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Tuesday, March 17, 2009
Larry Kudlow :: Townhall.com Columnist
The AIG Outrage
by Larry Kudlow
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This whole AIG fiasco -- where the entire political class is suddenly screaming over bonuses paid to derivative traders in AIG’s financial-products division -- is just a complete farce. What it really shows is how the government has completely bungled the AIG takeover. Blame the Bush administration and the Obama administration. It also shows, once again, why the government shouldn’t run anything, because it cannot run anything.

AIG should have been placed in bankruptcy last fall under some sort of government sponsorship. While in bankruptcy, all the salary contracts (and every other AIG contract) would have been nullified and voided. At the same time, there would have been an orderly liquidation and sale of AIG’s assets and separate divisions.

But as things stand now, there still is no clear roadmap for the dissolution of AIG. There are ideas, but nothing is set in concrete.

And as for the $165 million or so in AIG bonus payments, the Obama administration -- including the president, Treasury man Tim Geithner, and economic adviser Larry Summers -- knew all about them many months ago. They were undoubtedly informed of this during the White House transition.

So there’s no big surprise. Nobody should be shocked. But President Obama is doing his best play-acting ever. He knows full well that the nationwide outcry against federal bailouts and takeovers is only going to get worse on his watch. His poll numbers are already falling, and this AIG episode is going to pull them down more.

Incidentally, has anybody asked Team Obama why it is more than willing to break mortgage contracts with a bankruptcy-judge cram-down, but won’t cram-down compensation agreements for AIG, despite the fact that the U.S. government owns the company? Kind of odd, don’t you think?

The Wall Street Journal editors get it right when they ask: Who’s in charge and what’s the game plan? The whole AIG story is an outrage.

What’s more, AIG is acting as a conduit for taxpayer money that is being sent to dozens of derivative counterparties, including foreign banks and American banks like Goldman Sachs. If we’re going to bail out all these other firms, why not bail them out in full taxpayer view? Why is the money being laundered furtively through AIG? And where exactly is the end game for AIG? How are the taxpayers going to be repaid?

And what is Treasury man Geithner’s role in all this? He appears to be the biggest bungler in what has become a massive bungling. My CNBC friend and colleague Charlie Gasparino thinks Geithner can’t survive this. I am inclined to agree.

Nevertheless, behind the furor over AIG, there is some good news to report on the banking front. This week’s decision by the Federal Accounting Standards Board (FASB) to allow cash-flow accounting rather than distressed last-trade mark-to-market accounting will go a long way toward solving the banking and toxic-asset problem.

Many experts believe mortgage-backed securities and other toxic assets are being serviced in a timely cash-flow manner for at least 70 cents on the dollar. This is so important. Under mark-to-market, many of these assets were written down to 20 cents on the dollar, destroying bank profits and capital. But now banks can value these assets in economic terms based on positive cash flows, rather than in distressed markets that have virtually no meaning.

Actually, when the FASB rules are adopted in the next few weeks, it will be interesting to see if a pro forma re-estimate of the last year reveals that banks have been far more profitable and have much more capital than this crazy mark-to-market accounting would have us believe.

Sharp-eyed banking analyst Dick Bove has argued that most bank losses have been non-cash -- i.e., mark-to-market write-downs. Take those fictitious write-downs away and you are left with a much healthier banking picture. This is huge in terms of solving the credit crisis.

In a column last week I suggested that not one more dime of government money is necessary for the banks. Instead, the marriage of the cash-flow valuation of bank assets and the upward-sloping Treasury yield curve will do the trick. Net interest margins are rising as banks purchase money for near-zero interest and loan it out at profitable rates. And the new mark-to-market reform will allow banks to hold their toxic assets for several more years and work them out -- just as they did back in the 1990s.

We don’t need more TARP. We don’t need to take over more big banks. And we don’t need to have the government run things it simply isn’t capable of running.

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Dodd Amendment
I thought Chris Dodd exempted any bonuses in the latest bailout funds. He said it was okay to pay anything before February 2009, didn't he?

D.C. Sign: TERMITES AT WORK
I wish we were getting this kind of clarity, professionalism, and knowledge of the markets from the White House. Unfortunately, the sophomores are running amok in D.C. and the seniors will have to clear up the mess in the future. Let's hope it's ASAP because the academic professors are proving why they are needed so badly in the classroom where they will cause less damage to the economy and the country.

Why all the fuzz
It tells us what kind of crooks we have voted for!

Government Ownership of Business
The biggest problem with the bailouts is that government money comes with government oversight and expressed or implied government control. The government, not business owners, are now determining who gets paid and how much and what and how businesses spend on promotion.

Do you want Barney Frank or Dick Cheney running your businesses? Do you want the same people who have accumulated a $10 trillion debt to make decisions for your business?

