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Tuesday, June 23, 2009
Larry Kudlow :: Townhall.com Columnist
We Don't Need Big Bang Health Care Reform
by Larry Kudlow
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Why do we need President Obama’s big-bang health-care reform at all? What’s the real agenda here? If it’s really to cover the truly uninsured, a much cheaper, targeted, small-ball approach would do the trick. But on the other hand, maybe the real goal is a larger, ultra-liberal plan aimed at a government takeover of the U.S. health system.

In a recent column, Larry Elder points to an ABC News/USA Today/Kaiser Family Foundation survey that shows 89 percent of Americans are satisfied with their health care. That means up to 250 million people could be happy with their plans. So why is it that we need Obama’s big-bang health-care overhaul in the first place?

In a new Pew Research Center poll, only 41 percent of those surveyed believe the U.S. health-care system needs to be completely rebuilt. In early 1993, when Mr. and Mrs. Clinton started on health-care reform, 55 percent said the system needs a complete overhaul. So something has changed.

In a new CBS/New York Times poll, 38 percent say the economy is the most important problem facing the country, 19 percent say jobs, and only 7 percent say health care. In an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll on the same question, 24 percent say the budget deficit is today’s most worrisome problem while only 11 percent say health care.

There’s more. According to the U.S. Census Bureau we don’t have 47 million folks who are truly uninsured. When you take college kids plus those earning $75,000 or more who choose not to sign up for a health-care plan, roughly 20 million people are removed from the list of uninsured. After that you can remove the 10 million who are not U.S. citizens and the 11 million who are eligible for SCHIP and Medicaid but for some reason have not signed up for those programs.

So that leaves only 10 million to 15 million people among the long-term uninsured.

Yes, they need help. And yes, they should get it. But not with mandatory universal coverage, or new government-backed insurance plans, or massive tax increases. And certainly not with the Canadian-European-style nationalization that has always been the true goal of the Obama administration and congressional Democrats.

Instead, we can give the truly uninsured vouchers or debit cards that will allow for choice and coverage, and even health savings accounts for retirement wealth. According to expert Betsy McCaughey, rather than several trillion dollars and socialized medicine, this voucher approach would cost only $25 billion a year -- with no socialized medicine.

Columnist Peter Robinson, writing for Forbes.com, relates an interview with the late free-market Nobelist Milton Friedman about the inefficiencies of health care. Friedman stated simply and clearly that the cost problems in our system can be traced to the fact that most payments for medical care are made not by the patients who receive the care, but by third parties -- typically employers or government.

"Nobody spends somebody else’s money as wisely as he spends his own," said Friedman. He also fingered the tax code, which allows for an exemption from the income tax only if health care is employer-provided. This is a free-lunch syndrome, one that removes incentives for competition and cost-control because we’re all playing with somebody else’s money. And in the case of Medicare and Medicaid, caregivers have become employees of insurance companies and the government.

A new government-backed insurance system will intensify this free-lunch syndrome. It also will surely lead to a government takeover of what’s left of our private-enterprise system.

But the Democratic agenda has never really been just about the uninsured, has it? And according to the Congressional Budget Office, with a price tag of $1.6 trillion in new spending, it certainly hasn’t been about real cost-cutting or budget restraint. Nor has it been even remotely about true market choice and competition. Nor has it been about tort/trial-lawyer reform, which itself would be a major cost cap.

And let’s not forget a spate of new tax-hike proposals that would sink economic recovery: employer benefit taxes, higher payroll taxes, taxes on soft drinks and alcohol, a VAT tax, or another income-tax hike for successful earners. And remember, existing health-care entitlements are estimated to be roughly $80 trillion in the hole over the decades to come. Wouldn’t it make sense to solve these bankrupt entitlements before we layer on new ones?

So there is a strong suspicion that the Democratic agenda has always been a class-warfare, anti-business attack on private-sector doctors, hospitals, insurance firms, and drug companies. In the name of cost cutting, what’s really going on is a major knockdown of profits. Liberals have always railed against the "excess profits" of insurance firms, drug companies, and physicians.

Knocking down profits and telling people what to do because government planners know best, right? Wrong. Absolutely wrong.

