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Friday, May 30, 2008
Lorie Byrd :: Townhall.com Columnist
Lying About Iraq
by Lorie Byrd
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Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan’s new book brings the question of who lied about Iraq to the front pages once again. Those on the left have claimed for years that the Bush administration lied about the threat from Iraq in the lead up to the war – often defining “lying” as omitting information that did not support the decision to invade from the case they made to the American people.   If those on the left describe emphasizing the threat posed by Iraq before the war as a lie, then what do they call their current depiction of the situation in Iraq, as well as their characterization of how the war began?

One of the most constant criticisms of the Bush administration regarding the war in Iraq has been that President Bush “lied us into war.”  When asked for the specific “lie” the answer is usually that Bush oversold the threat Saddam Hussein posed to the United States.  The “lie” is said to be that Bush and his administration emphasized only evidence that supported the decision to invade.

But those on the left have consistently ignored or downplayed the seriousness of the threat most intelligence told us Iraq posed before the war.  Even worse, they are now ignoring the progress, and in many cases downright successes, being seen in Iraq since the “surge.”

A lot of attention is being given to the new book by McClellan who calls the decision to invade Iraq a "serious strategic blunder."  The book was touted by many this week as proof that “Bush lied” about Iraq, but in an interview on the Today show Thursday he said something else.

.“I trusted the president's foreign policy team and I believed the president when he talked about the grave and gathering danger from Iraq…I believe he believed it was a grave danger, too.” McClellan believes Bush “convinced himself of that,” but there were some very real reasons to believe it – reasons that convinced not only Bush that Saddam posed a serious danger, but also many Democrats, including even John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.

When those on the left continue to claim there was no reason to go into Iraq and that the entire war was based on “Bush’s lies” they are lying to the American public. 

In just one recent example, Mark Eichenlaub (writing at National Review in March) noted newly released information from the Iraqi Perspectives Project (including 600,000 Iraqi documents) showing “that Saddam Hussein’s regime funded, trained, and assisted terrorist groups (including al-Qaeda proxies), and sometimes actually ordered them to attack American citizens, American interests, and American allies” and “was simultaneously using its intelligence and security apparatus to plot and conduct terror attacks of its own.”

Steve Schippert described the cherry-picking done by those in the American media who, instead of reporting the extent to which Saddam was involved in terrorist activity, chose to dismiss the relevance of the project’s findings by summarizing “a 94 page report down to a single, unrepresentative phrase.”

Eichenlaub wrote, “Because of Saddam’s removal, which came at considerable cost in American blood and gold, a ‘formal instrument’ of state terrorism is no longer secretly plotting to kill Americans. The American public deserves to know what a threat was removed for that price.”

Most have probably never seen or heard the actual content of the Iraqi Perspective Project report and this is only one example of information discovered since the invasion of Iraq that reinforces the belief by so many at the time that Saddam’s Iraq posed a real threat to American citizens.

It is important, especially this year when Americans are electing a new President, to look at all the information available in the months prior to the Iraq invasion, rather than looking only to the media’s often inaccurate Cliff’s Notes version. 

Not only have many opposed to the war mischaracterized or omitted information regarding the threat posed by Iraq prior to the war, they have spent the past year ignoring, and in some cases disparaging, the accomplishments the United States has achieved in Iraq – especially over the past year. When those on the left continue to describe the war in Iraq as an unmitigated failure, not only do they lie to the American people, but they dishonor the Americans who have served there and denigrate their achievements.

Victor Davis Hanson recently wrote: “The successful toppling of Saddam was followed in short order by the shutdown of Dr. Khan’s atomic shop, the surrender of WMDs by the Libyans, and the supposed sidetracking of the Iranian nuclear bomb program (at least according to the National Intelligence Estimate) — and yet no one thought the timing of all these events was odd (even when Ghaddafi himself reportedly connected his decision to abandon a weapons of mass destruction program to Saddam’s fate).”

Perhaps one of the most convincing reports of America’s success against al Qaeda comes from those in the terrorist organization themselves – a topic of discussion for several years now on Islamic terrorist web sites. StrategyPage.com reports the primary cause is believed to be “Moslems killed as a side effect of attacks on infidel troops, Iraqi security forces and non-Sunnis.” 