AIG
I think this bonus trick reveals one thing that should be clear, they need to be deserved. They have nothing that resembles a successful capitalistic instinct. In the future when one company gets so large, that its failure spells done for the whole, we must T.R. it. Halliberton must emmidiatley be put on the chopping block.

deserved should read
dissolved. Internets doing funny things today.

pay them in AIG stock
'Audacity of hope' right up there with-
'Bonus for lying, thieving hypocrisy'..
Gee, that sounds like Congress getting a pay raise. They need to rename Washington as 'bottomless pit'. Money goes in but never comes back. If our leaders had any backbone they would say 'Hell No'!!
Since nobody is really listening to the simpleminded tax payers..nothing is going to happen. In a few weeks it'll be old news. We'll grumble a little and keep on struggling our way toward oblivion. UNLESS...GRASSROOTS ACTION.
The American people will pull us out of this mess..always have..always will, inspite of Big Gov't.

Too Late & Too Damn Bad.

Tim Geithner, according to the NY Slimes, created the AIG bailout last fall. He knew about the retention bonuses and the date when the contracts would trigger the payments. Secondly, Chris Dodd added an amendment to the Stimulus bill that exempted all bonuses for employees, who work for companies that received TARP funds. Congress knew about it.

If Obama, Reid, Dodd, Frank, et al, think that they can create a new tax that would retroactively tax only the AIG bonuses, they had better get ready for a constitutional battle.

SCOTUS has previously ruled that such cannot be done. First, any ex post facto laws, which are formulated, enacted, or operating retroactively are prohibited. In U.S. Constitutional Law, the definition of what is ex post facto is more limited. The first definition of what exactly constitutes an ex post facto law is found in Calder v Bull (3 US 386 [1798]). Secondly, such an action by Congress would be a bill of attainder. In the context of the Constitution, a Bill of Attainder is meant to mean a bill that has a negative effect on a single person or group (for example, a fine or term of imprisonment).

Finally, Connecticut, where the cases would be tried, has punitive damages and would allow for the employees to get double the amount of the bonuses in damages.

Pols' Crocodile Tears - I

Senator Barack Obama received a $101,332 bonus from American International Group in the form of political contributions according to Opensecrets.org. The two biggest Congressional recipients of bonuses from the A.I.G. are - Senators Chris Dodd and Senator Barack Obama.

http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000123

The A.I.G. Financial Products affiliate of A.I.G. gave out $136,928, the most of any AIG affiliate, in the 2008 cycle. I would note that A.I.G.’s financial products division is the unit that wrote trillions of dollars’ worth of credit-default swaps and “misjudged” the risk.

The Washington Post reports a “mob effect” at A.I.G financial products division:

A tidal wave of public outrage over bonus payments swamped American International Group yesterday. Hired guards stood watch outside the suburban Connecticut offices of AIG Financial Products, the division whose exotic derivatives brought the insurance giant to the brink of collapse last year. Inside, death threats and angry letters flooded e-mail inboxes. Irate callers lit up the phone lines. Senior managers submitted their resignations. Some employees didn’t show up at all.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/0 3/16/AR2009031602961.html

re: jerseyvet
The appropriate sign for Washington would be
"Idiots, Liars, and Thieves at Work."

Pols' Crocodile Tears

With the anger and rage that is being exhibited against A.I.G., perhaps the bonuses Obama received from A.I.G. explain Obama’s A.I.G crocodile tears.

http://www.examiner.com/x-268-Right-Side-Politics-Examiner~ y2009m3d17-Obamas-AIG-crocodile-tears

Now that the Wall street Journal has revealed that A.I.G. paid bonuses of $1 million or more to 73 employees, it’s time to ask if recipients of A.I.G. “bonuses,” including President Obama, will give back what now ought to be taxpayer money?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123730459869257121.html?mod =djemalertNEWS

Denise
Sorry, but your source is not honest. Obama got zero bonuses from them.

But, as a testament to Obama's capitalistic roots, Obama got campaign contributions from several wallstreet businesses and AIG, so did McCain.



Athens Bob is back from breakfast
Did you enjoy being shown to be a complete liar last night Wobbie? Another one of your fantasies completely exposed as fraudulent by several posters.

If you think your points to Denise carry a single grain of credibility, you are as mistaken as any one person could ever be.

Ya see Wobbie, you are the court jester here, the puerile nit wit.

Are you ever an embarassment to the liberal cause. Wow.

Keep posting,please.

The Dodd Amendment to the "Stimulus"

THE DODD AMENDMENT grandfathering in the AIG bonuses was in the so-called "Stimulus" Bill.

Geithner and Obama both knew about it.


The "Stimulus" Bill was pushed by Reid...pushed by Pelousy...and pushed down our throats by Obama who claimed that it had to get passed RIGHT AWAY!!!

The Democrat Congress and His Husseiness did not make it available until the night before it was rammed through Congress. 100% of Democrats in Congress voted to pass it...NOW they all act like this bonus is an outrage?

This belongs right in the laps of Christopher Dodd (who authored the Dodd amendment), Timmy "The Tool" Geithner, and oh yes, Barack Hussein Obama.

Blarney Fwank, Schumer "The Crook", and all the rest of the Demagogues can act like they are outraged...

...all you Obama-worshipping idiots who thought you were going to really have some "hope" with your "change" are the ones who ought to be outraged.

