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Friday, February 08, 2008
Linda Chavez :: Townhall.com Columnist
Time to Unite
by Linda Chavez
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The bitter squabbling on the right over the presidential nomination has now entered a dangerous phase. Politics is about winning elections, not winning prizes for ideological purity. Do the conservatives who consider John McCain an apostate really believe their cause will be better served by having Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in the White House? Because their truculence at the point when Republicans should be uniting is almost guaranteed to produce that result.

To his credit, Mitt Romney was not willing to make that gamble. "I cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror," Romney told a group of conservatives at the CPAC conference on Thursday. "If this were only about me, I'd go on. If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Sen. Clinton or Obama would win," he said.

"But I entered this race because I love America," he added. "And because I love America, in this time of war, I feel I have to stand aside for our country and our party."

Now the question is: will the hard-line anti-McCainites do the same? Consider the alternative -- what a Democrat will mean for conservative principles.

Both Clinton and Obama committed to pulling out of Iraq, regardless of the consequences. The only difference is that Obama wants to pull out immediately and Clinton says she wants the troops out within a year of taking office.

If Clinton or Obama is president, either one will nominate judges to the Supreme Court who favor unlimited abortion rights and government funding for abortion.

A president Clinton or Obama will expand the size of government and raise taxes to pay for that expansion.

John McCain, on the other hand, is committed to winning in Iraq. He supported putting in more American troops to accomplish that goal, at a time when even some Republicans were quietly talking about exit strategies. And he understands that the fight against Islamo-fascism today is as important as the fight against communism in the 20th century.

On the signature issue of social conservatism -- abortion -- McCain's lifetime record speaks for itself. He sponsored the ban on federal funding of abortion in 1987. He has consistently supported parental notification for minors seeking abortions. He also opposed partial-birth abortion, voting not only to support the ban, but twice to override President Bill Clinton's veto of the legislation when he was in office. The National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) gives McCain a 0 percent rating.

And on economic issues, his lifetime record is one of opposing tax increases, favoring tax cuts and importantly, skewering even his fellow Republicans when they engaged in pork-barrel spending.

The last thing that McCain should do now is to try to remake himself in order to satisfy his most vituperative critics on the right. The man endured five years of imprisonment and torture by the communists in Vietnam. Somehow I don't think hot air from Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter will make him repudiate what he believes in now.

And if it did, McCain would lose his strongest advantage -- namely a reputation as someone with true convictions. You don't have to agree with him on every issue. But at least you know he is not willing to say anything just to get elected. In this era of poll-driven politics, it's refreshing to be able to rely on a candidate's word.

Conservatives could stay home in November -- and some notable conservatives are threatening to do just that. If so, they will hand the election to the Democrats. But surely most conservatives understand that their principles and values will advance a lot further under a President McCain than a President Clinton or Obama.

There's a lot of time between now and Election Day for anti-McCain conservatives to come to their senses. But, the sooner, the better.

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Linda Chavez is chairman of the Center for Equal Opportunity and author of Betrayal: How Union Bosses Shake Down Their Members and Corrupt American Politics .

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this was a GREAT column!
Linda Chavez is right. It is time to unite!

UNITE REPUBLICANS!

UNITE!


It May Not Be Enough
As a Romney supporter, I'll do exactly what Mitt wants us to do and that's to support John McCain. However, those who may now hold their noses and vote for McCain I doubt will also open their wallets. That exacerbates the problem in trying to outdo the Dem's in fundraising and duplicating the enthusiasm for their nominee.

God help us.

If....
....Mccain is smart and chooses a strict conservative VP, I may likely vote for him. If he chooses some rino, like himself, I'll leave write in a real conservative. I WILL NOT compromise my principles just for a win.

Pro Amnesty Linda Chavez
Nice try LaRaza Linda.

So moderate John McCain gets elected and in 2009 the Democrats send him a bill to grant a "pathway" to citizenship and the right to vote to the 12 to 20 million POOR illegal invaders.

So who will these 20 million POOR people vote for after that? Who promises to take taxpayer's money and give it to the poor? The DEMOCRATS.

Conservative reward for voting for John McCain: NO Conservative President or Conservative Congress for the rest of our lives.

Thanks Linda, but NO Thanks.

Good Night Principles
The Republican Party has squandered any claim to being conservative. Drunken sailors spend their own money; the Republicans have spent our children's earnings. The Medicare Prescription Drug Bill should have been entitled "We Hate our Grandchildren Bill." John McCain is to conservative what Barry Bonds is to drug-free baseball. Get over it! The Republicans buried their principles. Iraq has been a nightmare. "Unite?" How about "good night?!"

sorry
I just can't sell my soul to win an election.

Guess i'm kinda funny about selling out to fake conservatives like mccain,,, but by all means....
You go right ahead.

What Huck did to build Arkansas
He can also do for America...

The True Record: Mike Huckabee and the Arkansas GOP

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Newsroom.Article&ID =154

It's quite a list of accomplishments - ones that made and are still making a difference for conservatism.


We're on to you, Chavez
At this point, Ms Amnesty Chavez, you probably don't care who gets elected, dem or rep: it's a win-win as the borders come tumbling down in a North American Union which is your primary concern.

With millions of new turrd world dependents crashing every social system, who needs to worry about fixing medicare, SS etc. It'll simply be a socialist, party controlled, handout system selectively administered with sharp divides between elite and serf.

And, as an insider bonus, you'll have all the servants an apparatchek's status requires - compliments of the state.

McCain has a lot of work to do
Last time I checked, McCain was still jabbing his fingers in the eyes of his conservative detractors. He has lied about and whitewashed his betrayals of the conservative agenda and he has been arrogantly dismissive of our concerns and positions.

If he has any hope at all of getting my vote, he's going to have to carry an olive branch to those of us on the right. Otherwise, I just a soon see the Democrats win. Like Bush and McCain, the Dems can call me a bigot for wanting the borders secured. At least coming from Democrats it will sting a lot less.

GOP Membership Suspended!

A long time member of the GOP.

As a long time member of the Republican Party who has held his nose like so many other conservatives while casting ballot after ballot for less than ideal candidates, I have decided to suspend my membership in the party beginning today until such time as the party returns to its core principles.

Based on reaction to Mitt Romney’s suspension of his presidential campaign today, it is obvious there will be many more Republicans choosing to suspend their activities on behalf of the party. This will be good for the party and put leaders on notice that the grassroots grunts who work tirelessly on their behalf have had enough.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/gop-membership-sus pended

Immigration
This is a core issue that Sn McCain has been extremely at odds with the vast majority of Republicans on. Whats the difference bt him and Clonton/Obama on this issue?

Fageddabout it!
Nope. I'm with those who are leaving the "Party".

I thought the disenchantment last election was over the top; now I am disenchanted and even more - alienated.

So you go ahead, have your little 'party'. Go to the McCain-hypenated surname wedding feast.

Not me. I'm striking out on my own independent streak.

The truth revealed
"Politics is about winning elections, not winning prizes for ideological purity."

Thank you Ms Chavez. In the first paragraph of your article you put your finger on the very attitude that has killed the Repuplican party in the first place.

Votes over values may be your idea of conviction but not mine. I choose not to follow the lemmings over the cliff. My vote may not count for much but it is mine to give or not. It is not for sale and I refuse to give it to the undeserving. I am a conservative first and a
Republican a distant second.



Voting For Senator McCain
To ignore my principles and vote for Senator McCain is not acceptable. Senator McCain is a Democrat running under a Republican label; just check his record in the Senate. If I wanted to vote for a Democrat, I would vote for the real thing. I am definitely voting third party for President this election.

Amen, grubby et al.
LaRazaLinda is the true winner in all this mess. She can't lose with all three contenders (four, if you insist on including Hucksterbee) supporting scamnesty and open borders.

All of them are intent on destroying the USA by encouraging the tsunami of illegal alien invaders who are transforming 'one nation' into at least 'two'; who are winking at the bleeding (make that hemorrhaging) of American services like schools, hospitals, etc.; who are acquiescing in the trashing (literally) not just of our neighborhoods but of our very culture.

There's not a dime's width of difference between any of these traitors.

None of the other issues matter a damn if there is no longer a recognizable USA to defend.

So LaRazaLinda is very happy today.

As for this conservative, I'll vote third party because I won't make a Faustian bargain with the devil for my soul.

Getting What We Deserve
I swore I would never again respond to this political bimbo when she opens her yap, but I guess I cannot keep my own shut at this point. I have grown weary of these Republican hot air bags who have little to no credibility trying to get us all to play nice and unite. Boy, from which Marxist liberal have we heard that term utilized ad nauseum? If I must reveal the name of the so-called woman with the blast furnace mouth who is joined at the buttocks to the pathetic sexual pervert, I must protest. Linda simply cannot stop lapping at the feet of anyone who will give her a few silver coins and a promise to let her keep showing us all just how little she knows about anything.

JUST DON'T GET IT
Linda, like the rebublicans , you just don't understand where we conservatives are. We aren't like the poor blacks ,in this country, who keep voting for the dems. Promising to end their misery. And as usual get nothing done. We don't judge people on their "good" intentions. We aren't sheep who vote the party line! We have principles,and we are tired of holding our noses! When we smacked down the amnesty program, we were informed by the rebublican higher ups that"something" needed to be done about talk radio and we conservatives. Well i guess this is our punishment!They can kiss my a$$. I spent 4 yrs as a marine, and i'm nobodys lapdog. If the democrats win, we'll be blamed , but we know who's to blame. It seems to me there has been collusion between the washinton rebubs and the dems and msm on this one. You all get what you want! Until we get a conservative in office, or dr Savage gets the nationalist party going. iwon't participate in the farce anymore!!

Pulling together
If the GOP pulls together it will not be because of the brilliant leadership of the selectee in waiting. It will be because those in the conservative spectrum realize that a self centered old fool is better than either one the left is going to offer. They will look at it as cancelling a vote for a dem, not placing a vote for McCain, otherwise most of them won't vote.

If there is a decent showing on election day in November watch McCain try to take credit for being a briliant uniter. Sounds like something his friends the Clintons would do.

Oh Sweetie
have you got a thing or two to learn.

" Politics is about winning elections, not winning prizes for ideological purity."

You are going to get tarred and feathered for this one. I don't even want to watch.

Unite for a third conservative party
The Republican party has not represented conservatives for a very long time. The fact that the traitorous MCain is their choice...or that Chavez is considered a Republican is reason enough to abandon this party of NEOCONs whose main goal is to sunder the sovreigntry of the USA. Chavez is a big time pusher for the hispanic takeover of this country. She is shameful in her push to ignore law to achieve her ends. Frankly when I survey the field of so called Republicans I do NOT want to be asssociated with most of them....She is a prime example. Let's face it-there is almost no difference between Hillary and McCain.....both losers and open border MORONS!!!

Unite for a third conservative party
The Republican party has not represented conservatives for a very long time. The fact that the traitorous MCain is their choice...or that Chavez is considered a Republican is reason enough to abandon this party of NEOCONs whose main goal is to sunder the sovreigntry of the USA. Chavez is a big time pusher for the hispanic takeover of this country. She is shameful in her push to ignore law to achieve her ends. Frankly when I survey the field of so called Republicans I do NOT want to be asssociated with most of them....She is a prime example. Let's face it-there is almost no difference between Hillary and McCain.....both losers and open border MORONS!!!

And I will begin the attack, M. Sederoff
Well, forget ideological purity. If that is the goal, why vote Republican unless we are dealing with a politics of power and nothing else? Linda does not even mention the borders issue. No wonder she never makes sense, as she has no logical principles that guide her thinking. Unable to follow a train of thought to its natural and practical conclusion.

Linda, forget about politics. Like McCain, you cannot run away from what you have expressed in the past. For that matter, why do you even post here in Townhall? You've already called most of us a raving bunch of bigots, anyway.

Get another life, lady. I will take Coulter, and Malkin, over you anyday. Does that make me sexist or racist? No -- just able to see who is the one who is blowing hot air and hoping for another political appointment as diversity queen.

No uniting behind McCain
for me. Sorry, no sell.

Too bad McCain got selected. I would have united behind ANY of the others, if reluctantly. But him, no, never.

The Demise of Rush Limbaugh
Your point is well made - but it does not consider the maturity of the radical far right. If they don't get their way they will whine and cry and take their ball and go home to mommy. These are adults in physical stature only - They are the prototypical abusive spouse that uses guilt and shame to manage their relationships.
Ohg
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/01/31/ohg-rea-tone-on-demis e-of-rush-limbaugh/

No McCain for me !
I will definitely not be voting for John McCain. This will be the 3rd time in Nine Presidential Elections where I will not be supporting the Republican candidate. I am tired of hearing Republicans whine and complain when Conservatives refuse to support their candidate. If McCain loses, Republicans have no one to blame except themselves for choosing a poor candidate. Once it bacame apparent that mccian is their guy, I changed my affilation from Republican to Independent and tore up the check I was going to send to the Republican Party.

