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Thursday, March 08, 2007
Marvin Olasky :: Townhall.com Columnist
From George W. Bush to William Tecumseh Sherman
by Marvin Olasky
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I thought the war that's now almost four years old could be different. With "smart bombs" we would destroy military targets and leave adjacent civilian structures unharmed. With smart rules of engagement we could minimize Iraqi civilian discomfort. In a sense, George W. Bush's war would be a compassionate conservative war.

Union Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman would have scoffed at such a campaign. His doctrine was, "War is cruelty. You cannot refine it." He ravaged Georgia and South Carolina in 1864 and 1865, but had he not shown how devastating total war was, the surrender of Robert E. Lee might have been followed by years of guerrilla warfare.

Technological developments over the next 80 years made war even more hellish. Machine guns led to the trench slaughter of World War I. Air power led to the bombing of civilians in London and then in German cities. Two nuclear bombs ended the U.S. war against Japan. Regrettable, the Allies acknowledged, but what was the alternative? "War is cruelty. You cannot refine it."

The Bush attempt in Iraq was to refine war. Speed, mobility, and flexibility allowed the United States to advance to Baghdad in record time. I did not cheer the advent of war in 2003 -- the headline on one of my columns was "Evil Times" -- but I thought the Bush doctrine could replace the Sherman doctrine.

It turns out that Sherman was right: When an army gains an advantage, it has to pound away, not let up. My early misassumption -- and far more important, the Bush administration's -- became evident quickly: On May 15, 2004, the cover headline in World, the magazine I edit, was "WHAT A MESS: U.S. mishandling of postwar Iraq is a recipe for civil war."

We quoted Ali Allawi, then Iraq's minister of defense, saying of the American debacle in Fallujah, "with the imperative of reducing civilian casualties that seems to govern the military doctrine the core of the fighters will get up and reassemble elsewhere and create mayhem at a later date." That's what happened.

Reducing civilian casualties by letting terrorists escape seemed right for both humanitarian and political reasons, but we were dealing with a culture that interprets compassion as a lack of seriousness. Muhammad and his successors spread their faith not by being nice but by wielding the sword. Following the smashing American victory in 2003, we had the opportunity to impress upon Iraqis who wanted to be winners the idea that terrorism is for losers. We missed that opportunity.

Losing in a Christian culture is not fatal, because many of us grow up believing that seemingly lost causes are the ones worth fighting for. Jesus and the apostles, and their disciples, spread Christianity by losing in worldly terms, even to the point of crucifixion. But Islam does not have a theology of losing. Muslim terrorists require momentum.

Just as 19th Century poverty fighters thought they had to be tough to produce results, so Sherman believed his cause was right and his harshness in war compassionate over the long term: Opponents would see that guerrilla warfare was useless. Were our recent rules of engagement really compassionate, when they gave terrorists new life and led to thousands of civilian deaths in terrorist bombings?

By being over-confident and going easy during the first year after taking Baghdad, we fell behind. Now General David Petraeus and his forces are playing catch-up. Will the U.S. surge succeed? Let's hope and pray so, because an American defeat will lead to wider war. "War is hell," Sherman said, and if we don't make it hellish for 10-15,000 terrorists, they will murder even more of their innocent countrymen, like the 120 killed in Hillah (60 miles south of Baghdad) on Tuesday alone in two suicide bombings.

And not only the peace of Iraq is at stake. If they succeed there, terrorists will make 9/11 seem like only the front hallway to hell.

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Marvin Olasky is editor-in-chief of the national news magazine World, provost of The King's College, and a professor of journalism at The University of Texas at Austin. For additional commentary by Marvin Olasky, visit www.worldmag.com.
 
