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Sunday, April 27, 2008
Mary Grabar :: Townhall.com Columnist
Welcome Back, Teach, But Learn Self-Defense First
by Mary Grabar
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On a National Public Radio story about violence against teachers, a male high school teacher who suffered permanent injuries from an attack by a student reflected back on the experience and mused that he should have displayed better “classroom management.” The host of the program concurred in those oh-so-sympathetic, all-understanding tones that make me want to punch my radio.

And anyone tuning in to cable news in recent weeks has seen the video of the Baltimore high school girl on top of her art teacher, pummeling her. The segment was videotaped for students’ entertainment, as they cheered their classmate on.

Here in Atlanta, at Southside High School, Sequita Thornton, and her mother were finally arrested this week for the beating of Sequita’s teacher on February 28. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports, “The attack against Williams is among several violent acts against metro Atlanta teachers this year.”

A friend of mine whose heart drips blood, like many liberals after 9/11, decided she needed to make an effort to “do more for society.” So she gave up her position as a professor of education and went into the classroom to teach. But she could not handle the behavior problems—of kindergartners. She went back to teaching future teachers. When I had another friend guest teach a couple college classes for me, she too expressed surprise and dismay at the students’ lack of manners. I hear such expressions of shock repeatedly from liberals and want to tell them, well, what did you expect?

I want to tell these people who have come of age from the 1960s and on that this is what your ideology has wrought. Did you think that by coddling children, by constantly asking their opinions and treating them like natural-born geniuses that you’d make good citizens of them? Rousseau’s notion of the Noble Savage has come true—only without the adjective appended to it. The video of the teacher beating provides evidence that what we have produced is anything but “noble.”

One of the colleges where I teach now gets many of its students from places like Southside. I had a colleague who had visited a high school classroom relate a story of how her expression of dismay at seeing a group of boys in the back of the classroom playing cards was met by the high school teacher’s response. She was happy to have the boys being relatively quiet and not disturbing other students.

Students from such places, who are now urged to go to college and offered scholarships, often saunter into class twenty minutes late, and act as if they deserve an hour’s worth of entertainment and praise. The faculty break-room is punctuated by comments from college instructors about students treating them like servants. I am not the only one who is interrupted with personal questions in the middle of a lecture by a late-arriving student, expected to have a stapler for the paper being handed in, or is asked at the end of the semester if students can get “extra credit” to make up for work they failed to do.

In my ornery way, I want to tell them to go out and do some manual work for a while, like my cousin in Slovenia who, as is customary in that country, went to school only as far as the eighth grade. As she hoed in the fields of her parents’ small farm, she thought of what a luxury it would be to sit down read a book.

But now teachers are reminded by college presidents to be encouraging of their “customers” who often make no apologies for not bringing their books to class. Teacher development days are devoted to workshops on how to make classroom time more appealing to students. One workshop leader last fall suggested incorporating text-messaging into classroom time. “Have your students do quizzes by text-message!” she said perkily. Another suggested presenting the material in the form of the TV show Jeopardy.

But we inherit what the public schools produce. I can’t tell you how many times students have told me when I have corrected them (even gently and by questioning) that what I am saying is only my “opinion.” Well, they’ve been told that one opinion is as good as another’s: theirs, their professor’s, etc.

Their textbooks are filled with the “perspectives” and “narratives” of many—the illegal alien, the mentally ill, the prison inmate—while the traditional authorities and heroes are cast into the role of “oppressor.” Those of minority status by virtue of genetics have been fully informed of what they are owed for the oppression of their ancestors. Those of the genetic oppressor caste are quick to distinguish their own sensitive selves from those like them in appearance with fawning displays of understanding.

And the arrogance of the semi-literates grows.

Well, what should we expect from children who have been fed the views of Howard Zinn or Maya Angelou? What should we expect when one-time Weatherman terrorist, Barrack Obama pal Bill Ayers’ is a Professor of Education at the University of Illinois? Theorists like Ayers do not have to worry about being on the receiving end of their theories.

The crippled teachers interviewed on National Public Radio and my colleagues who insist on being “facilitators,” seem to fit James Burnham’s diagnosis of the liberal who maintains an ideology, a belief system, that he clings to in the face of reality. In Suicide of the West published in 1964, Burnham, asks rhetorically of the liberal, “What if his progressively reared children, unhampered by superstition, custom and traditional disciplines but left free to develop their own free natures, turn out to be not liberals but monsters—turn out to be, let us say, the delinquent monsters that today roam the cement jungles of our great cities?”

The answer, of course, remains the same. For the liberal, ideology trumps reality, even when the demolishing of all authority results in the demolishment of his own authority as he stands in the front of the classroom. Indeed, ideology trumps reality even as he is knocked to the floor, bitten, punched, and stabbed, as the insane answers by disabled teachers and delusional pedagogues indicate.

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Mary Grabar earned her Ph.D. in English from the University of Georgia and teaches in the Atlanta area. She is a Pushcart Prize-nominated poet and published fiction writer. Visit her website and get on her mailing list at marygrabar.com
 
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stop "for profit"schools
Grabar wrote: "But now teachers are reminded by college presidents to be encouraging of their “customers"
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So, discontinue "for profit" colleges And tighten admissions policies, and allow for permanent expellments in the public high schools.

