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Thursday, May 28, 2009
Marvin Olasky :: Townhall.com Columnist
Dying Dinosaurs
by Marvin Olasky
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Yes, it is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. But is it better to read deeply biased news than not to read a newspaper at all? Or is a little knowledge exceedingly dangerous within a democracy?

Liberals are mourning newspaper demise, as well they should. Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times offers a typical moan: "When we go online, each of us is our own editor, our own gatekeeper. We select the kind of news and opinions that we care most about. Nicholas Negroponte of M.I.T. has called this emerging news product The Daily Me. And if that's the trend, God save us from ourselves."

Hmm—The New York Times finally admits that we need salvation. The Times certainly does. It recently mortgaged its Manhattan headquarters, borrowed $250 million from a Mexican billionaire at 14 percent interest, cut salaries by 5 percent—and still had to lay off 100 newsroom staffers. Now it's talking about shutting down a newspaper it bought 16 years ago, the venerable Boston Globe.

I grew up reading the Globe and later worked on it and on an Oregon newspaper, so newspaper death does not delight me. And yet, I wonder: True, we miss out if we read only The Daily Me, but the good old days of reading only The Daily Liberal were not so good. I don't believe that America will be worse off with fewer breakfasts of propaganda on newsprint, over easy.

Desperate liberals are proposing solutions. One is that newspapers become nonprofit organizations and readers contribute to them. The dinosaur maintenance funds will appeal to sentimentality, as do the contribution-seekers at big secular universities: Both sets of fundraisers want us to ignore the ideological poison spewed out in contemporary columns and classrooms. But mega-newspapers will be harder pressed to garner funds than mega-universities are, because they don't have football teams that lock in loyalty.

Others propose that liberal foundations endow newspapers: $5 billion for The New York Times, $3 billon for The Washington Post. That's fine too, although foundation officers will be wise to wonder about the efficiency of daily newspaper distribution. In recent years the typical subscriber has thrown away a pound of newspaper on most days and three pounds on Sunday, after chomping on only a few ounces. The obvious question: Why continue cutting down trees and expending gasoline when delivery of the news via computer is so much more efficient?

Maybe left-leaning readers and foundations will rush in where wise advertisers are increasingly reluctant to tread, but I'm not sure—these folks may be wrong but they're not stupid. Some are now advocating government bailouts of dying newspapers, often via artfully created rescues such as special tax treatments and preferences. Some are arguing that the nation will be imperiled by an information deficit that will endanger us more than budget deficits. That's unlikely: News of importance, like mosquitoes facing bed nets, will find a way to get through.

So, let's be frank about motivation: Many liberal journalists are concerned not so much about newspapers in general but about saving their jobs. Even with endowments and contributions, many of those jobs in their present form will disappear. News distribution via computer is so much cheaper that even an endowed New York Times would not last all that long in paper form. Goodbye, survival of the fattest.

Newspapers can thrive on the web if they find a way to monetize the content that competition now forces them to give away almost for nothing. That's why the great technological hope, the new Kindle DX that debuted early in May, excites some journalists. Kindle is a thin, flat device for reading electronic books; Kindle DX has a larger screen suitable for displaying newspaper content. Some newspapers that went online for free will now try to put the genie back in the bottle by selling their content only to electronic subscribers.

That will be hard—and in any event the deeper questions concern worldviews. Here lie enormous opportunities for Christians. Two decades ago we needed tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to compete. Now, almost any person reading this can become an editor/publisher this very day. Access is easy, but talent and commitment are rare. Do we have enough?

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Marvin Olasky is editor-in-chief of the national news magazine World, provost of The King's College, and a professor of journalism at The University of Texas at Austin. For additional commentary by Marvin Olasky, visit www.worldmag.com.
 
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Media's slow death.
The Main Steam Media shot itself in the foot. It has dealt so long on the liberal side that many have discovered this and are refusing to buy the drivel. There is no doubt if you value the Constitution and its precepts, you can see the usurption of it in print and from the politicians who feed the media with their left wing ideas.
The Internet has been one of the best eye openers up to now and people are using it. There are many blogs and websites that you can look at and get the rest of the story that the MSM will not report. NBC, CBS, AND ABC are a joke and they are controlled by liberals who spout their agendas.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure them out when you know the truth is out there. As Jack Nicholson said to Tom Cruise in "A Few Good Men", "you can't handle the truth" and the libs and their media don't know how to handle the truth. Or should I say "Mishandle"

Marvin ....
not to worry. I am not a gambler but would easily bet that the Lord Obama will bail out American Pravda, even as he takes whatever measure 'He the Annoited One' must command to shut down Talk Radio and sites such as TH. And who is going to stop him?
Got to give the worm credit ... he's got our number.

