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Friday, February 23, 2007
Lorie Byrd :: Townhall.com Columnist
This is what a real outing looks like
by Lorie Byrd
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There has been an incredible amount of media attention paid to the “outing” of Valerie Plame. In spite of extensive interviews granted by her camera-loving husband, Joe Wilson, asserting the current administration intentionally outed a covert CIA agent, there have yet to be any charges filed against anyone for outing Plame. This weekend, readers of the L.A. Times (in a special report by Bob Drogin and John Goetz) were able to get a look at a real outing in my neck of the woods -- eastern North Carolina.

Unlike Valerie Plame, who was removed from covert duty years earlier, the subjects of the L.A. Times story, three North Carolina pilots, were recently involved in extremely sensitive covert actions flying CIA rendition flights. The three pilots have, along with ten others, been indicted in a German court, for their involvement in the “extraordinary rendition” of Khaled Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent.

“Flight records show that Aero Contractors, based in Smithfield, N.C., operated the plane that carried Masri from Macedonia to Afghanistan. The charter aircraft company has flown scores of sensitive missions for the CIA and has played a key support role in counter-terrorism operations since the Sept. 11 attacks, according to former agency officials.”

The pilots’ real names were not disclosed in the L.A. Times, but some pretty specific information was. The report included information that all three pilots live “within a 30-minute drive of the guarded Aero hangar and offices at the rural Johnston County airport.” Also reported was the type of car driven by two of the men and some details about what else might be found in their driveways, as well as some information about their homes.

"In real life, the chief pilot is 52, drives a Toyota Previa minivan and keeps a collection of model trains in a glass display case near a large bubbling aquarium in his living room. Federal aviation records show he is rated to fly seven kinds of aircraft as long as he wears his glasses…

His copilot, who used the alias Fain, is a bearded man of 35 who lives with his father and two dogs in a separate subdivision…

The third pilot, who used the alias Bird, is 46, drives a Ford Explorer and has a 17-foot aluminum fishing boat. Certified as a flight instructor, he keeps plastic models of his favorite planes mounted by the fireplace in his living room in a house that backs onto a private golf course here."

These men were using aliases for a reason. The L.A. Times did not provide names or Google Maps to their homes, but they provided enough information to give anyone wanting to find them a pretty good start. The L.A.Times reporters are not the only ones to have visited the pilots’ homes.

“An associate of the Institute for Southern Studies has also visited the homes of the pilots. Although the suspects quickly closed their doors and declined to comment when confronted about the rendition flights, we can corroborate the Times' story that these men match photographs of pilots based in Johnston County, NC, where the CIA had been conducting renditions through Aero Contractors.”

I have yet to see a report indicating that any of the pilots or their family members granted interviews. According to the L.A. Times report, “None of the pilots responded to repeated requests for comment left with family members and on their home telephones.” One comment included was from the wife of one pilot who was called at her office. She said her husband had done no wrong and that “he’s just a pilot.”

That is in sharp contrast to the case of Valerie Plame, whose husband’s reaction to her name being mentioned in a Bob Novak column was to book dozens of interviews and grant a Vanity Fair magazine spread featuring pictures of both Plame and him.

Clarice Feldman, who has been covering the perjury trial of Scooter Libby, sums up the Plame "outing" from her observations of the trial and the case in general. “In the Libby case there is not a scintilla of proof that Plame was an undercover CIA agent, that any harm to national security occurred by the disclosure of her identity, and the person responsible on the record for having disclosed it--Dick Armitage--was never charged with anything….”

The “outing” of Valerie Plame received an incredible amount of media attention with the thrust of most reports being that a great wrong had been committed and serious damage done to national security. There has already been some publicity surrounding Aero Contractors’ role in the CIA missions, but previously none providing information indicating the specific location of the individuals involved.

Fourteen demonstrators were arrested for protesting at the Aero offices last fall, prior to this recent L.A. Times story. By all accounts, that protest was peaceful, but now with the information provided in the Times’ story, it would not be difficult for anyone to locate the homes of the pilots and their families.

