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Tuesday, August 05, 2008
Larry Kudlow :: Townhall.com Columnist
Drill, Drill, Drill Is Working
by Larry Kudlow
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As Sen. John McCain and the GOP leadership nationalize the drill, drill, drill message, the Republican party might conceivably be riding a summer political rally. The question of offshore drilling, along with expanded domestic energy production, has suddenly become the biggest political and economic wedge issue of this election. Is there a Republican tsunami in the making?

According to the major polls, Sen. McCain has overcome a big deficit to pull even with Obama. Meanwhile, according to a Rasmussen survey, Democratic party identification has slumped.

While Republicans on the House floor shouted “vote, vote, vote” and “lower gas prices,” the Democratic majority turned off the lights, cameras, and microphones. Determined Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell offered unanimous-consent requests to vote on lifting the ban on deep-water exploration, and the Democrats objected. When McConnell asked Democrats if they’d overturn the ban at $4.50 a gallon, they replied “no.” When he raised the price to $5, $7, and $10, they cried “no,” “no,” and “no.”

On the Stephanopoulos Sunday news show, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi underscored her refusal to allow a drilling vote. Asked about the Republican rebellion in the House, she said, “What you saw in the Congress this week was the war dance of the handmaidens of the oil companies.” She went on to say, “We are spending all of this time on a parliamentary tactic, when nothing less is at stake than the planet, the air we breathe, our children breathe.”

Oh really? Voters have a much different view. Polls suggest that two-thirds to three-quarters of the nation wants to drill. To wit, while a just-released Obama campaign ad attacks McCain as a tool of big oil, McCain has taken his first-ever lead in a Rasmussen tracking poll.

There is a voter revolt going on, and it reminds me of the anti-tax rebellion that lifted Ronald Reagan into office twenty-eight years ago. Is the conventional wisdom about to be swept away? As Republicans press home the drill, drill, drill message, might they pick up seats in Congress this year? And might the national clamor for a more realistic and balanced energy policy -- one that includes more oil, natural gas, clean coal, nuclear, and the alternatives of wind, solar, and cellulosic -- carry John McCain to a convincing victory over Obama?

Without even realizing it, the GOP drilling offensive has become a new contract with America. And it appears to be working. The public is putting aside global warming and choosing instead new-energy production, a stronger economy, and more job creation. Voters want growth, not austerity. They want Ronald Reagan, not Thomas Malthus. And by resisting this grassroots call, the Democratic party is digging itself into one of the biggest political dry holes in history.

New economic statistics highlight the damage done by the unprecedented oil-price shock. Only a year ago real gross domestic product was growing at 4 to 5 percent. Then came the dramatic rise of energy prices and down came the economy.

GDP contracted slightly late last year and rose a miniscule 0.9 percent in this year’s first quarter. And although real growth picked up to nearly 2 percent in the second quarter, that number is suspect since the government does not count surging import prices from food and energy.

Wall Street blames everything on the housing slump and the sub-prime credit crisis. Of course, these are significant. But the drop in housing starts, sales, and prices has been going on for nearly two years, without crunching down the economy.

It’s the oil shock that has brought us perilously close to recession. In fact, despite a slight rise in GDP, nonfarm corporate payrolls have declined for seven consecutive months while private payrolls have fallen for eight straight months. A year ago the unemployment rate was 4.5 percent. Today it’s 5.7 percent. Topping it off, the inflation rate has climbed from 2 to 4 percent over the past year.

Right now the recession call is still an open question. But the economic damage caused by skyrocketing energy prices is a no-brainer.

When President George W. Bush eliminated the executive moratorium on offshore drilling a month ago, effectively launching the drill, drill, drill offensive, oil was close to $150 a barrel. Since then, the barrel price has dropped to nearly $120 as futures-market traders anticipate a major shift in federal drilling policy.

Over at the Intrade pay-to-play prediction market, the probability of an offshore drilling bill passing in 2008 is now handicapped at 50 percent, up from 25 percent only a few days ago. Clearly, investors know market prices will move well before we see actual new energy supplies from offshore drilling. The likelihood of greater energy supply will incentivize those much-vilified traders to slash barrel prices much more, bringing relief at the pump and earning the gratitude of a whole nation.

At the same time, those wrongheaded Democratic leaders, from Obama to Reid to Pelosi, will see their political fortunes plummet deep into bear-market territory.

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Pelosi's Leadership
Wow, with the wonderful leadership of Pelosi, it makes one trimble to think what a runaway train we might have, IF Obama is elected..gives me the chills..Pelosi is a bimbo..

The Republicans and
To "onewiseguy,"

You missed the point: the Republicans did nothing about ANWR drilling when they controlled both both houses of Congress and had a fellow Republican in the White House. They had placed an ANWR bill on Clinton's desk, but they were unwilling to place one on Bush's desk who might have signed it. They knew that Clinton would not sign it. that was just political posturing. But the Republicans would not have dared to put an ANWR bill on a Republican president's desk. THey are willing to talk about it now, because they don't think that it can pass.

Isn't it time
Isn't it time for about 1 to 1.5 million of us patriotic Americans til fill our tanks and head to Washington DC and grid lock the town. Stampede on the halls of congress and demand that a new speaker!
We want a new speaker! We want a new Speaker! Resign here! Resign Now! Drill Here Drill Now! We want a new Speaker!

When the chant rises from 1 million patriot, when the horns of 500,000 SUVs, trucks and cars blow for hours. When one million people stump on the grounds of the capitol, when we have our say then maybe the demon-crats will capitulate. If they don't then we will begin a furniture sale starting with the desk and curtains from the office of Nancy Pelosi. We sill sell her plane. We will retake this country from the faliures that rule today. All 435 of them!

Oil Hero

Now that Congress has retired for a 5 week recess without voting on any extended off shore oil exploration and drilling bill, it is safe for Junior Senator Barack Obama to advocate it. Nancy Pelosi abused her powers and kept any oil exploration bill from going up for a vote to shield the Prince of the Democrats from having to place a no vote against something that 70% of Americans want.

If a vote had come to the floor, Junior Senator Barack Obama would have had to vote yes, as an opportunistic politician wanting to win the Presidential election. Voting yes now though, after so much effort to cow tow to the leftists and maintain a ban, would cost a huge amount of political capitol with his base but gain him very little for the November elections.

The elections are to far away, and the American voters will forget he voted to allow the drilling for the most part by then, not gaining enough votes from moderates to offset the loss from the far left. But not his base, they will remember the betrayal and stay home.

When Congress returns in 5 weeks, a vote on any extended oil exploration will be much closer to the November elctions. Now, he proposes to support a plan proposed for an off shore oil exploration bill put together by some members of congress.

The hope being that either the bill will be so restrictive, or have provisions for certain non oil energy timetables to be met to release sections for off shore oil drilling, that the far left won’t mind if he votes for it much.

Ideally, the bill won’t be ready for a vote until after the election, and he won’t have to vote for it and harm his far left voter base. If it is ready, he can vote for it, and look like a hero to the far left, and to the majority of the public who will think it will actually allow extra domestic oil supply to help reduce gas and home heating prices.


Supply vs Demand
Actually Mr. Kudlow, the drop in crude oil started 15 minutes after Fed Chairman Bernecke stated to Congress that the high oil prices were a result of supply and demand and not speculation. The irony of this is that speculation certainly was responsible for some of the drop we have seen in the last few weeks. The other reason is that demand for gasoline has dropped in the US by 3.5% compared to a year ago. No one really knows what is causing the drop in price. But it is really a stretch to say it is the result of numerous parties repeating the mantra "drill, drill and drill". Such Tolkenest rumblings from Mr. Kudlow on TV and in print are not responsible for any drop in price. If we assume that Mr. Bernecke is correct then if we want to see crude prices drop on a more permanent basis we have two choices: increase supply or decrease demand. The American public has no power to increase world supply of oil. Supply is in the hands of oil producers such as OPEC and to a lesser extent companies such as Exxon Mobil. Increased production in the US may increase supply by perhaps 2 percent. Larger oil producers can just cut supply to meet world demand. Supply is based on the whim of oil producers. The American public only power lies in its ability to control demand. Obama's point on the importance of maintaining tire pressure actually has more potential to lower prices in the short and long term than reciting the "drill" mantra. Companies with large fleets of cars boost mileage in their cars by up to 10% by inflating tire pressure above the"recommended" car tire pressure. I do this myself and it works. We need to drive cars with better fuel economy. This will truly lower gas prices by lowering demand. According to Bernecke a 1% drop in demand results in a 10% drop in crude. If you want to put your trust in OPEC and big oil to increase supply you do so at your own peril.

Big Oil vs the liberals
As long as the lib followers are under the spell of their handlers, we are going to have a fight on our hands whenever drilling for oil is brought up. These followers have been brainwashed from the time they were in K1 through K12, that profit is evil, that spreading wealth for the "common good" is okay. In other words, it's OK to take money from the "rich" and give it to the "poor", because the rich doesn't deserve all that money, and he probably "stole" the money, and the "poor" deserve the money more because the "poor" didn't "steal" anything. We need to change the minds of the people that earning a profit honestly and being rich is OK, and they have a chance to be just as rich as those people they are now envying. Hard job, but we have to do it.

In answer to your question
The problem with increased drilling as part of a solution to our energy problems is that it simply helps to delay the inevitible. By the admin's own admission the peak returns, at least 10 years hence, will be meager, and the effort that could be concentrated on alternatives will be wasted on a fool's errand.

ELECT DENTIST
THEY LOVE TO DRILL!
ELVIS

Robert
Both the US and Iraqi militaries concede that the Basra operation did not result in a dismantling of the Mahdi Army. They did indeed melt away, with their weapons.

And please Robert, don't paint me as an idealogue. I have repeatedly applauded the operation in Sadr City as a true success that has wrought lasting change for the good. In fact, IMHO, the Sadr City operation has had much more to do with the Sadrists diminished influence than Basra. Basra is a ceasefire, Sadr City is a seismic(?) shift.

That said, as Kirkuk illustrates, the fundamentals are still lousy despite the security lull.

On oil investment, the positive economic effects you site would also be achieved with developement in alternative energy technology, plus the energy generated would be all American from generation to delivery.

More oil will only end up on the world market where it's effect will be dwarged by worldwide demand.

Black helicopters?
>Who do you think gives "real shots" at the nomination? Is this the black helicopter group?<

I don't know who came up with the winner-take-all primaries. If the Democrats used this method, Hillary would have wrapped up the nomination on February 5th, after California.

If the Republicans would have had a more equitable method..well, who knows.

bryce no sorry that wasnt your
point...your point was that you refused to see what had happened and kept pushing Sadr as some power in waiting. Post after post "the militia has melted away"..

try and be honest...you got it wrong and I got it correct. I know that is annoying...the right wing here finds it that way.

As for oil

First even if the price isnt lowered the dollars being spent in the US on American infrastructure and jobs is more better (grin) then it being spent in the mideast...

But second it will lower the price.Iraqi oil is already doing that.

Face it man...you were wrong about Basra...and I was of course (grin) correct.

you are incorrect about oil as well.

Robert

Recovered Lib
I've called Pelosi's office, too, and Reid's and Obama's, to tell all the same thing, that they've allowed their hate for President Bush, their illogical ideology and their financial obligations to the Far Left to overtake their judgment. The most important element of that judgement is the ability to guage the temper of the American electorate. In her arrogant decision to recess the House last Friday, I maintain that Nancy Pelosi and her cohorts have committed a political miscalculation of historic proportions. All I can say to them now is, Keep it up! We can all use a good landslide in November!

HitchHiker you are right
On one point, this is indeed all about supply and demand. The problem is that based on the admin's own predictions there is no way that drilling in the currently restricted will generate enough supply to outstrip the demand from emerging economies like India and China.

Again, according to the admin's most optomistic projections, drilling for every available drop of oil in the US will only lower the price of oil $1.44 per barrel at least 10 years down the line.

