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Saturday, May 10, 2008
Mary Grabar :: Townhall.com Columnist
Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
by Mary Grabar
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One of the unwritten codes for white teachers teaching in public schools has been that when it comes time to discipline a black student, the task should be left to another black teacher or administrator. This is to avoid the possibility that the student might mistake the discipline for just another display of the Eurocentric - White - Power - That - Rules - the - World - and - Keeps - All - People - of - Color - Enslaved - Hegemony.

Sometimes, however, a white teacher needs to make requests in the classroom, like telling a poor, disadvantaged student to turn off the blaring music on his iPod. There are classes and workshops for teachers on how to do this “sensitively.”

While being interviewed on National Public Radio by Terry Gross in June 2007, Frank Burd, a Philadelphia math teacher, spoke about the issues that “kids” come into the high school classroom with, like having young, single parents. He philosophized that a large part of teaching involves “opening yourself up” and “developing trust.” One can say, “Put the iPod away,” in many different ways. For the benefit of listeners, he demonstrated it as a command, and then in a nice, sensitive way. Ms. Gross, a former teacher herself, agreed that it is important that students know teachers are not “disrespecting” them.

But, some months earlier, when Burd asked a student to turn off his loud iPod, the 60-year-old teacher suffered a broken neck, brain damage, and a shoulder injury, his lesson for not making the request sensitively enough, apparently.

Teachers are also encouraged to display cultural sensitivity in their curriculums. Burd’s colleague, Ed Klein, a music teacher, did this when he refrained from imposing a Eurocentric classical music curriculum on his students and undertook a course of study on the high art form of rap music and incorporated it into his curriculum.

But to Klein’s bemusement, this was not appreciated enough to ward off an attack. For calling in a parent one too many times, the 55-year-old Klein suffered a broken jaw. But that was after the perpetrator had come in two days in a row and sprayed him with a fire extinguisher, then told him on the third day that he would be killed, and on the fourth day, “ain’t nothing you can do about this, cracker.” It was on the fifth day that Klein was beaten.

Ed Klein’s perpetrator was exonerated when two witnesses failed to show up in court.

Terry Gross asked Klein and Burd, both white, about students “testing” teachers, and whether race was a “subtext.” Well, no, said Klein, “aside from the fact that I was referred to as ‘cracker’ numerous times.”

Not surprisingly, Al Sharpton did not show up like a Jack-in-the-Box in front of a TV camera to provide commentary on this “outrage.”

Burd said he missed teaching. He described the outpouring of support from the other students who tried to help (as he was told) and who sent their best wishes to him in the hospital. I have no doubt that many did.

But the notion that students “test” teachers, that teachers have to do a little dance that at one time displays their authority, their sensitivity, and their likeableness, is a notion that comes from the addled minds of Terry Gross and professors of education. In this Orwellian schema roles are reversed. The sensitivity should come in the form of providing alternatives, like McDonald’s or garbage collection.

Burd, who retains his sensitivity more than does Klein (probably because he cannot remember the attack and has also lost his short-term memory), called his ninth-grade attacker a “beautiful looking” kid, but unfortunately a crack baby, who had a bad home environment. As reward for the attack, the “beautiful” perp and his accomplice were sent to a group home of about nine kids, where they are provided an education, shelter, and food until the age of twenty-one.

I do not remember the assault against Klein and Burd making the national news. Instead, they were interviewed on a typical NPR “investigation” of the “challenges” of teaching in an urban school. Klein had been advised by his school district to be quiet about the incident, that he should remember who “buttered his bread.” But when his colleague Burd was attacked shortly after he was, he felt guilty.

Klein called his assault and the many others that take place in his school the “tip of the iceberg.” Indeed, this has been going on for a long time. In 1969, two years after the “Summer of Love,” and at the height of black militancy, Time Magazine ran an article about assaults on teachers. The images in the media of armed radicals taking over college campuses and rioters assaulting innocent whites and their businesses provided role models for the youth. At Benjamin Franklin Junior Senior High School in Rochester, New York, which had begun busing in students, a carnival atmosphere of exuberant defiance filled the air. I was scared to death. It was a free-for-all in most classrooms, with mostly white teachers desperately trying to display their sensitivity to black students and getting back talk and sometimes actual assaults as riots broke out. (Back talk by white students was not handled as sensitively, though.)

Since that time, we have seen many more black teachers come into the public schools—a good thing. But they too come through the schools of education run by the Marxist radicals of Bill Ayers’ stripe, where they are taught to instill a sense of self-esteem into their charges through new multicultural curriculums that denounce such Eurocentric notions as reason, fairness, civility, and order.

In the days of old, schools were still segregated and teachers, black and white, were less versed in sensitivity. Racial determinism, the idea that one’s behavior is the result of society’s injustices, did not take hold, as Shelby Steele points out, until after Civil Rights legislation was enacted. Radical Marxist whites took their black radical stooges down the road of self-destruction. Their utopian ideas were played out violently and in neighborhoods where the white radicals did not live. They left the poor, of both races, to live with the destruction they left behind.

Their vision of equality is being realized.

Now, the footage of a black student tackling her black art teacher in Baltimore, recorded for the delight of the other students by a student on her cell phone, has outraged cable news viewers. And in Atlanta in the case of Sequita Thornton and her mother it was a mother-daughter team attacking a black teacher.

So now it is no longer The Man, incarnated in the white teacher only, who is being attacked. What would have been unheard of in a black school in the days of segregation, now, thanks to the theories of these elite whites, happens in our public schools—even to teachers who are not called “crackers.” Such is the “equal outcome” of Marxist ideology.

I wonder, would the Reverend Jeremiah Wright say that this is “the chickens coming home to roost”?

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Mary Grabar earned her Ph.D. in English from the University of Georgia and teaches in the Atlanta area. She is a Pushcart Prize-nominated poet and published fiction writer. Visit her website and get on her mailing list at marygrabar.com
 
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The dark ages
I remember elementary school back in the dark ages (late 50s - early 60s). The teachers were figures of authority and few even thought of defying them. Those who tried regretted the effort as the parents (both black and white) came down on them like the hammer of Thor.

Then I moved on to High School. The Assistant Principal always seemed to be a very large gentleman with a very intimidating mein. Anyone who was able to defy him was introduced to the local police who were only too happy to introduce the micreacant to the basics of the legal system.

The schools were mostly segregated through most of my school years. However, conversations with black friends of like years reveal the same dynamics at work. Get out of line, pay the penalty at school, get triple the penalty at home.

It worked then, and it would work now if the NEA and similar know-nothings would get out of the way.

Sure am glad I won't be around to see the end results of our brave new world of education!

Tell it, Mary
Good article. My wife and son teach. I know from them how it is. I have served on the school board for twelve years myself. My school superintendent laments that "public education is under attack". He refers to school vouchers and charter schools as examples of this. He is wrong.The real attack has come from the correctly identified marxist moonbats who inhabit our education establishment. The only hope for our children is privatization of education. Public education has become a tool of indoctrination for the Marxists. Believe it.

The horrid state of public education
today is exactly why my wife and I decided to homeschool our child.

To hell with these insane policies and programs that have been instituted through the last forty years.


Sensitivity training needed????
I notice that the response of Baltimore officials to the beating of Jolita Berry by one of her students is to talk about the need for more training for teachers on ways to "defuse confrontational situations".

What a marvelous idea!