Don’t expect the same type treatment the Plame case received to be applied to this story. The L.A.Times story ends with this quote about one of the rendition missions, “On the flight back to Washington, after the snow had cleared, the rendition team celebrated by ordering 17 shrimp cocktails and three bottles of fine Spanish wine, according to catering invoices obtained by the prosecutors. “ I don’t remember seeing much attention paid to Joe and Valerie Wilson’s cocktails, but I guess that is because their story was about how they were victims of an outing.

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treason?
now THIS is outing and treason in my opinion. No excuses for this type of behavior by so called journalist.

fair question
Bob Drogin and John Goetz - what are their addresses?

Fair question.

What value?

What value was there is providing that amount of detaail, unless you were hoping to damage any future missions?

Why has no one been charged in this
outing. The Libby prosecution is DA misconduct. This is a real outing but there is no clamer. This is proof positive that the Valery Plame investigation was a political witch hunt. Hey, all of you liberal trolls that come on here screeming for someone's head on the Plame affair, don't you want someone's head here?

Good for goose, not good for gander?
I'm wondering if reporters and newsies would understand that if we hired PIs to dig up their private dirt and then published it around, why that would just be an exercise of our first amendment rights, wouldn't it?

If they can imperil and embarrass troops and operatives, certainly we can do the same -- and so can our agents in the government.

War needs to be taken to the enemy. These people are the enemy. Let's take it to 'em.

equal outings???
Not sure how the two outings are the same.

One was retribution for pointing out the shortcomings of a story that the attack on Iraq was based.

The other was information on criminals about the secret movements of human beings for probable torture at secret facilities.

Who Cares?
Valerie Plame was nothing more than a high level civil service paper pusher with a huge ego. What kind of "undercover" work would she be doing - performing as a "secret" shopper at the mall? Her husband is no less full of himself and appears to be a legend in his own mind when in reality he's just a low-level gofer for the democratic political machine. All-in-all just a couple of political kiss-a**es.
As for the CIA pilots; they chose to do this work and should know how to cope with a situation of this type. Everyone knows what a bunch of self-serving morons the press has become so if you work for the CIA in some service capacity you should be prepared to contend with them.
Maybe someone will publish the addresses of the LA Times journalists who "investigated" this earth-shaking story so we can "watch" their every move - no telling what we can discover and publish.

Vic
What's funny about the whole situation is that Plame was about as covert a spy as Barney Frank is gay! But then again, you can't expect facts to get in the way of these emotional liberal girliemen. If the "FEEL" it's wrong, well, then, their panties wad up automatically!

Vic 2
clamor, not clamer

screaming, not screeming

I do agree with your question.

0n the cusp of a political landslide?
I can't help but wonder at what point will people simply say "enough"?


biff, biff, biff
Valerie was so not-covert that those who discussed her working for the CIA didn't even know they shouldn't. (Else why is Armitage not under indictment as we sit here?)

Her working for the CIA was relevant to the story because that's how the anti-Bush Joe Wilson managed to get his assignment. Joe lied and said V.P. Cheney asked for him; should his lie not have been rebutted?

If Val was so very covert, perhaps 1) she should not have inserted herself into the action, and 2) Joe should not have published a misleading column in the NYT.

If you feel that it is the job of the NYT and LAT to be sure that we can't effectively fight the WOT, then I'm sure you appreciate their widely proclaiming the criminality of the U.S. and the outing of any covert actors or actions.

Once again, the rule is GOP or USA = presumption of guilt; Dem or lib or anti-USA = presumption of innocence.

Polly
So well said.

Fair Question
The reporters who wrote the story better hope those three pilots don't have a problem. Some people in this country still have long memories, and don't always insist on waiting for what passes for justice in these days.

If we had a real Attorney General, he would even now be filing charges against these people for outing covert operators.

Of course, the CIA isn't saying a word. Everyone in Washington appears to be anti-American. It's enough to make one sick with disgust.

Who's Who in America
The question is how and why does someone get prosecuted as the results of an investigation when from the beginning of the investigation it was determined no law, the entire reason for the investigation, had been broken? It wasn't like they raided Libby's home and found evidence in plain sight to an entirely different crime. If the original crime was not committed why did any investigation continue, except for ruthless political warfare. That should frighten every American, liberal or conservatives. It is prosecutorial zealotry and misconduct at its worst.