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Besides, Big Redistributive Federal
...programs are unconstitutional. Don't believe me? Then believe that famous con law prof Barack Obama.

Remember his 1992 NPR interview where he lamented that the Constitution was flawed because it prohibited redistribution and economic justice?

But not to worry: The legislature and judiciary could circumvent the Constitution.

There are good reasons the Founders left the federal government with only enumerated powers--and NOT among them was stealing the property of one citizen and giving it to another.

Should we not then help the poor and the needy? You betcha. It's our human obligation to do so. But who should do it?

ANYbody but the federal government.

The Founders understood human nature in ways that escape today's Proud Progressives. It's axiomatic. An unchecked, over-powerful government is a tyrannical government.

Just Say No Obamacare
Need it or not, we simply cannot afford it. Personally, I don't want it.
The govenment is interferring in my life way too much now, thank you very much.

I read an article yesterday that Congress wants to 'bring down' the cost to $999,999,999 so it can be under the trillion dollar mark. Are they NUTS? A rhetorical question to which the answer is a resounding YES they are. And they think we won't notice.

Since when has ANY government program stayed within budget or met cost estimates--keyword here is 'estimates'? Medicare was only supposed to cost a few billion, but quickly ballooned to well over $100 billion within a few years.

Besides, this is not about 'insuring' the unfortunate uninsured. This is about power and control of you by the government. Make no mistake about it.

Besides, if it is such a 'wonderful' plan, why has Congress exempted themselves (and all federal employees)from participation? Evidently the plan is not that great because they want no part of it for themselves, but it is OK for the rest of us peons and we should be 'grateful' for the inferior plan they are intent on jamming down our throats. Evidently they are "better and/or more deserving' than the rest of us. While they get the finest care available, we'll be waiting in line or denied care outright.

OOPS!
My post should have indicated $999,999,999,999.

Healthcare easily fixable
Everyone should expect this from democrats. The only government program that liberals are against is oddly (or not so oddly) the only that actually allows for upward mobility: the United States Military. It has done more to improve poverty in the United States than all other government programs combined.

Healthcare: The easily solvable issue. If you are a capitalist or if you have common sense any inefficiencies are a result of uncapitalistic tendencies in a market. Government should be a force to enforce/repair uncapitalistic market flaws. In Healthcare it is the bigger companies can crowd out the small guys. Big insurance can negotiate prices, the small guy can't. So the inevitable happened. Deliberate price inflation to create more barriers of entries the bigger guys can get bigger. Big guys love lawsuits Big guys love price increase because this equals higher barrier of entry. The solution is simple. Don't allow anyone to negotiate prices and while breaking up big medical companies. Fix malpractice because that is another form of market inefficiency.

All societal problems are easily solvable. Until politicians enter and do the exact opposite that is necessary. It's almost as if they want to kill the entrepenuaer spirit so large companies with lobbyists groups can have free reign.

Barack Obama: Forked Tongue
Did you hear BO just now, saying that ObamaCare would not add to the deficit; we would get the money by eliminating inefficiencies?

Oh, if only that were so...but it won't be.

"On the other hand" there was that multi-billion $$ "downpayment" and his allusions to tax hikes, especially forcing workers to now pay taxes on their employer-provided health benefits!!!!

Classic Obama: Mutually contradictory statements, often in the same speech. Something for everyone to hear to lull us into believing that everything is going to be just georgie-peachy-keen.

Kudlow
"We don't need big bang health care reform."

Yes we do.

Liberal Oath
Attention all liberals:

Raise your right hand and repeat after me:

"I liberal, do solemnly swear from now on, that the next time I walk into my hair salon and find out my hair stylist is out for vacation, that I will pay her salary while she is gone."

You would never agree to this, but you have no problem wanting all of us in the top 1% of income earners to pay for 47 million people's health care.


It Is OUR White House

Obama only lives there.

The daily press conference, basically, called out Obama on his spending, borrowing, health care, foreign policy, tax spending, arrogance and more. It was not pretty.

When Obama knocks the Far Left reporter Chuck Todd for INSUBORDINANCE, then you know that the bloom is off of rose.