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Questions that are not asked
Just what is a 'victory' in Iraq?
What will be a legitimate government there?
We do not apparently believe in imposing a Christian state on Iraq, but what would become of a democracy where the great majority of people voting are Shiite Muslims?
Will they not vote in another Fundamentalist Islamic State, and, if so, what was the point in all the loss of US troops lives in Iraq?
America has trouble with defining what it means to have a 'just' government.
The notion implicit is that the Democratic Process is the higher objective, but how many folks have really given the idea much critical investigation?
I personally would prefer a Christian state in Iraq, but we are not in any position to improve on what the Baath party had underway there.
As bad as it was, we can only leave it worse, unless Iraq, can find a means to live and let live---- something Americans assume can work there because it sort of works here.
A faulty assumption to say the least


Win the War
The solution is simple and has been staring us in the face all along;

Declare Victory and bring the troops home.

No American will ever convince a Jihadist that we were Liberators, we will always be Oppressors and Occupyers in their minds.

We can't beat them and we can't change their minds, so let's leave.

We Won ! Time to go home.

Zell Was Right!!!
Remember the "infamous" words of the Honorable United States Senator from Georgia, Zell Miller on 9/11/01?

"Bomb the Hell out of them!"

Those words still ring true.

GEM


Sherman
As a result of Sherman's experience at Shiloh and the western Theatre he correctly learned the one fact of war- make the other side so miserable as not to ever want to fight again. Because of our modern Western sensitivities we forget the purpose of war is to win and subdue the enemy as fast as possible - the longer it drags out the more people die and the more likely we are to loose.

Terrorists know working our tender sensitivities is the only way they can win (i.e. Vietnam and the useful rich spoiled idiots in tie dye). If the civil war had continued under General McClellan and not Grant and Sherman we'd still have slavery and Richmond would be the capital of Confederacy. WAR is Hell!

Driving over IEDs
I was originally for the Iraq war, because I thought we had a chance to get rid of an evil dictator who hated us. I didn't think there would be an insurgency. Boy was I wrong. Saddam was an evil mass murderer and torturer, and he probably would have resumed his chemical weapons production eventually, but look at Iraq now! Daily massacres via suicide bomber. Our troops getting blown up by IEDs with no hope of finding the persons who placed those IEDs. Our troops getting shot dead by snipers and the footage of it taken by terrorist cameramen and given to our news organizations.
Nope, we would have been better off spending the money elsewhere. Like securing our borders, our ports, etc.
And given the transformation of Russia into a Mafia state that performs hits on dissidents abroad, maybe we should be preparing our troops for Russian Agression, not to mention Chinese.

JDW
My mistake. And all this time, I thought we were trying to defeat terrorists, not become terrorists.

To make it simpler for you..
"Look! that guy looks like he's an Iraqi! That looks like a gun in his hands!"

"Look! See where he's been blown to hades, along with the mosque he was coming out of and the neighborhood he was carrying the gun through."

"After the poor strategy and tactics we used throughout much of Iraq helped feed the insurgency and turn most Iraqis against us,"

A) When were they FOR us?
B) Who cares whether they're for or against us?
C) Consider it evolution in action to eliminate people so STUPID that they cannot see what we've done for them, the chance we've given them, and what we could have done instead.
D) We didn't invade Iraq to make friends; we invaded Iraq because they fired missiles at our warplanes and because Iraq is a strategic territory in the middle east war. By pacifying it we have a base of operations against Iran and Syria. Something I saw before the invasion, and most of our media and gov't only now seem to notice.

Ken in Tennessee
After WWII, they interviewed a Japanese officer about who made the best jungle fighters other than the Japanese(I guess today they'd be "rainforest fighters").

After thinking a moment, the officer said, "the Australians"...
After some prompting, he added, "The English".

Finally the frustrated reporter asked, "What about the Americans?"

"I dunno," he replied. "They never fought in the jungle. The blew the jungle away and fought in the craters."

I've little respect for "new ways" of fighting wars. The basics never change. I don't see where Petraeus is doing any different than his predecessors. And all of the current 'success' could come unravelled the day after we pull our troops out and the roaches come out of the woodwork.

How many American citizens inhabit Iraq? Not including military forces and contractors (who are doing the rebuilding the Iraqis should be doing)? My guess is few to none.