As long as money talks, craven college administrators will admit anyone regardless of merit, and tolerate poor and even non performance..

We should also reform the student loan program to only loan money for programs likley to produce jobs-and NOT loan money for even job producing courses in *excess* of the number of job openings projected.



Students Attacking Teachers
Mary! excellant column I love your politically correct paragraph describing Black Students and their reparations induced shoulder chip.
In the future, classrooms will be set up like the set of the Jerry Springer Show just so that students of minority status by virtue of genetics and their genetic oppressor caste will be able to grasp subject matter from the school's curriculum.
Math and Science will be relegated to Hip-Hop music videos with Ludacris showing all children how to count money in front of hoes like a piimp so they can fully grasp the concept of the streets and keeping it real.
High finance and maintaining and entourage will be taught by Professor, the Right Reverend MC Hammer.
And the government will spend a ton of money educating these "brilliant", young, opinionated, thug, mentalists', and everyone will still wonder why the drop-out rate is higher than before and we still continue to lag behind the entire world in Math & Sciences.

Good column
The idea that self-esteem is an educational goal. The idea that self-esteem is best achieved by overstating, even lying, about the contributions and relevance of some and understating or ignoring that of others, and that a student walks in the door the first day of school with valuable opinions and that his self-expression is necessary and worthy of attention.
All so very wrong - and directly the result of the massively liberal Colleges of Educrap that have been foisting their idiocy on American schools for decades. It has been a miserable failure and now our nation's schools are increasingly rife with the violence and dropout rates that reflect this failure.

Maybe not totally relating to subject
But, recently, in a meeting of college presidents decrying the recent Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois shootings, the leader was Duke University President Richard Brodhead, who was quoted as an authority on how to prevent campus unrest at universities in today's violent world, he of the embarrassment of the Duke Lacross scandal, who as much as encouraged the criminal Duke students and townspeople to literally demand the hanging of the entire Duke men's lacross team by immediately firing the lacross coach and allowing the professors on campus to write a viscious letter saying men at colleges are little better than criminals. And, this is an elite university, yet the Duke administration allowed blatant criminal by students on campus for days after the scandal that from the second day clearly showed the 3 accused lacross players were entirely innocent. If this is the type of leadership displayed at this university, what do we expect when students display no ability to know right from wrong. That Brodhead keeps his job is the height of folly.

Oops, left out a word
That should be "allowed blatant criminal ACTIVITY by student". Sorry.

Maybe
parents should stop saving their kids first crap and praising every utterance that emotes from their lips.
Maybe parents should step up to the plate and start raising their kids instead of throwing them to the "village."
Maybe parents should get out of their own pot filled drug induced paranoia to realize that they are parents and not "older" teenagers.
Maybe parents should stop paying for their kids college educations and let the kids work for what they learn. Those are the kids who aren't afraid to stand up to the indoctrination that is going on in most colleges. Why pay for that?
Maybe parents should teach their kids about God and His help in their lives.
The good teachers are dealing with so much crap from the parents and the unions that it is no surprise that the schools are turning out ignorant kids who turn to late night television shows to figure out how they're going to vote. Be very scared.

I wanted to teach
I wanted to be a teacher after serving my country in uniform. I have done the paperwork and started the classes...

For what?

I served in a "hostile fire" area before, most if not all inner city and many a "suburban" high school are worse. The "children" have NO RESPECT for any type of authority. What difference does it make to destroy a door, break a window, smash a desk, hit a teacher (since we cannot, not even in self defense hit back), or kill a teacher.

At least while in uniform I could fight back.

My friend was a school psychologist
He was told that he must not treat ANY action by students as MORALLY WRONG, but always as only a "problem" he would "help" them with. My friend was extremely frustrated, because he KNEW absolutely that much of the misconduct in school had NOTHING to do with "sickness" in any sense. The young hoodlums who were disrupting classes were ENTIRELY capable of behaving decently if they wanted to, but were CHOOSING ON PURPOSE to do things THEY KNEW were wrong, because--what a politically incorrect thing to say!--they had knowingly CHOSEN to prefer evil over good.

It's a
harsh picture painted. Gladwell's excellent book "Tipping Point" describes exactly what is currently becoming an "epidemic." Using the "broken window" theory, its allowing guys in the back of the room to play cards that tells everyone who is in charge. The current sound you hear is the sliding of the American education into the trash as the liberal establishment aids and abets.

Since the early 70s
this has been a problem... I lasted only one year as a teacher... My problem was entering a system that had more respect until the 60s.

Some hope for the future?
I am glad I am not a teacher since I would never ever tolerate bad behavior, ill manners and being told that the facts I just presented were "my opinion" when they are well documented truth. I would lose my cool too easily. All of what Mary presents here is overwhelmingly frightening to say the least.
I have a 10 year old grandson in the 4th grade whose public grade school is about the best I've ever seen - he flourishes there as a top student in academics, deportment, behavior and social skills. We recently took him on a three day trip to Washington, DC -- while there he asked many very intelligent questions about our government, the law, and the political arena. We could see the sincere interest he had and his enthusiasm for learning. But soon he will be in Middle school and then High School where the conditions Mary describes here are rampant facts of life. I am terrified that he is in danger of being destroyed.

