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Friday, May 16, 2008
Lorie Byrd :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Number One Reason John McCain Should Be President
by Lorie Byrd
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Recently on a talk radio show, the guest, a Democrat, said there was little difference in policy between John McCain and the two Democrats running for President.  Many of those calling in agreed.  Considering McCain’s recent comments on global climate change and his position on some other issues I can understand why some might have that impression. 

If voters are convinced there would not be much difference in policy between a McCain and an Obama presidency, it is likely the majority will go for the young, charismatic candidate who would make history as the first black President.  If they vote for Obama thinking he would be the same on policy as John McCain, though, they will be making a big mistake.

On some of the most important issues the country faces there are huge differences.  On one issue in particular, national defense, McCain has demonstrated that he is the only candidate of the three we can afford to have as President at this time.

Democrats see the Iraq War as an issue that will hurt McCain.  The war in Iraq is unpopular, and since the progress and success that is now being seen there is receiving little media attention, it is likely to remain so, at least until November.

McCain was not only supportive of the decision to go into Iraq, but he was a strong proponent for “the surge.”  In fact, much of McCain’s criticism of the war was based on his belief that a larger force was needed.

McCain has not been an unquestioning cheerleader though.  In addition to being a steadfast supporter of the mission, in his criticism of troop levels, McCain has also been an outspoken critic of policy failures there.  This gives him credibility with many Americans who were not necessarily against removing Saddam Hussein, but rather have problems with how it was done.

The position popular with Democrats now is that we never should have removed Saddam Hussein and that even if there have been positive results of it, the surge should never have occurred because the war is ultimately unwinnable and the surge only prolonged it.

There is far from “little difference” between those positions.  There is a huge difference between the two.

Putting Iraq aside, John McCain is the only candidate for President with military experience.  (Hillary’s Bosnia sniper fire claim only highlighted that fact.) Some Democrats have now come up with an attempt to level the playing field against McCain based on the nature of his service.  One argument now being floated by some Democrat Senators is that McCain did not learn the lessons of Vietnam because he was “sealed away” as a prisoner of war.

The New York Times reports that “in private discussions with friends and colleagues, some of them have pointed out that McCain, who was shot down and captured in 1967, spent the worst and most costly years of the war sealed away, both from the rice paddies of Indochina and from the outside world. During those years, McCain did not share the disillusioning and morally jarring experiences of soldiers like Kerry, Webb and Hagel, who found themselves unable to recognize their enemy in the confusion of the jungle; he never underwent the conversion that caused Kerry, for one, to toss away some of his war decorations during a protest at the Capitol.”  

Ed Morrisey  wrote in response, “[Senator Max] Cleland says that he didn’t know which heart and mind would blow him up, but McCain didn’t have to wonder at all which would torture him. He got a good, close look at the evil that totalitarians produce for over five years ‘on the ground.’”

Morrisey went on to note that later McCain  studied the war in great detail at the National War College, served for over twenty years on Senate committees overseeing the armed services and their strategies and tactics and that “for almost 40 years, McCain has kept himself not just informed but critically involved in matters of national security and defense.”

On the other side of the aisle, Barack Obama has served just over three years in the U.S. Senate and in addition to making irresponsible statements regarding foreign policy he has shown a thin skin when those statements are criticized – and sometimes even when they aren’t.

Even with the problems many conservatives have with McCain on issues such as campaign finance reform and immigration, they must realize that on the issue of national defense John McCain vastly differs from his Democratic rivals.  There are other issues, such as abortion and spending, where McCain’s policy is in line with conservatives and is 180 degrees different than either Obama’s or Clinton’s policies. National defense, though, is the area where the President has the most direct control and at this place in history it is the one area that we cannot afford to gamble on a careless, inexperienced, and ill-informed candidate – no matter how pretty he can speak.

What matters is not how well the candidate speaks, but what he says and time after time Obama has shown he is simply not qualified for the job.  Even if it is on this one issue alone, national defense, conservatives must support John McCain in November.  McCain spoke this week about the things he imagines seeing in the year 2013, at the end of a successful first term.  If Obama is commander-in-chief those four years, I don’t think I want to imagine the result in 2013.  

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Well, hey, Lori Byrd

If your main reason for supporting Senator "Amnesty John" McRINO is that he's the only candidate with military experience, then I'm right here and now officially announcing MY candidacy, as a decorated Vietnam vet.


So..... when can I count on your endorsement?


BTW, I'm probably a better soldier, too, as I managed to not surrender to the enemy.

Just a thought......


Ms Lori
Who in the devil puts people like you up to beating the drum for a RINO like John Mc cain ? As far as his proclaimed ability to lead our country in time of war I find it next to impossible to understand why a person who just barely graduated from the U. S. Naval Academy near the bottom of his class and spent five years as a POW is by that experience qualified to lead our country in time of war.
In 2004 I mistakenly voted for a man I did not totally believe in because I was convinced it was a better alternative than a Democrat in the White House. I will never do that again because I see no great difference between the far left and Mc Amnesty McCain.

Disloyalty
I might agree with you Ms. Boyd except for McCain's most disturbing aspect; his disloyalty.

When someone is wantonly disloyal to his own party, he can't be trusted. With McCain, there's no telling what he'll use as a political ploy if expediency requires. He's a man who's more than willing to work with Democrats, and this makes him disloyal.

I'd like to believe John McCain when he says he'll protract the war, but his past prevents me from doing so.

Precisely, Wayfinder
Disloyalty.

Find the common denominator, other than McRINO's name:

McCain-Feingold

McCain-Kennedy

McCain-Lautenberg

McCain-Lieberman.




Give up?


All the other names are liberal/Democrat.


Where's the "McCain-(conservative name here)" bill, anywhere in history?


Disloyalty?
Some conservatives are behaving truly like mafia BOSSES. They demand the LOYALTY of politicians to THEM. Well, the loyalty of any politicians should be FIRST to their country!!

So, what's wrong with trying to reach to the other isle? If you think the voice of 50 or 55% of the voters should be the basis to determine public policy or laws, you are severely misguided.

The problem in Washington today is not that each of the political parties is not working. They work very hard but to push their own agenda to the limit. There is VERY VERY little common ground and compromise.

So, when McCain did just that, the conservatives are mad because McCain is disloyal to them. Wow. And irrationally, they claim that he is just another liberal while they completely ignore all of his conservative votes and positions.

Come on, grow up!



Petrovian!

Hey, how ya doing? Barev dzez.


You know, your post is interesting, because it seems to ME that all you McCainiacs are running around calling us conservatives all kinds of names, like ... oh, let's say "mafia BOSSES", simply because we won't blindly act like sheeple and lemmings and blindly toe YOUR party line.


Ooooops!.... My bad!..... that was YOU who said that!


Here was another good one. You: "So, what's wrong with trying to reach to the other isle?"

Well, first of all, I'm not trying to get to Ireland. But if you were talking about an "aisle".... well,..... how about if THEY try to reach across to US?

Hell of an idea, don't you think?

I really liked this one: You: "So, when McCain did just that, the conservatives are mad because McCain is disloyal to them"

Well, yeah, Petrovian, because, you see, that's what we silly conservatives call "betrayal". As in betraying one's principles and allies.

I mean, let's face it, from your name I assume you're Armenian. Well, I'm half Armenian, and my grandfather's family was wiped out in the Genocide. But I guess that's HIS fault for not reaching "across the aisle" to the Ottomans.

Is THAT your position?



Even with his flaws...
I have been as critical of McCain as those commenting here. If you don't believe me just follow the links in this post: http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=12109

He is not the perfect candidate, and was not my choice in the primary, but compared to the candidates the Dems have to offer he is by far the best. As I said in the column, those who say there is no difference between McCain and the Dem candidates are fooling themselves.

The thought of what Barack Obama would do as commander-in-chief terrifies me. National security/defense is my top issue when choosing president, but I also know that the McCain policies on abortion and spending will be vastly superior to those of Obama. And just imagine how much better a McCain cabinet would be than an Obama or Clinton cabinet. Even if McCain includes Democrats, it is more likely they will be Joe Liebermans rather than Sandy Bergers.

I have yet to hear a convincing argument that Obama would be a better president for conservatives than McCain. So far all I have heard is how McCain is a flawed candidate. Those who think Obama would be better should by all means vote for him, or sit it out and let his voters prevail. I am voting for McCain in November.

Chicken Little, Run For Your Life!
The sky is falling! Just more of the same ol' fearmongering, GOP, agitpropist pap from a brainwashed, college-educated, dingbat, sorority sister. Little starry-eyed dingbat, what will you say about your beloved war hero when McAmnesty allows a terrorist cell to blow you or the GOP and DEMS in DC to Kingdom Come??? Nice try, Sweetie! Now go back to your College Republicans and your little dream world you just stepped out of while we in the real world get on with reality. America, quit dreaming like this little dingbat and vote Constitution Party. Otherwise, in November, 2008, it's wake up and smell the coffee as it's thrown in your dreaming face like it will be for Mommy and Daddy's little dingbat, Lori Byrd.

Part 1 of 2: Lori, while I
often agree with your writings, this one was a total loser. Instead of writing a column about why conservatives should line up and vote for John MCain because of his military expertise, why don't you write about how his Straight Talk Express can be derailed at the convention? Who says we have to accept him as the presumptive nominee? In how many states did he garner a +50% primary vote showing that he was the overwhelming winner? And Florida? GOP primary rules were changed at the last minute to allow Independents and Democrats to change party affiliation and vote in a "closed"(ha!) primary. On the basis of a few states McCain was annointed the inevitable nominee before millions of conservatives were even allowed to vote. And now we are told to "stand by our man."

Why aren't all the supposedly conservative columnists (who are writing TownHall RINOgram upon RINOgram) taking a stand for conservative principles and saying, "No, this man is NOT a conservative. WHY are we even telling people he's the real deal? Why are we constructing weak arguments as to why he would be so much better than Obama or Hillary when we truthfully do not know WHAT the man will do once in office based upon his past record?" (Part 2 to follow.)


Part 2 of earlier post:
Let's be honest. McCain is a DEMOCRAT on 90% of all the issues. He is in bed with ultra-liberals like Kennedy, et al. He has co-sponsored legislation upon legislation with these same liberals (see post #4.) He has flip-flopped and flipped on amnesty so often who the heck knows what he believes? So far with each media appearance he embraces the leftist view more and more. If he were elected it would not surprise me in the least if he announced a party change effective immediately.

As for his vision of 2013? What makes you think the Democrats (who could likely be a majority in Congress)are going to allow him to make those visions come true? The liberal left is never happy, no matter how much one gives in to them. I don't think it would be any different if McCain were president. It could be worse being that he has no problems giving in to them already.

I won't sit idly by and as another poster said, have the Straight Talk Express run over me, then back up and run over me again. This time I am saying, "No more."

McCain “Bring Them All Home”

McCain Strongly Rejected Long-Term Iraq Presence: “Bring Them All Home”

What is McCain for?

HP-When it comes to getting U.S. troops out of Iraq, Sen. John McCain was for the idea before he was against it.

Three years before the Arizona Republican argued on the campaign trail that U.S. forces could be in Iraq for 100 years in the absence of violence, he decried the very concept of a long-term troop presence.

In fact, when asked specifically if he thought the U.S. military should set up shop in Iraq along the lines of what has been established in post-WWII Germany or Japan — something McCain has repeatedly advocated during the campaign — the senator offered nothing short of a categorical “no.”

“I would hope that we could bring them all home,” he said on MSNBC. “I would hope that we would probably leave some military advisers, as we have in other countries, to help them with their training and equipment and that kind of stuff.”

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/mccain-strongly-re jected-long-term-iraq-presence-bring-them-all-home

The Number One Reason John McCain Should
In your article you state,"If Obama is commander-in-chief those four years, I don’t think I want to imagine the result in 2013." It should read, If Obama is president there will be No 2013!

McCain is too stupid to be president
After the disaster of the Bush Administration, the last thing that the Republicans need to do is support another candidate who is too stupid to understand the issues.

McCain does not realize that supporting open borders, unlimited immigration, and amnesty ruins his credibility on national security. If he does not care about illegal aliens felons committing crimes in the U.S., then he definitely does not care about national security.

Compare Senators Obama and McCain. Senator Obama is smart enough to know that open borders and unlimited immigration coupled with a fast track to citizenship benfits liberals and the Democratic Party. Senator McCain is too stupid to realize the same thing.

Why should anyone vote for a candidate who is too stupid to realize the impacts of his own policy decisions. The Republicans made that mistake with President Bush and now people like Ms. Byrd want us to do it again.

McAmnesty's Open Borders--NO DEFENSE!!!
What a joke! McAmnesty helps 25+ million illegal aliens and terrorists, more than the population of Mexico City, invade our country in violation of Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution, and he advocates the SPP/North American Union to destroy what is left of our country, and you fools say he is strong on national defense! He should be impeached and removed from office, not nominated for anything. Manchurian Candidate, no doubt.

is this a joke
This is a good script for Saturday Night live, it was once said, it better to say nothing and look like a fool then to open ones mouth and confirm it.

LORI 08, the White House needs u

Lorie
I know you put up this column with it's catchy title just to see how low a score you could get. Perhaps you could "out low" Mr. RINO Wir yesterday.

His Only Special Attribute
Writers -- this is the last time I'm going to tell you. Stop saying that McShame is a war hero unless you also label Hitlery or Obamamama are not war heroes. Does his being a war hero speak for anything else in his makeup and what he has been doing for the past couple of decades? Certainly, using war hero and McShame in the same paragraph is a tragedy. Byrd: tell us instead what you think of McShame in context of the list of his associations and actions, for example, as written by commenter BrianR. He is apparently from Ca, a place where people ought to be able to recognize liberals.

No Border Security/No National Security


We the People of the United States of America have the right to have our borders and our laws respected and enforced.

Citizens of other countries illegally in our country have no right to demand anything from our government. They most certainly have the right to petition the governments of their home countries for change if they are unhappy with their home country. If they want to be Americans, we have a path to citizenship, more generous than any other nation, and it starts in their home country.

