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Friday, July 04, 2008
Linda Chavez :: Townhall.com Columnist
Reagan's City on a Hill
by Linda Chavez
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There are few places in the world that beckon to those who share no common blood or history, but America has done so for centuries. It is one of the things that defines this great country. In celebrating the 232nd birthday of our nation this Fourth of July, it is worth recalling what Ronald Reagan said about the promise the United States holds out to so many.

In his farewell address, President Reagan explained: "I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors, and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here."

Jason Riley, a member of the Wall Street Journal's editorial board, quotes President Reagan's words in his new book, "Let Them In: The Case for Open Borders, Six Common Arguments Against Immigration and Why They Are Wrong." Like Reagan, Riley is an optimist, one who sees the United States as a land of unlimited opportunity and potential. It's a view in short supply lately but worth thinking about as we celebrate our nation's founding.

Riley's book will infuriate those who want to see America close her doors, throw up barriers, and shrink in size. Perhaps his most important contribution is exposing the origins of the modern immigration-restriction movement, whose founders come out of radical environmentalist and population-control groups. "Anti-immigrant sentiment coming from the political right tends to dominate the headlines, but the environmental left has always played a central role in efforts to tighten the U.S. border. For restrictionist greens, though, the main issue isn't the economy or even homeland security. It's the human species," he says.

But as Riley points out, people aren't a problem. In fact, people constitute the nation's real wealth, even those who don't seem likely candidates to fill that role. Riley argues that low-skilled immigrants are an asset, not a threat, filling niches in our economy that make us both more efficient and richer. "This isn't about immigrants displacing Americans in the labor force," he says. "It's about foreign workers coming here to fill jobs that the natives don't want because they've got better opportunities."

Take agriculture. Americans are not filling the jobs left vacant because of recent crackdowns on illegal workers, so growers are relocating south of the border. "The reality is that U.S. companies will either grow food domestically that is harvested by foreign workers," Riley writes, "or import food harvested by foreign workers."

But, of course, not all immigrants are low-skilled farm workers.

Riley reports on one study that found that between 1991 and 2006, immigrants started an amazing 25 percent of all U.S. public companies that were backed by venture capital, and these companies' market capitalization exceeded a half-trillion dollars. And the foreign-born swell our engineering, science, computer, and math programs at the undergraduate and graduate level, as well.

Riley also tackles the myth that immigrants aren't assimilating -- a misconception I've been fighting for years, as he generously acknowledges. Today we worry about Mexicans and Guatemalans, but not so long ago it was Germans, Italians, and the Irish who we were sure would never become Americans. As Riley points out, the Irish immigrants of the 19th century (my great-grandparents Michael McKenna and Catherine Dolan among

them) were "dirt-poor peasants back home. ... Most were uneducated. Many spoke no English. ... They were stereotyped as slow-witted drunks and ne'er-do-wells who would never acculturate to America."

Yet they did become Americans -- as has every group, no matter where they came from. That is the wonder of America, that we can transform the most unpromising of newcomers. And within a generation or two, they are indistinguishable in all important aspects from those whose families have been here since the founding.

We shouldn't give up on this great American ideal. Ronald Reagan certainly never did.

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Linda Chavez is chairman of the Center for Equal Opportunity and author of Betrayal: How Union Bosses Shake Down Their Members and Corrupt American Politics .

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PoppyCock and Balderdash
Riley's view is nothing more than the classic ultra-Libertarian chant of take down the walls, fling open the doors and let them all in.

It's tired, subversive and totally wrong. At our current rate of immigration growth, we will have 438-450 million people living in America by 2050 and 1 billion by the turn of the next century.

Does anyone think that this is good? Name one problem that was solved by massively increasing the number of people. I can't, nor can you, nor can Riley.

Let's secure our borders by building the fence so we have an effective and controlled immigration system at the same time as we enforce our currently existing immigration laws. During this interval we encourage illegals to depart (attrition through enforcement). Once our borders are secured and we have a grip on a functional system of immigration, we move against those illegals that have refused to leave. We should never ever grant amnesty.

We tried 'comprehensive immigration reform' in 1986. We gave amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens in exchange for the government promising to secure the borders, conduct workplace enforcement and enforce immigration law. It didn't work because the government lied and did nothing other than process the amnesty paperwork. Due to that folly, we now have 20 Million or more illegal aliens here demanding amnesty.

Don't you think it is far beyond time that we engage in Comprehensive Immigration ENFORCEMENT rather than Comprehensive Immigration Reform?



here you go again, Linda
It figured that Linda would bray again about how we should welcome ILLEGALS. I notice that there is no mention of the large janitorial service company whose board she sits on which willfully and ILLEGALLY hires ILLEGAL aliens. Linda is a wealthy, remote elite partial Hispanic by heritage... she really wants to use them, but hides here under the guise of compassion.

Also, she uses sleight-of-hand to suggest that poor immigrants of long ago succeeded, so why not expect the same today. A reason is that they are ILLEGAL now. A second reason is that the poor of 100 years ago entered a different America where sweat alone might allow one to progress. Today we have an entrenched welfare state-- as soon as a muchacha pushes out an anchor baby, she can (and will) get right into that welfare line. Our advanced service economy has few real jobs for the ignorant and culturally disparate.

As for Reagan, the great man said that the WORST mistake and greatest regret of his political life was getting talked into a "one time amnesty" because he was promised tough enforcement in exchange. Th PC ilk agreed to the tough laws, but chuckled as they declined to fund the enforcement of them. What was supposed to be amnesty for 1 million proved to be 3m., and that led to the 20 million ILLEGALS here now.

Today's America CAN ONLY BENEFIT from educated, skilled, LEGAL immigrants-- NOT "the new slaves" that Linda wants us to accept.