Fine. Give the Iraqis a choice: obey or face genocide. If an IED goes off in a neighborhood, destroy the neighborhood. If an Iraqi village reverts to the insurgents, pull every 10th man out of his house and shove a bayonet in him.
Disarm ALL Iraqis. They have no right to keep and bear, and it was STUPID IN THE EXTREME to arm them with our weapons and train them in our tactics. We will keep the peace, they can rebuild the schools while we stand guard. The 2nd stupidest thing was for us to go in and rebuild *for* them, rather than stand guard over the labor gangs we organized.

The two requirements for this to work is A) an attitude of "We're Americans, you're not." and B) a willingness to kill.

The problem all along has been to establish democracy in Iraq and treat Iraqis decently, because this nation cannot bear to go to war for our own benefits, just for some noble cause, no matter how irrational and unreal that cause may be.

But all along we should have been concerned with the pacification of Iraq (by eliminating all Iraqis if necessary) so we could get on with the pacification of the middle east.

But we're too concerned with what Al Qaeda will think if we imply that Sadr is a faggot.

Hockey Goon
I have two sons who play hockey. I like to think that intelligence comes from breathing good, clean, cold rink air.

I hate to admit it but one of them is a goalie. I thought we raised him better than that.

Mako Shark...
As an aside in your detail of Israel...

Palestine was not a term used to define the nomadic arabs that wandered the region. Palestine, and subsequently Palestinians, were very derogatory terms, coined by Romans who controlled the region at the time, to describe both Israel and the Jews.

I don't know how it came to be synonomous with the arabs, but let's start with some correct historical perspective.

thanks
Ken in Tennessee writes: Thursday, March, 08, 2007 1:16 PM

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Nice post, one of the few truly informed statements I've read about the current situation in Iraq.

Wow
Dr. Olasky's gift of discernment and wisdom is apparent in his writing. Despite was pessimistics might have said here before me in comments, Olasky sees war from a unique position of a devout God-fearing man who wishes war to cease, but is honest and competent enough to realize often it is necessary. I believe he's done an excellent job of walking the difficult, blurry line between Faith and Life in the real world. Thank you, Dr. Olasky. These are tough issues and there seems to be few clear-cut answers.

Obviously Olafsky didn't do his homework
I know it's fashionable on these posts to beat our chests and talk about how tough we should be, that our rules of engagement (ROEs) are too politically correct and that we have to fight a rougher war. It turns out that this is exactly the opposite of what the military has learned from our performance in this conflict to date.

Now these guys are the ones who pay with their lives for mistakes so I think it’s worth hearing what they have to say.

Olafsky says we went "too easy" in the year following the overthrow of Saddam's government, forcing Gen. Petreaus to play "catch up" today. As it turns out, the reason Petraeus is in command of the theater today is because his tactics of going "easy" during that period actually worked. He's now been sent back to try to right the wrongs of other commanders who came in too hard and tried to fight a conventional war against a counterinsurgency that fed off their tactics.

Petraeus, for those unfamiliar with him, is the one who literally wrote the book on handling counterinsurgency that is used in the Army today. It's something the U.S. has never been good at, preferring to train to fight force-on-force conventional warfare, where we have no match in the world. But Petraeus is trying to teach the Army that counterinsurgency is a completely different ballgame where the conventional warfare tactics we used for the first couple of years in Iraq actually were counterproductive.

He's got some history in the theater that bolsters his case. He originally commanded the 101st Airborne in northern Iraq around Mosul early in the war, a region that had as much potential for sectarian violence as any region in the country. There was a Kurdish majority in the area, along with a lot of Saddam's former Sunni Ba'athists who were itching for a fight after the overthrow of his government. Yet because of his Special Forces training, Petraeus seemed to instinctively sense that counterinsurgency doctrine was the key to pacifying the area.