We need to insist on the equal protection, application and enforcement of the law or devolve into anarchy. Our Republic only functions if everyone follows the same rules. We should not change the laws to accomodate those breaking them.

If America annouces to the world "We can't stop you, so come on in" with another amnesty, the deluge will be overwhelming. If 3,000 a day didn't get your attention, then wait until it's 10,000 a day. We cannot sustain this influx and survive as a nation. We must speak up and speak to each other about this and not let false claims of racism or bigotry be used to intimidate us into silent assent. America is not Congress' to give away. America belongs to We the People. Speak to your neighbors, speak to your coworkers, but please speak up to your Congressmen and Senators. It's O.K. for us to enforce our laws, no really, it is.

Someone please tell Sen. McCain.

What I'm seeing here
is a good deal of "yes, but" reasoning.

Yes, McCain is essentially a moderate-liberal as opposed to a "true" conservative. Absolutely. he is also the only non-radical in the race. Consider the alternatives;

Hillary- Who regards herself as Queen, is demanding a coronation, and hates America with every fibre of her being. She would create another four years of head-in-the-sand foreign policy and "let's get the rednecks" domestic policy, with her endgame being a big financial payoff for herself.

Obama- Who regards himself as a Messiah, is insisting upon an anointment, and seeks "change" for the sake of punishing America for what he perceives as its sins (he regards Israel as one of those, from all indications). He would define "rational" policies as "whatever harms America the most"- on the grounds that we have it coming for our previous sins.

As for McCain- he seems to be the only one who understands that all he's really doing is interviewing to get hired to do a job. An important job, to be sure, but ultimately just a job.

As for those who claim he "failed to learn the lessons of war" in the Hanoi Hilton, they are the ones who have never learned the only lesson that matters. Namely, that you do not go to war unless you intend to win, and when you do, there are no rules, no "safe areas", and no "time-outs" for the enemy. Their idea, that "nothing is worth war" and that "everything can be talked out so there is no need for war", is the conceit that has killed more people throughout history than all the plagues ever visited upon mankind by nature. "Giving the adversary what they want" to avoid war is a bad idea when what they want is you either enslaved or dead.

And McCain seems to be the only one around who understands this, too.

cheers

eon

Vote for Our Country
Well there are things I dislike about McCain, however, I cannot see turning our Nation over to the Liberals just because I don't like everything McCain believes in. There has never been a 100% Conservative in our government, but today we see more 100% Liberals and we need to get them out of office in both the Congress and never let them be President.

Today the Senate will be voting on the Iraq Supplement Bill, this bill needs to be voted DOWN, Dianne Feinstein, Democrate, attached a five (5) year amnesty to illegal agricultureal workers. Call your SENATOR and request they vote NO on this bill or take the attachment out. Call 202-224-3121 and ask for your Senators office and tell them, it is going to be brought before the Senate today, we need to fight against this bill. A good start for all Conservatives to help fight illegal anmsesty.
Joy of Iowa

Public service announcement.

From now until this November, and for your own mental health and well being...

Please put the few, the loud, and the suffering... our constipated conservatives, on ignore.

This should also spare them any additional angst.

This temporary malady should disappear somewhere on or after November 3, 2008... when sanity and tranquility will again be restored to the land.

Thank you for your attention.

NOT QUITE
"John McCain is the only candidate for President with military experience."

Ron Paul is still a candidate, and a true conservative.

DUMP MCCAIN 08

RINO-Gram of the WeeK

I will never vote for John McCain.

He is a Lying Arrogant Liberal.

I could not care less about Party Loyalty.

The GOP has become the Liberal-Lite Party.

Spend spend spend.....

Bigger Government is not better government.

The Federal Governments main job is to protect our Nation.

They have failed miserably!

We are being invaded by 20 million Illegals and growing!

No more GOP for me.

Bob Barr…Bob Barr…Bob Barr...

The reality is --
None of these three losers would actually lift a finger to extricate us from Iraq. McAmnesty's itching for that fight, and the other have already pre-established their alibis for backing out on that shiny campaign promise. And, hey, Lorie -- news flash: To be tough on national security you have to have some concept of border security. I'm putting all three in the "no border security" column, too.

In reality there is NO difference between any of these candidates. I will not vote for the evil of these three lessers. I'm going third-party or not at all.

McCain's train...
...can be derailed at the convention. He does not have enough pledged delegates to win on the first vote. It can be downhill from there.

I've watched and listened to McCain many times. He is not in complete control of his faculties. I watched as my father went through these early stages of senile dementia. McCain may live another four years, but he won't necessarily know where he lives.

Where were the conservatives?
We had three perfectly decent conservatives in the primary - Thompson, Romney, and Hunter. None of their campaigns was flooded with money, fainting volunteers, and votes. I recall many conservatives bitching that they didn't want it enough (Thompson), they weren't ALWAYS a conservative (Romney), or they were a one trick pony nobody (Hunter). OK, fine. Bet any of them look real good right now.

McCain isn't the best, but we have what we have. And I'll take 50% of something over 100% of nothing.



Military experience!
Yeah right. He crashed five jets and killed 132 sailors on the USS Forestall......not including the wounded. He is a spoiled brat, a loser and I am voting for Barr. I was in the Ashau Valley while he was in prison, but I didn't get my buddies killed.

Oh yes,
and McCain will crash America like those five jets.

InsightingTruth

"He is not in complete control of his faculties"


Not to Worry!!!

That's why he has his faithful sidekicks….Joe Liberalman and Lindsey Graham.

Joe is the Caretaker.

Lindsey carries the Diaper bag full of Depends and spittle wipes.

To He(( with the Liberal-Lite GOP

Bob Barr...Bob Barr...Bob Barr...

Perspective
McCain is caught in the backlash of an unpopular President who promised much in the early going concerning the war, and then failed to deliver on those promises. At the same time, he's a part of a political brand which at one time differentiated itself from the Democrats, and now appears remarkably like them. It spent too much, expanded the federal government too rapidly, and began increasingly to imitate the idea of the Democrats, which is that Washington is the solution - not the problem. As if this were not enough, he has taken a series of highly public positions that are anathema to the conservative base within the his own party. The war, in turn, has become a secondary issue for a majority of the voters, who, after over 5 years, are focussing more on what is happening within the US, as opposed to Iraq. Many believe that the failure to control our borders is an equal, if not greater threat than Bin Laden and his brand of terrorists. Further, others believe that the only true threat to the US is memorialized in the famous statement of Pogo - "we have met the enemy, and he is us". Chronic budget deficits that are far higher than at any other period in our history, chronically high balance of payment deficits which are 8X what they were a decade ago, an increasingly weak dollar that is driving up costs of oil, food, and other products we no longer make here, and the promises of $50 trillion in unfunded entitlements whose costs are now rising as the boomers retire, are perceived as far greater threats than Bin Laden and his ilk will ever be.

So, the priorities have changed. Focussing solely on Iraq or Bin Laden will not resolve these other issues. And if we win in Iraq but lose on the rest - we will still lose.


no to McCain
we have survived with chicken-lttle Dem presidents before(Carter) and will do so again(Obama). The criteria to be a president that conservatives support must go way beyond what McCain offers. Taxing us into oblivion with Global Warming threats or dumping millions of illegals onto us as new Democratic voters will not be supported by Conservatives.

The GOP as a party does not not support my values; hence, I sent a check for $0 to the RNC today and told them no funds for the party. I will support individually candidates that reflect my values.

Cont'd
Lorie may be right that McCain is better than Obama. But, at the same time, better than is not likely to solve another issue for conservatives, which is that McCain represents a GOP that they no longer identify with. If McCain is elected, they have the sense that the party will continue its drift away from the principals that they have. If he is not elected, then they hope that it will force the party to rethink it's positions and reclaim the conservative principals that it no longer has.

Lorie's thinking, to some of these, is short term. She is talking about now. They are talking about tomorrow and all of the rest of the tomorrow's.

McCain may be better - or at least more reliable on the war. But, on spending, his promises on global warming, expanding the military, and tax credits for health insurance, as well as all the other promises, will overwhelm whatever pork he manages to weed out - since pork is only 3% of a budget that is over-spending by 20%. As far as abortion and the Supreme Court, this battle, for all pracitical purposes, is most likely lost. Bush got Roberts and Alito onto the Supreme Court precisely because the GOP controlled the house and senate. McCain will not have that luxury. Instead, he will have a solidly democratic house and senate, and will have to lead much as Nixon did. He will run his war, but everything else, including those justices, will have to be a compromise. If he wants to get a Justice nominated, it will have to be someone who is moderate with conservative tendencies, not someone for whom abortion is a litmus test. Lorie, in the end, has no solution for the long term - only the short term. If the GOP continues to look like the Democrats, then the Democrats will be permanently in power, and that will make all the difference.

If you don't vote McCain
Obama and/or Hillary will put two or three more Ginsberg CLONE on the Supreme Court, and the CA ruling on homosexual marriage will be the law of the land

ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE FEMO-GREENO-HOMO-AMNESTY-O--FAIRNESS DOCTRINE-O--HEALTHCARAE-O--AGENDA.

THOSE OF YOU WHO PRIDE YOURSELVES ON MCLAMING MCCAIN ARE JUST THE REVERSE OF THE LIBERAL-WHACKO NEWYORSLIMES AND MSM PREJUDICE--THE US IS ON A PRECIPICE AND YOU JUST WANT TO JUMP OFF.

LZStud:
To be fair, McCain is not culpable for the Forestal accident. He was in the plane the rocket hit, not the one that launched it.

The idea of a McCain presidency horrifies me also, but we must be accurate in our criticisms.

Number One Reason
McCain virulently fought against the Vietnam MIA Organization & the MIA families attempts to get the Vietnam government to co-operate with investigations and retrieval efforts for the recovery of American soldiers remains from Vietnam. He was busy fighting for the normalization of trade with Vietnam during that entire period. On the other hand, he is roll off the edge of the table gung-ho for the Iraq issue. Go figure....

McCain has this bi-polar, schizoid thing going on when it comes to his loyalties. There is no method to his madness and no manner in which one can find justification to trust the man.

Recently, he tells on the campaign trail that he has learned his lesson from the American voters backlash against his McCain/Kennedy Amnesty Bill and then he goes right out and tells La Raza, and other pro-Amnesty clubs, that his positions have not changed at all on illegal immigration. And you say he's the guy???

You're an idiot and John McCain is no more of a prize than Obama or Clinton. Hopefully the Republican Convention will realize how deep & smelly the shizer really is and nominate Duncan Hunter or some other reasonable individual. If they don't fix this McCain mess at the Convention - the Republican Party's best bet is to see if they can become a fraternal organization to the Democratic Party.

Dwain Cleveland

Kill ALL Muslims
All of them. Don't leave one Muslim alive. This is the only way the United States will be safe.

That belief is the logical conclusion of the neocon way of looking at the world. Neocons are so wrapped up in the view that the world dances to America's tune they can't see that other countries and cultures' lives don't revolve around what America does or does not do, does or does not believe. Thus, the whole world is anti-American in their view, including Europe.

The neocons support only force and violence as a way of treating the world. They see Muslims as a threat to America and the only way they approve of dealing with this threat is through exercising superior force of war against them.

Their logic leads inexorably to the conclusion that America should kill all Muslims.

We can't talk to them or we find ourselves on a slippery slope that will end in defeat for America.

This is why McCain should not be elected. We should find him a nice assisted living arrangement with a south facing balcony.

mccain should win
one issue.. one issue????? there are a few more out there that Mcain seems to know nothing about. i understand about Iraq though. Once we get the peace it overrides anything else.
i might buy it if you can answer the following'
are there any conditions under which you can say definitely that there will not be terror and mayhem, and deaths in iraq no matter what you say in some kind od peace declaration. the enemy contraols the time table. anytime they choose they can go undeground ready to spring whenever we leave. this will be true whether we leave today, tomorrow, or in 2013.how can you tell me this is not true when youve been bust trying to convince me for the past 6 years that this is a sly, crafyt, and viciois enemy. they will still be so after we leave and the fact that 2013 is a lucky year for Mccain because it has a 13 in it.
itd be nice if we could sign a peace treaty with somebody and then leave but we wouldnt have the faintest idea with whom to sign one with. ther are what they are today. good lord knows who they would be tomorrow.

McCain
Several thoughts here:
1. No. No vote for another RINO poser. If we choke back the bile and vote for him, we will continue to get RINO candidates from the GOP.
2. I am writing in Ronald Reagan to send a message to the GOP. Not voting doesn't send a message.
3. Renny is mistaken. I am not writing this to provoke a war of words. At this point in our history both major parties recognize the power that judicial appointments hold on the general populace. They use this theme to scare us into voting for them and donating to them. Neither party will stray from a 5-4 balance more than one vote or so. They don't want the citizens to know the day-to-day affairs of the country but they do want us to stay involved in their reelection campaigns. By keeping the heat on they will keep us involved in voting and funding their power grabs. Neither party will stack the deck.
4. The TH editors have it right. By posting dozens of articles like this they keep us busy when we should be writing OP-Ed pieces and getting involved on the local level to derail McCain. They are providing an outlet to keep the hard-core conservatives out of the mix and in their own, little sandbox. It is brilliant.

John McVain
The Number One reason to vote "for" McCain is so we don't get Clinton/Obama. But that is really voting against.

I would love to have someone I could vote for, and John McCain just ain't it.

