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Friday, September 28, 2007
Linda Chavez :: Townhall.com Columnist
Border Wars
by Linda Chavez
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Republicans need all the votes they can get next November if they are to have any hope of retaining the White House and winning back control of Congress. But one group of voters -- among whom the GOP has gained considerable ground over the last few elections -- now seems about to slip away, perhaps permanently.

Hispanic voters are poised to turn several red states blue come 2008, virtually guaranteeing a Democratic presidential victory and a pickup in congressional seats as well, according to a new analysis of Hispanic voting behavior. "Border Wars: The Impact of Immigration on the Latino Vote," released by the conservative group Americas Majority Foundation, demonstrates that congressional Republicans' ham-handed approach to immigration will cost them dearly at the polls.

Richard Nadler, the study's author, analyzed 2006 voting patterns in 145 Hispanic precincts or voting blocs in three congressional districts in the Southwest. In each district, candidates who favored an enforcement-only approach faced opponents who favored comprehensive immigration reform, including a guest worker program and a path to legalization for illegal aliens. Nadler found that the enforcement-only approach significantly eroded support for the Republican candidates among Hispanic voters from their 2004 levels, and in each case the Republican lost the seat.

In Arizona's 5th district, six-term GOP incumbent Rep. J.D. Hayworth actually switched positions on immigration from being a sponsor of guest worker legislation to becoming one of the most outspoken opponents of immigration, even advocating a moratorium on legal immigration from Mexico. In 2004, Hayworth received almost as many Hispanic votes as his Democrat opponent, with each receiving about 48 percent; but in 2006, Hayworth lost 59-36 percent in Hispanic precincts.

In the 8th district of Arizona, a pro-comprehensive reform Republican, incumbent Jim Kolbe, retired, and the Republican nominee, Randy Graf, made illegal immigration the centerpiece of his campaign. In 2004, Rep. Kolbe won almost 43 percent of the vote in Hispanic precincts. In 2006, Graf won barely 18 percent of those precincts' votes -- and Republicans lost the election 54-42 percent.

Perhaps most illuminating of all, Nadler's analysis of Texas' 23rd district shows how divisive the immigration issue can be even when the Republican candidate is Hispanic. Henry Bonilla, a seven-term incumbent, was defeated in 2006 after redistricting produced a more heavily Hispanic and Democratic district. Nadler's analysis showed that even in those heavily Hispanic counties included within district lines in both 2004 and 2006, Bonilla lost ground, winning 59 percent of the vote in those Hispanic precincts in 2004 but only 30 percent in 2006. Nadler attributes the erosion in support among Hispanics to Bonilla's support for an amendment to impose criminal penalties on illegal aliens.

Nadler predicts that an enforcement-only approach to immigration will cause Republicans serious problems in 2008. Extrapolating from his Hispanic precincts study, Nadler projects that, all other factors being equal, Latino voters alone could cost the GOP presidential candidate the election if their turnout increased equal to their percentage of eligible voters.

Hispanics represent about 15 percent of the population, but only about 8 percent of voting-age citizens, and barely 6 percent of those persons who actually voted in the 2004 election. But Democrats could easily target Hispanic voters and significantly increase their numbers, just as they have blacks in previous elections, increasing their turnout between 2000 and 2004 from 10 to 12 percent of all votes cast.

But all is not lost for Republicans -- if they manage to stake out more moderate ground on immigration. A number of Republicans did just fine among Hispanic voters, even if they favored some tough approaches to illegal aliens.

Rep. Steve Pearce of New Mexico's 2nd district, the most heavily Hispanic district (47 percent) in the most heavily Hispanic state (42 percent) in the nation, actually increased his support slightly among Hispanic voters between 2004 and 2006 (from 39.5 percent to 40.1 percent) even though he advocated deporting criminal aliens, building 700 additional miles of fencing along the Mexican border and creating more secure identification cards. But Rep. Pearce also supported comprehensive reform and opposed criminal penalties against illegal aliens, and he voted against an amendment that would have required mass deportation of recently arrived illegal aliens.

Other Republicans who supported comprehensive reform also did fine, including Rep. Heather Wilson in New Mexico's 1st district and Rep. Jeff Flake in Arizona's 6th district. Flake won 75 percent of the vote in heavily Hispanic precincts in 2006.

The Republican presidential hopefuls would do well to follow Nadler's advice as they craft their message in the upcoming primaries: "Participants . . . needn't like this conclusion. But they better understand it."

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Linda Chavez is chairman of the Center for Equal Opportunity and author of Betrayal: How Union Bosses Shake Down Their Members and Corrupt American Politics .

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Wow! she managed not to call us racists
For a race baiter like Chavez it must have taken considerable tongue biting not to call principled Republicans who want our immigration laws enforced, "racists" as she has in the past.

But it is clear that Linda puts power over principle.

If Republican politicians are so quick to abandon principle in favor of hispandering then I really don't care if they win or not. The whole point of voting for Republicans is because they are suppossed to be "the Party of Principle".

But Linda apparently doesn't understand that and wishes the rest of us would forget it. Yet another "one check mark" for Linda.

consider Linda's own stats
Oddly, Linda Chavez makes a point I would make on the other side. She says that hispanics (legal?) are 8% of the voting-age population, but represented barely 6% of actual voters in 2004. What she does NOT say is that if we soon give up to 20 million mostly poor, uneducated ILLEGALS the vote (which would not even require citizenship first!... they are voting in many places), THEY will vote 90%+ for leftist, entitlement government! Shrillary and the left KNOW this! Ergo, it would soon become HOPELESS to stop the ILLEGAL invasion and the morphing of America into a third world barrio-- Mexico Norte. We already have Mexifornia. Ironically, that us just what these wretched, deprived people (plagued by plutocratic minorities of elites in Latin America) seek to escape!

Time is CRITICAL folks!!! See how to join the fight to save America from myopic self-destruction at my posts just below. There is no "cheap labor"... their all-in costs to America will be CATASTROPHIC. Assimilation is NOT their goal, NOR should it be OURS. Today's America (an advanced service economy) CANNOT absorb an endless tsunami of the ignorant, culturally disparate, indigent ILLEGALS.

AKAGI
So I'm a little dislexic. You going to hold that against me?

Agaki
Just incase you are still here, I've been to 7 different european countries, 3 different central and south American countries and Republic of Viet Nam. Oh, I forgot Canada and Mexico. How about you? Gee, sorry thats a little more than the one you suspected me of.

correction
I don't want any who love The U.S.A. less than a foreign country here.

Agaki
Since you prefer Taichung over the U.S.A. I will more than gladly take up a collection to send you there as I don't want any but people who love the U.S. less than a foreign country here. I'm sure the kind TH posters would be generous enough to fund your trip as long as it's one way.

Really?
Thasic:

Really and how many countries have you lived in so you can draw such a conclusion? How many countries have you even visited? I bet we shall find the answer is 1. A pretty small sample size wouldn't you say?

The US ranks #8 under what one could call a standard of living. I suppose #1-7 might compare favorably, wouldn't you suggest?

And then showing what a brilliant mind you possess there is the "Love it or leave it" or as you said it so dimplomatically "Get the F out of my country." How very interesting, you're a true vulgarian aren't you? You know that makes you look like a complete idiot, right?

Wasn't it Samuel Johnson that said that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel?

And no--I make no claims that the US is my country, my loyalty lies elsewhere. But that being said as I said in an earlier post I take an apathetic view toward the US—I wish it no ill will. And since we are on this subject--I am not aware that I have given the country of my residence or citizenship for that matter. Although I suppose you could make some assumptions based on earlier posts on this blog.

Myths
Wiseone:

Our immigration law must serve "We the People" of the United States. Not the people of Mexico.

We have the highest standard of living in the world. People from all over the planet want to come here. This does not obligate us to accept all who want to come. Quite the opposite. It obligates us to accept only those we can accommodate and only those who wish to become part of our melting pot; who wish to contribute, to naturalize as Americans and assimilate.

Your experiencs with INS is of no relevance to the issue. It enables you to better understand why and how illegals are here, but the issue is whether illegals should be here, not how to help them get here.


Never made the point that the US is obligated to accommodate anyone, Mexicans or others. My point is that those saying "If they would just come here legally" miss the point that for most of the illegals--the vast majority in fact there is no way for them to come to the US legally. So brining up "if they would just come here legally" is simplistic to the point of being moronic.

US immigration law is to serve the needs of the USA--on this we agree. Many would argue that the current US law doesn't in fact do this, but that is a debate for another time.

And the US doesn't in fact have the highest standard of living in the world. The United States ranks #8.



Immigration Law
Savage99:

The current US Immigration Law has been in place since basically 1990, and before that it was redone in 1986 and before that in 1965 and before that in 1942.

For example, between 1882 and 1942, immigration from China was set at zero. Until 1942, it was impossible for a Chinese to ever become a US citizen through naturalization. And in 1942, the Chinese quota was set at 50 if I recall.

At the same time, European immigration was basically open borders unless you were a carrier of some type of sickness, a known criminal, etc.

This is not the case today. Your claim should be you want US immigration law enforced as it exists today.

Boy Howdy!
Looks like you all took care of her before I even read the column.

One check, move on.

losing America for amigos
Trying to put lipstick on this pig in a poke, Linda brays again trying vainly to convince us to embrace "our amigos." HER heritage means more to her than AMERICA's socio-economic well-being, culture and heritage. Even she admits that hispanics were just 6% of the vote in 2004. Further, across the country where the ILLEGAL invasion was a key issue in 2006, advocates of enforcement usually won. BUT if we let the left make voters of millions more of uneducated, indigent, culturally disparate ILLEGALS, they will vote in lock step for big entitlement govt., and the demise of America would soon be assured as they invited sus familias to come.