His first general order was to treat Iraqis with respect. He and his commanders met with the sheiks, the tribal leaders and others whose opinions mattered, like the religious leaders. When he conducted sweeps, they knocked on the door instead of breaking it down. Even if they had to take someone into custody, they did it in a way as to not rob that person of his dignity on front of his family, a key in a society where family honor is a controlling value. They treated his family with respect and didn’t bust up his home. Out of every hundred people they took into custody, they sent maybe 8 - 10 on to Abu Ghraib for further questioning. They didn’t take relatives into custody in an effort to force a suspect to turn himself in. Their patrols were as unobtrusive as possible. They used force judiciously. Unfortunately, he was the only one who seemed to “get it” in these early days.

As a result, most Iraqis returned their respect. They had locals coming forward with intelligence about suspicious activities. The area never erupted into the sectarian violence that has plagued many other areas with mixed populations. In short, using counterinsurgency doctrine worked.

Now look at the 4th Infantry Division commanded by Gen. Odierno, which came in much harder and had much worse results. Abu Ghraib’s commanders were forever complaining that out of a hundred people the 4th ID picked up, a hundred ended up at their detention facility. Troops went into homes like gangbusters. Their patrols were much more provocative and drew lots of fire. Insurgent activity was greeted with indirect fire like artillery, which created a lot of collateral damage. And most important, their tactics didn’t work. The insurgency in Odeirno’s region picked up steam rapidly and never abated.

Petraeus has now been sent back to try to unscramble an egg. After the poor strategy and tactics we used throughout much of Iraq helped feed the insurgency and turn most Iraqis against us, he’s now trying to show a new face of the occupation. And in contrast to what Olafsky seems to believe, it isn’t a tougher occupation he’s trying to enforce. It’s a smarter one that should have been used originally if only our civilian pre-war planners hadn’t deluded themselves into thinking that we were going to be greeted as liberators, that we’d be out in six months and that democracy would spring up like daisies in the spring.

Only time will tell (give it 90-120 days) if Petraeus' tactics will undo the damage done by those who misunderstood the nature of this conflict from the start. And from the tone of his article, it seems like Olafsky is one who continues to misunderstand it today.

Just War?
There is no such thing as just war or warfare. All war is total war. All war has some degree of injustice in it no matter how just the cause is. The nature of war has never changed. It has been and remains the greatest and worst of all human endeavors.

"Just War" vs "Total War"
What most people seem not to realise is that Sherman, acting under Sheridan's orders, stopped following the Laws of War and began waging Total War. The problem with this is that he was combatting fellow Americans, who followed the European tradition of Just War. The Laws of War, first adopted in the late middle ages by mercenary companies and their employers, were devised in Europe to minimize the damage done to civilian populations by frequent warfare.

It is a practice that was continued in the subsequent Indian wars, with the difference being that the tribes the U.S. fought were not practitioners of the code and themselves fought Total War... unlike the Confederacy.

While it was obviously effective, to practice it on people that were once one's countrymen, and whom one presumably wished to be countrymen again, who held the same philosophy of war and followed the Laws of War themselves was despicable.

However, Islamic Arabs are NOT Confederate Americans.

Makoshark
With any other country, our government is free to speak truth, as our government tells one Iraqi group that they must accommodate and share power with another group. We have never done that with Israel. Not only has it been exempt from any independent judgment from our country, it has been shielded from the publication of adverse truths in this country (which indirectly sets most perspectives here), and now in truth controls this country. Seymour Hersh, a great Jewish journalist, gave a speech on this (not Bush control, but small group neoconservatives) in Washington two or three years ago, but our media would not publicize that message. Absolute power corrupts. Israel is and has been run by extremists, who want retribution, not peace. They have violated every principle of the Geneva Convention and all human rights including the right to life, and we have imported their brutality here: torture, secret indefinite confinements, wrong beliefs, etc. Every fact that implicates Israel in anything bad, including complicity to excacerbate 9/11 or the murder of our sailors, is Classified and Secret (9/11) or our witnesses are ordered not to talk about it. Thus, our country lies to protect Israel, whenever an adverse incident occurs which would mean the end of Israel as the natural consequences of the publication of truth. The issue of whether Israel deserves the consequences is hidden from the mainstream conversation and thus deferred and added to a huge list of injustices. Israel brags about its practice of killing anyone, anywhere that it does not like. Under the terms of international law, it is a rogue nation and it is clearly morally bankrupt. George Soros, a billionaire Jew with the money to know the truth, has compared Israel to Nazi Germany and openly criticizes the grossly excessive Israeli influence in this country. The solution must involve notions of fairness (other than as envisioned by extremists) and/or shared power and resources whether that be through a Civil Rights Act or a constitution. A big part of the problem is that Israel does not have a Constitution and is not a true democracy. Zionists want to use the power of money to thwart truth and justice, which is a good definition of evil to most, but obviously not to Zionists. Such extremists have demonstrated zero aptitude at good governance, as we now experience every day in this country. Thanks for reading a different view.

