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Friday, May 16, 2008
Larry Kudlow :: Townhall.com Columnist
Striking Out on Energy
by Larry Kudlow
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President George W. Bush and Sen. John McCain went to bat on energy policy this week. And guess what? They both struck out.

Mr. Bush went hat in hand to the Saudis to ask for more oil production in order to bring down world prices. He whiffed. They said no for the second time this year.

ExxonMobil chairman and CEO Rex Tillerson said it’s “astonishing” that Mr. Bush keeps asking Saudi Arabia to pump more oil, rather than working harder for increased oil production at home. Mr. Tillerson called this “terribly upside down,” and went on to say the president should be fighting to open U.S. coastal waters to drilling and production on the outer continental shelf. He correctly wants to end the federal moratorium on such off-shore drilling, where kajillions of barrels of oil and natural gas are being completely ignored.

Motorists are furious with oil at $125 a barrel and a $4 pump price for gas. And they seem to be taking it out on the GOP. That may not be fair, since Mr. Bush does favor a pro-production energy policy that includes off-shore drilling, building refineries, clean-coal development, oil sands, natural gas, and nuclear power. But Democrats in Congress stridently oppose these ideas, as does Hill-Bama on the campaign trail. They want an excess-profits tax. Brilliant.

Nonetheless, the longer the energy stalemate lasts, the angrier voters get. You can see it in consumer-confidence polls that are now hitting twenty-five year lows.

What’s to be done?

Sen. McCain weighed in with a cap-and-trade program that he alleges will solve our global climate and energy problem. It’s a bad idea. It’s really a cap-and-kill-the-economy plan, as well as an unlimited spend-and-tax-and-regulate plan. It’s a huge government command-and-control operation that would make any old Soviet Gosplan bureaucrat smile.

Ironically, the U.S. has virtually the cleanest air of any country in the world. And market forces over the past thirty years have increased all manner of energy efficiency per unit of GDP by more than 50 percent. In fact, according the editorial page of Investor’s Business Daily, U.S. carbon emissions grew by only 6.6 percent between 1997 and 2004, compared with 18 percent for the world and 21 percent for the nations that signed the Kyoto protocol on greenhouse gasses. (Think Europe.)

Then there’s a bunch of scientists who don’t think we have a global-warming problem at all. And many who do acknowledge the threat link it to solar warming, or increased solar activity, rather than carbon.

Cap-and-trade, in other words, may very well be unnecessary. Meanwhile, it will surely reduce economic growth in the years ahead.

The regulatory aspects are mind-boggling. All manner of U.S. businesses -- be they small pig farms, large power plants, or the millions of companies in between -- will be subjected to government rulemaking and standard-setting. EPA inspectors will literally have to visit five million American businesses in order to evaluate carbon emissions and figure out allowances for trading permits.

Think of it. Some sort of federal cap-and-trade department will send out 100,000 inspectors to comb through American corporations and calculate their carbon stories. This is total insanity. The Congressional Budget Office guesses it will cost at least $1 trillion. And a lot of that cost comes from the government’s willingness to give companies carbon allowances which then can be traded in some sort of after-market.

Later on, according to the McCain plan, the government will auction off these allowances, reaping a gigantic windfall. But so far there are no strictures on this revenue honey pot and the unprecedented federal spending it will fuel.

Some global warmers simply want to tax carbon. That at least would reduce the Gosplan effect. Responsible people like Harvard’s Greg Mankiw have even suggested taking the carbon-tax revenue and using it to cut income-tax rates. This is a much better idea -- that is, if you buy into global warming at all.

My friend Art Laffer tells me Al Gore wants a carbon tax, with the revenues being used to abolish the Social Security/Medicare payroll tax altogether. Laffer would prefer a big income-tax-rate reduction that would get us to a 13 percent flat tax. I agree. Either way, taxing carbon, when compared to cap-and-trade, is the lesser of two evils.