THE DEMISE of BIASED NEWS MEDIA!
Whenever one of these dinosaur newspaper editors begin printing the current events in a newspaper that is unbiased...I MEAN UNBIASED!

The newspaper DOES NOT NEED be FAIR and BALANCED!

ONLY the TRUTH and NOTHING but the TRUTH about everything that needs to be in the newspaper...PERIOD!!!!

This particular newspaper publisher, editors, investigative reporters and journalists will be overwhelmed with subscription requests and as guest speakers everywhere!! TRUST ME! BS DOES NOT SELL!!!!!!!

AMERICA RECOGNISES that TRUTH is easy and simple to print...hence the print media demise!

lilly
i have read enough of your posts to know you are a thoroughly indoctrinated useful idiot, but even you is capable of exceptional stupidity at times. conservative papers? where u gonna get one of those? even the so called conservative papers are full of liberal bias. i quit subscribing to the Ark dem-gazette already, but recently wasted my time reading an issue. again, on the editorial page, was the recurring editorial use of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

The Daily Leftist?
The blogosphere may promote "The Daily Me," however what have the large dailies become? The daily press release of the Democrat Party and every Leftist organization in the World? Sorry, but journalism at the big papers died a long time ago. The electronic media is just burying the body.

edgycater.blogspot.com

Non entity...



I quit watching TV back in the late 1960s.

All I saw was lies and propaganda.

I kept the local newspaper for the obituaries, comics and crossword puzzles.

4 or 5 comics amuse me. The rest are trash.

To find out what is going on in the World, I use the internet.



Oops
In my previous post, I meant to write, "Keillor USED to be something like the Fred Rogers of NPR."

lilly
Sorry to hear of your husbands illness. Of course you need to continue your subscriptions if they help him pass the day.

I disagree that we need to "subscribe" to conservative newspapers. I enjoy tracking down the stories on the internet and like you there are a lot more things that bother me than just the liberal slant.

Don't Tread on Me
Hey, thanks for the compliment.

I used to enjoy _PHC_ now and then, mainly for the music. Keillor sued to be something like the Fred Rogers of NPR -- easygoing, low-key, tolerant even of Swedish whistling. Now he's just another leftist blowhard who exudes contempt for the companies that sponsor him, the taxpayers who support NPR at gunpoint, and the tens of millions of compatriots who disagree with him. His syndicated column is even worse.

I think you're onto something with the NEA. Wealthy leftists could support such things if they wished. But half the fun of compulsory subsidies is forcing one's enemies to pay for things that don't benefit them or that they find abhorrent.

I agree with Justin
Journalists are supposed to report the news. But now they are taught at least in some schools that their responsibility is to "mold public opinion". And it doesn't matter how they do it. Lies are acceptable. A cousin of my wife went to University of Chicago and is now an editor. His professor told his class the above statement.

I think journalists should stick to reporting just the facts and let the readers make up their own minds. But on reading the local paper, half the time they don't even get the facts. Most of the stories report only one or two things and leave you guessing.

It's the bias that is killing papers
Papers are dying because the liberal bias has undermined the papers. Newspapers were read because you could rely on them at one time to simply report. Now every paper has an agenda and you can't believe their stories. Once that happens then they lose their advantage over the 'Net. While the internet was once thought to be inferior, when newspapers weren't any better (and when TV news all became tabloids) people began to turn to alternative news sources.

My 22-year-old daughter has her laptop on her lap all the time after dinner - just like my Dad once always had the paper there.

Democracy
Hey! I think that these newspapers should go belly-up, but I have to correct the writer this country is a Republic, not a Democracy.

It's too bad that we can't stop sending our money to the government, as we can stop buying the rags' they call newspapers.