We Won't Be Fooled Again
At least I hope not.
Despite the Democrats best efforts, the current administration has succeeded in discrediting most reasons for preferring a GOP President.
Starting this year, only one remained.
Any President might aggrandize power but a Republican would have to cope with the constraints imposed by a critical press. On the other hand the MSM will simply enable a Democrat, OR McCain.

chicken sounds would be appropriate
or perhaps slobbering noises as the pundits knell down to kiss the ring of their new annointed man of the hour, John McCain. If you want a clear analogy think how Robert Kennedy felt serving under LBJ whom he personally despised for a year.

As to Larazalinda, what do you expect from someone who supported McCain/Kennedy.

Vote for huckabee and hope for a bartered convention and don't be gutless conservatives.

The Demise of Limbaugh?
I've heard a lot of people like Ohg Rea Tone spouting nonsense about Limbaugh's demise. I can understand those that may not like Limbaugh's tone, style, or humor but you can't deny his conservative credentials and ideals. How many times has he been accused of being a party hack! Well this should dispense of that ridiculous notion right away. He's standing up for conservatism and not Republicanism and for that we should be happy.

Here's how I see it playing out for Limbaugh. He get's to say "See I Told You So" while watching McCain go down in flames in the general election and then play foil to either Hillary or Obama for the next 4 or 8 years. From a professional standpoint, that sounds like a perfect storm for him.

BTW, count me as a part of the ever growing chorus of longtime Republicans who won't be pulling the lever for McCain.

Another Scold Waggin' Their Finger
Just like you Ms Chavez, we stand for something, too. It's just not the same thing you stand for. What's the diiference between Hillary Clinton telling us to give up our principles and unite behind her and Ms Chavez telling us to do it behind McCain? Not one stinkin' thing.

Holster that wagging finger.

Chavez-Parker?
Are these two related? They must have compared notes since both columns rave about how bad conservatives are and how McCain won't really be THAT bad. Sorry chavez, compromise is NOT an option! These two are perfect examples of the federal school system. They are ignorant to the max!

Unite?
Like the dems, who have the Childrens Protection League seated in the pews right next to NAMBLA?
In the last debate, both JM and MH slammed Mitt with an outright lie and voters let them slide.
I had enough of that kind of honesty from WJC, thank you very much.
So when did caving on what's right become a good conservative practice?
Judges is my issue.
JM says he's going to nominate strict constructionist judges hmmm?
Remember your timelines folks.
JM formed the gang of 14, an extra-constitutional body, to prevent the so called nuclear option from being invoked, saying that we needed to preserve the filibuster in the event that we ever had another liberal president.
Duh.
Invoking the rule change would have had two effects: GWB would have a vote on all his judges, so the idea that McCain's actions got us Roberts and Alito is a lie.
Not only that, but by eliminating the extra-constitutional judicial filibuster, the republican majority would have shown the public some backbone and ethical honesty, and may have held on to the majority in both houses.
Instead, the gang of 14 added insult to injury, insuring that the blacklisting of Bush's judges could continue unabated.
(They are STILL blocking every nomination people).
Remember- Harriet Meirs was nominated BECAUSE of the gang of 14, not the other way around.
Now, if JM thinks the filibustering of judges is a constitutional practice, how the hell can you believe he'd nominate a conservative judge?
By whose definition- Teddy Kennedys?
If the republican party is that stupid, then let them wander in the desert until the sun burns out the panderers and the apologists, and if the left goes too far- there's always armed insurrection.

Of Course Linda Chavez Is Right
Hoever, we will have plenty of time to unite when we are done. In the mean time, we need to argue over platform and the final candidate.

Unfortunately, too many on the right and left see politics as religion -- they think that they are electing their respective Popes! Look at Ann Coulter, heck, she is ready to tie a platic bag over her head and ride the comet to heaven over this election. Good grief!

For me, as long as the dial is on the right of center, my life will be incrementally better than yesterday. As my grandfather before me, I tell my grandchildren, the best candidate is always a Republican.

Vote Conservative.
The Republican Party has abandoned Conservatism.

We who can not in good faith blindly follow the Party to ruin by voting for a Lying, Arrogant S.O.B. need to unite behind a viable 3rd party candidate or choose a "Write-In" candidate that is acceptable.

I would gladly vote for, or "Write-In" someone like Fred Thompson, Newt Gingrich, Thomas Sowell, Charles Krauthammer, or Jeff Sessions.

I will NEVER vote for McCain.


Lost my respect for Linda Chavez
After years of admiring Linda Chavez's work, all respect for her was lost right here:

"Politics is about winning elections, not winning prizes for ideological purity."

Linda, this is exactly how Hillary says 20 different things to 20 different groups in order to gather votes.

Contrary to what Chavez said, voters need to vote for conservatives who stand behind "traditional" conservative ideology. If Chavez thinks we did the right thing by supporting George Bush all through his radial liberal spending ways, then Chavez needs to become a Democrat.

Linda, politics is NOT about winning elections, but about being a leader of a set of beliefs that take the nation in a direction that is best for the future of our republic. It does NOT mean winning for winning's sake; otherwise, we get radical liberal George Bush types. Had we not supported the "compassionate conservative" (liberal) George Bush, we would now be in a position in 2008 to recapture the White House with a TRUE conservative, i.e., "limited government" conservative. Al Gore could not have been more liberal than George Bush has been these past years, and the republicans in the Senate and House would have been less leftist under Al Gore.

Linda, you have taken that final step into the abyss with your statement. You no longer have principles, like Mona Charen or Ann Coulter.

Sheep of the country unite!
Yes, at the end of the day, many conservatives will once again hold our noses and vote for McCain. Regardless of how I feel about McCain, I can't help Clinton or Obama appoint Supreme Court justices or put the finishing touches on our country's pending bankruptcy.

I really don't want to hear anymore "unite Republicans" speeches. Like most conservatives, I'll do what I think is best for the country and my children in the voting booth.

Chavez Outs Herself
Thanks to all of you who have correctly pointed out that Chavez does not speak for conservatives.

Can you believe this crap she said: "Politics is about winning elections, not winning prizes for ideological purity."

Why doesn't Chavez just say, "sack your principles".

Linda, you have made it easier for my time management. I can now read more columns from Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Mona Charen, Peggy Noonan and listen to Laura on the radio as I won't be wasting my time ever reading one of your spineless columns again.

Chavez has no principles, just like George Bush and McCain.

Last time I checked, the conservative movement has as its principle "LIMITED GOVERNMENT" as its core. The reason we do not hear any republican mention "limited government" is that the republican party is a liberal party. I will never support a liberal. A "moderate" is a liberal press definition of a liberal of a different flavor.

There are some of us who have principles, Chavez, unlike you. Good riddance to you.


Thank you Linda
I don't often agree with you especially on immigration but I needed this reminder from you,. And you didn't scold. You simply reminded us of an essential fact that both Obama or Hillary are a threat to our security.

I have an abiding dislike for McCain but if he is elected I do know, as the world will know, he will do everything he can to keep us safe.

Brett,
You have faster fingers than I. One need only perform cursory research to understand Chavez' motivations for backing Juan McAmnesty.

Oh, I see
It's so simple now that you have explained it Linda. Those who disagree with Mr. McCain should come to THEIR senses. I am so sorry that some of us are so thick-headed and irrational. It may just be that it is just as much the so-called "moderates"(interesting label) who are tearing apart the Republican party by dragging it further and further left while suggesting that the rest of us should just come along and stop complaining.

Shaking-out Process
Perhaps a McCain candidacy is a good thing. Let an anti-free-speech warmonger lead the Republicans to complete disaster. Then, people who believe in individual liberty at home and non-interventionism abroad (i.e. conservatism before its hijacking by the neocons) will get the chance to pick up the pieces and move forward.

POW
I have read a great deal of proclamations that Senator Mccain's POW experiance being to his credit as a political candidate. But, I have to wonder how trigger happy he would be in an event of a conflict with China, who was very prominate in NV. Also, can someone tell me if M Romney will continue to be on the ballots? If so, get out there and fight with your vote in the remaining primaries. In the words of Jimmy V, "Never give up!"

Linda Chavez is a conservative
Brett writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:39 AM
Pro Amnesty Linda Chavez
Nice try LaRaza Linda.
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Why don't you try telling the folks at "LaRaza" (sic) that Linda Chavez is one of them, and see how quickly they start laughing at you. La Raza hates Linda Chavez. Why? Because she is one of us: a true conservative.

Linda Chavez has spent 30 plus years defending the Republican party from the likes of La Raza. She has been the conservative movement's number one leader in the fight against affirmative action and against billingual education and for English as the official language.

And for some nut jobs on Townhall who act like 2 year olds to come on here and call her "LaRaza Linda" is just plain foolish.

Get yourselves a clue before you spew any more of your pitiful ignorance about Linda Chavez.

You never give up.
Linda says,

"The last thing that McCain should do now is to try to remake himself in order to satisfy his most vituperative critics on the right."

So, Linda, you're saying McCain should keep being his Liberal Lefty self. And that will do what? ---make sure no conservative votes for him.

"And if it did, McCain would lose his strongest advantage -- namely a reputation as someone with true convictions."

I hear you, you so love Mexicans you're afraid McCain might have to change his mind on illegals to get voted in. You want to feel secure when you vote for him that he will stay true to anmesty for illegals, and (my prediction) grant all of Mexico dual citizenship with the US, thereby erasing the illegal problem all together. While simultaneously erasing America.

Your article has reinforced my decision to never vote for McCain.

Here comes the banana in your tail pipe
Unite repubs. You don't remembeer that last banana we stuck in your tail pipe named W do you?
Here comes another one named Juan.

Sorry, I caught on. Sweet talk us and we will vote for another banana.

NOT!

Ph.D., J.D. proves his ignorance AGAIN
Ph.D., J.D. writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 8:01 AM
. For that matter, why do you even post here in Townhall?

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Ph.D., J.D. is the biggest joke on Townhall. Linda's column runs in newspapers across the country, you dipshit. Ph.D., J.D doesn't understand the difference between a "syndicated columnist" and a blogger. She doesn't "post here on Townhall" you buffoon. Townhall pays for her column because so many people, including you, read it.

She is the most prominent Hispanic in the Republican party and despite all the attempts but the loonies on here to get her kicked off, she remains. Why? Because a lot of people--most of whom don't spend the time to write comments on here--agree with her.


BEST COMMENT ON HERE SO FAR....
Just thought I'd re-post the best comment on here so far...

Rob writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:40 AM
True Republicans
To those "conservatives" who want to leave the Party, I say good riddance. This is a good weeding out process. True conservatives do not quit and run, no matter how bleak things look. Those of us fortunate enough to be around in the Reagan years and truly were of his kind learned this. So go home, but stay out of our way. It may take a long time to fix the party of Reagan but we will do it, with or without you.

The Parlor
Come into my parlor said the spider to conservative compromisers;

The only way I would vote for McCain is if he picks Romney as his running mate as a check and balance, and does so delegate.

The thought of Hitlary, or Obama, as commander-in-chief would make the military gag, and possibly revolt.

Rush, Coulter, Hannity, Ingraham---FAKES
Rush, Coulter, Hannity, and Ingraham are not real conservatives. They are entertainers who care much more about making money off of the lowest rung of the conservative movement than about about advancing true conservative principles. They will help hand the election to Hillary Clinton, thanks to the other fake conservatives who troll on Townhall all day long. (remember when this used to be a site where conservatives united instead of bashed our own?)

Thank you yet again Linda Chavez for standing up to these clowns and doing what is best for the Republican party. Some of us haven't forgotten all that you have done for the conservative movement.

For those that foolishly call her a RINO, I suggest you take a look at her organization http://www.ceousa.org to see how much she is doing to advance conservative principles. Something tells me she is doing more for the movement than all the trolls on Townhall combined.

Barno, here's a clue.
Google Linda Chavez and illegals, you will find many argument by her for illegals.

For example, she has explicitly said elsewhere that immigrants are better than Americans, that they work harder, they're less morally dissipated, etc. Time and again she has called for more Mexican immigration.

It's true she believes (at least, I think she does) in assimilation; yet she also believes that opposition to illegal immigration equates with ethnic bigotry.

This can be expected from people like Ted Kennedy, who continually play the race card, but when it comes from so-called conservatives like Chavez and McCain, who refuse to admit that there is principled, deeply considered oposition to the amnesty argument, it will harm the conservative movement for years to come.