The same report goes on to describe how the surge appears to have achieved great success in the battle against al Qaeda in Iraq.  “When al Qaeda could not, in 2007, exercise any real control over the parts of Iraq they claimed as part of the new Islamic State, it was the last straw. The key supporters, battered by increasingly effective American and Iraqi attacks, dropped their support for al Qaeda, and the terrorist organization got stomped to bits by the ‘surge offensive’ of last year.”

For presidential candidates to say now, knowing what is known five years later, with 20/20 hindsight, what decision they would have made regarding the threat posed by Saddam Hussein is irrelevant. Only what the candidate would have done knowing what was known then is any indication of what they might do in the future. The candidate who becomes president will not have a crystal ball and will have to make decisions knowing only the information available in the past and present. 

We can learn a lot from the past, but only when all the facts are studied.  That means not just those facts that make headlines in the American media, but also those facts that reflect positively on the Bush administration and the U.S. military.

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A TRUTH FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
Not much will surprise us about this Administration. There is, however, more to be learned here from McClellan's actions or lack thereof.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/05/lesson-from-sco tt-mcclellan.html


The media's failure...
...to report on the progress in Iraq is also a form of lying. This omission amounts to a willful withholding of the truth.

When the NY Times no longer puts Iraq on the front page day after day, you know we are winning. The turnaround in Iraq is almost a miracle when you consider the obstacles. We not only had to fight an unbelievably cruel and determined enemy on the battlefield. Bush also had to overcome the domestic enemy, comprised of a hostile MSM and congressional Democrats -- both totally invested in failure.

There is something Churchillian in the man's perseverance.

The what?
If this so-called Iraq Perspective Project is so illumininating, I find it odd Juan Insane has not touted its merits at every turn. Or the neocon Faux Snooze mavens. Or even Bush for that matter.

Its all crap.


The constant denial of koolaid drinkers.
Iraq is a great success if one favors a policy of diverting our resources from the source of the Al qaeda threat in Afghanistan(and now the increasing menace of the group in Pakistan), to shed our blood and loot our treasury in order that Iraqis may have a democracy.

Why should the Iraqis pay these costs as long as we are willing to pay them?

All of this hinges, of course, on the presumption Iraqis desire democracy.

Maybe they do.

But the Sunnis sure had a strange way of demonstrating it a couple of years ago in their boycott of the elections.

And now we have al-Maliki's troops trying to suppress the support and voter turnout of al-Sadr's people, arresting the group's leaders, fearing al-Sadr's candidates will trounce the government's candidates in the upcoming elections.

Not a particularly democratic thing to do.

Look, I want a stable Iraq too.

It is in our interest.

Just don't peddle the Bush administration nonsense about the viability of Muslim democracies.

Turn a sow's ear into a silk purse?

It may happen, but if it does, it will be in spite of our invasion, not because of it.

Why do I say that?

The daily carnage, death, devastation, bloodshed, looting, that occurred in Iraq after our invasion, beamed to every Muslim in the world by al jazeera, has caused the Muslim world to recoil in horror.

If that is "democracy", they want no part of it.

Eventually, some sort of representative governance will occur in the Muslim world, but it will likely be dominated by Sharia law and tribal hierarchies.

This is especially true of Iraq.

Mistake from the beginning
Can we all just admit that what we are doing in Iraq is a mistake?

you ninnys
How do we know the guy writing the book is not a liar? After all he wants his books to sale and what better way to do it than bash peso george?
NO DALE we can't, because it is not.

The liberal reply...
...to this column proves the very point Lorie Byrd is trying to make, namely that people do not want to see all of the facts...just what supports their particular point of view. We have one poster claiming that the report cited in the article is "crap" ostensibly because neither McCain nor Bush have been actively touting it; but we all can surmise from the tone of the poster that if McCain or Bush were touting it then it would still be "crap" in the poster's eyes, since it doesn't comport with his views.