Maine is passing an across the board tax cut.

Vermont wants to secede.

Obama is not a King, but he does know IRE.

Ouck Obama

Prices
for health care services, or any service for that matter, will never come down as long as the gov't forcefully divorces the consumer from negotiating the payment.

Clinton/Obama's Health Plan
Clinton's original health plan included a clause that stated that all possessions of anyone who broke any part of the health plan would be subject to confiscatio to "pay for the administation of the plan".

In his plan there were two conflicting clauses. If you obeyed one, you automatically broke the other. No choice about it. You were at fault.

When questioned by Congress about this, he stated that the clauses were there to prevent anyone from causing the government problems. Without any possessions, particularly money, people could not create a problem. He also stated he would veto any program that did not include these clauses.

Beware of Obama's Health Plan. Anyone care to bet that these clauses will not be in it? I need the money.

Liberalism = Ed McMahon

When it comes to economics.

One Word
Power. That's all it's about.

If he doesn't
socialize health care, it will be much more difficult for him to impose his lifestyle upon us. He want's to punish us for driving a big car, or eating too much, drinking soda, living unhealthy. He wants this to be HIS business. This is all about control.

The new plan
To pay for this is to tax employer health care benefits, but the unions got their panties in a knot so now everyone but the unions have to pay tax on their health plans. What do you bet this will fly?

David
Of course it is about control and computerized medical records is nothing more than a way of knowing every aspect of your private life. One big power grab.

Obama, The Janus
He says that all people will get free health care, but he cannot.

He says that all those making under $95K will not pay taxes, but he lies.

He says that the US should not meddle in Iranian internal affairs, he is a moron and a young woman died buried alive.

He said that we should dialogue with North Korea, but they are ready to nuke Hawaii and Alaska.

He has begged communist China (which employes slave labor) for money, but was laughed at by the country.

He gave $150bn to the IMF, but Russia and Brazil have purchashed gold.

He won Vermont, but they now want to secede.

He said that Global Warning is a crisis, but Fat Al Gore is unable to explain why New Jersey froze in June.

Obama Lied And People DIED.

I love conspiracy theories.
No, really I do.

Maths
47 - 20 - 10 - 11 = 6

Why does Larry say 10 to 15?

What needs fix?
That is where I am confused. What exactly needs fixed with our health care system?
Are the Hospitals in bad disrepair rampant throughout the country? Seems that repairing hospitals, even private ones would fall under infrastructure to me. Plenty of money already approved for those kind of projects isn't there. In fact, where I live, rural SW Pennsylvania almost every hospital I can think of in the region has just finished or is in the process of massive remodeling jobs.
Poor and shabby equipment? Perhaps not that. There are a lot of great corporations out there manufacturing top notch medical equipment.
The quality and skill of the doctors and nurses perhaps? From personal experience and from testimony of others around the country. We have the best of the best in this nation.
Medical research and innovation in treatment and care then? No, wait. I can think of many places, most part of state universities that are on the cutting edge of all that stuff.
So what exactly needs fixed?
Insurance. Plenty of companies around that offer various plans. And if you can't afford insurance because of your income level. There are numerous government programs already in place.
So again I ask, What needs fixed?

Stunning analysis Tammy...
Kudlow
"We don't need big bang health care reform."

Tammy
"Yes we do. "

You've got to give her credit for so eloquently parroting Obama's "Yes we can" mantra. After all, the only thing necessary to motivate a liberal is a snazzy catch phrase. Who needs logic, thoughtful deliberation, an analysis of the facts, or an exploration of the consequences? Wow.

The Uninsured
The last thing we should do is give the uninsured a debit card to pay for their healthcare. First of all, who ever guaranteed healthcare for everyone. Secondly, if the poor knew how to manage and make money they probably would not be in need of help to begin with. What is needed is a national identity card that is super difficult to forge. If you need free healthcare at least we know who you are and that you are legally in this country.

THE LEFT GOAL
To make at least 51% of all US workers government, union employees who will always vote democrap.