LIES I TELL YOU, LIES!
Lorie Byrd
If you can, I DARE you to come on here and explain how anyone can claim to be strong on national defense when they will NOT secure the borders of this country! Since you can NOT and most likely will not attempt to cover McQuack on this charge, one star just for posting this I love him, and will help him spread his BS message.
HEY TH, in case you have not noticed, most of the posters on this site who trumpet for McQuack are leftist shills. Does that tell you anything? He is NO conservative!!!
This is another strawman argument same as the supreme court one. It will work just about the same.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

Amazing
It is truly disconcerting that the true conservatives in the Republican Party are constantly harped at by these RINOs, who arrogantly proclaim that we must be loyal to the party, abandon our principles and vote for McCain because the alternative would spell doom for the war on terror. "Reaching across the aisle" is a nice sentiment, however, I would like to see one example of a liberal reaching across the aisle. McCain has been nothing but a tool for the Democrat party for the last several years, and he has not given me any reason to believe that, if he wins the presidency, he will not continue to be a tool. What really shames me, as an American and a Republican, is that these three candidates are actually the best that we can come up with as our leader.

What are the odds...
...of the GOP returning to conservative principles if McCain in elected vs. McCain losing the election in November?

The only area that McCain differs significantly from Obama is the Iraq war, and even on this point I have big disagreements with the GOP nominee. McCain wants to close Gitmo, bring enemy combatants into the US court system, and end aggressive interrogation. Character-wise, he made the clumsy remark about 100 years in Iraq, then complained about Obama mis-using the remark, kind of like when McCain purposely LIED about Romney's remark about time lines in Iraq. So you see, even on the one positive I can say about McCain, it is clouded by a host of negatives.

Even on many other issues where McCain SAYS what I agree with, I do not trust him, to wit:

Conservative justices: he has not indicated an understanding of what strict constructionist means. Does he realize a true strict constructionist would strike down McCain Feingold?

Tax cuts: he has consistently LIED about why he opposed Bush's tax cuts. He now claims it was because of spending, but back then he used the same class warfare language the Dems were using.

Free market: he says these words, but then he wants to control CEO salaries, calls Big Oil "the enemy" and Big Pharm "evil". This simply doesn't compute.

McCain simply ain't to be trusted. He deserves to lose.

PLEASE - I'M BEGGING YOU.....
Do not post any more articles with the line "McCain has credibility becuase he is a maverick/critic/whatever......". No. Sorry. McCain has no credibility. In McCain versus Obama - both candidates will only be as conservative as they think they need to be to win. There is one difference between Obama and McCain. McCain has a proven track record of deceit, and anti-constitutional thought. Obama has no voting track record but is believed to be anti-constitutional.

If McCain wants to win
He has to understand when reaching across the aisle means compromising inalienable principles vs getting a job done. One can't negotiate when it means ending up..say...just a little pregnant. DON'T DO DEALS WITH THE DEVIL.

McCain could win hands down with a three point CAMPAIGN PROMISE:
1. Secure Iraq for the Iraq people then come home.
2. Energy independence within 10 years and to hell with breeding grounds for elk.
3. Secure borders with green card program that allows alien workers and the gov't knows who is here...with no funding from gov't.

If he stuck to this program ... wow...the dollar would soar and the stock market/consumer confidence would pop straight up.

At the risk of sounding repetitive,...
...find out who the delegates are from your area. Make them aware that if they are not locked into voting for McCain, and many are not, they do not have to vote for him on the first ballot. Even many of those that are pledged, are only required to vote for McCain on the first ballot, afterwards they can vote for whomever they please. McCain can be stopped!

He cannot be stopped by arguing endlessly with the fools that support him. But he can be stopped if enough of the unpledged delegates can be persuaded not to vote for him on the first ballot.

Hoping for Hillary
Her "Hillary-care" brought us the Republican Congressional takeover of 94 - I think she can do it again. Maybe there is still a chance.

Hotdog McCain...Maverick
McCain quick started his jet, the flame ignited his rocket and hit his own plane.

Did He Start The USS Forrestal Fire?

Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.


Incompetence Or A Stunt

'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.

Zuni Rockets Were Volatile Design

In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

Rob
Why not? McQuack did it for us. Sounds to me that you are the one doing the whining! Vote independent folks! Do not write in a name as some states do not count them. And that way we are not "voting" for Barrack Muhammad Hussein Obama as Rob puts it. Let’s show whiners like Rob how serious we are about not electing ANY left wing nut for POTUS and that includes McQuack!

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

Isn't It Odd...
...the Mack was touted (by the pop media, of course) as the most "electabele" Republican, with all this appeal to "moderates" who'll flock to him & ake his election certain, yet now we see that he simply can't do it without the conservatives he's gone far out of his way to alienate in every possible way?

The "moderates" nominated him, they can elect him.

Eon writes that Mack isn't radical, yet he's taken some of the most radical and destructive positions imaginable. I fail to understand how alleged "moderates" can stomach the extremism he touts in certain critical areas.

He wants basically open borders, legalization of aliens who snuck in. Radical & extreme, & cntrary to the theory he's got antiterror cred.

He wants the bedrock freedom of speech, press, association, & assembly themselves to be supressed and abridged on the specious and self-serving grounds that when $1 changes hands in the process it's potentially corrupt, exempt from the 1st Amendment, & must be regulated by bureaucrats. Radical & extreme.

He wants permanent energy rationing as demanded by the anthrogenic CO2 induced climate cange dogma. Worse yet, in Oregon he said he wants "cap & trade" even if ACO2ICC were untrue! Radical and extreme.

He values something called "Senatorial comity" over getting good judges confirmed despite dogmatic Democratic obstructionism. Furthermore, he criticized the choice of Alito for SCOTUS. Judgeships open to get more radical extreme activists.

McCain is the dream candidate of the radical Left. He will get a mandate to do these things in the name of conservatives. The only reason for conservatives to vote Mack is out of crying pantiestinkling fear of the Barak bogeyman.

McCain Bashers
I share most of your views on the negative qualities of McCain as a conservative. But every other candidate he faced said they would support the nominee no matter who it was . Who are we to be so smug to say we will stay home and not vote for him?It does matter if a dem. gets in because 4 years of the changes they have planning for 20 will be next to impossible to reverse.
Hold your nose for our country for the next 4 years,then nominate a conservative on his merits not opoularity.Put up or shut up.

Rob 9:24 am
Excellent rebuttal, and thanks for all the positive reasons to vote FOR McCain.

I'm not voting for Obama or McCain. And that is NOT a vote for Obama. McCain (and Obama for that matter) must EARN their votes. This is the year I am taking a stand.

We survived 4 years of Carter and it brought us Reagan. We can survive 4 years of Obama, and maybe it will bring us a truly principled leader for conservative principles.

If we can't survive 4 years of Obama, then we aren't such a strong nation after all. I believe we are. I can wait. It's not about the R (or D).

And I'm not whining. I'm simply putting for my opinion, which I thought was the purpose of this comment board.

Still waiting for compelling reasons to vote FOR McCain...

I was going to say something, but ....
it looks like you all have already covered all the bases well. heh. :)

karoden All Wet
I say no more

Agree...
If you are going to support anyone this election cycle, give your money to conservative candidates for Congress, Senate, Governor. Assume the presidential campaign is a lost cause no matter who wins - you won't be disappointed.

Rob 9:41
"Do you think once he signs a healthcare bill and gets the program rolling that some future "comeback" by conservative Republicans will somehow get it rescinded?"

Do you think McCain would veto such a bill himself? Come on, man! McCain prides himself on reaching across the aisle - of course he would sign such a bill. No difference.

Plus, McCain (and Obama) are both going to break the bank with globalwarming stuff anyway. That will dwarf any health care program.

Do you even admit that there is an inconsistency with McCain where he fights earmarks, but is willing to spend so much for false science? And how much will it cost the government to "get control" of CEO salaries? And fight "Big Oil" and "Big Pharm"?

The #1 Reason McCain Should be POTUS...
... is so Barak Obama won't.

Is that the best you can come up with? Shove a positively putrid candidate at us, then try to scare us into electing him?

This campaign has been a deliberate scheme to marginalize, alienate, and manipulate conservatives & geld them as a political force, by maneuvering them thru fear of the Demmie candidate, while the Republican brings in the whole leftist agenda in his baggage.

Conservatives settling for Mack rewards the manipulators and ensures they'll do it forevermore.

The snippy snarks who tell us Mack is now our guy, we have no choice, can guess again. The panicky begging of some of these columnists, assuming they really are conservatives, makes me think of Stockholm syndrome.

The time to get conservative support for your POTUS run is while you're serving in lesser offices, by taking consrvative positions instead of pulling wackjob stunts to grow government & get you noticed. Our long term prospects are nonexistent if we vote for this radical bomb-thrower out of cowering fear of his opponent. There are other choices.

Maggie
"But every other candidate he faced said they would support the nominee no matter who it was ."

Au contraire. Ron Paul didn't say that at all, nor will he support McCain as long as McCain sticks to his liberal/socialist principles and neither will I.

We got in this mess in our country by voting for the lesser of two evils. I've done it in the past too, but never again. If we don't take a stand and vote for someone that is actually good, all we're doing is voting for the country to keep heading downward. We will never get what we want, if we don't have the intestinal fortitude to vote for it.

What does everyone believe are the base conservative principles? Are you standing up for them? If not now, when?

This is what I was taught were conservative principles, when I was a child. See if you agree and then ask yourself if McCain stands for these. How about others espousing to be conservatives? For me, I'm hearing a whole lot of stuff that INCREASES the size and scope of government, not the other way around. I'm seeing our money being given away all over the world, while our infrastructure here is crumbling. I'm seeing our dollar tank, while the FED prints money out of thin air to back up our federal government's overspending and to bail out banks/homeowners that need to be allowed to fail for their bad decisions. Inflation is ramping up because of this and from what I'm hearing, it's going to get much worse. If we want more of the same, then we should keep letting the mass media and the GOP elite at the top, pick our government.

- Limited constitutional government
- Personal privacy
- Personal responsibility
- Fiscal responsibility in government
- Strong national defense
- Individual liberty

maggie writes:
Hold your nose for our country for the next 4 years,then nominate a conservative on his merits not opoularity.Put up or shut up.

You hold your nose and vote for him, we true conservatives will stand on principle and vote independent, just because we will NOT vote for left wing nuts!
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."
And all we will spill is nothing that we can not fix later.
Put up or shut up yourself!

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

Rob
"I will not follow your lead. I will not throw way my vote to help Obama get in the Whitehouse."

It seems to me that the only vote that is thrown away is the one that didn't represent the voter's principles or beliefs, because he satisficed his vote.

If you don't vote for what you want, you're never going to get it.

Rob
There is no law that can not be rewritten or changed, heck they try to do it to the constitution all the time!

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

It gets
worse.........McShame has convinced Col Bud Day, Medal of Honor recipient, to mortgage his medal to prop up the character of McLame...

Somthing about throwing a Medal of Honor into the political mix that turns my stomach.

LZStud:
I have read many accounts of the Forestal accident, but your post includes details that I have not encountered anywhere else. Your account also contradicts my recollection of the position of McCain's Skyhawk relative to the position of the plane that launched the missile.

I was not present at the event, so I cannot be certain of the truth of your version, or mine. I do know this: McCain is a low grade man. He lacks character. He lies. He does not respect the U.S. Constitution. He gives every appearance of being senile. He does not seem at all bright. Even if none of the losses of aircraft were exactly his fault, he is still a loser. Getting shot down and captured after only a few hours of combat time does nothing to make him a heroic figure. The stories regarding his behavior as a captive are only anecdotes, and are not withot controversy. He is corrupt.

I could not support such a man for any public trust. If I had lived in Arizona, I would have been working for his political defeat for over twenty years.

All this talk about McCain is a waste of keystrokes. He cannot win in November. It is not those that oppose McCain that are handing the White House to Obama, or Hillary; it is those that are too blind to see the reality of the situation, those that support his weak and ultimately unsuccessful candidacy that are handing the White House to party that hates America.

the active soldiers do not support him..
many veters do not support him, many coservatives do not support him and you think DEMOCRATS are going to support him?
ROTFLMAO!!

OPPS
Special thanks to the great patriot, Thomas Jefferson for the above quote!

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

Proud Liberal
Obviously you haven't read the Koran or studied any history. That of course, is to be expected from a "Proud Liberal". As Forst Gumps mother proclaimed " Stupid is as stupid does"; or in your case pontificates.

Your post was most entertaining and please do continue at your earliest opportunity. Posts such as yours are proof positive that "Proud Lliberals" really do need to stay on their medication.

Doc - IN: You are my kind of guy. There are some few of us that can see what is coming. Your quote, from our Nations early history, tells all there is to tell. Made my day a little brighter.

D. Cleveland

Rob/Maggie
I respect your views - but remember, this is a Conservative message board. Words such as GOP and Democrat are incidental to this board. Like many, I'm looking carefully at not just the short term, but the mid and long term. Carter and his VP did not get re-elected - Reagan did. McCain does not represent most of the views of many conservatives. Obama represents even fewer - granted. The GOP changed from a positive message that differentiated the party to a message that is, in many ways, identical to the party they claim to be different from. This is not just about McCain, although to some it apparently is. It's about the party which he will lead. Bush led that party into confusion over principals, and I see little to indicate that McCain will be different. A vote for McCain is not just a vote for McCain - it's a vote for the GOP and for what it has become. And that, friends, is a very tough vote to give. If, after all, I confirm the party as it is with that vote, then, I can expect nothing but the same - in spades - downstream. If I reject the party as it is by denying it that vote - then, perhaps, I can hope for some change. On the one hand I'll get nothing, on the other hand I will have at least the hope. Some choice - but it's the only one I have.

CHOICES
Everyone here is scoring points, but only Chuckinator has really suggested an answer- vote Libertarian for Bob Barr! He is much less a compromise than the democrat with the (R) after his name.

Doc, I said I agree
with most of your reasons not to vote for McCain.But..recovery from Obama will be a tougher row to hoe,or impossible. With McCain there would be "less possible" mandates and laws to repel or live with. I'm not in the tank for McCain,but I am for the Conservative Republican Party. We must pick our battles and fight with what we have,or just disagree ,write blogs full of venom to fellow conservatives and basicly do little for the now.

The McCain Paradox
Dear Ms. Byrd:

The Nunber One reason John McCain should not be President:

Fact is, John McCain, honored war hero, is a political coward. Just as he has for years, Sen. McCain recently on the David Letterman Show once again railed against Donald Rumsfeld for a "terribly mismanaged" Iraq War.