Denise
After hearing Buffets legendary quote "Financial weapons of mass destruction", I did read up on them and been having nightmare ever since :-)

Don't get me wrong, I am not in full support of the bail outs. I am just unsure of the full effects of defaulting on all these credit default swaps. Just what happens to the "credit ratings" of the US? Would any country even buy a US T-Bill?

They estimate their are around $50 trillion of CDS around the globe in a intertwined mess. It seems that the mega banks are all connected by sharing the risk via CDSs. If AIG sinks, how many banks will it pull down with them?

So when you say "federal government has NO reason to EVER get involved in private enterprise", I do have my reservations.

The CDS market was never regulated and in fact, they were never traded on the open market. Nobody really knows the extent of the volume of CDS in the financial world.

Just making conversation and trying to understand..


Kudlow Knows No Shame!
Today, March 17, 2009

“AIG should have been placed in bankruptcy last fall under some sort of government sponsorship.”

Then, September 27, 2008

“Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is the man of the hour. This weekend he drew a clear line in the sand: no more federal bailouts. Not for Lehman Brothers. Not for global insurer AIG. Not for Merrill Lynch. Not for anyone.

It was a gutsy decision for the former Wall Street bigwig -- and one that he had to step back from when it became clear that the collapse of AIG would be catastrophic and government intervention was necessary.”

Six months ago, Kudlow cheered his buddy Paulson's decision to bail out AIG. Today, he claims it should not have been bailed out but rather put into bankruptcy.

Has Kudlow really forgotten what he wrote just six months ago, or is he just a complete fraud?

Including Kudlow himself, I sometimes think that I am the only person in the world who actually keeps track of what this jerk writes!

http://townhall.com/columnists/LawrenceKudlow/2008/09/16/pa ulsons_courageous_action

Thank you Mr. Kudlow
....for explaining some of this mess. I read your last article too, it was very informative.

I'm cynical. I think these bonuses are paybacks. I think they tried to get away with doing this over a weekend and got busted. Now they're feigning shock, but nothing will be done to recoup that cash. There may be a couple scapegoats, but that will just be for show.

They do pick and choose which contracts they keep and which ones they break. It's very odd.

What I Would Do
I wish I were one of the AIG bonus recipients. I'd make a Youtube video of me holding my deposit slip(s) for the money and mocking Senator Schumer and the other criminals in congress for their meaningless boasts and threats.

Actually, before I did this I'd seduce one or more of the female members of his family, and those of my other congressional detractors, and post this on the Internet too.

I hope at least one of these AIG guys fights back and puts the thugs in D.C. who are targeting private citizens. When our political class starts to overtly threaten private citizens with the resources of our Federal government, none of us are safe.

Thirty five years ago this nation was preoccupied with Nixon's dirty tricks. He was impeached and was the first president to resign in disgrace for doing the very things Obama and his gangster disciples in congress are doing now.

And the media, those pious protectors of our liberties, are now not only condoning this behaviour, but are in league with the executive branch and assisting in the attempts to destroy political enemies, as we've learned from the Politico.

What hypocrisy from these paid propagandists, these little Leni Riefenstahls.


CALLING ALL PATRIOTS
Yesterday I sent - vis certified / registered mail - a copy of Dr. Orly Taitz's law suit demanding that a special prosecutor be appointed to investigate Obama's BC issue as well as the many illegal and criminal activiites engaged in by his thug supporters.

Today I called the Office of the Attorney Genreal - Eric Holder - and left a voice message demanding the appointment of a special prosecutor.

Am I a little scared? Yes. Why? Because Obaman and his minions are ruthless thugs who kill fetuses, harvest brain-cell stems from fetuses, attack private citizens like Joe the Plumber and Rush Limbaugh to name just two... and they LIE.

But the above reasons - among others - is why I want to take on Obama ...

I do not want to live in a nation where the POTUS - even a fake one - can declare open hunting season on American citizens any time for any reason.

I beleive Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of the United States, and is therefore NOT qualified to be POTUS - he is a usurper and an imposter.

If you would like to get in the fight to Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constittion of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic ...

Then go to Dr. Orly Taitz's website ...

http://defendourfreedoms.us/

and click on the following link in the upper right hand corner under HOT TOPICS:

"Dossier of Suspected Criminal Activity and a Demand to Appoint a Special Prosecutor"

The time to fight is NOW ... Tomorrow may be too late.

SEMPER FI

Obama admittedly doesn't know Jack $h!t!
This article asks:

"The Wall Street Journal editors get it right when they ask: Who’s in charge and what’s the game plan?"

Another article posits:

"Senior administration official sources say President Barack Obama learned only last Thursday that insurance giant AIG was paying employees millions of dollars in bonuses."
____________________________________________

This $h!+ is beyond old.

How long do they expect to get away with claiming Barack Hussein Obama didn't know about this...Barack Hussein Obama didn't know about that...Barack Hussein Obama didn't know about the other?

He didn't know about Wright.
He didn't know about Rezko.
He didn't know about Ayres.

What did you expect from a man who has never held an honest job in his life? A man with absolutely NO EXPERIENCE RUNNING ANYTHING!

He is the first president I've ever seen get elected that doesn't know Jack $h!+!!

What the hell is he doing spending taxpayer money if he doesn't know anything?