We have another poster trying to get us to "admit" that the Iraqi invasion was a "mistake from the beginning", as if his opinion is fact. For people like this, no amount of argument, proof, or logic can dislodge them from their position since it is held with an almost religious fervor.

And the we have jerabaub who claims that Moslems were so turned off to Democracy by the looting in the aftermath of our invasion of Iraq that they may never want to have democratic societies. He is willing to consign these people to the oxymoron that he describes as " some sort of representative governance..." that "will likely be dominated by Sharia law and tribal hierarchies." He has made his mind up about the outcome of this conflict and nothing is going to shake him loose from it...not even verifable facts.

Wrong Byrd brain
The administration lied about ties between Iraq and al Queda. There was no evidence that Saddam cooperated with al Queda. To say that Saddam supported terrorists is an attempt to blur the distinction between the people who actually attacked us, and other terrorist groups. Every time one of these right wing spin monkeys says Saddam had ties to terror, they are lying! And they are counting on the fact that you right wing tools won't realize it because you WANT to believe that the Republican administration is honest.

They also lied about Niger. The CIA repeatedly told Bush that he shouldn't be using that intelligence. And there were good reasons why. In the SIC report the CIA said 1) that the reporting was weak, 2) they said the controls on the uranium were too tight, and 3) Saddam already had 500 tons of yellowcake. He didn't need any more! But Bush went ahead and told us all that Saddam was trying to buy yellowcake. Why? To scare us all into supporting the war.

Any one who buys what Byrd brain here is selling is a fool blinded by party loyalty.

Mclellan is another in a long line of smoking guns.

Put him together with Richard Clark and Paul ONiel and it's obvious that Bush wanted to invade Iraq and used 9/11 as the excuse to do it.

Phylo out.

Yellow Cake
Remember yellow cake uranium from Niger? No one who has been paying attention is accusing the Bush Administration of merely omitting facts that didn't back up their claims that war with Iraq was necessary. The Bush Administration is being accused of deliberately using information that had already already discredited -- that the CIA already knew was wrong -- to sell the American people on war. A recent study found that Bush made 935 false statements in the run-up to war: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/23/bush.iraq/

It would appear that Ms. Byrd reads nothing but White House press releases, watches nothing but FOX News and listens to nothing but Rush Limbaugh. I can't imagine how else she could only have the information that comes out of the White House, and no information whatsoever from any other source. Ms. Byrd is as informed about the activities of her government as people in China, North Korea and Zimbabwe are about theirs.

Flagwaver
You have a point.

Let's shed our blood and treasure, pay the price, so Muslims can live under a government of our vision.

We don't want to consign them to their own devices, or fate.

We know what is best for them, and for everyone else too.

Why stop with Muslims?

Much of the developing world lives under some sort of oppression and tyranny.

We ought to send our soldiers to free all the peoples of the globe.

In reality, we are not consigning Muslims, or anyone else, to anything.

If folks want to be free, let THEM fight for it instead of fighting among themselves.

In the 1700s, our nation was formed thru the sacrifice of Americans, not Egyptians or Italians.

It is not our role to wrest mankind from oppression, tyranny and poverty.

Unless you want to bleed our nation dry.

It is so easy to sound noble.


Why Iraq, Byrd?
Please, neo-con lovers, quit trying to convince the smarter folks of the reason why Jorge Bush invaded a country without provocation. Are you saying that Saudi Arabia, Libya, Jordon, Syria, and Afghanistan had no role in funding, training, etc., the 9/11 terrorists? Singling out Iraq to support Jorge's legacy isn't a good thing anymore. Byrd, you referenced a writer cherry-picking facts and media to make a point. You are doing it too. WMDs are in the possession of many nations and we have not shocked and awed them. Why not? Some of them would have returned the favor, and that is the difference between Iraq and the others who do have WMDs. No cherry-picking allowed. Straight talk only.

Dale: NO, we will not!
.

Phylo/LIELO
I think that we all know that the WAR wasnt handled Properly but we also know that Sadaam
was paying SUICIDE BOMBERS families $25,000
for blowing up the INFEDELS now I dont know about you but that sounds like to me he was supporting TERRORIST. But like all LIBS you are to stupid to do your own research.