Our only hope is that his mother and his grandparents (us) raised him in the "old fashioned" manner where he was always accountable for his behavior and deportment and there were and still are consequences to his behavior. He was helped to develop and achieve worthwhile goals, to show initiative, be responsible, and to accept the consequences of is actions. He shows great compassion and understanding of others but recognizes that no matter what there is no excuse for laziness, being impolite, behaving badly, and unrulinesses.
I only hope and pray all of this prevails over the strong influences of peer pressure and liberal influences of a lax weak. politically correct teaching environment.

Fatherlessness
During my lifetime, illegitimacy has risen from 4% to 38% and divorce from 10% to 40+%. The outcomes create a society in which many children do not have the influence of fathers. This has occurred in those years in which the deterioration of behavior described above has occurred.
Children in fatherless homes have higher rates of child abuse, school failure, acquisition of psychopathologic diagnoses, teen criminal and sexual acting out, and teen pregnancy.
George Will wrote an article, "Can't Fix Education Until We Fix Families" (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will010702.asp)
describing the futility of most educational efforts against the background of family failure.
With particular reference to male children in fatherless homes, Moynihan wrote, "There is one unmistakable lesson in American history: A community that allows a large number of young men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never acquiring any set of rational expectations about the future — that community asks for and gets chaos... And it is richly deserved."
We have disproportionate educational failure in young males, who now constitute only 40% of graduating college seniors.
Fatherlessness, with its associated social pathologies, is something we have inflicted upon ourselves. Perhaps we should stop supporting, subsidizing, and excusing those things that produce fatherlessness.

In my classroom
I like to have a good time, and I want my students to have a good time by learning a subject that I will present in as compelling a way as I possibly can, with both passion and humor. I embrace sincere dialogue, no matter which way it goes, but any student who engages in disruptive chit-chat is going to suffer some self-esteem damage. Of course, some students hate me; but at the same time, a number of students end up being repeat customers in subsequent classes. Why? As long as I teach, I intend to offer my students substance, nothing more, nothing less.

-Trentamj

inevitable result
Liberals wanted this kind of behavior, and now they have it.

When there are not standards of "proper" behavior, this kind of stuff should be expected.

We glorify hoodlum culture and mock civilized behavior... we should not be shocked with the inevitable result.


Educating Adults
I am a retired computer geek. I successfully developed computer programs for corporations and businesses. Different companies wanted to hire me to teach their employees advanced programming and relational database techniques in the 90's. This became very lucrative for me and a major source of income.

My students were mostly young adults and were very attentive and thirsted for knowledge. Oftentimes someone would take me to lunch or buy my dinner just to ask questions.
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Different government agencies began hiring me and I had a culture shock that I will never forget. The students came and went when they pleased, read newspapers and magazines, slept, talked to each other about anything not related to class instead of listening. They took long breaks whenever they decided and when they went to lunch maybe they would came back.

Long story short, I refused any more contracts with government agencies.

I am not a teacher, tried it once
decades ago, didn't like it then.

But I agree with cornpone Harry. The ONLY WAY to get children interested and cooperative in schools is to expell the *BAD* ones.

Until you can make education a PRIVILEGE, it will be treated like anything else you give them for free = TRASH.

NOT EVERYONE needs or wants an education. Not everyone CAN ACHIEVE an education if you try to give it to them.

And, as for this violence in the schools. All the more reason we should have Concealed Carry Permits. Even high school thugs would behave if they knew that the teacher was armed. And NO ONE would go on a rampage. (If a teacher started to, the others could take him/her out fast enough.)

One just has to ask...
..."What does the Government do well?" to realize that placeing the Government in charge of education has been the downfall of the education system and the triumph of the liberals. Afterall, what is more conducive to socialism than a dumb-down proletariat?

In the meantime....
...,that righteous brutha Al Sharpton is going to "shut down New York" because of a jury verdict he didn't agree with. The brutha wanted a specific verdict regardless of the facts.

Seems like the beloved thug who was sent to his final reward wasn't treated fairly while trying to run over some cops. What's a brutha to do?!

See how this works and see what he's communicating to his sheeple? Sharpton just dug the hole deeper for failing blacks -- and they love it.

"At least while in uniform I could fight


"At least while in uniform I could fight back."

PRICELESS - and quite accurate. I have compared some of my K-12 stories with folk who have come back from Iraq and I honestly believe that the stress (and likely the potential PTSD) of teaching is actually worse than combat *because* you can't fight back.

I am just waiting for the day that a teacher is brought up on charges for placing his face in the way of a child's fist and thus causing the child to become injured. It really is that bad.

Teachers are placed in the impossible situation of having to bribe students to behave. That is all education is at this point - bribing the majority so that the few who really want to learn can learn.

If you care about children or care about education, the last place you want to be is in the classroom....

"At least while in uniform I could fight


"At least while in uniform I could fight back."

PRICELESS - and quite accurate. I have compared some of my K-12 stories with folk who have come back from Iraq and I honestly believe that the stress (and likely the potential PTSD) of teaching is actually worse than combat *because* you can't fight back.

I am just waiting for the day that a teacher is brought up on charges for placing his face in the way of a child's fist and thus causing the child to become injured. It really is that bad.