LEGAL hispanics in Az. (where the problem of the ILLEGAL tsunami is most acute) voted almost 50% for tough new anti-ILLEGAL state laws in 2006 because they also realize that America MUST NOT TOLERATE an unbridled hemorrhage of the uneducated indigent who inexorably bring and pervade pandemic social pathologies. See how you can join the fight to save America before it is too late just below.

the attrition solution
I agree that we COULD make ILLEGALS leave via attrition PROVIDED THAT our pols are made to realize that > 70% of Americans want them to leave and get in line properly:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/immigration_bill_failure_proves_rasmussen_s_first_law_of_politics

The key to this is CLEARLY demonstrating to ILLEGALS that we intend to enforce EXISTING laws--> no licenses, no jobs, no welfare, no social services, no college tuition UNLESS you can prove that you have a legal right to be visiting. We need to crack down on expired visas.

Then they would return at THEIR expense-- the same way they got here. BUT the pols must first reverse the message they are sending. Presidente Jorge Bush, Sanctuary City Rudy, and other RINOS wink at them after they pretend to favor enforcement. If we let the left make voters of the 20 million uneducated ILLEGALS, it is OVER for America-- we will inexorably rapidly morph into a third world entitlement state.

America just won a small victory
The innocuous-sounding "Dream Act" went down this week on Congress. As with the Scamnesty Bill in June, Middle Americans just like YOU nailed this blasphemy by barraging Congress (see how at my earlier post just below). This "Nightmare Act" ploy from the left would have rewarded ILLEGALS with citizenship for a mere 2 years in the army. Did you know that ILLEGALS can get in-state college tuition and scholarship $ that your child cannot get in neighboring states?

Folks, the left cannot wait to make 20 million ILLEGALS voters (with an endless multitude of yet more uneducated, indigent and culturally disparate to follow) to assure the permanent monster entitlement big govt. state for the liberal elites to reign over. RINOS like Sanctuary City Rudy are as bad as Quisling-In-Chief Presidente Jorge in wanting to embrace the Reconquista for myopic, self-serving reasons. JOIN THE FIGHT TO SAVE AMERICA NOW! See how just below. We are in a struggle for our very survival, and the big $, organization and power favor the selfish few special interests lined up against Middle America. America would be a terrible thing to waste.

the insidious threat of ILLEGALS
It will be irrelevant if we prevail over the hostile Islamics but lose our heritage, culture, and socio-economic well-being to the ILLEGAL alien invasion/Reconquista. The threat is pernicious and the stakes are critical. ILLEGALS are NOT cheap labor-- their all-in costs are staggering. (see research below) The left KNOWS they will vote for big entitlement govt., which will become permanent. The RINOS (e.g., Presidente Jorge Bush and Sanctuary City Rudy) are so myopic that they foolishly imagine they can win some of the ILLEGALS' vote due to their alleged conservative social values. What is "conservative" about rampant illegitimacy, identity fraud, welfare cheating, tax dodging, and gang, drug, ghetto and crime permeation?!

Join the fight NOW to save YOUR country... Numbers USA makes it easy. Also, it is simple to contact your people in Congress; bookmark the site and rattle their cages! People just like you won a battle and stopped total Scamnesty in June, but the war goes on.

http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

to learn more:
http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
http://www.grassfire.org/
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchd74c
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965
http://www.libertygunrights.com/NAUFactSheet.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=immigration
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research9605
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters0b9c
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051502022.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTUyZjY3NzExYjIxODU0NmVmYWE4MTAxNTZlOWJkNDk=

Racist chavez
why is this bigot still here? How many 1 star columns will it take before this racist pos is canned?

Akagi...
...up to that last post, I was at least, understanding, if not agreeing with you, but, there is no (allow me to repeat for clarification) NO place one can go, on the face of this planet, that even remotely compares to the US of A. If you, in the warped recesses of your deranged mind, truly believe otherwise, then here is an invitation. GET. THE. F*CH. OUT. OF. MY. COUNTRY. You may have been born here too, but it obviuosly is not your country. Creep.

No Akagi, it is you who miss the point
Everything you argue stems from the same flawed assumption; that because some Mexican(s) desires to come here we are obligated to accommodate him/her.

I did not argue that they are all able to come here legally. I argued that if they are unable to come here legally they are unable to come. Period.

Our immigration law must serve "We the People" of the United States. Not the people of Mexico.

We have the highest standard of living in the world. People from all over the planet want to come here. This does not obligate us to accept all who want to come. Quite the opposite. It obligates us to accept only those we can accommodate and only those who wish to become part of our melting pot; who wish to contribute, to naturalize as Americans and assimilate.

Your experiencs with INS is of no relevance to the issue. It enables you to better understand why and how illegals are here, but the issue is whether illegals should be here, not how to help them get here.

Beyond Comprehension
From the article:

"Hispanic voters are poised to turn several red states blue come 2008, virtually guaranteeing a Democratic presidential victory and a pickup in congressional seats as well, according to a new analysis of Hispanic voting behavior. "Border Wars: The Impact of Immigration on the Latino Vote," released by the conservative group Americas Majority Foundation, demonstrates that congressional Republicans' ham-handed approach to immigration will cost them dearly at the polls."

This is one area where I am absolutely incensed that the Republicans "let ride" for so long. IF they had taken care of this problem early on - pursue and deport the illegals; put a rush on the fence; hire more border patrol; instituted a committee to tend strictly to identity theft; and put the financial hurt on any sanctuary wherever and whatever it was - then we wouldn't have to be afraid of losing the White House to the likes of Hellory Ramrod, the corruption queen.

But as it is, I'm afraid Chavez is right! As much as I despise the leftwing lunatic lugnuts that inhabit the Demoncrap party; you could say that I feel just about the same way about the Repubs. They've become gutless and worthless and are only lesser in corruption by the Dems because they do try to clean their own house. But, that doesn't stiffen their spines any. I hate to say this but as the Dems are corrupt and evil in many ways, the Repubs are spineless and toothless and chickensh!t!

No wonder voting is down; everybody is disenchanted with the political pimps running this country.

BUT, I'M TELLING YOU THIS, IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR BUTTS TO THE POLLS IN '08 AND RAMROD GETS IN, YOU'VE ONLY YOURSELVES TO BLAME!

What a moron!!!
Linda Chavez is so dumb that she doesn't even know the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL! She leaves me (almost) speechless!!!!!!!!!!!!

You do not leave any doubt
SteveL, that there is any value your hold higher than pandering.

No longer a white Christian country
Regardless of your stand on illegal immigration, the GOP must find some way to appeal to legal Hispanic voters.

That means actively campaigning in heavily Hispanic districts with a message that might appeal to them.

But that's not what is happening.

The GOP isn't just opposed to illegal immigration. It has stopped reaching out to the Hispanic community altogether. How many campaign stops have the GOP candidates made in Hispanic areas? Any at all?

The GOP cannot remain a party whose main appeal is solely to hetero white Christians. In the 21st century, hetero white Christians ar going to be less than 50% of the electorate eventually, given the demographic trends.

Nixon and Reagan won their respective elections because they reached out beyond the usual WASP country-club Republicans to attract urban ethnics like Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans, who used to vote heavily Democratic. Reagan even captured some 40% of the Jewish vote, which also used to vote heavily Democratic.

In the 21st century, the new ethnics are Hispanics. Hispanics are the fastest-growing ethnic voting bloc in America, even if you ignore all the illegal aliens. Write them off, and the GOP cannot win national elections much longer.

Chavez promotes anarchy
She has become a criminal minded preacher of anarchy, a disgusting little racist.

Charlie said what I was thinking while reading Linda's appeal for lawlessness.
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charlie writes: Friday, September, 28, 2007 11:56 AM
To ALL the racists
I'm going to say this. If we are to divide this nation along racists voting lines, then I can only hope that Caucasians wake up and start to vote that way as well.
If Linda Chavez, and the rest of the "let's look at everything through race colored glasses" desire a USA represented along racial lines, then right now (and if that majority gets as serious as the Linda Chavezes and Al Sharptons) the Caucasian majority in voting would displace more seated Congressional members from minorities than those minorities would gain!
BUT, if the Linda Chavezes of the world want a politcal USA of a Hispanic Party, a Black Party, and White Party, etc instead of Democrat, Republican, etc....then I say let it come NOW! Because if we really are not Americans, but a nation of self-interested races, then we need to get to the dividing now, period. AND Caucasians need to get just a united and vehement about their "take" as all the rest!
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Best advice I have seen, cause the racists like sharpton and chavez will never support the laws over their racism

Paco Paco
This America firster is NOT bashing Hispanics. I call for enforcement of the immigration laws that stood this country in good stead for 200 years. I don't give a rat's rear about the ethnic background of any illegal alien. We need controlled immigration, engineers and doctors if we can get them, fruit pickers if we need them. I favor alien worker programs of which there are quite a few. I do not favor people coming in on those programs and then disappearing into the black economy, using false documents, placing illegal burdens on our amelioritive institutions, and in general injuring those law-abiding immigrants who played the game like my grand parents did. Would you be so eager to defend the illegal aliens among us if they were all Nigerian? If not, you are making your decisions based on race. And what would that make you?

Paco

People don't hate illegal aliens individually. They hate illegal immigration.

It is true the liberals will try to spin our objections to illegal immigration as "they hate you!!" Thus, conservatives need to explain in a clear, logical, and loud voice to ALL Americans, especially those of Hispanic descent how illegal immigration is hurting our country.