Where is Big Business?
Government is only going to step in when the private sector fails to get the job done. Where is big business? Why haven't business leaders across the nation gotten together and work on this problem? It appears that business leaders WANT the government to step in and offer a Medicare/Medicaid-type of plan. Big business wants to push the rising healthcare insurance costs onto someone else! The GOP is the party of big business. Why the inaction, GOP?

WHAT WE DON'T NEED
We DO NOT need to "Change" Health Care. We have the BEST Health Care in the World.
It's the 'Costs' that need to be reformed. We are captive to an industry we cannot do without and because Insurance Companies and Providers are all in kahoots because they know they don't have to 'compete' as long as they all set similar astronomical prices. This is 'price-fixing' and a violation of federal anti-trust statutes.
The government can break up monopolies. Health Insurance Companies and Providers are all under the the same one Monopoly umbrella of Health Care delivery. Government can and should intervene as it can and does with monopolies, but NOT BY taking over control and the running of our Health Care System. If government does take over, instituting Socialized Medicine, our wagons will be 'fixed' instead and we'll be taxed to DEATH long before we get any care we've paid dearly for.

It's not just for uninsured
Many insured people go bankrupt too because of the redonkulous costs or are denied coverage by their insurance people. Conservative heads remain in the sand when it comes to healthcare unless one of these issues faces them.

Not In My Backyard Backlash !

Americans Are Giving The Finger To Obama's Alinsky Care.

Go Sell It In Chicago , Talky Mouth !

anglers reward
There is one flaw with what you say. there are I believe 1300 different health insurance companies throughout the country. So apparently you need to go back and do some research on what a monopoly is. It can only be a monopoly if one single company controls everything. Yet you are apparently willing to let the government impose its own monopoly on medical insurance.
While you are at that, refer to my previous post about what needs fixed.

Conservative Health Care Solutions !

1.Competition

2.Accountability

3.Choice

4.Personal Responsibility

SCOTT IN PA
The Monopoly I referred to was the UMBRELLA covering all the 1300 health insurance companies and the thousands of providers. They are all under ONE health care delivery system which is a monopoly. You are right, though, our government is the largest monopoly of all.

IN THE BEGINNING
THE BIG BANG

AT THE END

A BLACK HOLE

And that's where our Country and the American people are being 'herded' to.

Tammy, I know you can't count
but these are the stats:

c. 46,000,000 lack health insurance:

1) 70% of the uninsured are between ins.’s and do not lack coverage for a year
2) 20% are illegals
3) 10% are chronically unemployable or homeless, or otherwise MIA socially (and that’s a high figure as the homeless have never come in above 3 million in any real count).

Of the above:
33% live in households earning over at least $50,000 a year and elect not to buy ins.
25% are between 18 and 35 and deliberately do not cover themselves. Their med. exp. average c. $1000 a year out of pocket.
34% are children eligible for Medicaid or SCHIPS, but are not registered. They can be treated for small or greater med. problems at any emergency room, which is what the uninsured usually elect to do.

The costs for 2009 for emergency room care for the uninsured was $1658 a person or $86 billion. BUT THAT’S A LOT CHEAPER THAN THE $1.6 TRILLION PROPOSED BY KING ELECT O AND MINIONS.

The Office of the Budget predicts BEST CASE $1.6 trillion, but John McCain says that cost will be minimally $3 TRILLION.

Regardless, with the $1 TRILLION stimulus and $1.6 TRILLION deficit, there is no money.

Overall it would be cheaper, less invasive of privacy, less crippling of America medical services just to give tax credits of $1600 to each uninsured for the usually one year they are uninsured.


Where Are the References?
How can you verify how much of this is correct if you don't have references cited? Or, are do you just accept it because Kudlow wrote it?

Mr. President, Finish The Offer
Upon retirement I built a successful freelance writing service. Since I worked in government for almost 17 years I now retain in my state's retirement system a pension, vision, dental and the finest medical benefits conceivable for both my wife and I for life. Now, as always in today's speech, Mr. Obama assures me that if I choose, I may retain my plan versus being swept into his Federal Plan. Fine with me, so let's put language in the plan that existing coverage will always be up to me signing off on going to another plan. I have received forms in the past from my government superiors stating exactly that. A new vendor is available if you wish. Achieving total security on health care in private industry should Obama succeed with a cheaper Federal option will be difficult. Retired from government, I wish to be advised in writing that my state cannot shift me arbitrarily or by citing fiscal shortcomings.
Government assumes the powers of taxation.
Jay R

Look Behind The Curtain
at the people who backed this guy financially. All billionaires. All con artists. All evil people to the core.