The Democrats from the Church Committee on have acted as if the CIA was the personification of evil. Hollywood has made more than several movies where the evil perpetrators were the CIA or from the CIA. The Democratic leadership, even though they had access to all the intelligence that the Bush Administration had, claimed they were lied to. The evidence clearly points that if they were lied to it was by the same CIA they had made "political correct" over the years. Yet when a middle level manager, Ms. Plame can so influence the CIA leadership to send her unqualified husband to collect and then obviously misreport information critical to the nation's security, why aren't these same Democrats outraged?

The real issue has never been the supposed "outing" of Plame but the awful mess that the CIA had been turned into between the mid-1970s and 9-11-2001. Appreciate Ms. Plame was in the CIA PRIOR to 9-11. Remember that more than a couple of bipartisan committee reports clearly indicated that our intelligence services either failed completely or so lacked imagination that they could not see the handwriting on the wall of what was coming on 9-11-2001.

Once upon a time internal American politics ended at our borders, especially during time of war or great risk of war. We did our best to present a united front. If we have been lied to or mis-lead as many on the Left now scream it is hard to look at the facts that were available at the time of decision making and not blame the Democratic Leadership's actions for laying the ground work for those lies.

Yet the facts are far worse and more dangerous the the country and our freedoms. The Democrats in their blind zeal for world political correctness gutted and made impotent our intelligence services. And the Republicans when in power failed to correct even the most obvious problems or raise them as risks to our national security. In WWII we beat the Germans due to the extraordinary intelligence work and the sacrifice of many agents. We beat the Japanese in the same way. Wars are avoided by excellent intelligence and won by good intelligence. We had neither prior to 9-11-2001 and we have only little better today in Iraq and elsewhere in this war.

biff's response
The very fact that biff characterizes the Libby/Plame case as having anything to do with "retribution" tells us absolutely everything we need to know about his politics, his presumptions, and his prejudices. His opinion is worthless, inasmuch as it constitutes the standard Leftist tactic of trying to repeat a lie so often that people come to ignore the evidence and believe the lie instead.

That's right: he LIES. Just like a Leftist.

There was no retribution in the Libby/Plame case, there was no perjury, there was no outing, there was no crime.

But lie away Biff; the sad thing is that your vile tactics - which came straight from Lenin, so bow to your Master - actually seem to work.

To DonandD
Not only did Joe lie, as proven on numerous occasions, but you know that he lied, so therefore you are a liar as well. maybe the Fitz should come after you.

People are so easily fooled ...
and this is a sad comment on the sorry state we have come to.

Charges were never brought against anyone for "outing" Valerie Plame because either the President declassified her status prior to the "not-for-attribution" interviews given by Libby to selected, uncritical mouthpieces in the Washington press corps, or else the Vice President did it (because he was given authority ... after the fact but post facto ... by Executive Order). Given evidence presented at the trial, the latter is most likely the case. Hopefully, after Scooter is found guilty on at least one of the charges, the Federal Attorney will then proceed to continue his investigation and eventually file an indictment against the Vice President.

This must happen because elected (or even appointed) officials in government cannot abuse the power they are given to extract revenge against individuals or groups that they perceive as "enemies" ... to "screw our enemies", as John Dean so eloquently described it the last time people in an Administration were caught abusing the power we entrust to them.

Brewster Jennings and Associates was a very real CIA front organization. The legitimate work it did provided a source for important information to the intelligence community regarding the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction ... most notably nuclear technologies. It took a long time to establish a position of trust in that nether world of legitimate and illigitimate business, and in a few brief days, all of that work evaporated in a senseless act of retribution by the Vice President.

This is a world of difference between a German indictment of American pilots who kidnapped and transported people accused of no crime to secret prisons in totalitarian regimes (some even identified "enemies" of the American people) for indefinite internment and torture. Whether or not the LA Times should have published such detailed descriptions of the indicted men before they were arrested and/or charged is questionable, and certainly open to investigation ... but I want to know why they have not been arrested and turned over to the German authorities?