2 months...and already assured of being the WORST president in American history.

...and having out-spent ALL OF THEM COMBINED.

Mark, $50T Is Your Answer!
Mark: After hearing Buffets legendary quote "Financial weapons of mass destruction", I did read up on them and been having nightmare ever since :-)

Denise: I've had nightmares since govt. GOT involved in private enterprise.

Mark: Don't get me wrong, I am not in full support of the bail outs. I am just unsure of the full effects of defaulting on all these credit default swaps. Just what happens to the "credit ratings" of the US? Would any country even buy a US T-Bill?

Denise: Mark, look at the figure that you give below. How do you propose that we would cover $50T, if such was necessary? Our GDP is ~$14T. The reason that other countries would by our T-bills is because we (for the time being) are in a better position than everyone, except China.

Mark: They estimate their are around $50 trillion of CDS around the globe in a intertwined mess. It seems that the mega banks are all connected by sharing the risk via CDSs. If AIG sinks, how many banks will it pull down with them?

Denise: Many, but, if we have to cover all losses, the banks and our country will all fail.

Mark: The CDS market was never regulated and in fact, they were never traded on the open market. Nobody really knows the extent of the volume of CDS in the financial world.

Denise: Congress and the SEC was remiss in their oversight and should take the blame. Your last sentence is the scariest thing of all.

Mark: Just making conversation and trying to understand..

Denise: Moi, aussi.

Denise
" Congress and the SEC was remiss in their oversight and should take the blame. Your last sentence is the scariest thing of all."

But what good is oversight without the power of regulation or enforcement? And if the financial institution can privately trade these instruments, how can the SEC provide oversight?

I was discussing this with F1etch, it seems the IT systems are in need of an overhaul. The SEC needs the power to analysis what is going on in the Financial world if they wish to be free from regulation.

The former head of AIG financial services division was very uncooperative with the accounting audits. This information needs to be known via advancemnt of IT system.

Let the NSA do some data mining in the financial world :-)






Too big to fail?
Or too big to run?
I still can't figure out why AIG could not have been busted up via Chapter 11 and government help. Both Paulson and Geithner chose the wrong path and I can't imagine why. Bush and Obama were stooges, but that is about the best that can be expected of them.

Oncealways
It was Bush's terms that these guys get the billions without any over site, remember? He did though take exceptional trouble to reach into the pockets of the little guy working on the factory floor, and dictated like Stalin their wages.

Bush's Spokes person says



PERINO: And the people who are working there that are middle-class people, are expecting to get this bonus. If they do not get it, maybe they won’t be motivated enough to try to help the company turn around and getting the company to turn around and be more profitable is important for all of us.

She really said that!


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Taft..Obama Needs to Man-Up 1
Taft
Location: CA
Reply # 25
Date: Mar 17, 2009 - 10:02 PM EST Oncealways
It was Bush's terms that these guys get the billions without any over site, remember?
_______________________________________________

Not so fast.

"The Bush administration [Sept.11,2003] recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crises 10 yrs. previously."

http:query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&scp=1&sq=&st=nyt

"Among the groups denouncing the proposal...were the National Assoc. of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing."

"These two entities--Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--are not facing any kind of financial crises," said Representative Barney Frank of Mass., the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more the pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." Rep. Frank added.

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
"I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing," Mr. Watt said.

OBAMA LIES because he CAN !

Obama even lies about his calculated lies:

BECAUSE: 33% of his supporters are illiterate and the other 18% are corrupt criminals, including the MSM:

HE just keeps blowing smoke up everyone's pants and they LOVE THAT "TICKLE"

WHY isn't Rober Rubin in JAIL YET FOR FLEECING and destroying Citi Group ?

Taft..Obama/Dems need to Man-Up 2
Investor Business Daily in their Editorial page, Monday, September 15, 2008, stated the following:

"Obama in a statement yesterday blamed the shocking new round of subprime-related bankruptcies on the free-market system, and specifically the 'trickle-down' economics of the Bush administration, which he tried to gig opponent John McCain for wanting to extend.

"But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped to create the market for high-risk, subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street's most revered institutions.

"The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and the Democrats now decry as not only greedy but 'predatory.'"

You can read this entire editorial at:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=3063707892 79709

Under the president's [Bush, 2003] proposal a new agency would have been created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The new agency would have had the authority, which, at the time rested with the Democrat-controlled Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies.

It would have exercised authority over any new lines of business. And it would have been able to determine whether the two were adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

NEW ESSAY
up on the Anti Liberal Zone (click on my handle to check it out.)

Comrade Maobama's Goosesteppers now in Kongress.

OBAMA knew, it was his "PLAN" !

"SENATOR" OBAMA leader of the democrat controlled congress: IN BED WITH GEINTHER:

KNEW all along and he directed the AIG money

the outrage should be that over 40 billion LEFT THE COUNTRY FOR DISTANT SHORES!

the 160 some million bonus money is just one of OBAMA"s "SMOKE SCREENS" for the real corruption and criminal activities he is engaged in:

OBAMA KEEPS blowing smoke up everyone's pants and they just love that tickle:

WHY ISN"T Rober RUBIN in JAIL yet for fleecing and destroying Citi Group ?