To Makoshark
If you want a concise statement of Neoconservative political philosophy go to "Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception". Summary: 1) Power and money are to be held in the hands of a few, called "the Elite". 2) Everybody else is "the Masses". 3) The Elite are to control the Masses using patriotism, religion, and deception. 4) Deception is very important; a strong leader must be amoral (anything goes if it works). 5) A strong middle class is to be discouraged so anything that makes a strong middle class (strong labor, entitlements) must be stopped. 6) Foreign policy is to be aggressive both to achieve and maintain global US dominance but also to keep the homeland on a permanent war footing, which will help keep the Masses in line.

Sound familiar?

Leo Strauss was the University of Chicago professor who formulated Neoconservative political philosophy. Two of his followers at that institution were Paul Wolfowitz and Ahmad Chalabi. If you worry this article is too left-biased, just google a few hits defining Neoconservatism. Too many Americans who voted for a Republican administration had no idea what they were actually getting and are now the victims of Bait & Switch.

Missing something
Well I am glad JR finally explained what a neoconservative was. It didn't appreciate until now what the term meant. I had been told repeatedly that it was a liberal that had seen the light, the evils of their leftist ways. Knowing positively that neocons are Zionists makes me feel much better.

Lets see, the President of Iran announced Iran would wipe Israel off the face of the planet. Israelis asked to be left alone in peace.

Palestinians, funded by Saudis, Iranians, and once Saddam, blow up shoppers, schools buses, kill Arab and Jew alike with suicide bombs and rockets. Israel should do nothing in return.

The Israelis did as the world demanded and withdrew from occupied lands. They had been promised peace instead they got rockets.

Now, I did not approve of creating Israel in the first place, not because I am anti-Zionist or anti-Semite, I am not, but because I believed it would lead to exactly what we have seen, continual conflict, but no one asked me. The Europeans and the UN created Israel and by the way there was no Palestine country there at the time. The last Muslims that ruled Jerusalem were Ottoman Turks.

The Muslim world doesn't believe anyone should rule Jerusalem but Muslims, preferably Arab Muslims but who is counting. It is their second holiest city. Best solution? make it an international city, but neither Jew nor Muslim want that.

There are around 6.3 million people in Israel, almost 25% are Arab. So any rocket or suicide bomb has a good chance of killing fellow Arab Muslims. Yet if Israelis are so ruthless why haven't they eliminated the Arabs in their midst.

There are at least 1.3 billion Muslims in the world. Moderate Muslim leaders estimate that at least 20% believe in jihad against the West. While Israel is an issue, that issue is much more about Muslims not controlling Jerusalem. The war between the West and the Islamists movement is, from their own words, the Islamists retaking of all "traditional" Muslim lands first, re-establishing a Caliphate, second and then bringing Islam and Sharia Law to the world. Israel is but a burr under their saddle, a nuclear armed burr, but Iran will soon change all that.

And for those Americans and Westerners that dislike the state of Israel and believe Palestinians should be in charge what do you do with the Israelis? Hmmm! I wonder?

Why do liberals refuse to believe what the radical Islamists want to happen in the world, even when the Islamists tell us? It is like making light of Hitler's writings. That was one thing in the late 1920s but still ignoring them by the mid-1930s led us to tragedy. Sad that we must repeat history.