This is rotten...
...but it's not an "outing" under US law. The LAT reporters apparently got their info from the indictment in German court. Germany has no obligation to keep such an indictment secret. Since Khaled Masri, the subject of the extraordinary rendition, was a German citizen, this is about what I would expect Germany to do.

The LAT reporters behaved as we have come to expect members of the news media to behave, and are probably making the lives of the pilots pretty miserable these days.

The Plame situation, if Plame had actually been a covert operative, and had been known to be one by those who spoke about her, would have come closer to qualifying as an "outing." To violate the law, you have to officially know about a covert operative's status, and communicate that information to unauthorized persons.

So we do need to make the distinction between official, responsible knowledge of covert status -- which only people with government clearances can have -- and the media who find out about it. It's the people with government clearances and official knowledge who can violate the law.

I don't think Scooter Libby, or anyone else in Cheney's officer, including Cheney, violated the law regarding Valerie Plame.

I also don't think anyone with official knowledge about the CIA pilots passed that info to the LA Times. Looks like the reporters got it from the German indictment.

It's well to keep in mind, though, that when classified US information comes to an American reporter from an unidentified source, the violator of the law is the person with official knowledge and a clearance who GAVE the information, without authorization. That person is a stinking, rotten scoundrel who violated his oath six ways to Sunday, and needs to fry on a spit.

To DonandD
This is Joe’s own words from the article in the NY Slimes.

“In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office. “

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm

I’m sure you consider this a “conservative” lying paper. Since it was written by Joe himself, is he a “conservative”. Actually from the Senate Intelligence Report, which had previously posted a link to, we know that he was chosen for this trip BEFORE Cheney said anything.

The 9-11 commission documented his lying. The Senate Intel Report documented his lying. Even liberal pundit for NBC’s Meet the Press, Tim Russet, finally admitted he was lying. What else do you want?

donaldd
The lies are entirely on yours and Wilson's side. In point of fact, it was his CIA wife who got him his junket to Niger. In his book (which should rightfully have been named The Politics of Lies), Wilson claimed that "Valerie had nothing to do with the matter. She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip." This and other lies were thoroughly debunked by the Senate Intelligence committee. The Vice President's office had nothing to do with his trip.

Wilson is an angry political hack and an opportunist. Another miserable, insignificant Democrat flea.

Grotesque
CIA contractors are outted by the LA Times, numerous secrets have been spilled by the NY Times, Sandy Bergler gets a free pass for activities that would land me and anyone else with clearances 50 years in jail, but the government is persecuting Libby for no crime at all! Truly bizarre.

For all of this, I actually blame the wimpy Bush administration.

Plame was not in covert status
When all this took place Plame was neither in covert status nor was she still protected by the law, which is very specific. This special prosecutor would have charged if it had happened; he didn't. There was or is no bizarre conspiratorial plot for a Presidential directive declaring Plame not to be covert at the time. Geez, it must be nice to live in Holllywood conspiratorial fantasy and fairytale land 24-7.

Plame was listed in Who's Who where it named her employer prior to anyone discussing anything with Novak. That is where most of the reporters got her name after Wilson's NY Time so called op-ed. Plame was brought back to the USA from her covert assignment because the Russians had blown her cover publicly.

There is true evil in the world yet contrary to popular leftists and naive liberal beliefs it is not the Bush Administration or American corporations.

shays
Your last name isn't "Tolkien," is it? Because you seem to be pretty good at making up fantasy stories...

shays
The last corrupt administration we had was found to have 900 raw FBI files in their possession--accidentally, they told us. I can't remember who was prosecuted for that "accidental" possession. (Nor will we probably ever know what use was made of the information.)

and, too, shays
And when Hill testified that she didn't know where the Rose Law Firm billing records were, and they were later found in her room, was she prosecuted?

Scooter Libby has only himself to blame. He forgot the magic words that protected the Hillster: I'm sorry, I don't recall.