Of course, getting that message through our liberal dominated media isn't easy.

I will add that conservatives should be making the case LOUDER and CLEARER to the African-American community that illegal immigration is a far greater detriment to them than it is to other segments of the population.

Unfortunately, the leaders of the Republican party are completely out of touch with the people. Likewise, Linda is way off base.

Comment from USA article....
"My husband is a citizen in the U.S. from Guatemala, When he first applied for Alien Resident, he had to get a Visa and come to the U.S. and do all the paperwork and pay all the money, then he went back to Guatemala and waited 2 years, upon recieving his Alien Resident Card, he was able to come back and work, after having this card for 10 years, he then applied for a Perminent Resident Card, payed all the money and again waited, now he is a Citizen with his own Home Remodeling Business, at first he did really well but in the last year, his business has suffered because he says as low as he can go on prices, he cannot under bid the illegals prices, and the reason their prices are so cheap is because they contribute nothing to the economy, they do not pay taxes, they do not pay for insurance, they do not get bonded, and they live 20 people to a house or an apartment, so therefore the people who did it right are the people who are suffering along with the American Citizens. We are also glad to see them go."

It would appear that legal immigrants are fed-up!

Stop worrying about the Hispanic vote and start worrying about the "American" vote if the illegal alien pandering continues. There has not been an issue in recent memory that the American people so overwhelmingly opposed!!

BUSH
Has showed us, he is no real republican, he is a gobalist and as such wants cheap labor. That is why I think he will never secure the border and THEN wants crap like this Law of the Sea Treaty or LOST as it has come to be called. I am telling you now folks be you liberal, democrat, or Republican, you do not want this law passed and even less you not want the UN in charge of it! I URGE ALL of you to study up on this and start blasting DC with your thoughts on it. You think you pay a lot for a gallon of gas now, just wait until the UN adds their tax to it


HUNTER 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com

Derek Leaberry
My point is that GOP lost Hispanic support back in 2006 and the trends are almost null for 2008 GOP's candidates.

The continued bashing of Hispanics will be a significant contributor to socialists’ victory in 2008.

Now, whom you want to blame for having Bill Clinton as the First Gentleman?

I sense too much negativity against Hispanics, all that is going to accomplish is to galvanize Hispanics even more against the GOP and definitively against Conservatives.

This time, to all¹ of the haters and xenophobes, who is going to be the escape goat for our failure in defeating the Clintons?


¹This is directed to those with such low and negative views toward the largest minority group in America. Blacks are just a trailing 2nd largest minority that could fall to 3rd place in 2 or 3 more generations.

I thought this was a conservative site
TH why do you allow such articles? I don't mind a difference of opinion, but the articles from this author? are not even well thought out and accurate(factual).

It's simple really...
All that Republicans need to do is a) let all the illegals stay, b) stop trying to deport them, even those committing violent crimes c)stop harassing businesses, and most importantly, d) offer them tons of money in the way of schooling, free and reduced lunch, social security, scholarships, and various other entitlement programs or subsidies.

Oh, wait a minute, that kind of "buying votes" is the practice of Democrats. That kind of thinking is what conservatives DETEST!

We believe in security and strength. We believe in the rule of law. We believe that you don't rob your neighbor to gain influence.

Sorry Linda!!

Instead of Hispandering, we should be educating the LEGAL IMMIGRANTS about how mass illegal immigration is a huge detriment to our country...BECAUSE IT IS!!!

Why can't you see that? Where in the world are you? Haven't you read the police blotters? Haven't you seen the overcrowded and closed hospitals?

Greg
Well--if TH could tell the difference between 1970 and 2000 then Part II in that case would not have been required. And you--if I recall--made the claim I didn't support tough immigration enforcement--you're the idiot that asked for it and you got what you asked for.


Part I and II
Akagi Part I - You seem to have an answer for everything.

Akagi Part II - We do not need part two of anything you have to say.





Eastlake
Add you'd be wrong, Eastlake.

I and everyone I know is either a US citizen or legally in the US (or legally outside the US). And I know this will crush your sense of being special--but there is at least one country that I do prefer over the US and by and large unless you live in say Iraq or Sudan or North Korea, etc--most advanced democracies are pretty much as good as any other.

The US is no doubt superior in somethings and in some cases it is not. For example, where would you rather be walking alone at 4 a.m.--a rundown area of a major US city--say SW Atlanta or say an industrial area of say Taichung? Of course, in Taichung you won't be living on a 1/2 acre lot either.

But as for which I'd want to be walking alone at 4 a.m., I'd pick Taichung (and you know deep down you would too).

For all the super patriots out there--this post is not meant to spark a fight on how great (or how bad) the USA is--I plan to restrict my remarks here to immigration and/or the immigration policies of the GOP on its electoral chances.

Thank you.

No--Idiots--Part II
Continued--my word count was 1970, but TH disagreed.

6) Either by law or by amendment, end of the practice of citizenship by jus soli; no state would be required to offer public education to any person inside the US illegally

7) Only medical care provided on behalf of the state to illegals would be to save the life of the alien or to protect the public at large.

8) Any state or local government that withheld immigration information from Federal law enforcement would lose all DOHS funding.

9) Illegals found inside the US would have no access to the US courts and could be deported summarily. That sound soft to you?

No--idiots--Part I
Greg:

While my response was specifically to you--it was directed to a number of others as well--thus the plural.

And the government has gone beyond simply not locking the door--it has turned a willful blind eye so powerful economic interests could benefit. The government has been a willful co-conspirator.

Now as for my stance on immigration I will repost it for you as I have posted it before on TH.

1) A secure border, which would include actual barriers, virtual barriers, and a paramilitary force under the DOHS to guard the border against illegal entry.

2) All US citizens, legal residents and non-immigrants allowed to work in the US would be issued biometric based cards to prove they are allowed to work in the US.

3) Employers caught hiring illegals would face draconian fines, say $100,000 per illegal for the first offense; second offense, the fines would rise to $1,000,000 per alien, those who were guilty of the hiring would have their personal assets seized and sent to prison, if convicted for a term of no less than five years. The company would also be seized.

4) Those renting or selling property would have to make a good faith attempt to see that their buyer/renter was in the country legally

5) Those selling cars would have to ensure that the drivers had a valid license; only legal residents (citizens, alien residents and legal non-immigrants could acquire a driver's license in the US).


Agaki
All I can say to you is the same I've said to a couple of others with your outlook and thouhgt process. If you think it's so bad here, go somewhere else where they have the exact conditions you seek. Of course good luck in that!

Agaki
Lets put it this way, according to the constitution, I am not an immigrant. IE. I was Born here to natural born parents on both side. I don't care where your people came from at all as long as they aren't illegal -are they? that would explain a lot of your thinking.

English as a Second Language
Akagi - That would be "idiot" as in the singular tense smart guy. Yea, you appear to be real tough on illegal immigration as you cannot stop critizing this government for this problem. Alan Combs has a spot for you on his web site. Why don't you go there now.

Oh and Greg
The term "Third World" has been pretty much abandoned since the implosion of the USSR and the extinction of the "Second World."

The terms usually applied are the developing world, the underdeveloped world or "the south."

And even using your ancient parlace, Mexico would be considered an NIC (Newly Industralized Country) not a Third World Country just as Taiwan and the Republic of Korea were in the early 1980s.

Other "new" NICs would include Brazil and China.

Kindness
We understand our government is culpable for creating this illegal alien nightmare here in this country.

However, blaming the United States makes as much sense as going into court and arguing that my client was justified in stealing money from the bank because the bank forgot to lock the door before going home. Yes the bank was negligent but that does not minimize or justify the behavior of the thief .

It takes a predisposition to criminal behavior to take advantage of another countries inefficiencies and weaknesses, which in the case of the Unites States, just so happens to be kindness.


Idiots
Greg:

And if you look at the numbers more closely, you'll see that most of those that are uninsured do so of their own free will, not because they are poor--see John Stossel et al.

And no neither can be considered economic freefall. I am going to assume you are simply engaging in hyperbole, otherwise, you have no clue what economic freefall is--think Indonesia circa 1998.

And actually I am very tough on illegal immigration. And please point out to where I have said the US has unfair immigration policies? Can you read? I simply correctly pointed out that saying "we just want them to follow the law" is simplistic and doesn't match with reality.

And I am not anti-US--I am apathetic toward the US actually.


Who is at fault?
Eastlake:

If there were internal enforcement, the creation of a real national ID card, and real border security, then you'd see much more leaving.

So who is at fault for not doing this? The same incompetent government that can't even issue passports in a timely manner--even the most broken, backwards, banana republic can at least issue passports in a reasonable amount of time. And you expect this government to do something that is actually difficult, like enforcing it's immigration laws?




Wrong Again
Agaki claims:

"While prison costs and hospital issues are indeed serious, neither can be seen as an economic freefall as your previous post implied."

We have 40 million plus in the country without insurance and yet the burden the illegal places on this crises does not arise to an economic "economic freefall."

Our prisons our filled to capacity because they were never intended to house the vast number of illegals currently incarcerated and yet this does not constitute an "economic freefall."

Agaki, I do not know if your are a want-to-be ACLU Attorney or if you have an Immigration Horn Book opened to aid in your anti-US fact finding mission. But you are definelty losing the war here so please quit while you are behind.

Go cry to Alan Combs as to how unfair our immigration Policies are and how mean we are to all the poor peasants from third world cesspools.



linda chavez
Linda couldnot be any more wrong? She is a disgrace and definitely not a Conservative.
The GOP had best not listen to you or the results will be disaster.
Methinks that is her purpose....