Robert, Robert, Robert...
My argument was always that the final assessment of the Basra operation and of al-Sadr would be made by Iraqis at the ballot box this fall. Unfortunately, the crisis in Kirkuk, which you refuse to address, has put the kabash on that.

As to drilling, I'll ask you the same question I've posed to others. Where is the objective data supporting the argument that increased drilling in the US will result in a lowering of oil prices worldwide?

bryce
The objective evidence is the same evidence that supports the primary and most basic tenet of economics. The law of supply and demand. Kind of like the law of gravity but, I suppose you would need some more compelling evidence for that then simply watching things fall to the ground. Perhaps we could drop you off a tall building to allow first hand experimentation, the only kind you will accept I suppose. Did you fail to notice the rise in oil prices? Do you suppose it is a one way street? How old are you? Is this your first experience with price increases?

christianlib
Yes, unfortunately, we do not have a pro growth candidate from either major party, the primary reason neither party is likely to get my vote this year. While there are compelling reasons to oppose Obama, there are also reason to oppose McCain. A poor turn of events for liberty and the American way.

McCain is a reasonable man and may be amenable to persuasion in this matter. So far, he has simply ridden the bandwagon and shaking his fist at the horrible demon our emissions have been deemed. Obama is a true believer in the worst sense of the word for many reasons. A communist never met a crisis they didn't like. It makes the ultimate goal of total government control much easier. The idea of banning oil drilling is fraught with problems and additional demons will supplement the threat or replace the threat. You can't have too many irons in the fire when there are millions to be cowed and scared into relinquishing their liberty for the greater good. What is greater than the planet and every living thing on it?

Who knew that improving lives and bringing the world out of poverty would have to be put on the back burner in light of a more urgent need? The need by some to increase governmental power to achieve other ends. The end justifies the means for them. The increased power, while gained fraudulently, will be used to correct all the supposed defects in our economy by making everyone equally miserable. I can't wait.

Pancho Willard had a real shot
Pancho
Location: UT

Reply # 204
Date: Aug 6, 2008 - 12:05 AM EST Subject: A Fellow Mitt fan
It boggles the mind that Mitt Romney wasn't given a real shot at the nomination....

he just lost

Who do you think gives "real shots" at the nomination? Is this the black helicopter group?

Robert

A Fellow Mitt fan
It boggles the mind that Mitt Romney wasn't given a real shot at the nomination.

I worked in the sports media in Salt Lake during the 2002 Olympics and got to see 1st hand his incredible leadership, organizational and administrative skills.

Mitt is an inspiring leader, with the proper background and experience that this country needs in these times.

So what if he's a Mormon. Most of my neighbors and business associates are Mormons. They're much preferable to evangelicals.

Bryce...were not you the person
who kept telling me what a failure the ISF operaiton in Basra was? LOL You know Al Sadr is finished now ...

oh well.

oil prices are coming down "NOW" because Iraqi oil is about to flood the market...and that is because the surge worked (THE MCCAIN SURGE as John Edwards called it)...

and speculators dont want to et caught "long".


You are prepared I assume to admit that everything you said about Iraq was WRONG ...

and of course I was right!

Robert

The central question remains
Where is the objective data that demonstrates that drilling in the currently restricted areas in the US will have a substantive impact on worldwide oil prices.

Hard Thought and Primus
The projections I offered were not of my own invention, nor did I pick and choose. I simply went to the source, the Energy Information Agency, charged with providing unbiased analysis of raw data provided by the United States Geological Survey, the National Oil and Gas Resource Assessment Team, and the Resource Evaluation Division, among others.

And yes Hard Thought, I read your posts, and just reread them, and like the others you offer no objective source as the basis for your opinions.


The Clouds Opened Up
And the Lord smiled down on John and said, "This is my son, in whom I am well pleased."

A different kind of Destiny is opening up right before our eyes.

The New Direction now seems to be accurately spelled out by the Chosen One, John.

This Independent, at least, likes the sound of ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. Today in interview w/ Mike Barnacle, Mitt was glowing. He was radiating great confidence and character and charm. What he said was music to this Independent's ears. There's nothing quite like a man of real strength and honesty and honour looking you in the eye and telling you: This country is GOING TO BE FREE OF FOREIGN OIL.

"No thanks," said Mitt to the parties concerned, "we do not want your oil anymore."
And when a man like Mitt Romney looks you in the eye and says this--well, this independent voter just flat out believed him.

Yes, it was a heck of a sales job I saw on TV today, but that doesn't mean the product is faulty. Our foreign policy just needs an oil change after a trillion miles with the same old same old.

Romney spoke eloquently and authoritatively about a change I can believe in: moving away from our addiction to foreign oil and moving towards renewables, clean coal, nuclear, ALL OF THE ABOVE. Drill, drill and drill. PLUS all the other common sense approaches to an issue that should have been tackled under Carter or even before Carter.

This is, really and truly, change I can believe in. We must shift gears and put America first in our foreign and domestic policies. Only after we put our own house in order will we be able truly to help others in need.

John had been a lonely "voice in the wilderness." Now he is close to the Promised Land. Unlike Moses, however, he will, I think, enter the Promised Land. On Nov. 4, 2008.
We Independents are, like Him, "well pleased."

support alternative energy
The Republicans support alternative sources of energy, but they know that it will take time to transition to these sources of energy, that's why they support drilling for oil now.
The Democrats seem to think that you can be driving down the road one day in a gasoline powered car and presto the next day you'll be driving an electric car, hydrogen powered or some other fuel without any lag time in between. My opinion is that we will need all the sources of energy that we are currently using, but expanded.

Pancho, part 2
"People will use food outlets closer to home. They will vacation closer to home."

Yeah, guess all those vacation resorts in Nebraska will be thriving. Meanwhile, Florida residents will be enough to maintain the Florida tourism industry.

"It's a market thing. Some things don't survive in certain economic conditions, like DeSotos and Packards."

No argument there, the market will decide. And if we follow the Dems' no drill policy, the market will decide the hell with all of us.



George
...you stand corrected...

"The Republican Congress and Senate put an ANWR drilling bill on President Clinton's desk in 1995, but he vetoed it."

"If Clinton had signed the 1995 ANWR drilling bill passed by a Republican Congress..."


Drill, drill
All this rhetoric about drilling reminds me that not too long ago the Republicans were in the majority and did nothing about off-shore drilling. All the present debate proves is that the Republicans are better than the Democrats at determining the direction of the wind. If the Republicans were really concerned about the good of the country, they would have passed an off-shore drilling measure while they had the power.

hitchhiker
isn't mccain also proposing a cap and trade policy.

i am almost postitive. let me know if i am wrong

R.A.M.
That was a good description of the energy policy of the democratic party. Or the result of cap and trade global warmism legislation, the holy grail of Red Nancy. It's all the same thing anyway.

sandrob
Certainly will be interesting but, a prelude to the next four years which will likely prove very very interesting.

A world in which Israel allowed Iran to 'get the bomb' would be very unstable. Gas prices would double at least. I think Iran's calculations of likely U.S. responses would be heavily influenced by the outcome of this election. As a not so objective observer, I would figure very small odds of a response from Obama to provocative actions up to and including nuking Israel. They would be much more reluctant to make the attempt with McCain at the wheel. His maverick nickname comes in handy for one thing at least, a credible bluff. Or, not a bluff if it comes to it. How seriously do the American people take national security. General Betray us ?!! A war based on lies. Bring the troops home yesterday. We don't have the stomach if things get ugly. Many want to follow Buchanan back into our shell now. Interesting times indeed.

Pancho
I wasn't putting words in your mouth at all; I was pointing out what you didn't say. As for monster truck shows and NASCAR, those are a tiny fraction of a drop in the bucket of the oil we use. They also employ people. Maybe we should add your job to the list of things you consider useless.

Marinero
Thanks for putting words in my mouth. It shows an insecurity that you can't make a valid point without dishonesty and distortion.

Here's something that might go out of business - Monster truck shows. The local NASCAR minor league racetrack.

People will use food outlets closer to home. They will vacation closer to home. It's a market thing. Some things don't survive in certain economic conditions, like DeSotos and Packards.

Sandrob
You're delusional. Gas will never be $2 a gallon again, even if every inch of public land in this country were drilled.

>Oil traders sent crude prices tumbling as low as $118 a barrel Tuesday on the growing belief that a U.S. economic slowdown and high energy costs are curbing consumer demand for gasoline and other petroleum products.<

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices; _ylt=AgfuksKhqlWKiw39OeBZ4e2yBhIF

If it's BS, then it's working

Sandrob...you gotta be kidding me!!
Think about what you are saying. If Israel bombs Iran and gas really hits $8-$10 gallon, our economy will go into the biggest depression that the world has ever seen. It may literally be the next fall of Rome.

Are you kidding me? Our economy cannot sustain those prices. Many companies are struggling now on less than half of those figures. Business will completely shut down. Any airline still in business would be crippled. The trucking industry would be decimated. Anything relative to intra-state, interstate and national distribution will almost come to a halt. Banks will be destroyed and our government will try to institute some sort of mass bailout to prevent millions of people from being left on the street. The Great Depression would seem silly in proportion.

This really isn't our beef. If Israel wants to strike Iran, they need to do it on their own dime and at their own peril. We should not be forced to accept the constant negative repercussions and risk a possible economic shutdown for ANY third-party country.

Are you willing to hand over your job and livlihood for countries outside of our own?

Screw that!!! I want benefits from our allies, not punishment. Where are the benefits?

If that's what they want to do. So be it. But, we shouldn't have to bear the burden.

Pancho
I don't doubt that conservation has something to do with the drop in oil prices, but it's also a fact that speculators can see that the push for drilling is gaining momentum by the day. Conservation can be a good thing, but it can also be a bad thing. When your tiny liberal brain thinks of the word "conservation," you imagine people trading in gas guzzlers for subcompacts and teenagers not going out for joyrides -- in other words, "people using this resource more responsibly." A bigger reality, however, is people not going out to eat as much, thereby putting restaurants out of business, people not going on vacations, thereby putting the tourism industry out of business, and all sorts of other things that put all sorts of people out of business. Those are all effects of conservation. Eventually, you yourself might be put out of business; then we'll see if you still think conservation is nothing but good.

Hey ModMark
Just this morning I was saying nice things about you to my dog Silver. I assured him you would turn away from the grey side and in response he barked. I even told him that if he sired a litter I would name one of the pups "Volt". He was really anxious about that pup thing. Now I have to tell him it won't be until Nov 5th.
LOL

Not true Pancho
That's BS. You have fallen for the garbage that has been promoted by the war profiteering oil companies and their corupt government counterparts who have allowed them to get away with it.

Yeah, prices are going down now because political pressure is on them. They'll get it back going again if people start buying their crap like you have done. Besides, they already have made most of their money. They're backing off. A new administration is coming.

Don't take my word from it. Check out the EIA website and luck at the numbers. Don't listen to some Bushie telling you what the numbers mean. But, make your own determination from the actual figures.

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_sum_sndw_dcus_nus_w.h tm

The speculators justify their price by saying what China and India will do some time in the future. When? Don't know. Doesn't matter. Gotta pay for it now.

Check the demand from 8/5/2007 or from 8/5/2006. It's not much different than today. However, the prices have risen dramatically in two years. Based on what? Not usage or consumption; which hasn't changed much. But, on PROJECTED usage or when some weirdo verbally threatens to harm a pipeline somewhere. It's all SPECULATION. When it's all speculation, you can use any reason you want to raise the prices and ignore the actual facts on the ground. Supply and demand doesn't matter.

I actually agree with drilling. But, I am not naive enough to believe that we can allow the speculators to continue to dominate the market and think that they won't screw us on prices.

Hey Pancho
drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill! drill!
Until gas is at $2.00/gal

Time to go
good night all

Nobody noticed?
The price of oil plunged today.

Why?

Demand.

That's right, while the drill! drill! drill! crowd was ignoring that the best way to bring down gas prices immediately was to conserve and use this resource more responsibly, the vast majority of Americans weren't.

You'd think conservatives would blend a conservation message along with a renewed effort to exploit domestic resources, but then they'd look like they were actually interested in moving the country forward instead of using the energy issue as a political agenda.