Why I bet we could reduce crime overall by just training victims on ways to "defuse confrontational situations"! Then we could all be happy again!

tedmug
You are correct, and anyone who shares your experience knows it. Your schools superintendant sees any alternative as a threat to his turf and career. He is not an educator, he is a bureaucrat. He is paralled by the county superintendant in my county who hates the public charter schools that make him look bad, while simultaneously reducing his budget. I work part time at a charter school. The public school system is broken. It is an unaccountable monopoly. But principals and teachers are not the problem, it is the politically correct rules passed down by uncaring idiots who never enter a classroom. I urge everyone to volunteer, to spend a little time in a public classroom as a teacher aide, to see how teachers are prevented from establishing authority and respect in their classrooms. The bad kids take over, the good kids can not be taught.

savage99
I have to disagree with you on one small point. It isn't that there is political correctness, its the fact that there is no accountability for the schools to properly teach the students. If there was accountabilitiy, then political correctness would disappear. Students who threaten teachers and other students would be expelled (currently you have to either draw a picture of a gun, or give your friend an asprin). Those teachers who under perform would be gone.

halibut
We are in agreement, except semantically. Note i used the phrase unaccountable monopoly. The unaccountability is produced by PC rules such as a student can not be touched, a teacher can be fired for racism which is defined by any student who cares to make the charge. And so forth.

Racism is rampant
in the black community and it is fueled by the Democratic Party and their various diversity programs. Acountability sould be encouraged by beating the hell out of these animals when they assault a teacher. If the parents object, beat the hell out of them, too.

How about that?


I would only like to add
that when the students get/got more "RIGHTS"
the teachers LOST theirs.

Seems that students are BORN with "RIGHTS"
teachers must EARN theirs.

5 stars!
Thank you Mary! It will take a massive effort to turn this Titanic around.

Home-schooling or privatized education are the only solutions today for those who desire to give them the very best education possible. Public schools (slurping at the public trough) will continue to churn out hoodlums if they fail to deal with these types of assaults on teachers.

I am a product of a parochial school education. Neither of my parents got further than the 9th grade, but they recognized the importance of a good foundational education for their children's success in life. My parents sacrificed much to send us to parochial schools.

Back in the day, there were 60 children in every classroom. Order was maintained and those who wanted to learn had every opportunity. Those who didn't were disciplined and then sent home.

It worked! My brothers and I are successful in life. In addition, we were taught to be respectful and responsible. Ask me how many times I talked back to my teachers, or how many times I skipped school or failed to do my homework? The teachers discipline was nothing compared to what my parents would have dealt out.

My classmates went on to write best-selling novels, start up businesses, become a congressional page on Capitol Hill, and rise to state prosecutor. Mostly everyone of my classmates has been successful in life, although we all came from lower middle-income homes.

There have been some who proved to be exceptions, however they were few and far between. We all knew who the trouble-makers were and I personally avoided them. The teachers never let them overtake or control the class. They were disciplined immediately then sent home for their parents to deal with and they weren't given a pass on any tests that were given out during their absence.

I wish that every child in the U.S. could have a foundational education like I had. Maybe then there would be some hope for our children's futures.

The Lady writes another superb column
And read today that police had to lockdown a fight between 600 black and Hispanic students in L.A.

Thank you Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Linda Chavez, and the rest of the race pimps and warloards. Thank you very much for what you have done to this country's culture and educational system. And our children thank you, also.

Kids are taught how to have sex, use condoms, hate DWEM (Dead White European Males), but have no idea 2 plus 2 is 4. Don't whine as China kicks our economic butts all over the place. We deserve it.

Another great article Mary !
She tells it the way it is.When I was a senior in high school in 1984 a white student verbally threatened a white teacher and was expelled,never to be seen there again !

My daughter
is a seventh grade math teacher in a pretty good school district, thank goodness. Every time I read or hear of instances such as the article mentioned, I get a terrible feeling inside. If my daughter was attacked by anyone in any circumstance, I would dedicate the rest of my life to ensuring that those responsible would never do it again; or anything else for that matter. In this case, to hell with law and "justice" which really no longer applies as intended.

demurral in the interests of fairness
I am not African enough to appear as anything but "white", and am accepted and seen as a white man of mostly European heritage (yes, I sunburn). I teach in a majority minority high school and was once assaulted by an African-American hall roamer who tried to hide in my classroom while I was coaching a small group of my students. It ended with my taking down the kid when he attacked me a second time.

My (mostly African-American) administration backed me to the hilt.

My students' testimony backed me to the hilt.

The kid whom I let go to the bathroom tearfully apologized to me for failing to close the locked door when he left (that's how the hookie-player got in).

My assailant got time in the lockup and probation.

I'm not giving the public schools a clean bill of health. Gangs have held fights and even murdered a student (by stabbing--sorry, anti-2d Amendment folks!) in the place where I teach. I've also seen armed police make arrests on our school grounds. However,I think that there is also a growing awareness among parents, teachers, administrators and even students themselves that we're in this together, that students cannot learn without discipline, and that there's such a thing as evil.

(more)

continuation of demurral
Yes, we conservatives must band together for school choice, deregulation, and jail time for former President Carter for establishing a Federal Dept. of Education (a magnet for Leftist and other busybodies that simply removes authority and decision-making farther away from the classroom, where it needs to be carried out). We need as well to make "education" courses mere minors to the Math studies our future math teachers need, historical studies our future history teachers need, and applied linguistics that our future ESOL teachers need. Further, we need to take down a cabal of pseudo-experts who probably have never even raised kids of their own, much less handled a room of thirty strapping teens with the bodies of adults, minds of children, and the rebellion of Communists on Wall Street.

However, nostalgia for the days of segregation (except, insofar as those were also the days when blacks and whites had a worthwhile culture)isn't needed. Nor should we view minority majority school districts and administrations as the enemy. Rather, we need to reach out across the divides.

Teacher assaults
The Chickens are coming home to roost. Taxpayers have been duped and intimidated into operating PC schools by NEA leftists. Now the union teachers are getting their asses kicked, what a surprise.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crack
I think it's time that our educational establishment restored authority in the class room. If I were a teacher, I would take self defense courses from Chuck Norris and use it whenever necessary. It may land me in jail but at least I wouldn't be inured for life.

We know what to do...
We just won't do it. I live in a school district with a "consent decree" whereby the district essentially conceded discrimination some years ago (10? 15? I don't recall exactly). And why? Because black students weren't doing as well as whites, Hispanics and Asians. A handful of black families sued, and rather than testify about the distinctive AND DESTRUCTIVE practices at home that spurred these children's failures en masse, the district found it easier to capitulate. The last decade has been riddled with disastrous results, not the least of which has been skyrocketing property taxes so that we can throw money at the schools to fix problems that neither originate nor can be solved there.

And all because no one wants to tell THE TRUTH. It's not just about namby-pamby nonsense that passes for education and discipline at school. That happened LATER. It's about a societal tolerance for the breakdown of marriage, rampant promiscuity, teenage "motherhood," and lack of fathers or positive role models generally -- and a willingness to call all that dysfunction "family."

Culturally, black children's failures are caused by rampant practices outlined in painful detail by Stephen and Abigail Thernstrom: premature births, inadequate parenting (see above), too much television, poor nutrition, utter lack of discipline, no study habits, and a failure to inculcate a sense of self-sacrifice or work ethic. No school, no matter how much money you throw at it, can fix those things.

As far as student brutality is concerned, it should be a one-shot deal. Get mouthy? Get a warning. But the FIRST physical assault should result in boot camp until age 18, and then a mandatory stint in the military until age 25. After that you can get your education on the GI Bill.

schools
I am a high school teacher in a public school in Kentucky. If a student threatens or hits a teacher we are instructed to press charges against the student. They are delt with according to their age and the severity of the attack. There are three levels of instruction that are provided for them, alternative school, day treatment and they can be kick out. I think sometimes the worse problems get on the 24/7 cable news and make all the schools look bad, but all schools are not bad and all kids black and white are not bad. The vast majority of public school teachers work hard everyday for very little money, with little support, and do it because they are dedicated to the students they teach. I personally love my job and the kids I teach. I work at ball games for free, spend my own money for supplies, and spend hours on the weekend getting ready for the next week. I have bought cloths for them, backpacks, school supplies, etc. all out of my own money. All you all do is complain and critize, you don't know the half of what goes on in the public schools and what the teachers do each day for their students. Go BC Cougars

To the Public School Teachers:
I cannot deny that there are some awesome, dedicated public school teachers out there. If you really love your kids, band together and fight NEA and union policies, and promote a back to basics education. You might just save this country.