But, in doing so, Sen. McCain once again lacked the courage to acknowledge the fact that Pres. Bush as the man who calls the shots, appointed and stood by Rumsfeld for four years, ignoring criticism from his own party, even as casualty tolls mounted by the hour.

Also Mr. McCain continues to tout the "surge" in Iraq as a success, while ignoring the fact the "surge" was a consequence of the failure of the Iraq War during Rumsfeld's tenure as Pres. Bush's Secretary of Defense.

As long as 26 months ago the late Town Hall columnist and Conservative leader William F. Buckley, Jr., unlike John McCain, declared the Iraq War to be "Pres. Bush's failure."

The reluctance of Sen. McCain to hold the President accountable for Rumsfeld's Reign of Error and the Iraq War mess make for a John McCain paradox: Military hero, political wuss.

Rob
Good posting.

It has been said that "There's nothing so permanent as a temporary government program."

And of course, no one in favor of govt healthcare is calling it temporary to begin with.

The Dems want to overhaul everything in this country. Esp. Obama. I agree we'll "survive Obama," but it is incredibly naive to assume he'll be followed by a Reaganesque savior.

I understand the desire for our representative govt to represent US. The libs want it to be very liberal. Conservative vice-versa. Unfortunately for conservatives that is pie-in-the-sky at this time in our country's history.

Not so for the Dems. If either of their candidates is elected--remember they are also likely taking the whole congress in '08, and likely appointing up to 3 SC judges over the next 4 yrs.--conservatives will have so much more ground to make up it will make Carter's wake look like a faint ripple in a kiddie pool!!

Rob
My bad. That is a big question and depends on one thing in the end. We would need close numbers of the kind of people who are voting and where they stand. For example, how many are lazy and want to live on other people’s money, or, are there more who want to stand on their own two feet and fight for their right to keep what they earn and not have to hand it over to the giverment and the lazy people. You would also need the number of people who want to give your money away, as they would most likely vote with the lazy people. Many variables here to consider also. So in answer to your question, we can change laws back IF we have the numbers and will not if we don’t.
I am an American conservative and must stand on principle, always have and always will.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

not much difference....
if John McCain is so much stronger on national defense, why is he speaking to LaRaza, and why does he want to give amnesty to anyone.. regardless of their legal standing?

McCain isn't consistant in his reasoning. That makes him dangerous in a position with the importance of POTUS.

Bush for all his faults, has set the terrorist back quite a bit, would it take 4 years for them to rebuild? I don't know, but if the conservatives want my vote they will need to come up with a better reason than fear mongering. I'm also nervous around McCain's staffer Juan Hernandez.

Which issues?
“Rep. Barr and the ACLU disagree on many other issues, but we have no doubt that a strange bedfellows collaboration between us will yield great things for informational and data privacy rights,” said Laura W. Murphy, Director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office.

Who's at fault?
How did the courts come to wield so much power? Are only "liberals" responsible for activist judges?

InsightingTruth
So Barr's belief in putting inforamtion out in public disqualifies him? This is minor, being a liberal open border loser is major. Your call, but I'm NOT voting for the other 3!
DITTOHEADX, ORANGE, TX

CINO
If McCain upsets your delicate balance well too bad. The republican voters decided and that's the way it is.

Some use the term RINO. Let me coin a term CINO: Citizens In Name Only.

Old John is it. Get over it unless you want 8 years of Hussein.

DITTOHEADX
How does voting for a candidate with no chance of winning (Bob Barr, Ron Paul, etc.) further the conservative cause? By "sending a message"? "Voting your conscience"?

Is feeling good about standing on your principles and sticking them in the eye of your fellow countrymen while we all try to "survive Obama" and await our conservative Messiah really what voting comes down to for the "true conservstives" among us?

Funny, what drew me inexorably to a conservative mindset (after surviving my liberal public school education) was the sense that it was based on a more realistic, mature understanding of reality than what liberals have to offer....

It seems that logic evade people of all political stripes.

Like my mother always told me, it takes all kinds to make up the world. Which in turn means it takes all kinds to make up political parties!!

I'm voting for McCain!!

Change
I'm also not panicked over the next 4 years, as some seem to be.

To start with, whoever the next President is, their foreign policy will be entirely tied down with Iraq and Afghanistan. They have no other forces, and very few options. Even on Iran, we've already seen that Bush, for the last 3 years, has only talked, because we can do little else short of a blackade or an aerial bombardment of some sort. Our presence in Iraq has not caused any change in Iran, precisely because Iran knows this. Secondly, the issue of the Justices arise. However, that issue is rarely put in the context of the fact that Bush had a GOP house and senate, whereas the next one will have a Democratic house and senate. The types of justices that will pass the Senate - will change. Abortion will not be the litmus test accepted by the senate. The third issue is the economy. However, unless these candidates deal with spending and entitlements, it will not change appreciably. In fact, given commitments by Obama and McCain to expand the military and deal with health care - spending will expand - and cutting pork won't remotely pay for these expansions in spending. Meaning, we will continue to have high budget and trade deficits and a weak dollar. None, after all, have said a word about the dollar - have they? Which also means energy costs will remain high. It is not, ironically, a change election. The US is not going to improve much - nor change much - no matter who the President is. The table is already set. We have dealt ourselves this particular hand - and we are trapped in these policies and priorities.

John McCain cannot become the next pres.
I am not a Libertarian but Bob Barr has done a service for the United States by running for president! Conservatives now can vote for a “truer conservative,” than McCain.
What has happened to the Republican Party? Even Newt has gone to the dark side with the global warming hoax!

No doubt, that voting for Bob Barr will give Obama the White House. Nevertheless, if democrat/socialist policies are going to be promoted then let someone that has democrat/socialist title be responsible for the consequences!

McCain is counting on conservatives to vote for him because he believes that we will not want to see the democrat in the White House. However, if conservatives vote for him it will set the Reagan Revolution back another generation. Can those of us that claim to love the great conservative Ronald Reagan and, what he did for us, violate our consciences by voting for liberal McCain? Conservatives must not only defeat the left wing we must defeat the Nixon/Rockefeller wing of the Republican Party! Let these elitist do what Jay Rockefeller did and join the other elitists that comprise the democrat party!

McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Leiberman. Leadership like this the country can do without. Carbon taxes, constitutional rights for Gitmo detainees and amnesty for illegal aliens await us no matter who wins!

Therefore, we must prepare for the pain of another Jimmy Cater, so that the Reagan Revolution will again rise out of the wilderness and bring pride in, and common sense to the United States of America!

May God Help the United States of America!

DITTOHEADX:
You missed my point. I ask the question, because, some on this site are using an unqualified accusation of association with the ACLU to attack Barr. I do not know too much about Barr, but I am open to him as an alternative to the socialist trio being offered by the republicrats.

What specifically does anyone have against Bob Barr? Guilt by association is not quite cutting it!

Republicans decided?
covenant

I don't believe real republicans decided anything! Democrats (using the same plan Rush adapted!) picked this RINO/CINO as OUR candidate! If you are willing to abandon all principles and elect him, that's your idiot mistake. It won't be mine!

DITTOHEADX Orange, TX

Redlac
"The US is not going to improve much--nor change much--no matter who the President is."

Sorry, Redlac, this is terribly naive. If this were true, then why even have a president? Not to mention that the Dems will likely control both houses of Congress after this election, which means up to three judges appointed by Obama sailing through in his first term alone.

And as I think Rob pointed out above, he could well serve two terms and have his VP well-positioned for a subsequent term

Personally I think we all owe a huge debt of gratitude to Monica Lewinsky for rescuing us from a Gore at the helm on 9/11. Whatever mistakes were made under W. over the last 7+ years, I'm grateful to suffer them rather than what would have been under Al Gore.

With this as "hindsight" I'm CHOOSING McCain over either Dem.

That's what voting is. Choosing.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good!

I believe it was no less than Ronald Reagan whose strategy was to vote for the most conservative ELECTABLE candidate! Right now, like it or not, that person is JOHN MC CAIN!

momlady
"How does voting for a candidate with no chance of winning (Bob Barr, Ron Paul, etc.) further the conservative cause? By "sending a message"? "Voting your conscience"?

Is feeling good about standing on your principles and sticking them in the eye of your fellow countrymen while we all try to "survive Obama" and await our conservative Messiah really what voting comes down to for the "true conservstives" among us?"

The last time we satisficed, Jorge was elected. TWICE. He has done more damage to this country than even Clinton did and that's saying a lot. History has proven that when a Republican is in office, regardless of whether he is a flaming liberal, Republicans go to sleep. Only 2% of what Bush has done would have gone through without conservatives raising holy hell, had he had a D at the end of his name. So NO, I won't vote for another wolf in sheep's clothing. Never again! And if you want to blame someone for the shape our country is in, take a good look in the mirror. You got what you voted for.

If we won't stand up for our conservative principles and vote for the best person (one who shares our conservative principles and has demonstrated such through ACTION and votes, not just rhetoric) then WE are the problem and we will never reinstate conservatism in this country. In fact, these jokers who call themselves conservative, but do the exact opposite, have hurt the conservative movement immensely. Can you not see that?

McCain better than...
...[the official] Dem candidates.

True, under McCain, we'll go down the tubes a little more slowly -- but we're going down. Frankly, I think it's best, if we are going to hit bottom, to hit it as quickly as possible with the hopes we can start back up sooner.

In good conscience, I cannot vote for the top spot on he 2008 ticket: what ever disaster these schlubs bring about, it won't be with my vote.,

Thanks
InsightingTruth
Thanks for the clarification and support! Bob E.: Thyanks for stating the case in more detail, even though I can't quite accept your defeatist attitude and assumptions. We can make a difference if we stand together!
DITTOHEADX Orange, TX

Feel the unity here
We cannot go outside our party and vote to fix it. Reconstruction comes from the inside out. Conservatives have a responsibility to inform and reassure the public and fellow conservatives.We need to focus on the local seats from dogcatcher up and fill every possible seat. Over the next 4 years there will many seats vacated for one reason or another and with our hard work and resolve they can be filled with conservatives.
Now is not the time to come apart at the seams like the liberals. The conservative movement cannot self destruct or implode upon itself. Defeat in the last elections that seemed a shoe-in should make us more determined because reading all these posts and others it definitely got our attention. We are all frustrated and hopefully more driven to succeed.

Just a question or two
After their performance, do the Republicans deserve reelection?
Have the liberals ever deserved being elected?

I have my answers - a pox on both - vote for
Bob Barr, or write in Newt Gingrich, or anybody but the "lesser of the evils".

The best Line This Month
Peggy Noonan has the best line from a pundit this month. Not only did she call the Republican Party leaders stupid, but she came up with this little zinger as well:

This was a real wakeup call for us," someone named Robert M. Duncan, who is chairman of the Republican National Committee, told the New York Times. This was after Mississippi. "We can't let the Democrats take our issues." And those issues would be? "We can't let them pretend to be conservatives," he continued. Why not? Republicans pretend to be conservative every day.

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html


bucshot
Newt has sold out as well.

Barr
Bob Barr is not the conservative alternative to McCain. Anyone with such a cowardly foreign policy is not a conservative. Ditto for any drug-legalization advocate.

Meth-monsters for Bob Barr!

Maggie
I agree. We need to stay in the GOP and fix it from the ground floor up. But, it does NOT mean that we need to vote for the socialist McCain. We're never going to put conservatism back in the GOP, if we vote for a liberal Republican.

It's time to take a stand.

Maximilian
Uh... preemptively nuking countries who have not attacked our own country, nor pose an imminent threat is NOT conservative. Furthermore, he's not FOR drugs; he is against big government telling us when to wipe our own rear ends.

Do you want smaller government, or don't you?

By the way, has everyone read Barry Goldwater Sr.'s, "Conscience of a Conservative"? If not, I highly recommend it.
http://www.amazon.com/Conscience-Conservative-Madison-Ameri can-Politics/dp/0691131171/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books& qid=1210951711&sr=1-1

That, and Ron Paul's new book, which is #1 on the New York Times Besteller list, called "The Revolution". Barry Goldwater, Jr. has endorsed the book and Dr. Paul.
http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446 537519/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210951682&sr=8- 1

Liberty,"take a stand"
What does that mean ? Not vote? Without our base Obama may very well the President..I shudder to think

The lesser of two evils is over
The only thing that will save the nation is to stand on and vote on principle. We have other options and choices, and if enough folks get up the courage to vote third party/independent, we can generate the awareness and support we will need to regain control of our beloved nation in 2012! The idea not to do so becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, i.e. independents can't win so don't vote independent.

If you are interested in an active discussion of this independent movement, visit FireSociety.com where a vibrant discussion of exactly this issue is now occuring. Two articles on that site, "An FS consensus candidate?" and "Republican Bloodbath in November" are discussing the options of what we can do to get moving. Check them out.

We need to unify our efforts if we are going to reclaim our inheritance. We need to move beyond talk and into action! Otherwise, what are we doing? Thanks, Joe

I have HEARD you!
Voting for and contributing to the Republican Party and the left wing candidates they tell us are our only choice if we don't want a democrat elected is helping to take this country down.
I, for one, will not be fooled anymore!
The change may not be fast but it can start with me and the others I see here who have seen the Republican Party move to the left and tell us to sit down, shut up, and send money to support it.
Well my friends, I have HEARD you too!

For those who still don’t understand...
For those who still don’t understand why so many Americans have become disgusted with the politics of today, they need look no further than the current primary campaigns. This has been going on for about 40 years. Our political system itself is now so corrupted from special interest groups and pandering to political correctness that it may never recover. This is wrong and if not corrected, will continue to cause this divided country much pain and divisions in the future.

This political season is very disturbing; I do not like any of the Republican or Democrat presidential candidates. This election will go down to the wire, with each one of us having to choose between the lesser of two evils. Your vote does count and you should be voting for the candidate that best reflects your values and views of what makes this country so great and unique. Remember that this uniqueness is truly a reflection of its people and what they stand for.