TnHillbilly
Thanks ever so much for some much needed good news for a change!!! Keep on reporting anything you see please. goes to show those that say deportation and the threat of it doesn't work how wrong they can be.

Just say no....
To the Chavez extortion line...to illegal aliens...to the Dream Act...to SCHIP.....to the destruction of our sovereignty. WHERE'S THE FENCE? We should be encouraging Legal Immigration and a new wave of America lovers, not La Raza racists like Linda.

Immigration
Well, Eastlake, the European side of my family has been in the US since the mid-1600s and in this state since the mid-1700s and my non-European family since---I don't know--the archaeology is still kinda murky--at least for 23,000 years or so.

So, before say 1788--your family was elsewhere, no?

I am actually very critical of Mexico as well as the US. The people I blame the least are the illegal aliens--if the roles were reserved I am sure you'd be trying to get into Mexico to feed your family. Who I blame the most: The Mexican government, the US government, and the American businesses and consumers who rely on illegal labor.

While prison costs and hospital issues are indeed serious, neither can be seen as an economic freefall as your previous post implied.

And illegal aliens do pay taxes for schools since they indirectly pay property taxes through rent or directly pay them by home ownership (yes, some illegals do own their own homes).

See Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982)for the court decision that made states admit illegal alien schoolchildren to public schools. Please note that not all children of illegal aliens are illegals themselves, many are US citizens.

And for the guest worker program, more like what Taiwan used in the 1990s and I might add, Canada seems to import legal Mexican labor with few problems--they come for the season, pick the crops and then fly back home.




It works!
Great link TNhilbilly! here is a caption from that article:

"The three lived in Aurora, Colo., when Sanchez was fired from her job as district manager of a fast-food chain after she couldn't provide a valid Social Security number. "

Hmm a district manager for a fast food chain. sounds like one of those jobs that an American Citizen would never want to do.

Good news
It's just a trickle so far, but some illegals are moving back to Mexico because of laws being enforced:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-26-moving_N.htm?csp=34
What we need is more of this.

Voting for the party....
most liberal with the handouts. We are supposed to believe these people just want to be Americans. If they are really interested in becoming Americans, then why does my dishwashing detergent need to have instructions for use written in Spanish.


Votes
Paco - Giuliani and McCain both voted for the Bush Amniesty Bill that the people overwhelmingly voiced their opinion against. The first thing that Giuliani or McCain would do is to create a pathway to citizenship for the illegals already in this country.

This is not about attracting hispanic votes. We can no longer tolerate illegal immigration simply because enforcing immigration laws might offend hispanic voters.

Hispanic voters certainly know which candidates oppose or embrace illegal immigration. If they are concerened with this as you say, then they will cast their votes accordingly.


Paco
Read Steve Sailer's views on the so-called 44 % Hispanic vote in 2004 for Bush. It was based on a long form to be filled out and thus not representative of the Hispanic population at large.

I will not restate my views but you should read my post number 13 on this thread.

AMEN again!
To a Hunter/Tancredo ticket. Hunter has pledged to get all 854 miles of the already-funded fence built within six months of becoming President. I believe he will.

The liberal snowball is rolling downhill, and Bush and cronies are pushing it. We have many issues to face, like the Law of the Sea treaty. The immigration issue is critical, but it doesn't establish UN authority over our sovereignty. The Senate is going to try to slide the LoS treaty under the table without debate ("unanimous consent") like they did with the Comprehensive Scamnesty bill.

I don't want to detract from the seriousness of the illegal alien problem but just to point out that it is not the only serious problem we face.

More on this and other subjects if you click on my name. I'd appreciate critiques of what I've written if any of you have the time...

Rickey Braddam

Apples and Oranges
We already have several guest worker programs in existence, the largest being the agriculturial guest worker program. If those programs are under funded then we can certaily adjust the numbers of workers needed to satisfy demand.

However, do not justify the mass invasion of illegals under the guise of picking apples and oranges. Open border advocates love to use this argument as if all 20 million illegals ( we do not know how many are here) in this country are picking apples and oranges , thereby doing this country a great favor. Don't believe this red herring.

Suppose...
...the French had been able to conquer Mexico in the 1860's, 140 years of French rule would have been gone by since. French-Mexican assimilation would have occurred to some noticable extent. An illegal immigration of Frexicans would be just as illegal and undesirable and for the same or very similar reasons. Our heritage of English law is very different from either Spanish or French. Trial by Jury? Habeas Corpus? innocent until proven guilty? Right to bear arms? Freedom of speech, press, assembly, petition, religion? ETC.....THIS IS NOT A RACIAL ISSUE! There is also not enough arable land and potable water in the USA to support the entire world population so we must enforce our immigration laws.

Be Careful
I do not believe Hispanics are for illegal immigration, as most posters in this column debate tend to believe. Perhaps my view/opinion is biased by my surroundings, Central Florida.

There is no doubt that the vast majority of Hispanics are of Mexican ancestry. My experience with Hispanic Americans of Mexican decent is that they do not approve illegal immigration. The problem with Hispanic-Americans is that they do not go out to vote on Election Day; very few do vote (5.6% of voters in 2006). I cannot find a logical explanation as to why Hispanics will agree on border security and on tougher enforcement of our laws but still vote for liberal candidates.

We have to be very careful how we deal with Hispanics. In 2004, GWB got +44% of the Hispanic vote, in 2006 Hispanic vote for GOP's candidates dropped to less than 29%. My "guestimate" is that less than 20% of the Hispanic voters will vote for a Republican in 2008. Find a good Latino Electorate analysis dated 27 July 2007 here: http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/34.pdf.

Paradoxically Hispanics almost totality share strong family and religious values perhaps surpassing our average strength in traditional views and values regarding family, religion and morality. They can be a strong unchangeable un-submissive-able force against Islamists and terrorists. Then, how can we bring Hispanics to our side?

The answer can be inferred from the following report: http://www.youngvoterstrategies.org/index.php?tg=fileman&idx=get&inl=1&id=1&gr=Y&path=Research&file=Polling+Young+Voters+Volume+VI.pdf

Giuliani and McCain are the only ones capable of attracting any Hispanic vote to the GOP. We have to be very careful how we talk about Hispanics because they are a dormant force. Pulling a wrong string to Hispanics will be a significant contributing factor in losing the 2008 elections to the socialists.

The "Chavez Solution" for the GOP
Throw open the borders, import all the currently-illegal aliens they can muster up, register them all as Republicans as they're processed into the country, hand them immediate citizenship and free tuition to the college of their choice for the kids, and point them at a ballot box.

Yeah, that's the ticket......



What a maroon.

"Guest" Worker Plans
Akagi, The only way that a Guest worker program could work in accordance with the guidelines you have stated would be with some kind of Saudi Arabian styled program where the "Guest" workers are monitored, housed, and directed in an almost prison-like atmosphere. Any other way, and there are just too many holes through which mischief and fraud soon turn the whole "guest" concept into a mockery. Our judges have already made it so that anyone touching our soil has rights and processes that almost make it impossible to remove them from our country -- we don't need to institute a program that will give them red carpet access into the borders of America.

What happens when the "Guests" simply fail to return? What happens if a "guest" manages to download an anchor baby or 5? What happens if the "Guest" marries an American resident legitimately or through some kind of sham wedding?

Better that we just learn to mobilize the already extensive human assets that we have on hand in the American citizenry. Sure it will cost us more in the front end in the cost of our goods and services, but it will save us a lot more on the back end in the form of taxes and entitlements that now go to pay for all the "freebies" the illegals use.

Wrong
Agaki - Would love to see you condemn the corrupt policies of Mexico which have prevented it's citizens from prospering economically as vigorously as you critize the US immigration system.

Oh, that's right, you believe it's the responsibility of the United States to create a guest worker program to subsidize Mexico and it's survival.

Just because we happen to share a border with Mexico does not means we are responsible for it's economic well being.

Akagi
I suppose you don't call social programs being illegally used,school attendance without taxes, Hospitals going under from non-payment not a drain on our economy? I do. and speak for yourself dude I can trace my roots back to1788 and farther.

she is getting what she wants
The reason LaRaza proponent Chavez never tires of her pro-destruction of the United States mantra is that it is working, inch by inch, city by city, school by school the patriots of Mexico are conquering this nation while "gringos" sit by chatting about diversity, allow the chief Law enforcement officer of this nation to violate his oath of office, allow the patriots of the minute man project and ranch rescue to be besmirched, and allow their school boards to continue to promote anti-United States rhetoric in the classroom.

Why should she stop? She is getting exactly what she wants.

The President is correct
When you have a poor country with high unemployment close to a rich country with low unemployment (or even full employment) immigration will happen--legally or illegally.

The point is to make such rational. I'd support a true guest worker program, but it has to be a true guest worker program--where the guest come, they work and they leave--not an end-around US immigration law or a way to gain legal residency or citizenship. You also need to secure the entry points and have internal enforcement so only the people legally admitted can enter (as much as possible anyway).


Mexican President; "we're coming"
PUERTO PENASCO, Mexico — Mexican President Felipe Calderon told U.S. governors Thursday that immigration is an inevitable, natural phenomenon and he urged the U.S. Congress to approve reforms that would allow more Mexicans to work legally north of the border.


Calderon demanded that the United States respect "the right to work wherever one can make the greatest contribution."


"Immigration is a natural phenomenon that is economically and socially inevitable," he told the meeting in this Sonora seaside resort town


Just had to read this
Just had to read what this, to see what how twisted Linda is on immigration. No different than anything else she comments on. Just gotta let'em all in, gotta let'em all stay, gotta make'em citizens. I guess Linda wants to run for office and can't make it without the brown vote, she sure aint' gonna make w/ the white vote.