Everything is above his pay grade !

EXCEPT: OBAMA is the ENEMY WITHIN:

SENATOR OBAMA, knew and was party to: the GEINTHER : BARNEY PLAN:::

IT is NOT THE BONUS money to be outraged about:
the OUTRAGE should be the over 40 billion that "LEFT THE COUNTRY"

ALL part of OBAMA's scam to destroy this country from within:

SMOKE AND MIRRORS:

HEY HEY HEY::: WATCH THIS ! while they are engaged in criminal corruption behind their snoke screen:

Why isn't Robert Rubin in jail yet for fleecing City group ?

Taft...Obama/Dems need to Man-Up 3

The Bush administration's proposal was endorsed in large part by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and would not have repealed the significant govt. subsidies granted to the two companies.

(this is additional information taken from the NY Times article written by Stephen Labaton)

No wonder there is nobody in the Democrat-controlled Congress calling for an investigation of the screwed up regulation and oversight of these companies...THEY [DEMOCRAT CONGRESSMEN] ARE THE CULPRITS!!

It seems like the biggest mistake Bush made was letting himself get PLAYED by the Democrat Congress (esp. Chris Dodd and Blarney Flank) when he went along with the first "Bailout" fiasco, listening to Paulson and Nancy P-lousy, along with Blarney Flank and the rest of the Democrat Congress, when they bum-rushed him with cries of "We need this money to keep a economic disaster from happening!"

It seems that now, all the Democrat and Obama excusers have forgotten that it was the ONLY time in the entire Bush administration that he had FULL Democrat support on any issue.

Why?

Because they were trying to cover THEIR @$$e$, that's why.

Obama claimed he was going to "hit the ground running".

That's about the ONLY thing he hasn't lied about...

He's been running from ALL responsibility for anything...since his @$$ hit the ground.

B2
What are you talking about? When they made the bailout package, no one wanted to micro-script it. Obama sounds naive though.

MCCONNELL: “I really don’t want the government to take over these businesses and start telling them everything about what they can do. […] We have to resist the temptation to basically dictate to these businesses how to run every aspect of their operation.” [ABC News, 2/4/09]

Similarly, Shelby demanded a laissez-faire approach to executive compensation as Congress pressed Secretary Paulson for details of the bailout plan:

SHELBY: “It should be up to the board of directors of a private corporation to set the compensation of an executive; it shouldn’t be Congress’s role.” [Washington Post, 9/23/08]

Once

I'm not sure I understand your position, but the blame falling on Fannie/Freddie just doesn't pan out.

Fannie Freddie Phony
"So I was listening to Arnold Schwarzenegger before doing the This Weak round table, and he was mostly making sense — except for one thing. He asserted, as a simple matter of fact, that “government created the housing bubble”, because Fannie and Freddie made all these loans to people who couldn’t afford to pay them.

This is utterly false. Fannie/Freddie did some bad things, and did, it turns out, get to some extent into subprime. But thanks to the accounting scandals, they were actually withdrawing from the market during the height of the housing bubble — the vast majority of the loans now going bad came from the private sector.

Yet it’s now clear that the phony account of the crisis — that it’s all due to Fannie, Freddie, and nasty liberals forcing poor Angelo Mozilo to make loans to Those People — is setting in as Republican orthodoxy, part of what you have to believe to be a respectable member of the party."

Mod Mark - 1933 Securities Act
But what good is oversight without the power of regulation or enforcement? And if the financial institution can privately trade these instruments, how can the SEC provide oversight?

Denise: Any company, even one that is NOT publicly-traded, is subject to the 1933 Securities Act rules and regulations for trading securities. Further, almost every state has Blue Sky laws. My company is a private company and I deal with securities law all of the time.

Mark: I was discussing this with F1etch, it seems the IT systems are in need of an overhaul. The SEC needs the power to analysis what is going on in the Financial world if they wish to be free from regulation.

Denise: Yes, the Congress needs to update the rules and regulations so that they more adequately address the securities markets in the day of electronic trades.

Mark: The former head of AIG financial services division was very uncooperative with the accounting audits. This information needs to be known via advancemnt of IT system.

Denise: They should have held him in Contempt of Congress, had the DOJ begin investigations, and CERTAINLY Congress should have demanded that they be allowed to inspect the corporate books and registeries. Afterall, we OWN 80% of the damn company.

Mark

The other legislation that may need revision is the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

Obama's Phony Outrage- A Phony President

The bonus problem wasn't new, as many lawmakers and administration officials knew only too well.

AIG's plans to pay hundreds of millions of dollars were publicized last fall, when Congress started asking questions about expensive junkets the company had sponsored. A November SEC filing by the company details more than $469 million in "retention payments" to keep prized employees.

Around the same time, Congress and Obama's team were passing up an opportunity to put in place strict laws to revoke bonuses from recipients of the $700 billion Wall Street bailout. In February, the Senate voted to add such a proposal to the economic recovery bill that cleared Congress, but in final closed-door talks on the measure, that provision was dropped in favor of limits that affect only future payments.”