*laughing*
God help me, I never get tired of watching Donaldd make himself look like an idiot. I'm a bad bad man...

biff
Criminals? By whose justification? Yours? Your moonbat friends?

Probably for torture? Probably because this scumbag has involvement the terror war. As long as a Democrat uses such covert operations it's ok? You think this sort of thing just sprung up overnight after 2000? Because it is a secret means it is evil?

Go biff that head of yours against something hard, that thinking mechanisim up there is out of alignment.

misguided comparison
The LATimes article is a curious one. Most of it is interesting and informative. But some of the identifying details do some pointless and designed to start off a scavenger hunt to finding their identities. It almost looks like they are laying down enough markers so that when their names come out, the reporters can say see we did know who they are, we weren't just claiming to.

But it is hard to see what the comparison is supposed to be to people with access to classified information feeding that information to the press. If there was supposed to be a comparison here, presumably the reporters should be compared to Novak who received some criticism for running the Plame column, but there was never any suggestion that he had broken the law in doing so. So why is there supposed to be some disanalogy in the fact that with the reporters in this case there is nobody serious is suggesting that they broke the law?

Donaldd
Geez, Donaldd, are you now saying we should revisit the Sandy Berger matter?: "Whoever embezzles, steals, purloins, or knowingly converts to his use or the use of another, or without authority, sells, conveys or
disposes of any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof, or any
property made or being made under contract for the United States or any department or agency thereof."

Sure sounds like it should apply to Sandy, but then, remember, he was always soooo absent-minded.

what is supposed to be the lie here?
A quote that was given to show that Wilson is a liar was the following:

“In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office. “

What part of that is supposed to be the lie?

Cheney did ask about a report he thought was from the CIA saying that Iraq had tried to buy yellowcake from Niger. As far as anyone can tell Wilson never did see the report in question, but it did in fact refer to a memorandum that everyone now acknowledges was a poor forgery. The CIA did respond to Cheney's questions by looking into the matter by asking Wilson to look into it to provide an answer.

Now the CIA clearly made a mistake here. They took Cheney's questions to indicate that he wanted to know whether the report was true. In fact he apparently wanted to know that it was true, and when it turned out that the CIA lacked the information he thought would help his case, he lost interest. But the mistake here is one of thinking too highly of the VP.

Is the lie supposed to be the claim that it was CIA officers who asked him to go since they apparently asked him through his wife?

That actually gets at another puzzling question. Is the right wing line that Plame was an insignificant pencil pusher, or that she had enough power at the CIA to authorize unnecessary nepotistic junkets. These would seem to be inconsistent positions for her to have held at the CIA yet above they seem to be held interchangeably. Despite being an insignificant pencil pusher she was able to force the CIA to pay for her husband to take a luxury trip to Niger which he wasn't likely to be able to put on his resume.

Donaldd
You qouted Wilson's book? That's rich! And OJ's aborted book proved he didn't do it!

Your statements about Bush, conservatives, et al make you a most unreliable source for any valuable information. You would have hated Lincoln, the great emancipator. But, you just keep telling yourself Bush is a criminal and the conservative press lies, yadda yadda yadda.

For starters
The inimitable Donaldd cites US v. Morison for no apparent reason. Everyone agrees that it is against the law for government employees with clearances to knowingly pass classified information to journalists. The issue here is not whether it's "espionage" -- the salient finding of US v. Morison -- or whether it's violation of another act. What is disputed is whether anyone in the Vice President's office did it.

Notably, the special prosecutor has found no grounds to charge anyone with doing it.

For Donaldd: if you find yourself unable to avoid yielding to the urge to quote another long, irrelevant passage in response to this, well, knock yourself out. We love ya, man.

Phil1861
"The three pilots have, along with ten others, been indicted in a German court, for their involvement in the “extraordinary rendition” of Khaled Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent."

The above article dubbed them "criminals" by stating they had been indicted by a German court.

Guilt does not need to be proven -- as demonstrated by the plight of those that have not even been charged - that are being held and deemed terrorists without fair and open trials -- let alone being chargeed with any crimes.