Wrong Place for This Propaganda
Why is this woman, Linda Chavez, writing her open borders illegal alien hugging propaganda on townhall.com? My god...with this kind of detritus, she should be teaming up with Ruben Navarette, Jr. and blogging for moveon.org, La Raza or La voz de Atzlan.

Mexico's #1 export ? -- CRIME !

There are MANY things wrong with tolerating the ILLEGAL alien invasion and pervasion of America, but the most basic must surely be the crime, drugs, and gangs which go with them like flies go to manure. The PC ilk tries to obfuscate the realities, but people all over America simply KNOW better.

States which initially granted them drivers' licenses like N.C. had to pull back on that because of the crime waves/gangs which followed. States like Az. and Ok. are now seeing an exodus after passing tough anti-ILLEGAL enforcement laws, but the ILLEGALS simply move on to where it is easier to get along.

The ONLY solution is a resolve to enforce EXISTING laws everywhere. When they realize that there are no ILLEGAL jobs or freebies, they will repatriate at THEIR expense-- the same way they came. So much for the straw man challenge: we cannot deport 12 million!

This is certainly not to say that many ILLEGALS are not basically decent, law-abiding people, but EVERY ILLEGAL who works here is not just border crashing or violating a visa-- s/he is, by definition, committing multiple felonies (typically identity fraud and tax dodging at a minimum) just to work.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_ill egalsandcrime
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51259
http://newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty2.htm
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54132
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/mexico_immigration/2007/09 /28/36496.html?s=al&promo_code=3A98-1
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigrati on_crime_summary.htm

Join the sacred fight to save America!


Presidente Jorge has put out a, "Bienvenido, amigos" sign down on the border. It will not be easy to force the political will against the powerful Conspiracy Of Evil, even though > 70%+ of Americans want the result. All we need to do is enforce EXISTING laws.

Many pols have been bought and paid for by the Reconquista lobby ilk, and mainly by the miscreant employer/Chamber lobbies who bray the disingenuous drivel about "America must have that cheap labor to do those jobs Americans won't do."

HOGWASH- Americans simply expect a living wage to do those jobs. When the govt. makes token show raids on meat plants, etc., Americans return to those jobs immediately. ILLEGAL alien employers are NOT saving YOU money-- your hotel room or head of lettuce is NO cheaper to YOU.

The above forces of evil are aided and abetted by the PC multicultural cabal, including the remote "elite" MSM, and the scandal-ridden Catholic Church trying to fill those vacant pews with better paying ILLEGALS.

Keep rattling the cages in Congress so the money flowing from the special interests will seem less "special" to them. It is easy to reach them at numbersUSA.com with prepared, targeted e-mails, or you can send direct e-mails or call them at their official contact sites and offices just below... BOOKMARK
these sites and contact legislators OFTEN and with vigor... tell them you support the SAVE Act:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/content/6/3105
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/congress/phone-numbers-an
d-mailing-addresses-memb.html
http://www.numbers.usa

other solid groups/sources:
http://www.teamamericapac.org/
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_aboutm ain
http://www.cis.org/
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm

Must we deport 12 million?


Artful apologia for ILLEGAL aliens by the MSM, the PC ilk, racist/ethnocentric Hispanic lobbyists, and miscreant employer interests suggests that "we cannot deport 12 million," but this is an egregiously disingenuous false choice. First, if the govt. admits to 12 million, they surely know that there are MANY more. We have over 37 million now here who are foreign born, WAY TOO MANY of them ILLEGAL.

The red herring false dilemma subterfuge of the deportation dilemma has been proffered WAY TOO OFTEN. Tough new anti-ILLEGAL enforcement laws (approved with about half of the LEGAL Hispanic vote, I might add) took effect in Az. on Jan. 1. Guess what is happening there? Already, Arizona residents report trucks packed high with belongings heading back home to Mexico. In other states when new laws reverse sanctuary-ilk policies, typically due to citizen outrage over crime rates and social service decimation, ILLEGALS pick up and move like locusts to ravage elsewhere.

We need only reverse the PC, RINO, open border, globalist message with this reality--> America needs/wants ONLY LEGAL, EDUCATED immigrants who can contribute on balance and want to become AMERICANS, NOT the madding crowd of ILLEGAL, ignorant, indigent, culturally disparate who will ineluctably become HUGE net users of government services. Each such family will suck out $1.4 MILLION more in services than taxes paid in a lifetime (Heritage)-- ASSUMING they actually begin paying taxes!

The equation is actually surprisingly straightforward-- no jobs, no freebies, no amnestia-- NO STAY! Vamanos al Mexico, muchachos! Hasta la vista, baby!

How much do ILLEGAL aliens cost us?


Just a few of the myriad and snowballing direct costs of ILLEGAL aliens to contemplate... does it still sound like "cheap" labor now?!?!

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.htmlG ALS

How much do ILLEGALS cost us? (Part. 2)


(stunning inconvenient truths)

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. Illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to create a huge additional crime problem in the US.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border; also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U.S. from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report...
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.co m/general75/niht.htm

14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.”
http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html

Still sound like "cheap" labor to you?!

a GREAT reference site

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/

If you want a site that has well-sourced stats on the myriad egregious inimical ills perpetrated by ILLEGAL aliens on America, this one is EXCELLENT.

The host of the site sounds like many among us-- no xenophobe or racist he, as some among cognitively bereft and/or PC gadflies reflexively bray ad hominem, but simply a concerned citizen shocked and discomfited by the perhaps irreparable and growing menace of the madding crowd of ILLEGAL aliens, too often uneducated, indigent and willfully culturally disparate, who are permeating America like the Black Death... a socio-economic formula for DISASTER!