Hey Hitchhiker
Watch Israel, they will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. They are stuck between hitting Iran now or waiting until after the elections. Gee, I wonder if they will wait for Obama so he can talk to Iran or McCain who stood his ground on Iraq.
Gas will hit the ceiling.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that are going to get hurt when gas Hits $8 - $10/gal. This won't bother the Volvo crowd though, they will just blame it on Bush.
The next few months are going to be very interesting.

Inflation...
is what we have and Bush and Republicans are mostly to blame for it. The joined with Democrats on a spending binge, and higher prices, pushed up by inflating the dollar to pay for that binge, is the natural result. Drill, Drill, Drill...ridiculous.

sandrob
I agree completely. Libs have tied the oil companies' hands with their environmental lunacy, then turn around and use that as an excuse for not drilling, because it would take too long. How's that for honesty? It's time we exposed their arguments on drilling as the lies and hypocrisy that they are. Baseballdoc and vic are right; this is all about getting us to be just like the Europeans that Obama and the libs admire so much: "green" socialists paying $10 a gallon for gas, with Big Brother exercising greater and greater control over our lives.

baseballdoc
Imho, the people who gave them that power would be the same ones that suffered through the depression. Capitalism had failed, so they were told, and the government would have to step in to support them. Easy prey for the fascists. It is actually somewhat amazing to me considering the past Eighty years and the communist control of education that there are as many true freedom loving Americans left as there are. At this point, Pandora's box cannot be closed. We have election after election proving that the 'people' will send the same ones back to fix what they screwed up and will eagerly believe the lies from the assorted players because they want to. They want the government to control everything.

My little town now has an Olive Garden restaurant. For years, people wanted one to avoid the forty five mile drive to the nearest one. It was very enlightening listening to the gripes. Probably ninety percent of the people complaining thought lobbying the city council was the best way to achieve this as though government decided everything. The people have been trained to look to government first regardless of the issue. It gets worse. The people of New Orleans did not expect their city government or county government to help them. They did not petition the state government for help. Their first and only savior was Uncle Sam.

Hey baseballdoc
You're not telling me anything I don't know, but it's that or MSNBC or CNN or CBS or NBC or ABC or CSpan or NPR. He almost seems like a moderate (no offense ModMark) compared to the others. At least he quit going on about "Ethanol". That was driving me nuts.

Hey Marinero
The reason the Socialist believe it will take ten years is because they believe the Environmentalist can sue and tie things up in court for that long. They are also counting on the Socialist in Congress to cause greater bureaucratic delays thru legislation.
I've seen figures ranging from 1 to 2 years if the above impediments are eliminated. I also heard the engineering on the OCS will cause delays but I think most of the major engineering has already been performed hundreds of times. It's not like the oil companies are new at this. I also believe they have the seismic technology to expedite exploration. Sam T, the EnergyGuy and even ModMark have a pretty good handle on this subject even if they all disagree at times. If I were to bet $100 on oil from the OCS, I would bet on 2 years and hope for 1 year.



baseballdoc
The Dems want to wean us all right. They want to wean us off of capitolism.

christianlib
Nobody can tell you just how much oil is out there, how long it would take to get at it, or how much it would affect the price. For one thing, there are vast areas that heven't even been explored yet. For another, the location of the oil(undersea, on land, shale) would affect how long it would take. What we can say with great certainty is that limiting where oil companies can drill and hampering their every move with environmental impact studies, permit requirements, and endless lawsuits does indeed greatly limit how much oil we can get, how long it will take us to get it, and how much it will impact the price. Just get the government the hell out of the way and let the oil companies do what they do. Other countries don't have a problem with this; why should we?

SANDROB

.....As much as O'Reilly tries to deny it ...he is a Socialist at heart ...his hairbrained idea of having the CEO's of the Energy Companies take the earning of the stockholders and just give it away is as unethical as the trade unions taking the dues of their members to support political parties ...

.....Why doesn't O'Reilly donate 2% of his salary and ask FOX NEWS to do the same? .....COLOSSUS

DEMOCRATS WANT TO WEAN US

.....They have stated it plainly ...they restrict oil exploration because they want to wean us off oil without anything in the wings to step in to fill the breech ...so they are willing to sink the economy and make Americans suffer until this "miracle" replacement for oil suddenly appears? ...

.....My question is, who gave the politicians the right to "wean" us off anything? ... I think they have become drunk with their own power and need to be kicked out of office .....COLOSSUS

Hey R.A.M.
I don't know what flavor of politics you belong to but I get very confused when people keep changing the "Reason" oil is high. I was listening to O'Reilly last night or the night before and he wanted "Big Oil" to voluntarily give up 2% of their earnings to "The Folks".
It wasn't that long ago, the Congress was singing the same song. Then when the polls showed the people were not buying the "Big Oil" reason, they came up with another. "Speculators". People are not buying that either. So, next we had "10 Years". Didn't work. Then Harry got up as said "Oil is making us sick". That didn't work either. Nancy said she is saving the planet. Nope, that was no good either.
So, I guess my point is, did you get left behind back at the "Speculators" or did you just decide to shuffle the cards and pick one at random?
Either way, we need to drill for more oil.


$5, No
$7, No. $10, No. Wow. This is kind of exciting. Let them eat cake. Let them drive to work on our saving the planet rhetoric. I hope they stick to their guns. We might see a true revolution. Please stick to your guns democrats. No more oil for Americans. We can walk or ride bicycles until the wind powered car is perfected. This would be really funny if it were not so serious. Still, there is the silver lining. Perhaps Pelosi's head in a basket.

Throw up your hands
... that's the attitude from bryce, kimberly, and so many other libs. Of course, they really don't want drilling for "environmental" reasons, so all this "it can't be done" BS is just a smokescreen. Why do they only cite statistics that bolster their "no drill" argument, while ignoring the claims of industry experts that we can have oil flowing from fields in the Gulf (as one example) in a year or two max? Why do they only talk about known oil reserves, while ignoring the fact that there may be huge quantities of oil yet to be discovered, as so many other countries are doing? Why is it they already know in advance that drilling would do nothing, but they are absolutely convinced that we will find some magical replacement for oil in no time at all?

Despite their claims that conservatives only want to "drill, drill, drill," most of us favor an "all of the above" strategy (unlike them). Reasonable people who are interested in solving a problem are willing to look at all sides and consider all options. And you certainly don't begin by throwing up your hands and admitting defeat before you've even tried something.

Hey ModMark
A fellow Arizonian once said:

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

Over 70% of the American People want our government out of the way so the oil companies can drill.
Preventing drilling is unjust.

Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fairy tail that is going to cost the tax payers of this country trillions of dollars and give the government full control of our businesses.

This is unjust.

At what point do you get off the fence post and pick a side or take a stand?

BTW
I think a cheaper and more efficient (I threw in the "efficient" just for you) mode of transportation is a good idea, but not at the point of a gun.


Even the idiot government assigns only
a small portion of the price increase to speculators. You liberals keep dragging out the same idiot Commiecrat talking points. You need some fresh lies.

The reason prices are going up is that demand is exceeding supply. Demand has increased dramatically in China, India, and the Middle East and supply has been stagnent. Supply has actually DECREASED in the U.S.

It is that simple.

Hard Thought
But, the difference with the oil speculators is that they've been allowed to corner the market and then determine the price. They trade off-shore and use loopholes to supercede normal buying limits that are imposed on every other industry.

It's a different ball-game for these guys. They are allowed to play by different rules than everyone else and every other industry and the rest of the American people are paying the price for it.

Ever heard about a "sale" on gas? Ever wonder why their product is the only one that never goes on sale and all of their prices are almost identical?? Nevermind...I'm not even going to start on their collusion.

Who are the Speculators, R.A.M.?
Who are they and how do you propose to eliminate them? I don't know this for certain but collectively, I doubt "they" truly "suck in all the money from the American economy" since oil is a global commodity, actively traded on global exchanges with multiple countries, e.g. China, India, U.S., and others bidding prices up-and-down as the market, supply-and-demand, hunches, indicators, government policies, etc., dictate.

You might have noticed oil prices recently spiked at the prospect of storm damage along the Gulf coast but later retreated on the news the storm was down-graded and consequently, there would not be much in the way of damage, thus, no interuptions of supply, production and/or distribution.


Mod Mark's Volt too small?
If only they could come up with a practical hybrid or electrical type with some meat to it. 8 passenger would be nice.

Michigan's Fred Upton is pushing for wind and nuclear (maybe some solar as well) also working with GM on an all electric. This will turn some of our oil needs to electricity so while our oil needs may stablize or reduce, our electrical needs will just keep going up.

R.A.M
Speculators will ALWAYS be part of any commodity market. They take great risk and reap great rewards.

A corn speculator may sell 50,000 bushels of corn at $x for delivery on 1 September. He signs that contract and then tries to find corn at a lower price so he can make money.

He MUST produce 50,000 bushels on 1 September. If he cannot, then there are penalties, which comes out of his pocket. If he cannot produce at $x then he must go and spend $xx and lose money.

Speculators are part of the market. We need to give them something to speculate about and that would be increased supply.

The price would drop.

Drilling and Liberals
You liberals never answered my question. What will happen to the price of oil if the U.S. stopped pumping all the oil wells in the U.S?

More drilling??? Won't work....
The speculators are killing us. Until we get rid of them, none of this will be worth a hill of beans. They'll simply say "well, China is going to use more than that in 2025, so the increased supply doesn't matter. Turn up the juice on the prices!!"

We have to get them out of the market. The writer is wrong. Drill, drill, drill hasn't really done much at all. Seems like everyone has a shaky memory. The oil industry backers are all lathered up because the price has come down a little bit. But, they conveniently forget to mention that we are still paying about 50% more for gas than we were this time last year even though we have more supply than we did at that time and the demand has dropped by 9 BILLION miles!

The speculators control the market and they don't use supply and demand to justify their prices. By definition they ignore the actual numbers and use "speculation" to determine the price. By this method, we'll get hosed every time.

Prices go from $2.70/gallon to $4.50/gallon with almost identical supply/demand figures. They suck in all the money from the American economy, then drop the price to $3.80/gallon and we're supposed to applaud and thank them for it???

Screw that!

UncleB
"other things we consume that require oil to make them."
--------------
Good point and the demand for such products are only going up, not down.

No matter how we determine our energy future needs, we will always consume oil for products.

Kudlow's approaches elitism.
Does anyone get the impression that Kudlow is smirking at the masses here.

He writes this column with a false sense of pride praising the GOP's push for drilling (as if they are the some sort of guardian angel) while Pelosi and her lemmings do the predictable thing and shut it down. Political manipulation to gain and control power is all this drill drill drill message is about.

Sorry Kudlow, but this is not a proud moment for the GOP. Contract with America? Not even close.

Primus54
In the great state of Georgia,we have early voting.You may vote any day up until November 4.I will not discuss with you the "Metaphor", that is embedded in that statement.Drive safely...

bryce
You have not proved that drilling would NOT have any effect on price. We might as well try to do some of these things. Inaction has its own set of dangers. Regular gas burning cars are gonna be around for at least another 10 15 years. Even if other type vehicles are produced we will need gas for the older vehicles. Everyone cannot afford to buy new vehicles every 2 or 3 years. This does not take into consideration all the other things we consume that require oil to make them.

How much additional oil and gasoline
will be provided by the Democrats' measures?


00000

Hard Thought, Re: "bryce"
If bryce were a critical thinker, he'd look around his own state (Michigan) and see what years of liberal leadership has done to its infrastructure, employment and economy.

Unfortunately, parts of Ohio are following suit.

It's Clinton's fault


Those of you who keep insisting that if we start to drill now, it will take 10 years to get the gas in the tank.

Well, what you are really saying is that if Clinton had started drilling 10 years ago, as he should have, we would have that gas in our tnks today.

Can you argue with that, envior traitors?


Typo
Third sentence in second paragraph should read: "Additionally, the building CODE is..."

