a claim. You represent the dreamers and schemers or the world - you see a place in another country where your dreams could come true, but alas, you do not qualify to live there, so you are forced to live in this "awful" country. And, those who read these posts, understand Maloushka represents the liberals of the world, who are only intested in their own happiness at the payment of someone else. It's a safe bet Maloushka has a job where you expect the boss to give you wonderful benefits, but you wouldn't do anything special to deserve them. It is a sad thing to have people like you who represent the worst our country has to offer.

MIKE MOORE-ON
NEVER SAY IM SORRY ITS A SIGN OF WEEKNESS.HE IS A MORON,AND IF DONT THINK LIKE THEM THEN YOU TO MITE BE BAD

MORE IS MUCH LESS
He is a typical liberal educated beyond his intelligence - thus he cannot forsee the results.
The law of unforssen consequences always kicks in to negatively surprise everybody...
- the "national" healthcare was/is in every communist country - and it is worse than bad.
Badder. Badderest. Badderestest. Got my drift?

minky
In her article Ham goes to lengths patting herself on the back for apologizing while the likes of Moore won't.
"When Moore critics, like myself, make mistakes, they usually correct the record and apologize. We all make mistakes. Moore has made a career of them."

Did you read her article or not?

Tom
Did you read my post? She apologized for HER mistake. She is not obligated to track down and apologize for everyone elses mistakes.

Moore-on!!

No need to apologize to Fatso
He'll be dead soon enough from his gluttonous and slothful ways. Besides, this pales in comparison to his purposeful and damaging to America lies. I'm sure he loves any interview anyway, with you because you remind him of his favorite daily food.

so what if Michael Moore is fat?
Why do people keep harping on that? What has his BMI got to do with the problem of healthcare in this country, and whether or not healthcare should be nationalized? Despite his fatness, MM made a good point in Sicko. He pointed out that our postal system is "socialized," as well as our K-12 public education system. People might complain about those things from time to time, but no one claims that Amer'ca hasn't benefitted from them.

maloula
Yeah and those systems you listed are oh so efficient! Right...wanna buy a bridge?

economics in high school
it should be required but imagine how most folks would teach it - free market ecomomics bad - centralized government good. taxes good government dependency good - hard work bad.

Of course if Walter Williams was teaching the class via the internet I'd be ok with that...

Tom
Let me help you out.

I HATE MICHAEL MOORE WITH A PURPLE PASSION!!!! HE IS THE WORLD'S BIGGEST DOOFUS AND BUFFON! HE IS SO DUMB THAT HE BITES THE HAND THAT FEEDS HIM AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU FALL FOR IT!

Does that help you out?
P.S. He does a good job of thinking he is smarter than everyone else and actually believes his own lies.

southerncon
It is required here for one sememster but they teach it ala Krugman.

maloula
our k-12 goverment education system is the worst in the world. I had a teacher in 7th grade that was convinced that 7th graders COULD NOT WRITE IN COMPLETE SENTENCES. I almost wish i could have gone to Catholic school back in kentucky but i had to move to wilminton nc and there were not many good private shcools when i was a kid here.

our post office is also worthless the only reason they can still compete with ups, fedex and dhl is the fact that thous companies cant carry regular mail.

about the only thing our goverment can do better than the private sector is bombing the crap out of stuff.

Impressive
I always enjoy the high level of intellectual discourse here on townhall.

post office, public schools
You may bemoan their lack of efficiency, but when you have a package to send, you take it to the post office. Most people who while away their time posting on townhall can thank a public school teacher that they have the skills to do that.

MKH is a class act
Please note how she handles her mistakes; by correcting the record.

We luv ya MKH. Keep up the good work.

Re: the Post Office
The US Postal Service is actually one of the most effecient government agencies. Why? Because it is not paid for with tax dollars. It is a pay-as-you-go system that must operate on the revenue it generates with its own postage fees and stamps.

Compare it with public education, which continues to become worse and worse as it becomes more and more expensive. Public education is funded without restriction, without competition, and without any performance qualifications.

public schools
i was wondering if we socialize medical care would i get my school tax money back,being the service is so good they dont need the money anymore.ha ha ha ha. also i dont think its the teachers fault that the students are stupid and disrepectful and act like animals,

maloula
umm actually if i have a package to send i use ups fedex or dhl not the post office. and what is your point about most of us going to GOVERMENT schools there are kids graduating high school who are functionally illiterate. Teachers dont want to fail kids in govement schools for two reasons one they dont get as much money if they fail kids and two they can get in legal trouble with some kids parents.

Wonderfulness
"You can hang Michael Moore out to dry all you want, but that doesn't change anything about the monstrosity that is the USA currently."