Teachers are placed in the impossible situation of having to bribe students to behave. That is all education is at this point - bribing the majority so that the few who really want to learn can learn.

If you care about children or care about education, the last place you want to be is in the classroom....

Solution
Destroy socialized education with vouchers. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

Welcome Back, Teach, But Learn Self-Defe
It has been said that we discipline or pets better than we do our kids. I think your article is a living examaple of this. I'm appauled that teachers unions don't strike for greater authority in the classroom. Instead, they set forth every left wing cause known to man.

When I went to school....
Ok, I'll write it. When I went to school, in the 70's and early 80's we didn't have ADD. Dad and Mom simply beat the ADD right out of you. You were taught to pay attention, or adapt to the teacher one way or another. You were taught at home that the teacher as an adult, who deserved your respect, and you were there for the purpose of learning, end of story. If I got in trouble at school, I was A) afraid of the consequences at home (grounding, spanking, extra choirs). B) embarrassing my parents and myself for behaving badly. C) The humiliation of having to apologize publicly to the teacher. D) All of the above.
D is the correct answer. Now every school, is terrified of lawsuits, and the parents believe school is daycare. Our system is upside down. I don't think anyone should be allowed to file a lawsuit, if your kid is a jerk and they get their fanny smacked, since they aren't getting it at home, oh well. If your kid is that out of hand, then parents need to be held accountable, fines, being forced to work at the schools on weekends, I don't care about family hardship, get your house in order. If you want the school to raise your kid, then plan on some discipline from the school, and keep your mouth shut. No free money for you.

no responsibility for the irresponsible?
In a Houston-area school district, the high school doesn't have lockers because they are too often used to hide drugs and/or weapons. Students are not issued textbooks because the books are too often lost or damaged. And the teachers are not "allowed" to assign failing grades to more than a certain percentage of students regardless of the students deservedness.

When we choose to require less responsibility from young people simply because many of them choose to be irresponsible, and then refuse to level real consequences for their continued irresponsibility, then we deserve what we end up with...

schools that resemble prisons, full of kids who look and act like prisoners.

But, it's not their fault, right?

suffice it to say
that the young darling girls who beat up another girl mercilessly on videotape are rightfully being tried as adults.

Strange that even these NON-'at risk' individuals behaved so poorly? Many wealthy families are just as broken as the inner-city poor.

Their kids just have pricier pasttimes.

BillCC...
You are right on the money. Men have ceased to behave like real men, abandoning their God-given responsibilities as husbands and fathers, and forcing women to alone shoulder the burden of breadwinner, homemaker and parent.

Thank you for your post.

Contempt for authority
The problems in the classroom reflect those in society. Though many students do well in school, some are so filled with contempt for authority, rules, and decent behavior that learning becomes a useless interruption of their pursuit to imitate their wanton role models. Their behavior runs the gamut from talking back to punching and cursing the teacher… or worse. So far this year, we have had 3 teachers press charges against students...and I teach in middle school.

I have been teaching for 4 years now (I started in my mid-40s) and I will not be teaching much longer. Bureaucratic nonsense, high stakes testing, disrespectful students, little support from adminstration, and now fear of violence are driving teachers away in droves. Now, some teachers are even being asked to take pay reductions because of budget cuts.

Pandering to ESE students is one of the worst parts of our discipline problems. Our deans are limited in the punishment they can give. We teach those students that their behavior is excused because it is simply a "manifestation" of their label (whatever it may be --ADD ADHD ODD, etc), but the problem is that when they become adults, they will be held to the same standards as the rest of society.

I wish an investigative reporter would investigate the handling of discipline problems in schools--that would be an eye-opening report.

Kari...
what does ESE stand for? (Thanks in advance for the explanation.)

It seems that every school has a different euphemism for 'those' kids.

JD's Handsome Son...
(To borrow a phrase from Glenn Beck)Your last post about the post-prom crime spree makes me feel like blood will shoot out of my eyes!

What kind of alternate reality have we awakened to today?

Learning as entertainment
doesn't help present day students to really do rigorous learning. My daughter is a psychiatrist in charge of teaching medical students about psychiatry. She needs a multi-media dog and pony show in order to grab their attention.

Dr. Debakey, pioneer in
medicine was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal this last week for his devotion and contributions over his lifetime. He is 100 years old and spoke at the ceremony.

He attributed his outlook on life and his success to being reared by parents who taught him the value of education and the value of life, his own as well as others.

His parents took their children to church every Sunday. They spent Sunday afternoons going to the orphanage. Dr. Debakey related a story that he says has guided him all of his life.

It seems on one of those trips to the orphanage his mother had packed his favorite cap in the things she had gathered, washed and mended for the children at the orphanage. He complained to his mother about giving away his cap. She told him that he had a new cap and that the child who would get his cap had no parents to provide a cap. This was the lesson he credits with keeping him on track and guiding him throughout his life.

His parents gave him solid moral values while at the same time teaching him the value of being responsible for his own actions.

No doubt, Dr. Debakey is and always has been smart but would he have accomplished so much if he had been raised a few generations later? Are today's parents raising children who will grow into such outstanding citizens?