$.02
I couldn't agree more. It is time to unite. Conservatives need to unite and shrink the big tent of the Republican party. Moderates like Chavez, Medvig, Bennett, Kemp, etc. are the reasons the Republican party will have a pro amesty loser like McCain as their candidate. These people are the reason the Republican party no longer stands for conservative principles. Hell No, I will not support a pro amesty candidate like McCain. I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
As I've said before, McCain has poked conservatives in the eye for most of his career, it's payback time baby!
I will write in a conservative of my choosing even if it's my own name.

DON'T LISTEN TO AMNESTY LOVING LINDA
I noticed she mentioned nothing about stopping the millions of illegals from Mexico in her article. That is because she wants amnesty for everyone with a surname like her's and other hispanic names. She is such a fake conservative. She loves amnesty and law breakers.

Come on, Linda,
Are you fishing?

Just trying to see how your support for McCain sells in conservative-land?

Aren't you the one who called us bigots and racists last year when we objected to the Comp Illegal Immigration Reform cabal orchestrated by your friend McCain?

We know who you are, you and Medved, and Fred Barnes, Bob Novak, Bill Bennett, and others who have thumbed their noses at your party's conservative base. We know you, and the WSJ, the open-borders wing of the Republican party.

And isn't it interesting too, how you cherry-pick McCain's record.

You fail to mention he voted against Pres. Bush's tax cuts, twice.

You fail to mention McCain/Lieberman, a bill that bows to the global warming scare mongers and whose effects will be to raise fuel prices, and place cap and trade restrictions on businesses (who will respond by moving their factories overseas, to China most likely), further eliminating US jobs.

You fail to mention he supported embryonic stem cell research.

You fail to mention he refuses to support a Federal Marriage Amendment, on the pretext that we should rely on federalism to settle the issue. (Here he is most detestable since he KNOWS the state courts are overturning referendums of the people who vote to uphold traditional marriage in their states.) This position makes him both for it and against it at the same time, depending on who his audience is.

As far as I'm concerned, the Republican party is happy to exchange its conservative base for moderates and social liberals and the ever-increasing Hispanic population who will be beholden to McCain for his amnesty gift.

McCain? Never.




Can't unite behind evil
I haven't read Linda in awhile, so I guess I was more than a little shocked to see "Politics is about winning elections, not prizes for ideological purity." I had a higher opinion of her than that. But it's good to know who is the enemy, and right now most of the enemies of conservatism are imposters in our own house. Get this through your head, Ms Chavez:

No Conservative will vote for McCain. We will vote for Obama, Hillary, and Ron Paul. Some of us will stay home in disgust. But your cynical view of what "politics" is about is exactly what we hate the most.

There is no compromise with evil. I would have thought you had learned that by hanging around real Conservatives for so long.

Time to Unite...
Unite, yes! However, I still have doubts about McCain. He does not have the right temperament to be President or even a Senator representing the Republican Party, and that scares me.

He has a good conservative record and seems to want to reconcile his differences with the conservative base. His speech at the CPAC conference would certainly indicate that. He should begin by down toning his responses to those he disagrees with, and curtailing somewhat his years as a POW; and stop compromising fundamental principals of conservatives so easily with the moderate and liberal Democrats without getting something beneficial in return.

I still believe that our political system is corrupt, self-serving, etc., etc., an unpatriotic system that must be changed/reformed. He and we must do something about this. Else, America will continue its slow and very painful decline into oblivion.

This election cycle and especially the 2010 elections are THE most important cycles of this new century. They will determine the direction of America and the world going forward. We must hope for the best, prepare for the worst…I urge you to V-O-T-E…else you have no right to complain!


Two peas in a pod
I read Linda just long enough to give her a 1-rating or be surprised to see that she has become a conservative. Of course she loves John McCain, he loves the illegal immigrants, too.

Unite Behind What?
I'm tired of being told to hold my nose. It's this very compromise mentality that has brought us to where we are wearing gas masks.

Tooting my blog cazoo about why we are sitting this out has still not gotten any of our critics to address our reasons why we aren't voting. We just keep getting told why we should compromise. Just keep accusing us of giving the election to Hillary.

It's the same note over and over again, with no responsibility taken for where you people and your suicidal, political expediency has taken us.

I vote conservative. If there is no one conservative to vote for, it's not my fault. A dime and a nickel's worth of difference is a pretty poor reason to sign away your soul.


who's crying??
I hear all of the charges that the conservatives are crying and whining. Actually, it is the GOP hardliners that are crying and whining.

The conservatives have simply stated that they are not going to back the socialist with the "R" next to his name. The GOPers are crying that the socialist with the "D" will get elected.

The conservative yawns and says, so what? I am looking for a party that represents some of my values, this must not be the place and walks away.

The GOPers cry and whine as they scream "You guys are a bunch of whiners! (sobbing ...) You bunch of babies!!"

The conservatives walk away dilligently looking for a candidate that has some of their values.

More nonsense from another elite
who knows quite well that if a person constantly refuses to stand up for principle, then eventually that person becomes someone without any principles at all. This lesser of the two evils philosophy is why our country is in the mess it is in.

All this attitude does is further the accrual of ever more power to the two parties. The election process is now totally engineered to accomplish this task. If we continue to do the same thing, how are we ever going to get a different result? The two parties will not change despite the rhetoric we are hearing these days. It is impossible!

Another elite will only continue the squandering of our rsources, the weakening of our military, the selling out of our sovereignty, and the mortgaging of our future, all to satisfy an internationalist agenda that seeks a new world order socialist paradise. We the people will be taxed even more to pay for our own demise.

The best solution for our beloved nation is to reject the DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda that keeps telling us we have no other choice, nowhere else to go. This lie, repeated over and over, has now become accepted as true, but it isn't! It is still a lie!

If you care to learn HOW the elites have duped us and robbed us of our inheritance, I urge you to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. You will find there common sense and hope for this country we love and call home, and a future of continued freedom for our children if we have the courage to actually do something other than the same old same old. Check it out, I hope to hear from you. Thanks, Joe

Go ahead and vote third party, guys
Just do it for the right reason. And btw, don't try pretending that you haven't had to hold your nose in the voting booth before. As Coulter (correctly, for once in her life) points out, a Democratic trifecta will return the Republicans to power even faster than did their 1992 victories. And as Malkin (again, for once, correctly) said, in the meantime, you can concentrate on the states, which is where most of the stuff is happening anyhow.

Your party's leaders are old and tired. The new blood's out there. Just look for it and don't wait for it to come to you.

Go ahead...unite the party...
...around liberalism.

Put McCain in office and you WILL get:
-Amnesty for illegals
-Hysterical global warming cap and trade policy
-More restrictions on political speech
-Legal rights and protections for terrorists
-Closing of Gitmo
-Intelligence gathering based on the hope that terrorists will be kind enough to give up information
-No oil drilling/exploration
-Higher gasoline taxes

You'll PROBABLY get:
-tax increases (or at least the repeal of the Bush tax cuts)
-the fairness doctrine

You MIGHT get
-a justice to the right of Ginsberg

Can someone enlighten me as to how Hillary would be worse? If we're going to have the same counterproductive policies, I'd prefer the president have a (D) after their name.

McCain commentators just don't get it
Those that supported McCain like Linda Chavez, just don't get it. Many of us don't like McCain personally or on policy issues. We are not just sore losers upset that our candidate didn't win. I supported Romney but would not have been this upset had Guiliani, Hunter, Thomspon, or Tommy won. It is that we don't trust McCain and worry what will become of our party. We are upset because we feel that there is no longer an option for president which represents us. However, given time I will likely vote for McCain because he is better than the Democrats on the war and he has been consistent on that point. However, telling us to "be adults" or "get over it" or lecturing us on why we are so stupid and need to just support McCain like all his intelligent and good supporters have already done does not help. Just let it rest. If you keep bringing it up and attacking those who are not immediately on board, you will merely fracture the party even more.

Barfo
"But the looneys on Townhall will never get it. They will continue to spew their bigotry toward Linda Chavez simply because she is an Hispanic.

For shame."

This is the same reason so many people can't stand McCain--because he accuses those who disagree with him as being racists.

I don't care if Linda was the most lily-white cracker on the planet, I would still disagree with her vehemently. My disagreement with her has nothing to do with race.

Shame on you for playing the race card (and for being an idiot).

Barno, did you attend public school?
"Linda's column runs in newspapers across the country, you dipshit. Ph.D., J.D doesn't understand the difference between a "syndicated columnist" and a blogger."

Barno, I recognize the quality of your writing sport --saw it when I used to teach in public school. You were the guys/gals we used to flunk for remedial ed. "Dip -- " is not a word generally used in political discourse. But for the record, the word "post" can be used in a broad or narrow sense, as in "The Washington Post." My guess is that you may be an ESOL student? Or was in the past? Give me a buzz and I will tutor you in the use of the English language. Best,

Ph.D., J.D.

Look in the Mirror, McCain
Asking us to unite? You first.




'get real' is right
If any of the other candidates were left standing and Mitt dropped out, we'd be more willing to unite behind them, I'm sure. Giuliani, Tommy Thompson, definitely Fred...any of them (well, except Ron Paul, the Libertarian). They haven't been the roadblock that McCain's been for the conservative agenda--they weren't part of the gang of 14.

Chavez Gets Her Amnesty Man
Now Juan McAmnesty will amnesty 15 million new Democrats. They will turn our nation into a liberal socialist welfare state.

Good by prosperity. Hello to waiting in health care lines. Hello unemployment and inflation and higher interest rates. Hello higher taxes and energy costs.

I will never forgive Chavez or McCain or Medved for destroying America. I will never come together with them.

I'm voting to punish them and all their Republican supporters.

A good dose of Hillary is just what these compromisers deserve.

Stop The Blame Game
Look, blaming Rush, etc. for the problems we're having is like blaming the weatherman for rain. People have not been voting for principled conservatives for some time and the results are coming home to roost. Principles matter no matter how you define it. Politics trumps nothing.

Hypocrisy lives here. How do you advocate surrendering principles then ask John McCain to stand firm and not surrender his? Hello? There is a huge disconnect here. The problem here is everyone seems to be forgetting it is the responsibility of the representative to do what? REPRESENT THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THEM! Personal beliefs be hanged. If you can't support the beliefs of your base, why are you there?

Folks, stop telling me McCain's a RINO
Tell me who isn't a RINO. Goldwater supported abortion rights, Teddy Roosevelt advocated anti-trust legislation, Lincoln trumped state's rights (to own slaves), Huckabee is a food policeman, Reagan even supported the Brady Bill. Romney was labeled a RINO until it became clear that McCain would win.

I'm waiting for an example of a true Republican. McCain haters please provide one.

By the way, lay off Linda Chavez. She is an excellent columnist.

Never--
Once again I will say no to juan macshamnesty and write in Hunter. If the sheep want to unite , so be it. With the dims and repubs this time it is win win with the open borders crowd.
I will say this again too, I can only wish that my wife's and my Viking ancestors could come back and be put in total control of our borders with the use of today"s weapons. Also put them in charge of giving discipline to weak, sell out politicians and their ilk. It is a good wish, but in reality we will now prepare for the possible sell out of the country. I hope that I am wrong and we are not sold out.

B. Svara

McCain & Hillary Two peas In A Pod
McCain will raise carbon taxes.

McCain will amnesty 15 million new Democrats.

McCain cannot appoint conservative judges. They would overturn McCain / Feingold. McCain will appoint "moderate" judges like Kennedy and O'Conner who will not overturn McCain / Feingold or Roe v. Wade. Pro-Lifers take note.

McCain will close Gitmo and bring the terrorists to America so ACLU lawyers can get them off.

McCain would rather see many more American deaths than inconvenience a few terrorists with water up their nose!

McCain is every bit the liberal that Hillary is. The difference is McCain hates conservatives more than Hillary.

Idealogical Purity.??.

Linda, baby, who are you wishing to kid. McShameless is going to lose with or without our support. He is just going to lose it in a big way without our support. We will not vote for this man, a poor example of a conservative and almost a liberal Demoncrat. Purity like a septic tank maybe.??.

I will simply not vote for either candidate. The demons have enough support anyhow.

We are sending a message that Repubs will not stand for poor horse flesh. Send him to the glue factory or dog food if you will.


Chavez a good columnist?
How so -- she has accused those opposed to immigration of being bigots and racists.

Obviously, it is legitimate to vote or not vote for a person based on how closely an individual adheres to a set of principles. Sure, Goldwater was no perfect, and neither was Reagan -- but McCain has been WAY off.

Our country is in trouble -- we can hardly pay for what we have committed to already. And yet spend more on illegals receiving health care and education?

Thankfully, I have earned a boatload of money investing in gold, which will become an even better investment as the govt. inflates the currency to pay for the financial mess it has created, and to dish out the services that the illegals take advantage of (as for the legals, more power to them -- I'm of Hispanic descent myself.)

But I digress. However you cut it, Malkin and Coulter put this "journalist" to shame. Chavez is simply a waste of time. But good for a chuckle now and then.