Peter Lewis (Progressive Insurance)
Barry and Marion Sandler - bankers/con artists
Steven Bing (hollyweird producer)
Soros..need I say more?

These are the top 5 political contributors to Obama.

You can thank these folks for everything that is happening to this country. And we if get stuck with socialized health care...you'll know who to call.


Obama Loses, Again.

The MSM has started to turn on him.

The WSJ poll has Obama down 15% by Indepedents because of his insane spending, foreign policy, energy killers, taxes, health care, and blah, blah, blah.

Obama's favorability is going the way of Ed McManon.

To Tim
Problems you don't address:

1) Person who chooses to have no health insurance because he'd rather spend his money for cigarettes, online gambling, and very large TV sets. When he gets a burst appendix > peritonitis or gets in a motorcycle crash and busts his a**, he can't pay the $80K bill out of pocket so he puts it on his VISA, can't pay that either, goes bankrupt. Multiply him x manymany people > big problem in US.

2) Person who loved having health insurance but loses it when he gets laid off; find new job that either doesn't offer insurance or does offer it but won't cover him because his wife or kid has a "pre-existing condition" eg diabetic wife or kid with spina bifida.

3) Person with Medicaid who has no regular doctor or clinic but takes every little problem to emergency room, where everything costs much more $$$. (I once heard a woman say "If the baby's cold ain't better by tomorrow I'm going to catch a ambulance to the emergency room", verbatim quote.)

I laugh hysterically every time one of you-all conservatives posts the brilliant idea that we should all pay medical costs out-of-pocket. YOU DON'T KNOW. I have an ill husband. His care is superb and so is our medical insurance, thank God, because the statements I get from Blue Cross would make you faint. This week, $1,334 lab work from a single blood draw. Your mantra that paying medical bills out-of-pocket shows self-reliance is BS: I am of the generation that says self-reliance means you get a job with good medical insurance. And please drop that silly idea that it's a freebie: our medical insurance premiums cost us $7200 a year.

More extortion
I am surprised that noone is objecting to Obama's layrdy strongatm extortion of drug companies announced Monday, They coughed up promises worth 80B, more evidence that O has no idea how business works.

To renny
Two points:

1) Illegal immigrants get sick too. No society will tolerate a law that goes against its cultural values. We have a value that a child with appendicitis, an old person with pneumonia, and a woman in labor should not be turned into the streets, regardless of immigration status. Also, historically, epidemics of contagious disease began in neighborhoods of the very poor and then spread to where the "nice people" lived, so be careful what you wish for because a population of unvaccinated illegal immigrants can make YOU sick and very sick.

2) Re the homeless, another group you seem not to associate with medical care, many of them are chronically mentally ill and but for the state hospital closings of the 1970's would not now be living in the park. Nations more civilized than ours have these unfortunate folk living in government apartments, working at sheltered jobs, and supervised by government social workers (I know, you think that is "tyranny"; the rest of the world thinks it's common sense and compassion). They are medicated (so they won't be delusional and will be better mentally organized and more functional in their daily lives), and the pills they get and the psychiatrists who treat them are paid for with government health plans.

To David
Actually it is OUR business if you eat too much, get too fat, smoke too much, don't exercise, ride your motorcycle without a helmet, drive too fast, and have a heart attack, a stroke, diabetes, gout, emphysema, accident, brain injury, or cancer as a result. Because WE end up paying for your medical care. We don't even have to wait for a tax-supported health plan---this is happening already. If you have private insurance, our premiums are higher because we share your risk. If you don't, our hospital bills are higher because the hospital is required by law to treat you and they defray part of the cost by jacking up the cost of everything that goes to other patients' private insurance. Those crazy high numbers you can see on your hospital bill---just request an itemized copy---are the result of hospitals needing to recoup the cost of treating the uninsured. This has been covered on 60 Minutes about a zillion times over the past 30 years.