Time is VERY short to save America... see how YOU can easily get involved at my other posts. We cannot avoid another open border/globalist in the Oval Office (paid for by the Conspiracy Of Evil), BUT we can perhaps continue to remind Congress that 75% of America wants the flow of ILLEGALS stanched and the tide reversed via enforcement of EXISTING laws. Middle Americans JUST LIKE YOU have derailed Scamnesty efforts for over a year now, but the minority side is well-funded and determined to give us more government by the special interests for the special interests.

May God bless America and keep her for those who rightly belong here and those who emigrate LEGALLY and PROPERLY and assimilate. We MUST place an emphasis on those with education and skills who can offer net contributions, not those who will permeate pandemic social ills. The melting pot will melt down if we do not stanch and reverse the tsunami of the ignorant, indigent, willfully culturally disparate.

what a crock, Linda!
re:
"Today we worry about Mexicans and Guatemalans, but not so long ago it was Germans, Italians, and the Irish who we were sure would never become Americans."

This is an especially lame, fatuous argument by the open border/NAU/SPP/CFR/NWO ilk. When those people came over from Europe, they did so LEGALLY, and willingly embraced becoming Americans. ILLEGAL aliens are both ILLEGAL and many have no intention of truly becoming Americans, nor do they even have a RIGHT to do so.

A key difference is that oceans served to cut the umbilical cord to old national loyalties and cultures, and the poor who came in the past had no welfare state to glom onto. Now the PC welfare state says bilingualism is OK... there was never a "press 2 for German, or a press 3 for Italian" here 100 years ago. Our struggling schools are only sinking faster when plagued also with bilingual education (pardon the oxymoron).

Et tu, Senora Chavez?
No, people here legally are not the problem.
Almost none of the 20 million here illegally from central America are educated, business people you mentioned. I don't think those people are picking vegetables or standing on the corner.
The crimes some of them commit are the problem,
The social programs they have not contributed to but will drain are,
The illegal immigrant overloaded schools and hospitals are,
The wage levels they have diminished are a problem for Americans who need more to support families are,
The corruption of the Mexican government and law enforcement officials are,
American Citizens and immigrants here legally are not the problem.
The politicians who have sworn to serve and protect the country and citizens and refuse to enforce the laws ARE the problem.
I suggest any politician who hasn't done the job they were elected to do be deported with all the rest of the illegals.
That would be a good start!

the Conspiracy Of Evil


The biggest challenge about stopping ILLEGAL aliens is that the money and organization (hence power) is on the other side. The pro-ILLEGAL forces include a tacit unlikely strange bedfellow alliance between groups which want to use them in different ways--> the "Conspiracy Of Evil."

Miscreant employers simply want to exploit their labor-- screw the myriad egregious socio-economic problems they foist upon Middle America. The PC left wants to get them voting and seize permanent control for big entitlement
government. The scandal-plagued Catholic Church needs replacement bodies for the pews-- ILLEGALS can put more in the collection plates in America than in Mexico. Ethnocentric Hispanic groups really do want an effective Reconquista, so they hide behind claims of racism and pleas for PC multiculturalism and bilingualism (a disaster scenario-- see Quebec).

Finally, the remote elites including the liberal MSM do not see what all the fuss is about. Besides, they LIKE their cheap ILLEGAL alien maids and yard-workers, and THEIR kids will not go to schools enervated by or need social services decimated by "those people."

Over 70% of America is righteously indignant about ILLEGAL aliens, but they are not also buying the pols like the employer lobby. See how YOU can get involved to save YOUR country (while it is still great) at my post below.

May God bless America and save her from the myopic self-aggrandizement of the limited special, interests. We need LEGAL, educated immigrants with skills who come here PROPERLY and want to assimilate, NOT the madding crowd of ignorant, indigent and willfully culturally disparate.

the worst hypocrites about ILLEGALS


... are the wealthy remote "elites"-- see Geraldo, Smilin' Juan Hernande, Sen. Martinez and Linda Chavez. Linda Chavez is a case in point. She writes routinely here about the alleged benefits of ILLEGAL aliens, BUT she never fesses up that she sits on the board of a huge janitorial company which employs them! Consider uber lib Nancy Pelosi... she brays about compassion for ILLEGALS and supports scamnesty even as her crooked wealthy husband employs them and crime stats to be work ILLEGALLY in her vineyards.

ILLEGALS are simply "the new slaves" in a very real socio-economic sense-- the relative few in America benefit ILLEGALLY from their labors (YOUR hotel room and vegetables are no cheaper to YOU), but the legacy will be DEVASTATING for the many (citizens and taxpayers) who will inherit the pandemic social pathologies and pay for the re-stoked welfare state, which the prolific ILLEGALS will soon insist upon with numbers.

Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are condemned to repeat them. Much of Europe now faces the inevitable hegemony of Shariah Law in a generation because they myopically imported Islamic Arabs to do its mean tasks... the native populations never fathomed making them equal citizens, but they are inexorably being outbred. Guest worker programs nearly always backfire UNLESS rigidly enforced. Worse still, "amnestia" only begets a bigger invasion... RR admitted that the worst mistake/deepest regret of his political life was getting snookered into amnesty for just over 1 million (which proved to be 3 million!) in exchange for a promise of tough enforcement-- which never happened.

Legal si, illegal no
Linda, when did you get your green card? We are all familiar with the images of Ellis Island, through which million of immigrants became legal residents. The difference is that those who arrived from Europe on ships entered legally. Not a single one came to squirt out an anchor baby or get free medical care at the local ER. If you are here legally, welcome. Otherwise, out you go. No benefits except a one way bus ticket back home with the admonition that if you are caught here again illigally you will be shot.

Linda
read the comments here at TH and realize just how much conservatives REALLY love you and your fellow Hispanic Americans! The racism is hardly subtle.

"Linda, when did you get your green card?"

"Presidente Jorge has put out a, "Bienvenido,
amigos" sign down on the border"

"Linda is a wealthy, remote elite partial
Hispanic by heritage... she really wants to
use them, but hides here under the guise of
compassion."