Maximillian
With all of those you listed, there was ONE item on which they were in opposition to conservative principles. That I could live with.

With McCain, I could count all of his conservative bona fides on one hand with several fingers to spare.

I agree...
with the folks who say they have had enough of holing their nose. I am tired of having to try to figure out which of the candidates who don't stand for what I believe in to vote for. Hillary, McCain, Obama, I don't see that it makes much difference. Once again we will have to fight hard for every seat in congress so we can, once again, stop the president who doesn't share our values.

McCain does what is best for McCain. If folks want to see that as standing for something, sure, why not. I suppose it is. But it is not what I look for in a presidential candidate.

I was for Romney, but he doesn't tell me how to vote. I will find someone I can vote for with a clear conscience, or I won't vote. That is what it means to stand for something.

I keep wondering, if so many folks don't like McCain, why don't we have a conservative party? I keep hearing that Duncan Hunter was a good candidate. I don't know that much about him, but if he was that good why don't we conservatives get behind him, or someone else, and form a party we actually believe in?

LEPROSY and illegal immigration in Ark.
For the latest on how illegal immigration is polluting our communities, see the following article on LEPROSY outbreaks in Arkansas. Though the carriers are apparently legally here, their cultures don't seem to value staying under medical supervision, so now there is a potential epidemic. (But wait, those of us who oppose border control are racists . . . .)

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=7841296

giving conservatism a bad name
In fact:

To hear all the blather on this (and others) thread; America is pure white, anglo-saxon and blue eyed, or else the country will go to the dogs.

I'm reminded of the old days; when only white kids went to the ski lift; or swam in the olympics or got a job in a television sitcom; you know; a "perfect world, our USA." The Beaver's house, "Gee, Wally," etc., TV was the real indicator, not like now.

I recall Jack Nicklaus lining up a putt. The announcer Jack Whittaker whispered: Look at that; his shock of blond hair, the good looks; just an All-American boy, Yup."

Maybe Linda Chavez was like 4 years old at that time. Certainly none of us here would've called her All-American; and what about Tiger Woods? The Great Time for yuz guys, Hmm ? My, how times change !

DO TRY TO BE HONEST MS. CHAVEZ.
It was not very clever of you to avoid the elephant in the room by listing a few of McCain's, ahem, errors of judgement while totally ignoring his most egregious affront to conservatives: AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS."

That you are known to be pro amnesty plus open borders does not say much for your objectivity. Methinks you would gain more credibility by trying to convince us why America would be any better off with "Janus" McCain than we are with the present "amnesty/open borders" POTUS.

Honesty is the best policy when writing for TH, Ms. Chavez. You should try it sometime.

Holla Chavezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!
"Politics is about winning elections", ya lost me there, Goallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!

I mean Chavezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!

Politics is about POWER! The commiequeer demi-God Stalin didn't give a damn how people voted as long as he got to COUNT! In this case, the Gilt Bird Cabin GOPpers didn't care how we Conservatives voted because they made SURE we didn't have anybody to vote FOR except THEIR choice! Learned their lesson from Shamnesty and made sure it couldn't happen again--but that's for the second post.

I did manage to get to you question though, and agree it is THE CENTRAL one--Does The McChurian Candidate or Hillybama serve Big Mick's Conservative Cause better.

And the OBVIOUS answer IS: Hillybama!!!!

As I have said often and widely on TH, Mac is Socialism Lite to Hillybama's Socialism Straight.

Leeeendaaaa! Your well let's be exceedingly gracious and call it your "Political Philosophy"
of Compromise has brought us to the brink of Socialism. I ain't going one more step down that road behind Mac & his beeches. Now I WILL shove the Republic OVER the cliff in the hope those who climb out of the wreck will reverse course back to Constitutionalism.

That's why Hillybama is the LESSER of the evils. America just MIGHT choke on Socialism Straight and puke it up!
Mac's Socialism Lite just lulls the victim to sleep, poisoning more surely for being slightly slower. Mac's murder of the Republic is more LESS likely to be survivable than Hillybamas.

So my duty is clear.

The big mick

If McCain Expects
conservative votes, he will have to earn them.

No more free rides just because you place an "R" behind your name.

Smoke filled Gilt Bird Cabins
But Leeeennnnndaaaaaa!
the BIGGEST HOOT was to consider the BASE PREMISE of your (snicker) "Political Philosophy"

"WINNING ELECTIONS" OK--let's see if the Gilt Bird Cabin CINO/RINO Candidate from the Conservative Free GOP meets the test of a Winner.

1. He is old and Hillybama is young.
2. He is an insider and Hillybama more outside.
3. He is grumpy, they talk Hope.
4. He's old school, they talk Change--in an era
of change!
5. He's Nixon--they got the Black JFK!
6. He's Dole the Lesser ("I can lead, I can lead...It's MY TURN, It's MY TURN!!!), they Got
Clinton the Woman! (If the play don't work
the time RUN it AGAIN!!)

7. He's COMMITTED to Iraq (rightly so, BUT) they
say "bring em home"--and the voters???

So Mac has the REACH on em....where???????

But that ain't the real reason is it? 70% of the electorate opposed shamnesty, want the border sealed. And The McChurian Candidate?....

OH THAT'S RIGHT! He's on the LOOSING SIDE WITH HILLYBAMA!!!!!!!

And that's a WINNING strategy exactly how?????

Is it POSSIBLE that the GOP had a POLITICAL AGENDA that MEANT MORE to them then WINNING the ELECTION???? And what would that BE???

The WiNNING issue was....and THEIR candidate is......? Things that make you go hmmmmmmm?


mick

hey dreadhead!!!!
Takes one to know one!!!! nah nah!

Let's see, who WAS it that said: "For the Race everything, for those outside the Race nothing!"

Was that Shakespeare? Tom Jefferson? Abe?
Some dead white guy????

NAWWWWW that was our beloved neighbors to the South, our good friends of the Reconguista, who brought you "Por esspanyol marke el dos!"

Who also assure us: "It isn't illegal if they stole it from you in the first place."

And IRISHMEN AIN'T anglo-saxon OR Proddy, son.
WE learned American, came legal, ENCULTURATED, took jobs too dangerous to use a valuable slave, and RATTED out OUR Terror group--the Molly McQuires!!
If de Meeheeecans will do THAT, then welcome to the family!!! If not, bugger off!

And if they put up signs if Gaelic they read "No Irish Apes Need Apply."

mick

listen to the bigtick:
Bigmick, a staunch consoyyyyvatick:


Holla Chavezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!
"Politics is about winning elections", ya lost me there, Goallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!

I mean Chavezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!

"Politics is about POWER! The commiequeer demi-God Stalin didn't give a damn how people voted as long as he got to COUNT!"

That's awesome! You equate our election with Bolshevik revolution? Wyin I think of that?

"In this case, the Gilt Bird Cabin GOPpers didn't care how we Conservatives voted because they made SURE we didn't have anybody to vote FOR except THEIR choice!" ...... I really suspect they STILL don't care, Mick. (Heheh--! WE conservatives. Kimo-Sabe--who's WE ? )

Learned their lesson from Shamnesty and made sure it couldn't happen again--but that's for the second post.

I did manage to get to you question though, and agree it is THE CENTRAL one--Does The McChurian Candidate or Hillybama serve Big Mick's Conservative Cause better. >>>>>>>>>>>>

BIG MICK'S conservative cause ? (Who's The McChurian Candidate, Man ???? You mean "cause" he was a real, honest-to-God POW ? Is that why Micky laughs at him? If you have the right to say McChurian Candidate, don't complain when you're known around here forever, as BigTick. -- Say, is that a CHIGGER ?


chill, bigtick
Who also assure us: "It isn't illegal if they stole it from you in the first place."

You pay attention to wackjobs like La Raza, et Reconquisted ? I knew you were dim; but Pal; Don't lose sleep over a gaggle of stupid college radicals who play the race card. (Unless you are a racist as well.)

"And IRISHMEN AIN'T anglo-saxon OR Proddy, son.
WE learned American, --We speak English, Mate,) came legal, ENCULTURATED, took jobs too dangerous to use a valuable slave, and RATTED out OUR Terror group--the Molly McQuires!!
If de Meeheeecans will do THAT, then welcome to the family!!! If not, bugger off!

And if they put up signs if Gaelic they read "No Irish Apes Need Apply."

Gosh, BugMick; yeah! I love the Irish; I rully do ! They produce the finest whisky, (Jameson's is my usual,) the finest racehorses on earth, and excellent Catholic priests,

But you know why God made the Irishman a hopeless alcoholic? Because otherwise he would have ruled the earth. So; anyone can tell BigMick is at the keybyoord typing under the influenza del Jamesons. Or air yez a Bushmull's Tick ? HA HA! Surely you've nothing against Tequila, too ? Come on! Get ENCULTURATED, and sleep tonight; the Mexicans won't punk yew.

Gonna email Linda Chavez
Like, something cheering;

Linda, (Which means LOVELY, in Spanish)

I've found a new admirer of your column; a fine person, very enculturated; Irish ! (The Irish were well-received in Old Mexico, in revolutionary times.)

Mick is very taken with yez, Linda-- we know his political bent is under construction; and soon we'll sober him up so he can see clearly again. Because he's an important member of our conservative community; I vouch for him truly; I would walk on hot coals if he expected me to. Mick can be converted, Linda. He will fight for the right; and John McCain will never have a prouder supporter, NO, a fighter for the McCain vanguard against puffed-up Hil and Get Down Barack --I tell you we'll schmersh them! In honor of Saint Patrick, that saint most precious of all, whose feast day is approaching March 17th ! He is surely praying in heaven for the continued success of our great Republican candidate, John the Baptist McCain himself! Meet BigtMick ! Truth and honor as befits a son of the Ould Sod.

Deadnuts
"In fact, what is wrong with showing Christian compassion and charity for illegal immigrants?"

Nothing at all. Just do it with your own money. There is nothing charitable or compassionate about confiscating other people's money to fund your moral adventures. If you want to donate your money to illegals, I'm behind you all the way. Just don't force everyone else to do it through the power of government.

Wish it were so simple
dreadnaught writes: 3:53 PM
Here's a nice post:
Ph.D., J.D. writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:43 PM
"Chavez a good columnist?
How so -- she has accused those opposed to immigration of being bigots and racists."
-----

dreadnaught then writes:
No she hasn't. Not at all. In fact; illegal iimigration is the problem we face. Racism is not what she's talking about; nor being opposed to it.-------
=================
ts:
not trueeeee
She has called all who opposed the amnesty as bigots.
Then she gave a wimpish apology.
She looked better being the bigot her remarks show her to be.


Lets quote Linda's wide brush:

Some people just don't like Mexicans -- or anyone else from south of the border. They think Latinos are freeloaders and welfare cheats who are too lazy to learn English. They think Latinos have too many babies, and that Latino kids will dumb down our schools. They think Latinos are dirty, diseased, indolent and more prone to criminal behavior. They think Latinos are just too different from us ever to become real Americans.

Unfortunately, among this group is a fair number of Republican members of Congress, almost all influential conservative talk radio hosts, some cable news anchors -- most prominently, Lou Dobbs -- and a handful of public policy "experts" at organizations such as the Center for Immigration Studies, the Federation for American Immigration Reform, NumbersUSA, in addition to fringe groups like the Minuteman Project.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/LindaChavez/2007/05/25/l atino_fear_and_loathing?page=full&comments=true


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ts:
I belong to a couple of these groups,( if not active in all) and my daughter-in-law was born in Guadalajara Old Mexico.
Lou Dobbs is one of the few voices telling it like it is.
Fringe group? NumbersUSA?
Linda is fringed

For me, Linda is the bigot

hey dreadhead . . .
Indeed Sir, I am not a Christian if by such you mean that I believe Govt. has a right to take my money to give to a cause (such as illegals getting healthcare, etc.) that I don't believe in. And no, I am not a Christian if it means we cannot set laws that govern our own borders and live by a rule of law that ALL people adhere to. No Sir, I am not a Christian if by that you mean I need to close my eyes when somebody screams "racism" in replying to a position or argument based on principle (even if one disagrees with it). So, I guess I am not a Christian. However, if by Christian you mean that I believe in Christ (though cannot see where in Bible he said to steal from my neighbor to give to whom I deem needy) who supports my right to life, liberty, and the right to live by the law of the land and hold others to it, then yes, perhaps I am a Christian.

But what if I were not, but rather Jewish, Muslim, or Mormon? Would that really matter?

