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Friday, November 02, 2007
Lorie Byrd :: Townhall.com Columnist
Blue Dress Democrats and the Clinton Scandal Effect
by Lorie Byrd
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Michael Reagan is asking Democrats to lay off Hillary so that Republicans can have another go at her. I say to Republicans, beware of the “Blue Dress Democrats” and the Clinton effect.

Reagan recently wrote, “I know you Democrats don't want to do us Republicans any favors, but just this once let us have our way. Give us the opportunity to give the Republican attack machine another shot at Hillary Clinton. Let her coast to victory in the primaries. Then we'll take it from there.”

It appears, barring some spectacular development, that Hillary Clinton will most likely be the Democrats’ choice in 2008. I am not so sure that Michael Reagan and other Republicans should be celebrating that prospect though.

There are certainly plenty of skeletons in Hillary Clinton’s closet. Just off the top of my head, I remember the Whitewater billing records, the White House travel office firings, the harassment of women so callously referred to as “bimbo eruptions,” the FALN terrorist group pardons, and recently, the Norman Hsu campaign contributions. In addition to those matters, Clinton has problems with her high profile failure to come up with a reasonable health care proposal during her husband’s term and, on her own side of the aisle, with her various positions as a Senator on the war in Iraq.

All of these matters are already well known though. At least they are well known to the media covering the presidential election. It is true that many of the pesky, unattractive details are not known to the public. It is unlikely though, that the media will see any reason to revisit those issues and give the public any more information than they already have on those matters.

When Hillary ran for the Senate in New York we were told the tough New York press would pounce on her and show her no mercy. We learned that the New York press is not so tough when it comes to questioning Clintons. Just think of the media coverage Hillary has received so far in the presidential race. Many of the interviews, particularly the ones on the highly rated morning talk shows, look more like infomercials than interviews. There is no reason to believe any interviews done after she wins the nomination will be any less friendly than the ones she has done already.

When Republicans step in to fill the role the media has neglected and remind the public of Hillary’s skeletons, they will be slammed as negative right wing conspirators. Or Neanderthal cavemen afraid of a powerful woman. Or Clinton haters – that one worked particularly well for Bill.

Michael Reagan wrote “Republicans want to have the honor of exploiting the lady's negatives for all the world to see. She likes to boast that she has faced the worst the so-called Republican attack machine can throw at her and has survived. Let me tell you, she ain't seen nothing yet. We have long memories and a huge arsenal of ammunition to fire at her when the time comes.”

He is absolutely right about that. There is plenty of ammunition there and there are many Republicans who would genuinely enjoy it, too. But even if the “attack machine” did a first rate job of revealing every questionable, unethical or illegal thing Hillary Clinton had either said or done, I doubt it would make a difference. Or at least not the difference Republicans would like.

She is about as well known as a person can be and those who know her love her or they hate her. What the Republicans would reap in bad media for going back into Clinton attack mode would far exceed any benefits gained from exposing the details of the various Clinton scandals.

Jack Kemp at The American Thinker recently said the following about a comment he read at Lucianne.com, “You've heard of Blue Dog Democrats? Now we have Clinton-supporting Blue Dress (of Monica Lewinsky fame) Democrats who will vote for Hillary and the return of Bubba to power.”

Just remember, were it not for the Clinton-Lewinsky sex scandal, Hillary Clinton would almost certainly not be sitting in the U.S. Senate today. The Clintons seem to flourish in the midst of scandal. Hillary is currently unable to hit 50 percent in national polls and she will very likely hurt the chances of some down ballot Democrats, especially in the South, if she is the nominee.

I would not be surprised if the one thing that could actually help Hillary break that 50 percent mark, though, is a high profile attack machine for her to run against. If she could play victim to a Ken Starr figure again there is no telling how many percentage points she might pick up. Don’t underestimate the power of the Blue Dress Democrats and the ability of a Clinton to turn a scandal into an advantage.

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Romney will treat Hillary with respect
Mitt will only attack on the issues , sometimes colorfully. Let the voters decide if someone has a forked tongue. As an example : Mitt changed to prolife .Where is the flop ? Mitt has always been for marriage between a man and a woman .Where is the flip ? The prolifers have voted 51 % for Mitt a mormon. Rudy only got 1 % .Check it out yourself " Evangelicals for Mitt ".

Hillary can take it.
Hillary and Rudy are both : proabortion , progay , antigun , antifamily , and they are on the wrong side of the fence .A vote for Rudy is a vote for Hillary .....WAKE UP AND SMELL THE POSTUM....... Ann Romney makes her on granola.

Oh, brother!
What if Giuliani's the nominee? What's he going to do, knock her for having worse taste than him in women's fashion when they don a dress?

He certainly can't knock her or Bill on the personal front, unless it's a comparison of whose personal life is more sordid.

Can't really be a policy debate, because they're both on the same page on most issues.

Maybe that's why Mr. "I'm the only one who can beat Hillary" chickened out when he had the chance to actually run against her for her first Senate seat bid.

Very, very lame.

True but pathetic
The theme of this piece is true but it is also pathetic. the though that "she' could win as a "victim" is sickening.

To Robert

4000 Americans are dead in Iraq...it is the height of stupidity to bring up Lewinsky...why is the far right obsessed with "intimacy" of others?

If your buddy Clinton had taken care of terror threats via bin Laden & radical Islam to America instead of playing with Lewinsky in the Oval Office - maybe we wouldn't be in Iraq today -- ever think of that old Robert?


This could go either way.
Hillary Clinton represents the Democrats at their worst: unprincipled, utterly ruthless, permanently unwilling to admit to error or the decency of those who disagree with her, and dedicated above all to her own aggrandizement. You'd think that would be easy meat for the "gentlemen of the press." You'd think they'd be climbing over one another in their eagerness to get a bite.

You'd be wrong.

The press, which, like it or not, is the main conduit by which private persons get information about anything, will never, ever collaborate in an attack on any Democrat -- especially when that Democrat is the party's best hope of regaining the White House. Democrats believe in power more ardently than a Christian believes in grace and salvation. More, they believe it's theirs by right -- and the press is 90% to 95% liberal Democrats.

The institutional filtering mechanisms that brought this situation about are interesting in their own right, but this is not the place to discuss them. Suffice it to say that, apart from her opponents, who are inhibited by her gender, and the rare honest journalist such as Tim Russert, our hope for publicizing the many severe character faults of a masterful Democrat political operator such as Hillary Clinton lies entirely in the alternate media -- mostly, the Internet. I hope we have the resolve required to thwart her ambitions; no one else is about to try.


Re: Robert
"why is the far right obsessed with "intimacy" of others?"


Because most republicans are either sexually deprived or confused about their gender. Its also very painful for them to watch their power diminish under the weight of their incompetence and this leads to the manifestation of suppressed sexual urges. Its sad but true.

Notice how this
faux controversy erupted in the midst of the L.A. Times investigation into Hillary's fraudulent campaign financing. Could this whole thing be an attempt to divert attention, sort of a new wrinkle on the "tail wags the dog"?