NJPatriot
I never could get into "A Prairie Home Companion," anyway. Keillor's droning voice is a turnoff for me anyway. "Wobegon," indeed! The programming I mainly still listen to is "Echoes," "Pipe Dreams," and sometimes "Radio Reader." Only the latter really lends itself to political commentary, & that thru the books selected to read on-air. I doubt I'd have much problem with any statement one could make with a pipe organ in a cathedral. ;)

Remember in the 1990's when the National Endowment for the Arts was funding crucifix-in-urine "art" and the Repubs (when they pretended to have a backbone) started a push just to do away w/ the NEA. (The other NEA can
go, too!) IIRC a bunch of mainly Hollywood & big media lefties got together & pooled more than enough $$$ to simply PAY the NEA's budget - but it was NOT to support the NEA themselves, but to lobby for keeping the NEA & blunting Congressional oversight of it. They absolutely did not want to privatize the NEA; the idea was that Unc Sammie should support smut & leftist propaganda w/ $$$ confiscated from taxpayers who oppose it. It's their in-your-face flip-off to the rubes in flyover country.

Best way to fix the newspapers
Demand all journalism schools immediately fail anyone that expresses a desire to change the world. It isn't the job of a journalist to change the world, it's the job of the journalist to be a passive observer. Journalists are supposed to be faceless and unknown to history. Going into it for fame and recognition only invalidates the profession.

mij61
FOX News has more viewers than the other news stations combined. They're not failing. Main reason, it's entertaining to watch them. Their mid-morning through mid-afternoon news crew is personable, talk to the viewer like they're not morons and have better presentation. CNN, on the other hand, is very condescending to the viewer, which is why they're losing ratings.

I don't see it as a liberal vs conservative thing, I see it as presentation. Left leaning news tends to be very dry and preachy. People don't like being lectured to, which is what leftists do. People like being talked to, like it is part of a conversation.

Furthermore, "reporters" pretend to be experts on whatever story they happen to be reporting on at the time. No, you're not an expert, your job is to simply tell us what is happening, not explain motives behind it or pretend you're a master of the subtleties of international relations. Your degree is in journalism, not medicine, politics, economics, or anything else but how to write out what is happening in a very specific format.

Newspapers in general have a problem with mixing news with editorials. Papers like the WSJ still have a good division between the two and it is very apparent. Newspapers need to report the news. Even better, they should take up the model used in Turkey, actual news on the left side, balanced editorials of the left side news on the right side on each page. That way, news is reported and then you get a separate opinion of it all.

Freedom of the press
If the NY Slimes et. al. get gov't bailouts, how can anyone claim that we have a "free press?" It should be obvious that when you accept gov't money, the gov't becomes boss. Just ask the banks and the auto companies.

There is a huge difference between the Slimes and other rags feeding us endless leftist propaganda because they choose to do so, and the gov't telling them they must do so. In the latter situation, there is no "free press" at all.

Call Them On The Carpet
I'm fortunate to live in a conservative-leaning city. Our newspaper regularly publishes both points of view; however, since most sources are liberal we get a lot of left-leaning articles printed here. I love to read the opinion section because there are many who write in their own rebuttals or opinions and the majority are conservative. I, myslef, do not hesitate to email or phone my newspaper to express concern if an article is too liberally biased. It helps to keep them honest.

electronic much better
Since the advent of news on the computer, I for one have done much more news reading than I ever did in the previous fifty or so years. Not only is the choice between liberal bias and conservative bias available, but it is obvious that there are more everyday folks adding their own input, something that was lacking in print media. Just from looking at the responses to any column here on TH, and comparing same to the letters to the editor page of a printed newspaper, it would seem obvious that the common man's opinion is of more value in electronic media.

I truly believe that news via the computer is the best thing that has ever happened to inform the American public, and quite possibly the public the world around.

Good ridince to the NYT and Boston Globe and any other newspaper that cannot keep its liberal head above water. It's not just liberal papers that are dying, however. The Denver Rocky Mountain News, one of my favorite papers until it merged with the liberal Denver Post, has also gone the way of the dinosaurs.

Rest in piece.

Misinformation
Newspapers have done their share of misinforming to the point that someone would ask if a little knowledge is exceedingly dangerous within a democracy?

Our founders had learned from the Greeks, rejected de-mob-ocracy, and mandated a constitutional republic in Article 4, Section 4. Left wingers who support the erroneous concept of our "wonderful" democracy reaped what they sowed when one mob got enough votes to say to homosexuals in California, "We won, so everyone march in lockstep with our vision of America."