To KG
The Constitution allows the Congress to levy taxes and redistribute the tax money as it sees fit. Taxation is not theft. It's just taxation. It's been going on for some time. When Mary and Joseph had to stop over unexpectedly and overnight in a stable, they were on their way to town to pay their taxes. Remember, "There went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed..."?

Taxation is the price of civilization. A patriotic American should be proud to pay his taxes. Aren't you embarrassed to sound so greedy? If you drive, you use streets and roads. If you fly, you use the Air Traffic Control system. If you have a boat, in many waters you use the Coast Guard. You use national parks and forests and seashores and municipal parks, playgrounds, and zoos. You cross bridges. You call the Fire Department and the police. When you are old and can no longer drive a car, you take a bus or train. You have the option of sending your kids to school for a free education (which is how most of us posting here learned to read and write).

To texas tea party
Judging from the level of education shown in a lot of townhall posts, I seriously doubt that many of them are made by people in the top 1% of income-earners. No need to worry there.

To Jason
Are you sure about that? I've read that the honor goes to the GI Bill, which sent so many veterans to college, over the years, that it greatly expanded the middle class (sociologists say that a college degree is the ticket from lower class to middle class in the USA). With the greatly increased spending power of GI Bill-educated Americans, the program had a huge effect on our national economy.

The other night, posting something about the GI Bill, I happened to think of a man I knew more than fifty years ago when he was a medical intern. He had been an Army medic, liked the work, and used GI bill for college and medical school. He had an unusual name so was easy to google and I quickly found him. He is currently retiring from his job as head of a department at a major medical school, has published many medical books and articles, and has taught two generations of young doctors. Sounds to me like the government made a good investment there.

lilly
Regardless of what you think. How much a person eats, whether they exercise, and much of what you said actually is none of your business. Frank you sound like a fascist in your rantings.

Why do We Need Big-Bang?
Becasue the current Health care system dose not work. It is broken. Its more than covering the uninsured. It is protecting the insured as well as controlling costs. Mr. Kudlow dosen't get it.

Health care Ins companies are concerned for their profits, not their customers well being:

They only insure the healthy, They drop you once you make a large claim, they look for loopholes not to pay your claims,and they raise your premiums.

According to another NYT/CBS poll last Sunday, 60% of Americans want some type of public/National health care and they are willing to pay more taxes for it.

My health coverage through my employer is deteriorating. But my premiums went up, my deductable went up, and my insurance does not cover the full Doctor bill. I am responsible for the difference.

The drug companies, insurance companies and the AMA are making good money off of this system and they are pouring millions into lobbyist to keep the status quo. You folks here on TH are doing their bidding.

Politicians are a predictable lot...
...especially the most ambitious among them, who always want to write themselves into the history books with "something big".

Simply cutting spending (with the proverbial, yet to be seen scalpel), drilling for oil, & creating all kinds of new jobs in the energy industry is not enough for Obama. Nor is standing back and doing nothing while the economy comes roaring back on its own.

He has to SPEND a LOT of money on something... anything.

President Bush - of whom Obama is a vocal critic - liberated millions and millions of people, after all.

Democrats NEVER get aggressive on foreign policy... they're utter weanies. That leaves domestic issues.

So if there isn't a crisis, they invent one.

Cheaper, more affordable alternatives have been offered. But those alternatives don't lead to greater government control or involve spending on a massive scale.

Which is why the O-Team won't even consider them.

Take 2 asprin & pass on the soc. med.
In Washington State lawmakers have already made it a requirement that insurance companies cover mental health issues. This kind of regulation, along with perhaps loosening statutes of limitation on lawsuits (as Congress did with employee discrimination suits) could break what is not now broken.

Now what I wonder about is who will pay for the malpractice cases of gov't run hospitals and insurance providers? You just can't win there!

Gary
Who needs logic, thoughtful deliberation, an analysis of the facts, or an exploration of the consequences? Wow.