Mandatory Building Code Requirements
Just as all the mandatory anti-pollution, safety, and fuel economy requirements have driven up the cost of automobiles, for questionable returns, so would putting mandatory energy provisions in the building code add to the cost of homes and buildings. If you think real estate is expensive now, imagine what it would be with another layer of bureaucratic (e.g. the energy inspector) nonsense added.

However, the building code is intended to ensure that buildings are safe for occupants and emergency personnel, it does not address energy consumption. Getting a change through the code takes years, and there's no guarantee that the change will last more than one three-year cycle. Additionally, the building is a national model that each jurisdiction can modify before adopting, so even if energy requirements in the code were an option, they would not be universal.

If you really want to see energy efficiency taken up, lobby for tax credits for both the consumer and the provider. That will get results. And not just wimpy symbolic tax credits, but credits for the whole cost of the upgrade.

Hard Thought
I don't know if you had a chance to read any of the comments on yesterday's Prelutsky thread, but there was one post by "Sophie" that was a picture-perfect example of liberal thinking.

While defending European "culture" and tax payer funding for the National Endowment of the Arts, she asked if we (the U.S) would want our culture dictated by the "average persons" one finds in our shopping malls - the inference being that such folks are beer drinking, tattooed Nascar fans.

Pure leftist elitism... the "we know better than you" crowd.

BTW, your 1:26 PM post was excellent and irrefutable (although some will try).

Here's the solution #2


Now that problem is solved, let’s make use of that air power.

Consider each of these, then both of these. Place another roof on the car, a couple of inches above the existing roof, with a couple inch scoop in front, and install a number of turbines that will be turned by the wind, and generate electricity to operate the car, and charge the batteries as you drive.

Or, place an additional sheet of metal two inches below the sheet of metal we just installed below the car, and in that area, install some more turbines to be turned by the passing air.

Yes, I know I have no idea of “something for nothing.” And I have heard about perpetual motion machines, and how easy they are to build. Some people have said that is possible for thousands of years.

Really, I have no idea if it will work, and no idea how to prove it one way or the other, but couldn’t the drag of the air and the turbines, be considerable less than the power needed to drive the car.

Don’t forget, I never said the turbines would supply all the needed power, just that maybe, just maybe, it could keep the battery charged, as least partially.

I can’t wait for the answers to this, from engineers who have knowledge, and hope'rs who have hopes.


bryce
Obviously you can't read nor understand plain English.

Read my points, earlier.

Here's the solution #1


Hey now, here is an idea I bet you haven’t thought of before. The main reason you haven’t thought of it, is because I am the only person in the world with my brain.

Yes, and I wonder, if I am so smart why ain’t I rich.

As you drive on the Freeway, put your hand out the window, and see how powerful that wind is. Now lets try to reduce it’s effect on the car, and try to use that effect to power the car.

In the past few decades, auto designers have done all they could to make cars as ugly as possible, using the excuse that they are reducing the air drag on the car.

Well, maybe they did some of that, but did you ever look under your car, and see all those gadgets hanging here and there that block the wind. The axles, the transmission the differential, the tail pipe and all those other gadgets.

Now why not place a flat sheet of metal under the car, leaving only the tires and the fenders hitting the passing wind.




killer
Speaking of "dumb as", November 2nd is a Sunday.

Please feel free to cast your votes on that day.

bryce
Sorry - I had some "profit making" business to attend.

I'm going to attempt one last time to bring some "common sense" into the argument.

If you don't think an aggressive approach to utilizing ALL U.S. resources of oil, including ANWR, continental shelves, tar sands and oil shale, will NOT lower gasoline prices, now and in the future, then you simply do not understand the principle of supply and demand.

It is VERY easy to test this principle (as Vic pointed out). STOP existing domestic production and tell me what will happen to gasoline prices.

As far as these "projections" for how long it will take for aggressive production to enter the pipeline - and the "projections" differ depending upon whose you read - you cannot convince me that the nation that put men on the moon in about 8-1/2 years from the time it became a national priority (in the 1960s, no less!), cannot bring its vast talents to bear and bring energy resources online faster than 10 years.

(BTW - do you and others believe the DOE is operated solely by "Bush Republicans"? Is the State Dept.?)

And, to quote you, "Talk about drinking the koolaid."

ModMark
Nothing about your or my personal life should be mandatory! That is the problem with the environmentalist movement as it stands today.

They are not content to modify Their lifestyles as they see fit, but want to force their choices on you, too.

Let the market decide. And if you decide wrongly through ignorance or not doing your homework, then the problem is yours as was the choice.

Please, no "mandatory" solutions. It only causes resentment no matter how noble sounding or principled the argument may be.

That is why conservatives abhor a nanny state.

Sounds like a winner


So just by "inflating our tires", we will offset the production from … … ….

Let’s think of that again. First you have to gather all the pieces of metal, rubber, plastic, glass, and all those other things it takes to make an air pump.

Then you must build a factory (if you use an existing factory, you are still “using” it and that leads to repairs, etc.), hire people to assemble them, put them on a truck, drive the truck, using fuel, to get the air pump to its location.

Design the site, find the sand and gravel needed to make the concrete, mix the concrete, build a truck that can haul it, pour the concrete, have people there to level the concrete, and install the air pump.

Now connect the electricity. Whoops, wait a minute, you mean you will use electricity that needed fuel to generate, to run the pump that will inflate the tire that will run for a million miles before it has saved the calories and the natural resources needed the build the air pump.

Sounds like a real saver to me.


On substance...45 posts later
And none of the advocates for drilling have produced any empirical supporting their claims that opening up new areas would have any real effect on energy prices.

Talk about drinking the koolaid.

Primus
My info comes from the government's Energy Information Administration, the official gov't source on energy.

And yours?

edieb
I agree with all the positions you listed. I would only add that I think Jorge B is dangerous with regard to the SPP/North American Union. That is as dangerous as the socialism of Nobama.

killer
pardon me, you mistake me for someone who take you serious. Don't bother posting anything to me.

christianlib
Oil from drilling right now will be on the market within three years.

The price of oil should, I say should, drop immediately when the US announces it will go after its' own petroleum. Look what happened when GW dropped the executive ban on drilling, a $9 reduction in price in one day.

I cannot tell you how much lower the price will be if we start drilling here, nor can anyone else, I daresay. But, and this is the crux of the situation in my view, exploiting our own resources would give us time to develop the alternatives needed for the way ahead. Not doing so will bring the economy to a screeching halt.

Inaction has its' own penalties and they are dire.

BTW, going to get a geothermal heat pump installed on my existing home. About $300 a year in total heating and cooling costs.

Conservation and being a good steward of the land isn't evil except when used to wield power over others like environmentalists try to do.


If you have ever voted for a Democrat
then high gas prices are your fault, crime in the inner city is your fault, high food prices are your fault, in fact

nearly every problem facing this country today is your fault.

Vic #113
How does it feel to realize you're a "Slave"?I knew, that those "Slow Americans" would eventually figure it out.What made it all clear for you?The fact that both McCain and Obama support "Cap and Trade".You and those like you, don't even realize that November 2 is just a date on the calendar.They both work for the same people."Dumb As"...

vic
sure and i have voted for republicans and i have voted for third party candidates.

i vote the person not the party.

i am a registered independent.

didn't vote for clinton once because of my religious beliefs.

CL
I have another question for you.

Have you ever voted for a Democrat?

Call Back Congress Petition!
http://www.callbackcongress.com/thanks.asp

CL
We would get a larger increase in gas milage and reduction in gas price if we elliminated ALL polution controls on autmobiles, trucks, and ect. Why don't we do that.

As for drilling, if congress passed a law today to allow drilling in ANWR and off the coasts the price of oil would drop immediately as the people who buy and sell futures would expect an increase in SUPPLY that would reduce prices.

As the oil started coming on line the price would decrease more UNLESS China, India, and The Middle east increased their demand more than the increased output.

Which is the last item of concern. IF we don't drill and those countries continue to increase usage, as expected, then the price of oil long term is going to continue to increase through the roof.

It is called simple supply and demand.

So now I have a question for YOU. If we all of a sudden quit drilling and pumping oil in all of the U.S. what would the price of oil do?

Presidency is McCain's to Lose
I am a Republican, however, I can't say that I am happy with all members of the party within the past three years. They are acting more like liberal Democrats in their decisions as well as some criminal activities. (I include Pres. Bush in his support of the failed Amnesty/Immigration Bill, and his refusal to Pardon the illegally convicted Border Agents Ramos and Compean.)

Considering that patriotic Americans should be obsessed about keeping the Socialist Barack Obama from winning the Presidency, I think the Party, and especially McCain's campaign managers, are doing an abysmal job. Let Obama hang himself. McCain and his campaign should be focusing on encouraging Americans to stand up for our Freedoms: from terror by staying on the offensive; from dependency on Mid-eastern oil; from excessive taxation that ruins individuals, businesses, and the economy; from judicial tyranny by legislating judges, and from tariffs that destroy the economy.

If he is serious about running as a Republican, McCain must be as loyal to our beliefs as he is to America. That means promising to: close the borders with the promised fence (without his expressed reluctance), deport all criminal illegal immigrants, and impose big fines on employers who help them gain fake IDs to work here. (I also have a bone to pick with him on his support of the failed Illegal Immigration Bill.) He must promise to stop all congressional earmarks, push for drilling in ANWR as well as off-shore, and promote nuclear and clean coal shale energy. He should do more research on the scam that Global Warming promoters are pushing (I can help him there with great scientific research reports), instead of getting in line behind them. But most of all, McCain must show more energy and aggressiveness than he has so far in, order to reassure voters that he really wants to win.

The Leader Has No Faith
Nancy Pelosi, leader of the House, has no faith that her much touted majority will support her leadership relative to leadership's energy solutions. This paragon of leadership, who came into the queenly position of speaker about two years ago, can not trust Democrats to lock step with her and Sir Harry on this issue and she is running away. Trying to sell a book on her dynamic and energetic leadership. The book will flop, her leadership has flopped and the American people will win in the end. Run Nancy, but you can not hide, the American people want their own energy program not yours.

Drill Now, Drill Here and pay less to foreign oil countries.

Recall Pelosi and Reid

I didn't know who put Pelosi and Reid in control of the House and Senate until I learned that their Democrat constituents voted them in, but it is time for Americans to get them out. We can't wait for the next election. They are the reasons for the 9% polling rate that Congress now has. I've learned that only their constituents in Congress can start the processes. I've been emailing and calling, and if you agree with me, contact your states' representatives too. Just tell them to recall these power-mad idiots or you will vote Republican in all future elections. That might get their attention. It is time we stopped paying terrorists for oil and became totally independent by drilling our own wells both in ANWR and off-share, as well as pushing for clean coal shale and nuclear power plants.

As far as our automobile manufacturers going bankrupt--it is their own fault for refusing to research alternative sources of power and start making our own type of Prius.

I have no sympathy either for people who bought homes they knew they couldn't afford or who continue to live above their means and then expect the government to bail them out.

I am a Republican but lost a lot of respect for Pres. Bush and Sen. McCain when they supported the failed Immigration "Amnesty" bill, and also because Bush has refused to Pardon the unlawfully convicted Border Agents Ramos and Compean. I also don't like to see him getting wishy-washy with Democrats just to get more Bills passed. I agreed with him on his 9/11 stance and still think he was correct, though he should have listened to the Officers in the field instead of politicians.

One thing I feel really urgently is a sense of doom that our beloved U.S. will become another Socialist dictatorship under Obama.

EdieB

EXCELLENT POST HARD THOUGHT...

DITTOs on that post....

Thank you...

Flaming Liberal Ignorance
Flaming Liberal says: "Sure, screw the environment, just DRILL DRILL DRILL!!! Give the people what (you say) they want, when they want it! (After all, look how well that whole SUV thing is working out...)"

Talk about tunnel vision. I'm getting really tired of libs defining oil consumption strictly in transportation terms. I heat my house with oil, as do many other Americans. I am willing to turn my thermostat down, but I will not be freezing this winter.