Your Christianity is on backwards.
Your Christianity is on backwards. Like Sharon and neoconservatives, you would kill every person ( and most of the world) who sees things differently. If you cannot win with truth or ideas, win with murder and brutality. Make sure the Americans never learn that Israel carried on a sustained assassination campaign against all educated leaders, except the most servile, in its occupied territories, and make sure adverse truth is never printed. Make sure the coordinated series of articles demonizing Muslims (unjustly) and Israel’s enemies continues. Since neoconservatives (Zionists) now plan to use nuclear weapons (the most brutal weapon known), your article is an important cog in support of that agenda, albeit insane and an insane precedent. Crimes against humanity are overdue against Sharon and neoconservatives. By the way, the US civil war was also a wasteful tragedy. Secession was reasonable, and it would likely have spared us the form of enslavement via constant propaganda, contrary to our knowledge and beliefs, that now spews from journalists and politicians too brainwashed and cowardly to report truth.

Asymmetrical warfare
Asymmetrical warfare with the enemy employing modern weaponry is a tough fight even when we have good intelligence, enough boots on the ground, and extremely good combat leadership. It is impossible without public support and patience. It is even more difficult when the enemy is well funded, well supported (those are not the same), well lead, utterly ruthless and far more patient than we are. Americans had ignored or underestimated this enemy for at least two decades, not just the short time we have been in Iraq. Today many Americans still underestimate this enemy because they do not comprehend that the Iraq Theater is as important as the Afghanistan Theater, Lebanon, Somalia, the Philippines, the Balkans, etc for our enemy. These countries are traditional Muslim lands, the first goal in this modern jihad.

The one lesson of Sherman's March to the Sea was that war cannot be nice, 'war is hell'. Of course many in the West today believe hell is just a fantasy a strange concept created by another bunch of religious fanatics.

When we spend orders of magnitude more trying to avoid collateral damage against an enemy that strives to kill as many as possible for as little as possible, then we have a problem. Our enemy desires to die for the cause of Islam and thinks nothing of killing other Muslims, even those of their own sect in the name of jihad (blood makes good headlines in the NY Times). We haven't faced an enemy this fanatical since the Japanese soldiers on the islands of the Pacific in WWII. Difference is this enemy has studied that history but especially our defeats since then.

Why was 9-11-2001 an intelligence failure? We spend billions each year on intelligence, how did it fail? From the Church Committee in the mid-1970s until 9-11-2001 Congress and several Presidents had slowly but surely dismantled, hamstrung, made impotent, made politically correct and had generally gutted our human intelligence capabilities. Our intelligence agencies "lack the imagination to understand this enemy and what they were capable of doing." In other words while our intelligence services had become now kinder and more political correct most in the human intelligence community, especially the civilian leadership, believed that a bunch of "rag-heads" were just not a major threat to the USA. They perceived suicide bombers as crazy and ignorant, not dedicated and determined or smart. Only crazy people blow themselves up. Only crazy people risk their lives for a cause.

Our intelligence services did not begin to fail us just in January, 2000 they had been deliberately dismantled since the 1970s into a ghost of their former selves by naive and self centered politicians. Politicians that placed winning the next election ahead of doing what was right for the country.

Hollywood and the media is too blame for the mindset that somehow intelligence services are evil and a "good liberal democracy" can live without them. How many movies have you seen where the bad guys were or were controlled by some rogue American intelligence service, the military or an American corporation?

Finally there is another view of just why we haven't been attacked again. It isn't because what the government has done has worked. Our enemy watched after 9-11 and saw for just a few months that Americans came together. They just may be afraid that if they struck again now that we would rally together to defeat them, instead of replaying the last days of Vietnam.

Their strategy: the long haul
IMCO, Iraq's attitude since the early '90's, and that of the various Islamist terrorist orgs, has been that America will not stick with any war for the long haul, especially when it produces casualties. We have unfortunately signalled time and again that we lack the resolve and can be made to give up and pull out. Therefore, they figure their best strategy is to hang in and wear us down by constant guerilla-style attacks that kill and injure soldiers.