I'll bet native Americans wished they had established better immigration policies in the 1500's, too.

how dare she invoke Reagan!
When the great Reagan spoke of the shining city on the hill, he DAMM sure was not alluding to ILLEGAL aliens. He would later say that the deepest regret of his presidency was that he got conned into a "one-time amnesty" which was SUPPOSED to be in exchange for tough new laws to STANCH further ILLEGALS from coming. They passed the laws, but with a wink never enforced them... see why below--> the Conspiracy Of Evil at their nefarious, pernicious work.

If we do not reverse the flow of ILLEGALS, they will ineluctably morph America into the barrio they left-- see L.A. as a harbinger of the blight and pandemic social pathologies to come EVERYWHERE. It is IRRELEVANT what the wants and needs of ILLEGAL aliens might be, and patently unfair to tolerate them when millions of deserving immigrants wait in line in many countries. Middle America's taxpayers and citizens are NOT responsible for Latin America's plethora of problems, nor can we afford to solve them here or there. No amnestia, muchachos!

We NEED the educated and skilled who want to emigrate LEGALLY and assimilate, but we cannot long endure the pervasion of the ignorant, indigent, ILLEGAL madding crowd of the willfully culturally disparate.

Join the sacred cause to preserve America today! See how at my posts below. ;~)

Send Mr. Smith back to Washington!


The single best-funded lobbying group is the Chamber lobbies-- guess what they tell Congress is "good for America"?! Members of Congress are rightly reviled as a group (they go to Washington to do GOOD, but they stay to do WELL), but 90% get reelected because they flow pork to their home districts, so voters tend to like their respective congressmen. Those guys are waiting for the fuss to die down and a new resident of the Oval Office to cram Scamnesty down our throats. Presidente Jorge Bush loves scamnesty, but he has the lowest approval ratings EVER, ironically partly because of embracing ILLEGAL aliens. Starting a pointless profligate and endless war against the wrong Islamics did not help either.

Middle America shocked Congress last year with its virulent, righteously indignant reaction to Kennedy-McAmnesty, which was derailed. We have had several other victories since as well, such as stopping the innocuous-sounding Dream Act, which sought to give limited college scholarship money to ILLEGALS over deserving Americans. However, the Conspiracy Of Evil (see details to follow) is determined to foist open borders and scamnesty upon YOU, Middle America, and at YOUR snowballing expense.

Keep rattling their cages so that the money flowing from the special interests will seem less "special" to Congress It is easy to reach them at numbersUSA.com with prepared, targeted e-mails, and you can send direct e-mails or call them at their official contact sites and offices just below. Bookmark these sites and contact them OFTEN and with VIGOR:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/content/6/3105
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/congress/phone-numbers-an d-mailing-addresses-memb.html
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/congress/your-members-con gress.html

Italians, irish
Why is this argument used. Linda, do you understand the difference between legal and illegal? I know you are not that ignorant. You are able to make an argument for what you believe is the right thing to do without equating what is happening now to the legal immigration of our ancestors.

common language assimilation
when those irish and italians,etc came to the US they all tried to assimilate not only in culture, but in language. we don'y have that now, we are all expected to put up with a language barrier in our own coutry! if you go to any other country in the world, you are expected to speak their language (france ring any bells) not english. i went to spain last year and tried to communicate in spanish the whole time and did pretty well, i didn't go there and expect them to speak english everywhere. we are catering to the wrong folks in the US, second language study should be anything but english.

English becoming a necessary language
One question in a recent (respected) Pew survey asked international respondents to agree or disagree with the statement "Children need to learn English to succeed in the world today."

Many nations showed almost unanimous agreement on the importance of learning English. Examples include Vietnam, 98 percent; Indonesia, 96
percent; Germany and South Africa, 95 percent; India, 93 percent; China and the Philippines, 92 percent; Honduras, Japan, Nigeria, and Uganda, 91 percent; and France, MEXICO, and Ukraine, 90 percent.

http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2003/december/cipub 2.asp

It is not WE who should need to "press 2 for English"... it is LEGAL immigrants who should do what immigrants here have always done-- learn English, assimilate, and embrace becoming an American. Otherwise, the melting pot will melt down. ILLEGALS (including the 20% who are visa violators) should repatriate and get in line to apply properly and respectfully to be considered to emigrate here.

NO drivers licenses, voting rights, or PATHS TO CITIZENSHIP for gate crashers. America needs the LEGAL educated and skilled who can make net positive contributions, not welfare cases and crime stats in waiting (ILLEGAL aliens).

La Raza Chavez
Linda: Is it possible for you to remember that you are a citizen of the United States of America? Being of Hispanic ancestery is all well and good, but don't you think your first allegiance should be to this nation? I used to enjoy reading your conservative articles; however your rantings on this issue would qualify you for membership in La Raza. That is, if you are not already a member.

I’ll pay your bus fare, Linda.

Did you ever notice that Linda C. will never answer any question or comment, that her rants about illegals elicit? I mean her not mentioning illegals.

What if Georgie Washington, Tommy Jefferson, and Benny Franklin had said, “This place is a mess, let’s go to Canada.”

Are you telling me that people in some other country are so stupid that they don’t know why they are over populated? You want them to come here and bring that culture? Forget it.

And by the way, when I use the term “Wet-Back” I don’t care if you got your back wet in the Atlantic, the Pacific, the Great Lakes, or that little muddy stream below Texas, you are still a Wet Back if you are Illegal.

Well, Linda and her cohorts, tell us about the wonderful workers, what great people the Illegals are. So they must have created a wonderful country before they sneaked away.

Certainly the Mexicans must have done all those good things in their home, then brought all that experience and expertise with them to help make the US look just like Mexico. And if you have been to Van Nuys lately, you can see they are succeeding, it does look like Mexico. Our only hope is they will become unhappy living in the mess they have created, they will leave the US — look out Canada!!