This is noting more than a campaign wrinkle by the 2nd tier Lamocrats to score points on Shrillary. The MSM is promoting this as a “big thing” for two major reasons. First and foremost, they love controversy as that is what sells advertising. If they can’t find one, they will create one. The second major reason is that the MSM (aka network news) is East coast (NY) based and they are siding with Hillary while the West coast media (Hollywood and print) is siding with Obama. So while the West coast digs up dirt and holds parties for fundraisers, the East coast will try to deflect the dirt and generate it’s own fundraisers. For a Republican this should be the “Greatest Show on Earth” and Cecil B. DeMille would be jealous.

it is not about "the intimacy of others"
it is about the coarsening of the culture and example set for our young people by the man who is supposed to uphold American values.
Clinton is a serial molester who should have been prosecuted for any number of offenses against women, but he got a pass and his wife who needed him to obtain her goals stayed with him and risked her health to do it,says a lot about her priorities.
Dems win by balkanizing the country, pandering to fringe groups, redistributing other peoples hard earned money with no thought to the consequences down the road.
Hildabeast says SS is solvent until some year in the future, why doesn't someone ask her what do you think will happen then? If we know it's broken now, why not fix it now rather than saddle our grandchildren with a bigger problem?

Dems and liberals are dangerous to the survival of this country, God help us if they cobble together enough loonies and fellow perverts to elect this commie.

Hillary Uncensored Parts 1 and 2

the clinton's
It has always been a matter of character. Bubba always thought he could be one but the two of them lack character. There is little doubt that the msmis routing for a return of the clinton's to power. There is this longing for two more additional terms for one of the most ineffective presidents to serve in office, But the missus clinton has mastered the I am a victim, everytime she is critisized and that has many times deflected the issue at hand. But the repubs have more than enough ammo in their stockpile to work against her. Highlighting her plans, her rants her insulting and childish behavior will certainly work against her. How can the missus clinton and the smoildering rage bubba escape their own words. Her lack of answering questions and her annoying speeech pattern of always insering "you Know" into her answers in a veiled attempt to draw the questioner into automatically agreeing with her position is well known and on her part over used. But her avoidance of questions she doesn't want to answer should send out a warning signal that if she can't answer simple questions how will she stand up to the tough issues facing america.

wildwaste says:
"There is this longing for two more additional terms for one of the most ineffective presidents to serve in office..."

Right - forget unprecedented economic growth - Waste cheers an idiot like Bush who snoozed through 9/11! Now THAT's effective! Or better yet - invading innocent countries and killing innocent people - Waste's kind of guy! But remember, he's the spawn of illegal Eastern European trash - commies at heart - racists and thugs to boot - don't expect genius from this loser...

Reagan
Michael needs to get a clue in my opinion. Hillary does not need protection from anybody. She is tough as nails and could act as her own bodyguard. She is brutal when she has to be, would probably whip Rudy one on one. Either as a man or a woman.

Being top dog means, you are challenged now and then. Coming out on top is why you are top dog.

If you believe she was president the first time around, make your case. Otherwise, leave Bill and the first administration out of it.

HRC wins...
.... only because the population that NEEDS the mommy-state to survive must vote or die. "vote for mommy or die." compelling reason to vote... no?

the population that works around the mommy-state will survive without voting. for them to really get out and vote in huge numbers some politician has to prove he/she will get out of the way and do little.

impossible for a politician to pledge to do less. no compelling reason to vote since there is nothing for which to vote.

future imagine: mrs clinton and mrs kirtchner in a joint visit to mrs peron's grave... or the two of them at castro's funeral. what warm and loving moments await us.

all this character stuff is blather. vote for mommy or die. mommy wins

i work overseas. i observe that in other countries the best mommy always wins. i like working over here because mommy doesn't see me so i am free. free is good. the more regulated the local mommy-voters are, the freer and more prosperous i become. curious. we had it in the good old usa... once upon a time.

vote for mommy and die, i say.

NY Dogturd
Unprecedented economic growth in the 90's was the continuing effect of the Reagan tax cuts. In spite of approving NAFTA, which did have salutary economic effects, the subsequent tax increases enacted almost torpedoed the boom- remember the luxury tax on yachts and private jets that nearly doomed those industries and put hundreds of middle class taxpayers out of work?
Bush snoozed thru 9/11? What planet were you on that day? BTW I never hear Bush 9/11 critics blame FDR for Pearl Harbor even though the latter had much more specific warnings about the impending attack.
Bush is the progeny of E Euro Commies, racists, and thugs? WTF are you talking about? Put down the crack pipe.
The difference between Bush's IQ & yours? His is one hundred twenty six yours is one point twenty six.

NY Dogturd
Unprecedented economic growth in the 90's was the continuing effect of the Reagan tax cuts. In spite of approving NAFTA, which did have salutary economic effects, the subsequent tax increases enacted almost torpedoed the boom- remember the luxury tax on yachts and private jets that nearly doomed those industries and put hundreds of middle class taxpayers out of work?
Bush snoozed thru 9/11? What planet were you on that day? BTW I never hear Bush 9/11 critics blame FDR for Pearl Harbor even though the latter had much more specific warnings about the impending attack.
Bush is the progeny of E Euro Commies, racists, and thugs? WTF are you talking about? Put down the crack pipe.
The difference between Bush's IQ & yours? His is one hundred twenty six yours is one point twenty six.

Michael Reagan is wrong.
Rebublicans need to let the Dems undo the Clintons, though that is a remote possibility.

Sadly, the polarized political climate in this country will work in Hillary's favor. Most Dems will support her, regardless of any corruption, ONLY because she might win. They are unlikely to let ethics and character stand in the way of a Dem victory. If you think this is not true, just read the lib posts on this site.




Ghost in the Machine
Seems like every day about this time, the gremlins invade the TH servers and don't post anything until the second time.

Robert and Crumby
Keep digging yourselves lower than a rock. All the Repubs have to do is keep playing "Hill" videos over and over. Robert & Crumby, if you get your wish I will be happy to see you grovel in four years. I keep hoping most Americans are a lot smarter than I think they are.

ny crybaby lib
what's wrong mommy's little boy. still waiting for your bottle. The thought of getting you in an early rage is pure delight. Infnatile rantings have become your standard fare. Calling my parents commies again points out you childish studpidity, they escaped hitler and came as legal entrants. But that shows your continued delusion. Your latest whiney posts are about bubba's right to use the white house as a pick up bar. If you must defend something try some of his legislation. The economy was in decline during his final 2 years in office. But your irrational behavior is getting the better of you but then again not a very difficult task. You have succeeded in becoming the biggest twit to these posts.

ny whiner 2
the difference between repubs and dims. Your party makes convicted felons committe chairmen. Alcee hastings was disbarred as a federal judge but has enjoyed a long career as a dim rep. Gerry studds molested a congressional page, was returned to congress and retirement to the overwhelming cheers of his dim enaqblers. Jefferson is caught accepting a bribe and the dims sit and do nothing. Franks allows a male prostituyion operation from his apartm,ent and he heads up committess. It appears evident mommy has taken away your pacifier but bubba has allowed you acces to his

Too rich to pass up
I was browsing the thread and being disgusted by the revival of Democrat filth denial, and appalled by some of the pain avoidance maneuvers by moderates, when I stumbled across this howler that just begs to be trumpeted from the rooftops.

Here, Robert Robert firmly categorizes himself among the loons simply not capable of reasonable discourse. Try as he might to paint himself as a worldly intellectual, this one identifies him as a buffoon:

"Because most republicans are either sexually deprived or confused about their gender... All the fat old men of the far right longing for a night that never existed, and never will."

I laughed long and heartily. Robert, the "intellectual," revives the silliest notion ever produced by a 19-year-old, pimply-faced product of MTV, that the adult world doesn't see things his way because adults DON'T HAVE SEX. Hilarious.

As in so many other things, liberal Robbie has the world backwards and upside down. It's the products of the Sexual Revolution who don't have a clue what sex is for, who hop like bunnies from hole to hole seeking something they can't find, while the civilized world uses sex in its proper context to cements meaningful relationships and perpetuate the species in an expression of our best affections for each other.