“We the People” must stand-up for what is right and voting speaks loud and clear. “We the People” must take back America, else we a doomed to losing it.

I can never vote for Obama or Hillary. Not because he is black and she is a woman, but because neither one is qualified. I believe each of us should control our own destiny, not some government functionary that only wants two things from me…my vote and my hard earned money.

Government should be providing us with the tools and opportunities to pursue our destinies, instead of creating more nanny states dependencies that do not do anything except require more dependency upon government.

Honor, duty and loyalty to one’s self and country, you will not find in either Obama or Hillary. Their “Code of Conduct” does not even come close to that lived by John McCain.

May God continue to bless and watch over America and our troops!

Republicans and Democrats...
...have alternated control of court appointments for some one hundred fifty years. It is irrational to blame only the Democrats for the current mess.

Momlady
I'm looking at the last 8 years, not as a success, but as a failure of the GOP - and, I'm exploring how to change that. You are, apparently, very comfortable with a left leaning GOP. A party that increased federal spending from $1.88 trillion to $3.25 trillion - something no Democrat ever dreamed of doing. A party that federalized education. A party that added entitlement spending at a time when we could not pay for the ones we had. A party that carried the principal responsibility for adding $4.2 trillion to the national debt - as pointed out by the Heritage Foundation. A party that stood by while the trade deficit ballooned upward from $100 B in 97, to over $800 B today. A party that has, apparently, abandoned the idea of a strong currency - since we've heard nothing on this issue from that party. And, a party and President that did everything it could to pass amnesty legislation.

I will give you one thing. A president can make a difference. But the difference that Bush, and the GOP leadership made in the last 8 years, was to take the GOP from a majority party - back to minority status.

You believe you made the right choice. But you don't know that. After all, McCain has Gore's vision on global warming, it is unlikely Gore would have spent money in any larger amounts than Bush and the GOP leadership, and the only necessary war was Afghanistan and Al Queida. Iraq was the one Bush proposed and pursued subsequent to ousting the Taliban. At the time - unless you forget - there was no debate at all in the US about invading Iraq. It was little more than a fringe issue that had no support.

You cannot right the GOP ship by voting for McCain. You can only perpetuate it. And that, apparently, is what you've decided to do.

Which is fine. I, however, haven't made that decision.

Vic:
Wouldn't you like to hear Newt's reasoning behind his decision to sing the global-warming fascists' mantra?

InsightingTruth
I have read his speech about it and heard him talk about it with a Fox reporter.

It was BS.

Fear Is McCain's Only Hope
It's working on some here.


Not on me. Voting third party.

Nice try Lorie
As admirable as McCain's military service to his country has been I'm afraid that his political record since then has not been. A war hero does not necessarily a good POTUS make. I'm not buying this one. He ostensibly would continue fighting in Iraq while leaving our southern border leaking like a sieve. Terrorists and explosives can easily slip across that border. He was going to persist in ramming Bush's "comprehensive" amnesty bill down our throats until he and Teddy were literally beaten back politically by the public.

the write obviously believes...
military service equates to being pro America. While I agree that the large majority of the military are lovers of country and the most patriotic among us doesn't mean that that alone would qualify them for the Presidency.

McCain has done nothing to indicate that he is anti abortion other than claim to be pro life. He also claims to be a conservative in the Reagan mold and places an R behind his name to prove it.

As for controlling spending, his support for the "cap and trade" scheme will amount to a gigantic tax hike on consumers and by the EPA's own study would add as much as $1.50/gallon to the price at the pump. This new revenue will lead to more massive spending by Congress who is about to approve a budget for FY09 that pushes non-defense discretionary spending to just under One Trillion Dollars, as heard yesterday on CSPAN's broadcast of the Senate's debate on the 2009 budget.

More info from the CBO can be found at the following link and going to The Inhofe EPW Press Blog.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm

Vic:
It had to be BS. The whole global warming argument is just so much BS. I have not read or heard any statement from Newt regarding what motivated him to make such a stupid commercial. Are we supposed to conclude that it is okay for McCain to sleep with Democrats, because Newt is willing to hold hands with Pelosi and romp thorough climate change fantasy land?

The GOP has left us
Rob in post 45 you wrote that we're being disloyal by voting for a 3rd party.

Well, I'm a conservative/libertarian first. I usually vote Republican because it's been the best way to limit the size of Government. That hasn't been the case the past few years.

To paraphrase Reagan, the GOP has left me, not the other way around.

Apollo
Agree with you vis a vis Mr. Obama's foreign policy "doctrine" (which seems to be just made up out of things that sound good).
Genius indeed. Strategy? Negotiation?
I know some people who'd like to play poker with him!
He'd show his opponents his hand first, then start the betting.

Obama better than McCain?
Lorie, in post 7 you wrote:
"I have yet to hear a convincing argument that Obama would be a better president for conservatives than McCain."

Here's my argument: Obama would do less permanent damage than McCain. The reason is that the republicans in congress will fight Obama if he tries to move the country left. If McCain is POTUS, the GOP won't fight him on anything (see the last 7 years for evidence), and the Democrats will fight him only when he moves right. McCain loves to make a deal, so left we go...

I think Obama will prove to be even less competent than Jimmy Carter. He'll have half of a term with a rubber-stamp congress, then hopefully half a term with a renewed GOP CONSERVATIVE majority in the house and/or senate, then he'll be gone.

As Bob said in #34, we survived Carter & got Reagan.

The GOP congress performed fairly well against Clinton.

Also, once Obama gets in office, reality will set in - his claims about leaving Iraq quickly will become empty promises once his advisors explain to him what the deal is.

Obama will not be the end of the world.

Answer this
What will the GOP (and McCain) learn from conservatives (and about conservatism) if he wins the eecteion in November? How will this force the GOP to start thinking about moving back to the right (less government, etc)?

reasons to CELEBRATE Bush and McCain
Here are some reasons to celebrate Bush's Presidency and McCain's victory:

1. We should celebrate Bush's 1st term because it was not Al-Gore's 1st term.

2. We should celebrate Bush's 2nd term because it was not John Kerry's 1st term.

3. We should celebrate (and pray for) John McCain's 1st term, so it won't be Obama's 1st term.

McCain is lackluster; Obama is dangerous...

Republican left
I've been disgusted ever since the Republican candidate who would've been best equipped to handle our current and short term problems dropped out primarily because the so-called evangelicals were too worried, but not worried enough to actually research, without bias, his religion, and framed him non-Christian. Romney was the candidate who wouldn't accept the pay, didn't need the pay, but was self-aware of skills he possessed to actually make a difference. With respect to how much money he has, well, I believe most pro atheletes and actors live more lavishly than he does. He was genuinely concerned about our nation and probably wished Massachusetts laws weren't used to besmirch him.

John McCain should be very careful about who he has as his running mate because conservatives will need additional motivation to actually take the time to vote. McCain has proven to be such a kissass to the leftist liberal I believe he has become one.

Maggie
"Subject: Liberty,"take a stand"
What does that mean ? Not vote? Without our base Obama may very well the President..I shudder to think"

I don't want him either. I can still see those flags with Che Guevara's picture on them hanging in his Houston campaign office. But, McCain is not much better. He's a big government socialist Maggie and you know it. He has earned a big fat "F" from Gun Owners of America for his 2nd Amendment practices; he supports amnesty, regardless of his talk of late. Look a who he has on his staff and the fact that he's attending the LaRaza conference in San Diego in May. He votes for bigger government every chance he gets and cozies up to most any liberal he meets. He's absolutely horrible and doesn't remotely resemble anything that we could call, conservative.

What I mean by taking a stand is saying... ENOUGH, getting very involved in putting real conservatives in office from dog catcher on up, even if it means for US to run ourselves; staying involved in the GOP and getting true conservatives in position of power. ie. taking the party back to conservatism. To me, it also means that I will not vote for anyone promoting big government and everything that involves, regardless of what letter he/she has behind his/her name. I will be voting for either Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin.

InsightingTruth
Here is what he wrote on his site:

Many of you have written to me to ask why I recently taped an advertisement with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for The Alliance for Climate Protection, a group founded by former Vice President Al Gore.

I completely understand why many of you would have questions about this, so I want to take this opportunity to explain my reasons. First of all, I want to be clear: I don't think that we have conclusive proof of global warming. And I don't think we have conclusive proof that humans are at the center of it.

But here's what we do know. There is an important debate going on right now over the right energy policy, the right environmental policy, and making sure we do the right things for our future and the future of our children and grandchildren. Conservatives are missing from this debate, and I think that's a mistake. When it comes to preserving our environment for future generations, we can't have a slogan of "Just yell no!"

I have a different view. I think it's important to be on the stage, to engage in the debate, and to communicate our position clearly. There is a big difference between left-wing environmentalism that wants higher taxes, bigger government., more bureaucracy, more regulation, more red tape, and more litigation and a Green Conservatism that wants to use science, technology, innovation, entrepreneurs, and prizes to find a way to creatively invent the kind of environmental future we all want to live in. Unless we start making the case for the latter, we're going to get the former. That's why I took part in the ad.

Thank you for reading and visiting Newt.org

Newt

The problem is that by appearing in the ads and even in his response to criicism he is surrendering to fraudulent science and lies. I suppose he is for the influence peddling scam favored by the democrap wing of the Republican party.

Tired of holding my nose when I vote
I'm really tired of holding my nose when I vote. I don't want to vote for another RHINO.

McCain almost had me until he made his global warming policy speech. The cap-and-trade scheme he proposes is the worst possible solution to a problem that we can't really solve. (Most climate change is natural. Let's focus on real problems, like pollution and energy independence).

I'm not sure I'll vote for McCain. Some more policy blunders like that and I definitely won't.

Sorry Lori...
...I freely admit that, for reasons of my own, I will be voting for McCain. But I will not and cannot, bring myself to try and convince other conservatives to do the same.

This may well be the number one reason to vote for Mac but there is no number two or three or four......

With only one reason to hang my hat on it makes it a very weak sell to try to make to others.

I'm not even sold on the whole SCOTUS appointments arguement not seeing anything in his approach to domestic policy that leads me to believe his picks for the court would be anything but lackluster at best, especially given he knows they would have to face a Democrat Congress for approval.

it's a free country


Nobody can make you do what you have already decided to do; even before seeing (at least) who McCain chooses for his running-mate.

I find that a significant sign; hugely significant about McCain's detractors. They won't even wait for the name of an American he'll choose as the Vice-President; NOT UNLIKELY to become our succeeding President.

No-- their decision is done; over, fehgettabouttit! McCain at 72 is not unlikely to die in office; (I hope not) so that another man (or a woman) might assume our nations' highest office. OR, be elected by us in 2012. We ought to wait & see if that person hasn't that potential, before any decisions. It's just common sense.

Not that he would please ME; should he name Huckabee or Romney or (gasp) Thompson. i hope it can be Sanford of South Carolina; even maybe a black candidate who has conservative creds.

I can imagine who Obama will name as his VP --it won't make conservatives happy. Maybe it'll be NM Gov. Richardson (a well-experienced at least)--LIBERAL and Hispanic.

There you are. Try and block amnesty if that comes to pass, Fence-Huggers.

I vote NO Obama, under any circumstances. I vote PRO-LIFE, Low taxes, reduced spending, Victory in Iraq, conservative Supremes, A MAN as Commander-in-Chief,

. . . not the Left's Siamese Cat Who Walks Like A Man. (There's quite a difference, Republicans. just open your cheesey eyes!)

-

I know what Obama is
The problem is that I also know what McCain is, and I can't in good conscience vote for the man. He is not to be trusted. He is inconsistent - you can't tell what he is going to do. His current stances indicate a glowing illiteracy about economics in general and free market in particular, and strict constructionism. He tosses bones out, presumably to satisfy those conservatives, while going full bore with leftist liberal positions, apparently to woo the liberals. If you have the time, start estimating what his policies will cost the US economy: illegal immigration, no ANWR or nuclear or new refineries, controlling CEO pay, fighting the enemy Big Oil and evil Big Pharm, fighting globalwarming, controlling healthcare via free market (whatever that means). Sure, he will fight earmarks, but with all these new programs, we may as well spit in the ocean. Nope, if a liberal is going to occupy the White House, it should have a D next to its name.

John McCain
The lesson John McCain learned about Vietnam is that when you cut and run a lot of people die. It is amazing to me how quickly people forget how little prestige the United States had in the late 1970s.

VVAM
I'm not a McCain fan. That said, all you morons that are referencing the Vietnam Veterans against McCain better look closely at the website. I can tell that it's the liberals answer to the anti-Kerry groups from a few years ago except I don't believe there are many (or any) real veterans running the site. No veteran would allow the words "Congressional Medal of Honor" on their screen. It is the Medal of Honor, not "Congressional."

3 Democrats running. . .
Yesterday I was thrilled to read that a very smart Christian-- declared that he is running for president!! AT LASt-- I felt that my prayers have been answered.
If you have not yet heard of WILLIAM KOENIG
you need to get in the run and learn all about him.
He is very savvy about Washington--- I believe he is the one who could very well BE our candidate. By far, McCain is NOT representing me and my conservative views. He is too much of a democrat-- I will not even honor him with the name 'Rino'-- he is far beyond that.
Scares me to think of him in the WH.

He is so close to the other 2 dems running... no difference at all. Except that he is not a woman, OR a muslim! ! ! !
GO William Koenig!!!!!!!

dear ellia,
Sorry to have to tell you:

Your prayers haven't been answered. I am praying too;

That no new twister ruins your happy delusions.

A vote 4-anyone-but-McCain=vote-4-Obama
I won't vote for Obama; I will vote against him.

Congratulations, McCain... you win my hold-your-nose-and-vote endorsement...

... what a dark age for American politics...

Wake up!!!
The next president will be McCain, Obama, or Clinton. Voting for anyone else will be a wasted vote. If conservatives think a Democrat will better support their values, then vote for a Democrat. This conservative will be voting for McCain, in spite of his faults.