****
This subject has been discussed ad naseum. You
still believe that we don't need NHC and I do.
I am just letting Kudlow know that there a
a great number of people who believe in it. It
is one of the main reasons why Obama was elected.

Here we go!
What?! Obama was elected because the US is clamoring for Nationalized Health Care?

That is silly. The market lost 900 points in one day and the public paniced. But only after an unnatural, cruel and unusual punishment of a two year long election, which was required to sell this Chicago politician-- who was elected there by eliminating his opponents from the ballot! (Takes breath!) And even then it wasn't a wash for the Marxist!

Obamacare is a massive tax increase
Folks, there is already a federal run healthcare: it's called MEDICARE! According to our own government's study, 20% of Medicare spending is wasted on FRAUD. It has also been determined that with the baby boomers retiring, the system will be run out of money sooner than expected; no one can really say when the system will eventually go bankrupt. It was quite ominous that this year the govt. released a report that for the first time in Medicare's history, the system paid out more than it collected. These are indicators that our govt. is incompetent and wasteful in managing and operating it's own agencies. Obamacare is just another govt. grab of a private enterprise that will cause a massive tax increase that would put the worst financial strain in an almost bankrupt national treasury.

Greed for power and money
can infect anyone and the ruling mullahs are not exempt. This greed propels them to use violence to control the Iranian people so that they can stay in power. The fact that the ruling mullahs are supposed to be men of God makes their greed all the more evil. That they can continuously invoke Go's name while ordering their goons to kill people should be condemned by every nation who values human life. The rallies were not about Mousavi, it was about a basic human rights of a people who have been oppressed and denied liberty.

stedes

You are correct the system is broken.

Now who broke it?


The Government!!!

So why do you trust them to fix it?

Let The Mob Run Government

Liberals are complete idiots when it comes to economics.

So, some will give their money! HA!

Yes, that will pay for the ~800,000 doctors to treat ~305mn people and the untold amount of money that doctors have to pay for med-mal insurance.

No country will loan us money, gold is at a premium, and ink for the Federal Reserve is running low.

Personally, I know of several doctors, who will set up practice in other countries or medical ships. Heck! I know of a private clinic in a posh area of Southern Mexico where US doctors have clinics because the treatments, which have been prove successful, have been denied by the FDA.

And, now we are supposed to believe that ObamaCare will pay when the CBO, "Pay-Go", and nonparisan think tanks say that it will not.

Read about the "Slow Burn Theory" by Catherine Austin Fitts, who predicts that on a 1 to 10 scale as to whether we will experience another Great Depression is a low 3.

Try reading Gerald Celente.

And, peruse http://www.williamhenry.net/

Both Parties are corrupt and have acted unconstitutionally.

Let the Mob run the government because it will do so effectively and let the government run the Mob because it will f*ck everything up.

When New Hampshire wants to cut taxes across the board and Vermont wants to seceed, you have to wonder whatever happened to the Southern Strategy.

The Republic of Texas, anyone?

To Lilly
Get a life, you junkie.

reform
We the people pay all taxes, and we are the only ultimate source of all tax revenue. Regardless where government initially collects it, all tax money ultimately comes from us, the people.
Since we the people are the one and only source of all tax revenue:
There should be only one tax to collect all tax revenue.
It should be a single, simple, fair, direct, graduated, individual, full-income tax levied on living persons for each level of government: One Tax and Done.
You cannot convince a person or corporation to start a new business or expand an existing business, increase jobs, and hire new employees, when you tax away the capitol he is using to operate his PRESENT business
The best thing that government can do to help the country, the people, and even government, is to repeal all of the many hundreds, or thousands of existing taxes, fees, and charges. These taxes are the federal deficit. These taxes are the high price of everything. These tax eliminations are spending cuts. Every tax that is eliminated is a tax that we the people no longer have to pay. These taxes are the difference between the price we pay for health care and everything else, and the price we would pay if these taxes were repealed. Eliminating these taxes will remove them from the price paid for everything by everyone.
One Tax and Done will provide many benefits to all, even government:
One Tax and Done will reduce the price paid for everything by one-third.

ObamaCare - Kenyan Style
Get ready for 3rd-world health care America! For a refreshing dose of Obama-bashing, go here http://www.theblacksphere.net! You will laugh your butt off!