Really?
Despite a few blips, the economy seems to be doing pretty well and even if it weren't care to show me how this is related to illegal immigration. That is another thing--blame illegal immigration for its real ill-effects, not for every thing under the sun--doing that undermines your arguement.

"...and let them fight to change conditions in their own country. Our forefathers did."

This is a not exactly correct since the vast majority of people living in the US today descended from people that left from someplace else.


Agaki
I personally don't care if they have the chance to immigrate here or not and I don't mean just Mexicans. Our economy is in a serious down-turn and if we keep accepting a flood of illegal aliens, we are going to sink. It's like a life boat, it's meant to save lives but if you overload it, the boat sinks and ALL die. We cannot continue to keep accepting illegals non-stop and without controls. Close the borders and send them home to the country they came from and let them fight to change conditions in their own country. Our forefathers did.


What gets me about... all
...this is the moderates say we Conservatives (read as Republicans) want enforcement first, By enforcement they mean round 'em up, deport 'em out. No!!!! What we mean is build a Fence, no enforcement or comprehensive reform will be effectve until the border is secure from "illegal immigrants" coming here for the free ride, and the potential "transient terrorist" coming here to destroy that ride. By the way I propose a compromise new name for our uninvited guest. The supporters of amnesty say "undocumented workers", we on the right who are right on this issue use "illegal immigrants", since that is unacceptable to the left, I propose "migratory voters" a much more descriptive moniker.

Hunter For America

Republican voters still get to decide who their nominee will be. Money only buys elections when people act like sheep. If 80% of Republicans are indeed seeking a conservative, we can nominate one. We can nominate Duncan Hunter. The money players won't like it and are trying to convince us only Rudy, Romney, or McCain can win. Hogwash. They want an open borders candidate. Give Americans a chance to vote for a candidate who WILL secure the border and watch turnout soar. Americans want their government to fulfill its most basic responsibility.

The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

http://www.gohunter08.com

Clueless
lily - Your fairy tale was amusing. Now back to reality. There is a distinction between being "polite" and pandering. This issue is about illegal immigration and the destruction of this country. If hispanics like Linda Chavez want to make it a racial issue, then so be it. But the rest of us are no longer going to cave in at the thought of being labeled a racist or losing the hispanic vote because we will not buy into the garbage perpetrated by Linda Chavez.

Your self-perceived creative little bed time story is full of propeganda that is sure to please any self-serving illegal.

Linda
Back to The Border, Back to 1 Check Mark!

Linda
Back to The Border, Back to 1 Check Mark!

Newsflash
Since Hispanic is not a race it would be impossible to be a racist just because you hated Hispanics--even if you thought all Hispanics were direct descendants of the sewer rat.

Hispanic is a cultural group, not a race. You have black Hispanics (such as those from Panama), Asian Hispanics (e.g. Alberto Fujimori of Peru), white Hispanics, pure Ameri-Indian Hispanics and mixtures of all of the above.

I know--I use ther term incorrectly as well--when I posted that using the term "Jap" was racist--it's not--its bigoted, since Japanese isn't a race either.


Lack of Systemic Thinking
Minority teens used to do a lot of the jobs the illegals do today. Maybe without ilegals so many young minority Americans would not become criminals for $30,000 a year.

Without government intrussion into health care, maybe private health care would be more affordable and young people wouldn't stay away of physical labor.

With TORT reform hiring and firing maybe would not be so much of a greek wedding that employers feel attracted to the illegal unerground economy.

With an universal sales tax even illegals would contribuite to the federal government budget.

The direct result of Socialism; In China, Viet Nam, Russia, France or the USA is that lazy people loose all incentive to be productive (because they get benefits by justshowing up) and greedy people find a way to operate underground.

Reality always provees Marx wrong when it comes to Human Nature.

The Liberal solution to drive-by shootings?
Suspend the Driver License of Gang Members

What I don't get is why so many Republicans continue to fund all these Liberal wacky projects.

I would vote Ron Paul if he wasn't such an adolescent when it comes to foreign policy.

Visas--Part II
C. DIVERSITY IMMIGRANTS:
The 2008 Diversity Visa Lottery began on October 4, 2006, and is scheduled to run through December 3, 2006. The Department of State will only accept completed Electronic Diversity Visa Entry Forms submitted electronically at http://www.dvlottery.state.gov during the registration period. To enter the lottery, you must meet either the education or work experience requirement of the DV program. Education or Work Experience: You must have EITHER a high school education or its equivalent, defined as successful completion of a 12-year course of elementary and secondary education; OR two years of work experience within the past five years in an occupation requiring at least two years of training or experience to perform.


There are non-immigrant visas, but only a limited number would be available for working class laborers that make up most of the illegal class--why did agrobusiness push so hard for the immigration reform bill this year--there are simply not enough visas for all that want them.

Visas--Part I
For you inspection wiseone:

A. FAMILY-BASED IMMIGRANTS:
Quotas do not exist for family-based visas for parents, spouses or children of adult U.S. citizens who wish to immigrate. There are quotas, however, for spouses or children of Legal Permanent Residents ("green card" holders) as well as for the adult sons and daughters and siblings of U.S. citizens. Because of these quotas, persons in the later categories often have to wait several years from the petition filing date until they may receive an interview.


B. EMPLOYMENT-BASED IMMIGRANTS:
A total of 140,000 immigrant visas are available each year for this category. Employment-based immigrant visas are divided into five preference groups. These groups (percent of yearly limit in parentheses) are listed below:

Priority Workers: Persons of extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics; outstanding professors and researchers; and certain multinational executives and managers (28.6%).

Members of the Professions: Professionals holding advanced degrees, and persons of exceptional ability in the sciences, arts, and business (28.6%).

Professionals, Skilled and Unskilled Workers: Professionals holding baccalaureate degrees, skilled workers with at least two years experience, and other workers whose skills are in short supply in the United States (28.6%). (Unskilled workers are subject to a sublimit of 10,000).

Special Immigrants: Certain religious workers and ministers of religion, certain international organization employees and their immediate family members, and specially qualified and recommended current and former employees of the United States Government (7.1%).

Investors: Persons who create employment for at least ten unrelated persons by investing capital in a new commercial enterprise in the United States. The minimum amount of capital required is between $500,000 and $1,000,000 depending on the unemployment rate in the geographic area (7.1%).


Story Time
Gather round, children, for it's story hour. Once upon a time a lot of townhall posters wrote things like "Mexicans are cockroaches" and "Mexicans are leeches" and "Mexican women are sluts, baby factories". They were not careful to distinguish between illegal immigrant Mexicans and, well, Mexicans, in fact, all Hispanics. In fact they said the very sound of the Spanish language made them sick.

Then one day an American journalist of Hispanic descent (going back to the 1600's) dared to identify those ugly words as what they are: racist. Immediately all her friends didn't want to be her friends any more. In fact, they sent her rude letters saying, "Go back to Mexico" which would be hard for her to do since she never came from there in the first place but was born here. Again and again she tried to be friends once more, but her ex-friends were an unforgiving lot. When she pointed out that Hispanics are now a crucial voting block and it might pay at the polls to be polite to them, her former friends called her an extortionist.

How does this story end? We don't know yet. I have often disagreed with Ms Chavez, but I am squarely in her camp on this issue, and the anti-Hispanic crowd should crawl back under its rock. A racist is a racist, and if a bird waddles around saying "Cuac cuac" then, chances are, it's a pato.

Not my point
No--my position is that saying "We'll accept anyone as long as they come here legally" is simplistic and doesn't match with reality.

No--wiseone--most illegals in the US are Mexicans (56%) and the vast majority of those are the uneducated working class of Mexico and who would have zero chance of coming to the US legally.

The US issues about 1 million immigrant visas per year and most of these are family reunification visas, the rest are employment-based, and a few issues to refugees and a few more to the DV-1 program. There are very very few visas open to poor peasants--so to say--they could just come here legally--a claim made by Sean--the idiot--Hannity is simply false.

Read US immigration law--I am well familair with it as I have had to deal with INS (now ICS). Please show me where a poor peasant would qualify under the priority system who didn't have a close US relative?

Your belief doesn't match reality.

And again I am not in favor of illegal immigration--but you should be honest--the legal ability for most illegals to enter the US is simply not there.

Despite what people claim--if 70% of illegals didn't come from a single culture and thus not as noticable, this wouldn't be as big of an issue.

I thought that Linda
was beginning to come back from the dark side. Guess I was wrong.

I just looked at a map of what is generally considered Europe (West and East) and Scandanavia. I count about 32 countries. Why is it that Americans who are decendants of one of those countries (Spain) are considered minorities for legal (i.e. affirmative action) purposes. But Americans who are are decendants of the other 31 countries are not? What the hell is it that's makes people with a Spanish surname so special? Or not special, depending on one's perspective. That one really confounds me.

Linda, Linda, Linda
Are you going to amke a case based upon 2006, an election year wherein GOP incumbents fell like ripe apples, and for a variety of reasons?
In AZ-5 the local Republicans went against the Party "establishment" and nominated who they wanted, so the GOP "establishment" cut that GOP candidates funding and the previous incumbent wouldn't even offer an endorsement! JD Hayworth lost previous votes due to his support of Bush on Iraq and his own stupid overconfidence in reelection; he ran a sorry campaign, period.
I still haven't heard the final word on the Bonilla defeat, in light of the 60,000 illegal voters that turned up in Bexar County! I can tell you that Bonilla didn't win on the first ballot because of GOP disunity splitting the party vote (competing GOP challengers), and that this, combined with Dem dirty, if not illegal, tactics at the ballot box most likely effected his defeat in the run-off.
I can tell you that you should examine the defeat of the GOP US Senator in Ohio in 2006 who was attached to John McCain's hip on immigation. I think you'd admit that Chafee of RI was a one of your supporters on "comprehensive immigration"...in you logic, his defeat could be blamed on this.
The GOP is suffering now in morale and funding, Linda, because of the stupid attempt you and elected RINOs, like McCain and Graham and Kyl pushed recently in the US Senate...with the full idoitic support of Bush! Pres Bush's polling numbers would be showing approval of around 40 to 45% right now if the RINOs and he hadn't supported AMNESTY for lawbreakers (regardless of race), and the party base would not be "nailed inside a coffin"!