The truth is, to borrow a correct analysis from AudiR10, Robbie-poo is one of those who discovered his wee-wee in the 60s and has been insisting we listen to him tell about it ever since. What an intellectual giant!

Thanks for proving how banal you truly are, Robbie.

The Left
is the side that has problems with consensual relationships and intimacy. Note their "disparity of power" argument. They wanted to punish male executives engaged in consensual relationships-except that argument was conveniently forgotten with their boy Clinton. This was the largest disparity of power in history.

So the left wants to punish consensual relationships yet supports a serial MOLESTER and probable RAPIST. Nice!

reverse psychology of mikey reagan
imagine mikey with a pair of duces in a poker game trying to distract the other fella with three of a kind. that's exactly what he's doing, he's trying to bluff his way out of this one.
fear of losing bring out the worst in us.

Going to burst your bubble . . .
HiLIARy is not going to be the nominee.

Once the primaries start and people step into the voting booth, they'll ask themselves, "I'm going to vote for her? I don't think so".

Bama won't get it either.

If the Breck Boy doesn't make any major faux pas', he'll be the nominee, and God help us, maybe the next President.

Even the Progressives know...
...how corrupt the Clintons are. The very best collection of Clinton corruption data is still found at the Progressive Review Onine. Go to http://prorev.com/#searchsite, and search for the string "The Real Clinton Story." Stan Smith, the editor of the site, was on to the Clinton corruption machine long before the "vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" even figured out there might be skeletons worth unearthing.

He's not the only one, either. Some of my Progressive buddies who were in the throes of Clinton Corruption Denial back in the mid-90s, even while insisting that Billy Bob hadn't the slightest idea that the Whitewater Development Company was a scam (this economic giant who single-handedly revived the economy from the Worst Recession In Modern History, but didn't know where his investment money was being used), acknowledged that Hillary knew every detail of the operation from the inside out. The only reason she's not in prison for fraud is 1) someone got away with burning the files; 2) she argued that the fraudulent affidavit she produced was the result of INCOMPETENCE; 3) she managed to get herself on the investigative board from the federal government that negotiated the failure of the bank, a clear conflict of interest; and 4) she stonewalled the Special Prosecutor's subpoena until they had to proceed without the evidence she withheld.

Democrats will go into full-scale corruption denial with their dishonest double standard (Republicans are guilty because they're Republicans, but you can't even talk about Democrat scandals until they've been convicted in three separate courts of law), but even they know, somewhere beneath all that frantic denial, that Hillary Clinton is the most dishonest politician since Teapot Dome.

testing
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Dave, I sincerely hope you're correct
dave wrote that Democrats won't turn the lever for Ms. Clinton. I disagree -- they have, and they will -- but I sincerely hope he's right and I'm wrong. Even the slimy ambulance-chasing lawyer would be safer for the nation than Ms. "God Reports To ME" Clinton.

Personally, I think we need to broadcast the part of Gary Aldrich's book where he describes how Hilly wouldn't let anyone walk the halls of the White House while she was walking; it shows so very clearly just how exalted she thinks she is. Or the part where she mandated that White House employees were only permitted to work 39 hours a week, so they could deny them benefits (oh, she cares about the working class, that decent woman). Or the numerous instances where she cussed out the help, who were just so much dirt on the bottom of her shoe. Or... (this could get long, I think I'll stop now.)

The worst scandal
In terms of corrupting our government, the worst scandal is when the Clintons were caught red handed with 900 FBI files. These are the same type of FBI files that a Nixon administration official wa sentenced to 5 years in jail for mishandling just a single file. They let the white house security director, Craig Livingstone, be the scapegoat for the innocent little "Bureaucratic snafu" yet conveniently, no one could remember who hired him. I for one will to vote for a candidate competent enough to identify who hired the White House security director.

Go Negative? Thats All Repubs Got!!
typical of repubs/cons, when they cant win elections on the issues, go negative on their opponents with character assasination, spreading malicious rumors, and outright lies. Works like a charm with them and they have had great success with it. repub/cons genuises of the genre include: Roger Ailes, Michael Deavers, Charles Colson, Lee Atwater and recently Karl
Rove.

funny thing though, it rarely works against the
Clintons who manage somehow to redirect an use the repubs/cons negativity against them and repeatedly win elections and garner positive results.

Robert
What has Hillary done to get us out of Iraq? 4000 dead is just as much her responsibility as any republican who voted for the war and she has not led the Senate in the stopping of funding for the war.

inkling
You are right, deep down they know. If they had a conscience, it would be eating away at them.

To Robert and other Libs
You liberal's defense of Clinton's terror record is pathetic and an insult to our inteligence. what was Sandy Berger trying to cover up by stealing and losing top secret documents? If Clinton's record is so defensible, why don't you call for Sandy Berger to disclose what was in those documents? It should only make Clinton look better? Shouldn't it? Maybe you could also call for Sandy Berger to finally take the lie detector test that he agreed to in his plea deal, at least before he gets his security clearance reinstated and goes back to work for the Clinton's if they win the election?

Left Angle, the Clintons won...
elections for themselves. Yet they almost destroyed the democrat party. Clinton oversaw the dems losing the HOuse and the Senate. Governers were a majority republican. But, deep down, you know the Clintons only care about themselves and their power. Do you really think they "care about the children?"

Maybe So Lorie
Before Tuesday's debate I might have agreed with Lorie Boyd about the Clinton Crime Family's ability to manage scandal. When lovable old BJ thrust his lower lip forward and obfuscated with a knowing twinkle in his eye America's female population and the liberal girlie-men who love them just turned into hot, steaming buckets of girl-juice. If Tim Russert had asked BJ about the archives he would have responded that one of the problems with America is people worrying about moldy old documents from the PAST when we should be thinking about America's children and their FUTURE.His timing and delivery were always right on the money and into the camera. Hilly's stilted evasions were pathetic. As were her similar evasive, dishonest answers on Iran and illegal alien drivers license/ voting rights. She is an astonishingly weak candidate. None of the political nematodes that shared the stage with her laid a glove on her but a few off-the-lib-script questions from Russert acted like a wandering iceberg to her Titanic campaign. I think cold chills ran down the spines of Democratic pols watching her on Tuesday. The lib media has spiked this story and the damage has been controlled for the moment but the mask has definitely slipped.

nyd mommy's eternal infant
you have redefined the term bootlicker.It appears your are the product of a liberal education. You have never learned the ability to analyze facts. But the clinton's know they own you body and soul. They will always have your vote and know you always lamely attempt to defend them. But you have even surpassed he who must not be named as the champion clinton butt boy. But as a lib defending ilk such as the clinton's requires a divorce from reality. Or is it you are that incredibly dumb that you actually believe all the stories concerning the clinton's are lies. No, on second thought, you are that stupid

Felons and Felonies
Squeaky clean is not a term I associate with the Clinton’s or OJ Simpson and I personally see numerous similarities in both cases.

Just because someone is not convicted of an obvious crime they committed does not make them innocent, just not convicted.

To me loss of ones’ license to practice law indicates violation of law by the licensee.

mld nyc stain on humanity
I was hoping to see you post something clever and original. I knew you lack that capability so I am not disappointed. As my family left czech 20 years prior to the russians taking over that country you must be akin to retarded to continue calling them commies. According to other posters on the coulter thread they maintain that you are the type to whorship the commies. Perhaps that is your attraction to the missus clinton. Ideology demands you must defend your fellow traqveler is that failed ideology.