Teacher assaults
It's not the kids fault, their souls are broken...Obama will fix them.

Kepha
Hear Hear!!!! I second every word. I wish i had written your post, but it packs more punch coming from a full time maestro of long experience, with enough ethnic background to be at least partially protected from the various racial charges that seem to fly around. And thank you for your service (and that of every teacher) to our great country. I am a retired engineer, working part time as a teacher aide in a public charter school. I have always had high regard for teachers, but until i had to manage a room full of 7th graders, i had no idea just how underpaid teachers are.

manners are an obstacle to full humanity
"To teach obedience and conformity, or to teach its polar opposite: initiative and imagination, curiosity and questioning, the capacity to name the world,

to identify the obstacles to your full humanity, and the courage to act upon whatever the known demands.

A pedagogy of questioning can begin to open those doors."
Billy (the bomber) Ayers april 2008 on his blog

Apparently, these unreasonable requests by teachers were "obstacles to the student's full humanity" and they found the courage to do what the known demanded. In much the same way that the ladies rest room at the pentagon was an obstacle to Billy's "full humanity".

Brace yourself, this lunatic will continue to influence education with or without a socialist president.

Hoosier

Hoosier: I'm sure you're a nice person, but if your command of syntax and spelling is any indication, your students are in real trouble.

But take heart: I'm not singling you out. Unionized schools have produced and protected legions of under-qualified educators whose "good intentions" --as opposed to genuine achievement by their students-- are all that matter.

Violent school space-takers...
...don't have to clean up their act.

The reason there are violent school space-takers (I don't call them "students"), are because their parents angrily defend their offspring's viciousness, administrators fear these parents, and the public school establishment uses them as reasons for more money from the tax coffers. I've witnessed and experienced it first hand.

The space-takers are just acting out their little power trips and it's gratifiying for them. They also get their prized "street cred". Black kids know that if they can avoid prison, there will never be a serious consequence for their viciousness. Ever. All blacks know this.

For them there will be affirmative action, preferences in hiring and schools, lowered standards, and bizarre excuses for their savagery provided by the Sharptons, Wrights and Jacksons of the country. Take it to the bank that all their lives, blacks will have "special this" and "special that" to open doors for them.

Direct and firm action as stopping the chaos will not happen folks. There's no money in it.


Ace, Hoosier
More great posts. Golly i hope we're not preaching to the choir. Are there parents out there reading this? If so, go to the school where your children are taught. Every school loves volunteers. Find out what's going on. Your child may be dealing with a world you wouldn't wish on a convicted burglar. As Ace noted, parochial schools put up with no BS. They can arbitrarily and near instantly expel any student they consider an impediment to the learning of others. Hoosier says this is done in his area too, but its hardly universal. Being in a public charter school, we have to deal with the PC idiocy designed to protect the school system from being sued with resultant unwelcome publicity to school boards and career types. Being a charter though, we don't care about the careers of the big wigs, so we go through the rigamarole of expelling trouble makers rather more often than many public schools do. Our director says Let 'em sue. That's why we have a lawyer on retainer. Our average student comes in at the 30th academic percentile. Our average student leaves at the 78th percentile in 8th grade, with the director kicking butt because its not 80.

How about ...
... caning?

Pro from Dover
There are many space-takers who fit your post and they must be dealt with. However, your post brought to mind the greater majority of students who are not space takers, who are aware of near and long term consequences of anti-social behavior, some of whom are black.

Liberals sh*t on minorities
and have gotten away with blaming white cons. ever since.

But liberals invented the drug culture

the sexual *revolution* that simply means the corruption of young women to service male lust and shoulder the results of disease and pregnancy

the crime wave and prison population of minorities mostly incarcerated for drug offenses

the degradation and demoralization of public schools which no longer produce many seniors who can read on the 4th grade level or even graduate

I'm waiting for blacks and Hispanics and the poor in general to wake up from their long dream of gov't support and realize the liberals have sold them out, drug addicted them and their kids, brought gangs of gun-toting teenagers to their neighbohoods, ruined their marriages and sex lives, and are now running for office to do more of the same to the entire nation.

Caning???
Sedonaman (beautiful spot, by the way) when i was in grade school the teacher carried a paddle in his back pocket 3 inches wide, 3/4 inches thick and 18 inches long, including the handle. When i got to high school, the Dean of Boys had his fraternity paddle on the wall behind his desk. I heard him use it once. It made a very very large impression on this 9th grader. My opinion is that a serious swat on the gluteous maximus is the most effective cure for attention deficit disorder. A "timeout" means nothing to these kids. A swat is remembered, and avoided.

Renny
Good morning. I couldn't sleep either.

Savage99
I wasn't referring to normal students who want to be educated. It doesn't take many vicious space-takers to send a school into chaos.

Since the Kerner commission granted a pass to blacks who rioted and burned cities in the sixties, personal responsibility and accountablility in that race went out the window. By choice, blacks have turned their schools into victim pools and social gathering places where anything goes. Violence gains status for black predators, and that goes for predominantly black cities. Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore, and Philadelphia are but a few of the cities that are now lost to crime, filth and viciousness.

Real students need and want a safe place to learn, but the space-takers are allowed to prey on others and create trouble. If a black student in a black school doesn't support the violence, he or she will be an instant outcast as well as a future victim.

There's too much power and profit with this chaos. Only real students will suffer, but, oh well, these things happen.


He was very lucky....
"hall roamer who tried to hide in my classroom while I was coaching a small group of my students. It ended with my taking down the kid when he attacked me a second time.... My assailant got time in the lockup and probation."

I would teach in this school in a heartbeat and race has nothing to do with it. I was in an *all* white high school in rural Maine and it got to the point where I told one little (white) punk that while I knew I couldn't touch him, I weighed over 200 lbs and I didn't intend to move out of the narrow doorway so that he could leave the classroom.

The charges were that I encouraged the child to injure himself because I knew he couldn't safely lift my weight. I am not making this up.

I am not surprised to hear that this small high school continues to set the record in the entire state for bomb threats and false fire alarms....

Feminism is the curse....

Seriously.

There are more women in education now than there were back in the old days when those were the only jobs open to women. Feminist theory has run education for the past 40 years.

And the other thing that people overlook is that the teachers who DON'T teach are the most popular with the students -- if you let the kids do anything they want (including live sex acts) in the classroom and never assign any material you are cool -- if you try to teach you are insensitive.

Police have a term known as "drive by and wave" -- of not being cops because they will get into trouble for doing it. Teaching isn't any different, one can be a Sgt Schultz for 20-30 years and get a nice pension and many do.

Feminism is the curse....

Seriously.

There are more women in education now than there were back in the old days when those were the only jobs open to women. Feminist theory has run education for the past 40 years.

And the other thing that people overlook is that the teachers who DON'T teach are the most popular with the students -- if you let the kids do anything they want (including live sex acts) in the classroom and never assign any material you are cool -- if you try to teach you are insensitive.

Police have a term known as "drive by and wave" -- of not being cops because they will get into trouble for doing it. Teaching isn't any different, one can be a Sgt Schultz for 20-30 years and get a nice pension and many do.

Put some fear into 'em.
A few years ago, the school system where I grew up banned corporal punishment. They claimed it was being used on a "disproportionate" number of black students (the fact that the school system is overwhelmingly black didn't seem to matter).

In my twelve years of school, I was paddled exactly twice - once by a black teacher, and once by a black assistant principal - and for rather minor offenses. Since I'm white, is it possible that these paddlings were racially motivated? It's possible, but not very likely. The fact is, I was guilty. I had committed minor offenses, but they were offenses nonetheless, and I deserved what I got.