Show Love for Mexico
Oppose policies that condemn Mexicans to be the perennial servants, gardeners and fruit pickers of a foreign nation.

Mexico: his gold in New York, his oil, patrimony and population in Southern California and Texas.

Go Linda Go!

According to Linda Republicans campaign promise ought to be –A MEXICAN NANNY FOR EVERY HOME!-

Too Late!?
How did the obviously unassimilated Hispanic community, that would actually vote out Republicans because of this issue alone, get so large in the first place? I guess we let too many of them in too fast. Looks to me like its time to stop ALL Hispanic legal immigration, deport ALL illegal Hispanics and allow only OTHER THAN Hispanic immigration for a VERY long time!

Or is that...
...the "TJ Rosa" for illegal migration?

Either way, the semi-alliterative comparison of Ms. Chavez to "Tokyo Rose" is not without some historical merit. She, Ms Chavez, entreats the conservatives here on TH to surrender to Teddy Kennedy's, "comprehensive" immigration reform. However, the situation we have now is illegal migration, not illegal immigration. Reform is not needed in such a context, enforcement of current law is. The term immigration implies that there is an invitation. If so, then let's hear "W", or the Congress, extend such an "invitation" to Mexico. I dare them utter such an invitation out loud.

And to J.D.,
As far as Chavez goes, she's as open borders as they come and she probably has a picture of you on a dartboard in her basement.

I sure hope you plan on running to get your seat back. I think there will be enough dissatisfaction with the current congress and the fact that Hillary will get the Repub voter to the polls in 2008.

Best of luck if you do.


So what?
Akaki- We do not need any more poor peasants from any country immigrating to the United States. If they have no legal path to get here then so be it. It's not the responsibility of the Unites States to create a "legal" pathway for every citizen that wants to come here.

The United states can no longer host and sustain the poor of the world and expect to survive as a nation. We have American Citizens that cannot make ends meet and yet we are expected to fend for the poor of the world. It simply can no longer continue. Sorry if that upsets you.

Akagi
It is not our job to find a way to accept those who are unable to come here legally.

It is not possible for me to make a million dollars overnight legally. That does not make it OK for me to steal it.

Your position seems to be based on the notion that everyone who desires to come here must be accommodated.

Sorry, not possible. Not possible any more than it is possible for all of us to be millionaires.

I also challenge your assertion that "few had the legal option".

I believe that the vast majority of illegals are here illegally for no reason other than it was easier (and faster) to come here illegally than to do it legally. The same way it would be faster and easier for me to steal a million dollars than to earn it legally if the government stopped enforcing laws against embezzlement, shoplifting, burglary, fraud, and insider trading.

And many of those who truly didn't have the option to come here legally were denied that option for very good reasons, such as the fact that they are criminals.

Immigration policy in this country was historically and traditionally designed to permit people who wanted to make a permanent change of their residence and citizenship to the US to do so. It was not and should not be designed to enable carpetbaggers, criminals, and re-conquistas to leech off the resources and economy of this country without making the commitments of assimilation, naturalization, and citizenship. It certainly was not designed to aid and abet criminals or to facilitate Mexicans who want to tear up the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

US immigration policiy must SERVE the people of the US, not the people of some foreign country. If it serves other peoples at the expense of US citizens it is unconstitutional.

throw them all out
This is EXACTLY what is wrong about our government. Basing decisions on getting re-elected rather then on what is best for the country.

To ALL the racists
I'm going to say this. If we are to divide this nation along racists voting lines, then I can only hope that Caucasians wake up and start to vote that way as well.
If Linda Chavez, and the rest of the "let's look at everything through race colored glasses" desire a USA represented along racial lines, then right now (and if that majority gets as serious as the Linda Chavezes and Al Sharptons) the Caucasian majority in voting would displace more seated Congressional members from minorities than those minorities would gain!
BUT, if the Linda Chavezes of the world want a politcal USA of a Hispanic Party, a Black Party, and White Party, etc instead of Democrat, Republican, etc....then I say let it come NOW! Because if we really are not Americans, but a nation of self-interested races, then we need to get to the dividing now, period. AND Caucasians need to get just a united and vehement about their "take" as all the rest!
I'm so tired of the immigration issue, an issue of no less than the SOVEREIGNTY of this nation, being hijacked by racists and made into an Hispanic issue! Immigration encompasses ALL races! You come to the SOVEREIGN USA respectful and in accordance with its LAWS, or you get deported, period...because a nation founded and maintained upon laws doesn't want you, period.
If I'm wrong, then let's simply do away with lines on maps. I don't really mind uniting with Mexico and Canada as long as political loyalty is weighted by race because the Caucasian Party would still dominate the North American Union...or whatever the hell it will be called.

Border Wars
WOW! Linda your op-ed columns on immigration are as popular as a "Skunk at a Lawn Party" as a suggestion to increase your popularity, you may try changing your subject matter or try to appeal to a different audience.

Blood is thicker than water
This woman and her co-horts never quit trying to establish their own race as the predominant one in the United States. More than any thing else these so called hispanic-AMERICANS are contributing to the prejudice against hispanics that wasn't there in the beginning. I for one have absolutely HAD IT with her constant push for allowing the flood of illegal HISPANICS into this country.Between her and Geraldo who never met a criminalien they didn't like I can't stand to even watch them anymore. If refusing to pander top lawbreakers loses the election than this country has been lost already. Frankly I think Linda has been promised a choice spot in the North American Union.....
QUIT YER WHINING LINDA...you have become INSUFFERABLE!!!

Linda Chavez...
..has become the "Tijuana Rosa" for illegal migration.

Not that simple
I am not in favor of illegal immigration, but wiseone's comments of "We agree that anyone, anywhere in the world, should be allowed to come to the US, IF THEY OBEY THE LAW" is simplistic.

The fact is if you are a poor Mexican peasant (or a poor Chinese peasant or a poor Malay peasant) it would be virtually impossible for you to legally immigrate to the US--unless you have close family connections as US citizens (adult children over-18, sister or brothers) or you married a US citizen or legal resident alien.

That means if you want to enter the US, it must be done illegally--there is simply no realistic way for them to immigrate legally.

So this "We accept anyone as long as they follow the law" implies that most of these illegals had a legal option to enter the US--when in fact few had a legal option.


As I said the when this same issue was
brought up by Bruce Bartlett on 6/13/07 (see column below);

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/BruceBartlett/2007/06/13/immigration_political_dynamics?page=full&comments=true

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Stop pandering to illegals!!!
Even if the Hispanic population is growing, pandering to them by destroying the economic foundation of this country will not be stood for by the legal voters.

In the last election there were many more registered voters who didn't vote that there are potential Hispanic votes (by legal or illegal aliens), the politicians need to pander to those that are legal voting citizens of this country before they pander to illegal aliens for potential votes.

Any conservative who thinks making illegal aliens legal will get them some of those Hispanic votes needs to have their party membership revoked. The vast majority of those new votes will go to liberals, socialists, or democrats because they are seen as the political force that will give them more social services.
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The above comment is but a portion of what I said back on June 13th, but is is still true today.

If conservatives will focus on gaining support of the the 70+ million legal non-voting registered voters they can easily make up for the Hispanics who believe breaking the law is acceptable.

And not all Hispanics support illegal immigration. I know many legal immigrant or citizen Hispanics whom are opposed to illegals who immigrate the wrong way because they get an immediate path handed to them while those who obey the law have to wait years.

Illegals
Ron Paul has about as much chance at being the GOP nominee as I have of being named as the President of the PRC.

How does he plan to stop anchor babies? You can argue that Wong Kim Ark doesn't cover those born to illegal aliens--good luck finding a court to agree with this position. You could also get a law passed to define the issue--that those born to illegals aren't citizens--but do you think Congress would pass such a law? Do you think a president would sign it? Would it be upheld as constitutional? I am sure you know the answer to this.

You could repeal the part of the 14th Amendment that makes this all possible--but that would be no easy task either.

At this point what needs to be done is that works--which is stoping the impregnated women from getting inside the US--which means a secure border.


Illegals. . .
. . .are nothing more than the slaves of today. There has always been an "underclass" for immoral employers and masters to use. The only difference this time around is that the illegals are volunteering to put themselves into bondage.

Personally, if I find out that a business uses illegals for anything I take my business elsewhere.

Orlandocajun
AMEN to the Duncan/Tancredo ticket! I'll either vote for them on the ticket or write them in. God Bless their team.

Figures
Linda Chavez once again allows here ethnic pride to get in the way of common sense. This is typical of most Mexican's as they will not be satisfied until they have destroyed this country. It's not bad enough that their own country is a corrupt cesspool, they want to create that here as well. These people have no desire to assimilate and expect this country to kowtow to their demands. What Linda has failed to realize is the American People have had it with politicians that are giving this country away in an effort to pander to the hispanic. Illegal immigration is an American Issue. If Mexican's want to make it their issue, that's their problem.