Gas costs $3.50 a gallon
Obama says that he will reduce the price by imposing a new tax on the oil companies. These students believe him, and will vote for him.


This is
what happens when a good solid half of the country is steeped in moral relativism.

What needs to happen is parents and teachers need to start suing the families of students who continually disrupt in any way, shape, or manner.

These animals are violating civil rights and the schools should be sued as well since they are complicit.

Unfortunately it is the wallet that will truly get their attention and effect change.

Wonder how long before we have a video of a student killing another student or teacher for sport?

too little too late
my family noticed the bad behaviour and out-of-control kids when we came to this country in 1950...so I was sent to an out-of-state Catholic school to get me away from the hooligans who ran around the streets, at all hours of the night, in NYC. I was too young to make this observation and judgement, but I constantly heard my parents' disbelief at the way kids spoke on the street and responded to their parents...or other elders...or anyone in authority.

I grew up during the time of "Father Knows Best, Donna Reed" and watched with "acceptance" and "comfort" that elders were in charge.

And thankfully, my kids were past the age where they would have been watching the shows that starting spewing that adults were the dummies who needed their children for their utterances of knowledge and wisdom.

I realized then our society was in deep doo-doo.

Seeing what was in store for future generations, I 'prayed' that my children would not produce grandchildren....THANKFULLY, my prayers were answered.

I feel sorry for those that are raising children today.

I am glad I won't be here too much longer.

All I see is a further decay of everything.




ha
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. Psalm 127:3

It is very sad that so many people choose selfishness over the loving sacrifice of really parenting their children well. Children who are raised well are a blessing to their parents and to society; they in turn rear children who become a blessing.

Children raised by self-indulgent parents become a burden to society because they have never known the value of submission to authority or the value of self-government. They do not like having boundaries imposed on them, and they reap the destructive fruit of not self-imposing any boundaries on their own behavior.

It is regrettable to me that you do not know the joy of grandchildren. Yes, these are frightening times we live in, and it will be very difficult for me to raise my little ones in the ways of truth and goodness, but to say that avoiding the challenge would be 'easier' than taking up the challenge is to abandon the opportunity to benefit from one of God's greatest blessings.

Far too many have consigned the raising of their children to an ideologically corrupt school system, and they (we) will suffer for it in this life, and answer for it in the next. For your sake, I am glad your parents had the courage to keep you from the decay in public school as best they could.

my husband
Goes to the college where Mary teaches. It is a community college, and many of the people there either couldn't get in anywhere else but are trying hard to get a college education anyway...others can't afford to go anywhere else; it's a bargain at less than $1500 a semester). I don't think a community college can really be used to make a statement about college students in general.

Also, many students are there because they have to work to support themselves or their families. Yes, my husband is taking school seriously, but sometimes he is late to class because he needed to hold the collicky newborn while I got the sick toddler to bed, or had to finish up a deliveraqble for a client.

Fortunately, there are many professors at the college who have more respect for their students than Grabar; my husband will DEFINITELY not be taking any of her classes, considering how much she disdains her own students. Maybe her students don't respect her because she doesn't respect them.

Also, I have to wonder how she teaches such a 'fact-base' course, considering that she's an English teacher. Sorry, but English is a field riddled with opinions and subjective information, she should know that.

I have to say...
that it's kind of funny that in a column talking about how lazy and foolish students are these days, Grabar misspells the name of a candidate for president.

American Mom
You are very, very wrong to place the entire culpability for fatherlessness on men. With your broad vitriolic brush you demonize half the population, while painting the other half as victims.

I retired from public ed partly
because my "honors" students--and they were smart young persons--had long ago given up trying to achieve anything like excellence, as everyone gave them an A anyway, except me.

But I have bragged for years that my college teaching is real classroom work: kids want to be there, they have to behave themselves, and I do not have to worry some supervisor or assistant principal will put a red mark on my grades if there are not the number of A's they have imagained in some fantaasy of student product at the end of a quarter or because I have a few D's and F's.

Yet, this closing semester at my college has produced two young ladies who have challenged my authoritiy as to my record keeping and their grades. One claims she has been in attendance in classes she has not and another wants to claim she turned in work she did not. You didn't turn it back, she tells me. I will give them whatever grades they average, and if they are D's and F's, they will not achieve course credit, and my dean will not hassle me about these grades, and I will not be having parent conferences that I would face in a pub. high school. Yet, I am distressed and insulted by this behavior.

The truth is, as pub. ed. disintegrates under the great weight to be the engine of social change--announced by the NEA pres. in 1972--scholarship, attention to detail, being meticulous, mastering subjects, producing really outstanding work, and actually achieving grades and awards for real accomplishments also disintegrate and are replaced by drugs, sex, indifference, and material greed. Tom Wolf's vacuous surfer-blond teenagers of 60s CA are now the standard brand in classrooms everywhere.

As long as secular liberals are running the show, the worse it will get.

regrets
yes, of course I regret not being able to see progeny of my own occupy a piece of this beautiful earth...and to teach them to truly enjoy all that God put before us....

but I am currently "supporting" the children of all those who bring more upon this earth than they can manage and provide for...and watch with sadness and horror their total lack of joy and understanding of their "gift" as they further corrupt the "fruit."

My children were a total blessing to me and I fully enjoyed their youth and taught them to love and respect all that walks upon this earth.