Lackey thinks he knows everything
For someone who was not privy to the classified details of the Iraq situation this clown seems to think he knows all. His book is nothing but a Left Scam from his publisher. McClellan's part is to make money.

Tell us something bubba, who will your friends be after the Left discards you like a soiled diaper?

NINA
You mean to tell me that you LIBS are that stupid not to research and read the INTEL REPORT that the POTUS gave them. I THINK YOU ARE STUPID not to think that LIBS didnt know what was going on in IRAQ when they were making statements about SADAAM and his WMDs way before Bush even got into Office. Hell only 6 Congressial Members read the whole INTEL REPORT before THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES gave the Permission to go to WAR. THE LIBS COULDNT WAIT TO JUMP ON THE WAR WAGON. What is sad is that they were the ones PUSHING SADAAMS WMDS before BUSH DID but oh no BUSH LIED

Tell me who said this one.

He will use those weapons of Mass Destruction again, as he has 10 times since 1983. The Man Himself SANDY BURGLAR, Clinton National Security ADvisor 1998

Come on you LIBS know everything.
Who said this?

We have known for many uyears that Sadaam is seeking and developing WMDS.
Come on Brainiac?
TED (HICKUP) Kennedy 2002

I like how LIBS on here come out and Blame this Pres for everything that their own LEADERS where telling this country way BEFORE BUSH was even POTUS.

As usual LIB ARE LIARS and being caught at it.

Here is anothger for you just in case you are still in doubt

Hussein has chosen to spend jis money on building WMDs and palaces for his cronies.

Just as I thought another LIB making the case to take Sadaam out.
Madeline Albright, Clinton Sec Of STATE.

I have come to a comclusion that the reasons the LIBS are mad at BUSH is because he BEAT THEM TO THE PUNCH. They allo new Sadaam had these WMDs and srared so, But OH NO GWB beat them to IT.

It's All Here
No one will ever be convinced. Just read this board. The Left looks for any piece of truth or distortion to hang on the wall to justify how they feel. The truth is lost to them forever because the Left would rather believe their own lies than embrace any truth, if the truth does not support their bias. The Right doggedly hangs to their truths without considering there is or may be another way to view those supposed truths. It is all perception coated in bias by both sides. Minds are made up, blood pressures are as high as they will go, rationalizations have been honed--nothing will change--The Iraq justification can be put in the same pile with the abortion argument; it's roughly a 50/50% break. Frankly, I hate both sides--you argue foolishly but never convincingly.

This book
like so much of the media garbage these days does not pass the smell test.

I hope Scott is happy in the choices he made because he sunk his career as well as the rest of his families' careers.

Nation Building
Sorry but you all are wrong on that.

We had to build Iraq into a new country. You cannot create a vacuum and not expect it to not get filled. It would of filled with tribal warfare and Iran.

Then what would our reputation in the world be?

Dale
You ask: "Can we all just admit that what we are doing in Iraq is a mistake? "

Short answer: No.

Something is bugging me
If you believe the polls, and you shouldn't, the Democrats are going to sweep the elections in November, from congress to the White House.

Why do I get this nagging feeling that if that does come to pass, the war in Iraq that is now such a failure in their eyes, will miraculously turn around, the progress that we are making become evident and that all this success will suddenly be attributed to the Dems.

I know they will do exactly that and to say that it seriously agitates the bee in my bonnet is to grossly understate it.

Dan
What is sad is you are correct. The LIBS arent going to pull out of IRAQ, they are going to go in their and claim because they are in charge now that they made IRAQ better, forget about the SURGE because LIBS couldnt spell SURGE.

Way before this WAR even started LIBS where out there calling for the FALL of SADAAM and all his WMD programs but now they became STUPID and MISUNDERSTOOD.

Just like when they where running around during the CLINTOON days screaming that the Social Security Program is BROKE, then they lost the ELection in 00 and the SSN program was OK now. What are we to believe when our leaders in this DO NOTHING DEM LED CONGRESS thinks its PRIORITIES are Prosecuting SPORTS FIGURES over
taking care of this COUNTRY.