Once a “visitor” has graduated from a US educational institution, they must spend 10 years in their home country, working in a useful occupation, before they can be considered to be allowed to return to the US.

We should not be the cause for Brain Drain for other countries.

I am thoroughly disgusted with people from any other country, living in the US and bragging how wonderful their home really is. If it is so wonderful, why aren’t you living there? If it has problems that caused you to leave, why not go back and solve those problems?




for lodestar
lodestar claims: "Today we have an entrenched welfare state-- as soon as a muchacha pushes out an anchor baby, she can (and will) get right into that welfare line. "

You opponents of immigration are contradicting yourselves at every turn.

First you accuse the Hispanic immigrants of taking our jobs away by being willing to work at low wages. But NOW you're accusing them of going on welfare.

Is this not a contradiction? If they're coming here to take jobs away from Americans, then how can they be on welfare at the same time?

Or if they're going on welfare, then why is anyone worried that they're taking jobs away from American citizens?

The origin of "illegal aliens"
Perhaps review of the history of immigration law in the United States would prove enlightening:

For the first century of America's existence, till 1924, the United States had no immigration laws restricting immigrants. Hence there were no "illegal" aliens--anybody who wanted to come here, came here. All aliens were "legal."

What finally got people alarmed was the "Eastern Europeans" (read: JEWS) that started coming to America in large numbers in the 20th century.

The first immigration law was passed in 1924, specifically to restrict the number of "southeastern Europeans" (read: JEWS) that kept coming into America.

In other words, the entire history and purpose of immigration law was NATIVIST, enacted for the specific purpose of restricting certain ethnic groups for the benefit of others.

That's the system you're defending. The immigration laws you're defending are RACIAL laws and ETHNIC laws.

So before you talk about "enforcing the law," maybe you ought to review the concept of immigration laws to see if they are still considered fair and just by today's standards.

Not all laws deserve to be enforced. The 55 mph speed limit, the prohibitions against medical marijuana, etc.


for lodestar
In one post, lodestar claimed:
"Today we have an entrenched welfare state-- as soon as a muchacha pushes out an anchor baby, she can (and will) get right into that welfare line. "

In a second post, lodestar claimed:
"ILLEGALS are simply 'the new slaves' in a very real socio-economic sense-- the relative few in America benefit ILLEGALLY from their labors"

You're contradicting yourself.

So which is it? Are these illegals going on welfare or are they working for slave wages?

You're claiming two different and mutually contradictory theories: They have such a strong work ethic that they are willing to work hard at wages American workers would never accept--or they are so lazy that they come here solely to take advantage of our generous welfare system.

WHICH IS IT!

reply to: SteveL
re:
"You're contradicting yourself.

So which is it? Are these illegals going on welfare or are they working for slave wages?

You're claiming two different and mutually contradictory theories: They have such a strong work ethic that they are willing to work hard at wages American workers would never accept--or they are so lazy that they come here solely to take advantage of our generous welfare system.

WHICH IS IT!" (sic)

*********************************************

My points are neither contradictory nor mutually exclusive, but they may require some cerebration by the cognitively inclined.

ILLEGALS can make 10x in a day here ILLEGALLY what they can make down in their corrupt Latin American barrio countries. Most work sedulously after they crash the border. Few question the logic of WHY they come from THEIR perspective.

BUT they also come up for the American welfare state bennies... the Mexican government hands out instructions on how to milk welfare and social services here, and encourages that they send back the billions they do to support the corrupt, failed economies at home. They are told that once they push out (mostly illegitimate) "anchor babies," they can tap into the mother lode of bennies, welfare. A liberal demographer noted recently: future commitments for ILLEGAL alien welfare benefits will become "the mother of all unfunded entitlement programs."

So ILLEGALS truly engender and perpetuate egregious problems now AND in the future. They displace Americans from unskilled jobs and suppress the wages of those who can least afford it, and they visit myriad and snowballing socio-economic and pandemic social pathology problems on ALL Americans. So much for "cheap" labor.

Got it now, Steve?

Too early

Perhaps I should point out that from what I have been told, my ancestors did not obey the immigration laws of the United States when they arrived in this country, with no papers.

There was no United States at that time. Does that make them illegals? A couple of them were wounded in the Revolutionary War, so maybe that makes up for lack of papers.

Yes I know, they didn't stay home and improve their home country, as I suggested elsewhere. but the difference, in that day and age, their home was about as good as it could be, and I don't even know what country that was.

I am sure the area that later became the US, was not as "nice" as parts of Europe, but it did provide opportunity, and I bet they did not collect welfare either.






2nd replyto: SteveL
re:
"So before you talk about "enforcing the law," maybe you ought to review the concept of immigration laws to see if they are still considered fair and just by today's standards.

Not all laws deserve to be enforced. The 55 mph speed limit, the prohibitions against medical marijuana, etc."

************************************************

The current applicable immigration laws are of recent vintage (1986 and later) and were passed by duly elected representatives of the people in Congress to reflect prevailing desires of the body politic. The travesty is that they are WILLFULLY not being enforced by Presidente Jorge and other Faustian quisling pols. If you do not like the laws, you should consider working to change them. A nation that fails to enforce the very laws designed to protect its borders will one day cease to exist. America must still be a dammed appealing place (worth preserving), or so many would not be crashing the border to get in.

Interestingly, our "friends" down in Mexico are MUCH tougher on border crashers there, who are often even more wretched than their pitiful norm for LCD/average citizens. Most advanced countries think that we are CRAZY not to enforce our existing immigration laws better. I explain why we do not in my post below about what I have dubbed, the "Conspiracy Of Evil."

As for selectively enforcing our laws, who are you to be the arbiter of that, SteveL? What gives you unique wisdom and moral stature?!