Re: Rob
Rob, Either way a democrat will be tearing down our country with the plans McCain has in store.
So I prefer to let the admitted democrat take the blame rather than one who calls himself a Republican.

Redlac
You're assuming that I'm comfortable with a laundry list of Republican failures over the past 7+ yrs. No, just more afraid of what Gore would have done (or not done) in the wake of 9/11.

I have liberal friends who at the time said to me, "What would happen if we just did nothing (in response to 9/11)?" (Stunning!)

You're right, I suppose that I cannot PROVE I made the right choice to vote for Bush over Gore and again over Kerry. But I can make an educated guess that it was the best available option.

Plus the assertion being made by so many here that congress is more likely to fight the leader if he has a "D" after his name won't be close to the truth if the Dems take congress back completely--which they seem perfectly poised to do.

In addition there are those pesky SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENTS to be made. (I don't think we'd have Alito and Roberts with Gore or Kerry!)

You seem upset that I "can't see" that my approach doesn't, as you see it, help the "conservative movement." Perhaps you are right about this.

As I see it the country is first and the conservative movement second. Perhaps that is a dividing line for many of us who've chosen the "conservative" moniker.

Then again, esp. when I think of SCOTUS appts, I don't think my approach undermines the conservative movement as much as you suggest.

Good food for thought, hmmmm? I hope we can at least agree on that....

I'd Rather Be in Alaska #125
Couldn't agree more.

I'm praying for a McCain victory!

Redlac, Liberty
Sorry Redlac, I confused some of your response to me with that of Liberty.

Liberty, consider my above post to Redlac also addressing your concerns.

I will also add that I have no need to "blame someone for the shape our country is in." While I know there are problems I don't guess I'm as angry as you are about--what exactly is it that makes you so angry that you're getting so "take a good look in the mirror" about to a stranger who happens to share enough of your values to be reading and posting on TH?

As for voting for the one who shares your conservative principles and acts upon them, I refer you again to the Reagan approach: Vote for the most conservative person running who has a chance to win. I repeat, like it or not, that person right now is John McCain.

a man with common sense
Holy Smoke; common sense!

If you had any you wouldn't say:

"The only area that McCain differs significantly from Obama is the Iraq war, and even on this"

Hello ?

Abortion on demand?
Tax and spend?
Experience?
Military service?
Courage?
Cut taxes reduce spending?
Veto earmarked legislation?

Marked differences if you have the sense to investigate each case.


Can't go there
I can not vote for McCain. He is a liberal. PERIOD! Yammer on all you want about SC Justices. He will appoint liberal Justices. He will not appoint consitutionalists. So forget that scare tatic.

He wants to fight in Iraq forever. Winning is not in his playbook. Distroying the U.S. military is. He will fight without fighting. It's obvious from his views on Gitamo. He wants the U.S. to fight with our hands tied behind our backs. This man will distroy our millitary and our will. All you have to do is listen to what he says.

War hero? No! He sat out the war in a prison camp singing his heart out to the enemy. He turned his back on the other POW & MIAs. This is what you are now calling a war hero?

He has no interest in securing our borders from criminals, terrorists, drugs, deseases, or anything. By these actions he is telling us he has NO interest in national security. How much clearer can he get?

He is all over the fake AGW. He has NO interest in national proserity. He is more than willing to sell this country out from under us.

If this is who the Republican Party is willing to accept as president. I want nothing further to do with the dead Republican Party. It died under Bush. McCain will be the funeral director.

Vote however you want. I will not vote for McCain, Obama, or Hillary. If there was ever a time to vote a 3rd party this is the time.

The only hope we have is if the PTB in the Republican Party face reality at the convention and nominate a conservative instead of McCain. If not the convention will be nothing but a wake for the Republican Party.

SHORT MEMORIES
Now,that we have been free of terrorist attacks these many years...everyone wants to attack the Republican party..Did you forget how terrified you were on that day??? Typical Americans..want instant gratification and loose any interest in anything that can't be resolved in 30 days..Thank GOD for the faithful service of our military..they believe in OUR COUNTRY and the good works that allow You and I to sleep in peace every night..IT is a well known fact that the next attack, given a weak defense, will make the last attack look like a picnic..We do not have the luxury of time for Obama to cut his teeth in the Oval Office...Let him grow up and show up some accomplishment that enables us to trust his EXPERIENCE to lead our nation..he has too much bad baggage and can't be trusted, all he's shown is that he's affiliated with a minister who practices anti-American lifestyle, advocates racism and hatred of whites..Ayers, Hamas, the Kenyan connection...JUST OVERWHELMING negativity...NO OBAMA

The GOP is Pimping We The People
once again, like sheeple, we're playing right into their hands buyingtheir tireless, endless, agitpropist, fearmongering pap. It's getting old, folks! When will any of you EVER take a stand for Conservatism? What principles, if any, do any of you even believe in anymore, for crying out loud??? You are all so stuck in your defeatist Chicken Little mindsets like scared little children when lightning strikes.
WHERE IS YOUR SPINE? WHERE IS YOUR GUTT? WHERE IS YOUR FIGHT? WHO IN THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE, ANYMORE, IF YOU STAND FOR JUST DEFEATING THE OTHER PARTY? MANY OF YOU HAVE BECOME THE OTHER PARTY YOU FEAR SO MUCH BY COMPROMISING EVERY LAST THING YOU STAND FOR. WHAT GOOD HAS IT BEGOTTEN YOU???? NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, BUT EVEN MORE OF THE SAME LIBERALISM YOU AND ALL OF US HAVE BEEN UNWITTINGLY SUPPORTING BY ELECTING BUSH WHO LIED TO US NOT ONCE BUT TWICE!!! Wake Up! Have some confidence in yourselves! Don't be afraid to follow your COnservative principles and your conscience. If you McCainiacs had been our Founding Fathers, this nation would have never been born because you lack FAITH and conviction.

The Constitution Party Defection
Our politicians serve Mammon - not "We The People..." They are Corporate whores who have insured that We The People will never take power from them ever again through their devious, lawyerly schemes to manipulate our political process and render our Constituion DOA.

They are counting and have always been able to faithfully count on the "fear mindset" during election time which compels "We the People" to act like cattle, to fear stepping out in faith and voting our conscience. So, like cattle, or should I say the dog returning to eat its own vomit?!?, we pick the lesser of two evils(or as Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party's Presidential candidate would say, "the evil of two lessers") every election, which is just what they want us to do, and it's just what they have designed the political system in DC to produce - re-election, eternal incumbency, the tyranny of the two-party system, and the exclusion of other parties. They know they can count on us to faithfully excoriate anyone who dares to vote 3rd party - their conscience - and "throw away their vote". They know they can count on us out of fear to lambast our fellow sheeple for "sitting this one out".

As long as we persist in this defeatist mindset, we get just what we vote for out of fear, and THEY will always win because all battles begin and are won or lost in the MINDS, THE HEARTS, AND WILLPOWER OF THE PEOPLE. Jerome Corsi, an Ultra-Conservative who wrote Atomic Iran, where he exposes the TREASON of the Democratic Party, has left the GOP. Many other true Conservatives like Alan Keyes have left the GOP because it left us no choice. Our seat at the table was given to the moderate Democrats apparently. Well, we can build our own table and chairs - Thank You!

Voting For McCain
is throwing your CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLED vote down the toilet. It's running from your own CONSERVATIVE self. It's maintaining the status quo, which lately is no better than a stupid dog returning to eat its own vomit. It's voting for your own continued national suicide by leaving the border yet again wide open for terrorists, so McCainiacs don't try the same ol' useless drivel about McCain supporting the military and such on us TRUE CONSERVATIVES. A true patriot and military man defends his nation from "all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC". McCain is not a true patriot; he is a shameless political whore of the same political cloth as any shameless Demagoguing Democrat! Do any of you McCainiacs remember what Bush call the Minutemen? Vigilantes! You'll get more of this TREASONOUS behavior with McCain - more than you will care to bargain for - because with the overwhelming Democrat super majorities in BOTH houses and the extreme likelihood of a Democrat Senate with over 60 Democrat Senators after November 2008, McCain will see it as an even greater invitation to be the Democrat he always has wanted to be. What will you say then for your overrun nation? Don't worry about this scenario; it will never happen. McCain's ignominious loss is a foregone conclusion. Take a stand for principle for once in your life and join and vote for The Constitution Party in November 2008. Quit being so dire and feeling so hopeless about such a great prospect for 3rd party victory. If ever there were a time of extreme voter dissatisfaction in BOTH parties, it is NOW! Flip DC in 2008!!! Send a message not just to the GOP and the DNC and Corporate America, but rather to all of DC that We The People are coming back to take our government!

Voting For McCain
is no different than Battered Wife Syndrome, people! You can do so much better than that! There comes a time in life, McCainiacs and you disenfranchised Conservatives that are still holding on to the "Titanic" sinking GOP, when you have to ask yourselves: "Will I ever stand for something or fall for everything?!?" There's good news and a cure for your Battered Conservative Syndrome; it's called The Constitution Party. Most of you will have a Come-to-Jesus moment like I did when I went to their website.

Here's an excerpt from The Constitution Party's take on the current disenfranchised Conservatives holding onto the sinking ship that is today's GOP:

"The country’s largest third party based on voter registration (Ballot Access News), the Constitution Party, compares political “conservatives” to battered women who have begun another abusive relationship.

"John McCain’s history shows the man can’t be trusted. However, like those who repeatedly find themselves in sick relationships, these voters simply cannot get enough of what they don’t want. The “conservatives” are supporting a candidate who has shown he does not stand for anything they say they want,” said Constitution Party National Committee Chairman Jim Clymer.


To: Take Back the Government
I'm with you. With Congress solidly in Dem hands, the strongest argument in favor of McVain--judicial appointments--goes out the window. He wouldn't appoint a conservative even with a republican Congress, and with a Dem Congress, we'll get pretty much what we'll get with B. Hussein.

People who are still duped by the RI-NO-P's "but look how bad the OTHER guy is" are buying snake oil that will cripple conservatism.

Whatever minimal advantage people may think (wrongly, in my view) there may be in voting for the liberal McStain, it's not worth the long-term damage to the conservative movement.

The next four years are going to suck . . . hard. There's no getting around that. Just as economies must endure recessions, so too must polities endure their inevitable betrayal by self-serving politicians (of whom Cap'n Johnny is the exemplar).

It's just not worth it. I will never, ever, ever vote for Senator John S. McCain.

The GOP Hates You
If anyone wants to see just how deeply felt is the contempt in the "New" RI-NO-P for conservatives, check out Peter J. Wirs' latest RINO dropping.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PeterJWirs/2008/05/15/st op_griping_conservatives,_this_is_it


After reading it, take a gander at the website of this utter buffoon.

http://www.peterjwirs.com

This cretin, who writes with all of the skill of a lobotomized dyslexic with ADD, is the one the new RI-NO-P Poohbahs have annointed to be their ambassador to the far, distant, and strange land of Conservatavia, where we bitter clingers spend all of our time marrying our sisters and watching NASCAR.

The GOP has sent a DEMOCRAT who lists his long-term involvement with the ACLU as a major accomplishment to win us over.

I'm not kidding. These people think that we conservatives are idiots. They should look in the mirror first.

Check it out:
http://www.peterjwirs.com



McCain has my vote
I don't care what some uninformed people try to claim.McCain is the best qualified to be President.Obama is definitely not even close to being qualified,I can't forget the Anti-American statements made by his wife and I can't bring myself to vote for anybody that has a "friendly" relationship with an unrepentant terrorist that said,"we should have bombed more",not to mention the fact that some members of his family are militant Islamic radicals.

False Dillema/Strawman (#154)
Who's voting for Obama? I'm certainly not.

As a conservative, I simply cannot vote for McCain; and I'm actually quite well-informed, than you very much.

While I respect the decision of ever-shrinking minority of conservatives who still plan to endorse this anti-conservative ueber-RINO--and would not stoop to name-calling as in your "uniformed people" slur.

That's what the RINO's have been doing to us for years; we're over the "battered wife syndrome" and are getting a divorce.

How many RINO's even know how the GOP got its start? It rose from the ashes of the Whigs, who also committed electoral suicide in their arrogance and overweening vanity.

I'd like to see that happen again.

Bryon
Sorry, but as long as you and others insist you are going to vote for McCain instead of putting the Republican Party on notice, and following through on that notice, Obama is what you are going to get. Too many conservatives are not going to vote for him. The only way McCain can win is if enough Dems cross over and vote for him. That is your only hope. It would be a lot easier for a liberal to vote for McCain than it would be for a conservative to vote for him. Perhaps you would do better by going to liberal sites and convincing some of them to vote for your non-conservative, wolf in sheep's clothing, evil, manchurian candidate.

He is the candidate the TPB put in place to either distroy this country under the Republican name, or distroy the Republican Party. Either one works for them, and you are signing up to be their stoolie. He is a CFR memeber. He gets funding from Soros. He is a lier. He is going to steal your trust, and dump you off in the nearest alley. And, he will be doing it with your stamp of approval.

To: Island
Well-said!

responses to older posts
cw303 in #138 wrote:
"The next president will be McCain, Obama, or Clinton. Voting for anyone else will be a wasted vote."

Not wasted. I agree the next President will be one of the three. But if the RNC wakes up November 5th and finds McCain lost because 15% of the country voted LP or CP, the lesson will be clear.


Rob in #139 wrote:
"I am reading from conservatives that we neeed Obama to tear down the country so we can make a comeback."

It's not that we want Obama to tear down the country - it's that the country will be torn down even more (long term) with McCain as POTUS.