McCain
Would Hillary or Obama be worse than McCain? I surely do think so. I don't like McCain because of some of his policies, but he will be less bad than either of the Democrats. If the Democrats hold the Senate and the House, a Democratic President would have no possible opposition to their policies. Don't forget the Supreme Court. Five justices are quite old (of course, their ages seem less old to me now that I am 86) and there will be a need to appoint some. Do you think that Hillary or Obama are likely to appoint strict constructionists or judicial activists?
A lot of harm can happen to the country in four years. It is tempting to punish the Republicans for their behavior, but it will be punishing the whole population. Do those who plan not to vote or to vote for third party. Voting for a third party conservative would and will ensure a victory for the Democrats. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Don't forget that we are in World War IV with radical Islam. Some seem to forget September 11, 2001. If ever there was a time for a single issue vote, now is it. What sort of Commander-in-Chief will Hillary of Barack be?

Ooooo ! A strong O !
Dear Rock,
I'm not dead; don't put words in my mouth yet. I was not referring in any way to money; Christian charity means love and compassion--it means understanding, and not hating but returning good for evil; as Our Lord taught us.

If people of your persuasion don't want to share your good fortune with anybody, there's nothing wrong with that. Love is sharing, but if you share with only those you love, that's fine. It's still your heart that counts; NOT being mean-spirited or hate-filled. Nor hating those who DO choose to be generous and understanding as if they too, ought to fight over table-scraps or kick someone poorer than themselves in the teeth.

You apparently think only in terms of MONEY. Jesus taught us, You can't serve God and Mammon; because you'll serve the one and hate the other," --

We have such a sickness in our country. It's materialism; which is more ugly in God's sight than even injustice. The worship of material possessions, and coveting more, even when you're already wealthy. That's plain idolatry. And, what the hell; we shall always have poor people. When they go without, the materialist always refuses to care. I care about you; whether you have money or not. I'm proud to be an American, because our country has always been glad to help others, generous and good to our neighbors. --But that's not important anymore; some of us are in love with possessions. You should think about that, Strong Boy /

LIARS ON TOWNHALL
THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXAMPLE OF A LIAR ON TOWNHALL, GOLDILOCKS, SPEWING PATHETIC LIES ABOUT LINDA CHAVEZ:

goldilocks writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:20 PM
Barno, here's a clue.
Google Linda Chavez and illegals, you will find many argument by her for illegals.

For example, she has explicitly said elsewhere that immigrants are better than Americans, that they work harder, they're less morally dissipated, etc.

---------------------------------------------------

Excuse me, Goldilocks, but you have just outed yourself as a liar. Linda Chavez has NEVER, I repeat NEVER "explicitly said that immigrants are better than Americans, that they works harder, they're less moreally dissipated."

This is what the Townhall loonies have been reduced to. They have zero legitimate argument against Linda Chavez, so they resort to making up lies about her simply because she is an Hispanic.

LIARS ON TOWNHALL
THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE LIES THAT GET PASSED AROUND ON TOWNHALL BY LIARS LIKE GOLDILOCKS:

goldilocks writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:20 PM
Barno, here's a clue.
Google Linda Chavez and illegals, you will find many argument by her for illegals.

For example, she has explicitly said elsewhere that immigrants are better than Americans, that they work harder, they're less morally dissipated, etc.

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Linda Chavez has NEVER, I repeat NEVER said "explicitly that immigrants are better than Americans, that they work harder, they're less morally dissipated."

This is what the loonies on Townhall have been reduced to. They can't argue with Linda Chavez with facts because she will tear them a new one since she's been studying this stuff for 30 years. So the loonies on Townhall have to come up with other tactics, like resorting to making up blatant lies about Mrs. Chavez.

Hysterical.

How did we get here?
Independents in New Hampshire. Then the amnesty crowd in Florida gave McCain the 3% bump he needed to all of sudden take the momentum. Do you think the story would be different if Romney won Florida?

I know, we shouldn't play the what if game. But the unpredictability and inconsistency of McCain getting the nomination, plus the tactics of his alliance with Huckabee is HARDLY a mandate--

sure, it is what it is. But how does all of what happened LEGITIMIZE the McCain-gloaters, the sore winners--how does it make them right? If anything, they're lucky. How does a 3% bump in Florida mean that conservatism is dead? How does the West Virginia senate-style back deal mean that Rush/Sean/Laura and almost ALL of the conservative base are wrong?

It's like when a blackmailer gets what he wants and says to the victim, "I know we've had our differences, but now it's time to make nice."

I'm sorry Senator McCain...but if you want unity...you first. Prove it. Do unto others right?

If the right abandons you, then it's a dose of your own medicine. I'd prefer a McCain commander in chief than a Hill or Barack--but how DARE you put us in this position.

dear talent scout,

SCOUT, My friend,
You seem a fair-minded, honest conservative. Your cut/paste of Linda's remarks follows:

"Some people just don't like Mexicans -- or anyone else from south of the border. They think Latinos are freeloaders and welfare cheats who are too lazy to learn English. They think Latinos have too many babies, and that Latino kids will dumb down our schools. They think Latinos are dirty, diseased, indolent and more prone to criminal behavior. They think Latinos are just too different from us ever to become real Americans.

Unfortunately, among this group is a fair number of Republican members of Congress, almost all influential conservative talk radio hosts, some cable news anchors -- most prominently, Lou Dobbs -- "

What is it you find repugnant ? She speaks her mind; correct her if you can.

Remember, Linda Chavez says SOME PEOPLE, (not conservatives or everybody on the Right) and she talks about many who have REALLY fanned the flames of indignation in our halls of Congress--they were hate-mongering without restraint to "arouse their conservative base," as they believed; because YES, the talk shows --most of all Lee Rodgers, who is a DEMAGOGUE, his clone Melany Morgan, and yeah Dobbsie --Fred C. Dobbs. These guys were rabble-rousers. It's true. The conservative voters didn't get to their fever pitch without all that raw RADIO meat.

You question that ? Some people DO hate Mexicans. OR DO YOU DENY IT ? Nobody says YOU hate them. She wasn't talking about rank and file conservatives. Linda was referring to the demagogues in our party. THEY ARE IN IT; pay attention, Talent Scout.

TOWNHALL BIGOTS AND RACISTS
Message to all the bigots and racists on Townhall who disguise themselves as the "real conservatives":

You are not fooling anyone. You are not Republicans. You are disgraces to this country. You attack a legitimate American hero like Linda Chavez simply because she is Hispanic.

THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS CAME DIRECTLY FROM THIS VERY WEBSITE, TOWNHALL.COM

IT'S AMAZING HOW NAIVE (OR BLIND) SO MANY CONSERVATIVES ARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE PEOPLE THEY ARE IN BED WITH. SO MANY GOOD, WELL-INTENTIONED FOLKS DON'T EVEN REALIZE THEY ARE STANDING SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THE LIKES OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS:

“We don't want spanish speaking little retards befouling our great country.”

"The fact is, 95% of latinos are pigs."

"Most latinos are thieves and are corrupt"

"They can be referred to as: Human Locusts"

"your correct i believe only 92 % are pigs."

"most Mexicans, especially men, are lazy good for nothing drunks who only care about sacking as many mujeres that they can."


TOWNHALL BIGOTS AND RACISTS, PART II
PART II OF THE TOWNHALL BIGOTS AND RACISTS:

IT'S AMAZING HOW NAIVE (OR BLIND) SO MANY CONSERVATIVES ARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE PEOPLE THEY ARE IN BED WITH. SO MANY GOOD, WELL-INTENTIONED FOLKS DON'T EVEN REALIZE THEY ARE STANDING SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THE LIKES OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS:

"one question, do you do windows?"

"I take Ms Chavez is of latino culture, does anyone one know if she is in america legally? The way she words her column would make one think not."

"why is the country of Mexico such a toilet?"

"get over the fact many of us will stop such as you and the racists like Linda Chavez from making America like the hell hole the Mexicans wallow in"

"Quickly, the fact is that we're being invaded by an inferior culture. Every person of low quality we import plants a family-tree that bears low-quality fruit. The rotten fruit of that tree will rot our own fruit."

"The Mexicans getting dumped on us are the worst of a corrupt, dysfunctional nation; they're thieves and criminals the second that they cross our borders."

"Every Mexican who comes here makes America worse, and this article is proof of it."

"How dare you call us racists when ILLEGAL ALIENS move 20 or 30 into a single family home next door to us and lower our property values."

"The human locusts come here seeking freebies"

"Doesn't matter if they are rich or poor. They spit continually, throw their paper and trash anywhere and everywhere, don't care about other peoples rights.

"Send the law breaking, disease carrying, America hating,goverment assistant stealing, law breaking illegal immagrants back to THEIR HOMELAND."


TOWNHALL BIGOTS AND RACISTS, PART III
PART III OF THE TOWNHALL BIGOTS AND RACISTS COMMENTS:

"Nuke mexico and start over down there."

"here, I'll just say it...I HATE MEXICANS
There, happy now? Yes, I do hate the mexicans around here in Utah. They are liars, dirty, nasty, germ ridden, law breaking, no english speaking, government money stealing, car jacking, 18 people to one PRIVATLY owned home, who cry racists anytime their little rug rats don't get their way."

"They have all but ruined schools, hospitals, day cares, headstart centers, not to mention ruined certain areas all over the USA."

"let's round them allmup, hey, we have done it before, and ship them off to differant countries around the world. Let's see how well these lazy, dirty, no good bastards are welcome there."


"Your right that she has become more pedistrian in her writings and I'll tell you why. The average Illegal Hispanic in this country has a 7th grade level of education at best according to research. So she has to say it plain and simple so the ones that get a translator (usually and ancor kid that speaks both languages) can translate it to them so these ignornant criminals can understand it."

"If Linda thinks Mexicans are so great, then why doesn't she move to Mexico?"

"DO have too many babies (paid for OTHER PEOPLES MONEY). DO bring in disease ( T.B. anyone????). ARE PRONE TO CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR,(look at the outstanding warrants in L.A. and Ca. prison population, MS13 gangs..). DO dumb down our schools, CHECK THE STATS, (2nd and 3rd generation aren't even advancing)."

Barno
Excellent posts. I've seen this bigotry toward the GLBT community, African Americans, and of course liberals. TH certainly has a strong element of bigots. Funny, sometimes TH feels like Stormfront or a meeting of the Council of Conservative Citizens.

Can Barno or Ralph define "bigotry?"
Methinks they are probably unable to do so . . . though I will grant that denigrating people on the basis of race or other ascribed heritage is, perhaps racist. But that is a different phenomenon altogether.

By the way, though I personally disapprove of prejudice (again, different from bigotry, but I suspect you guys are unable to handle fine distinctions), under our Constitution as it exists now people have a right to dislike whomever they hell they choose. But people like Barno and Ralph cannot understand this . . . it's just too much for them to get their brains around. Same with Ms. Chavez.

So as I sit here writing, studying Spanish and Chinese course notes (taking these languages out of respect for their cultures) and yet reading that we are bigots in this forum for believing in strong borders, it makes me even more clear that the Republican Party will likely not get my vote this November.

But if Barno and Ralph are so free in their thinking and advanced in their attitudes, surely they would not mind seeing Hillary or Obama elected President? Right? Because after all, as free thinking Americans we really don't have the right to have cultural preferences and tastes anymore . . . am I not write, sports?

Good Lord, time to get out of this series of postings. But easy fodder is just too hard to avoid at times.

Not gonna happen
No uniting. The Party of Lincoln is dead. R.I.P.

And the Grand Experiment of Jefferson, Madison and Adams is over. The next president will be a socialist. (Tempted to write "socialist totalitarian", but that'd be redundant.) The fight is lost. McCain does not believe in freedom and is so ignorant on economic matters that he cannot help but destroy the private sector. McCain, Obama and Clinton believe that they can mandate innovation and prosperity through legislation. Fools.

Whoever the next president is, America is over. He/she will move to lock in as much Big Government power as possible, and finally achieve that Stalinist Utopia that FDR so longed for.

Ph.D., J.D
Oh buddy!!!!! Nice try to avoid clear evidence of intolerance on your beloved site. As for the def., I like the one from the American Heritage Dictionary. Go look it up yourself.

I get the impression your share some of the same sentiments Barno quoted from. Funny how your came after us for pointing out your dirty laundry instead of criticizing those statements which are filled with hate.

Typical I guess.

Hang in there, Linda.
It's evident from comments about "culture" that the nativists in the GOP are NOT just concerned with the legality of the immigrants. (If they were, then they would support a path to legalization after the immigrants were made to pay a big debt to society, like any other criminals.)

The nativists are really concerned that their precious "culture" will be polluted by all those Latinos. What about Latinos who are already here, like Mel Martinez, Linda Chavez, America Ferrera, Jessica Alba, etc.? Anything wrong with *their* culture? No answer.

Linda, hang in there. The GOP cannot become a party of nativism and "White Anglo-Saxon culture" if it wants to survive in a diverse society. It would be tarred as a racist party.

So it's only a matter of time before the GOP gets a strong leader--possibly McCain, maybe someone else--who will lay down the law that racism and bigotry are NOT welcome in the GOP. Not now, not ever.