We need to stop being so hypersensitive and politically correct and start allowing teachers and administrators to do their jobs. It's tough enough to enforce discipline in school when there's no discipline in the home, but teachers have the right to exercise some control. If parents have a problem with that, tell them to put their kids in a private school.

ROOSTING CHICKENS

.....MARY ...

.....The behavior you describe was predictable and inevitable the day the Federal Government enacted a policy of forced intergration by bussing children to schools outside their Districts ...

.....When are the plebes going to learn that the true enemy is not BIG BUSINESS as they have been indoctrinated to believe but BIG GOVERNMENT ...

.....The more they ask of Government ...the more they enslave themselves .....COLOSSUS

35 YEARS IN THE CLASSROOM
Let's get down to it. The secular socialist victim-worship crowd has won and won big. The one job of every parent is to "send a respectful child willing to learn to school"... that is it, no more or less. But with the rise of "fornication families", "broken homes" and "drugs and liberal media" its over in many places and won't be back. That is sanity, that is respect for adults and others. Its always so someone else's fault and the sorry parent (parent) calls the admins to whine and threatens lawsuits. Many admins are now also spineless libs that shift blame. Wonder why teachers are in short supply? Wonder why private schools have been booming for decades?
I am 61 now and live to see the first lawsuit against the parents and admins for denying a (respectful child willing to learn) child their education by enabling the repeated disruption of the teaching-learning process on a weekly basis by a student. Parents should be sued when they enable bad behavior. They are responsible. No family, no country. No respect, no learning. The rest are details. Groups go to great lengths to avoid those simple admissions. The cultural baloney does not justify robbing others of the right to learn. Sadly, there are (liberal-govt) bean counters who want to know what % of race-gender for each and every area. This must stop. Its forcing admins-schools to fake-lie about reality.
Students are not "little adults" with a zillion rights. Most schools have tried in vain for decades to reduce the loss of 20-30% of teaching time to discipline issues. How is that working for ya? Send them home early and often. Those willing to learn and be respectful have waited long enough to get their tax money's worth from the public schools. Enough is enough. Excuses do not feed the bulldog.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
LBJ and the democratic experiment in a Great Society maybe needs to be rethunk! Seems we be getting a lot of ramifications that they not be thinking of at the time. Why is it that them Democrats don't seem to have any idea in the world why things don't happen good just because it sounded like a good idea. Maybe they aren't watching the results or maybe they just don't know a cause from an effect. Either way you would think that they be learnin some of this by now. It been forty fifty years and most all of this stuff just gets pushed on and on and made worse rather than better. Now we gone make health care a "right" and screw that up too. Oh good.

Nickel
"Why is it that them Democrats don't seem to have any idea in the world why things don't happen good just because it sounded like a good idea. Maybe they aren't watching the results or maybe they just don't know a cause from an effect."

The trouble is, government aid programs take on lives of their own. The bureaucrats who run these agencies constantly have to justify their existence, or they lose their jobs. Few politicians have enough backbone to say that these obsolete programs should be cut, because they fear the political fallout.

gone are the figures of authority
Upland William writes:

I remember elementary school back in the dark ages (late 50s - early 60s). The teachers were figures of authority and few even thought of defying them. Those who tried regretted the effort as the parents (both black and white) came down on them like the hammer of Thor.

Have you noticed the assault on adults in general? Just watch the shows that drum into our youth that the adults are stupid and kids are the wise all-knowing....oh and the men too...poor Raymond (Everygbody Loves Raymond), idiot Doug (King of Queens) etc. and watch how they deal with kids gone wild...they run and kow-tow.

I prayed my children would not deliver grandkids cause I saw this coming when Father Knows Best, Donna Reed, etc. were replaced with shows I would not allow my own children to suck in and from which to view the world.

But that's what the liberals have been feeding since the 60's...and unfortunately there's no way to go back to any sense and sensibility.


Brief thoughts.

Mary, thank you once again... for another candid look inside what can only be described as a national tragedy.

And thank you posters, for sharing some great insights and also your personal stories.

But my heart really breaks for our kids. As I still wonder when... and if... anything will ever change for the better.

In other words, when will we and the parents of America finally rise up and say, "Enough!!!"...?

So, what will it take?

Or do we just give up???

Upland William
"I remember elementary school back in the dark ages (late 50s - early 60s). The teachers were figures of authority and few even thought of defying them. Those who tried regretted the effort as the parents (both black and white) came down on them like the hammer of Thor."

As I said previously, I was paddled twice in all of my years of school. I didn't tell my parents about those incidents. Why? Because they always told me that if I got a whipping at school, I'd get another one when I came home. Today, if a child gets paddled in school, his parents are as likely as not to sue the school.

Did you see the recent video of that gang of girls beating up another girl? If I had ever done anything like that, the justice system would have been the least of my worries. A judge might have gone easy on me, but my parents would have made me wish I'd never been born.

Thugs in school
It's obvious that teachers are losing this battle as they haven't the support of administrators, parents and politicians. They are alone and why they do it is a mystery, allowing these thugs to continue school is a mistake. They interfere with serious students, i.e., those who want to learn, and are a danger to everyone in the system. Better to banish them to the streets, that's where they end up anyway, that's just prior to becoming inmates at corrections facilities where they, in their ignorance, continue their anti-social behavior among themselves and against the prison staff. It's impracticable to put a police officer in each room but there should be cameras with monitors who can send officers immediately to trouble spots. The thugs enjoy seeing themselves on Youtube, juvenile authorities will find it amusing to see the change in these thugs from the time of their misbehavior and the time when incarceration is being discussed.

what will it take?
a crisis...

perhaps that's the only way to clean the slate and start over again.

it will make E V E R Y O N E responsible...then each and every body will have to fend for themselves.

I am sick and tired of taking care of slackers.

Just wait til the 50,60,70% of those who don't graduate H.S. come of age, find themselves not able to get a job...and drain taxpayers even more...

when the next president takes over, I too plan on going on the dole as I refuse, and can no longer afford, to continue supporting those who REFUSE to contribute to the common good.

It's a very sad time for America.

Respect is earned not given
A sign with that statement was in the office of the football coach at my high school in the early 80s. I doubt it is there now. Some advice for several people in this article.

For Mr. Klein and Mr Burd: Sue the school board!

For the public education bureaucracy:
1. Teach proper grammar.
2. Expect students to respect teachers first (this should be obvious but apparently isn't)
3. Respect the parents of students who pay taxes and want their children to be educated.

For Terry Gross
1. Learn proper grammar
2-3. 2 and 3 above.
3. Next time you are interviewing some worker who cut his finger at work and his employee did not comply with every OSHA regulation say "You should not show disrespect for the sharp pair of scissors in your hand."

I experienced the enabling....
...from parents and administrators first hand while supervising an alternative high school.

For those who don't know, alternative high schools are for those who can't or won't make it in the regular schools.

Lo and behold, I learned that the predator space-takers in schools had their fun simply because they could. They knew that mommy or daddy would be down to the school in a very short time to literally scream and threaten anyone who would correct their beloved progeny. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, folks.

I wasn't from the public school culture. I was from corrections, and in short order, I brought order. I announced that I was the toughest guy in school so if anyone wanted to try me out, let me know and we'll throw down. I didn't have one taker in three and a half years.

I kicked out the space-takers who were over age sixteen, and sent the underage ones to juvenile court with the charge of school incorrigibility. I went up against attorneys of all sorts and never lost a case. I'm not a lawyer.

The result of all this was that real students began to learn, they actually earned college scholarships, and there was a rush by parents to have their kids admited to the school.

But the establishment didn't like it.

I was soon undermined and predators were no longer allowed to be bounced out. Petitions to juvenile court were no longer allowed. The place, once again, descended into chaos. I then quit.

This was a predominantly white school system.

Schools can be fixed, but they won't be in my lifetime. Too many adults are "gettin' paid" big bucks for this insantiy, and they aren't about to let strong, adult supervision take hold. After all, as they see it, "it's for the children".

Savage99
There are indeed parents reading this column and comments.