Guess what my renewable, alternative fuel will be. WOOD!! Clean-burning, environmentally friendly wood. Is that what you call progress?

mod mark posted this link
it is from the US dept of energy.

here is what it says in brief

The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher—2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.


http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html


anybody care to comment?

hard thought
i am asking some basic questions.

how long will it take if we drill everywhere to see relief at the pump.

what will that relief be in the form of pricing.

we currently use 20 million barrels a day, what percentage of that will be covered by drilling.

CL
What you, and a lot of other people, are missing is the REAL issue. The Lames care NOTHING for the environment, they care NOTHING for money going overseas, and they care NOTHING about AGW.

ALL of their proposed solutions to every problem, which they created to begin with, have a solution that involves a tax increase. ALL of these issues are just smoke screens for the advancement of U.S. and worldwide socialism/communism.

uncleb
contrary to what you believe i have posted on townhall for years and have learned much from conservative friends and some have learned from me.

that is the american tradition.

see some of us are after the truth no matter where it takes us.

your cynicism should be reserved for those posters you are familiar with.


"Cleaning house...."
I hear it tossed around as if it means everybody's representative but their own. I hear it mentioned as if it means only Republicans, or only Democrats. Really, they weren't elected for a lifetime! Americans had better take stock, that Congressman or Senator who sends the occasional pleasant letter needs to be fired if he/she isn't doing the job to which they were elected. If they don't represent the constituent, and only "follow the leader," we ought to be fed-up with them and vote them out.
If they vote against our economy or protection for America, time to tell them good-bye!
That means Democrat and Republican alike. When they're more interested in pleasing their political leaders than the voter who sent them to Washington, tell them they're through.
No more warnings....just a termination notice.

Christianlib
Theactual benefits of drilling. Is that what you are asking for?

1. $700 billion a year is sent overseas for oil. Drilling for domestic oil will greatly reduce that.

2. Saving the planet. At present, the most backward state owned oil companies are drilling for oil in very environmentally unsound ways. US extraction technology is the cleanest on the planet.

3. Prices. World prices will come down as soon as the oil fields are opened because there will be much less speculation on unsafe supplies. Think Nigerian pipeline being bombed by rebels.

4. Increased tax revenue for your pet projects.
Domestic production will keep the sales taxes, federal exise taces, income taxes and social security taxes in the US and no contractor will be operating in a tax free overseas environment. (Used to work in one, myself.)

5. Employment opportunities. New jobs would be created, domestically. This also genrates more revenue. See point 4, above.

Now, on to other considerations. Should we explore new technologies? Absolutely, and develop them as fast as we can.

Should we use alternatives and conserve more now? Absolutely.

Should we demand higher mpg on purely internal combustion engine autos, now? No, because with current technology, the only way to improve mpg is to lighten the load, thereby making cars more dangerous like the last time this was tried. BTW, that is what ushered in the SUV's with higher survivability.

Ethanol should be consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs because it is not efficient using corn.

All of this is a matter of public record. Educate yourself and others.

CL
I don't consider either one of those people thatyou mentioned as experts on what the tire pressure in the U.S. is and because they have an (R) after their name doesn't make them any better than the liberal socialists that they are.

You see, conservatives are not blind party hacks like liberals are.

Vic said:
"Kevin

What the Republicrats should be doing is figuring out a way to oust Mclame at the convention. 70% of the primary voters voted against him. We need someone in there who voted for drilling in 2005 and voted FOR tax cuts."

Vic,

I could not agree with you more. A true conservative running on a true conservative platform would be moppping the floor with Le Messiah. My suggestion is Kasich/Steele '08, but there are other good choices as well.

vic
well, i would consider nascar as an expert on the benefits of tire inflation.

the point is that it is not just obama who has called for this but other republicans.


christianlibber
why should anyone bother trying to tell you anything. You would not believe it anyway. Or, you would find some fault with whatever answer was given.

drill, Drill!, DRILL!

Sure, screw the environment, just DRILL DRILL DRILL!!! Give the people what (you say) they want, when they want it! (After all, look how well that whole SUV thing is working out...)

gov. crisp of FL and shwarznegger of
CA, tire experts, energy experts, and familiar with the pressure of every tire in the U.S.

I am impressed.

An excerpt from a ltr to RNC, et al
Although I am a Republican,I can't say that I am happy with all members of the party within the past three years. They are acting more like liberal Democrats in their decisions as well as some criminal activities. (I include Pres. Bush in his support of the failed Amnesty/Immigration Bill, and his refusal to Pardon the illegally convicted Border Agents Ramos and Compean.)

Considering that patriotic Americans should be obsessed about keeping the Socialist Barack Obama from winning the Presidency, I think the Party, and especially McCain's campaign managers, are doing an abysmal job. Let Obama hang himself. McCain and his campaign should be focusing on encouraging Americans to stand up for our Freedoms: from terror by staying on the offensive; from dependency on Mid-eastern oil; from excessive taxation that ruins individuals, businesses, and the economy; from judicial tyranny by legislating judges, and from tariffs that destroy the economy.

If he is serious about running as a Republican, McCain must be as loyal to our beliefs as he is to America. That means promising to: close the borders with the promised fence (without his expressed reluctance), deport all criminal illegal immigrants, and impose big fines on employers who help them gain fake IDs to work here. (I also have a bone to pick with him on his support of the failed Illegal Immigration Bill.) He must promise to stop all congressional earmarks, push for drilling in ANWR as well as off-shore, and to promote nuclear and clean coal shale energy. He should do more research on the scam that Global Warming promoters are pushing, instead of getting in line behind them. But most of all, McCain must show more energy and aggressiveness than he has so far, in order to reassure voters that he really wants to win.
Edie B


Lib_mark
They BOTH require mining, they both require heating. The only difference that I can see is that tar sands also require a great deal of water for processing.

BTW, we do have BOTH of these and we are processing neither.

It is amazing that the libs love ALL of the socialist items in Canada but when something else actually helpful is mentioned they have a myocardial infarction.

Go GOP!
For the first time in 4 or 5 years, GOP Congressional leadership has finally done something worthwhile. The idea to keep debating energy issues after Pelosi and friends went on vacation was a great PR coup. Keep it up! In the end, Americans always vote their pocketbook. More and more people now realize that an anti-coal, anti-oil, anti-nuke, anti-industry future, and anti-human is both bleak and expensive. Letter to liberals: Please keep up the good work. You may yet succeed in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory come this November.

Drill Drill
This issue is the defining moment for the Republicans and if they take a multifaceted approach and demand that we finally develop a comprehensive strategy, both short and long term objectives, then November will belong to them. It clearly shows how out of touch the democrats are and just think if there really was a major crisis, do you think we'd want to wait for some long term solution? Don't forget that the majority is in the hands of the democrats and they are still in charge of congress, where are they; on vacation and we have to wait and wait until they see fit to help out the people they are supposed to represent. Their actions really make me feel 'important'.

mod mark
here is the irony over the tire pressure thing.

nascar, gov. crisp of florida and shwarznegger of california, and the bush adminstration dept. of energy have all said tire pressure would cut demand my approx. 3 per cent. that is a half million barrells a day.

in fact chrisp and shwarznegger were at a news conference with mccain when they said it.


In August, Goodyear introduced a new generation of fuel-efficient tires — Fuel Max Technology — claiming they’ll improve the fuel economy of your fleet. Test results conducted by the Society of Automotive Engineers show the new line of tires increased fuel economy by about 4% compared to standard Goodyear over-the-road tires.




Come on Vito
We all know its the Jews' fault, right?

mod mark
how are you doing?
been out the lakes recently?

so we consume 20 million barrels a day.

you notice i have asked twice for someone anyone to tell me the actual specific benefits of drilling and i can't get an answer.


duh
Has anyone ever notice that when REPS come up with a Plan LIBS call it a trick and when LIBS come up with a Plan its called helping the people by LIBS , I can only wonder what people they are talking about when over 70% of WE THE PEOPLE say DRILL NOW. Still waiting for NINECEE%
Peloseee GAS PLAN she promised in 06 that helped win them the elections

Well I guess when 70% or more of WE THE PEOPLE say drill I guess that the REPS have to win becuase somehow we now have 70% of the vote because every LIB on here says it isnt so that they wont to drill. Boy that get out the vote that LIBS are pushing seem to backfire on them if we have 70% of the AMERICAN PEOPLE now saying DRILL and LIBS on here say it isnt them. Then who are the other 20% or more of WE THE PEOPLE are them.

Remember how the ILLEGAL AMNESTY BILL bit Congress in the ARSE and let them not forget that WE THE PEOPLE(70%) say drill now and see what happens in NOV. Dont blame REPS for stacking the voting booths or not letting Votes be counted WHEN YOU LOSE in NOV.


RE: Primus
You stated: "On this note, the Chinese are currently spending as much on research into renewables as on new coal plants."

Let's not overlook the fact that the Chinese are also chasing every opportunity for oil, anywhere in the world they can find it. Otherwise, they wouldn't be negotiating a lease with Cuba to drill offshore not so far from Florida. We've fallen behind in our battle for home-grown energy. Now's the time to start producing and/or developing from our own resources. We're going to use oil for some time to come, so let's go after it, at the same time an all-out effort to develop all alternative energy. You're right, while we now need to use our own oil,we shouldn't look too far into the future in depending on it. Political games must stop!

RE: Primus
You stated: "On this note, the Chinese are currently spending as much on research into renewables as on new coal plants."

Let's not overlook the fact that the Chinese are also chasing every opportunity for oil, anywhere in the world they can find it. Otherwise, they wouldn't be negotiating a lease with Cuba to drill offshore not so far from Florida. We've fallen behind in our battle for home-grown energy. Now's the time to start producing and/or developing from our own resources. We're going to use oil for some time to come, so let's go after it, at the same time an all-out effort to develop all alternative energy. You're right, while we now need to use our own oil,we shouldn't look too far into the future in depending on it. Political games must stop!

Lib-Mark
My understanding is that "tar sands" and "oil shale" are the same thing. Just like Democrat and Communist, same priciples, theories, and actions, different label.

bryce
Post a link to your source, please.

Thanks.

primus 54
and good morning to you

i am not so sure of your conclusion, i think the american people are listening (of all people) to t.boone pickens who says we can't drill our way out of this emergency.

although it is certain people would feel better if more drilling happens i believe they know that is not the ultimate answer.


yet, i still cannot get a straight answer to my questions.

we hear drill now but what will the result be?

i don't know enough on this subject to pontificate but i have not heard one solid answer on exactly how much oil will be found and how that will affect the price.




Primus, again regarding substance
On what empirical evidence is your opinion about new reaching the market based? My opinion is based on the admin's own best case scenario predictions.

Hmmm. Coincidenza? Part 2
Friday, May 16, 2008:
Fox News: President Bush Unable to Win Saudi Support on Gas Prices, Oil Production


Die Welt: 16. Juni 2008, 10:40
Saudi Arabia to increase oil production by 200,000 barrels a day

2008.07.01 Bush proposes to lift bans
2008.07.14 Bush lifts executive ban

New York Times: July 4, 2000
In a move to bring down stubbornly high oil prices, Saudi Arabia, the world's largest exporter of crude oil, announced plans yesterday to increase production by 500,000 barrels a day.

Also interesting.

Primus
Those are not my projections, those are the gov't's, based on the best case scenario.

What scenario makes clear is that deepening our reliance on fossil fuels is a fool's errand. Whichever country leads the way in renewable technologies will be to the 21st century as the US was to the 20th.

On this note, the Chinese are currently spending as much on research into renewables as on new coal plants.

christianlib
Good Morning.

In this debate about drilling and gas prices - liberals do not get to argue both sides.

On the one hand, "Big Oil" (whatever THAT is) gets excoriated for "obscene profits" and being only for lining the pockets of already "rich oil men".

Yet - we are supposed to believe that this greedy industry is just sitting on profitable oil leases?

Rest assured, that if the exploration of these leases had yielded big reserves that made economic sense for drilling - they would be drilled. (Based upon the argument that "Big Oil" is greedy).