There you go again...
Republicans need to concern themselves with the 70% voting bloc known as Americans. Let the Dims pander to the illegal aliens.

For the record Linda, Hayworth lost to a Blue Dog Democrat that actually ran on a stronger anti-illegal platform than Hayworth. Hayworth was booted because Arizona has been overrun with illegals.

Republicans need to distinguish themselves from Democrats...not blend in. You may have taken notice of what happened when the Senate pandered to illegals this past summer. I'm guessing that the illegal population in South Carolina won't be able to salvage Lindsay (Amnesty) Graham's re-election.

We need a Hunter/Tancredo ticket.

Chavez steps in it again
Dear Ms. Chavez,

Don't you ever get tired of stepping into the same pile of manure?

I am a conservative Republican. That means I am a card-carrying "Sustaining Member" of the party. That means I donate money. If you check at the RNC, the NRCC, and the NRSC, you will find my name, address, home phone, and email.

I am the Republican Party at its grassroots level. When you talk about taking a "moderate" position on immigration as compared to an "enforcement only" approach, you are talking to me.

This is my answer.

We ARE moderate on immigration. We agree that anyone, anywhere in the world, should be allowed to come to the US, IF THEY OBEY THE LAW. Your suggestion that we will lose hispanic votes if don't let them break the law is insulting and arrogant.

How many of these lost votes are illegal votes? If hispanics don't respect our borders they're also not going to respect our voting laws.

Our "enforcement only" approach is not "limited enforcement only". Instead of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", our moderate policy on immigration demands COMPREHENSIVE ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS.

And that includes denying the vote to people who are voting illegally. And if they're not even supposed to be in the country they certainly aren't supposed to be voting. How many votes would the Democrats gain if only LEGAL hispanics were allowed to vote?

We are fed up with the declaration that it's too hard or politically unacceptable to deport people who are here illegally because there are too many of them. And we are fed up with you giving us a different version of your biased tripe every two months or so.

Go post this garbage at democratunderground where it belongs.

Screw it
Hey Linda, I'm actually HOPING the Demos win both houses and the White House in 2008. They'll get their crummy socialized medicine, open borders, nuclear Iran, zero patriot act, close Gitmo and let the detainees run loose in San Francisco, and every month will be LBGT tolerance month!


We will be involved in a civil war by the end of 2009, and I am ready. I've been stockpiling ammo for the last 5 years so the high ammo prices aren't hurting me.


I even moved to Oregon so I'd be close to all the freaky libs. Very target rich environment.

Virginia Patriot
Virginia Patriot, you're "new math not good math" post was brilliant, succinct, and irrefutable. Unfortunately, I fear that the numbers and demographic trends already in place may have already put us past the point of no return. I haven't yet given up but the fat lady is already rehearsing.

California is the perfect test case for what will eventually happen to the rest of the country and a real world example of your mathematical analysis. Conservatives have no chance of ever capturing a statewide election in California (and no Ahnold is not a conservative).

BORDER WARS
Basura!

Linda Chavez is just another open borders cheerleader. Republicans lost in 2006 and will continue to lose in national elections so long as they pander to special interests. The Republicans who have survived have been people able to win the support of the critical conservative base.

The way for Republicans to get and keep votes is to STAND FOR PRINCIPLES!!!! The overwhelming majority of Americans, regardless of their race, religion, or political party, DO NOT want open borders or amnesty. Pandering may bring big money from Rockefeller Republican donors or the endorsements of the US Chamber of Commerce and segments of the MSM. In the end, however, nothing matters if a Republican candidate cannot win the conservative base of the party. Conservatives do not accept the saying "Half a loaf is better than none". Democrats and liberals will always vote Democrat.

I have seen contests in which the candidate with tons of money lost to a conservative with a large number of small and maybe some mid-sized donors, but no big money donors. A true blue conservative will always have strong supporters who will get the vote out by promoting the candidacy among the people they know and those people will go from there.

From my childhood, I remember a retired diehard Democrat state legislator who said, "I'd vote for the devil himself if he were a Democrat!". That's the way Democrats and liberals are. Get over it!!




eastlake joe
I have never not voted, don't plan to start now, even if I have to write in. Some will stay home if the choice is New York liberal A or B. Or R or D.

Hispandering
As usual on this subject, Linda, your analysis is one hundred percent the opposite of the truth. Are you stupid or just being intentionally deceptive. Republicans lost in 2006 for precisely the reasons that you seem to think they should embrace. The sold their souls and principles to the higher god of pandering to entitlement interests, including the racsist Hispanic lobby. Standing strong in defense of our laws and conservative principles is what will get them elected, not selling out to socialists and parasites, as you suggest.

New Math Not Good Math

Most polls show at least half of the American citizens of Hispanic descent want the borders and laws enforced. Republicans will not win by alienating their current voters to get 40% of a new small block that will grow very large, very fast if amnesty is granted. That will grow the Democrats vote larger and faster as the influx increases exponentially as the result of another amnesty. It will spell the end of the Republican Party. The people who used to vote Republican will stop voting or form a new party. Conservatives will lose political influence and we will slide inexorably towards socialism (it has already started).

This is NOT Immigration

Yes, hispanics can certainly be as American as you or I, I know some. However, Mexicans are not Americans, Guatamalans are not Americans, Hondurans are not Americans, El Salvadorans are not Americans. They can be, IF they apply for legal entry and follow our EXISTING path to citizenship. When someone lets himself into your house without your permission, do you consider him a guest? I don't. Invasion is not the right term, but what is happening is NOT immigration. People do not have an unlimited right to "migrate" from their country to ours. I know many immigrants from all over the world and it is especially for them that I oppose amnesty for illegal aliens. Some have waited years in refugee camps in southeast asia for their chance to become Americans. They respect this country, our laws, language and culture. All of them took the time, effort and expense to do it the right way. We should honor all those who have and not insult their sacrifices with another amnesty. The amnesty of 1986 has resulted in 10 times the number of illegal aliens and a general disregard for our laws. Another amnesty would be equally successful.

Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement


We need Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement, not reform. We need to restore respect for the law and the faith of the American people that their government is not selling them out. Amnesty for the illegal aliens is also amnesty for the corrupt companies who have been employing them. Money trumps everything, including love of country. Multi-nationals have no loyalty to country by definition, they see us as a market, not a nation. They see people as workers, documented or undocumented, no difference. If they can't send the work to where the labor is cheaper, then they want to bring the cheap labor here. If citizenship becomes meaningless, this is no longer The United States of America.

If we love our Constitution and our representative Republic and we intend to keep it we must not surrender our sovereignty or abandon the rule of law. Profits must not supercede security. We should not create a new path to citizenship. We have a path to citizenship, more generous than any other country, illegal aliens have ignored it and bad choices do have consequences.

"Tough" Approaches
So according to Senora Chavez, one "tough" approach to illegal aliens from congressman Steve Pearce of New Mexico was his advocacy of deporting criminal aliens. Whoa, somebody stop this radical zealot: he actually has the audacity to suggest that alien rapists, murderers, drug dealers, document forgers, pedophiles, serial drunk drivers, and thieves should be deported out of this country? The next thing you know this guy will suggest that murderers and rapists should serve prison time as well. We've got to get ahold of this congressman before his "tough" ideas turn our country into a police state.

Now back to reality, an illegal alien pandering congressman like Steve Pearce was still only able to gain 40% of the hispanic vote (and I would question the veracity of that 40% but for the point of this discussion let's go with it). So according to Sra. Chavez, it makes great sense for the GOP to enact policies that will turn hispanics from 15% of the population into well over 50% of the population so that they can gain 40% of those new voters. I guess that math wasn't one of her better subjects in school.

Virginia Patriot
I for one will not stay home regardless of the nominees. I will exersize my right as an American citizen and vote for the one most likely to close the borders and enforce the laws we have on the books. If 85% of the american voters write in the candidate that will do this, it doesn't matter who the nominees are.

Linda Chavez and the 2008 election
Personally, I will not give up my principles for the sake of a Republican victory in 2008. I will vote for conservative candidates, regardless of party, and this includes supporting candidates who are anti-illegal immigration and anti-amnesty for illegals. I support building the fence and expect my candidates to reflect my views. Sorry Chavez.

Legal US citizens all have one vote apiece and if we ensure illegals do not corrupt our voter registration roles, we can prevail.

Win By Surrender

Democrats want to do it in Iraq, sounds like some Pubs want to do it with illegal aliens. Pander to citizens of other countries illegally in our country in the vain hope they will vote for Republicans. Throw out such notions as the rule of law and citizenship, surrender and win!

There is a huge majority of American citizens waiting for someone to pledge to uphold the laws and secure the borders, let's ignore them some more.

Pandering buys votes
News Alert! Pandering buy votes! Why don't we offer to give free everything to any Hispanic who votes Republican?

Free citizenship, free healthcare, free education--all you have to do is:

1). Violate several immigration and employment laws
2). Vote Republican

And, you don't even have to learn English!

After all, you're entitled to it because you managed to walk across an open border and steal a job from some poor American.

Voter ID second try
Sorry about the last, I had to leave quite unexpectedly. What I meant to say was I'm all for voter ID to keep the illegals from voting.The ward I vote in requires it already. I don't know if they are legal or not, but it's being done and I applaud it.

Sell out now?
I really used to respect this author, Chavez. But this is simply an amazing suggestion to pander to Hispanics for their vote rather than act in a principled manner. It is beginning to seem like a special minority group with its own unique rights and victim status. This balkanization is getting very old. And it is horrible for the country. My loyalty is to a nation that is committed to defending its citizens (including its border) and to operating a fair and neutral set of laws without regard to a person's race or ethnicity. And MOST importantly to freedom. I read columns such as this from purported Republicans and (1) understand suddenly how they got to where they are and (2) why the party is in shambles. They get killed at election time if they take her posture in the debate.