They threw out David Duke. They can throw out more if they have to.

Linda, take up knitting
"Politics is about winning elections, not winning prizes for ideological purity."
WRONG! Politics is about winning elections for the "prize" of advancing a pure ideology! That's why there are elections, Linda; constant compromise doesn't require them.
Linda, the Super Bowl was about winning just to win (although, I'll grant that the similarity is in the money); the politics of this nation has always been about the advancement of ideologies! They have never been advanced without the purity of thought and belief of the enthusiastic proponents.
Party platforms are meaningless; they no longer bind candidates and party office holders as they once did. To vote for a "party" is infantile, an act of the lazy, ill-informed, and weak....the act of a lemming, which Republicans are always tagged as by the left.
I'll vote my own way, Linda, and to Heck with all the "come together for the party" or "come together for the fear of a Hillary" or for any other gimmick thrown at me in order to have me once again "fall upon my sword" for the idiots who "lead" the GOP!
If it's not ideological; it's irrelevant.
No McVain, not now, not ever; I don't care how many "silver coins" he might throw out to induce Judases to follow him. Nor how many silver tongued demons (named Chavez or otherwise) he may send to the mountain top to tempt.













Speaking for myself
In what I see.
Having the knowledge that is all I can speak for, my children are grown.
Check out Barno, it works both ways with such accusations Linda, Barno, Ralph types make.
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dreadnaught writes: 6:08 PM
dear talent scout,

SCOUT, My friend,
You seem a fair-minded, honest conservative. Your cut/paste of Linda's remarks follows:

"Some people just don't like Mexicans -- or anyone else from south of the border. (snipped for limited characters)


most prominently, Lou Dobbs -- "
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dreadnaught writes:
What is it you find repugnant ? She speaks her mind; correct her if you can.
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ts:
Well for me she is the one who brings race into it.
Have you ever heard Dobbs say he does not like Mexicans?
Or any of the groups she has attacked?
All call for the law to be obeyed
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dreadnaught writes:
Remember, Linda Chavez says SOME PEOPLE, (snipped)they were hate-mongering without restraint to "arouse their conservative base," as they believed; because YES, the talk shows --most of all Lee Rodgers, who is a DEMAGOGUE, his clone Melany Morgan, and yeah Dobbsie --Fred C. Dobbs. These guys were rabble-rousers. It's true. The conservative voters didn't get to their fever pitch without all that raw RADIO meat.
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ts
You seem to be very angry
If Linda keeps up with her false charges of racism, she will fan the flames from many herself.
You do understand this is a double edged sword I hope.
Cuts both ways.
You cannot make charges of racism while being a racist, as so many do today.
The issue is the LAW for most of us, and for any other, let them speak for themselves what offends them most.
It is NOT Mexicans for the people she attacks.
Or you
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dreadnaught writes:
You question that ? Some people DO hate Mexicans. OR DO YOU DENY IT ?
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ts:
Mexicans can hate as well as Americans.
Stir it up if you and Linda want to, just not wise to do that.

remember McCain-Kennedy
" Politics is about winning elections, not winning prizes for ideological purity."

Got it. Sorry Linda, I will not prostitute myself by voting for a candidate who should for all practical purposes be running for President of Mexico. I am simply amazed that you would even expect people to vote for the co-author of the Comprehensive Amnesty bill, including the infamous No Felons Left Behind clause. McCain has never made any secret of his amnesty for all plans, yet you make no mention of this and upbraid those who refuse to support him. What is wrong with you?

talent scout
Speaking for me, myself, and I (LOL!!!) Your post showed nothing. Playing tit for tat instead of attacking the issue brought up by Barno seems rather cowardly.

Again, this is me, myself, and I speaking. LOL!!!

for Ph.D., J.D.
Ph.D., J.D. writes: "If that is the goal, why vote Republican unless we are dealing with a politics of power and nothing else? "

Consider this:

For years, there were pro-choice Republicans: Members of the GOP who were pro-choice on abortion. (Barry Goldwater's own wife founded the Arizona chapter of Planned Parenthood.) When the social conservatives took over, they kicked the pro-choicers out of power and told them to suck it up and remain Republicans for the good of the party.

And for the most part, they did. Giuliani did not leave the GOP despite his pro-choice stance.

Now why can't you nativists do the same with immigration?

You are NOT the first members of a political party to not get your way on a candidacy or a political issue. Those things happen. Most of the time, the Dems and Repubs nominate candidates who weren't the first choices of most voters. That's what happens when you have only two, roughly equally powerful, political parties.

You have to think very long and hard whether the issue is such a deal-breaker that you have no choice except leave the party. Because when you leave the party, you also forfeit any hope of changing the party's direction from the inside. If you leave, the McCain moderates will make sure you don't come back for a long time. Because then they won't owe you a thing.

Think about it.




My dear PhD
Please, don't start having your baby cow. I realize the calf would be born enlightened, trendy, coo-ull, and on it's way to a PhD; but I digress,

Let's clear the smoke. You're over-reacting to the laments of some good AMERICANS, whose own over-reaction has made them much louder and angrier than usual. In past days, they would've been quiet; as when they were routinely derided as Greasers, Beaners and "Pancho"; the friendliest of those old put-downs.

Yet; why waste our ammo against one another ? Now we are confronted with the enormous challenge of keeping Slick Willy & his wide-beamed Mama out of our country's ruling class. Maybe um paranoid; but I can hear their panting and groaning for their once polluted White House residence. It smells so intoxicating to Hillary that one night last week she actually began to cry on camera !

I have a fond desire to see her crying all the way home to Little Rock, after she loses her Senate seat (they detest losers in the Big Apple); with Bubba zoomed in on a new bimbo in the street. We shall all celebrate with champagne when it comes to pass. Then we'll drink a toast to our loveless new Commander-in-Chief. New direction, new shooter. Johnnie; we've hardly known you until now. Roll the dice !

Conviction v condemnation and accusation
Accusations at whole groups of people is designed to stir up anger, cause that is what cause's the accusation to be made.
Anger is what we got from Linda, and she took that anger out with wild eyed accusations.

She condemns groups of Americans to praise illegal immigration without naming it as such.

Never listening to the part that most Americans are very upset about already, an invasion from the nation to our south.
Not mentioning, not all of them are Mexicans to begin with, but just a shotgun slander at those of us who DEMAND our laws be respected, and OUR American Culture.
Which Linda finds as not worth defending with her rant.

Its a non starter for 70 percent of Americans to defend illegal immigration by slandering Americans.

We have heard it all before today, over and over and over and over again.

Brings no conviction, just anger right back at the accusers.
Speaking generally

you nativists?
Again, I just cannot resist the silliness. So I and the other Townhall regulars are nativists? Well gee, let's see -- my wife and I are adopting a child of another race, and from what I can tell it is Slick Willie and Hillary who are doing everything but calling Obama a N . . . . r in these primaries. But hush my mouth, there are folks out there who believe in the rule of law . . . My oh my . . . lions, tigers and bears . . . .

Oh Ralphie
Ralph Ellison writes: 7:04 PM
talent scout
Speaking for me, myself, and I (LOL!!!)
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ts:
giggle giggle
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Ralph Ellison writes:
Your post showed nothing. Playing tit for tat instead of attacking the issue brought up by Barno seems rather cowardly.
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ts:
Ralph, now its impossible to take you serious, so lets play games.
Are you inferring Barno has come here with some divine revelation to assign guilt?

He is not convincing Ralph.
I doubt he has heard from God.
If you think so, fine with me.
Again, this is me, myself, and I speaking. LOL!!!

Ralph, you're a Christian, right?
Want peace?
Then think this over how peace comes.

Jas 3:18 -
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

The opposite of the above is what Linda has done.


The fruit of unrighteousness is sown in anger of them that make war, hate, murder, and false accusations.

talent scout
I'm going to start calling you Vinny, in honor of top "talent scout" Vinny Cerrato. lol!!!!

Barno displayed direct quotes from many TH posters. Simple question, were the quotes bigoted, mean-spirited, and racist?


Vinny
"The fruit of unrighteousness is sown in anger of them that make war, hate, murder, and false accusations."

Thank you Pastor Vinny! I am a Christian, Lutheran exactly. What about love thy enemy Pastor? We forget about that?

Again, please answer my original question

Message to the Bigot-deniers
Ph.D., J.D, Talent Scout, etc..

Do you people actually believe that Linda Chavez "called anyone who believes in enforcing our borders
racists"? Because if you actually believe that is what she said, you have just outed yourselves as loonies.

I hardly see how saying that "10% of our population, at most, hold some racial animus" can be interpreted as saying "anyone who believes in enforcing our borders is racist."

First of all, Chavez made clear in her column that she did not pull the "10%" figure out of thin air. The number came from dozens of studies on racism in America over the past 20 years, which generally show that about 1 in 10 Americans holds some racial animus towards others.

But for you clowns to go screaming about how she called you "all" racists, well, that just tells us that you apparently look at yourselves as part of that 10% Chavez was talking about. When you go throwing a fit and acting like a 2 year old accusing Mrs. Chavez of being a "racist," it tells us much more about you than it tells us about Mrs. Chavez.





Linda Chavez
writes, "The bitter squabbling on the right over the presidential nomination has now entered a dangerous phase."

I don't normally do drive by posting. I like reading the columns and comments but, I am in a hurry. Just have to say, ooohh, I like danger. I have a little adrenaline junkie in me. Won't vote for McCain.

Everyone wants to be the DA
Just so they can bring charges against everyone they disagree with and angry with.

Here to bring judgment and conviction before the court of public opinion.

Accuse accuse accuse, and the one charged is hated if he defends himself from the accusations by their mental imaginations of being Americans District Attorney.
Chavez thinks she is Americas DA.
She has lots of junior DA's working her case for her too.

None of it will work for any good, only more anger.


Like this too:
quote:
speaking of Romney
"But I entered this race because I love America," he added. "And because I love America, in this time of war, I feel I have to stand aside for our country and our party."

Now the question is: will the hard-line anti-McCainites do the same?

What?
Love America or step aside? Or both?
Is there some question that if one will not vote for McCain he does not love America?

This is drawing a line where none need be drawn.

Ron Paul and Huckabee are still running.
One would never know that reading Linda.

I am now convinced due to the hate and false charges against Ron Paul I am going to vote for him.
Cause I love America and will not step out of McCains way.


talent scout, don't shout
"Its a non starter for 70 percent of Americans to defend illegal immigration by slandering Americans."

Come now. Nobody has "defended" illegal immigration. The bone that sticks in th throats of McCain-haters, is an idea that he is prepared to give illegals "amnesty," which the lot of you call shamnesty.

In fact, though you'r mad at Linda because she states the obvious: we Republicans must come back together. That's the entire gist of her article here. Instead of developing on that reasoanbe idea, various diehards here are determined to call Linda out and denigrate her even as a columnist; because you fancy she is an unabashed amnesty-tout. WHICH SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BE, IF SHE PLEASED.

But the title of this column is clear. Her role is that of a peacemaker; holding good Republicans to their common goals, and not one of trying to destroy John McCain. A number of you people have raised up the straw dog that, if Linda believes illegals can live amongst us, she isn't one of us conservatives.

That's hogwash. She is a rock-ribbed Republican conservative ! And a damn fine columnist for conservative causes. If she harbors some reasonable (in her opinion) thought with regards to justice for illegals, or an eventual agreement on amnesty, it's not against conservative values. Maybe it makes no sense to YOU, but she's within her rights to disagree with anybody in that matter. This is not a simple problem; we're not EVER going to have unanimous agreement about chasing away destitute people from this land. They are NOT animals or livestock that can be shipped where ever you please.

Ralphie, u understand group speak?
Ralph Ellison writes: 7:31 PM
talent scout
I'm going to start calling you Vinny, in honor of top "talent scout" Vinny Cerrato. lol!!!!

Barno displayed direct quotes from many TH posters. Simple question, were the quotes bigoted, mean-spirited, and racist?
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“April Fool's Day is nine days late,..........Teams are giving out false smoke signals all the time.”
Vinny Cerrato quote



ts:
Just exactly like Lindas rant
But she nor they speak for all of us at townhall, or republicans or Americans.

Did someone say this represents all of us as a group?
Seems I scanned over that one somewhere on this thread, maybe another.
I was not paying it much attention

Here is your peace maker Ralphie
Barno writes: 7:37 PM
Message to the Bigot-deniers
Ph.D., J.D, Talent Scout, etc..

Do you people actually believe that Linda Chavez "called anyone who believes in enforcing our borders
racists"? Because if you actually believe that is what she said, you have just outed yourselves as loonies.
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Yes I do believe it.
She called all of us that support the Minutemen and NumbersUSA, and she said that about Lou Dobbs, among many others like Republicans in Congress, etc.