And as was discussed on a different thread - if Pelosi is so concerned about the "planet", why would she want the oil coming out of the countries that are big polluters? Doesn't it make more sense for the U.S. to control the process?

This entire debate (in depth - for "bryce's" approval) comes down to one thing.

"Leaders" such as Nancy Pelosi are more concerned about environmental lobby campaign cash than they are about their constituents.

Anybody who watched her on "This Week" - Dem or GOP - who couldn't see right through her arguments, doesn't want to see the truth.

Nancy is rolling the dice - and betting against the 60 - 75% of the electorate that wants to drill NOW.

She will lose - because when all is said and done - she's just not all that bright.

Hmmm. Coincidenza?
Typical prices in U.S., gas (per gallon), oil (per barrel) from May into August, 2008

2008.05.04 gas $3.60/gal
2008.05.20 gas $3.78/gal
2008.06.02 gas $3.96/gal
2008.06.15 gas $4.03/gal
2008.07.01 Bush proposes to lift bans
2008.07.01 gas $4.08/gal
2008.07.03 oil $145.29/barrel
2008.07.04 gas $4.10/gal
2008.07.10 gas $4.09/gal
2008.07.14 Bush lifts executive ban
2008.07.16 gas $4.11/gal
2008.07.23 124.52/barrel
2008.07.23 gas $4.02/gal
2008.07.28 123.26/barrel
2008.08.01 gas $3.89/gal
2008.08.05 119.37/barrel

It's certainly not conclusive, by a long shot, but you have to admit that it's interesting.

Understand Pelosi
Her motivations are about POWER and nothing else! Heaven forbid that the Libs ever change their legistlative skullduggery, they pulled similar tactics with conservative judge nominations in the senate..my, why would we EVER want a VOTE on the floor...accountability maybe? These socialists won't be happy until we are all "happy peasants in fields" singing the praises of the wealth redistribution forced on us by the "party bosses". Keep your ammo dry.

UncleB
Don't be so sore for agreeing with me (or I you).

Yes drilling should be started. Getting the powers that be to get past their political strategies and move into action is the tough part.

The Democrats are backed into a corner with nowhere to go. Mark is right, their best move is to give in, drill and be done with it. Probably the best political move they could make especially if they can take credit for it.

bryce "opines"
"Lack of depth in debate??
-----

This is just what I meant in my earlier post to "killer" - liberals always trying to complicate that which is simple.

Even if I believed for a moment that drilling now would only effect pricing 10 years hence - and would only reduce pricing by 1% - what will be the result to pricing if we DON'T drill?

Does "bryce" believe that in 10 years, if nothing is done to open the U.S. spigots, the price of gasoline will be "only" $4.00/gallon?

Whoever said that a requirement for entering the room of liberalism is to check "common sense" at the door - was a genius.


Bryce
Yep, that is exactly what clinton said when he said no drilling. IF he had said do it, we would NOW HAVE the needed oil. YOu libs are just so stubborn you will cut off all our noses to spite your face.

BTW, killer
Thanks for the reasoned, common sense response in your 11:09 reply.

Please keep posting.

ok lets talk facts
there are 70 million acres leased to oil companies they are not drilling on.
and don't talk to me about permits because i checked and there is no problem with permits.

but lets assume we drill everywhere we can.

i want to know

how many millions of barrels a day will be produced?

how long will it take to get this oil refined and in production?

how much will the price of gas drop?
$1.00 a gallon, $2.00 a gallon?

i hear lots of rhetoric but no facts.

can anyone enlighten me here.


killer writes:
"Something is going to happen in mid-September that answer all your economic concerns."
-----

What's that, killer?

You mean late August? The 25th to 28th?

Are your super delegates at the Dem Convention going to wise up and realize they have no prayer of capturing the White House with the "Messiah"?

Maybe make Hillary the nominee after all?

Lack of depth in debate
I keep reading these assertions that we need to increase to ease the energy crisis, yet only Sam T's posts offer any quantative analysis of exactly what the impact would be and when.

On that note, I will repeat that according to the most optomistic projections of the admin, if all sources were exploited it would take 5 years for the new oil to hit the market, and 10 years later peak production would result in a savings of just over 1% in today's dollars.

This is all smoke and mirrors.

Primus54
Something is going to happen in mid-September that answer all your economic concerns.I will be laughing.I don't think you will be!!!

Somewhat Moderately Moderate Mark
Time to pass the buck to the states.
--------------
Hello Mark.

The powers that be are going to toss this thing around like a hot potato until after November. I predict that after the election, oil will soften somewhat and neither side will do anything at all. Just another hot button issue. Something to divide the masses.


break the enviro grip
it is time to do away with the endangered species act which is nothing more than an extortion device to stop progress.

it is time to open up the BLM areas for oil/gas exploration and production. it is time to open the markets for all forms of energy, oil, gas, coal, nuclear, wind and solar. may the best technology win.

oh, if you haven't figured out what determines the winner; the market determines the winner. no government handouts - let American ingenuity solve the problem that government has created.

anyone that thinks that increasing the supply does nothing for prices doesn't know basic economics.

Great Article Thank you
And thanks to Mike O. Reply 56 for your comment. Well said.

Drill here Drill Now....but most important...Pray for America. Pray that eyes are opened and truth is revealed and that America will stand with God.

Why are we debating oil shale
recovery as if it was the same as some of these pie in the sky technologies from the Lames? Canada has been processing oil from this source for years.

Primus54
LOL, it would seem that even the average news media idiot could figure that out. Using Pelosi logic if we shut down every oil well in the U.S. the price of oil would come down.

moonbeam-whatever
If you wanna start with whoshoudda done what...Clinton shoudda signed the bill to allow drilling when he was presented with the bill. As much as it galls me I think we agree that drilling should start/occur because of the need.

killer
Typical liberal response...

Once again, you (like most leftists) demonstrate that "smarts" is not the same as "wisdom".

Liberals are always trying to complicate that which is simple.

If drilling WON'T lower prices - what is the opposite?

It is like the disingenuous ploy by Nancy Pelosi regarding opening up the strategic oil reserve.

Where does she think the oil in the reserve came from? Manna from Heaven?

Do you REALLY think it is a coincidence that oil futures began dropping within days of Bush rescinding the executive ban on domestic drilling?

Silly me - of COURSE you do.

(BTW - "smart" people know how to locate that really big button at the bottom of their keyboards, aka, the "SPACE BAR". You DO get credit, however, for finding the "shift" key for capitalization - proving you can be taught.)

Congressional BAN & oil shale extraction
Sorry ModMark, correction, it was $25 not $65 per barrel...

QUOTE: http://www.americansolutions.com/General/?Page=1c1a10c1-15 fd-4ad8-a426-b9a87f635903


The most startling Congressional prohibition on oil production concerns the ban on the development of oil shale in the Green River Formation. According to a Rand Study, this reserve contains over 1+ trillion barrels of oil, with 800 billion barrels recoverable, or 3 times the current oil reserves as Saudi Arabia.

The largest known oil shale deposits in the world.Estimates of the oil resource in place within the Green River Formation of Colorado, Utah, & Wyoming, range from 1.5 to 1.8 trillion barrels. For potentially recoverable oil, we roughly derive an upper bound of 1.1 trillion & a lower bound of about 500 billion barrels oil. For policy planning, it is enough to know any amount in this range is very high. U.S. demand for petroleum products is about 20 million barrels per day. If oil shale could be used to meet 1/4 of demand, 800 billion barrels of oil
would last for 400 years.

The same RAND study indicated that technology exists today that would allow oil extraction process that would be cost effective once the price of a barrel of oil was $95. The price of a barrel of oil today is around $130.

However, Shell has been investing in technology that would make extraction cheaper.

Shell Oil Company has successfully conducted small-field tests of an insitu process based on slow underground heating. Larger scale operations are required to establish viability, with regard to adverse impacts on groundwater quality. Shell anticipates the petroleum products produced by thermally conductive in-situ method will be competitive at oil prices in the mid-$20s per barrel.

In short, if the Congress removed its ban, America could develop a substantial amount of oil from domestic oil shale rather than relying on foreign governments.

end quote...

IRREFUTABLE PROOF Dems HATE USA
You want IRREFUTABLE, UNDENIABLE, and DEMONSTRABLE PROOF that Democrats are NOTHING but a pack of fascist, America-hating pigs? Simply look at their "arguments" in favor of $10 a gallon gas.

Democrats CLAIM that if drilling was opened up in ANWR, off shore, and other areas, it would "take years" for that to make any difference (please note that this is an outright lie, as those who actually do the drilling have stated it would take less than a year to become fully operational). Here's the little problem, though: Their "alternative" is to spend TRILLIONS of dollars on mythical, unproven technologies that won't even make it into the EXPERIMENTAL stage for anther **30** years, if EVER!

The FACT -- NOT OPINION -- of the matter is that Democrats WANT higher energy prices. Higher energy prices mean higher prices for everything. Higher prices means more and more people will be unable to support themselves, thereby FORCING them to become dependents of the government, right where the America-hating fascist pigs in the Democratic Party can control their every move. THAT, boys and girls, is Pelosi's, Reid's, Kennedy's, Obama's, and all the rest of the Democrats' intentions. Fascism, plain and simple.

Primus54
It is obvious to me, that you need my attention.I am not real busy today,so I will help.A person threatens you with increased production,while you have control of the market.What option would you employ?Personally, I would choose the option; that yields the greatest return now, so that I could increase my proceeds and then invest them during the time of the product increase.In other words "Genius", I would reduce production in an effort to keep prices high.If I were "Dead" and "Buried" in my "Grave",I would still be smarter than you!!!Try spelling economics,that's your "Peter Principle".

LibMark
Is it your goal in life to show up at Townhall and demonstrate your lack of wisdom - each and every day?

As Sam T. has so ably demonstrated - you cannot seem to keep up with the news regarding current oil shale extraction technology.

This is just one example of what we get from you most of the time.

You should really start checking the "expiration dates" on the liberal talking point websites upon which you rely.

UncleB
The ban should never have been there to begin with. Bush had plenty of time to lift the ban on drilling before now and when GOP controlled congress, they could have actually started a few years ago and thus we would be only a couple of years out from seeing products hit the market instead of 10.

Bush and Company have timed this for the election for political gain. This is where Kudlow's flawed comparison to the CWA comes in. The CWA was not about getting elected. It was about principals to stand upon. This move by Bush is all about getting McCain elected to POTUS and more GOP elected to congress. It is a bold move for sure and I am surprised the media hasn't played this against Bush and McCain yet. Their hands are tied though as bringing it up could cause a further backlash against the democratic congress, so they choose to stay out of it. It just may be looked back upon by a genius move by the GOP although it is flawed in principal.

Pelosi does plenty of digging her own grave as well and I don't fault the GOP for taking advantage of her idiocy.

To deny this is pure politics though is just simply ignorance.

Cheerios with Sugar and Milk!

Mod Mark, nice try..

Not exactly there Mark...

The oil companies (yes like Shell & Exxon/Mobile), have already developed recent technology that will allow us to extract the oil in the Green Rive in situ or in place without using cumbersome conventional mining techniques...

It has been estimated by those in the industry that as long as oil is above the 65+ dollar per barrel range, a point just recently reached in the past 2 years, that we will be able to go after this oil NOW in an economically viable way to all concerned...

Bellow that price, the oil shale becomes un-economical viable to extract...

The problem is that as I have said, Congress along with local state & tribal authorities continues to uphold drilling bans on over 80+% Green River Shale...

If these bans are NOT lifted then it is not prudent are economically viable in the long term for Domestic oil companies to continue pursuing this...

THAT is why we need to lift the bans NOW...

rdk
It's a little late for Bush to be pounding the pulpit now. He should have been doing that back in 2004 when drilling in ANWR and off the coast was being blocked by a coalition of the Commiecrats and the RINOs like McLame.

Kevin

What the Republicrats should be doing is figuring out a way to oust Mclame at the convention. 70% of the primary voters voted against him. We need someone in there who voted for drilling in 2005 and voted FOR tax cuts.