{Sound familiar? Shades of Obama’s stance on Congressional Earmarks: “we’ll stop them in the future” chhh-ching!}

"There was a lot of lobbying against it and it died," said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., who proposed the measure with Republican Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine.

He said Obama's team is sending mixed messages on what will and won't be tolerated on bonuses, with the president coming out strongly against excessive Wall Street rewards but top officials not following through.

"The president goes out and says this is not acceptable, and then some backroom deal gets cut to let these things get paid out anyway," Wyden said. "They need to put this to bed once and for all."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090318/ap_on_go_pr_wh/aig_what _did_they_know

Doesn’t this seem par for the course for Obama; he deals off the bottom of the deck with one hand, then reads his carefully-prepared teleprompter gobble-de-gook in front of the sycophant media, feeding his propaganda to his fawning sycophant supporters/fans out in the public who lap it up like a dog eating his master’s vomit as if it the tastiest thing he’s ever eaten.

Kickbacks? Why not?
With this amout of money going out to foreign banks and foreign individuals there is no question that a mil here and a mil there are going under the table. Will we ever know. Of course not, we have established our folks at the top are typical, no common sense, no business acumen.

Read TownhallPlus.com

Above his paygrade & and Over his head

More from the Yahoo news story:

"[AIG chief executive Edward M.]Liddy, in a letter to Geithner on Saturday, referred to their "open and frank conversation" over the retention payments on March 11. "I admit that the conversation was a difficult one for me," Liddy wrote.

On Thursday, as Treasury lawyers scrambled to find a way to cancel the payments, Geithner informed the White House of the situation, and senior aides there relayed it to Obama, the administration officials said.

Meanwhile, the administration moved to get ahead of what was certain to be an embarrassing story.

Unprompted, officials leaked news of the bonuses to select reporters late Saturday afternoon, highlighting what Geithner had done to try to restrain the payments. The story quickly became fodder for the Sunday news talk shows.

Then on Monday, the president himself came out strongly on the issue, calling the payments "an outrage" and publicly directing his team to look for ways to cancel the payments.

Questioned repeatedly to explain this in light of the fact that the administration had already scoured its options and come up empty — and that the bonuses had already gone out the door to their recipients — Gibbs said that the president wanted his aides to make sure "to exhaust all legal remedies."

That's done little to quell the expressions of outrage that were blasting about by Tuesday.

"It's shocking," said Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the minority leader, that "the administration would come to us now and act surprised.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090318/ap_on_go_pr_wh/aig_what _did_they_know
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Above his paygrade & Over his head 2
What Barack Hussein Obama is demonstrating in his first 100 days as President is that he doesn't have a clue about how to take care of business...let alone run a country.

If Obama didn't know what was going on with this deal that had been a part of his so-called "Stimulus" bill, either he is in over his head and completely incompetent to be spending taxpayer money at the pace he's doing--or he is being completely disrespected by the old Democrat heads in Congress who know he's incompetent and are taking advantage of his arrogance and his ignorance (just like they did with the writing of the "Stimulus" bill.

...probably a combination of both.

I seriously doubt that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or any of the other career politicians in Washington have any respect for the leadership ability of Barack Hussein Obama.

He is singularly incompetent and dangerously arrogant...not to mention anti-American and anti-Capitalist.

He is being run over by our enemies, and he is being run over by his own White House and Congress.

He only exudes confidence when he's reading something somebody else wrote, from a teleprompter.

Everybody boasts about how smart he is, but he doesn't have a clue, and he's phony as a three-dollar bill.

If he didn't have a teleprompter he wouldn't be able to function.

Good stuff
Thank goodness mark-to-market has been revised. What on earth took them so long? This was identified as a major problem months ago.

Regarding Geithner, he either knew (and therefore lied) or should have known (and is therefore incompetent) about the bonuses. The news stories out today place blame for the AIG bonus fiasco squarely on Democrats.

Who's Dropping the Ball?

"..the vast majority of the American people are going to latch onto AIG as the poster child of how we "got" into this mess...and it is going to be unregulated big business..."
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And who's in charge?

Who is failing to regulate AIG now?

The ball is in Obama's court and he just missed a slam dunk.

The AIG Outrage!
Sir lawrence, you didn't mention Henry Paulson who incidentally is, all of a sudden, calling for a moratorium on bailouts only after his buddies at Bear Sterns raised objections, they got bailed and had bonuses coming, go back to christmas 2007 those suckers made some serious cash, those christmas bonus checks were huge.
Six months later the bubble burst putting our financial system in jeopardy, and these are the best and the brightest we have to retain?
Paulson and his gangsters got there money upfront, Bear Sterns was bailed to the tune of close to 75 billion. Poor Timmy G. he's become the face of this crisis playing the I didn't know role to a tee, supported by BPOTUS who is going to be on Jay Leno's just to save face. And the Academy Award for top official who did not know that the AIG Sub-Prime traders were getting bonuses, because they are the best and the brightest, even though, 12 of them took the retention money and promptly left the company goes to Barack Hussein Obama.
Dude, you can't make this crap up. You know what, I don't want to be a coward anymore let's get the Attorney General together with some Rappers and some Mexican weed and have a dialogue on race.
Yeah let's do this, the economy is in the ghetto already, lets just continue in that direction.