Just a Suggestion
Why don't we put all uninsured the government is so worried about on government insurance? It is the cheapest and one of the best in the nation. The government simply pays the premiums. It would cost far less than what Obama wants and it would give these people the insurance they say they need.

Of course, that would also keep the government out of the health care business and out of our business and it would prevent the creation of a new government agency. And that is the real reason they want the health care program.

MAGICAL THINKING DONT WORK
Lets consider a few FACTS that Libs like Loony Lilly can not and will never get:
1: The ultimate agenda of our Socialist Government IS National Health Care. This is a system Ive had the misfortune to live under and seen 2 friends die from. It provides MEDIOCRE to NON EXISTENT care for the masses at outrageous cost.

2: There is NO light at the end of the Economic Tunnel that our “messiah” would have us believe. Our nation is heading for ECONOMIC MELTDOWN based on the false theory we can spend our way out of the problem.

Ultimately there will be no money to support a health care system that does not and has never worked well in the first place. So what’s the answer? Those with the financial resources to survive the coming meltdown will still have private insurance. The less fortunate, including 12 – 20 Million here Illegally, will be SOL. Perhaps it will induce them to return home to die and dissuade others from coming here. So YES; people will die for lack of medical attention? Too bad. But this is what you get when government’s only “solution” to solve an economic mega-disaster is to print more “paper” to throw at the problem in the delusional fantasy that when the folks in DC pull their heads out of their collective butts the problem will have disappeared. Sorry, but this kind of “Magical Thinking” DONT WORK.

18wheeler
"1: The ultimate agenda of our Socialist Government IS National Health Care. This is a system Ive had the misfortune to live under and seen 2 friends die from. It provides MEDIOCRE to NON EXISTENT care for the masses at outrageous cost. "

Do tell us where you were living or your friends
were living when they died because of the local
medicine. If it is any place other than
Moldova or Congo P.R., I am not buying it.

I would think that those people who would
calll them 18Wheelers wouldn't be such big
sissies. Liars, perhaps, but not sissies.
What is the matter, are you afraid of change?

Renny:
I think that you need to read your own figures'
source better. And what do you think you have
gained by saying "I know you can't count."

***
1) 47 million is not the most recent figure.
it is higher now and going up by at least a
million every year.

2) Your comment on 20% being illegals is
wrong. That is roughly the figure of Hispanics without insurance. Hispanics
does not equal illegals.

3) the 70% figure is also incorrect. The
statement was made that between 2006-2007
70% of the population was without insurance
for at least some time. It doesn't mean
that it was the only time they were uninsured.
For some it was temporary but by no means all
got re-insured within a year.

4) 33% of the households are from families
that make over $50,000 but the "elect not
to buy in." Very few people with families
elect to forgo insurance. They cannot afford
it, even at $50,000.00 or they cannot get it
for existing health reasons.

5) You are talking like the people who run
to the emergency room and the total health
plan bill are one in the same. If everyone
went to the emergency room just once a year,
under present costs, the bill would be
$500 trillion.

6) Yes, the government is out of money, but
then the government isn't paying this bill.
We are. Like Social Security. Of course,
the government has been raiding Social Security forever. That is why SS is in
trouble, or soon will be. I have no problem
with burning them at the stake if they do
that to Medicare and our soon to be NHC.

7) Speaking of knowing your numbers, I do
hope that you know that covering everyone is
cheaper per person than covering some.





Jobs?
Obama is drooling over the idea of a 'single payer' system, whether he admits it now or not. There is plenty of evidence that this is what he and his cronies in congress want. So, should he do that, what exactly is going to happen to the tens of thousands (I believe more than 100,000) people who have good, honest jobs for the US insurance industry? These people do everything from answering emails to helping patients who have simple questions? Obama is being a typical rose colored glasses liberal, only if government took care of everyone, things would be fine. They never consider the consequences, like another 0.5% jump in the unemployment base, and then factor in all the support and other industries that feed the insurance industry. It's all about ugly profits, right? Fraking moron.

Sic Semper Tyrannis
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