Si se puede (yes we can)

Si se puede (Yes We Can)
Yes we can:
Ignore your laws.
Enter your country any time we feel like it.
Collect benefits to which we are not entitled.
Tell you what your immigration policies should be.
File thousands of lawsuits to prevent you from enforcing your laws.
Vote in your elections fradulently.
Take your country.

A Rose by any other Color
Linda said:
"But all is not lost for Republicans -- if they manage to stake out more moderate ground on immigration."

Let's cut the "PC" crap....what your REALLY mean is "hispandering." What you REALLY mean is having true Conservatives compromise their morals.

Wake up Linda. Conservatives want the law enforced. And stop being deceptive: Conservatives are NOT against immigration....we are against ILLEGAL immigration, no matter what racial, ethnic, or religious background these lawbreakers come from.

Chavez Isn't Spanish for Algebra
Simple algebra. There are 120 million voters in the USA. 81-82 percent are non-Hispanic white. 5-6 percent are Hispanic. George W. Bush won 54 percent of the non-Hispanic white vote in 2000 and 57 percent of the non-Hispanic white vote in 2004. Can it be deduced that Bush was re-elected largely by increasing his percentage of the white vote? Isn't it more helpful electorally to the Republican Party to increase their tally of the white vote a percent or two than to betray white interests to win an extra few points of the Hispanic vote?

HUNTER 2008

Securing the border and enforcing the law is the only way we get to keep our rule of law, our representative Republic, and our Constitution. If citizenship becomes meaningless, this will no longer be the United States of America.

The so-called "top tier" will not get out the voters necessary for a GOP win. Increasing turnout is the key. Give people something to vote for. Not just the lesser of two evils. Won't work this time. People are fed up with the inundation of illegal aliens. They would come out in droves for the clear choice of D=amnesty or R=enforcement. They will stay home if they both equal amnesty.

http://www.gohunter08.com

sad
linda, If hispanic voters want to become the newest underclass in the u.s.a. iguess they should go democrat.But somehow the law abidding hard working religious among them (legal) will not. If i was a legal immigrant i'd be a little hacked off at people that encourage illegals to come here. The thing many on the left and right forget, is our 2nd amendment. Someday we may have to exersize that right. Have we all forgotten the definition of a patriot? As a marine i swore to prtect my country and citizens from all enemies foreign and domestic. There are alot of us out here ready for both types.With the current idiots in washington, it's hard to tell who's who! Maybe if your name was jones you'd feel different?

Oh so kowtowing to illegals or else?
Once again Linda you couldn't be more out in left field among conservatives if you tried. Your endless apologist rhetoric for illegals is becoming tiresome. One would almost think that you, along with many other hispanic Americans, are more loyal to your race than your nation. These illegals are here against all the immigration laws of our country yet we mustn't complain or American hispanics will seek vengeance at the ballot box. I'm calling you out. Are you a racist or an American?

Voter I.D.
I'm all for voter ID to stop the illegals from

Miss Chavez- Traitor
Much of the supposed giant uptick in Bush's Hispanic vote from 33 percent in 2000 to 44 percent in 2004 comes from a flawed, unscientific study that strongly overrepresented Hispanics with the time and inclincation to fill out long forms about their voting preferences. Steve Sailer of Vdare has made this point many times. Most likely, the more intelligent and affluent Hispanics(thus more likely to support the GOP) were willing to spend a significant period of time in filling out these forms rather than Hispanics who pluck chickens or mow lawns. Pro-Republican Cubans were also more likely to fill out the questionaire.

The truth is that Miss Chavez's roots are Mexican. Mexicans have an overwhelming hatred of America. She is also married to a Jewish man and Jews, more than any other white ethnic group, have a tendency to be not only more sympathetic towards any minority but also tend to be prefer that there be no overwhelming majority ethnicity or race in countries in which they themselves live as minorities. A majority of Mexicans and Jews living in the United States prefer a future in which whites, who made up 85 % of the nation's population in 1965, are a minority.

An American nation in which minorities will be the majority(as America is headed right now) will be a nation dominated by the Democratic Party, it will have a larger welfare state, it will be more socialistic and it will have much of its historical memory wiped out. Not very conservative of Miss Chavez. But then she isn't a conservative.

Proof of voter registration

We obviously have too many Mexicans already if we can’t get elected without promoting illegal immigration. Seems to be the same dilemma that Europe is now struggling with, Muslims. They dare refuse to give what Muslims demand or the consequences are severe yet there are too many to stop the Muslim power.

It is hysterical how the free world fought for generations to have liberty and freedom and then let the globull-ist talk them into merely surrendering their countries under the principle of diversity.

One simple solution is to have voters give proper identification to vote. Knock out all the illegal voting and most of our problems will go away. Reminds me of the Mayor Daley days of people voting from their graves.

It seems to me
that the liberal party leaders are going to face a conundrum; who must they pander to the most. After their magnificent victory in the upcoming election, who will they be beholden to the most? Will it be the Soros Crazies, the Kos Perverts, or the Criminal Mexicans?

SCOFFLAW ~
SAWGUNNER is right. Linda favors mob rule. When LINDA personally hired an illegal alien as “nanny” she had no qualms about breaking immigration laws and employer’s tax laws. SAM is right about the illegality of so-called “anchor babies”. For an alien to become an American citizen he must be an ADULT and affirm his loyalty to the USA. As to babies born in the USA, the child’s parent must swear allegiance and the child is then a citizen. Ask Phyllis Schafly.

Linda, what’s your opinion about all American citizens being required to show proof of citizenship and identity before voting at the Polls? Let me guess. You are against the idea. It would make it too difficult for your political cohorts to organize busloads of illegal aliens to make the rounds of numerous polling stations and corrupt election results in favor of Linda’s preferred “winners”. Then there would be the extra hassle of stealing false PHOTO-IDENTITY cards for all those illegal aliens --- another scofflaw activity.

The CONSTITUTION and laws of the land in America are not a “buffet”.

I'm quaking in my boots!
You've got it wrong as usual Linda.

Republicans will loose big on this issue because they refused to touch/fix it while in power.

Democrats will surely get the illegal alien vote.

Big whoop! GOP recently tried to gain points on this issue by emulating the Dems, There legs were chewed off at the knees.

The bastardization of the citizenry of this great nation will be it's down fall/

The bell tolls for thee.......

HJ


BORDER WARS
I concur with Sam, "Vote for Ron Paul in 2008. Ron Paul is for securing the borders, eliminating anchor babies, and is for a strong dollar and economy. Ron Paul is for re-building our manufacturing base with sound money."
WTW

An observation
From past columns, Linda seems to want to find any excuse to get the political right to embrace amnesty. This time it is to get votes.
Any candidate for any office that wants any form of amnesty will lose my vote.
Ms Chavez, you would be better off peddling this tripe (menudo) somewhere else.

Linda...Get your facts right!
You are wrong to claim that I lost because I stood up for border enforcement and against amnesty for illegals.
My successor actually ran to my right when it came to border issues, and blamed me because I didn't get my "Enforcement First" bill passed!
Likewise, your analysis of "Hispanic precincts" is flawed: in 2004, I lost LD 18 (South Scottsdale and Tempe) even though you claim that I ran "almost even" there, BUT I WON BY A 60-40 MARGIN OVERALL...in 2008, Tempe went totally for my opponent,(the former Tempe Mayor)and Republican turnout was WAY DOWN, because of frustration with the admininstration's pro-amnesty policy, so I lost by four percentage points.
Get a clue, Linda--80 per cent of Americans oppose amnesty, and that includes many voters of Hispanic heritage.

Hispanic extortion?
And I suppose we had better start letting Middle Easterners start flowing across our borders for the same reason. If conservatives insist on stopping potential terrorists from crossing our borders, they might lose the Arab-American vote.

Sound advice Linda - for people who only care about getting elected. Let Hispanics violate our laws and drain our social program budgets, or they'll vote for the other guy? How about letting me break into your house and run off with your new TV, otherwise I won't vote for you in the homeowers association election next week?

Go peddle your extortion elsewhere.

Hispanics are always Pro- Mexican
Our politicians are correct in assuming that every American of Hispanic descent wants the illegals to be permitted to stay, and if they don't allow illegal immigration, they will lose the Hispanic vote. After all, Hispanic Americans don't mind having to compete against the non-tax paying illegals who can undercut tax paying citizens whenever they offer their services to an employer. Nor do they object to their being forced to endure the majority of the imported crime and drugs that the illegals bring into the Hispanic community. Furthermore, no American of Hispanic descent minds having to pay more in taxes to support the massive burden that illegals place on our social service offerings. Hispanic Americans do not mind having a job lost, the crime rate in their neighborhood increased, and taxes wasted if it allows some stranger that just happens to share their racial identity move into the U.S.


Politicians realize that Hispanic Americans are totally willing to sell out their own country in order to benefit hordes of foreigners. The Latino community should be happy that our politicians recognize that all Hispanics are Mexicans at heart, and as such they have no loyalty to the United States whatsoever. Americans of other nationalities are assumed to be true Americans, whereas politicians recognize Hispanics as being forever foreign. Hispanics should be proud to have this reputation bestowed upon them by politicians because it shows that they are of a culture that puts loyalty to distant ancestors above the country and economic system that actually sustains them. Being declared a traitor is a badge of honor when the retention of a racial label is at stake.

As for those few Hispanics that do object to the wave of Mexican illegals that are surging over the borders, well, they are just racists.
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