Republics protect the rights of minorities; de-mob-ocracies do not, and both the left and right wings of Control Freaks Unanimous suffer the consequences.

Lily, David Brooks a conservative???
I would hardly call David Brooks a conservative. He is more of a moderate who leans to the left, which makes him a conserviative in the NYT world. The NYT (and the rest of the liberal media) spent the last eight years doing everything they could to undermine the Bush administration, sometimes doing things that bordered on treasonous behavior. People saw through their agenda and did not want to read their garbage any more. Our local paper also leans to the left as they almost always support bigger government and higher taxes. They do occasionally put Charles Krauthammer or Jonah Goldberg columns in the paper to at least give a whisper to the other side, but in general they are lefties. I stopped taking our local paper because they started to deliver in the morning after being an afternoon paper and the paper came after I left for work in the morning, making the paper nothing more than a mess on my living room floor. I can get their content on line for without a subscription, when I want it. If they start to charge for their website, I will go elsewhere for my local news as there are many sites with the same information.

The Daily Because We Said So
"the Daily Me isn't likely to be worse than The Daily Because We Said So." Bravo, Paleocon!

It's not just the big-city dailies afflicted w/ this. AP is notorious for being slanted so far left the papers run crooked in the presses. Most mid-size city dailies are owned by chains that basically regurgitate NYT/WaPo/TV network/wire-svc takes on everything.

Take recent examples from a certain SC daily:

Green fascists from Jimmy Hansen on down protest a proposed new coal-fired power plant (admittedly apart from the CO2 myth they make some valid points). They're treated like concerned, justified speakers of truth to power.
The 'Tea Party': the headline read that the attendees & supporters "vent"ed! You never see leftists demonstrating for leftist causes said to be "vent"ing, o no, they're raising our consciousness about the evil our undertaxed underregulated lifestyle causes! This paper evangelized thru the 1990's for gun restrictions & now characterizes the local school choice movement as being all about one moderately wealthy guy who happens to be a major supporter of the movement. There's your objectivity. They just pink-slipped a bunch of staff, but the bias doesn't seem to have left with them.

21st Century Irony

Journalists who set out to save the world found they could not save their own jobs.

Watch out . . .
the left would like nothing better than to TRY to "control" the internet. Let's face it, the internet is the "go to" place for any type of information. No longer are we constrained by those who not only (try to) tell us WHAT to think but HOW to think. The main stream media states that information gained through the internet cannot be trusted; there are many points of view. It is up to each individual to DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES what is factual and what is not.
The internet is the great democratizer of information. Anyone with a few dollars can set up their own web site. No longer are the "anointed journalists" the sole purveyors of "news and information".
If the "government" wants to control it, WATCH OUT.

Advertising
I buy the Sunday edition for the coupons. If I can save more than $.175, then I am above break even. Now and again I see an article worth reading. I only wish my old dog was still alive, since it would give me something useful to do with the annointed couples photographs. I used them for cleaning up accidents.

DON'T TREAD ON ME @9:44
I used to enjoy A Prairie Home Companion. I became a listener in 1984 but over the last several years, it has become nothing but a liberal rant by Garrison. It's May and he is still complaining about Bush and extolling Obama. I can 't listen to it anymore. Who knew that Norwegian bachelor farmers were just unbathed bucolic queers. NPR could shut down today. I wouldn 't miss their background local peoples voices during a report for one nano second

Grubby
"The LA Times is failing badly in LA - headed for bankruptcy. I saw their reps practically trying to give the paper away in a grocery store merely to get a signature on a subscription - and there were no takers."

HA! That's a pleasant mental picture. Thank you.

Here's another one: a pledge drive for National Public Newspapers.

Gregdn
After last weeks vote overwhelmingly rejecting Ahnold's quick fix tax increase scam, the LA Times ran a snarky headline, stating in effect, 'voters exercise their power - and that's the problem'.

It took the same view on Prop 8.

To the mainstream scribblers, elitist Liberal Fascism isn't the problem - it's those pesky citizens who don't like having it force fed to them.

But they have the solution - make them pay to have it forced on them via gov't mandate, and bailouts - government controlled propaganda.