In other words we need a real conservative. If we had that, this would be a blowout race because the Lames have once again fielded the stupidist communist they could drag out from underneath a rock.

stedes
Your opinions expressed in your 8:26 post demonstrate that you are intelligent and articulate.

However, five words in just one sentence in your comments demonstrates that "intelligence" is not the same as "wisdom":

"Drilling will not lower prices..."

Wow.

Time for a special session of Congress!
The pressure must be increased. Of course, it would be nice if Bush stayed in the fight as opposed to vacationing. He should be pounding the bully pulpit. The term is "bully" pulpit and not pleading and whimpering pulpit.

killer
Every time I believe I've read a comment by you that couldn't be more idiotic than the last - you manage to out-do yourself - as your 9:26 post demonstrates.

If you believe the threat of "re-regulating" speculators is what has brought down futures prices - then you probably also believe the threat to "sue" OPEC was an effective policy.

I hope to God that if I ever have to defend myself in a law suit, you are my opposition's lawyer!

What the Republicans should be doing
While the Democrats vacation, the Republicans need to get together and hammer out a comprehensive energy plan, then present it to the voters in the same way Newt Gingrich and Co. did with the Contract with America. Oh, and then they need to FOLLOW THROUGH.

Nancy: The planet is doing just fine. Save America!

Why?
If the Republiwhigs are so in favor of drilling, why haven't they mentioned that we were fighting for drilling domestically & in Alaska in the 90's? We were fought tooth & nail by the leftists, but has little support from the RWhigs.

If the Republiwhigs are so in favor of drilling, why didn't the President go on TV Friday night to shame Pelosi & the leftists?

If the Republiwhigs are so in favor of drilling, why did they nominate someone who has for so long opposed it.

2 choices in Nov.
1) Vote for Barr
2) Vote for the Republiwhigs & ensure that conservatives are never listened to again on a national level.

Now You Know
How tough it is for those of us living in the west having to deal with enviros, we've had to do it for years. They are intent on taking away our right to breathe without their permission.
Mice are protected to the point of folks not being able to let their cat outside if they dare have one, wolves were introduced to clear their "public lands" of sheep and cattle. The timber industry in the US has been destroyed, instead it is fed to the beetles and then burns. Right now environmental groups have over 150 lawsuits pending in courts where they get nearly 100% of what they ask for. Some of their judges never rule against them. That is how they have shut down drilling, building refineries or anything else.
The Dems are now on the horns of a dilemna, they do not dare vote against their environmental supporters or they fear they will be destroyed politically. Look what the enviros did to Richard Pombo because he wanted reform of the endangered species act.

Amazing how economics works...
I really hope the Democrats keep up this approach. We make take some house seats back. It just proves your average Democrat is a Republican who wants to help people out just a little more than is prudent. Then when life throws them a curve ball they come back to the way the world really works. Ideals like "Saving the planet" take second place to greater ideals like "Provinding for my family". I also would love to have everyone stop talking about the job President Bush has done. With less than 6 months to go lets get one thing straight. He was elected. Twice. Get over it so we can talk about things of substance and not past events.

Larry
Your readers have to be some of the "Dumbest" people known to humanity.The threat of "Drilling" for more "Oil" in any business environment, would cause those already involved to reduce production.But,this has not been the case.The threat by Congress, to re-regulate "Speculators" is more closely to the truth.If you would like to be of service, to those whom you serve, have your staff run the numbers.We both know that "Truth" and American politics are strange bedfellows.But,to be decent and honest once will not kill you!!!Try it, you might like "It"...

DOE: U.S. richest deposits of oil shale
Excerpt Quote:
http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/npr/publica tions/npr_strategic_significancev1.pdf

Strategic Significance of America’s Oil Shale Resource
Volume I Assessment of Strategic Issues
March 2004 Final Report

Prepared for:
Office of Deputy Assistant Secretary for Petroleum Reserves
Office of Naval Petroleum & Oil Shale Reserves
U.S. Department of Energy, Washington, D.C.

Because of its magnitude & richness, oil shale in past years elicited more than a billion dollars in investment. Investment attractiveness is a necessary for future development.

The unconventional resources of the U.S. oil shale & Canadian tar sands are larger than total world resources of conventional petroleum.

Oil produced from tar sands & oil shale will become increasingly attractive to supplement conventional crude supplies.
With a resource base of more than 1 trillion barrels, the United States has the richest deposits of oil shale in the world.

When developed, shale oil resources will be similar to Alberta tar sand. Between the two Countries, the United States & Canada will be able to claim the largest oil reserves in the world, & these reserves will support secure liquid fuels production for decades to come.

end excerpt quote.

Currently 80+ % of the Green River Shale, being under federal, state & tribal lands in Colorado, Wyoming & Utah, biggest by far oil-shale fields, are BLOCKED by Congress & the federal government from exploration/drilling.

100% of 19 million acres of ANWR are restricted, while the oil companies only ask for surface access to 2500-4500 acres which is 0.02%, leaving 99.98% UNTOUCHED, but we can not drill there either.

3/4 of offshore blocks are currently off-limits to oil & gas exploration.

IT'S TIME WE GOT SERIOUS ABOUT OUR ENERGY INDEPENDENCE,ECONOMY & NATIONAL SECURITY.

TIME TO DRILL.

Sam T. Mullins
25+ years as an exploration petroleum geologist.

westernidiotbeam
Yea, thats right blame bush for everything including that boil on your butt that has you so aggravated. For the sake of arguement, say Bush did play it that way. PUKElosi and her pus..er uh possee have playe it JUST AS IGNORANT. PUUUHHLLLEEEZEEEE pukelosi is trying to save the planet?????? She should be executed on the senate floor and her blood stain should remain as a reminder to other fools.

Keep it up, it's WORKING
GrassTopsUSA has blast faxes that you can send -- mass faxes to ALL Congressmen/congresswomen in the House -- especially Nancy Pelosi's office. Get involved. The faxes call for Pelosi to get her commie butt back to Washington and allow a vote on drilling.

IF YOU CARE ABOUT THIS ISSUE, DO IT! THIS IS EXACTLY HOW WE STOPPED THE SCAMNESTY BILLS OF 2007. WE CAN DO IT AGAIN! WE FINALLY HAVE SOME REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE THAT ARE STILL IN WASHINGTON, DOING A 'SPEAK-IN' ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE. LET'S SUPPORT THEM BY BOMBARDING DEMOCRATS' OFFICES WITH FAXES!!

Mom in Wisconsin

Drilling=state's revnue $ & JOBS...
The state of Alabama receives $500 million dollars each year in leases,& royalties revenues from petroleum exploration/production activities annually...

With many states seeing tighter budgets, drilling could be a big part of the answer to helping them out with budgetary short falls...

(info from above can be found @ the Alabama State Oil & Gas Board web site & publications...)

http://www.ogb.state.al.us/gsa/petro_sys.html

Also some over 250,000 high paying domestic AMERICAN domestic exploration & support jobs were created in the drilling boom of the late 1970s while some 374,000 high paying AMERICAN JOBS were lost in the drilling bust of the early 1980s...

A new AMERICAN domestic drilling program will not only make America more energy independent & energy secure, but would creat 200,000-400,00+ high paying AMERICAN JOBS in the domestic petroleum exploration/production industry and its support industries as well, like new steel for pipe & pipe lines & rigs, & production facilities, just to mention a few...

Drill, drill, drill is working
I am retired and on a fixed pension. The democrats refusal to allow drilling and their other dishonest ideas are causing inflation to rise. This high inflation cuts my pension every year. These cuts add up over the years. I and all other people on fixed pensions are hurt by the democrats.

Chess Match.
It's GOP strategy. Bush has been in office for almost 8 years and he only now lifts the ban on drilling knowing Pelosi will shoot it down and the backlash ensues against an already poor polling congress. They are timing this so that it can have the best effect come November. Time will tell whether or not their little chess move pays off for McCain and Congress both.


Fact is
we are in this high energy cost mess because of Democrats and the grip the environmentalists have on the donkey party.
If Clinton had signed the 1995 ANWR drilling bill passed by a Republican Congress - things might be different today.
Dems have deligently ignored the needs of our country and not allowed coastal drilling, nuclear power plants, oil refineries, and have instead worked to have us use corn for fuel which has created a world wide shortage of food.
Now this mess exists and Madam Speaker - takes a vacation - a 5 week vacation. When did that gavel become her personal property?? It belongs to "We the People" and polls show - the people want action!!! Has there ever been a more stupid remark than Pelosi saying - "I want to save the planet" - she should not even be able to save her seat. How can anyone vote for a Democrat - they have created a big problem and now walk away.

Why The Voters Support Drilling...
Because it is the only energy plan being presented to them.

People are frustrated with high oil prices. They want the government to do something. So the Democrates offer nothing and the Republicans offer drilling. So which do they support? Something is better than nothing.

Drilling will not lower prices and it is not an energy policy. There is no leadership from either party and the consumer is going to get screwed again. But the oil companies get what they want. They are protected against conservation and alternate sources.

Neither party is talking about what the country really needs, a comprehensive energy policy. Instead, this energy crises at the pump is being used as a catalyst for drilling, which the oil companies want. But no one will guarentee prices will come down or that domestically drilled oil will stay in the US and not sold on the world market for a better price(John McCain voted against a bill to keep domestically drilled oil in the US).

No one asks the tough questions, when will drilling start? When will oil start flowing? When will prices come down? How much will it come down? What impact will lower gas prices have on demand? Will demand go up? If so, what will that do to prices?

Everyone is so confident it will help us. It is all a political illusion to help oil companies, not consumers. We should be demanding better from our leaders and ourseleves as citizens.


My two cents
In our National interest we must drill now. If that lowers the price of oil, great. However, no matter the price of oil, we also need to look towards other energy sources. The world isn't static, and the worlds demand for energy is on a steady climb to the stratosphere. In ten years, China's energy usage will equal today's total world oil production. Ever higher oil prices will result if we rely solely on oil as our energy source. We must end our moratorium on nuclear, and coal to oil. We must encourage private development of every conceivable alternative to oil. A free market will weed out the failures and reward the winners. We must not allow politicians to stifle or control this process or absolute disaster awaits. (Think Ethanol) Sadly and erroneously, Nancy Pelosi and her comrades think they know best and continue to control. In November, Americans will remember who stood in the way of free enterprise and cost them so dearly.

On Barack Obama's Statements...
about freeing ourselves from Middle Eastern and Venezuelan oil within 10 years - that sounds like a good idea!

It is much more likely to happen if we unfetter our oil companies and other energy-related industries. Let the free-market system do its thing. It won't all happen at once, but once started with a lifting of prohibitions, it will pick up momentum.

Our modern technologies have made drilling much more efficient and less-damaging than it used to be. Oil companies do not like spills and blowouts and they take steps to prevent them from happening. Without a little risk, we don't get any forward progress.

We need to think of this as "the surge" towards more energy independence. As progress is made, we may decide that 100% energy independence may not be necessary, but as we move towards that goal, unfriendly foreign nations will have less and less of an opportunity to "yank our chains" when they cut their oil production. We just need to take the attitude that "we will take care of it ourselves".

And it begins with "drill here, drill now".

"Damn the torpedoes, go ahead!"

can someone answer this
Why is it that we are not allowed to drill off our coasts, but China and other countries are allowed to.

Are the heads of congress taking bribe money from these countries??????

We are told that for environmental reasons we cannot drill, but the worst polluters in the world can drill. When are we ignorant, gullable Americans going to wake up and reason this out. (Sorry, I forgot. Our school system does not teach reason anymore. Let's keep everybody stupid, so the really slow kids won't feel bad about themselves.)

Vito;
Speaking as a geologist, long before I was a Conservative, President Bush submitted an energy bill to Congress in June 2001 that included proposals to lift various drilling bans. I believe it passed the House, but with the narrow margin in the Senate and the RINOs, it failed to pass there.