Life is a gift, to be treasured. All I see is abuse.

Excellent piece
This woman is on a roll, great article.

English is not a field
riddled with so much opinion no one can base anything in the subject on facts.

Where would such an idea arise?

Zerubbabel
Perhaps I have neglected the flip side:

Legions of 'liberated' women who scorn the value of a husband/father, so much so that they believe they can do it all and have it all without their male counterparts.

Add to that the void left when homemakers, instead of applying themselves to the indispensable task of making home a place of sanctuary and stability for husband and children, left in droves for 'fulfillment' in the paycheck-paying workforce.

Children have become undervalued, if valued at all. And the men and women who conceive them are themselves merely children playing at being grown-ups, and have summarily decided that what they want is more important than what their children need.

I went to community college
I started at a community college and I am now at a 4 year HBCU, and I have to say the attitude at the community college was way better than what I see at my university. One of the reasons was because the instructors and professors at the community college did not care about the self esteem of the students; they were there to teach, and nothing wasc going to stand in the way of that. I remember the first full day of psychology class, I got to class 2 minutes late after getting caught in the campus bookstore buying the textbook, and found myself locked out of class. Needless to say, I was never late for the class again! But all of the instuctors there had a well defined attendence policy, and it was adhered to. If you missed more than 5 days in the semester you were dropped, and after a set number of tardies you were counted absent for the class, whether you showed up or not. That let the students know that they were not going to set the rules, so all other rules were followed as well. Sort of an academic version of the "Broken Windows" theory Rudy used in NYC...take care of the little things and people will know that you care about the big things as well.

At the university, we have kids walking into and out of classes as they see fit, with hardly a word from the professors. That upsets me, as it is interfering with my learning and I am paying tuition just like everyone else. But that is what happens when you have professors being told to treat students like customers...and we all know the old saw in business "the customer's always right!"

Dear American Mom
Er, uh, that’s not exactly what I said.
Men certainly have contributed to fatherlessness. But let’s also mention the contributions of women.
Illegitimate births far exceed 1 million per year in the US. Pregnancies from sexual assault number 20,000; even if all were carried, this would be a tiny fraction. 75% of out-of-wedlock children are born at a time their parents are still an “item”, yet only 20% of the biologic parents subsequently marry.
Certainly men are involved; but why are American women engaging in consensual unprotected intercourse with men to whom they are not married and are unlikely to ever marry? Certainly “American Mom” has heard, and possibly used, the “…get the milk for free” argument for female sexual discretion.
Women file approximately 70% of divorces. Most are truly “no-fault” (“We grew apart”) with abuse, infidelity, and etc. far behind. 50% of the children of divorce will never see their fathers again; many of the rest only sporadically. Much of this due to failure of family law to recognize and protect the father-child relationship (this is improving with presumptive joint custody laws and restrictions on moving domicile).
But even in-house fathers have difficulty with changing social expectations. As Blankenhorn pointed out (Fatherless America), we seem to be better at describing what we don’t want modern fathers to be (assertive, authoritarian, or God forbid “patriarchal”, whatever that is) than what we do want. At best, an ethereal psychobabblicious “being there”. Whatever that means.
Worse, of course, for stepdads. Instead of just “shut up, pay the bills, support my decisions under penalty of no-fault divorce (see above)”, he also gets “and mind your own goddam business with regard to the discipline of my kids”.
Fatherhood cannot survive in a vacuum of legitimacy. Small wonder that young men today, especially those who lost their own fathers to divorce, are increasingly avoiding the altar.

Dear American Mom 2
I see that as I was posting you wrote a "flip side" note that more reasonably distributes causation.
Thanks for your fairness.

Zerub...
What about my post do you think doesn't jive with yours? You relate to me as if you disagree, but from what I read, we are in agreement.

Men and women are both to blame, and it is the children who suffer. The school systems will never fix the problem with students who behave like animals, b/c they can't fix the 'broken' families that produce them.

Women have thrown off the supposedly antiquated idea of manly men for their own illusion of independence to find themselves exhausted as slaves to their paycheck work, alienated from and resented by their kids, and alone in a cold bed at night.

Men have bought into the idea that their wives/girlfriends ought to 'pull their weight' financially instead of being at home to be mothers, homemakers, and helpmeets. They think that traditional stay-at-home mothers/wives are just sponging off their weak men.

I, for one, know that I could not earn a sufficient paycheck AND be the mother/homemaker that I ought to be if I had to do both. My husband's ability and willingness to be breadwinner, and my commitment to homemaking/mothering/marriage work together quite nicely.

Not sure why you seem hostile to what I've written, but as I said before, from what I've read, we really do agree.

Zerub...
And as I was responding to clarify my stance, you posted your thanks. (Wish I knew why it takes so long for the posts to actually "post".)

whoops... BillCC and Zerub...
got you two mixed up. Sorry 'bout that. I appreciate both of your posts.
Thank you.

To everyone
Today kicks off the countdown to May 1st, Holocaust Remembrance Day, at Fountain Abbey.

Stop by my blog: fountainabbey@blogtownhall.com (or just click on my name to go there)

Every day I will have a different blog entry about the Holocaust.