The Vokischer Beobacter, Hitler's NAZI party rag, was forced on the Germans during the Third Reich. Even the German citizenry figured out that the sheet was filled with lies and bilious non-sense but they read it but only in public - so as to display, to authority figures and rat fink neighbors, that they had the right political attitudes.

Could one of the few reasons left that LA citizens are even seen with an LA Times be for the same purposes?

The LA Times is failing badly in LA - headed for bankruptcy. I saw their reps practically trying to give the paper away in a grocery store merely to get a signature on a subscription - and there were no takers.

Renny
"The real killer of papers and what's happening at the LA Times, NYSlimes, Wash. Post, Detroit Free Press, etc. is with declining readership, they can't charge self-supporting ad rates."

Exactly right. Most newspapers, large and small, dismissed subscriber support ages ago -- one imagines because advertisers are fewer, wealthier, and apparently easier to manage. Over the years I've heard several different industry savants explain that the ideal is -- or was -- to make newspapers free, or nearly so, and let advertisers bear all the costs.

This approach is similar to that of retailers who favored upscale urban and suburban customers over people of modest means in flyover country. (Wal-Mart blew many of these companies away by courting the very people they had scanted.) When newspapers adopted it, readers stopped being customers and became the product.

The industry has been spiraling down ever since. Declining readership mandates more ads, smaller staff, smaller pages, fewer pages, higher subscription prices, or higher advertising rates. The first five responses accelerate reader defection. The last accelerates advertiser defection. As one might've expected, transplanting this model to the Internet hasn't produced a bonanza.

Extinction-level events are frightening to some and annoying to many, but there are reasons for hope in this one. The rapid extinction of the dinorags may mark a downturn in unthinking brand loyalty. It strongly suggests that public demand for reliable news, plausible analysis, and sane opinion is growing, and any publication unable or unwilling to meet that demand is doomed. In any case, the Daily Me isn't likely to be worse than The Daily Because We Said So.





The real killer of papers
and what's happening at the LA Times, NYSlimes, Wash. Post, Detroit Free Press, etc. is with declining readership, they can't charge self-supporting ad rates.

Papers may be full of what some posters think are useless ads, but they aren't well paying enough ads to support the paper. Papers don't earn income on sub.'s. They make money from advertising.

When circ. drops, so do ad prices. And the complaint that they are being done in by the net is likely specious. Many more papers are printed and sold ind. than those who own computers or use those computers for *news.*

Look at TH, a really hot column gets maybe 500 blogs tops. That is surely not destroying newspapers. Papers are destroying themselves through a chronic lib. mantra that people don't want to listen to on Air Am. or be propagandized by any more on their doorsteps.

Chicxulub
If Lilly has found a newspaper that's only 50 percent ads, she's fortunate, after a fashion. The average is much higher. There's no print equivalent of TiVo. Many readers have given up on clearing away mounds of lap cards and other inserts or following misleading jumplines through reams of advertising to find the ever-sparser content in a dinosaur paper. Much of that content isn't worth finding. It's biased, condescending, partisan, inconsequential, formulaic, amateurish, or incoherent.

The dinosaur papers' business model is also incoherent: (1) lean heavily on advertising, alienating readers; (2) treat readers with disdain, alienating them further; (3) crusade against the evils of America, capitalism in general, and big (nonmedia) business in particular, alienating advertisers; (4) set up free Web sites that lure readers away; (5) publish all-ad vehicles (e.g., shoppers and traders) that lure advertisers away; and (6) abandon the supposed adversarial relationship with government and seek public assistance -- as the _New York Times_ did in order to build its new headquarters, when this model breaks down.

Dinosaur papers are as expensive as many magazines, but not nearly so deep; as superficial as television, but not nearly so lively; as disreputable as the Internet, but not nearly so diverse; as unreliable as radio, but not nearly so fast. It's a marvel that they've survived this long.

They won't last much longer without massive government assistance -- bailouts, tax-exemption, reimposition of the fairness doctrine, and probably draconian regulation of the Internet. All these intrusions are repellent and unconstitutional. But recongnizing the dinorags as nonprofit corporations is at least a nod toward reality: most of them haven't made money in quite a while.



Gregdn
But Fox isn't failing miserably.

Newsies have promoted
the ed. *unions* and every idiot ed. idea that has floated down the pike for 40 years until schools no longer really teach reading and people under 45 no longer really can or want to read.