Of course the President could have used his bully pulpit more, but most of the obstructions to a coherent energy policy have been placed there by Democrats at the behest of the Eco-Luddites. And those dedicated to making the President look bad, even at the expense of the nation.

The Republican Congress and Senate put an ANWR drilling bill on President Clinton's desk in 1995, but he vetoed it.

I am all for a diverse energy supply, but that is also going to take years to bring to fruition. During that time, we should let American oil companies and their thousands of workers (and those in related industries) do what they do best, while we work on the other stuff.

This "it'll take 10 years" attitude will not help our children as they mature and enter the work force.

We will transition out of the petroleum age when the time is right. It simply won't happen overnight, no matter how much taxpayer money is thrown at the problem.

Let's stop tying one or both of our hands behind our backs when it comes to energy solutions. By sending a message to the world oil markets that we are finally willing to address our own energy needs (which includes building some new refineries), futures prices will likely drop more, as they have already with the growing public pressure to drill here, drill now!

Yawn....
Sorry, up late last night pouring over the constitution. Perhaps it is my lack of constitutional scholarship but I was unable to find anything in the enumerated powers making "saving the planet" a function of government.

However, I was able to find some information on expelling the Speaker.

Vito
Dear sir idiot:
The efforts to make ourselves energy independent was blocked by the H Obama droolers.

The dirty little secret.
There are dozens of Democrats in both houses who can read the tea leaves and are getting ready to bolt to the Drill Now! side of the aisle and Stretch Pelosi KNOWS IT! She's so wet pants scared she shut down Special Orders but the outcry forced the lights and cameras back on eventually.

In case anyone forgot this was how Newt and the Boys helped set up the Contract with America!! I began in Special Orders.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Democrats: Brown Shirts of the 21st C
Pelosi tries the ad hominem attacks calling the Republicans "handmaidens of the oil companies."

To the Democrats, the leftist ideologues, and the pantheistic environmental wackos we are in the state we are in.

It is unthinkable to them that man having been conferred dominion of the earth by God can exercise good stewardship in drilling, mining, foresting, and be environmentally responsible.

Their ideology has blinded them into a false either/or scenario when we can drill and be responsible.


Pelosi is a Pinhead!
The only way to stop sending our $$$ to the Arabs is to drill here, drill NOW and become energy independent. Even talk of drilling here is lowering prices. For that trend to continue though we must ACT. Should the democrats keep their insane march towards their Marxists dreams then the GOP will sweep them in Nov. Even my erstwhile democrat friends are frustrated. They laughed at Bushs low poll numbers...well, he's laughing now! This is the worst clowinsh kangaroo congress ever. ANY (dems or reps) of them who don't support FULL energy independence should be OUT. We must take our country back before we don't have one left.

If the Republicrats and McLame are
doing better now because of the oil drilling mess, just think how much better they would be doing if they had a candidate who had not been in bed with the Lames on this issue from the beginning.

The Lames are betting that the price of oil will be down by Novemeber and that everyone will "forget" about their role in high gas prices. They are still depending on that MSM to help them with that.

still need a strategy
I hope we open up domestic oil production.

I also hope we do it smartly. When global oil prices are low, we need to pinch hold back domestic production. When prices are low, we need to use other country's oil and save ours for a 'rainy day'.

As I said before, we should funnel the oil lease money into investments in alternative energy. We absolutly must diversify our energy portfolio... and move to more domestic sources.

Over the coming 10 years we need to implement a strategy... not just drill and use our own oil. If we are not careful, we will be in the same difficult situation 20 years from now... and have fewer options at hand to deal with the problems because much of our oil will have been used.

Today I called Pelosi's office
And left a message with her bumbling interview from Sunday playing in the b/g...such a tool like Peloser will help get the house back along with the POTUS in Nov...whadda gift she is to the Right!

Nazi Pelozsi + BO+Reid = Mercantilism
Mercantilism in American History is a term that refers to the set of stifling economic rules imposed on the 13 colonies by the British Government BEFORE the Revolution.

The mercantilist policy was designed to squeeze every penny of revenue to enrich the crown and expand the British Empire. ie,the Townsend Act and Stamp Act, And (gasp) tea tax.

Today mercantilism is being used by congress. Nazi-Pelosi,Reid and Obamanation (flip/flop)
By Keeping our gas/food/heating prices high we as consumers have to pay more taxes. Or, we buy hybrid cars/new heating systems and have to pay sales tax, registration taxes and luxury taxes (some states).(small sampling but you get the idea)

The Colonial Americans mercantilism had many negative everyday consequences including higher prices for consumer goods. ie, the price of tea was artificially inflated due to taxes that protected British controlled suppliers.

Well, doesn't history repeat itself..CONGRESS restricts drilling (by walking out)=King Pelosi and crew.

The President lifts the ban and prices start to drop.(speculators beware)

Time for a REVOLUTION!
If this current situation continues there will be burning effigies of Nazi Pelosi on the streets of America just like there was of King George III.



Pelosi &
Reid along with Al Gore & his greeners are America's version of Al Qaeda.

Do you want a cheaper loaf of bread?...
...Then flood the market with wheat.Do you want a cheaper gallon of gas?Then flood the market with oil.You don't need an MBA from Harvard to understand that simple principle.

Our problem is that we are not dealing with simple economics,we are dealing with complicated politics.And politics is a LOT more complicated than economics.

The real meat of the question then is..
Why are they (pelosi, reid, et al) opposing it? What is their agenda? And why is the MSM not reporting the truth? On another note, why not report the rise of unemployment with the beginning of the minimum wage increase?

Peloski has proven
that she is insane!Insane with power, living in some fantasy world within her own mind. Perhaps this sickness is only exceeded by that of Obama.

The American Patriots are beginning to see the the Liberal/Socialists for what they are. It's all about THEM and their pursuit of that Marxist Utopia.

Liberals will completely deny all truths as bryce proves with his post. Top oil men have said over and over that what the democrats say is a complete lie! They the, oil men, have stated that oil would begin flowing within six months to a year, tops! And that the prices will drop with the announcement of our intent to drill.

GOP passing out the koolaid
According to the most optomistic projections by the admin, drilling in all US territories would not produce any new oil for 5 years, would then peak 10 years later, at which point oil prices would drop $1.44 per gallon at today's prices.

That's a savings of just over %1. China's economy alone is growing at 8-10% and is projected to continue at that pace for probably another decade. This increased demand will surely outstrip any meager gains from increased US output.

The message that expanded drilling will have any substantive effect on global markets is a ruse.

ANWR would be very efficient
We already have a pipeline that is over 500 miles long pumping oil from Prudhoe bay. The location in ANWR where oil companies want to drill is only 79 miles away from the existing pipeline. It would sure be nice to use existing infrastructure.

In fact it would be a real pity if we did not use it as Prudhoe is only producing 400K bbl a day down from its peak of 2M barrels.

Drill ANWR
We Alaskans know that the Alaska Highway was built in 9 months under the threat of Japanese invasion.

When reality finally gets through to those Democrats in Congress who have blocked development of American resources, we will see there are people who can build, and drill and develop the capacity to bring our oil to market in short order if necessary.

More than 30 years ago the environmental extremists attempted to block the Trans-Alaska Pipeline more and failed--or we would be even more dependent on foreign fossil fuels today.

John McCain must recognize the National Interest in Drilling ANWR and take a leadership role now.

Pelosi the Tool
“What you saw in the Congress this week was the war dance of the handmaidens of the oil companies"

And what we saw on Sunday TV from Pelosi? A tap dance of the handmaiden of MoveOn.Org.

3 stooges
In the movies were pretending to be stooges
but obama,reid,pelosi are REALLY STOOGES!
All this prediction of a demo sweep in congress is going to look foolish in Nov.!
Maybe..Mc cain will pull it off!? After all,
Hillary is voting for Mc cain!smile
elvis

Pelosi
I bet that Pelosi is reelected by California. Why anyone would vote for her is a mystery that will never be solved. If we drill for oil it will have the following benefits:
1) Lower the price of gas
2) Employ more people in the energy industry
3) Create more tax revenue for the government

So, why should the politicians, namely Democrats, be against drilling for oil? To try and blame Bush. They are not really worried about the poor or the little guy. Just their power.

I hope the Dems keep it up
Nancy and Harry's arguments are so lame and so illogical - that they might give Republicans a chance next November.

To say that we shouldn't drill because we won't get the oil in 10 years indicates how smart they think the American public is (meaning not too smart.) I guess in the year 2098, they'll be making the same excuse. If they got anwr going 10 years ago, we obviously wouldn't be in this spot today.

FedUpNetwork says the same thing!
What an excellent article, and is something we have been saying on our website for a couple of weeks now. This is what we wrote earlier today at FedUpNetwork.com.
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The news agencies have been unable to keep quiet the fact that Nancy Pelosi closed down the chambers as Congress went on summer recess, though many Republicans stayed behind to debate the current energy crisis. Apparently Nancy doesn’t care about us. She’s rather save the planet… or so she says.

Here’s the truth for anyone willing to listen. Our economy runs on oil. Venezuela knows it. China knows it and Russia knows it. The only people who don’t seem to know it are some Democrats and a few Republicans, sad to say. So we have all these cars that need oil. Even the hybrids use oil and gasoline. Nancy Pelosi thinks that if we don’t drill for our own oil it will save the planet… How exactly?

If we don’t get it here where it will create jobs and strengthen our economy, then we have to get it from another country. Drill here or drill there, the effect on the environment is the same. The only thing that would change is the price of gas! So regardless of what she says, there is something else going on and Democrats better find out what it is. If they don’t find something sinister in her past that will allow them to oust her before the election, her leadership will lose them the election in the fall. Mark my words. People are getting fed up because this issue is easy to understand and now they know who is standing in the way of lower gas prices.

This is not a Democrat versus Republican issue. We’ve said it all along. Pelosi stubbornly sticks to the losing side of this debate, and it’s time that Democrats throw her overboard. We know there are good representatives out there who support drilling, they just are not being heard because of her heavy handed leadership. They had better wake up before it’s too late.

Message to Pelosi-
It's the ECONOMICS, stupid.
More supply = lower prices.

She and her cronies can't limit domestic production AND blame Bush for high gas price misery. Can she?
How long can you fool all of the people?
NOT all of the time.

Even that wind bent reed Obama is starting to stand firmly for maybe possibly thinking about opening offshore drilling in some places someday.
For Barack to risk putting off his anti-growth base, his handlers must be aware and afraid of the backlash from the pro-growth, pro-security Americans.
Let's drive the point home.

Drill Now or Be Thrown Out in November
It's been 22 days since President Bush lifted the ban on drilling on the Outer Continental Shelf, ANWR, and other locations. What have the Democrats in the House and Senate done to give the American people relief from skyrocketing energy Prices? They have established procedural blockades against an up or down vote on drilling. They have thrown up an iron curtain of dishonest rhetoric about the 98 million acres, obscene oil profits, price gouging, and speculation. And, as we all know, they have passed an adjournment motion so they could go on vacation.

So while the American people face escalating energy prices, the Democrats fiddle. While Americans face layoffs in the Auto industry, the Airline industry, the trucking industry and other energy intensive industries, the Democrats fiddle. While poor and working class Americans face energy costs that will break their budgets and disable their attempts to feed, clothe and shelter their families, the Democrats fiddle. How many more days must the American people wait until the Democrats come back off vacation and do the will of those who elected them. Are they the representatives of the American people or of the environmental lobby?

We want drilling and we want it now! Come back off of vacation and vote for drilling or we will change your addresses from Washington, D.C. back to your home states permanently in November.

http://eternaledge.blogtownhall.com/
http://www.obackaramablog.com/

Today I called Pelosi's office
and left her a voicemail message letting her know in no uncertain (but polite) terms that this notion that she is "trying to save the planet" is sheer lunacy. I reminded her why Congress is experiencing an all-time low approval rating - her total ineptness!

Believe me, I had to bite my lip to keep from using some "choice" words to her what I really think of her "leadership."

Pelosi and Reid have dug themselves into a mighty big hole. Now where did I leave my shovel...
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