To be fair, Sen. McCain does favor nuclear power. But he is opposed to Tillerson’s idea of drilling offshore and President Bush’s idea of drilling in Alaska. That’s not good. And make no mistake about it, his cap-and trade plan will vastly increase the cost of doing business everywhere, including gas prices at the pump. And when you cap something like power, well before so-called alternative-energy technologies have been invented or commercialized, you put a cap on economic growth and prosperity.

That’s not going to make anybody happy.

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Dump McCain . . .
He's clearly trying to out-liberal Bush. The guy is a Dem in disguise. Vote either Libertarian or Obama, and let the Dems get credit for the coming economic debacles. Because it IS going to happen even if McCain is elected. And the press will pretend like McCain is conservative and that conservatism is to blame for the stagflation or worse.

Just say NO to McCain's economic and other idiocies.

some slights of hand
"market forces over the past thirty years have increased all manner of energy efficiency per unit of GDP by more than 50 percent."

You're familiar with the SUV phenomenon in the US? The free market improved energy efficientcy with respect to oil? Not even close. Thank goodness we now have leaders in congress who can see through this hype.

"U.S. carbon emissions grew by only 6.6 percent between 1997 and 2004, compared with 18 percent for the world and 21 percent for the nations that signed the Kyoto protocol on greenhouse gasses. (Think Europe.)"

The meaningful comparison is current per capita CO2 production rather than recent growth. At this Europe does much better.

Green business and research is booming in California. It appears that it will be what high tech was in the '70s - recession-proof.

This column is just a rehash of some flawed assumptions.

We need to
drill off both our coasts,
throughout the Gulf,
all over Alaska,
mine shale oil and exploit coal tar,
use coal gasification,
build refineries (none built since the 70s), build nuclear (again, not since 70s),
and experiment with wind and geo-thermal and maybe more hydro-power altho' our short time with bio-fuels has already wrecked global food prices, but we're stuck with fossil fuels for at least another century.
The people who are all gung-ho to force everyone else to remove his/her *carbon footprint* are all too often the biggest energy users and wasters in the world, a la Al Gore.
To conserve we need to walk more, drive less, fly never (not good for airlines), shop less (not good for economy), re-use and conserve more (even worse for economy), turn down thermostats in winter and avoid air conditioning in the summer, shut off the lights, and turn off the appliances.
When we do those things, we will not have boom times, we will be in permanent recession, and the whole world, esp. the poor, will suffer enormously.
When gas is $5 a gal. here, the poor guy in Kenya who needs a gal. to run his irrigation pump so that he can raise real food that actually keeps his family alive and sell a little extra for luxuries like a little clean water endures famine and starvation, not just a little deprivation, like having salad instead of steak.

renny...

Great points. Without drilling, Americans have no spare change to give.

Just think of the shortfalls to food bank donations. All because the Liberal-Democrats think we should control hunger by starving more people to death.

train wreck
This whole GW hoax/carbon tax is like an impending train wreck that seems impossible to stop. What's really terrifying is that I don't believe the average American even knows what's going on. I talked to a friend at work about it, and he was under the impression that the gov't was trying to control Carbon MONOXIDE (a poison gas). When I told him it was Carbon Dioxide, the source of all life, he just looked at me confused and glassy-eyed.

Now even Newt is out there preaching this garbage. What the hell is going on? I've lost complete hope in the Republican Party. Hundreds of climatologists went to D.C. a few months ago to claim that Man-made global warming is a farce, along with a signed petition from THOUSANDS of weather experts/scientists...yet they WERE COMPLETELY IGNORED! The only "experts" being listened to are Al Gore's university lab scientists.

For the first time in my life, I'm ready to storm Washington D.C. myself. We Americans HAVE to stop this insanity. NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT FOR US. Who's with me?

And then there is immigration
Every gain we make is negated by a million more immigrants a year.
As for the naive paen to our leaders for CAFE standards, grow up! Congress is full of lawyers woh couldn't invent or develop new technology on a bet. They have to carefulloy negotiate these to comply with the possible. Then they appoint a pretty blonde bimbo to superviser.