Wrong: Democrats are tied to AIG

Ranger29
Location: TX
Reply # 47
Date: Mar 18, 2009 - 12:22 AM EST Once a Marine...you are complaing
about the barn door being open after the horse or cows have already left it..."

but as a practical matter (although not in reality) the GOP is tied to the "high rollers".
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I think you need to check your facts about who the "high rollers" are tied to.

President Obama and Sen. Dodd were the two largest recipients of campaign contributions from AIG executives, and the only politicians to garner six-figure amounts from AIG in 2008 — $103,100 for Sen. Dodd and $100,332 for presidential candidate Obama.

AIG, which has received $170 billion in taxpayer cash from the federal government since September, gave more than $585,000 to Congressional and presidential candidates last year, favoring Democrats 3-to-1 over Republicans.

OncealwaysaMarine
"President Obama and Sen. Dodd were the two largest recipients of campaign contributions from AIG executives, and the only politicians to garner six-figure amounts from AIG in 2008 — $103,100 for Sen. Dodd and $100,332 for presidential candidate Obama."

I guess you can say that AIG knew a winner when they saw one. But if they thought it was going to make things easy for themselves, they were mistaken.


You Can Fool Some of the People
Ranger29
Location: TX
Reply # 47
Date: Mar 18, 2009 - 12:22 AM EST Once a Marine...

but as a practical matter (although not in reality) the GOP is tied to the "high rollers".
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And if you think you will continue to hunt with that dog for the next 4 years...Happy hunting!

With the ball now being FULLY in the Democrat's court, counting on lies about Republicans and such working through the incompetence currently being demonstrated by the Democrat-led everything(and that seems to be the entire Democrat play book) is a sorry way to hedge your bets.

The spotlight is on the Democrats now, and attacking Conservatives while Rome is burning under the Obama administration, might get you through another couple of days.

But when those electric bills and gasoline prices start there "necessary" skyrocketing under Cap and Trade, and this bumbling "Keystone Kops" routine continues to get worse and worse, even the Kool-Aid drinkers are going to start getting a bitter taste in their mouths.

Couple that with all the old sick veterans who are getting ready to get the shaft on their health-care...

See, the thing about this Obama administration is...

He's an equal opportunity spreader of misery.

...when he get's through, nobody will be left unscathed...they'll be begging for some good 'ol American "white man's greed" before Obama and the Demoncrats get through.

Wobbie The Welfare Queen

Jealous, jealous, jealous AND always demanding something for NOTHING.


What a LOSER.


Hey, loser. If states' rights are DEAD, then why can't Obama make SC and TX accept stimulus funds? Huh? Huh? And, why are so many states passing legislation asserting their state's rights? Huh? Huh?

Loser and a welfare queen.

Go inflate your wife.

They own this crisis in the making
Tammy
Location: IL
Reply # 49
Date: Mar 18, 2009 - 12:43 AM EST OncealwaysaMarine
"President Obama and Sen. Dodd were the two largest recipients of campaign contributions from AIG executives, and the only politicians to garner six-figure amounts from AIG in 2008 — $103,100 for Sen. Dodd and $100,332 for presidential candidate Obama."

I guess you can say that AIG knew a winner when they saw one. But if they thought it was going to make things easy for themselves, they were mistaken.
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Tammy, you sure got that right.

And by the way...Chris Dodd, John Kerry, and Barack Hussein Obama were also the top 3 biggest recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions! (with like 8 or 9 of the top 10 amounts they contributed to all politicians going to Democrats.)

You can fool some of the people, some of the time...

The best thing that will come out of this for Conservatives is the fact that now, since they run EVERYTHING, Democrats won't be able to place the blame on Republicans for the failures they make.

They own this crisis.

...and they know it.

...and Tammy
Isn't it interesting that...

"In unrelated news, Sen. Dodd proposed legislation requiring AIG political gifts to be returned to the U.S. Treasury, “exempting only those campaign contributions made before November 4, 2008.”

The senator’s office immediately issued a statement declaring that Sen. Dodd was not aware that he had proposed such the exemption."

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=3383
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How "white" of him...

Prosecution
As much as I dislike Federal Prosecutors (having seen them engage in witch-hunts on more than one occassion) I think that's the solution to this AIG bonus-fraud. Dodd claimed he "did not insert" (a curious phrase, coined by Chuck Robb and repeated under President Clinton) the bonus money, but a Federal investigation should prove otherwise. And Dodd himself - not just the executives - should have to defend himself against the unlimited resources of a Federal Prosecutor.

In addition, there should be an invetigation into the activities of Frank, as his repeated assertions of fiscal soundness of Fannie and Freddie were on par with the claims that we never landed on the moon, and that the earth is flat.

Prosecute.