ALAH AKBAR LIBS

Of course they lied.
I am constantly astounded at those who have been gulled, yet continue to support the liars.

Everything used to gin up this incredibly stupid war--WMD's, biological weapons labs, nuclear facilities, Niger uranium fantasies--were lies.

Yet war supporters now answer, "they weren't lies--they were just 'mistaken intelligence.'"

Ah. So we go to war, kill a hundred thousand innocent Iraqis, as well as four thousand Americans, on "mistaken intelligence."

Don't you think we should be one hundred percent sure of the facts before we start a war? Especially when the alleged "enemy" has not attacked us? When the alleged "enemy" is cooperating with intrusive UN inspections? When the alleged "enemy" is an economic basket case with a military budget one percent of our own?

Face it: the government lied us into war. Lied, folks--not "made mistakes."

BTW, I'm not a "liberal." I am actually far more in favor of small, limited government than most people who visit this site. The problem with "conservatives" is they usually (properly) protest against big government, but then turn purple with passion when asked to support the biggest, most destructive government program of all: foreign adventurism and war.

Poalo
You are correct Mistaken Intelligence, the problem is that all those LIBS in Congress couldnt wait to JUMP ON THE WARWAGON either so dont just rap CONSERVATIVES for this WAR. Hell LIBS where screaming about taking SADAAM out way before BUSH ever did. Im a Vet an WARS are UGLY and will always be, but sometimes things just have to happen and here we are. So do you think after we have lost those so called 4000 troops that we should DISHONOR their efforts by RETREATING AND SURRENDERING to the ENEMY like the LIBS did me when I was in NAM.


Paolo
So should we support OBLAMA after he has been proven even by the DRIVE BY MEDIA that he is a LIAR ands coninues to LIE to the people of this COUNTRY.

How many more UNCLES, or Pastor, or Mad wifes at America does he have? We know that his KKK of America speech will go over greatly with LIBS since history has shown us that the Majority of Slave Owners were SOUTHERN BAPTIST DEMOCRATS.

we are a representative country
in the us we vote for members of congress both house and senate.at the time of the build up to the war in iraq,each member of both parties were to weigh all the details available to them at the time,and they made a decision to support it.Perhaps many feared being labled as non patriotic..so they voted to protect their own careers,not the needs of their people they represent,you and i.george bush could not have done what he did without the votes and support of congress.whatever your view concerning the war is,consider this,our congress went along with the war.

Jo
Right ON, I have been preaching that on TH foreever and have proof for the LIBS. The LIBS can come on here and scream BUSH LIED but everyone of them except 6 DIDNT read THE INTEL REPORT before they VOTED FOR THIS WAR. Now that the cake has been baked they dont like the taste. I dont know about you but Im sick and tired of this WE VOTED FOR IT BEFORE WE VOTED AGAINST IT. That to me is like saying, I bought that SORRY LEMON OF A CAR BEFORE I DROVE IT.
TOOOOOO BADDDD SOOOO SADDDDD.

LIBS wanted Sadaam removed before Bush was even POTUS and I think its just Payback, just LIke the Social Security Program when CLINTON was POTUS. IT was Broke when CLINTON was POTUS but when BUSH became POTUS they couldnt find nothing wrong with it. If the American People can be so DUPED then its their OWN FAULT.

ALAH AKBAR AMERICA DUMMIES YOPU INFEDELS

No lie
This is how policy gets made and sold. Bush's mistake is in being unwavering. He should admit uncertainty and doubt, bite his lip and say he stayed up all night debating the evidence to go to war.

That's what the media wants and loves. Liberal and the media believe existentialist angst to be the hallmark of the enlightened modern man. Confidence and self-assurance? How primitive!

Couple of problems Trolls:
1) the Niger/Yellowcake story: Brti intel still stands by it, Nigerian officials themselves support it and, Joe Wilson's report to the CIA and his testimony before congress (not to be confused with his lies in op - eds and interviews) supported it.

2)Saddam was one year away from a working Nuke. This was reported by none other than the NYT right before the last congressional elections. Of course they reported it as an attack because the admin. put up the supporting docs and the NYT had the gall to scream about the admin.'s use of classified data.