It was the pres. of the NEA in 1972 that said teachers were now social engineers.

Additionally, the *lib. view* is monolithically EVERYWHER: the newspapers, news magazines, networks, cable, *music,* films, and the net, if you want to find it, so who would want to pay for constant re-enforcement of the same tripe by PAYING for it?

Air Am. would be thriving if people wanted more lib. lectures.

Sub. to the Wall Street Journal. You can get a sub. now at $99, and it has real news on the news pages, and only cons. opinion on the editorial.

Bork Sotomayer. Write Rep. Sens. and tell them you support their NO position.

Every Newspaper,
TV and radio station is biased. The New York Times is Left Wing and Fox is Right Wing. Still, an individual can read both of them and make up his or her own mind. I've read the L.A. Times for 30 years, and for all those years they've pushed Gun Control, Affirmative Action and advocated for an end to the Death Penalty. They haven't convinced me, but I read it because it is (or was) a good newspaper.
Getting your news online puts a responsibility on the user: one should really make an effort to get all sides of the issue. I read O'Reilly every day but also read the NYT online and the Washington Post. In the end I decide who's right about the individual issues.

The NPR model
I like the suggestion that "liberal" foundations & other leftist moneybags should pony up the freight for their propaganda mouthpieces. Actually, I guess arguably that's what a lot of the advertisers (owned & backed by leftists & their buds, or mau-mau'd into it) have been doing.

It goes against the socialist grain, tho, because the leftist ethos is not to put what one wants to distribute on the free market where the proles might (& do) reject it individually, but to confiscate wherewithal from them as taxe$ & then subsidize the dissemination of that "news" from the top, on the grounds that this is what the elites think the proles should read & hear, for "the public good." That's basically NPR news now.

If it's done too blatantly by government, tho, more will perceive that it is elitist propaganda.

BTW I'm not hating on NPR per se, which has some programming I like to listen to. But those programs could probably find a private market. Their news probably would not.

lily
So you don't like the fact that your daily paper is 50% advertisong? Too bad. That's where newspapers make their money. Circulation doesn't come close to covering even the cost of the newsprint, let alone any other costs.


One of my favorite Mark Twain quotes is. "Those who do not read newspapers are uninformed. Those who DO read newspapers are misinformed."

St. Louis Post
I grew up reading the St. Louis Post Dispatch, it was delivered daily to our door. As I grew from the funnies to columnists to the news and editorials I realized, in spite of the quoted promise by Joe Pulitzer, the Post was biased.
The more conservative Globe-Democrat was going broke. The Post bought it, promising to continue it's views. It took a few years, but the Globe is no longer published. I no longer read any newspaper.

So Read Another Paper
If people are dropping papers that they think are too liberal, then they should be picking up papers that are conservative. Anyone dropping the Washington Post should be picking up the Washington Times. Anyone who hates the New York Times could always take the Wall Street Journal. If that's not happening, then reasons lie elsewhere: too expensive, news is quicker online, TV is more lively, no time to read. Much of what conservatives say about newspapers isn't true anyway; the so-called liberal Times had its lead editorials yesterday by David Brooks and John Bolton, and the Washington Post has moved farther and farther to the Right since the 2000 election; I don't see that it's changed since 2008. "Liberal bias" is a straw man that's easily shot down; reality doesn't uphold the charge.

It's the Advertising
I subscribe to two major daily newspapers at a cost of about $1000 a year. And there isn't a day that I'm not tempted to stop, but the reason has nothing to do with politics (one paper is conservative, one is liberal). My objection is that both papers are now, by design, at least 50% advertising. Full page after full page of nothing but advertising, and I am paying for this. It's actually hard to locate the editorials amongst the ads. Except for having an ill husband who delights in reading both papers cover to cover, I wouldn't think they were worth the money any more. I appreciate the papers' need to make the bottom line, but full pages of cars, jewelry, sofas, $1000 shoes, fliers from trashy stores, etc, means I am subsidizing somebody's catalog.

A Joyous Day..........

"Many liberal journalists are concerned not so much about newspapers in general but about saving their jobs."

Could'nt happen to a finer bunch of folks........lol.......

What's that archaic, ancient dinosaur proverb that liberals mock?...Something to the effect of:

You reap what you sow......

GLORIOUS!
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