McCain The War hero !!!!
lori why is it you say McCain is a war hero ??? Admittedly he is called a War Hero by the McCain lackeys as well as the book publisher's who put out the McCain semi annual version of McCains heroics. His military record has been sealed at his request until lately and it makes me wonder with all of his tales of heroisim in his numerous books why would he wish to seal his military record until about a week ago ??? Could it be that it has been purged of facts he did not wish to shre with the public ???
As I have said many times in the past once you become a politician and have any military service in your background you automatically are labeled a War Hero by some of your phony supporters.
It has been many years since McCain came back from Vietnam and to my knowledge in all of that time his one time cellmate never spoke outabout McCains heroics, and now suddenly at age 83 he goes public and describes what a gallant hero McCain was. It makes me wonder who might be in control of the cellmates medication ???

chris
The "lesson" will not be clear. I wasted my vote on Ross Perot in '92. We got Clinton. Ultimately for two terms!

I seriously doubt a second George HW (who is even less conservative than his son, George W) term would've done more harm to the country than Clinton.


I can already hear the responses that there was a Rep. takeover of congress after 2 years of Clinton. True though that may be, right now the mood of the country is toward a Dem. congress. And too much ground has been lost to make up any time soon in the "conservative movement". Obama could do a lot of damage in just four years time while we wait for the comeback--much more than McCain, who certainly holds more conservative values in common with every poster here than Obama!

Obama’s motivation power-driven

I feel the same about McCain vs. Obama in terms of motivation and service as I did about Bob Dole vs. Bill Clinton in the 1996 election.

Both Barack Obama and Bill Clinton were driven to become president from an early age as a result of the driving pain of rejection by their fathers, eventually clouding their judgment. Both John McCain and Bob Dole aspired to become president only after years of maturity in service to their country. This after their initial service to their country of serving in wartime, with debilitating wartime injuries, and POW trauma in the case of John McCain.

I’m sure most Americans, if they were forced to choose, would prefer short-time Vietnam War service (done by John Kerry) to years of torture (suffered by John McCain). The New York Times’ egregious reported that ““McCain did not share the disillusioning and morally jarring experiences of soldiers like Kerry, Webb and Hagel, who found themselves unable to recognize their enemy in the confusion of the jungle…”

Many Vietnam veterans and POWs feel strongly about their own disillusioning and morally jarring experiences of being spit on in returning to the U.S. and being forced in Vietnam prison camps to listen to John Kerry’s voice denigrating American soldiers before Congress. They endured betrayal by American citizens and other soldiers.

Here's an interesting article about Bob Dole joining Vietnam vets to introduce a documentary called “Stolen Honor” featuring POWs who were forced to listen to John Kerry's 1971 Congressional testimony slandering "millions" of Vietnam vets.
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40374

Another good, old film is “Hanoi Hilton,” the infamous Vietnamese prison camp which housed many American soldiers

It is democrats who
didn't learn anything from Viet-nam. It is democrats who pulled the plug by defunding the war and caused the deaths of millions of people who stood by us. Now they are planning to do the exact same thing in Iraq.
They say McCain is doing the same thing as Bush, well maybe someone ought to recognize that Bush was right in the first place.

Maybe if dems hadn't sniped from the sidelines for 4 years giving aid to the insurgents, things would be over by now. If we hadn't insisted on a show trail for Saddam which kept people from coming fwd to help us for fear that that animal might return to power, things would be different now.

Lori is right, God help this country if that fool obama gets elected, you think carter was feckless? This is a unique time in our history, it isn't the time for on the job training for some guy about whom we know nothing except his affinity for dictators.

The Number One Reason John McCain Should
It's simple. The other two candidates are so much worse.

Too Bad The RNC Had To Have Amnesty
The RNC had to have an amnesty candidate. If the GOP thinks we will vote for that, think again. They will be responsible for their own electoral demise, no ome else.


GOP-RIP

If George Bush, McCain & the GOP
ever had any spine,they would have prosecuted the war properly from the get-go and they should have INSISTED on arresting Michigan Congressman David Bonior, and Washington Congressman, Jim McDermott, on the tarmac when they arrived back in the USA after they broadcast TREASON on CBS, NBC, & ABC from the Iraqi desert and from Saddam Hussein's palace with Saddam at their side. WHAT DID THE GOP SAY IN RESPONSE TO THIS???? NOTHING!!! WHAT DID THE GOP DOOOOOOOOOO IN RESPONSE TO THIS??? NOTHING!!! This is TREASON - pure and simple! It should be prosecuted! In fact, Kennedy, Turbin Durbin, John Kerry the eternal TRAITOR, Hanoi Jane, numerous whackjobs in Hollywood such as Sean Penn, Harry Belafonte, former President and fulltime traitor, Jimmy Carter, and the last goes on and on ad infinitum have been given carte blanche to COMMIT TREASON ANYTIME THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE because the GOP doesn't stand for a damn thing anymore. Do you think we want more of this nonsense? Democrat, whacko, neo-hippie, War protestors should have been scooped off the street and hauled off to jail for TREASON. When FDR was President while his country was at war, that is EXACTLY what he did. That being said, the GOP has caved to the Guantanamo legal mess the Democrats TREASONOUSLY stirred up. If these selfsame Democrats would have been around after WWII, they would have had the Nazis tried in US courts and half of the SOB's would be free to go and kill more American soldiers just as the Democrats have caused thios time with their completely UNCHECKED TREASON! 36 detainees have been released and were surreptitiously caught in Iraq after having slaughtered more of our troops because the GOP did NOTHING!!!

The number one reason...
John McCain should be president is B. Hussien Obama. The number two reason is Hillary Clinton.

Unfortunately, Mr. McCain himself has nothing to offer.

I AM SICK OF SPINELESS LEADERSHIP
and that's all you will ever get from today's Lost-in-Space GOP. They haven't a damn clue how to run or lead this country. They have proven the accusations of hypocrisy to be true. They squandered 12 years of golden opportunities. With Bush, they had complete control and still squandered every opportunity for change. There is no EARTHLY reason why we have been fighting this war for longer than WWII, a war on an immensely more vast scale spanning almost the entire globe. The US has no Constitutional authority to be in the business of nation-building. In fact, George Bush ran for President with that promise: that he would not engage the US in nation-building expeditions, and he soundly broke every last vestige of that promise. The Iraqis are far past the time when they should be defending their own country from terrorists, but they know as long as we stay there, they don't have to needlessly volunteer for a damn thing. Their philosophy is "Let the Americans protect us, and they can die at the terrorists' hands." They have grown complacent with our occupation.

...Cont'd
The US has no business being an "occupation force". It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! It is time to bring our boys home, or send them to Afghanistan and gfight for once a POLITICALLY INCORRECT WAR AND KILL USAMA BIN LADEN whereever he is. If he's in Pakistan, go in and get him. Did America ask permission to kill the Barbary Pirates? Did America ask permission to invade Germany? For that matter, did America ask permission from France to invade Normandy? Did America ask permission to bomb Midway and bomb the Hell out of Japan? Of course not! We took the fight to the enemy whereever he was hiding! If Usama's in Pakistan, let's roll! THE GOP HAS NO FIGHT IN THEM! They are spineless cavers to Political Correctness. How many more servicemen must needlessly die at the hands of Political Correctness? I shudder to think! The Constitution Party's Presidential candidate, Chuck Baldwin, a former Marine himself, would conduct the GWOT by the dictates of how our country handled early in its existence the Barbary Pirates, arguably the first-ever terrorists this nation encountered. Do the troops a favor; put a TRUE CONSERVATIVE in power as CIC. Don't wsste your vote on Political Correctness! It has killed far too many of our boys needlessly!

take back your hogwash, Georgia


You mean well, but have little constructive to suggest. "Take Back the Government--" LOL!

This war you decry so much is only your lame pretext for the simpleton's lament. Just how many wars have you successfully fought for your country? You must think you're a great leader.

There is no EARTHLY reason you may lord it over Bush; you go and play with your basketball. Stay out of mens' faces with this finger-pointing. What a nerve; coming from Jimmy Carter's neck of the woods.

reading suggestion for TH contributors:

Yesterday in FrontPage Magazine; a terrific think-piece by Daniel J. Flynn:

Ten top Secrets about the American Leftt; what they don't want you to recall.

One item here follows:

"Ayatollah Khomeini, Leftist Hero

Reflexive anti-Americanism initially moved the Left to embrace the Islamic Revolution in Iran. Mother Jones, for instance, in 1979 predicted

“if Khomeini or his followers take power” then “democratic reforms, freedom for political prisoners, an end to the astronomical waste of huge arms purchases, and a constitutional government” would follow. --The Nation, Michel Foucault, and other pillars of the Left similarly projected their ideals upon Khomeini and company."

The Left in America and Carrter's Democrat toadies are to blame for Iran as it operates today under Mullah's Theocratic government.

It has become a thorn in America's side; and has to be lanced OUT. We must elect a new Republican President! This is imperative for our national security. Obama is just another jimmy Carter or Jesse Jackson. OUT with that crew!

Dreadnaught
I am a former airman who has served my country honorably. I almost was sent to the first Gulf War. I have participated in NATO exercises in Europe during my tenure from 1985-1991. In fact, I was in Europe when Russia imploded. I dutifully left the military in 1991 because I could see Clinton coming to power and absolutely refused to serve under a party I recognized then and now as a party of TREASON. I am more right-wing than you probably could ever hope. Iam as right-wing as Jerome Corsi, who has smartly switched his allegiance to the Constitution Party. I am an Ultra-rightwinger. The GOP is a laughing stock, and far too Liberal for me. I have advocated for Secession as a matter of fact many numerous times on townhall. Staying in DC is prolonging the inevitable and the absurd. There is NOTHING "UNITED" about these "UNITED" States anymore. It takes a fool not to realize that. Jimmy Carter, if you read my post correctly, should be imprisoned for TREASON. He is a constant embarrassment to this state. The man should be executed by now. How any Democrat can call themselves a Christian is beyond human comprehension to me. A Christian can never support a party that has sytematically aided, assisted, and solicited support for Roe vs Wade since 1972 to the tune of 42 million abortions - over 1 million a year. A Christian can never support a party that chose to withdraw American troops from Vietnam which led directly to the genocide of 1.1 million Cambodians by the Khmer Rouge, yet that is today's Democratic Party, the modern-day merchants of murder. A Christian can never support a party that emphatically supports the ACLU, which opposes ALL THINGS CHRISTIAN! He and his former speech writer, Bill Moyers, are the strangest breed of oxymorons I have ever heard in my life.

More from FrontPage Mag
Item #2 of Daniel J. Flynn's article:

2. Assassinating Presidents . . . Three of the four presidential assassins have been left-wing radicals. Bible Communist Charles Guiteau murdered President Garfield, anarcho-communist Leon Czolgosz murdered President McKinley, and Soviet Communist Lee Harvey Oswald murdered John F. Kennedy. Rather than own that history, the Left has invented conspiracy theories that absolve leftists from responsibility.

In this election we're being offered on the Left,

Obambi; who has been schmoozing with a known American radical

A Weather Underground terrorist from the LEFT, guilty and unscrupulous about bombing various American targets including the Pentagon. We should vote for Obama; give him the reins of power over the world from our White House?

WHY ? Are we that Mad ? ? ?

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Dreadnaught...cont'd
Georgia is a staunch right-wing heavily Conservative state; we have military everywhere here, especially here in Savannah, which is home to the 3rd ID, which rolled all over Iraq in the first Gulf War. This is also an outpost of the 82nd Airborne. Across the way, we have Parris Island and the Marine Corps Air Station in Beaufort, SC. We love the military here, and we love this country just as much or more than you do. We just know there is a right way to conduct war and a pussyfooting, Politically Correct, sissified way to do it, and everything coming out of DC today is from the Democrat Party, which lines the hallways of the Pentagon, the State Department, the CIA, the FBI, the Justice Department, and NUMEROUS other bureaucracies. That is why even Ronald Reagan in his overwhelming landslide election of 1984 took every state in the nation except Minnesota(he lost it just barely to Mondale) and DC(SURPRISE! SURPRISE!) Even Reagan could not hope to take DC, which is the most heavily Democratic area in the entire nation. That is why whether we elect John McCain, Michael Savage, or Ann Coulter, nothing will ever be accomplished in DC until the legions of Liberal bureaucracies are COMPLETELY ELIMINATED. George Bush in his infinite stupidity kept all of his Liberal lawyers in the Department of Justice - how utterly STUPID! Even Clinton was wise enough the day he was elected to fire every last one of them. This is Politics 101, but "W" flunked that, too, because he was trying to "just get along" and "step across the aisle". With McShame, it'll be all of that 20x over. The GOP will NEVER learn. Vote for a ex-Marine with sense; vote for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. Let's elect TRUE CONSERVATIVES and FLIP DC & THE GOP IN 2008.

I SUPPORTED THE IRAQ WAR
- Not the Iraqi, ETERNAL nation-building and now doing the ETERNAL police work that the Iraqis should be doing themselves. Saddam Hussein was a threat and needed to be killed because he had tried to assasinate an American President and was in constant violation of 14 UN regulations that stipulated authorization for military intervention if he did not comply with the UN Security Council. There were WMD's despite all the Liberal MSM idiot poppycock. Does anyone remember General Zada, the Iraqi Air Force general??? He knows they're in the Syrian Bekaa Valley. The war was 125% justified, but staying there and playing International cop becasue the Iraqis cannot police their own country is ridiculous, awfully expensive, needlessly expensive, and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Giving free aid to Arab countries that want to kill Israel in the name of getting some political cover is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Giving aid to enemies of the United States is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and completely INSANE, yet that is what today's 2 CRIMINAL PARTIES IN DC are doing with WE THE PEOPLE'S money. They are wiping stinking filthy butts with OUR CONSTITUTION and laughing in our faces about it becasue they know NONE of you will vote for a 3rd Party; you'll all just want to stay safely ensconced in your GOP, right or patently wrong. Will you STAND FOR SOMETHING or CONTINUE TO PRECITOUSLY FALL FOR EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN LIKE THE DEMOCRAT PARTY YOU ONCE DESPISED???




























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georgia cornpone
You didn't respond well to the main question:

How many wars have you brought successfully to a close? NONE. How many perfect administrations have you set up ? NONE. Do you have a clue about winning a national election?