Carlos,
Exactly.

And all the people who are now denouncing commerical food production and want everyone to go vegan have no idea of how protein deprived most children of the world are and that there's an esitmate that NOW 2/3's of all children go to bed hungry. Wait till what little energy they have gets locked up in UN-administered *carbon* programs.

Not to mention that cattle and sheep and domestic animals have been genetically changed for thousands of years and are no more equipped to become feral again than my left foot.

Are we then going to kill off all those steers and lambs in order not to perpetuate the horror of eating them?

Kyoto and all the energy-enviro-greeno-crypto-whacko leftism are always poorly thought out and implemented social ideas, which is WHY the USSR is toast, Cuba is a wreck, Venezuela can't run its own oil industry, newly freed Eastern Europe is all flat tax, and China, once unable to feed itself, is booming since it gave people a plot of land for a little kitchen garden and solved its communist induced famines.

Energy drives the world and everyone needs and wants it and restricting it will cripple our standard of living (no more laptops0 and make the poor really destitute, and dead.

need to vote on drilling every week..
Why don’t the Republicans put drilling in Alaska and off shore drilling up for a vote every week.
Then post every one that votes against it (including RINO’s) every week in a paid adverstising in the NYT. LA Times, Boston Globe, and Fox..
As the price gets higher and higher every one should get more P/O then ever.
Ohhhhhhhhhh, that’s right that would take a set of balls to do that, and our chicken crap party does not have any..


enough is enough..
I'm with you James..

sorry for the dbl post
sorry for the dbl. post..

Just a fleeting thought..
I know that it goes against the nature of our great country but I would love to see some one stand up and say: Ok, keep your oil, we will keep our food, and see who wins..
Hard to eat oil, and sand..
I know, we are too great of a country to do it but that thought does inter my mind every once in a while.
A little blockade telling them, sell oil at a market price, and stop exporting terror and we let you eat..
I know, I know.. too hard core, goes against what we fight for, we are always the good guys.. I know.


Let's let the idiots starve in the dark
This whole mess stems from one binary condition: lousy reading and retention skills.

In the 80s, we were, by God, going to freeze to death in the new Ice Age. Now, the creeks are gonna rise, and we're gonna fry ourselves to death on the sidewalks.

Anyone who can read (and perhaps, with a lick of sense) knows the temps are dropping. If another volcano goes off, hell, we'll get even colder.

Can't anybody read and remember anything anymore?

I say we harvest the swollen herds of elk in ANWR to their average numbers, drill the heck out of the place and put the Arab world and OPEC on notice that while they have oil, they can't eat it.

We cut the crap on ethanol, grow elephant's eye high corn, full plant soy, and tell 'em if they want to eat, they'd better behave.

How typical of our spoiled and soiled politicians to kiss Middle Eastern toosh trying to get them to solve our energy problems.

The politicians have become so insulated from of the people that they cannot conceive the conservative revolt that looms.

Let's be Americans again. Independent. Innovative. And tough.

Exxon
"ExxonMobil chairman and CEO Rex Tillerson said it’s “astonishing” that Mr. Bush keeps asking Saudi Arabia to pump more oil, rather than working harder for increased oil production at home."

Really Mr. Tillerson?

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/WhyExx onWontProduceMore.aspx


"Why Exxon won't produce more oil"

"...Exxon management flashed a chart that showed the company's worldwide oil production staying flat through 2012."

"...In fact, it's the most profitable company in the history of capitalism, earning a record $40.6 billion last year on sales of $404 billion. Yet even with crude oil prices near all-time highs, Exxon isn't planning on producing any more oil four years from now than it did last year."

"That means the company's oil output won't even keep pace with its own projections of worldwide oil demand growth of 1.3% a year. "

"Instead, he said, his team examines the available investment opportunities, figures out what prices they'll likely get for that output down the road and places its bets accordingly. "It really goes back to what is an acceptable investment return for us," Tillerson said. In other words, producing more barrels just to ease prices for consumers is not part of the company's calculations."