Feel free to send them to anyone and everything, especially those who are skeptics. I have provided links to websites with tons of pictures taken of the concentration camps and all the atrocities therein, that you can send to other people to help them lose their skepticism that the Holocaust happened.

Stop by the Abbey when you get a chance!

Curtal Friar

My Gradsons teachers are shocked
by the fact that my son keeps daily track of our 15 year old Demi-God! We didn't get him until he was 12 and had to homeschool him for 2 years. We get a daily report from each of his teachers and keep in close contact with them, as we are working on self-control and problem solving. He simply does not know how to re-act to tough situations. We have to punish him for bad behavior and give him alternate ways to handle his problems.

It is HARD work, and takes a lot of time and effort.

EDUCATION!
Education classes have to be dropped, they are fueling this behavior, and many professors argue it is the teacher's fault. B.S.!

Administration has to stop coddling misbehaving students. At least I have some support in Vegas, zero support in California. A teacher was called a "f@#$king b@#$ch!" during class, and the vice-principal asked "What did you, the teacher, do to provoke the child."

I teach at grade level, give closed book, no note tests, and seldom show films. Once student totally disrupted class whining "You don't show any movies, Mr. X does!" She ended up with a behavior essay (not allowed in California), not done! A one hour detention. Now show. The dean nailed her:-)


Simple
liberalism = stupidity

Thoughtful posts here--
On this thread I have read many thoughtful posts due to experiences that many on this thread have had with the education process.

My wife and I were fortunate to have taught some time in schools that were progressive and believed in strict discipline for awhile. Then as rules changed to the "esteem" factor and the discipline rules were watered down, the teachers could no longer count on the administrators to support them much because they "seemed to be afraid of the "whiners". The students who wanted to learn were frustrated and many parents were also. Some who could afford it sent their kids to private school or home school. We always had excellent evaluations but decided that it was not going to get any better. Besides that, we were working for our family holdings and the taxes we were paying were almost counterproductive.

We went to work for our family holdings and never looked back. Some of my former colleagues have told me that they have secretly wished that one day "enough teachers would become so fed up with the bad systems, that they could and would quit in mass numbers". That would get the attention of the "know it all liberal establishment". I don't know the answers myself.

To those who do teach, we wish you well and safety for you and yours. Plus we are glad to be able to pay our school taxes to help the good and solid teachers out there.

To add, I was a science teacher, so my wife is always correcting my grammar etc. But not today.

Schools + Church + Liberals
We all know where our children went wrong, when the liberals and liberal judges said we could no longer use God in public places. The very fabric of this country was taken away and people gave up trying to control their children or bring them up in a christain way.

So many Democrats have turned liberal and we elected them to control Congress, therefore, when President Bush tried to place conservative judges on the bench, they were not approved. It is time we get the liberal Democrats out and put someone in with a love of county, they may not be perfect, but they are far better then what we have now.
Joy of Iowa

I'm a substitute teacher
in a small Midwestern city. If you think students are disrespectful of their regular teachers, try being a sub.

On the positive side, the principal of the public high school is a former military man and he has the full support of the school board in maintaining discipline in the high school. The middle school principal, on the other hand, tries to be each student's buddy and regularly overturns teacher-issued detentions. As the freshmen enter high school, there is about a month of "culture shock" as they learn that they can no longer get away with what they had done in middle school. The faculty of the private schools in town are very supportive of subs as well.

Yet, even in these relatively benign conditions, I have been physically attacked (by a kindergartner, no less, who also took a bite out of the principal's ear when he removed the boy from the classroom),mocked, insulted and ignored.

My niece and a close friend who sub in a large city system have faced physical attacks, verbal abuse and vandalism of their vehicles. My niece says that if all she is expected to do is to babysit teenagers, then she she should get a baby-sitter's wages (that would be $5.00 per hour per student)

Just one more reason...
...that we decided to educate our children at home. The twisted ideas promulgated by school administrations, combined with the trash who comprise too large a percentage of students in government schools, lead me to believing that home education should be the norm rather than the exception. In any event, it worked well for our children who, as adults, have excelled at every turn.

Great article about a lost cause.
Truer words were never spoken, Mary. I taught for five years after retiring from the Marines. I left because it became apparent that teaching was a lost cause. The kids simply don't care. If you try to put any rigor or standards into the curriculum, they fight you every step of the way. So do the parents and the administration. However, I don't think schools are broken. On the contrary, I think they are doing exactly what they were always intended to do - put the children under the control of the state at early age and properly indoctrinate them. That's what Horace Mann had in mind 150 years ago when he pioneered compulsory public education based on the system used in Prussia. The leftist progressive vision for this country requires an electorate of needy, pliable, unthinking morons who rely on the state for everything. That's exactly what they're getting.

Education
Most of the current difficulties and problems associated with education in our republic can be attributed to "one size fits all" MANDATORY PUBLIC EDUCATION. How about ending the mandatory part and letting individuals decide what type of education, if any, they would like to attain and pay for? Are we not supposed to be living in a free society and a free nation? Where's the choice in making education mandatory? Where's the individual responsibility? What if religion was mandatory and there was only one choice to of churches to attend?
Education is a personal matter, not a state matter. Life, liberty and the pursuit of property/happiness! Why do some people not understand these basic tenets of human freedom?
Horace Mann be damned! Return the republic the founders established and rid us of the progressives, socialists and liberals that wish to control everyone and everything!