Robert and his ilk
It is so easy to merely say that the war in Iraq and terrorism are not related. I don't even know why I am taking the time to address your ridiculous posts. Things to remember or learn (whatever the case might be):

Saddam's Iraq was not a wonderful place to live, well unless you were a part of his inner circle (then you had lavish palaces).

Iraq was not cooperating with the U.N. arms inspectors. Why???

Iraq did have ties with the terrorists. Actual proof of some ties mean a lot when these ties are meant to be concealed. You aren't going to have them announce to the world that they are meeting. Not to say, Saddam helped plan or knew the specifics of 9/11.

Small amounts of WMDs have been found in Iraq. There were many truckloads of shipments of something to Syria. It is reasonable to suspect these to have been WMDs.

One reason for going in was also Saddam's internal terrorism and the iron fist he ran the country with.

No attacks on our soil since being in Iraq.

No war is perfect, but progress has been made. Maybe it will progress yet and be lasting, maybe, but we need support from those in our country.

Regarding Bill Clinton:

I suppose you mean "consenting" adults in private? Whatever the case, there appears to be a record of non-consenting adults when it comes to Bill.




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Dog
She was padding her resume.

Hillary's worst enemy
Lorie Byrd makes a very good point about the Clinton's ability to play the victim when their crimes are exposed.

I think the best strategy is to just let Hillary be, let her talk, and let the American people get to know her. They will not be impressed, as we see from the last debate. She is her own worst enemy.

Cookie your wrong, dead wrong
Democrats dont view the Clintons as you do.

We view them as excellent politicians who have the guts, talent, intelligence, and know how to defeat republican bullies most everytime they
face them. they fight back and repubs back down
everytime like the cowards they are.

Question for Clinton haters..
when is the last time a republican opponent defeated either Hillary or Bill Clinton in election?

I was going to
post a comment or two here, but the inanities of Rockhead J. Squirrel (AKA Robert) and Massively Loopy Dip, preclude intelligent discussion.

BrianR-Wildwest-Vic
What is truly scary in there are STUPID, GUTLESS, COWARDS in America that believe ANYTHING The Clintons say. As proof I offer ROBERTA, MLD and LEFT ANGLE!

left angle
peddling pablum don't make it truth. The missus clinton proved how tough she was when she used her war room to attack the women who dared come forwaard to tell of bubba's boorish behavior. I guess that makes her a real warrior when she uses clinton power and cash to attack bubba's sexual infidelities. What courage. Beating up those who can't defend themselves. But which is it? It your heroine the tough fighter or the witless victim unable to defend herself; Obviously the left and the clinton's want it both ways

wildwest..please explain
how it is that with you long convuluted list of Clinton "crimes and scandals" they have never been indicted, convicted or served one day in jail...I mean that "list of crimes/scandals" aint worth the paper its printed on..It defies belief and reality that ANYONE could do all the dirt you repubs/cons accuse them of and get away with it.

the bottom line is the clintons have a track record of defeating republcans in elections and
if hillary gets the nod, it more than likely thats gonna happen to you repubs again.

I told you above they are view them as excellent politicians and strategist. go negative if you want against hillary and it WILL be used AGAINST you just as ms. byrd suggest.

wildwest: Clintons' political akido
"The term aikido refers to the martial arts principle or tactic of blending with an attacker's movements for the purpose of controlling their actions with minimal effort. One applies aikido by understanding the rhythm and intent of the attacker to find the optimal position and timing to apply a counter-technique to defeat them"

this is exactly how the clintons defeat republicans time and again.

The TRUTH about Robert
He claims to be: a Capt USN, a military & civilian test pilot; Border Patrol pilot, FAA flight examiner, college professor, vice cop, columnist for the National Review, and a Mideast affairs consultant.
The truth about Robert:
He’s a former enlisted man, / frustrated pilot wannabe. He spends hours each day on TH. It’s the only life he has, judging from the amount of time he spends here. He’s smart, and skilled at Googling info to impress us with BS. He gives grades to those he disagrees with. If your get an F, you know you’re winning the argument, making him look bad. When ever he gets shot down, which is always, he becomes very defensive and argumentative; a sure sign he’s losing another argument. When confronted with questions likely to expose him as a fraud, he answers: “I DON’T ANSWER QUESTIONS”. If he didn’t spend so much time defending himself from massive criticism, he might have credibility. But reviewing his previous posts, it’s obvious no mature adult behaves this way. No one with his claimed credentials wastes so much time on TH defending himself, attempting to equivocate previous lies, and tolerating such abuse. Even I who only works 2 weeks each month couldn’t waste so much time. He tries too hard to convince, equivocate and justify. In doing so, he fails miserably and exposes himself as a fraud. His attempts to impress with tech terms researched on the internet, frequent references to his aviation exploits and how much money he claims to make as a Govt. test pilot are pathetic, and would be considered immature and laughable, even for a teenager. He’s now known as the Walter Mitty of TH. If I wasn’t sure he's a former USN enlisted man, you’d think he’s an immature, frustrated teen age geek whose life is spent in front of a computer. And emotionally, that’s what he is, and what he does. I’d suggest he GET A LIFE. But TH is all the life he has. He’s become just a sad joke here.

left angle
lacking a moral compass and pushing the the very limitsd of the law is not admirable activities. Using the power of your office to punish or threaten opponents is likewise dishonorable. When the missus clinton cried about her invented enemy, the vast right wing conspiracy, you libs jumped on board and accepted this nonsense as truth. Meanwhile by slandering half of the country the missus clinton proved she is divisive and will never be a uniter. The clinton's have always divided the country into their supporters and everybody else is the enemy. But the missus clinton will be unable to defeat her biggest enemy and that is herself. The repubs will fill the airwaves and print media with the missus clinton in her own voice and america will see these are not made up attacks but merely putting herself on public display. It will be delicious to watch. The missus clinton destroying the missus clinton. She can run but she can't hide from herself and all her socialist mutterings. Or will the missus clinton atacking the missus clinton be piling on

Blue Dress?
When I saw the article title I thought they were refering to Imelda Marcos' famed gaggle of blue dress women. It would be more appropriate--although the Monica dress works too.

There is no convincing Hill's supporters of any of her faults--and quite frankly I doubt there is a "swing-voter" left in the country.

If HRC does win the presidency we will get what we deserve--letting politicains get away with everything--allowing polititians with R after their name to act like liberals, allowing the standards of our culture to fall to a place so low that the most smarmy elected officials are seen as the great moral hope.

So if Hill does take (by fair means or foul) the presidency--she is only going to plunge us deeper into socialism/open communism, which will result in open tax revolt, division among races, out and out brawling, and of course economic collapse.


Can't hit a girl
Feminist politicians rely on the fact that, contrary to popular belief, most men are reluctant to hit a woman. We are taught from a young age that this is the ultimate no-no, that girls are off-limits. My sister used this to her advantage, and would hit me with impunity, knowing that I could not defend myself. This is an essential part of our society, and is important for the protection of women, but cannot be extended to the political arena.

The Democratic debate this week is an example of what happens when male politicians treat a female politician like a guy: they look like a gang of brutes beating up on a defenseless woman. And Hillary has played this up, using her gender as a trump card.

I want women to run as candidates, and to be full participants in our democracy. But they cannot enjoy a sort of gender immunity from attack and expect to be respected as equals.