Suffice to say I will not bore you with all of my trials and tribulations of the public school system. What I will say though is the comments missed another overriding factor....lawyers!

There is no one thing that has caused this, but an accumulation of things, most of which can be pointed directly to a break down of society.

The pro from dover
What I see happening is two America's....literally.

The poor will relegate their kids to the public school sewer system and the middle class and wealthy will use alternatives.

Due to the lack of enforcement of rules it will be increasingly difficult for the poor to find a way out. The class division will become more pronounced, the cycle of poverty will continue, and the entitlement mentality will increase.

The public school system used to be the great equalizer, but no longer.

LAUSD
I MOVED OUT OF LAOS ANGELES (sic) IN 1976 TO ORANGE COUNTY SO THAT MY CHILDRED COULD GET A NON-RACIST, VIOLENCE FREE EDUCATION.
IN THE LAUSD, ONLY 50% OF ATTENDING STUDENTS WILL GRADUATE. EVERY YEAR NEW STANDARDS, MOSTLY LOWERED, ARE ENACTED TO BOOST GRADUATIONS AND DROP DROP OUT RATES. GOOD LUCK. dial 1 for english.
no requirements for spelling - obsolete
no requirements for x tables - obsolete
no requirements for u.s. history - meaningless
more history of mexico and aztlan. viva la raza.
skip school on the marxist demo days. viva che. viva fidel. the place is a hot bed for communist inspired hispanic revolution in so. cal.


LAUSD UNION THEME SONG:
don no mucho bout geeogerfy
don no mucho bout bialagy
dont no mach about science boks
dono mush about the french i tok.

but i got SELF ESTEEM. even though i cannot fill out a job application.

adios,
Jarvey
Lancaster, Yugofornia
Greater Aztlan
dial 1 for english speaking foreigners


Liberals Never Learn - Ever!
Kepha wrote:
"However, nostalgia for the days of segregation (except, insofar as those were also the days when blacks and whites had a worthwhile culture)isn't needed. Nor should we view minority majority school districts and administrations as the enemy. Rather, we need to reach out across the divides."


Tell ya what, Kepha. You guilt-ridden white liberals can just keep right on reaching "out across the divides" while the rest of us sane people will work on putting these savage beasts in holding pens.

Seems your kind has been reaching "out across the divides" for some 50 years now, and all it's gotten you bleeding hearts is a whole lot of insults, threats, broken bones and millions of illiterate young criminals and gangbangers calling the shots in our public schools.

Kepha, be mighty careful reaching "out across the divides." Some savage punk may be waiting on the other side of that divide waiting to cave your head in with a tire jack. Hope ya got good life insurance. You owe that much to your family.

Whats worse
The respect for law and authority is being destroyed in all aspects of society, intentionally.

The anarchy seen in the Public Schools is taking place outside of Schools, becoming a rod of violence instead of the rod of correction.

Allowing any student in a classroom who is not there and under the complete control of the administration, is a crime against every other child there and all of society itself.

This is all being done intentionally to create chaos, and anarchy.
From our own government.
Don't believe that?
Then explain why immigration laws, traffic laws, identity laws and fraud laws are not being enforced on the wave of illegals coming into this country.

The real enemy of America is not in Iraq, they are right here in our midst, in seats of authority.

To give some young man respect for creating confusion by his defiance, is supporting the chaos this uncorrected behavior brings.
Its a law of nature, and if broken, will take its vengeance in 1000's of hurts and pains for all of us in a cascading violence on society.

Pain we all feel, when we read about things Mary speaks to.

Nemesy
"Blacks seem to possess a genetic propensity for evil. Most - not all - but most, when given the opportunity to do good, even to their own benefit, will choose to do evil. Even against their own interests. The past 4 decades have proved that the problem with Blacks cannot be fixed; the problem lies in deep in their DNA."


You are a retard and maybe evil yourself.


Chickens
The chickens are really going to come home to roost when this godless, self-indulgent, stupid generation become adults.

We were warned...
way back in the later fifties by Blackboard Jungle. I guess that all the libs of the day thought it a liberating exercise of our freedoms.

Blackboard Jungle A Tea Party
Independent Thinker, by today's "standards," Blackboard Jungle could quite literally be considered a Tea Party, the salient difference being if you remade the movie (at least realistically) it would be all jungle bunnies and Hispanic gangbangers, even the tough white kids having deserted these "schools" decades ago.

We need bumper stickers
Knowledge is Power
"Readen be fo Whitey"?

and

Whitey has all the power
"Don't act White"?

THE TICKING RACIAL TIME BOMB

....."When whites are in the majority, blacks are suppressed ...when blacks are in the majority, whites are massacred" .....Anonomous

.....OBAMA AND MUGABE

.....NEMSEY ...did you mean that Obama would turn
the USA into Zimbabwe? ...maybe if Blacks were in the
majority but otherwise not likely ...

.....An interesting Editorial in a Dallas paper had
this headline, "MUGABE'S MONSTROUS LEGACY" ...the
headline could have been "JIMMY CARTER'S MONSTROUS
LEGACY" ...another Foreign Policy gift that keeps on
giving from our Greatest Demo-boob President ...the
paper is a Liberal rag so they would never mention
Carter's role in installing Mugabe as President ...

.....After labeling Mugabe a monster the editors go on
to say ..."he led the guerilla fight against "RACIST
RULE" ...and inherited a nation rich in resources and
an agricultural showcase ...when citizens began to
fall on hard times as a result of Mugage's misrule, he
blamed WHITE farmers, expropriated the farms and
redistributed the land to his cronys" ...

.....Now, Zimbabwe is one of the worst places in the
World to live ...once the region's breadbasket,
Zimbabwe now depends on international food to survive
...maybe they should just kick Mugabi out and
re-instate that WHITE RACIST RULE that made the
Country so rich and prosperous ...

.....I wrote my suggestion to the Editors ...I am sure
they are calling me a racist ...better to let the
people suffer and starve than to be called a racist
.....COLOSSUS

Ace did you see
that the court in California ruled that home schooling is not allowed in CA? Just what they need there, and just what we need to spread here.

I know of a woman who home schooled her three b******s. It's good she did. Otherwise, the three of them would have disrupted three classrooms at a time.

grew up in the 60's 70's
Always gave the benefit of the doubt to blacks. Went through racial riots in Milwaukee (on vacation when I was a kid), in the Army, racial riots again, grew up in a rapidly diversifying neighborhood. Dad got us out of there. He was a public school teacher. Knew what was going on but chose action not talk. Never heard a racial comment from him, may he rest in peace. Took 40 years to learn a lesson. Now I know. I will NEVER put my kids through a CITY public school nightmare. I don't even like the suburbian PC version.

Where do they grow these "liberals"?
Is it the college courses with the Maxist wantabee professors or the nut job situation comedies on tv or the air head main stream media or what? It seems they are everywhere but then again I live in the Northeast. I used to think when I was a kid that a two party system meant when they had a democratic primary. Where did these people come from? Is it all those public sector employees or what?

Is David Duke On To Something?
Baseballdoc, you quoted an anoymous source - "When whites are in the majority, blacks are suppressed ...when blacks are in the majority, whites are massacred" .....Anonomous

Sir, I needn't tell you that statement is not at all hyperbole, not by a longshot. We need only to look to current-day Africa, and also South Africa when blacks assuned power with the end of apartheid.

There just so happens to be many highly uncomfortable, ingrained genetic traits amongst blacks as a race that far too many liberals insist on ignoring, or at the very least defending or glossing over.

The intractable cultural pathologies in the black community persist in large part owing to the eagerness of so many guilt-ridden whites to place the blame everywhere except where it squarely belongs, namely on the unwillingness of the black community to integrate with whites in a civilized, law-abiding manner. It's not an accident that these black "children" act this way in our schools - they get it direcrly from mommy and daddy. And if they don't know who's their mommy or daddy, which is more often than not the case, there are aunts and uncles and grandmas waiting in line to "ejumakate" them.