Calling me a looney and bigot-denier is just as unhinged as who you accuse, hypocrite.

You smoke dope ?
See how easy it can be to be offensive?
It will not make peace, but anger, which is all you want to do anyway, and I am above your slanders as I am Linda's.


Vinny
You avoided answering my question. Typical. Continue your misguided/supremacist mission to purge America of all Latinos. Something tells me you won't get far.

Truly, there is a God.

Last one
Ralphie, the game is boring.

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Ralph Ellison writes: 7:36 PM
Vinny
"The fruit of unrighteousness is sown in anger of them that make war, hate, murder, and false accusations."

Thank you Pastor Vinny! I am a Christian, Lutheran exactly. What about love thy enemy Pastor? We forget about that?

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ts:
No Ralphie
I just find it impossible to cover your needs for the refreshing spirit of my wisdom in answering all your questions until they get asked.
Humble servant that I am, I have not forgot to love my enemy.

Nor to hate my mother and father as Jesus said to do.
Course, one really needs to study both sayings in its context.
So beinging up "love" for my enemies into this is a red herring.
I do not hate a single Mexican to date, I want the laws and culture of America respected.

Isn't that what you liberals are always preaching?
Respect others cultures?

Having lived in California and all over the Southwest, this would be a great message to preach to the illegal immigrants.


Bravo, Linda!!
She's absolutely right! And some of you are showing your true colors, and making me ashamed to call myself a conservative Republican. (For example, the genius who called Ms. Chavez "La Raza Linda". Cute....

La Raza
It shows you the real principles some of the folks on Townhall have if they truly do not like Linda Chavez.

Anyone that would ever mention "La Raza" and "Linda Chavez" in the same breath, obviously has no clue what he or she is talking about. La Raza has considered Linda Chavez Enemy Number 1 for years, since she has fought for conservative principles like assimilation, learning English through immersion instead of billingual education, and because Mrs. Chavez has led the fight against racial preferences for nearly 3 decades, because she believes the great conservative principle that no one should be treated any differently according to their skin color.

Chavez founded and is chairman of the Center for Equal Opportunity, which has been the leader in the fight against affirmative action in colleges and universities, forcing over 100 schools to change their racially exclusive programs and documenting the extent to which colleges and universities use race as a factor in admissions at over 60 schools. If you did not know that she is the conservative's hero in the fight against race-based public policy, then you simply don't know the issues.

And if you trash Linda Chavez, you are not a real conservative.

Who is Linda Chavez?
La Raza has considered Linda Chavez Enemy Number 1 for years, since she has fought for conservative principles like assimilation, learning English through immersion instead of billingual education, and because Mrs. Chavez has led the fight against racial preferences for nearly 3 decades, because she believes the great conservative principle that no one should be treated any differently according to their skin color.

Chavez founded and is chairman of the Center for Equal Opportunity, which has been the leader in the fight against affirmative action in colleges and universities, forcing over 100 schools to change their racially exclusive programs and documenting the extent to which colleges and universities use race as a factor in admissions at over 60 schools. If you did not know that she is the conservative's hero in the fight against race-based public policy, then you simply don't know the issues.

And if you trash Linda Chavez, you are not a real conservative.

Time to what?
That's funny, a column titled "Time to unite" from the woman whose every other column should be called "Time to urinate, again, on the right".

By the way, when these folks say "unite", they mean capitulate to the left and the country clubbers. Comprende?

Here is the real deal...
...if Juan McCain becomes El Presidente, many Senate Republicans will support his amnesty bill. If Obama or Clinton become President, Republican Senator's will oppose the idea of amnesty.

So, if you want to protect the sovereignty of the U.S. do not vote for el mavericko, Juan McCain.

JOHN MCCAIN NEEDS A HEARING AID


When I heard McCain's Hispanic Outreach guy was none other than Smiling Juan Hernandez, I knew John McCain has heard nothing we have had to say.


Smiling Juan Hernadez
We know who he is, we know his loyalties are to Mexico, we know he wants to erase our borders and immigration laws.

JOHN MCCAIN, YOU NEED A NEW HEARING AID

Smiling Juan Hernandez
In case you don't know him, he used to work for the Mexican govt., lately he has been shilling for "rights" for illegal aliens in this country. He has said he wants Mexicans to remain Mexicans even if they are living here. His loyalties are to Mexico, not U.S.



Questions for illegal alien apologists like John McCain:

Why does The National Council of the Race (la raza in spanish) and the Chamber of Commerce get to negotiate a "Comprehensive Shafting of The American Citizens" behind closed doors? Since when does an organization representing foreign nationals breaking our laws get to rewrite our immigration laws to suit the lawbreakers? Isn't this akin to allowing NAMBLA to rewrite our laws regarding child predators? Or allowing organized crime syndicates to rewrite racketeering, gambling, prostitution, and extortion laws?

We The People are being told by our representatives that we should sit down and shut up while they invite in the entire world. We The People should get some say in this matter. Another amnesty will set off a stampede like we have never seen before. There is not much time to save our country. All the money and power are on the side of shoving this amnesty down our throats. The RNC wants an amnesty candidate, don't vote for one.

Linda Chavez Supports Open Borders
Linda is for amnesty for illegal aliens.
McCain is for amnesty for illegal aliens.
I don't like either of them.
I'm NOT voting for McCain. He would achieve Jorge Bush's amnesty goals. I'm voting for Obama, if he's nominated. If not, I'll write in Tancredo.

McCain (D-lite) Will Lose
What's the likelihood of anyone who has been called names for wanting the gov't to actually enforce the laws, to vote for those jamming amnesty down our throats?

McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Leiberman. Leadership like this I can do without.

Carbon taxes, constitutional rights for Gitmo detainees and amnesty for illegal aliens await us no matter who wins, whoopee!!!

I will not participate in the dissolution of my country.


You simply CANNOT have national security if you will not defend your own borders or enforce your own laws. Foreign nationals numbering in the thousands are entering our country at will daily. John McCain has done and will do NOTHING to stop it. Don't believe me? Ask Juan Hernandez!

Unite??
McCain wants to unite... with the Democrat Party and Mexico.

McCain will beat Hillary...
... but will lose to Obama.

This is anecdotal information, but the emphatic passion of the sources has convinced me the sentiment is widespread.

I attend weekend golf outings twice a year with a particular group of friends. Three of them are dyed-in-the-wool Democrats and they know I am a conservative Republican because we have had numerous political debates over the years.

At our outing this past Fall all three of them approached me, separately, and said exactly the same thing: "You guys better nominate somebody good because there is no way I am going to vote for Hillary.

And so it has gone thus far in the primaries. White male Democrats, fearing a Hillary nomination, have been crossing over in droves to help McCain get the GOP nomination so there will be someone they can vote for in November.

Now that McCain is the presumptive GOP nominee we conservatives can imagine how these white male Democrats feel by imagining what we would do if we were voting in our state's primary tomorrow and Zell Miller was a contender for the Democrat nomination.

Many of us would cross over and vote in the Democrat primary for Zell Miller so we wouldn't have to choose between McCain and some abhorrent Democrat in November. That's what these white male Democrats have done, only in reverse.

So McCain will beat Hillary in Novemebr because of the massive anti-Hillary turnout, including from Democrats.

But if Obama is the nominee there will be a massive black turnout that will go 95%+ for Obama and the negative Hillary turnout won't happen. So Obama will win.

Chavez lacks principles
Like George Bush, Linda Chavez has no principles. Like McCan't, Linda Chavez has no principles.

True conservatives do not abandon the principles of "limited government" and "USA FIRST". Chavez, Bush and McCain have abandoned these principles.

In 2000, conservatives elected Bush due to our hatred of the corrupt Clinton regime. We knew Bush was not a conservative the second he called himself a "compassionate conservative". True conservatives are compassionate naturally, but labeling yourself such screams LIBERAL.

The result ... George Bush demolished the Republican party. He never pushed for IRS reform or national sales tax. He encourages the loss of our sovereignty by encouraging a flood of illegal aliens. Bush will cost us TRILLIONS of dollars with new welfare for illegals and African AIDS and a ton of other wasteful black holes.

The nation has rapidly degenerated under George Bush. For those thinking about voting for McCan't, just reflect back these 8 years and study what Bush DID NOT get done as well as study the BILLIONS of dollars he has thrown down the black holes of useless welfare dumps.

If you want to see the nation continue to move left at Warp Factor 9, vote for McCan't. It is time for a new conservative party. George Bush has destroyed Reagan's legacy and destroyed the Republican party to the point it is lost forever.

Let the Democrats destroy what is left of this once great nation. Perhaps, we can rebuild it with a "USA FIRST" agenda and a NEW party in four years. Only fools and brainless cheerleaders believe that voting for whoever is the Republican candidate is the thing to do.

Bush, McCan't and Linda Chavez have no principles--stand by yours and sit this election out.

Answer this, Linda Chavez
So Chavez says, "But surely most conservatives understand that their principles and values will advance a lot further under a President McCain than a President Clinton or Obama."

Tell us all, Chavez, exactly WHAT conservative principles and values have been advanced under the liberal Bush in the White House and the Liberal John McCan't in the Senate???

What?

What?

We have had the largest loss of our national identity and our sovereignty EVER! Bush has wasted more money than LBJ could ever dream of!

This idiotic statement here is only matched by your other "lack of principles" statement of, "Politics is about winning elections, not winning prizes for ideological purity."

Linda, you are a traitor to conservative principles. Now, you are begging us to lose our principles.

This nation is still made up of about 50% conservatives. It is people like you who have helped see to it that only about 1% of the Republicans in office are true conservatives.

If 50% of the nation would stick to their principles and vote conservative, then we would stop having only 1% conservatives in Washington.

Beg elsewhere, Linda. Conservatives have no need to read your crap.





Compromise the party of Lincoln
if Republicans had compromised about nominating Lincoln (and a lot of people threatened to walk if he was), where would we be?

Personally, I wish Lincoln had not been nominated. But, if the Republicans had compromised on their nomination, he wouldn't have been sitting in the White House when the Southern States seceded. Who knows what a professional compromiser would have done?

Yech. Now I need a shower, after semi-praising Lincoln.

Ph.D., J.D.
You, Sir (Ma'am?), are giving academicians and lawyers a good name!

Yes, the race-baiters (StevenL, Joe, Robert, et al)continue that "nativist" tripe.

It's sad these imposters don't believe in the "Rule of Law." But hey, they have a religion: Man-induced global warming!


Mis Directed Compassion
"In fact, what is wrong with showing Christian compassion and charity for illegal immigrants ? I mean the ones who worked like beasts to get establish (yes, illegally) and send the kids to school, buy a home, hold down menial jobs; and may have arrived here 20 years back, penniless? Now having gotten a break; because this truly IS a land of opportunity --?

NO1 Find them ! Curse them ! Drive em back to that hell they came from !"

Because they don't deserve compassion? Because they are harming my countrymen and me? What about the native born citizens who are willing to work like beasts to get established? I've known many, and at one time I was one. The problem is, this foreign trash (as in, those people discarded by their own society) will live like beasts and accept the pay like beasts because that's how it is in their own country, when they can find work.
But, more often than not, they will work as intelligently as beasts. But they are largely lazy, unclean and dishonest. They are largely the dregs of the society they fled. The only appeal they have is that, because they are illegal, all the rules, regulations and expenses employers have for legitimate workers (thanks to laws liberals passed through) are absent.

They didn't get a break; they stole it.

Don't drive them back to the hell they came from: drive them back to the hell THEY CREATED.


"You've ruined your own lands! You'll not ruin mine!"


Immigration Reform Is Dead For Now
Upland Patriot offers, "Here is the real deal...
...if Juan McCain becomes El Presidente, many Senate Republicans will support his amnesty bill. If Obama or Clinton become President, Republican Senator's will oppose the idea of amnesty."

The reason that the immigration bill did not pass was not because of the over-whelming opposition by Conservatives that this bill was amnesty.

Heck, if every Republican voted against it, alone, it would still have passed. We do not have enough votes to stop anything.

It failed because just as many on the Left voted against it because it was NOT AMNESTY! At least, that is how they saw it.

So, if you nutters think that a tougher immigration bill has a chance, you are more loopy than can be salvaged.

Bush tried to bowl this one right down the middle and the nutters, Left and Right, joined forces for diametrically opposite reasons and killed it. And, even more bizarre, both sides think that what America will accept is an even more polar position: the Left expects absolute amnesty and the Right expects absolute expulsion. Good luck with that.


jdw speaks for himself
It finally became crystal clear what motivated our pal jdw during the course of this Friday's posts. It's just pure, unabashed racial prejudice. Looking at his final rant, it's out in the open.