The Ballad of "capt" Robert

(sung to the tune of the Great Pretender)
======================================
Oh yes, Im the great bloviator
Pretending that I know it all
My need is such I BS too much
Im lonely but no one can tell

Oh yes, Im the great bloviator
Adrift in a mental world of my own
I play the game but to my real shame
Hal left me to dream all alone

Too real is this feeling of a mental end
Too real when my brain cant comprehend

Oh, yes, Im the great bloviator
Just laughing and gay like a fool
I seem to be what Im not, you see
Jet jock, helo guy, professor, so cool
Pretending that I know it all

Too real is this feeling of make believe
Too real when I feel when my brain cant conceive

Oh, yes, Im the great bloviator
Just laughing and gay like a tool
I seem to be what Im not, you see
I stopped using my brain like a fool
Pretending that I know it all


Composer - unknown

Robert, Left angle, etc
If you were stalwarts for integrity in government, I could have some respect for you. But you are not- if one has an R behind his name the slightest faux paux you are ready to lynch them; if one has a D you not only forgive them, but marvel at the skill with which they weasel out of it.
The point is, you will never change the minds of the chortling gallery of nutcases that is the american left. And the middle 20% could just as easily go dem if it is considered fashionable to do so. Bringing up the Clinton's scurrilous past to much might actually make it so. The 1994 conservative revolution happened because for one rare moment truth, reason, consistency and intelligence prevailed (had they continued to operate as true conservatives rather than re-elect-me panderers, we wouldn't be in this mess).
Stick to the facts about what Hillary really intends to do if she is elected- that's scary enough

wildwest: I totally disagree...
all that "lacking moral compass and pushing the limits of the law" you accuse the clinton of is total rightwing propaganda/bs...like i said your list of "crimes/scandals" aint worth the paper its printed on. bottom line, where are the indictments, covictions and, jail time?...your argument falls apart at the seams for the nonsense it is, because that is the bottom line proof which you dont have any.

instead of worrying about hillary, you need to focus worry about guliani who is the repub front runner..you think dems are gonna give him a free ride? this dude has a bunch of skeletons to be exposed. how bout him dancing in heels and stocking with the rockettes, how his own children cant stand him...oh and he is a social liberal...the 800 puound gorrila for repubs?
the highly unpopular prez and his iraq war...
continued support by the repub prez cominee is
certain defeat. get it?

robert
You are a fool to think that these policies will only be aimed at, and affect the far right. The ship will sink with ALL of us on it.

Ragnar
The ballad, like wine, only gets better with age!!

Robert the hypocrite weighs in
Robert wrote: "nows that what two adults do in private, is their own business. The nuts on the right try and make it their business."

Righto, Robby-poo. That's why YOU wrote that hilarious piece about how Republicans believe what they do because they can't get laid. Because you genuinely believe their sex life is their own business.

Lying sack of hypocritical dog poo. Go back to the litterbox whence you came.

Do try to come up with...
...a legitimate reason why you think

- offering witnesses bribes to encourage them to lie is a private matter
- threatening violence against women for telling the truth is a private matter
- rape is a private matter
- extorting sex from professional subordinates, using state police as your pimps, is a private matter.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of these things. Or, is it actually the case that "it's a private matter" is nothing but partisan spin to cover a genuine embarrassment produced by a genuine felon?

LeftAngle and the usual cowardly excuse
LeftAngle produces the expected, favorite falsehood of the Left when he writes: ", where are the indictments, covictions [sic] and, jail time?...your argument falls apart at the seams for the nonsense it is, because that is the bottom line proof which you dont have any."

We'll ignore for the moment the guilty plea Clinton offered the Bar Association, which establishes the facts of the case.

The correct reply is this: I will produce reasonable evidence of the claims against Clinton on the day you produce one of the following, and not a moment sooner:

1) A conviction against Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Geroge W. Bush, Gen Patreus, Dick Rumsfeld, or any of the other Republicans lying sacks of garbage like you have raised charges of felonies against, nonstop, without even the slightest hint of logical reason, let alone evidence that will stand up in court; or

2) A heartfelt apology for viciously, falaciously, and with utterly evil intent attempting to ruin the reputations of said Republicans in clear violation of your own alleged standards of proof.

Until I see those, LeftAngle, you're just another lying, hypocritical, false-witness-bearing, vicious, disgusting liberal.

Go home and have lunch your buddy, satan, ok?

mld nyc girly man
I see you now think you know the environs of phoenix. Jealous of anyone owning property since you don't. As for bj's it seems to be the activity of choice amongst you selfish libs. Real men believe in satisfying a woman. Obviously you are the same selfish type as your hero bubba. I pity your poor wife. She, by your comments, must seek her pleasure elsewhere. It appears the only bush you are concerned with is the resident in the white house. btw still waiting for something witty

OMFG, too funny!!!!
Dogg writes: "The explanation is these things NEVR happened - no rapes, no threats, no bribes - it's all in your head...and just because you read them on Newsmax or World Net Daily - don't make them true."

I see. So Billy Bob lied when he plead guilty in front of the Arkansas Bar and had his law license revoked. And the House of Representatives lied when they turned in a bill of Impeachment. And none of the facts produced in public by literally dozens of women were facts. They were all made up.

The depth of denial in liberals is beyond measurement.

Well
I see Rockhead J.Squirel and Massively Loopy Dip are continuing their inanities. Still no space for intelligent discussion.

YLG Re; Robert
Re: your comments of 12:15 Thanks.
Of course my initial intent was to inform everyone that “capt” Robert, is a Phony, whose claimed credentials are products of a deranged and delusional personality. But now I do it not just to inform those new to TH, but also because my posts drive poor “capt” Robert into an apoplectic, defensive rage. And I just love baiting this phony sack of SH1T. His buttons are sooo easy to push. LMAO

disgusted
It is amazing how fast the comments on these pages degenerate into name calling. It is very obvious that the lefties who post on here HATE President Bush and blame him for every thing that goes wrong. Those on the left should note that those on the right are not happy with Bush either. But to blame W for 9/11 is absolutely ludicris. Most of the negative comments I see from leftist posters here are related to the "illegal" invasion of Iraq. I will not waste my time posting information that has been posted a thousand times before. You won't listen, your mind is made up. Fine, believe what you want to believe. You go right ahead and vote for Hillary. Get her and a Democratic majority in Congress in charge of everything. Watch what happens then; Socialized medicine like Britian and Canada. Long waits for treatment and poor care are the result. See government control of EVERYTHING turn us into more of a nanny state than we are now. Socialism does not work, has not worked and never will work no matter who is in charge. Those of us who work will have even more of our paychecks taken away to pay for those who can't or who won't because it is easier to let the government take care of everything. I am baffled why you think the government is more competent or fair that the private sector. I could go on but there is a word count limit. I hope you leftist are happy eight years down the road if your get Hillary elected. I hope your health and finances are better. I am sure mine won't be. Our Nation's won't be. GOD BLESS AMERICA despite our stupidity.

Ragnar, Lumberjack
Ragnar: Too true, compadre. His head seems to want to explode.

Lumberjack: What did you expect? They share a brain cell.

Georgetwin
No it's not scary, it's sad.

Ragnar
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Rockhead J. Squirrel writes
And with that I have to go do some "night things".

latter or later.

Robert

How about never, instead?

Hillary/Bill and Jail
The reason Both Hillary and Bill haven't gone to jail is:

1. Others went to jail for them and refused to testify.

2. They were able to successfully obstruct justice and get away with it because they were liberal politicians (lose billing records and lie to GJ)

3. They are slick lying Lamocrats and it is impossible to prosecute slick lying Lamocrates because most of the DC Plutocracy is slick lying Lamocrats and half of the Republicans are slick lying RINOs who should be Lamocrats.