Racial Roosting Chickens,etc.
It will be interesting when a new census is taken,especially in the south.Where it usually was reported as a low ratio of blacks vs.whites.That no longer applies.

Young black girls are spitting babies out like seeds.Some are starting before they are even teenagers.Of course,they are not married.By the time they are through their teens,they will have three or four more.Each with a different sperm donor.

My city is fifty-five percent black.At least once a week ,a high school is raided because of gang activity.These gang members are,you guessed it,black.The jails are overflowing with almost all blacks.Taxpayers are suffering just trying to feed them.

Over one hundred gang members were arrested in a sting operation a couple of months ago.All black.Home invasions run rampant in our area.It is documented that 90% of the violent crime in my area is black related.

You people of the PC crowd had better wake up.Many of you live in gated communities,as do our government officials.Your children go to private schools.You have no earthly idea how the rest of us live in fear each day and night.You had better get a clue,though,and get it soon.

Even the elitist blacks
Whine and complain nee: Michelle Obama, Instead of being thankful for the opportunities she has been given, She complains she had to pay for them(her student loans).
The change they are touting is not going to ever help our Country. God help us all.

Nickel
You ask "where do they grow these liberals'?

"Give me four years to teach your children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted."

"Give me the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever". Vladimar Lenin

The radicals of the Sixties have dominated the public education establishment for fifty years.

Back for more
Who are the villains? The NEA, The United States Department of Education, our colleges and universities in general and their Departments of Education in particular, our individual state Departments of Education, and last but not least, our elected legislators who do not have a clue about anything except staying in office.


The main causative factor is the teachers and administrators produced by our colleges. Our colleges are, literally, dens of Marxism.

Busing
When my sister lived in Long Beach, hispanic children were bused into her district. She helped out at that elementary school and found the children polite and respectful to her. the negative things she encountered were that all the hispanic children received free hot lunches and when her daughter forget her lunch money the begrudgingly gave her a white bread cheese sandwich. There are many different types of racism and favoritism. The fact that my sister and her husband's taxes help to fund this school was irrelevant. Free breakfast, and lunch were given to the other bused in students.

The pro from dover
I just read your 12:04 post. Great stuff!

Remember Joe Clark? He actually turned a failing school into a good school, and the liberals raked him over the coals for it. Why did they hate him so much? Was it because he put the lie to all their pet theories?

If I were President, I'd appoint Joe Clark as Secretary of Education. Of course, the liberals in the Senate would do everything in their power to keep him from being confirmed, but the fight would make those liberals show their true colors.

Thank you, Barry and Jeremiah
for knocking the lid off a simmering pressure cooker. Its been politically correct for black race baiters to indulge in racial hate speech for decades. But with the widespread publicity, the clear-cut racial hate inherent in black Liberation Theology, and the issue taken up by enough whites to reinforce and support one another, as they say what they have been thinking for years, finally the white racial equivalents of the black race baiters have dared to open their mouths. Pretty isn't it? How strange, when you accuse people of racism they resent it. Black folks, having been victims of stereotyped thinking for so long, you'd think would avoid it. To their credit, i know many many who do. Since i have faith in the basic goodness of the human race (as well as the possibility of horrific acts) i trust the vast majority of decent folks will rise above the scum that all too often threatens to obscure the light in us all. My experience is that life is a mirror, reflecting back what i radiate. As i am able to project good will and positive regard, i experience it in great measure from those around me. I recognize the exceptions are coming from misery, and for my own sake, avoid going into reaction as i deal with them. Not that i do this as well as i'd like. Ingratitude is not at all easy for me to stomach. there is only so much time and treasue, and i prefer to spend them where they achieve the most positive effect. Some drowning kids one has no choice but to watch them sink.

chattymickey
When I was a kid, I'd see other kids come to school in nicer vehicles and wearing nicer clothes than my parents could afford, yet they were on the free lunch program and I was not. If any public assistance program has proven to be a sham, it's the free lunch program.

Ph: dreaming!!!!
Ph.D., J.D. writes: Saturday, May, 10, 2008 9:02 AM
To the Public School Teachers:
I cannot deny that there are some awesome, dedicated public school teachers out there. If you really love your kids, band together and fight NEA and union policies, and promote a back to basics education. You might just save this country.
__________________________________

Ph: YOU ARE DREAMING!!! There is not a chance that teachers, as a group, will fight the NEA. The NEA protects the incompetents and the most teachers are indeed incompetent. Incompetent at least in the sense that they have let themselves be convinced that the lib/lefty/marxist/Ayers fuzzy nonsense, fuzzy class control, fuzzy math, fuzzy etc, actually work--they have let themselves be convinced of that nonsense because it makes their lives easier, not because they are convinced it works, necessarily.

This public school problem is simply not brought out, and for good reason: The NEA has bought and paid for silence on the subject.

I left a profitable business to become a public school teacher thinking that I had talent in the area of helping students become analytical thinkers. Nope, and by the tone of the conversations in the teachers' lounge, where everyone was trying to get out of the school room and into administration, no one had that talent.

The only good thing that came out of that experience, which we calculate cost us $500,000 between the cost of the certification and the foregone income, was that we homeschooled.

BTW, Ms Grabar
Cracker is the black code word which means exactly the same when applied to a white person, as the n word means when applied to a black person by a white racist. It is a racial slur, deliberate and carefully selected. No self-respecting black parent would let their children use it, no more than a decent white parent would tolerate n****r from their child. I dislike even seeing it. It is a reliable indicator of disrespect and racist thinking.

Schools--"Their" way is better.
In the movie Rising Sun, the role played by Sean Connery--Capt. John Conner says this "The Japanese have a saying, fix the problem, not the blame, then no one gets blamed. We're always trying to find out who f'ed up. Their way is better."

I was sitting in a school office in Chai-i, Taiwan one day. A student was forced to come in and the teacher racked his hands with a ruler hard--five times or more. Then for the rest of the day the student had to come back sit in the same corner during class breaks and read a book.

I doubt he told his parents of this because then they would have beat him too. Can you imagine if a teacher did this in the US? She'd be arrested and fired and the school district would be sued and if the student was black--the various black civil right wh0res would show up.

The problem is American parents by in large don't correct their children and let them become basically savages. Schools are afraid to do anything because of law suits and being accused of racism. I am not saying Taiwan schools are perfect, but they don't have violence issues like in the US and they do much better academically. Oh when this incident happened--Taiwan schools had active Army officers on campus too who would tear you a new one if you ever tried something like hitting a teacher.

Too bad that teacher didn't have a gun who could have put that "child" where he belonged--in the cemetery. Of course guns aren't allowed on school grounds even if you have a carry permit. And he'd face no doubt murder charges for killing the poor student.

In short and on average American schools are awful and sending a child there in many cases could be considered child abuse and "their" way is better. Much of what is wrong with the US can be linked to the awful k-12 system that exists here. If another country did this to you, you'd consider it an act of war.




Pathetic
No wonder the number of Good Teachers continues to fall every year! No wonder the Schools are War Zones and the normal children suffer from Post tramatic Stress Disorder. When Teachers are reminded "What side their bread is buttered" and the result for this mentality is a severely harmed teacher or student. I wouldnt take on the job of a public school teacher if my life depended on it! Parents of Public School Children do whatever it takes to get your kids out of these War Zones before it is too late!!!

baseballdoc 2:26 PM
....."When whites are in the majority, blacks are suppressed ...when blacks are in the majority, whites are massacred" .....Anonomous


The quote is from Alexis De Toqueville's "Democracy in America" an observation he made concerning the situation at the time of the 1870's.

Akaqi
You are correct about the schools in the US.There are still some good ones,but are usually charter schools.There they have more discipline and grades must be upheld.They get the better students and teachers.

A special ed teacher in one of our public(government)schools here passed away last year.She was thirty six years of age.About five(app.) years ago, she was brutally attacked in the bathroom at school.