3)Even the 9/11 report said Saddam had ties to Al-Quaeda. It did say that Iraq was not directly involved in the 9/11 attacks, but it never said no ties.

Facts and logic - a Leftist's worst nightmare.

Paolo scribbles: "Everything used to

gin up this incredibly stupid war--WMD's, biological weapons labs, nuclear facilities, Niger uranium fantasies--were lies."

Interesting take on that, WRONG but interesting.

Paolo apparently forgot about the other 12 countries that were part of the allied troops...

**Italy
**Denmark
**El Salvador
**South Korea
**Poland
**Romania
**Bulgaria
**Spain
**Dominican Republic
**Philippines
**Netherlands
**Japan

I'm sure that Russia, China, France and Germany, would have been there too, but as Burt says, "they all had sweetheart oil deals with Saddam Hussein, and didn’t wish to see their cheap oil supply jeopardized."


"Don't you think we should be one hundred percent sure of the facts before we start a war?"

Gee Paolo, exactly when might that be, when we're a 100% sure... After al qaeda nukes us, perhaps?

Yup, that would be good it guess. But who would know? We'd all be dead! Fool!

anne

YES we will so... there

I just can't believe this!!!!
Wait....yes I can, considering the sources.

There are actually some people that think that the Muslims will hate us EVEN MORE by fighting the terrorists/thugs/Islamofacists!?!?! It's almost as though libs think this phenomenon only started post 9/11!!! You just can't see some of the reasons we are at "war" with these people are, that they are jealous of what we are, what we have. They have been pretty much of insignificance over the last several centries. There is so much unemployment, no real industrial commodities, lack of education (esp females)in other words, a lot of disgruntled, angry Muslims that would just love to be in that other world with all their virgins. Sounds better than the hell they have here on earth. Plus the chance of taking out a western, satanic,non believer or two. I mean it is what it is. Now, tomorrow, ten, fifty years, this is what we have. If you think that they will like us if we just appease them, start being nice, you are in a state of de nile. We are in Iraq BECAUSE....CONGRESS gave Bush the authority to do so. The other intelligence agencies from the other nations had the same info. Opppppps, I should have thought of this......musta been a WORLD WIDE CONSPIRICY!!!! Pres Bush convinced the whole GD world that that guy Saddam was a bad guy that was going to use/have WMD's!!!! Yup, that's what it is. Haaaaaa.....this even ties into the 9/11 twin towers collapse. OK, now I can see the pattern. Hey, that Bush guy must not be so dumb after all if he did all of this!!!! So this is what it feels like being a lib? I feel like taking a shower right now. BBL

McClellan's Book
Perseus Book Group, the publisher of McClellan's
book is owned by self styled plutocrat George Soros. Nuff said.

Apollo Speaks
Apollo Speaks, nice post. Reason, Facts, and Logic are not on display. Fear and Hystrionic behavior is an easier route; that sells bumper stickers, ad spots, books, and increases TV ratings. If someone REALLY wants the truth, they can go see the facts on the War on Terror; without the news' input.

patriotic
and faux news is owned by Rupert Murdoch, the same Rupert Murdoch who confidently predicts the Democrats will cream the Republicans this November.

So I guess we should dismiss everything faux news has to say.

Nuff said.

Maybe you are on to something after all.

Anne
In terms of Iraq, how many of those nations you cite have more than 50 soldiers serving there?

Uhhh, maybe two or three, if that.

Most either have less than one dozen, or are soon to be taking what few soldiers they have out of the theater.

Coalition of the Willing?

Now, that is a good one.

"Willing" because G.W. bribed them.

jerabaub
Your comment only serves to disprove the leftist myth of Rupert Murdoch as a lockstep Republican supporter.

patriotic
Maybe.

Or maybe Murdoch is evolving in his thinking, kind of like of Richard Scaife(who now supports Hillary).

Don't misunderstand.

I am a true conservative, and have little use for conventional liberalism.

And normally I could not possibly vote for a Hillary or Obama.