And the fact that it is such a monstrosity is the main reason that we have no illegal immigration problem, because no one wants to come here. Unlike Cuba, Mexico, or North Korea. those countries are flooded with illegal immigrants, people risking their lives to get into those countries by raft, rowboat, whatever.

In this country, as we all know, one of our biggest problems is trying to staunch the outflow of Americans sneaking into Mexico over our Southern border with that paradise of a country.

added thought
And if you really did want to "hang MIchael Moore out to dry," you would have to hang him on a cable from a suspension bridge.

wbheff
I get it. Michael Moore is fat. I know. He's a fat fatty fatso fatface. Are you suggesting that his fatness makes him less credible? Because it would be so unlike townhall posters to indulge in kindergarten humor at the expense of whoever is on the right-wing sh--list this week.

enough about michael moore, bush lover
let's talk about me. Why do you think *I* must be fat? Is it because I post on townhall?

maloula
Maybe we have been feding you to much.
We'll cut your "i'm a victim ck." a few dollars.
Besides, you're still an idiot!

Bush Lover
That's brilliant . . . how long did it take for you to come up with that response?

pandm
For the love of God, use spellchecker before calling someone else an idiot . . .

bush lover
Thanks for the pearls o' wisdom . . .

bush lover
Don't sell yourself so short! Why assume my post is sarcastic? Such praise of your wisdom may be quite rare for you, but you should learn to accept it gracefully!

Wow . . .
again with that rapier wit! You should maybe save some of this stuff, shop it to publishers or something!

bush lover
No need to aplogize for the typo. Sometimes, when the comedy is flowing, you just get typing and accidents happen. You were too busy coming up with the right sequence to proof read--"should I say stupid, fat, sarcastic, bitter jerk, or fat, stupid, bitter, sarcastic jerk?"

This is all your own stuff right? I mean, you don't have writers that help you come up with your lines do you, 'cause I'd swear that this stuff has the mark of a professional!


bush lover
Easy, easy big fella'! Not once did I imply that you weren't a genius! You're funny, smart, and people like you! There's no reason to project your insecurities . . . show some confidence man!

bush lover
What??? You won't be my friend? Not even if I beg or flatter? Can I pay you to be my friend, because I want to be one of the many people who say, "I like you!" . . . That's some devastating news (hang on while I weep) . . .

My suggestion, when you finish high school, is that you should change your screen name to "Mensa", skip college (why bother with all that "friggin' book learnin'), and apply here at Townhall as a full-time columnist. Compared to you, George Will and William F. Buckley are morons. You're funnier than Doug Giles and wittier than Ann Coulter! I'm totally serious . . . promise me you'll think it over?

By the way, I'm not sure I like what's implied in your posting. I'm not blowing anything up your a$$, in spite of how much I admire you. You're not one of those pervy types are you, because if so, this friendship ends right now, Mensa!

Mensa
Again with the brilliance! I await your next mono-syllable with great anticipation . . .

bush lover
Hey Mensa, good to hear from you, buddy! Summer school must have let out early on Friday! Next year, you really should try to put forth more effort . . .

I'm sorry Mensa . . . maybe I missed a post where you put forth an argument to ponder? I was under the impression that you just called people names without making any point at all? I guess I should go back and re-read your posts. I thought Ham's column was excellent, and I have no disagreement with what she wrote. I simply found your posts to be, well, retarded . . . You could have put forth an argument that might have blown people away but chose not to do so. Instead, you took the easy route and spewed vitriol. I simply commented on that and apparently caused your panties to bunch. Get over it and come up with something to say. Otherwise, get your mom's permission before using the computer.

Just a slug
MM is just a low life slug. He can spin a story to reflect his socialist view of what he thinks the world should be. He's a liar and spin doctor without pier, Period. The left complains about Bush lieing and purposely misrepresenting the truth about Iraq, and yet can't seem to see MM for what he is.

You are a joke
I saw you on CNN via you-tube and I knew immediately when you said the Iphone comment that is was a joke. So did Arianna Huffington as she immediately questioned where you were coming you with this nonsense. You are letting your hatred of Micheal Moore cloud your judgment and common sense. In you rush to indict you were too lazy to click thru? To click thru, really? Now that might say it all, lazy and dumb, what a combo, no wonder you love our president so much. I actually felt bad for you, you did so poorly Arianna made you look ridiculous as she should have.

Good Day Sir!

Mistake?
Is it really a "mistake" when it is done on purpose? I would say no... in which case, I don't think Moore has any "mistakes" for which to apologize. He is a purposely deceitful propagandist. And - let's give credit where it's due - he's really good at it.

Thanks for the write-up, Ms. Ham.
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