This time Hillary is out there on her own with these election law violations. Her campaign has already paid massive fines and they haven’t got past the top of the iceberg yet.

inkling revival: go negative then...
get the "rnc attack/slime machine" gassed up and ready to go, when and if hillary c. gets the dem
nomination..then unload you wagon on slime on her if you wish...go ahead do it...

the bottom line is this..the only people that give a rats arse about your convoluted list of
"Clinton crimes/scandals" are right wing nutjobs/conspiracy theorist such as yourself.
anybody with any common sense is gonna ask:

"My god if the clintons did all this dirt, why are they not in jail."

the reason is your list is pure bs, none of the charges hold water or they would have been indicted, convicted and jailed, which the were not. ...it's all in your head.

conversely if hillary c. is such a criminal, WHY is she the front runner in money raised, to win the dem nomination and the POTUS?

I have never said any of the people you listed commited a crime. what i said is I disagree with their politics.

face it dude; repubs are in disarray and the most likely outcome is the Clintons will be back in the wh. too bad..

mld: repubs rather not talk of Guiliani
for god sake there are pictures of this man who
is the front runner for the repub prez nominee
DRESSED IN DRAG AND DANCING WITH THE ROCKETTES IN HEELS AND STOCKINGS..LMAO

THOS are goning to make an excellent campaign
posters...

ANTI-HILLARY AD

defensive driving
In re the comment, "It is amazing how fast the comments on these pages degenerate into name calling," I again say that this happens as soon as even one person responds to "the infesters" in any way at all. I know it requires self-discipline, but it would produce the desired result. Consider, if, no matter how nasty, juvenile or irrational the posts that the usual suspects put on this site are, no one responded in any way, but simply scrolled right by them, ignored them completely, there would be no saisfaction for them at all. Refuse to acknowledged their existance, and they will ultimately go away. And to anticipate some "free speech" take on this, they can still put whatever they wish to post here, but they have no "right" to a response. It does no good to try to "debate" any of them, they are impervious.

GOP Fronrunner Likes to Crossdress?
is difficult to shock New Yorkers, yet Rudy Giuliani teetered close to the line when he sauntered onto a stage wearing a platinum-blond wig, a face full of makeup, dainty white gloves and a frilly pink gown filled out in all the right places.

Shortly after winning re-election that year, Giuliani took his feminine side to a national audience. While hosting "Saturday Night Live," he appeared in one skit as a bosomy, gray-haired Italian grandmother in lipstick and a flowered housedress, with stockings pulled halfway up his calves.

Political observers say many voters associate a macho demeanor with Giuliani's post-Sept. 11 image as a strong national leader in a time of crisis — an image that could lose its power if dressed in stockings and dancing the cancan.

Yes, there was another year when he wore fishnets and did high kicks with the Rockettes.

"People think of him as a leader and a tough guy, and he has this image as somebody who tamed the city of New York and made the trains run on time, and seeing him dressed up like a girl would run contrary to all of those things," said political science professor Neal Thigpen of Francis Marion University in South Carolina.

With conservative voters largely dominating presidential primaries, some experts say the footage of Giuliani cavorting about in women's wear could significantly damage his chances there and throughout the South. The images are already showing up on the Internet, including a mock campaign commercial on the popular video-trading site YouTube.



Republican Attack Machine?
Please. There ain't no such thing. Republicans have always shown up for the gun fight with a pocket knife. I only wish they had an attack machine. Democrats have no compunction about making the most vicious accusations and blatant lies, while Republicans have always taken the moral high road and gotten their rear-end's handed to them. Democrats have no problem playing the victim card, the race card, the poverty card, the homophobia card, and any other outrage of the day card. Hilary is a master of this, and would definitely make hey of the mean, rascally Republicans beating up on the poor defenseless woman. I don't have any faith that Republican's can pull it off.

What about Hillary?
I have noticed that, when faced with the brutal truths about Hillary's shady dealings, liberals do what they do best: attack Bush.

Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq, therefore it is irrelevant that Hillary went foraging through her opponents' raw FBI files. Bush cut taxes, so we can ignore the fact that busboys in Chinatown are mysteriously coming up with $2,000 each to donate to Hillary's campaign (money-laundering anyone?). And lets not forget all the money that the State of Arkansas paid her for... what exactly?

She has not been convicted of a crime in much the same way OJ is "innocent". A vindictive, conniving felon is very likely to be the next president; lets not let that happen just because some of you hate the last one.

Left Angle writes:
Shortly after winning re-election that year, Giuliani took his feminine side to a national audience. While hosting "Saturday Night Live," he appeared in one skit as a bosomy, gray-haired Italian grandmother in lipstick and a flowered housedress, with stockings pulled halfway up his calves.

Good lord, it was a Saturday Night Live Skit (and most people KNOW that), not a GLBT pride parade in San Francisco. Left Angle, I know you may not believe it, but people outside NYC , and Hollyweird actually watch the show. Granted I haven't really watched it, since Ackroyd, Belushi, Radner, Curtain, Chase, et al left it.

Michael Reagan's advice -- ignore it.
The worst things we Republicans can do in 2008 is look like a bunch of shrill, philistine Mrs. Grundys out there revisiting a few private encounters between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky circa 1996-97. Few in this country could care less. Taking Michael Reagan's advice would be a disaster. Mrs. Clinton's stock in the polls would rise 10 points overnight.

I agree with this article
I think we always think that if armed with alarming statistics and facts around the non-electability of a candidate, that facts will triumph... Michael gloats over the apparent ability of the right wing attack machine to dismantle Hillary and I don't think there is an ounce of reason to gloat. You know, we only have to look at the unprecedented attacks from the Left during the last two presidential elections, the second being the most amazing example of unapologetic vile. So blatant was the effort, so blatant the MSM bias, that the only conclusion any thinking person can come up with regarding Bush's reelection, is that Kerry was a unprecedented and colossal idiot. The amount of money, the height and breadth, and viscious reach of the left wing attach machine reached right out of popular culture. Movie stars bum-rushed microphones to posit their latest fashionable opinions, and rock stars heaved sensational rhetoric on embarrasingly apathetic, ignorant, and stoned college kids, and to what end? Nada...

If the right thinks that Hillary is going to crash and burn over a reshash of the same tired, retreaded conspiracy s***, they have unwittingly drunk the poison vintage they have trampled out...

Conservatives, true conservatives, unite! We can only win by being smart, and right...


Robert writes: 4000 Americans blah, blah
I couldn't even take the time to read any of the other posts. I have to reply to this inanity. How how long have we been in Iraq and have lost only 4000 troops? Robert...just this year, we have lost 6000 teen-age drivers on our national highways! Get a perspective on life. What good did these teen-agers ever do for this country? What good did those soldiers do for this country?

If you can't see that, I fear for this country that people like you are actually able to vote in our national elections.

lumberjack: a response
that was from a article i stumbled onto today.

from what i read it appears that these images of
Guiliani in "crossdress drag" mode are popping up all over the internet and on you tube.com etc.

I've seen some of the images and they are not flattering for a repub prez candidate trying to attract the vote of consevatives.,

i would caution you repubs/cons from trying to slime hillary clinton. what goes around comes around and payback is a dog.

Democrats beat up on their own
Ever seen a pen full of duck or chickens? There is always one or two of the animals that the others pick on. Some of them actually have their feathers pecked off by the other "bullies."

The Democrats remind me of this pen full of fowl who have no problem pecking at the "weak" one until the owner feels compelled to rescue the poor animal from the bullies.

The only difference between the pen full of chickens or ducks and the Democrats is; the animals know who they are and don't apologize for their actions. Democrats act the same way, then accuse other for doing the very same thing they are doing.