To lodestar--
I agree with all of your posts 1000%. Those who support these illegals should pay for their upkeep until we can send them back to their countries of origin.
It never ceases to amaze me at the ignorance of the apologists for these illegals. My and my wife's grandparents came to this country legally and received no social welfare at all. They came from Skandinavia and Russia. They were proud to become Americans and did not demand that their languages and cultures be accepted by others. They demanded that their kids learn English and become loyal Americans.

BTW, I have some Italian and Irish and German friends that had grandparents come here, and they made certain that their kids learn English and become loyal Americans also.
So , lodestar is correct 1000%.

surreptitious machinations by Jorge, etc

The U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement... ever heard of it?

Most people have no knowledge whatsoever of the subterfuge played here to effect this. Many in Congress were surprised by things that Presidente Jorge Bush committed to with his amigo Vicente Fox, and now Felipe Calderon, the new president of Mexico, is openly calling HERE for ILLEGAL aliens to protest in the streets for their "rights." Excuse me!

Did you wonder why the Justice Dept., in consort with a drug smuggler, went after border guards Campean and Ramos simply for doing their jobs? Because Presidente Jorge Bush wanted to influence the close Mexican election by assuring them that their wretched and ignorant would REALLY still be welcome here... that enforcement was just for show to snooker Middle America.

While in Mexico in early 2007, Jorge Bush promised them in Espanol to work to assure passage of scamnesty for THEM, Mexican citizens! Did you vote for Jorge Bush to represent Mexico?! That is simply treason! Some RINO pols have sold their souls a la Faust for $ from those favoring ILLEGALS at YOUR great expense socio-economically. Amnesty Juan McVain has NOT gotten America's message-- he has just polished up his act a bit on his open border/hug an ILLEGAL agenda. My God, he is groveling to La Raza and has hired Smilin' Juan Hernandez to be his "Hispanic outreach" amigo!

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back904.html
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/totalization.htm
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/7/2/21483 4.shtml?s=lh
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst010807.htm
http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/factsheets/USandMexico.htm

Linda supports SPP/NAU
Evidence of the clandestine agenda

If you want to read a bit about the North American Union and the related Security and Prosperity Partnership, check out the Bush White House's own publication on some of it below.

In 2004, while visiting in Mexico, RINO globalist, open border Presidente Jorge Bush surreptitiously committed America to send S.S. funds south to Mexico even for those who had worked here only as ILLEGAL aliens... this later stunned many in Congress when they learned about it. In early 2007, Jorge told them in Spanish down in Mexico that he would be working hard for THEM, Mexican citizens, to assure passage of Kennedy-McAmnesty here. Many consider that nothing short of treason!

Anyone who brays about "conspiracy theorists" really needs only read a little bit to learn that there is no "theory" involved. Presidente Jorge has been hell-bent on effecting a North American Union. If you have liked NAFTA, perhaps you will love what they have planned for you.

Personally, I would rather have been asked to vote first on such agendas... so even would many in Congress.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-1. html
http://www.spp.gov/index.asp
http://www.libertygunrights.com/NAUFactSheet.pdf

opposition efforts:

(best)
http://www.numbersusa.com/index

http://www.grassfire.org/
http://www.grasstopsusa.com/
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=11
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/
http://www.citizensunited.org

Why the Republican malaise?

I was a volunteer in Atlanta in the Reagan campaigns for POTUS, and even also worked for Daddy Bush, though with an instinctive reluctance that he was a faux/RINO Eastern Republican. I have voted for the more conservative candidate for POTUS for 40 years.

The less intelligent son Shrub II, Presidente Jorge has screwed up royally on 2 key issues that Amnesty John is in sync with-- making a a profligate, endless neoCON war on the wrong bad Arabs, and embracing ILLEGAL aliens.

These are symptomatic of why conservative Republicans are dispirited. Each blunder cost
American taxpayers a FORTUNE with long-term detrimental effects, even as Jorge also grew govt. influence and largess (NCLB and Rx Care for Seniors) and spent $ like a drunken sailor 'Crat. The left-leaning RINO party needs a LOUD wakeup call.

Amnesty John McQuisling has appointed Smilin' Juan Hernandez to be his "Hispanic Outreach" adviser (to coordinate the Reconquista). The myopia of many RINO's on the open border, "'cheap' labor is good" agenda is stunning and flummoxing. It is fool's gold to fathom that these ignorant, indigent with supposed
"conservative social values" would EVER vote as conservatives simply because a minority of established, middle class Hispanics have done so. What, pray tell, is "conservative" about rampant penchants toward serious crimes, drugs, gangs, dropouts, illegitimacies, and social service decimation?!?!

Obama is a socialist in Pied Piper clothing, but the thought of supporting Amnesty John is like bleeding a patient to cure him-- if the body politic survives, it will be a miracle. What a Hobson's Choice! I will sit this dance
out until the bad mariachi music dies.

ILLEGALS and social service decimation

In theory, it is ILLEGAL for ILLEGAL aliens to receive welfare per se. Still, they overwhelm hospitals and schools, and overburden the criminal justice system, and the federal govt. REQUIRES that local service providers assist them. Then there is the issue of "anchor babies"... once an ILLEGAL madre can push one
out on American soil, they can get in the welfare line; and the welfare workers are all too willing to explain how to milk the taxpayer gravy train.

ANY resident who is uneducated and poor inexorably becomes a welfare burden on average, partly because today's advanced service economy America cannot provide them upward mobility when all they have to offer is manual labor. Heritage estimates that EACH household headed by the typical ignorant, indigent ILLEGAL
alien will drain $1.4 MILLION more in govt. services than it ever pays in any form of taxes over a lifetime. This is aggravated further by clinging to a foreign language and culture.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/SR14es.cfm
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigrati
on_american_infrastructure.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265 &q=immigration

As even a liberal sociologist admitted recently, future drains by current ILLEGALS will prove to be, "the mother of all unfunded mandates." The libs do not care about this; they know that current ILLEGALS mean future voters, and soon the permanent hegemony of the left as America morphs ineluctably into a third
world welfare state.