We want to strike swiftly, taking land and objectives with little time spent and few casualties. They want to steadily kill and maim American soldiers and other Americans and native allies, until we pull out, and then to destabilize any regime we've put into place.

Arguably, Hussein structured his strategy around that idea. He just miscalculated how long it would take. That's why when we finally invaded, there were weapons caches and Baathist and foriegn (Syrian, Iranian, etc) "insurgents" in place all over the country, and huge warehouselike caches of conventional weapons and explosives (but not WMD's, which he got rid of, so we wouldn't find them and therefore would be more demoralized and discredited.) Meanwhile he crept into his spider hole to try to wait the process out in safety.

The problem basically boils down to the expectation we have historically (Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Somalia, 1970's Iran, El Salvador, even Beirut under Reagan) created for ourselves. We can be daunted by the prospect of casualties and the long haul. We will also abandon native allies who were counting on our support to the enemy. We pay a heavy price now for past failures to establish credibility.

Politically correct war
The recent history of America is that we fight wars utilizing limited, politically correct doctrine in an effort to convince others that we are civilized. While technology has advanced, the human soul has not advanced. Human beings only understand winning and losing. Human beings understand that they have lost when they are smashed and can only whimper "mercy".

Our country is in real trouble...
Instead of continuing to "spread democracy", perhaps we should turn our gaze to our OWN country and the situation IT is in.

- our borders are being overrun by illegal aliens, STILL, and our public servants refuse to do anything about it, but continue to give our taxpayer money to them as handouts.

- we have an orwellian national ID card on its way that will keep track of various biometrics on each one of us, in a national database

- in our pathetic strive for the government to "keep us safe", we have allowed our Bill of Rights to be gutted.

- We have Homeland Security surveillance cameras around every corner; the Military Commission Act throws out habeas corpus rights for Americans until they can prove at some point in their incarceration that they are American. Anyone remember that old warning? It starts something like this... "First they came for the..... You remember, I'm sure. Do you understand that you, or your neighbor can now be thrown in a secret prison camp, indefinitely, solely with an accusation? Is this what you want? Is this what our Founding Fathers intended? I think NOT.

- Our President has signed an agreement with Canada and Mexico called the Security and Prosperity Partnership, that is being used to merge the 3 countries into a North American Union. It is not far from complete. Their own timeline for completion is 2010. That means, tied up with a bow.

- The federal debt is astronomical. The country is all but bankrupt. Our very currency is in the real danger of collapsing.

- We no longer have property rights in this country. As of the Supreme Court's Kelo ruling, our private property can now be stolen from us for virtually any reason.

People, this is more than Socialism; it is Communism. And we have sat idly by while they put the chains on us. They have not tightened the noose yet, but the noose is around our neck. The question is... are you going to wake up and face reality, or are you going to continue to bury your head in the sand? I realize that it is a scary reality to face. However, if you do not stand up and be counted, you will have no one to blame but yourself when this country falls.

Here is something for you to read, if you so desire, and I sincerely hope you do.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Evensen/greg8.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/iserbyt/iserbyt37.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deannaA.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kiddA1.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/iserbyt/iserbyta.htm

Lefty's gone wild
Appears that rational columns discussing serious issues on TH have become the Roach Motel for lefty comments...they cannot comprehend anything and their responses are the same fraudulent circular reasoning of a petulent child, nothing more than a plague on discourse.



your conclusion
kill them all before they...can kill each other ?

Evil
William T. Sherman was an evil man fit only to be reviled by Christian people. Mr. Olasky, by supporting the repugnant General Sherman reveals himself to be wicked himself.

Almost reasonable
To TH columnists: throwing in random talking points doesn't make your columns more credible. Here, you end a somewhat reasonable column with: " And not only the peace of Iraq is at stake. If they succeed there, terrorists will make 9/11 seem like only the front hallway to hell." -- Haven't you got the memo that that was an "intellegence failure"? Saddam had no operational ties to Al Qaeda. The terrorists in Iraq today, well 95% of them, are native Iraqis who would not now be terrorizing anyone if the US had not invaded.
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