Her attacker was fourteen years old.He was wheelchair bound,but was a large kid and black.She was small and white.He stabbed her multiple times,injuring her brain.

She eventually regained consciousness,but her brain did not heal and she was an invalid,.She was engaged at the time.Her fiance took care of her until her death.

This is not the first or last attack on a teacher here,though it is the worst.Our city is over fifty percent black.Gangs and violence are in the public schools and on the streets.This will be our downfall.




With a 70% illegitimacy rate
in the black community, and a rising rate in the all other racial groupings, and the negative pathologies that we know arise from that factor, can you imagine what the future holds for the educational system alone?

Pray for your grandchildren.

Talk About An Imploding Culture!
Gnome, good thing that truly brilliant man, Alexis De Toqueville, is not around today. He would be summarily dissmissed as an ignorant racist by supernovae intellects such as Rosie O'Donnell and Bill Mahr. Like, who needs guys like Alexis De Toqueville when we have stellar intellects like O'Donnell and Mahr strutting their stuff?

Well, letemeat
he was writing at a time when the general popualtion still recognized the existence of moral standards, the genesis of them, and their absolute indispensability for maintaining social order and tranquility.

He observed that, regardless of where he traveled in America at the time; whether in a stately mansion on Beacon Hill or a mud flat out West, there were always at least two books on the mantle - Shakespeare and the Bible.

Know't I'm sayin?

Not A Given That Our Democracy Will Last
Indeed, I do know what you're saying, Gnome, and nothing better illustrates your point than archived Civil War letters from very, very young soldiers, many of whose "education" resided in elementary school primers and precious books the families maintained back then, even very poor families. Education was universealy valued as an end unto itself, by rich and poor alike.

Reading many of these Civil War letters from quite young soldiers, many still in their teens, Gnome, one is awestruck by the absolute literatacy of so many of them, not to mention their often poignant prose which today could be mistaken for poetry. I dare say, very few professors in college could write nearly as good as these young men did back then, especially Confederate soldiers.

Further, take a look at some of these primers widely used in grade schools across America in the early 1900s. The curriculum, even amongst 5th and 6th graders, encompassed all aspects of grammar, quite difficult math problems and seriously difficult science and geography. They really tested a student's ability to reason and think. Too, there were no multiple choice tests then; all answers were in written form directly responding to the question.

The vast majority of graduate students today would look at some of this stuff and their eyes would glaze over.

Thnak you for your kind response.

Our Rich Cultural Diversity
From CNN today:

LOS ANGELES - A fight that broke out at a troubled South Los Angeles high school escalated into a campus-wide brawl involving as many as 600 students before it was quelled by police in riot gear.

The melee, which students said started around noon Friday between rival black and Hispanic gangs, forced authorities to shut down Locke High School and keep students in their classrooms. After restoring order, they rounded up students who had not returned to class and separated them by race, holding Hispanics in the gym and black students in another room.

Letemeatfreehealthcare
Is it safe to say we reap what we have sown?

Would it be presumptuous of me to say that there is a direct correlation between societal tranquility and prosperity and the degree to which that society conforms itself to Biblical prescriptions, since that factor does seem to be in evidence in both cases; in the former by its presence and in the latter by its absence?

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
Yes, Gnome Sane, it would.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
I saw a spin put on a TV newscast story the other day when the reporter announced that a college professor's research showed that conservatives were happier than liberals. He deduced the reason was that when someone believes that the poor are poor because they don't want to work they don't let it bother them. But another TV report recently told that conservatives donate a much larger percentage of their income to charitable causes including the poor than the liberals. It seems to me that the reason they are happier is because they are more generous and compassionate. And I further believe that is why the liberals want to give the government the power to take more money from individuals to give to other individuals. It soothes their consciences without making a dent in their own disposable income.
Perhaps it isn't clear to many what this has to do with student assaults on teachers but it is very clear to me. When government took away responsibility from the individual it took away self respect and what followed was lack of respect for others.
Our poor teachers are simply suffering from the fall-out. Home school families are growing by leaps and bounds and private schools, especially religious ones are flourishing in spite of the fact that the parents have to pay twice. Try to be a little more tolerant of conservative values, liberals.
You reap what you sow. Have a little compassion, too. The life you save may be your own child who some day becomes a teacher.

Nancy J.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
This is a really big argument for the literal interpretation of the constitution. The teacher should have availed himself of his second amendment rights and removed this cancer from societies 'skin' by way of a 230g JHP right through the forehead. He would not re-offend nor make more scociopaths.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
General disrespect in the classroom grew out of the Vietnam War period when all authority was questioned.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
Willy Victor, I would argue that all authority was not only questioned, it was then redirected; from the external authority of the time, which was largely Biblical, (As late as 1965 in New York City (!), for example, the only basis upon which divorce was legally granted, was on the grounds of adultery) to the inner authority of the self.

For a good explication of the process read David Wells' "No Place For Truth", heavily footnoted.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
Reply #90,

You are totally over the line. I would suggest a chill pill is in order. Not funny, insightful or justified. Just obviously with a screw too far loose to be considered rational. Black white hatred isn't the core issue here, it just might seem that way to you. Get a grip or turn in your posting button.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
Nemesys
Beating someone to the ground is hardly arguing with facts. Initiating force is the ultimate immorality. Insults need not be borne, but should be dealt with at their own level. Welfare FEED and BREED. Harsh, but not unreasonable description of much of what passes for welfare. I favor replacing most govt aid with programs like the old WPA and CCC in which the govt provides jobs of last resort.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
I don't think any violence against anyone "of a particular color" is specifically called for in this. However, if a punk kid feels the need to "strike out" against a teacher, being the cowards they are it's usually a female, they should have the crap kicked out of them. Or at the very least, be sent to prison. At least then they would probably be reunited with their father.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
It's coming soon. Real Americans are going uprise and revolt against the liberals in the senate and congress, in the education system, in governemnt overall. They, just like the 17 socio/communists that enjoy being senators and congressmen/women will be bulldozed out of the country.
The problem is exacerbated because Americans brains are up their asses busy watching crap like American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, Deal or no Deal and the myriad of crap put in front of each one of us on tv. These are smoke screens to blind and dumb down Americans and the ability to think smart.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
Thanks to the anti-white racist Democratic party, this is a problem. The racist Democratic bigots, have been sucking up to racist blacks for so long, that ANY criticizum of blacks by whites is deemed "racist".

The only solution is for Americans of good will to band together and punish these Democrats until they ALL disavow the anti-white racists in a majority of blacks and white liberals.

Thank you B. Hussein Obama, America could not have seen this without you.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
REPLY TO LOLO1,CA

"What I see happening is two America's....literally.

The poor will relegate their kids to the public school sewer system and the middle class and wealthy will use alternatives."

That's exactly right!! The distinction, the class-divide will be even greater in the very next few years as those students who are serious and go on to graduate and higher learning will be in good paying jobs...while those 50,60% who are not even finishing H.S. will end up AT BEST in low-paying jobs and struggly or on the welfare rolls. At whom will the fingers be pointed then?

It's up to the minority Black and Hispanic leaders to speak the truth and tell it like it is...only they themselves can make the real changes about which Barack Obama talks... all the $$ that's being poured in, is not. But all I hear is that they promise that "Big Brother," the government, will do more...promising gaurantees that they can never fulfill...and the uneducated, illiterate, slackers, pipe-dreamers eat it up...

but where is the individual responsibility?

where is the honor and pride of doing for oneself? of accomplishing something for oneself?

They're preaching more dependency on an already dysfunctional system...

and the time will come soon when that proverbial straw will break the camel's back
as there will be fewer people working/contributing and there will be MORE with their hands outstretched.

I would vote for the candidate who had the guts to say that.


Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
Ken, VA

"Remember Joe Clark? He actually turned a failing school into a good school, and the liberals raked him over the coals for it."