If one Republican candidate even looks cross-wise at Hillary when the presidential debates take place, you will see what I am talking about.


Democrats beat up on their own
Ever seen a pen full of duck or chickens? There is always one or two of the animals that the others pick on. Some of them actually have their feathers pecked off by the other "bullies."

The Democrats remind me of this pen full of fowl who have no problem pecking at the "weak" one until the owner feels compelled to rescue the poor animal from the bullies.

The only difference between the pen full of chickens or ducks and the Democrats is; the animals know who they are and don't apologize for their actions. Democrats act the same way, then accuse other for doing the very same thing they are doing.

If one Republican candidate even looks cross-wise at Hillary when the presidential debates take place, you will see what I am talking about.


Left Angle writes:
from what i read it appears that these images of
Guiliani in "crossdress drag" mode are popping up all over the internet and on you tube.com etc.

Dressing in drag for an SNL skit is a far cry from having 1000 confidential FBI files on your opponents in the living quarters of the WH.

I am convinced that Robert
is not entirely pleased with his life as a night security guard at an animal shelter. He constantly yaps and dumps inanities at all hours of the day or night. He must be hoping to be discovered by Mickie Kos. Perhaps he could start the blog that his mother suggests; Move-out.mom

lumberjack: you think so...
as far as i know absolutely nothing came of filegate, did it not? just like the rest of your list of clinton "crimes/scandals". nada, zip, zilch.

and i keep telling you reread the article. it wasnt just a snl skit.. there were several documented incidents of rudy g. "crossdressing in drag". the pictures and film are becoming
more popular on the internet by the day.

you telling me this plays well with conservatives?

Left Angle writes:
and i keep telling you reread the article. it wasnt just a snl skit.. there were several documented incidents of rudy g. "crossdressing in drag". the pictures and film are becoming
more popular on the internet by the day.

you telling me this plays well with conservatives?

Seems to me that you lefties are the ones doing the hatchet job. Maybe you need to take your own advice and lay off.

Whether or not anything came out of filegate is kinda irrelevant. Just the thought of the Wicked Witch of Chappaqua having hem should frighten anybody.

lumberjack: one good hatchet job....
deserves another...good luck.lol

Intimacy???!!!
Robert Said:
"you are still hung up on a blue dress.

I think that ll the GOP right just has a hang up about intimacy."

Are you serious???
If a powerful man taking sexual advantage of a young female intern is your idea of 'intimacy' then I don't know what to say.

It is nothing other than WRONG. Of course, this is just one issue - let's not forget perjury, subornation of perjury and obstruction of justice.
This is my first time posting here - I have been lurking and reading here for well over a year but I was so astonished by the above quoted comment that I had to respond.
Spenser

Robert replies to inkling
"...what two adults do in private, is their own business. The nuts on the right try and make it their business."

Precisely.

But more interesting was inkling's amusement at Robert's assertion that the xian posters here don't get enough sex.

Anyone read the postings of one jdw? I won't bother you with his sexual history, though by his own admission it is short. Very short.

But I did find a picture that made me think of him. He's the one on the left:

http://www.lileks.com/institute/dorcus/nellie.html

You boys have an image problem, laugh at it or not.

Spenser writes:
Intimacy???!!!
Robert Said:
"you are still hung up on a blue dress.

I think that ll the GOP right just has a hang up about intimacy."

Are you serious???
If a powerful man taking sexual advantage of a young female intern is your idea of 'intimacy' then I don't know what to say.

It is nothing other than WRONG. Of course, this is just one issue - let's not forget perjury, subornation of perjury and obstruction of justice.
This is my first time posting here - I have been lurking and reading here for well over a year but I was so astonished by the above quoted comment that I had to respond.
Spenser

That statement is just one of Rockhead J. Squirrel's (AKA Robert) many stupidities.

mellor
i think you are wrong on this issue. First prior to the 92 election bubba admitting that he had been less than faithful during his years as gov. and that behavior would not be repeated as president. But he used the oval office as a pick-up bar. If he did want to keep his behavior private he should have taken his sorry self to the local motel 6. What he did was also the thing that the feminists have been rallying against and that is a boss taking advantage of his position to gain favors, most often of the sexual nature, from those who report to him or that he has some power over in the job place. Further clinton signed an executive ortder that was designed to stop the same behavior that he himself later engaged in. Lastly he got others to lie and give him cover and then wagged his finger at us and told us this was all a lie meant to discredit him. But more importantly there are always those in the media looking for some juicy story and he was dumb enough to give them the ammunition to go after him. As we all know ego is a real b*tch and does more to mess up peoples lives than anything else.

I Understand
that the Republicans are eager to take a swing at Hillary -- in fadt, I heard that the Swiftboat veterans are all lined up, once they receive another $5,000,000 check, to say they spent a night with her at a Texas Best Western.

I found a Hillary Supporter !!!

It took 3 weeks of searching... and I found one. She is a 50-something, never-married, mad-at-the-world, emotional mess.

Hillary will not only lose the Presidency... I expect New Yorkers will kick her butt out of the Senate as well.

Na-Na-Na-Na...

Touj. writes:
I Understand
that the Republicans are eager to take a swing at Hillary -- in fadt, I heard that the Swiftboat veterans are all lined up, once they receive another $5,000,000 check, to say they spent a night with her at a Texas Best Western.

I don't any man who would be desperate enough to spend a night with the Wicked Witch of Chapaqua. Hell, even Wee Willie Weinie Wagger doesn't do that much anymore.

Faux outrage is at home here
I love it when wingnuts wax on about the Clinton Administration, especially when they cite cases (like Byrd does ad nauseum) that panned out to NADA - several millions taxpayers wasted dollars later.

Oh, to have those good old days back, when the rabid right took umbrage to a blue dress - such peaceful times, yes? Now, thanks to the Compassionate Conservative Torturer-in-Chief - the same guy who promised to "elevate" the office of President - we are stuck in a deadly no-win situation in Iraq, we've inflamed the entire middle east and our allies across the world. We've become the torture capital, putting our own soldiers in jeopardy as a result and our government has been spying on us and lying to us with impunity.

Yeah, Byrd, you've done plenty of proper GOP mewling about regarding the "blue dress" Dems. Now, run along and sign up for the next war your hero is preparing us to fight. Better yet, volunteer to show us how fun the CIA "swim lesson" can be (Isn't this what you guys call waterboarding these days?)

lumberjack
I am sure that there are several recently released from being guests of various state institutions who might, just might find her appealing.

Lumberjack
I don't think you read my post carefully enough - I said that the Swiftboaters are going to say it, so it obviously doesn't have to be true.

Torture
The only torture America is guilty of is allowing liberals freedom of speech.

Ouch! OUCH!! Oweeeee!

touj
tyhen explain what dan rather did was any different

Scandal? Small spuds.
How about murder?

Don't mess with the Clinton's plan for power. You could end up dead.

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Clinton_Scandals/dead_fri ends.htm

Clinton scandals? Small spuds.
How about the Clinton "mysteries"?