I guess it is a testament to how badly G.W. Bush has screwed things up that not only I but former bigtime conservative donors now have repudiated the direction G.W. Bush and the neocons have taken the party.

To the extent McCain mirrors Bush, it will be all the more difficult for him to win in November.

jerabaub: I was going to ask IF you had

a point, but decided against it because you NEVER do!

Now go away... I don't have time for your or your idiot posts!



Incomplete
In Lorie's column:

"In just one recent example, Mark Eichenlaub (writing at National Review in March) noted newly released information from the Iraqi Perspectives Project (including 600,000 Iraqi documents) showing “that Saddam Hussein’s regime funded, trained, and assisted terrorist groups (including al-Qaeda proxies), and sometimes actually ordered them to attack American citizens, American interests, and American allies” and “was simultaneously using its intelligence and security apparatus to plot and conduct terror attacks of its own.”"

OK, what specific American citizens, American interests or American allies were attacked based on those orders? Lorie would do well to include that information to validate the point.

Another glaring omission in her article is the status of WMDs. It was a major reason given by the administration for invading Iraq, yet there is no mention of them in her article. One would think that finding evidence of the existence and disposition of WMDs would be Priority One of the administration to once and for all prove the intelligence was in fact correct. It's been five years - what's the holdup?

Not having read Mr. McClellan's book I do not know if he ever categorically stated that President Bush lied about Iraq. That would require proof and I haven't heard anyone mention that Mr. McClellan has anything of the sort. I would say that the president certainly misled the public about Iraq for some reason not disclosed (and may never be).

Lorie also said, "We can learn a lot from the past, but only when all the facts are studied." Well said. That presumes that we, the American people, are given all the facts...

Butt: Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah

Just more of your stupid, "assinine" senseless rhetoric! We're pretty much all tired of you and your Blah, Blah, Blah.

"But other nations said he had WMD"
As expected, my proof that this stinking administration LIED US INTO WAR has been met with the usual idiotic assertion that "Germany, France, etc. etc.....all believed Saddam had WMD's too."

But those on the ground, who actually had solid, face-to-face intelligence (Hans Blix, Scot Ritter, Mohammad Al-Baradei, etc.) all said they could find NO EVIDENCE of WMD.

A sensible, non-war-loving, balanced president would have called for further review of the situation.

But Bush and Company WANTED THIS WAR, BADLY. They make the propaganda; we shed the blood.

Face it, nitwit Neocons: you guys are inveterate LIARS. Why should we believe one word out of your stinking mouths?

Thanks to those of you who pointed out that liberals were as much complicit in this as conservatives. As a libertarian who favors reduced government, both at home and abroad, I couldn't agree more.

Paolo
Paolo: I read all your posts. I conclude that facts make little difference to you so debate is a waste of time.

Boutte: Would you like to see a long list of similar statements by your beloved liberals? Your argument is biased.

I fear it will take another 9/11 for liberals to 'get it.'

Response to Nina
Nina wrote: "Remember yellow cake uranium from Niger?"

The irony here is astounding. Nina, you are obviously not aware that the yellowcake uranium from Niger was true. It was not a lie. It is still backed up by British intelligence. Bush cited British intelligence in the State of the Union speech. Your boy, Joe Wilson even confirmed dealings between Niger and Iraq and the only thing Niger sells that Iraq would want is yellowcake uranium.

So... You gave an example to show Bush to be a liar and instead showed yourself to be the liar (or ignorant). This just drips with irony!

It would appear that Ms. Byrd reads nothing but White House press releases, watches nothing but FOX News and listens to nothing but Rush Limbaugh. I can't imagine how else she could only have the information that comes out of the White House, and no information whatsoever from any other source. Ms. Byrd is as informed about the activities of her government as people in China, North Korea and Zimbabwe are about theirs.

patriotic
Recently captured and translated (2008)documents reveal that bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, received support (monetary and other) from Saddam Hussein prior to and after his affiliation with al Queda in the late '80s, disproving the leftist myth that there was no connection between Iraq and al Queda until after the current war began.

"Facts are stubborn things." - John Adams.
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