Yes, I just watched the movie "Lean on Me" with Morgan Freeman...what a great story. Yes, what he demanded from the students was to, plain and simple...learn...TO BETTER YOURSELF. No one else can do it for you....you cannot make a horse drink though you brought it to the trough.

"THEY" have to want it. But why should they? They have no reason to take care of themselves. They know the government will provide and they like it like that.

Assaults on Teachers: Not Just for Crackers Anymore
Ken, the problem is even larger than this, far larger. Beginning in the early 60s, the democrat party deliberately went about creating a vast underclass depending on THEM to furnish more and more goodies and more and more social programs. It's called the democrat voting base. I call them a legion of dirtly little socialist street urchins.

Effectively, Ken, one half the country is now literally engaged in stealing from the other half of hard-working, productive citizens via extortionate taxes backed by a government gun. The mere fact that my irresponsible neighbor steals my money at the voting booth does not mak him/her any less a thief in my mind. In a word, the government has now made stealing legal, and in most cases encourages it. They're usually called democrats.

"Today, our two Party system is divided this way, one Party completely dependent on pandering to the views of group number two at the expense of group one, and the other Party who finds themselves under increasing pressure to do the same in order to remain in power." - JB Williams, Businessman


I DON'T LIKE THE NEW DESIGN DO YOU?
I DON'T LIKE THE NEW DESIGN DO YOU?

Is it just me, or does anyone else dislike the re-deisgn of the comment page? I wrote to a contact I have at TH, and let him know about this, but I'd like to get your feedback. So, if you don't like what TH has done, please write and let me know how you feel, so I can foward your comments on to TH. Email my at mrmcoupeth@yahoo.com.

Hyphenated Americans
I f I was black you could't make me call myself anything but an 'American'
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"African Americans were deemed unworthy of the claims and entitlements embodied by the title or name “American”, hence excluded from citizenship and the most basic rights.
the infamous 1857 United States Supreme Court decision, led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, which declared in the case now known as the Dred Scott case, that all “blacks”—slaves as well as free—were not and could never become citizens of the United States."

TH is having many technical problems....
TH is having many technical problems....

TH is having many technical problems. I noticed comment pages are experiencing numerous issues. It appears that someone on TH is trying to fix the problems. I posted a comment that I thought TH's re-design was done poorly, but I think that after they get the problems fixed things will be back to normal.

Another problem in a government school
Was it Darwin who said that government schools are not the fittest and must be protected by a monopoly arrangement to prevent their extinction? http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

I'm no Constitutional lawyer...
... but I recall that there was a 1966 decision by the Supreme Court regarding corporal punishment in schools which had a sweeping effect on public education. Students were afforded 'constitutional rights' in the classroom.
Our society should shed the notion that public education is an entitlement. The minumum requirement to admission and continuation should be respect for teachers & other students. If they can't muster that, good riddance.
I worked on many projects related to the 'No Child Left Behind' program over a period of years... scoring essays written by 4th & 7th graders from states across the country. A real eye-opener. Yes, there are glaring differences in ability, noticable by the 4th grade, which no amount of education over the next 8 years will ever remedy. And yes, they are racial.

Assaults On Teachers!
We knew this was coming, it was only a matter of time, I remember when innercity Black Parents were up in arms when their bratty kids would come home and tell them the teacher was being racist towards. Some of them hadn't been to school in weeks yet Black church-going Moms & Dads went ballistic. Hey some of these parents themselves experienced racism first hand and don't want it for the children I can understand that. The other fallacy was to make sure that young Shaniqua had all the latest gadjets to go to school with, including Cell Phones and Beepers in assorted colors and Ipods with colored headphones to match the outfits. However, you would think that these same parents all the while clamorin and a' hollerin for more Black Teacher representation when it manifested itself would instill in the kids a sense of responsibility-NO DICE.
It was interesting to hear Professor on Sabathical-the great actor and now rapper Cornell "I kissed Hugo Chavez's butt and loved it" West on Bill Maher's HBO program always mentioning and nobody ever challenging him on it, that one in every eight Black men in America are in prisons and he attributes this to racism. What he doesn't tell you and won't and what most of these Black kids understand is that 99% of the one in eight black men who are in prison committed their crime(s) against another Black person. So you think just because the teacher is Black that would make a difference? HELL NO!

Educated in BROOKLYN, NY
I went to school in NEW YORK CITY and graduated in 1952 from BOYS HIGH in Bedford Styvesant Brooklyn's equivalant to HARLEM. I was told what high school I would attend I HAD NO CHOICE. I guess the school was made up of 30 to 40% Black And 60% Italian, Chinese, Polish, Puerto Rican, Jewish, Irish, Etc. THERE WERE FAIR ( no guns , knives, one on one, etc. )FIGHTS EVERY DAY " BUT NEVER IN SCHOOL OR DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS " WHAT CHANGED EXCEPT THE LIBERAL INFLUENCE IN EDUCATION.

Reverend Wright's Influence
This article sounds like the world according to Reverend Wright, where black children learn "differently." Will an Obama as President lead to federal guidelines requiring cultural sensitivity training for all teachers, or perhaps requiring many more minority teachers who have native sensitivity? After all, how can a white teacher ever respond properly to the needs of a black child? I hope so. The teacher's unions deserve no less for their robotic support of Democrats who want to
"dumb down" their profession.

Respect and Disrespect
The modern terms come from prison language. Basically if you "respect" someone, you are allowing them to do what they want. If you "disrespect" someone, then you are not allowing them do as they want. For instance, in prisons, a race will claim all the seats in a day room where the televisions are. Anyone else 'disrespects' them by sitting in those seats even if none of that race is present. The guards attempt to stop this but then the guards are 'disrespecting' the members of that race. Not that it bothers the guards too much. If necessary the guards can see that the troublemakers don't get to watch TV. Now it has carried over to the school system.

What it really boils down to is that the teacher is to allow the students to do as they please for the respect is never returned. (Even though psycologists and senior teachers try to say the teacher has to 'earn' respect from the students.) Prison actions carry over to the neighborhoods. The only way to earn respect from such people is to enforce your rules. And as long as the school system won't allow a teacher to punish a student and won't back a teacher up when problems occur then the entire system of education is down the drain.

My grandson, 9, tried that with me. I disrespected him because I wouldn't allow him to do as he wanted. I came down on him hard. Parents need to know what the word means and do the same thing. We don't need prison actions in society. We have enough of those problems anyway.

School Gangs and Discipline
At a local jr. high school, a friend of mine's daughter was attacked by three black girls in a gang. She fought back but the fight was stopped by a teacher. The girl got a week's detention. The three gang girls got nothing. Her mother went in to find out why.

The principal told her that they needed to make an example of someone to convince the other kids that fighting was wrong. They couldn't discipline the gang members because "the other gang members might cause trouble for the school if we do." My friend told the principal that her daughter was coming off the detention or she was going to sue the school and the principal. The principal was offended since it prevented her from making the school 'safer'.

Urban Ratholes
The premise of this article and many of the comments may apply in the urban ratholes of this country, where parents and students are indifferent to education and the teachers are dedicated to minimal work for higher pay. Maybe they are entitled to the pay given the human debris they must teach.

However, in the majority of the small towns and rural areas of this country (where the "bitter" people have antipathy to those unlike them) discipline and order still prevail in the schools. Gang clothing, iPods, and Ebonics are not tolerated. Reverend Wright's views on education are ignored for the racist trash that they are. Children receive a high quality education at reasonable cost.

It is truly a shame that the dedicated teachers and high quality public education in most of the country receive a bad name because of savage, aberrant behavior in some urban ratholes.

More evidence of the differences
The differences are aboout the "World that works and the world that fails." I just finished reading Newt Gingrich's book "Real Change" and this is a classic example of how the education unions and the academic bureaucrats (not to mention the "elites") are destroying the US educational system. It's time for "Real Change", not just "Change" for the sake of change!!
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