Join the fight to stanch this catastrophe... please see my earlier posts below to see how YOU can easily get engaged. Time is CRITICAL! America is too precious to lose!

interesting reading about ILLEGAL aliens

http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back605.html
http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back1405.html
http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back906.html
http://www.cis.org/articles/2008/mskoped012308.html

Excerpts from above:

* The 35.2 million immigrants (legal and ILLEGAL) living in the country in March, 2005 is the highest number ever recorded -- two and a half times the 13.5 million during the peak of the last great immigration wave in 1910.

* Between January 2000 and March 2005, 7.9 million new immigrants (legal and ILLEGAL) settled in the country, making it the highest five-year period of immigration in American history. Nearly half of post-2000 arrivals (3.7 million) are estimated to be ILLEGAL aliens.

* Immigrants have generally made significant economic progress the longer they live in the United States, but even immigrants who have lived in the United States for 14 or 15 years still have dramatically higher rates of poverty, lack of health insurance, and welfare use than natives.

* The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is 18.4 percent, 57 percent higher than the 11.7 percent for natives and their children. Immigrants and their minor children account for almost one in four persons living in poverty.

*The low educational attainment of many ILLEGAL aliens and resulting low wages are the primary reasons so many live in poverty, use welfare programs, or lack health insurance, not their legal status or an unwillingness to work.

The reason?
quote
Take agriculture. Americans are not filling the jobs left vacant because of recent crackdowns on illegal workers, so growers are relocating south of the border. "The reality is that U.S. companies will either grow food domestically that is harvested by foreign workers," Riley writes, "or import food harvested by foreign workers."
unquote

Suppose those in the agriculture business pay a living wage to those who labor. Do you think this problem may go away?

Perhaps they could throw in some health care benefits like other businesses?

No, they expect the US taxpayer pick up the tab they refuse to pay, fleecing the rest of us for their profit.

To taxpayer subsidized labor for any business I say no thanks.

the myth of jobs Americans won't do
ILLEGAL aliens are concentrated in 4 industries (landscaping services, restaurant/hotel service, construction, food processing) but predominate in none-- which gives lie to the artful canard: just doing jobs Americans won't do. When the government makes a show raid on a meat plant, Americans refill those jobs immediately. Americans cost more on the surface, but only to the miscreant employers which pocket the "savings" when they instead hire ILLEGALS. Your hotel room, or hot dog, or produce is no cheaper to YOU... and Middle America is forced to bear the egregious and pernicious socio-economic burdens and plethora of social pathologies that ILLEGALS foist upon us.

The all-in costs of ILLEGALS to American society are STAGGERING, snowballing, and perhaps soon to be irreversible. The truth is, guest worker programs themselves rarely work as intended anywhere in the world... a positive example were the true migrant workers who returned home to Mexico seasonally, but the current plague of ILLEGALS is a totally different scenario.

We MUST DEMAND that out pols listen to the 70%+ majority and begin to stanch and reverse the ILLEGAL alien malignancy.

ABM Industries
http://www.abm.com/ilwwcm/connect/ABM/Home/About+ABM/Board+ of+Directors




http://youtube.com/watch?v=wTwO457C8bQ&feature=related

The Mexification of America

How much is enough?
America already allows more immigration than all other countries combined! Why are we always slandered for being racists and nativists just because most of us want it to be done in an orderly and legal manner and bring in only people we need who will be loyal to America? We have a growing tuberculosis problem here in CA and more and more of us are no longer eating at fast food restaurants who hire illegals. We had a Souplantation directly across the street from my office closed for a month last year and it seems that the problem is working it's way around. TB folks! Another of those horrible diseases we had eradicated at one time. Welcome to Linda Chavez' 3rd world America. She will be happy with either McCain or Obama.

Linda Chavez is not Mexican
Her ancestors are from Spain, you know, the country that "liberated" Mexico from the Aztecs and whose descendants now claim a right to the American Southwest. I say we take the US military and "emigrate" all the way to the Panama Canal. Hey, if laws don't matter, why should we trouble ourselves with laws? New rule: we only do what we want to do because... well... just because.

Yak, yak, yak
Haven't we learned anything from Katrina. First you fix the holes in the dam. Then you start pumping out the water, or you let the water soak into the ground. We have about 20 million illegals in this country. We can't deport them all not even most of them. Actually we could but we do not have the will to do it. So, I suggest we close the damn borders to anyone, except a select few, for two or three years and then strictly control who and how many we want to let in. That is exactly what most European countries do. If you get picked up in Europe without legal papers you are immediately deported and banned, depending in what country you where picked up, anywhere from six month to five years from entering the country legally.
You can sneak back in but if you are caught again you may be banned for life. Sounds like a good plan to me.

America is clear about ILLEGAL aliens

The general public overwhelmingly favors REAL immigration reform (but NOT Kennedy-McQuisling Scamnesty posing as "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"). Poll after poll shows that Americans want well-enforced, sensible, and sustainable
immigration laws and LEGAL immigration
of the educated and skilled who can be positive contributors on balance.

* 89% of Americans think illegal immigration into the U.S. is a problem (30% "extremely serious," 33% "very serious," and 26% "somewhat serious."
(Time Magazine, Jan. 2006)

* 82% think that not enough is being done along the borders to keep ILLEGAL aliens from crossing into the country.
(New York Times/CBS May 2007)

* 68% feel that the number of immigrants who cross the border, whether legal or ILLEGAL is “too high”. (Polling Company, Sept. 2006)

* 62% oppose making it easier for ILLEGAL aliens to become citizens of America.
(Quinnipiac Univ., Feb. 2006)

*71% believe that ILLEGAL aliens should not qualify for in-state tuition rates at colleges and universities.