Mitt Romney, where are you??
Would that he were in place.

end of liberal fantasies
The liberals own the AIG mess, because the democrats in the last congress own TARP 1 and the democrats in this congress own the Stimulus package. Democrats in the last congress voted 212 in favor and 73 against the TARP bill. Republicans in the last congress voted 125 for and 123 against the TARP bill. The democrats passed this bill and they own it and all the screwups that have accompanied it.
The democrats overwhelmingly passed the Stimulus bill hawked by the incompetent ONE from Chicago and his 90 lb brownshirt chief of staff. This is the bill noone was allowed to read, except the democrats who wrote it and inserted all sorts of payoffs to political supporters. There will be alot more of corrupt , discusting items contained in this bill to be revealed in coming days.

my two cents
AIG outrage is a shell game. While everyone is screaming and yelling about the bonuses we should be looking for what they are NOT screaming and yelling about.

Tell Congress to STOP the WASTE!
Tired of seeing bill after bill with more bailouts and deficits as far as the eye can see?

Tired of having big corporate bonuses paid for with YOUR tax dollars?

Follow the link and send a message to your members of congress.

Tell them you’re sick of the waste! Tell them you’ll HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

Tell them to STOP the Spending!

http://www.conservativeoutpost.com/campaign/cta/stop_spendi ng

A diversion
All this screaming about AIG is a diversion to keep people from looking at what Obama and Co. are doing. It's also another, and very typical, way for the socialists to demonize businesses.

DIVERSION!!! DIVERSION!!!
The people in charge were there during the S&L Bailout.

The various treasury officials went from government into the corporations which created the mess.

On Charlie Rose last night they said the government did not need to pay cash. They could have given gaurantees. The government paid cash to AIG to be funneled elsewhere. The government chose to pay full value to these companies using AIG.

We have been getting screwed by Congress since the S&L bailout and they are looking for more.

Robert - about Denise
Don't take her too seriously. Denise has a few delusions of her own, did you know she is a multilinguist lawyer who works for a million-plus cap company in LA?

they must really value her, it apparently doesn't matter to them that she spends every hour of every day posting on TH, maybe they are happy she stays out of their hair, mybe her "company" doesn't exist. Ya think?

She tells us she makes political contributions to loser losers like Norm Coleman in her company's name, then tells everybody on TH to cancel their credit cards because Coleman has put everybodys credit card information on line.

The wonderful thing about the internet is that you can make up any story about yourself that flies in the face of your true, pathetic life and nobody cares.


Fred
Denise is multi lingual. She has demonstrated that very well.

What she claims to be she probably is. I mean who would claim to be a lawyer that is not? They rank one step behind a used car salesman.

(No offense Denise)

As to her posting at all hours. Perhaps it allows her a simple pleasure she enjoys.

Your disagreement with her views does not offer license to demean her without any evidence.

I routinely demean wanger 29 because his fantaies are so blatantly false that a third grader could do better.

If Denise is such a person, I am sure it will present itself for you. Until then give her the benefit of the doubt. That is only common courtesy.

Anderson & Fred
Wow, I knew that Denise was around the bend, but
didn't realize it was that bizarre.

If what you say is true, I would suggest that
the bottle is her problem.

reply to Taft #29

Thanks for saying something correct about the subprime problem.

It's unfortunate, but most conservatives just dig in their heels and insist that the meltdown of the global financial system resulted from some bad old liberals letting poor urban blacks who didn't deserve mortgages get them anyway. What about all of those arrangement with derivative counterparties? The disconnect between hyper-arcane financial instruments and anything resembling economic production happened long ago, and poor urban blacks were not involved in either the creation or the spread of these instruments.

It looks to me like plain old capitalists--the real kind, not the fantasy creatures of free market theory--just took the ball and ran with it. Did poor urban blacks and their do-gooder liberal supporters create the incentive structure that made the generation of bigger and more complex debts a basis for rewarding managers? I think not. did liberals force the boys at AIG to start running their insurance operation with the same gleeful abandon that they were running what amounted to a hedge fund on steroids? Again, I think not.

Apart from reasonable regulations, there is absolutely no reason to assume that companies that manage our investments are going to 'do the right thing.' No, they will do what allows them to get contractually guaranteed 'bonuses.' And they will reward managers who are clever at rolling lots of small debts into bigger and bigger mega-debts. Just think how your own local bank would respond if you went to them and said: "I've assumed the credit card and mortgage indebtedness of everyone on my block, and now I want you to lend me a really large amount of money." After the laughter died down, the answer would be 'no,' but that's the diffference between a small bank and a big bank.

AIG strawman
On The Charlie Rose program Tues. night they pointed out how AIG received it's billions and passed it through IN CASH to foriegn banks (our congress person hasn't an account I think)and Bear Stearns.

The government could have offered gauruntees BUT chose to PAY CASH. The government could have asked AIG to negotiate and not pay top dollar. They did NOT. Bear Stearns only needed to say what they needed.

AMEN!!!!
This covers everything but the violation of Article 1, Section 10, paragraph 1 of the US Constitution.

Unfortunately, the infantile buffoons in the house have passed a "bill of attainder", ex post facto, in a blatant effort to impair a contract, in direct contravention of the constitution they swore an oath of office to "faithfully uphold and defend". This is a clear violation of their oath of office and they ought all to resign, if they voted yay on this bill.
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