School Failures
When my sons attended school in the seventies and eighties,the breakdown was just beginning.The Feds started meddling and the rest is history.

We had busing in our area,that is, take three grades from a predominately white school and bus them to a predominately black school,several miles away from the neighborhood school.Bring three grades from that school to the white school.Back and forth every day.

The Federal Judge who started that horrific swap has only this month,decided to rescind that judgement.Twenty five years later.What a waste,just to satisfy some liberal judge,who no doubt had his children in a private school,if he had school-age children,at all.

The schools are social experiments,where children are taught watered down history,social studies and mostly,progressive thought.We do have some good schools in our area,most of which are charter schools,where they demand more in attendance and academics.

Ignoble SAvages
I had a similar experience many years ago. I was invited to address a high school Civics class. When I appeared, the teacher loudly told "any of you who are not interested in what Mr. ____ has to say just put your heads down and sleep." Had I wished to embarrass the teacher I would have just left and reported to Administration that she had totally lost control of her room but I thought there might be some who were interested in my subject (criminal law).
Sadly, this is not a 21st-century phenomenon. I am glad that someone has finally brought to the National public. Maybe it will generate serious discussion about doing everything "for the children." I am tired of pandering to the unsavable!

Dr Spock!
Dr Spock wrote a book on proper parenting! I even attended a seminar while in the Army.

Some of the things he espoused was building the child's esteem through praise - whether earned or not.

No child should ever be corrected or punished for making a "bad" decision or doing something wrong because it was all part of the child's learning cycle.

The child has as much "right of ownership" of the family income and an "equal" decision on how the money is to be spent.

THAT is when I stood up, said, "This is the most assinine theory I have ever heard", and walked out.

Too many peoploe bought into Dr Spock's theories, and now we have an educational system that can't see the forest for the trees.

holocaust?
to Curtal Friar....don't get it....what is the point of your post here? but while you were at it, why not mention that Albania was the only country (as a whole) that didn't give up their jewish citizentry...

and then why not mention the Ukrainian Holocaust while you're in the mode especially since there's no 'remembrance' day for them.

Education article
It is interesting to hear the comments of so many people who agree that schools today are "oppressed" by discipline problems. I am a teacher in an elementary school, and every day I deal with students who do not want to be at school. They bring magazines to read about the latest teen sensation or the coolest skateboards. They come in to class and ignore their morning assignments. They do not turn in homework. At the end of the semester they wonder why their grades are so low! Their parents ask the same questions! "What can my child do to make up these grades?" "What can I do to help my child?" It would be great to tell them' "Teach them responsibility! Teach them how to respect their teachers! Teach them that learning is a privilege! Teach them that YOU are the parent, THEY are the child, and that YOU are in charge!" It is very frustrating as a teacher to deal with this new movement of "differentiation"- teach to the student based on HOW they learn. Now we have to come up with multiple ways to teach the children just to make sure they learn! All this while being expected to raise other people's children, teach them responsibility, how to be healthy, and how to behave. It is all too much, and nothing is being done to correct the problems. America is trying to put a band-aid over our hemophiliac system of education, and until parents start instilling proper behavior in their children and the government stops trying to give us a one-size fits all program, education will continue to go down hill. I hope I can survive it!

SNAFU
You have a very appropiate screen name for this topic. Situation Normal,All ......Up! I live in Ohio and if my kid came home and had cut up or caused trouble she would be SO sorry. Late? Never!











You're right, Mrs. Grabar
I'm in my seventh year of teaching as a second career. I'm at a well run school with a diverse student body.

The key seems to be the philosophy of the administration. If they are old school, like mine, they back the teachers and maintain order. If they are spineless the teachers learn not to try to enforce the rules. Doing so is only an exercise in frustration.

Yes, some of the kids are very rude, but I call them on it from the beginning. If poor behavior choices result in poor self esteem that doesn't seem like a bad thing. If they want respect they earn it, and receive it. It works, if the environment allows a teacher to operate that way.

Wouldn't work in an inner city school for a million dollars. I had a friend who did and he was constantly told by parents and the principal that the students' poor behavior was due to his being a racist. He studied for six years to earn a masters in education and lasted for one year in the classroom.

Panic button in every classroom and
police in every hallway.

I subbed at a school with that. After getting pinned up against the wall once, I never left arms reach in a mandatory minimum requirement or easy elective class again.

The students would steal things from you. They would threaten you, and beat each other up. The worst time was always around lunch time, because the police were much slower (since they all had to be in the cafeteria to try to keep the arson to a minimum). We wonder why minority children aren't doing well?

As a sub, working every school day, my take home was about $600 in November and $300 in December ($64/day before taxes, no benefits, and I was required to contribute 15% of my gross to a pension plan). I couldn't afford to rent a room or repair my vehicle.

On the plus side, now I make over 2x what most fulltime teachers do, and don't have to worry about my safety.

For a more in-depth look at this problem
... I suggest Diana West's "Death of the Grown-Up".

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Death-of-the-Grown-Up/ Diana-West/e/9780312340483/?itm=1

- MuscleDaddy
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