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Clinton_Scandals/dead_fri ends.htm

Pass this around to all sober adults. The survivors might one day get justice.

mld the libs excuse for a human
with clowns like you every argument gets back to your old stand by blame bush. It is beyond your reading comprehension but the thread was about the clintons. We are aware you suffer from attention deficit. Did your ambulance chaser daddy sue the doctors for your affliction. What I am amzaed about however is you bootlicking libs who continually defend bubba's stupidity. For such a clever fellow from redneck arkansas, oh wait with you big city libs, everyone born in the south is intellectually inferior, I guess that explains why the stupid bubba got caught. Since you libs always claim to be so touchy feely why aren't your ofering some compassion for bubba treating your heroine, the missus clinton, like a doormat that he wiped his dirty boots one when he got caught with mud on his shoes

LA
I used to seee the world from more of a "left angle." Well, count me as a Clinton convert to the Republican party. This guy was so corrupt, smarmy, and sleazy, that he opened my eyes to reality. Too bad you choose to ignore what this "man" truly is, and continue to support his corruption and endlessly corrupt party.

Also LA
IF THE CLINTONS ARE SO PURE, WHY DO THE CHINESE KEEP BRIBING THEM? WHAT DO THE CHINESE THINK THEY CAN GET FROM LIBERALS AND THE CLINTONS THAT REPUBLICANS WILL NOT GIVE THEM?

Touj-still trying to peddle...
that nonsense that the Swiftboaters are/were lying? I guess that's what a Madison education will do for you. Kerry has been caught in several lies and he still hasn't signed the form (as promised several times) to release records that could clear some of this up. Could it be that this release would prove Kerry an even bigger liar? That's a bet I would take.

cookie
i challenged touj to justify dan rather's actions. Rathers lies concerning the president were so blantant and totally false even the network was forced to dump him. Rather's las tlame excuse, that he knew trhey stories were true he just couldn't prove it shows how lame the left truly is.

What touj doesn't seem to understand...

NOBODY really reads her posts... much less carefully.

Not worth it... And neither is roberto's.




Lorie says, "Michael Reagan is asking

Democrats to lay off Hillary so that Republicans can have another go at her."

I read the column. It was excellent, but I do think it was pretty much tongue and cheek.

There are a couple of Republican candidates that I'd really like to see take a whack at her... but I also believe that while it won't happen, most of us would rather see her not get the nomination.

(Although, after the last debate when she started to crack just debating her own party candidates, and then whined about the "gender card" maybe they're seeing that she's not ready for pime time. Can't play with the big boys, you shouldn't be playing where the big boys play!)

anne
perhaps if we ignore all the trolls, although touj doesn't understand what we mean by the term, they will seek amusement else where. We recognize the dnager the missus clinton poses to the country and yet the leftists come here to convince us we are wrong. But notice they can neither defend her actions or positions, they are unable to tell us why the like her nor can they present a plausible argument she should be elected pres. But in the debate the missus clinton by mentioning presidnet bush some 24 times gave the theme of her campaign. It is all hatred of bush that is driving the dims. Dr Krauthammer in his column clearly stated the case that should the missus clinton get elected, bubba will be running the show. He has the experience and the charm she totally lacks. In any meeting all eyes would turn to him for his imput and his missus would always take a back seat.

Cookie: Swiftboaters are/were lying? Ha

It's mind boggling, isn’t it?

You’re right, Kerry has been caught in several lies and he still hasn't signed the form (as promised several times) to release records that could clear up the questions. Is there any question that IF he signed the release, and the truth was exposed, a couple of things would probably happen….

1. We’d find out what a real liar Kerry is.
2. The Swiftboaters would be vindicated (even after one or two of them already took and passed lie detector tests.

The interesting thing is, the libs can’t quite tell the difference between “smearing” someone and “exposing the truth” about someone.

And, what? A Madison education! Big fat deal!

wildwest: Nightmare! Were you on the

thread last night when someone suggested the horrible idea of HELLary naming Slick Willie as her VEEP?

Now that's like the move The Exorcist coming to life!



anne
did you read dr krauthammers column on another th thread today. He maintains that should the missus clinton get elected bubba will in fact be president. Very persusive argument

Anne, wildwest
This is off topic, but FYI, the University of Delaware has recalled all the manuals (that said only white people were racist) used by the RAs in the dorms. They are "up for review", according to the university president.

Wildwest: No, not yet. But I will...

No doubt he's right. Of course Slick Willie will be running the show.

HELLary hasn't ever really managed anything, much less accomplished anything without botching it.

And it was clear Tues. night that she's not ready for prime time.... flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop, and whine, whine, whine, "they're picking on me because I was a girl..." And, oh that Russert guy, he asked me tough questions...


HOW PATHETIC!




anne
i am sure it is the same way at your place. I live with a woman not a girl. The missus clinton sounds like a peeved teener who want's the prom dress but mommy and daddy aren't giving it to her. But she also told the union flacks that she was their girl. I wonder how her feminist buds like the way she portrays herself.

wildwest & anne
Hillary was finally asked a mildly tough question and the rarer than a bald eagle, follow-up question. I have waited a decade for her to be asked a tough question, let alone a follow-up question. You know what, SHE CAN'T TAKE IT!!!

Anne, always remember that revealing someone's voting record is called a smear campaign if it is a Republican exposing a dem. However, lying about the number of black churches burned down and/or claiming more black churches will burn is a Republican is president is just hard campaigning to the MSM.

BTW, in the past, if anyone got near asking her about one of her scandals, her response was that it was old news. The MSM would dutifully then go on to something else. Do you think a Republican would get away with saying something is in the past and the press moving on? No way!

It doesn't matter
Whether what I say about the swiftboaters lying - the person who was in the best position to know was the actual doctor who treated him that day, whose name was actually on the medical report as opposed to the swiftboater to tried to say he was the physician. It's the real DR;. who said the swifties were lying through their teeth.

BUt hey, Republicans are nothing if not capitalists, right? Money is money, after all, and five million dollars is lots of money. WHEn you have enough people who are dumb enough to believe anything, lies are more valuable than votes.


Just Release
the records. Come on. Sign the form Senator Kerry.

Rockhead J. Squirrel writes:
that somone is stupid

And that somEone is himself

Swifties
The compilation of lies, pay-offs, admissions, contradictions - some that even Bush admitted to - on behalf of the swifties are pretty well summed up here:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/swiftboat.htm

Think I'll try to find a more interesting thread.

Hillary is afraid
of the press.

Eventually, it will get her.

RELENTLESS
HC believes strongly that politics is a zero-sum game and the pot on the table is worth applying "By Any Means Necessary" tactic derived from Lenin, Stalin and here in America Saul Akinsky.

She will provide opponents no rest, her attacks will be relentless; ergo, it is up to us to be equally relentless. "Skeletons in the closet!", all her mansions and everywhere she is are filled with skeletons and she accumulates more bones with every word.

wildwaste says:
"Rathers lies concerning the president were so blantant and totally false even the network was forced to dump him."

Rather was NEVER accused of lying - he has been accused - in the warpublican blogosphere of using fake documents as PART of an indictment of Bush's gone AWOL during his Texas vacation and draft dodge. This is ALL based on the type-faces of old FAXED documents and second hand sources doubting their authenticity - no one has PROVEN a single iota of evidence that Rather "lied." That CBS got weak knees in the face of Warpublican and White House threats will ALL be exposed in Dan's lawsuit - and when the President himself is called to the docket, then you'll see some REAL lying in front of a judge - and it won't be about a blow job (which - from one of your comments above, you never done had because "REAL men please their women.") That YOU would indict a news network and a great journalist in an effort to cover up for your failure of a president is not a surprise to me - everything you write - everything you think - everything you post - is indicative of a small-minded man and a loser. As a first generation American - I don't expect you to GET it - you're basically one step above the "illegals" you describe as "parasites" from southern "toilets", proving - of course, that the peasant can leave the Eastern European wasteland for America - but at heart he'll always be a PEASANT. Now go till some soil...

Sign the Release
Senator Kerry
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