Polly
"If you feel that it is the job of the NYT and LAT to be sure that we can't effectively fight the WOT, then I'm sure you appreciate their widely proclaiming the criminality of the U.S. and the outing of any covert actors or actions."

I feel it is the job of the press to ferret out any crimes -- If we cannot fight the WOT as free Americans then we have sunk to the level of the terrorists and no longer charish the truth that our freedoms bring.

And to all
Has there ever been an "official" declaration from any 'Official" of the US government that has declared that Flame was not covert??

I hear a lot of hearsay and have seen some legaleeze but nothing official.

I am begining to think it is just an urban legend.


FergusMacLennan
If it was not for retribution -- then why was it mentioned at all.

The Niger story has/had proved itself bogus.

Kimberly
Are you referring to the time one of the Clintonistas leaked Linda Tripp's confidential information to the press in an effort to hurt and/or discredit her?

I don't remember the outcome of that prosecution. Does anybody?

biff
Don't you think if Fitzgerald hasn't indicted the admitted "leaker," then perhaps it wasn't even a crime? (And why do YOU suppose he kept up the investigation for another couple of years after he had "solved the crime"?)

But under the definition in the Act, Plame (not "Flame"--she'd be hurt) was NOT covert. Do we really need someone to officially announce it?

Donaldd
Do we know of any other stories about covert agents suggesting their spouses for missions? You know, real covert, spying agents.

Worried as she was about being exposed, she might have let someone else do the deed. Heck, who wouldn't be willing to spend a few days in a hotel room interviewing people and drinking tea?

I still do not understand
why, if Fitzgerald knew within two weeks that Libby didn't leak her name, the investigation continued. I still wonder if the CIA wasn't trying to get a little revenge against the leaking that the Vice President's office apparently did a lot.


and I forgot
Everyone needs to just relax and realize that this administration is responsible for nothing but tax cuts and the great economy. Everything else was planned and executed by President Clinton.

biff
"Has there ever been an "official" declaration from any 'Official" of the US government that has declared that Flame was not covert??

I hear a lot of hearsay and have seen some legaleeze but nothing official."

See movwater's post at 2:48 PM, the one that begins with:

"United States Code

TITLE 50 > CHAPTER 15 > SUBCHAPTER IV > § 426

§ 426. Definitions"

I love how when the Left wants to target a minion of their beloved "Chimperor," THE LAW gets described as "legalese."

"If it was not for retribution -- then why was it mentioned at all"

You would have to ask RICHARD ARMITAGE, the guy who *actually* "leaked" Plame's name to Novak. From what I have read, Armitage is a fairly chatty guy who likes his gossip.


Donaldd
One.
But I guess if I told you who it was, you'd have to kill me.

Dona261
You are being too hard on the ex-pres. While Clinton may have PLANNED 9/11, I do not believe he in any way executed it.

POLLY
Are you sure? It's just so convenient for him to take all responsiblity for everything. I read on another thread that Democrats have been actively undermining the country for 40 years. I knew Clinton was smart but that he could accomplish all this beginning at age 15? Wow!

Donaldd
Please, then, what is your explanation for Fitzgerald's NOT indicting the CONFESSED leaker?

Sorry, Fergus
Sorry, not Donaldd, Fergus. It just sounded like Donaldd.

Donaldd
Sure, why actually pay attention to the law? When you can have someone else do your thinking for you, why actually spend valuable energy thinking for yourself?

We all know how exhausting you find it...

Polly
Huh?

Fergus
Geez, apparently I shouldn't be at the keyboard after dark. I was correct when I directed my comment to Donaldd, then when I looked back and saw YOUR name (in his subject line), I thought I had erred.

My mistake, of course, was in thinking I had made a mistake.

And it SOUNDED like Donaldd because it WAS Donaldd. (My world was turned upside down when I thought YOU had thought such an illogical thing.) Sorry.

DonaldD,Kimberley,et.al.
The facts of the Plame "case" are so well-
known and widely disseminated that I can
only conclude that you are not mistaken
or misinformed, but purposely lying. But
why? Whatever agenda you are pushing,
would it not be better served by debating
points that are still unresolved? I am
serious- you should review your tactics.
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