*77% oppose making drivers' licenses available to ILLEGAL aliens.

*71% favor requiring foreign visitors to carry a tamper-proof universal I.D. card

*77% say that employers can require English-only on the job

The PC ilk, the leftist MSM, ethnocentric Hispanic groups, and the NAU/SPP/CFR/NWO open borders, globalist, miscreant employer types barrage us with disingenuous info, but Middle America IS righteously indignant about ILLEGALS. If not stopped and reversed via enforcement of EXISTING laws, which would lead to attritive repatriation, they will morph us into a third world barrio. Furthermore, they will vote in a permanent welfare entitlement state after bringing in their myriad ignorant indigent relatives.

caveat emptor about Ms. Chavez...
Linda's monster company employs ILLEGAL aliens-- she is on the board of a monster janitorial services company!

http://www.abm.com/ilwwcm/connect/ABM/Home/About+ABM/Board+ of+Directors

Funny thing, but if you look just a bit below the surface, you often find that when the prominent support ILLEGAL aliens with puffery about "humanity" and "compassion" (see Amnesty John's "they are God's children too"), you often find a self-aggrandizing angle to their "compassionate conservatism" toward ILLEGAL aliens.

But one person's societal charity/altruism is often another's burden... the open border ilk are not footing the tab for the myriad socio-economic ills visited upon America by ILLEGAL aliens. ILLEGAL alien employers want to milk the "new slaves," BUT the rest of us get stuck with the taxes, social service enervation costs, school decimations, crime, gangs, drugs, etc., ad nauseam. When ILLEGALS push out "anchor babies," and head to the welfare line for a place, Linda Chavez does not take those bebes into HER home to rear at HER expense! And the "savings" are pocketed by the employers-- YOUR hotel room or sausage is NO CHEAPER to YOU.

Such a deal for Middle America! See what YOU can do to save America at my posts here. It is EASY to get engaged by contacting Congress and your state officials. [Yes, I admit it, this has become my raison d'etre and cause celebre... America is too special to lose.]

Immigration is a complex issue
Immigration is a complex issue. Much more complex than most Americans, or anyone else for that matter, want to admit.

Congress has the Constitutional responsibility to set the rules for immigration, at least until recently, when the Supreme Court usurped that authority.

As long as there is freedom in the United States, freedom to control one's own destiny, there will be immigration - both legal and illegal. When immigration comes because men want to be free, we should not object. However, when immigration comes to take advantage of a corrupted and failing system of welfare, or to prey on others, Americans have a right to object - and Congress must act.

As to the jobs illegal immigrants take that most Americans will not take, you may argue that fact all day long - but until you have stooped in a vineyard and harvested grapes, you will not have a proper understanding of just what it is so many illegal immigrants do. It is difficult, back-breaking work - and no, most Americans will not sign up for such labor. Most Americans do not have that kind of work ethic. They would rather stay home and allow the government to send them a check for smoking dope and watching Oprah.

Until we, as Americans, require something of those who cash government checks... until we teach our children that it requires work to buy that new car... until we export our greatest resource - freedom - we will have an immigration problem.

And I don't see that happening for some time to come...

Xenophobia 101
Comments on Townhall offer those of us with an IQ over 85 an extensive guide to understanding the Xenophobe mentality.

1) If a columnist happens to be Hispanic and mentions the word "immigrant" the Xenophobes will immediately begin to grow infuriated.

2) The Xenophobes will start out by making bigoted attacks directed at said Hispanic columnist, such as: "The fact is, 95% of latinos are pigs" and "Quickly, the fact is that we're being invaded by an inferior culture. Every person of low quality we import plants a family-tree that bears low-quality fruit. The rotten fruit of that tree will rot our own fruit."

3) The Xenophobes will begin quoting largely discredited statistics such from fringe groups like CIS, FAIR, and NumbersUSA, such as:

"$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html"

4) After earlier attempts to impact the discussion with discredited statistics fail, the Xenophobes often resort to quoting entirely phony and invented statistics such as: "30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens."

5) When all else fails, the Xenophobes go back to square one, and begin making highly racist comments again...such as the following (all of which were pulled directly from Townhall's comment section):

"Send the law breaking, disease carrying, America hating,goverment assistant stealing, law breaking illegal immagrants back to THEIR HOMELAND."

"here, I'll just say it...I HATE MEXICANS
There, happy now? Yes, I do hate the mexicans around here in Utah. They are liars, dirty, nasty, germ ridden, law breaking, no english speaking, government money stealing, car jacking, 18 people to one PRIVATLY owned home, who cry racists anytime their little rug rats don't get their way."

"The human locusts come here seeking freebies"

The last rule
The last remaining rule in the guide to Xenophobia:

6) The Xenophobes will never win. Their candidates will never win elections and their attempts to stop immigrants from coming to this country will always fail, just as they have for the last 200 years.

Hysterical
I love how Townhall's resident bigot Lodestar always claims Linda Chavez only supports immigration reform because she sits on a board of a janitorial company. Um, last I checked Linda Chavez has been arguing for immigration reform for the better part of 30 years. According to the link Lodestar provided, she has only been on the board of ABM industries for a short while. So his argument that she only wants to help her company out is a total fabrication.

People, Linda Chavez is one of the brightest thinkers in all of conservatism. Just ignore the bigots on townhall like Lodestar and Zeezil--they simply ignorant fools.

Same old Chavez
"Riley's book will infuriate those who want to see America close her doors, throw up barriers, and shrink in size. "

Still at it Linda,Don't get run over by the bus.
To take your tack, afterall illegals, and their opposition to common sense, are the ones causing it. Why blame us, Linda, really now?
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