He only denigrates the conservative movement. Let's hope our radio talk icons are alerted, so they can see for themselves how evil the Right has allowed so many of us to act with complete impugnity. JDW is a total idiot and a flagrant racist who thinks the nation's electorate has to follow his lead and hate the poor folks of a 3rd world country; whether it's evil to HATE or not. May God be merciful to this crude man.
Thank God and our decent conservatives jdw isn't the norm. Thank you for unmasking, jd.

You don't speak for this country. You sure don't represent me, me or any good & upright American.

For myself, well-- I forgive you. I have to blame your upbringing, not you.

I'm proud now to say I support John McCain for the office of President of our United States. I don't praise him as a great example of conservative politics, but it makes no real difference today. He has to win office so we can keep the executive branch of our gov't Republican. And so the forces of Islamic hatred might be contained in some other place, without endangering our own people. McCain is the best man to follow up on the excellent work Geo W. Bush has so far accomplished for America.

To Linda Chavez, I for one congratulate her for the courage and wisdom she displays so splendidly in our national forum. Linda's a credit to the hispanic American community; and even more. She's shown herself to be brilliant in her chosen profession and a fine American. God bless you always, Linda. May He keep you from all harm and misfortune, and give to you the necessary grace to excel in your fine work.


Townhall.com's bigotry issues
I think we've all noticed there is an uptick in the types of racially charged comments being used on these boards against Latinos, and I for one and not gonna put up with it.

Just because you fools don't get it when it comes to the immigration issue, doesn't mean you have to demonstrate your stupidity at every turn. These comments calling Linda Chavez a "sp#c" only show the normal folks around here that you can't win any debate over the issues with her so you can only resort to name calling.

It's sad that the money grubbing fools on talk radio like Rush and Ann Coulter have brainwashed so many of you folks by exploiting your ignorance on the immigration issue. We need more immigrants you fools, not less. If we kicked out all these people who aren't here legally, who do you think will do those jobs? The economy will come crashing down...you fools just don't understand that stuff.


Mean Joe Green
How is it you object to the term "sp#c" yet you feel perfectly justified in calling conservatives "fools"...not once but FOUR times in one post?

Name calling is name calling, so first consider yourself stupid and ignorant before you label anyone else.

For example, I won't call you a moron for saying, "We need more immigrants [sic] you fools..." although my well-founded opinion is that we don't.

Republican party shanghai'd by lunatics
"Can't vote for McCain no how, no way", they croak.

It matters not if this means our troops are cut off and forced to surrender in Iraq.

It matters not if we're forced to endure 4-8 years of Billary back in the Oval Office.

What a selfish bunch of adolescent twits this conservative chattering class.

"It matters not if this means...."
"It matters not if this means our troops are cut off and forced to surrender in Iraq."

Someone actually believes that McCain will support the fight against Islamofascism?

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!

Fool
harmony writes: Saturday, February, 09, 2008 2:50 AM
Mean Joe Green
How is it you object to the term "sp#c" yet you feel perfectly justified in calling conservatives "fools"...not once but FOUR times in one post?

Name calling is name calling, so first consider yourself stupid and ignorant before you label anyone else.

For example, I won't call you a moron for saying, "We need more immigrants [sic] you fools..." although my well-founded opinion is that we don't.
-------------------------------------------------

First of all, the term "immigrants" was used appropriately and grammatically correct, and therefore your "[sic]" was a misuse.

Second of all, your attempt to equate me calling the bigots "fools" with the bigots calling Linda Chavez a "sp*c" would be laughable if it weren't so disgusting. There is no equivalent between those two terms. None.

Third, it appears you are a bigot-denier, just like many other fake "conservatives" on Townhall. You are no conservative. You may think you are, but you have no idea what conservativism is if you are bashing one of the brightest and most dedicated members of the conservative movement.

Like Barno said, if you bash Linda Chavez, you are not a conservative. That's a simple fact.

Another fool
RB writes: Saturday, February, 09, 2008 6:21 AM
"It matters not if this means...."
"It matters not if this means our troops are cut off and forced to surrender in Iraq."

Someone actually believes that McCain will support the fight against Islamofascism?

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!
------------------------------------------------

You must be a FOOL if you don't believe McCain will support the fight against Islamofascism.

It really is a shame that this once great conservative website has turned into a breeding ground for fools and bigots.

Time to Unite--Linda Chavez
How can we? If we really believe in conservative principles, how can we lay those ideas aside as though we don't believe them?

Will compromising with Mc Cain, in the long haul, (not just this election, but the next, and the future of the country) accomplish the principles that will make us strong? I say no.

Republicans must understand that if conserva-tives are to vote for the Republican candidate, that candidate must stand for the principles we stand for, or we'll vote for the one who repre-sents those ideas.


Principled Conservatives
I am a Republican of 45 years - longer than the "conservative movement" I keep reading the "principled" conservative statements and it has become very clear that even Lincoln wouldn't have been conservative enough for you. In fact, nobody is - you haven't backed anyone; only complained about everyone and, now, the Republican nominee. I am a Republican. I will vote Republican. Either you are a Republican or your not. It is just that simple.

Jackie on ....Principled Conservatives..
There is no other kind of Conservative Jackie :)

Thank you Jackie
This was very eloquently put.

Jackie writes: Saturday, February, 09, 2008 1:47 PM
Principled Conservatives
I am a Republican of 45 years - longer than the "conservative movement" I keep reading the "principled" conservative statements and it has become very clear that even Lincoln wouldn't have been conservative enough for you. In fact, nobody is - you haven't backed anyone; only complained about everyone and, now, the Republican nominee. I am a Republican. I will vote Republican. Either you are a Republican or your not. It is just that simple.

Mean Joe Green - I'm not
I'm not a Republican, I just voted that way because it was the lesser of two evils.

I am a conservative. I supported Tancredo whole-heartedly, and Hunter somewhat less.

I came partway, and was willing to support Romney even after I decided Hunter, Tancredo or Clinton.

But that wasn't good enough. The Republicans had to foist this lying, phony liberal on us. Fine. He's a Republican. You're a Republican.

I'm a conservative and I won't vote for your Republican. Makes me no worse than any Democrat.

Who da foo'?
"You must be a FOOL if you don't believe McCain will support the fight against Islamofascism."

You must be a FOOL if you think he will fight it competently.

Ooooh! we mustn't waterboard the wonderful, nice, fuzzy terrorists! OOoooh! We mustn't detain them away from our civilian population. Oooh, we must give them all the rights of citizens who haven't taken arms against the empire.

Just how the hell does he expect to win the War on Terror when he's not willing to hurt or insult the enemy??

Just what strategy does he expect to employ? The Pauline strategy of asking them nicely not to slaughter us if we adopt Sharia law?

Right, no equivalence
"Second of all, your attempt to equate me calling the bigots "fools" with the bigots calling Linda Chavez a "sp*c" would be laughable if it weren't so disgusting. There is no equivalent between those two terms. None. "

Calling someone "fool" is insulting them. Calling them sp*c is no different that calling them... say..."redneck." It's a slang term for an ethnicity, short for "hispanic".

The problem is, not all hispanics are w*tbacks.

And I used that term appropriately and grammatically correctly.

This country doesn't need more immigrants. It needs the civilian population to start having more babies and aborting fewer babies. It needs the education establishment to stop indoctrinating and resume educating. We allow a million foreigners a year to immigrate. That's enough.

But those on Chavez's side of the argument always want to equate "immigrants" with "illegal barbarian invaders". I can see why. Without that equation, you are revealed for the kind of people you are, when you support the illegal invasion of the barbarian hordes.

Oh, and btw
As anyone who's read on here knows..

I AM a bigot. Just like everyone else.

Doc W - Paul and the empire
"Let an anti-free-speech warmonger lead the Republicans to complete disaster. Then, people who believe in individual liberty at home and non-interventionism abroad (i.e. conservatism before its hijacking by the neocons) will get the chance to pick up the pieces and move forward."

In 45 BC, after a slow slide from its Republican roots, Rome had a consul who had been named Dictator for the prescribed 6 months, during an emergency.

He wanted it made Dictator for life. He had spent his personal wealth lavishly to gain support from the increasingly hedonistic and ignorant public.

In a last-minute desperate attempt to save the Republic, several Senators, including Cicero, attempted to assassinate him. When they did so, his nephew turned the publics misbegotten affection against them, and used it to vaunt into the saddle as Caesar Augustus, first Emperor of Rome.

It was around this period that Rome went from being a Republic to being an Empire. The form had been shaping up for centuries, as Rome expanded its territory. But its gov't and people had been repelled by the idea of empire, much like Americans today. So it was an empire in fact before it became an empire in name.

WWII was what vaulted the U.S. into an empire. But, since we were wrongly repulsed by the idea of empire, we made servants of our people to the world. We rebuilt without demanding reparation. We protected, without claiming territory.

At the end of WWII was the only time any nation in history could have become a true global empire, and we blew it. We rejected it.

Unfortunately, McCain is *not* a warmonger. And what we need at the head of the empire today *is* a warmonger. Someone not just willing, but anxious to take on Islam.

jdw & his history lesson

Quite the pedant; still bloviating:

"Calling them sp*c is no different that calling them... say..."redneck." It's a slang term for an ethnicity, short for "hispanic".

The problem is, not all hispanics are w*tbacks. And I used that term appropriately and grammatically correctly.

(Oh, sure. Professor.)

AND: This country doesn't need more immigrants. It needs the civilian population to start having more babies and aborting fewer babies. It needs the education establishment to stop indoctrinating and resume educating. We allow a million foreigners a year to immigrate. That's enough.

I see; STOP IT IMMEDIATELY

In another proof of his, he (He THOUGHT) cites an outbreak of LEPROSY ! --Man; he sees that for a Godsend !

"Though the carriers are legally here, their CULTURES don't seem to value staying under medical supervision, so now there is a potential epidemic. (But wait, those of us who oppose border control are racists . . . .) It seems he should have said "who propose" not oppose. Because, for some odd reason he thinks Linda and I support open borders (and we don't; we denpounce your actual prejudice against Mexico, --So, Holy SMOKE !
Though the "lepers" are legally here, their cultures don't seem to value staying under medical supervision," they're barbarians !

My, my. Your culture and theirs. Should we compare ?












our cultural preferences and tastes anymore . . . am I not write, sports?

JD, Linda didn't say:
To conclude, jdw:

Linda didn't say a word of this; but I do:

Look at the culture you think is supreme on the face of the earth:

Rampant drug traffic & addiction; abortion on demand, schooling that utterly fails our youth, materialism as an idolatrous norm, condoms for 9 year-olds and contraceptives for 11 year-old girls, dirty movies and CD lyrics selling in the gazillions.

And jdw lauds our CULTURE as opposed to the culture of peones coming here to take jobs in the lettuce patches and garlic fields ?

Linda; that Mexican culture sucks, don't you know ? JDW says it does. He has class, FYI. He's an adamant conservative.

Linda is like me: We FORGIVE jd, as a matter of conscience. (Even though he busts my balls !)





Our stand is on principle . . .
Linda Chavez is typical of MSM interpretation of the conservatives objection to McCain - total ignorance. It is a cheap shot to ask conservatives for support of "Tax and Spend McCain" on the basis of loyalty. It is a principle of accountability to examine McCain's record and see if there is common ground.

Also, like the MSM, Linda Chavez assumes that people should support a veteran "hero". Randy Cunningham would be our candidate if the conservatives were just looking for a hero. NO, conservative are looking for inspired leadership - a quality not demonstrated by John McCain.

There is no "bitter squabbling" among conservatives. There will be discipline. The last moderate to make a "bold faced lie" to the conservatives was "H" - read my lips. Just as a parent has to discipline a wayward child, conservatives did to "H" what the democrats never do - punish the offender in an appropriate manner.

Winning elections when principles are abandon, is is simply fiddling with a more expensive violin while Rome burns.

This year, the Republican party appears to be willing to surrender every thing but Iraq policy to the democrats.

THERE WILL BE DISCIPLINE.

D-lite - No Way
I am distraught that my party has spent my grandchildren into bankruptcy! I am so sad that a smart woman and leader like Mrs. Chavez can write an article like this. America deserves what it is going to get - sadly.

I'll support Huckabee (like I did Alan Keyes) with all my heart and power. If McCain wins I cry and then let God discipline us harshly for our stupidity, greed, and laziness.

Illegal immigrants, abortion, our failing public schools, our failure to protect private property, our desire to be cared for rather than care for ourselves - these are killing us and our leaders (like Linda Chavez) ask us to "get along" rather than hold the banner and vision for truth.

We must fight to our last breath for our freedom!

JD is a bigot
"This country doesn't need more immigrants." -jdw

But wait I thought you guys said it was about "rule of law"!?!

Turns out it isn't about rule of law after all now is it?

You don't care if they are legal or illegal, you just want less of them.

Why don't you stop pretending it has to do with
"protecting the border" or "enforcing the law," since we now know what the real reason is!

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