Not a ONE. --For the Pie In The Sky over Georgia to now suggest a candidate that's a complete WASTE of ballot space; your "Constitution Party" --hunting bear with a switch, they call that--

Shows what a backward voter you must be. Pardon me for reminding you of PLAINS Georgia, Sir. I know that's a cheap shot.

But you're heaving plenty of those at George W. Bush; as if you knew BEANS about this administration or winning an election. Better to stop rockin the boat now; than capsize it with all your mud-slinging. Amen.

Lori's thread goes downhill
Such a shame; when an entire grown-up discussion goes downhill.

We're reduced here to a banjo-duel with two Goobers. --Virgina Dare Pat and the Georgia Reb who "voted for the Iraq war; not whatever happens in Iraq."

Together they don't amount to much more than old Gomer Pyle, God rest him.

Hard not to say to Virgin Patty & Take Back Georgia: __I pity the fool.__

As my friend Mr T puts it.

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Dreadnaught
When you mock my moniker, "Take Back The Government", it only reveals that you perhaps have been in Cali a bit too long. I think the Liberals there are warping your optimism and getting to your confidence. There are so much more Conservatives in this nation; we're just all a bunch of nomads out in the desert at the moment becasue we have been kicked out of the house. The Constitution party refers to this presrnt malaise appropriately as battered Wife Syndrome. We keep getting kicked around and come back for more, but WHERE HAS IT GOTTEN US??? SSDD - NO DAMN DIFFERENCE! It's time to DIVORCE THE ARROGANT SOB THAT IS TODAY'S GOP! Coalescing around a 3rd Party is our only hope, IMHO, at this juncture. I always choose to be optimistic because in the end, all power is granted from GOD and taken by GOD as he chooses.

You accuse me of being a "simpleton" probably because of the anti-Southern bias in Liberal California, of which I am quite aware having just returned from a trip to Bakersfield. I am a degreed Chemical Engineer and a degreed Chemist from Georgia Tech. There is nothing remotely "simpleton" about me; I abhor redneck culture and have recently hailed from Atlanta.

You claim to be a "DREADNAUGHT", yet you apparently DREAD trying a 3rd Party and voting your conscience. You DREAD taking a stand for what you believe in. You DREAD standing for your principles. Maybe you need to remove the "N" from your moniker so that it reads "DREADAUGHT" becasue you seem to fear everything - especially CHANGE, for crying out loud. You are just the sort of SHEEPLE DC corruption feeds off of.










Dear Georgia Tech
OK; forgive me for ridiculing your roots. Maybe Gomer Pyle wasn't such a good idea; after all, he was Hollywood. I detest Hollywood; and FYI info I'm a Republican conservative.

That means to you, I have no insight into what conservatives hav gotten into.

Wrong. The present situation is very pleasing to me, at least. What promised to be a cakewalk for the Democrat presidential candidate now comes up a cropper, IMHO. And I support good Justices on the Supreme Court Bench; loweer taxes, reduced spending, Pro-Life efforts against the abortion lobby; victory in Iraq; gun rights, anti-gay lnonsense; a slew of other right wing causes. I'm NOT a "far-right" gangbusters-type such as you boast of yourself.

I believe in JUSTICE FOR ALL.

You believe in justice for YOU, and all the fence-hugging racist muckraking clod-hoppers. Leave me out of that.

I support McCain's measures to bring illegal immigration to a halt without destroying families and persecuting poor people.

We'll achieve more from this right-of-center position than by bolting the GOP. That dog won't hunt, Pal. Third parties view things all from the OUTSIDE, looking in. In fact; they're welcome to your patronage; you seem altogether too extreme for my kind of politics. You'd start a new Civil War to satisfy some glorified testosterone rush. The main difference between a Hell's Angels invasion & your idea of justice is they meet in taverns. You come here to rant on TownHall.

It's Guys like you Dreadnaught
that have ran me off the GOP Plantation. Contrary to your uppity, snobbish view of Southerners as trapped somewhere in 1860 and as racist as the day is long, you would be awfully surprised to see just how fine race relations are in the South these days. Many blacks are moving back South again to return to a more civilized society rather than remain in the lawlessness that defines many parts of Southern California or everywhere North of the Mason-Dixon line where civility and common courtesy have never been a part of society. Culturally, many blacks share a lot with Southern whites from the cultural ties of our ancestral roots, but I don't expect such a narrowminded snob as yourself to understand the things your biases will not allow you to ever comprehend. You're not a Southerner, and you never will be. You're too comfortable living your California lifestyle safely ensconced in your narrow-minded view of the rest of the world and your country.

Just because I support "Secession" doesn't mean I am a racist as you have concluded with a knee-jerk reaction. Just because one wants their State government to secede from a national government that no longer cares one iota about its original compact(READ: The Constitution) with the individual states and its duty to protect the sovereignty of the individual States as said precondition for entering into the Union doesn't mean that one is a racist. What century are you living in, DUDE? That's as God-awful inane as the Democratic Party stating that if you don't vote for Barrack Obama, you must be a racist.


McShamnesty/Kennedy
McShamnesty/Kennedy will allow eventually not 12 million or even 30 million but actually around 60 million Illegal Immigrants at one fell swoop to enter the US and be on the healthcare dole immediately. This is suicidal and political insanity at its absolute worst. That's what the media and even your beloved FOX NEWS doesn't want you to know about McShamnesty/Kennedy. It extends to ALL of the illegal immigrants family - even the family members still in Mexico. It authorizes more illegal immigrants than are even here right now. Grandmothers and Grandfathers and wives and sisters and brothers can all come on over and jump on the welfare bandwagon. YeeHAAA!!!

In other words, all of you McCainiacs would pull an Esau. For a pot of soup, a one-time McCain victory, you would sell your political birthright FOREVER because you would guarantee that the GOP would never see the political light of day ever again in this country. That's some real short-sighted thinking there.

Illegal Immigration
will not just go away as an issue like the GOP is trying to do by gingerly sweeping it under the rug. We TRUE CONSERVATIVES have not forgotten and will NEVER forget the Illegal Immigration sham that McCain, Bush, Kennedy, Graham, Isakson, Chambliss, and many others tried to make us swallow against our will. We puked it up and thought we taught the GOP a lesson that they have apparently still not learned judging by McCain's embracing of La Raza. The Conservative base will not budge on this nonsense. We know it is the DEATH of Conservatism to support this insanity.

All that McCain learned from this is that he should pretend to have "gotten the message" long enough to snag the nomination from the trusting Conservative GOP masses and then leave the Conservative GOP base in his dust as he coasts to the Presidency on the backs of Liberals and Moderates. It was some slick, smart, devious, Bait-and-Switch politicking on the order of the Democratic Party's tactics, which should come as no surprise: he always has been a Democrat - just a mighty stealthy one. Are you feeling the betrayal yet? Are you tired of making yet another excuse for this charlatan? How long will you pretend that this party has a seat for you at its table? The Conservative Party has a wide-open door for Conservatives and a slam-shut door for illegal immigrants. Vote Conservative Party in 2008.

lori is correct
If the words of Lori Byrd haven't entertained your personal vanities, just pass by her article and go on to the basketball scores. Nobody cares what you think, stupes.

You'd prefer to have a Cut and Run Pres elected instead of McCain go over to Plastic Nan's party, vote for him. They appreciate you Broke-Back heroes in her town.

Broke-Back Brian can just sit on it if he doesn't like our next U.S. President OR amnesty. Thank God he doesn't decide squat for this country. I'll vote for John McCain precisely for his honorable, American way of fixing our border and for treating those 12 million families justly. In fact; that stance by McCain is likely the main reason he'll be elected. The fence huggers can ESAD. They are NO base of our GOP; the base is people like Lori & myself.

please, mr. take back nothing:
You seem to think you're the only conservative in America, or that you give the orders to the Republican voting public. Why? As before, let me ask:

How many elections have you engineered to victory?
How many illegal aliens have you deported who never came back?

How much money do you have tied up in farmland and ranching that you can run profitably? Without laborers --?


Who can you turn to for changing this present illegal immigration mess? Are you still eating that Pie in the Sky?

You're likely to eat amnesty over the coming years; like it or not. The writing's on the wall. You'll eat it and like it.

If you don't want anybody in America to vote for it, go to mainline China. Over there they have a one-party system that ought to suit you fine. Here the majority rules, and you don't have a lot of clout right now. Figure by 2010 conditional amnesty will be a done deal. So, let's not go taking back this country unless you can bring the Chinese military with you.

DREADNAUGHT
Do you think for a minute you're in a MAJORITY??? Dude, what are you smoking out there in Cali??? Did you just fall off the turnip truck??? CBS radio said the other day that "if the Republican brand were dog food, it would be yanked off the shelves!" Your berloved GOP just lost HASTERT'S SEAT in Illinois, a seat it had held safely for 76 years. It lost seats in special elections also in Mississippi and Louisiana, seats that have been solidly in the GOP column for 25 to 33 years. That's a clarion call that the GOP is in mighty deep doo-doo. Read Rich Lowry's column if you dion't believe me because I've never "engineered an election before".

Regarding farmworkers, you have bought the GOP, fearmongering Kool-Aid. There are plenty of people who would love to do that work if the pay was right. There are plenty of college students who wouldn't mind doing something like that to pay for their college or for a summer job. You are rife with a defeatist mindset. These politicians are just going to bat for multimillionaire farmers who don't want to follow the laws of the United States but would rather bankroll corrupt GOP and Democratic politicians to circumvent the Constitution and the law, an offense worthy of IMPEACHMENT.

How many elections have YOU engineered, you stupid dolt? How many elections has anybody on here engineered? ZERO! What kind of question or logic is that? NOBODY ON HERE HAS DONE THAT! YES, NOT EVEN YOUR HIGH AND MIGHTY SELF!


DREAD-AUGHT Cont'd
This is 1992 all over again. Independents will poll strongly in this election. Bob Barr has left the GOP, and is running forthe Libertarian Party Presidential nomination. Jerome Corsi has left the GOP. Alan Keyes has left the GOP, and Ron paul may yet leave the GOP. Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter, if they take a good hard look at how Conservative media including especially Talk radio and the GOP left them high and dry, should leave the GOP forever.

These are all people who know that the GOP will surrender American Sovereignty not just with Illegal Immigration but the establishment and full support of the North American Union and the SPP, the Texas Superhighway linking Mexico to Canada via our backyards. THIS IS SUICIDE of the worst order. When you see over 1,000,000 Americans in DC or NYC blown to Kingdom Come by a nuclear suitcase bomb carried by Iranian or al Qaeda terrorists who speak fluent Spanish who have been assisted by the World Drug Cartel and Venezuela, maybe you'll begin to wonder why YOU squandered your vote for McShamnesty in the first place.


DREAD-AUGHT Cont'd
You and the rest of the fools that have remained in the "GOP base" are going to find that you have unwittingly surrendered your country to the UN and to the North American Union and your beloved GOP will never win the Presidency ever again once McShamnesty goes into full effect. It won't be 12 million illegal immigrants; it will be 60 million. DC always fudges the numbers down to fool the American public - politically unaware fools like you. Numbers are never the concern of politicians. They just see it all as more tax dollars for them to spend as they wish and more constituents they can fool at the ballot box.

McCain thinks by opening the borders he can add more Mexicans to the GOP ranks, and that is his own arrogance talking. The long-term effects on our welfare stae will lead to the crumbling of America and further taxation into oblivion to pay for the ever-increasing welfare state. WHY??? Because people like you voted for the welfare state instead of the CONSTITUTION, which NOWHERE supports any such thing as a WELFARE STATE anywhere.

The Mexicans refuse to assimilate; they refuse to learn English because the GOP and the DEMS remain so Politically Correct and spineless to insist on ANYTHING. Every other race and ethnicity has learned English who has come to this country EXCEPT the Mexicans, who believe they can avoid our laws, avoid our language, avoid our culture, and avoid assimilation, and their ultimate desire is to take back land they consider to still be Mexico and milk the welfare state from these foolish whoring politicians and the foolish Americans like yourself who keep electing them for all its worth.


DREAD-AUGHT Cont'd
McCain and the GOP cannot even raise enough money because of McCain-Feingold. It will be hilarious watching the hapless GOP try to compete in this national election with the media onslaught from the Dems who have gobs of cash from McCain's short-sighted brainstorm, the 527, Soros's brainchild and McCain's own demise in the name of destroying the First Amendment to the Constitution, free speech, to appease his good buddy, Soros, the number one multibillionaire bankroller of the DEMOCRATIC Party.

THE GOP IS BROKE AND ON ITS LAST LEG BECAUSE THEY HAVE RAN OFF THEIR BIGGEST DONORS - THEIR OWN BASE. Good Luck with That. It has never worked. The last time they tried this move to the center/Left formula, it was with Dole, and they were trounced. Before that it was Liberal yankee, babykilling Ford, who was shellacked. THE STUPID PARTY NEVER LEARNS ANYTHING; that's how they got the name, THE STUPID PARTY!

2008
GOP-RIP
1856-2006
150 years of so much promise
(The party's been dead for the last 2 years; it actually died in 2006 when it refused to take its medicine!)

Stupid Parties - Out of Touch Parties - always go the way of the Whigs. Just as the GOP grew out of the ashes of the Whig Party, so to shall it return to those selfsame ashes. At the GOP funeral in 2008 and on the GOP epitaph, it will read: "From the Whigs You Came - To the Whigs You Return."

I HAD NO IDEA !
Wow!

I had no idea the GOP can't fund our presidential campaign. And. I had no idea you and your "base" were lifting the Party on your broad shoulders; with no help from anybody else.

I had no idea you knew everything there will ever be to know about winning the presidency.

I had NO IDEA you could "Take back the government" and especially because I had no idea we'd been robbed of it. --But now; since you're practically shouting it from the housetops, I figure the only thing you need to take back the government is a pick-up truck and block & tackle. Watch now; don't give yourself a hernia, Georgia Peach -- The last thing you want is a rupture as you Take Back that there Government. Haha!
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