"Last year, ExxonMobil led the industry with a return on capital of 32%."




exxon cont.
"Big oil companies can continually miss their targets or even TARGET NO GROWTH and still shine on Wall Street due to the peculiar nature of commodity businesses. Less supply of a commodity means higher prices. Higher oil prices mean more profits for the oil companies."




Of course we should drill here. But I find it highly ironic that Tillerson is chiding Bush when he is purposely holding back production knowing they will make just as much money because it will just drive up prices.


BTW Tillerson had the co pay him a 400 million bonus.










Larry the CFR man
Me thinks Larry is a little disengenuous.

If you read what his globalist pals want it's more shortages, suffering and the fear of more suffering.

McCain is endorsed by CFR and is their stooge. I believe he is doing exactly what they want. This global warming farce will break us and that is exactly what they want to do. It will be an economic disaster.

We already have gov mandated food shortages.

A collapsing dollar due to bad monetary policy by the FED and national debt.


There's a saying that when someone is really stupid they will by accident get it right sometimes. Are they backing off any of these insane policies?






We shall have world government whether or not you like it-by conquest or consent. Paul Warburg (CFR member, before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Feb 17,1950 Also founder of Federal Reserve. He became a director of the CFR at its founding in 1921, remaining on the board until 1932.)

Oil
"The purchase coincided with a visit to Caracas by the Chinese to discuss the construction of an oil refinery in China to process Venezuelan oil. The meeting was held within days of a cultural confab between Iran and China in Tehran. "


Chavez and the nutjob are already best friends. Iran and China are having tea parties now?


"As reported earlier in the week, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is in the midst of a swing through South Asia to finalize plans for a massive oil pipeline and, perhaps more importantly, nurture a few useful relationships in the region. The trip has apparently borne fruit as evidenced by a statement from India's Foreign Secretary Shivshankar Menonin in support of Iran's nuclear program."

Massive pipeline to India? The nutjob and Chavez are positioning themselves to be able to cut off oil to us or reduce what they sell us. Chavez is also making deals with Russia.




For those of us who have been tracking the relationship between Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and various leaders in Latin America for the better part of two years now, it was encouraging to read recent comments by Admiral James Stavridis, head of the U.S. Southern Command. Speaking at a conference on Latin America sponsored by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) , Adm. Stavridis had this to say:

"I fear greatly that the connectivity between narcoterrorism and Islamic radical terrorism could be disastrous in this region. What I worry about in this region with outside actors coming into it is the potential for those streams to cross, if you will, for the fuel of narcoterrorism to become engaged in Islamic radicalism here in the Americas, here in our home."








oil cont.
"This gentleman is Mahmud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran, a state that sponsors terrorism. He is a very dangerous man and he is in this area of the world," he said, adding that, "President Ahmadinejad says he wants to have an embassy in every country in this region." He already has ten.


"In a budding relationship that has alarmed the Bush Administration, Iran has promised to help finance a new $350 million ocean port and build 10,000 houses for the leftist Nicaraguan govern­ment. Ortega met recently with Iranian Deputy Energy Minister Hamid Chitchian to urge Iran to help build several hydroelectric plants in Nicaragua to help end the power crisis. Iran has committed to just one plant for now. Chitchian pledged to select a site for a $120 million hydroelectric project. Nicara­guans have to cope with blackouts nearly every day. According to some reports, Iran is construct­ing one of its largest embassies in the world in Man­agua--much larger than Nicaragua's size would dictate. Some observers suspect that Iran intends to use its big new embassy as a base for intelligence operations against the United States."


Rick Santorum has a newletter called "The Gathering Storm" monitoring events concerning Iran, Chavez, Russia, etc.

These excerpts are just the tip of the iceberg. This is at our backdoor...the door we have left open.

If we cut our consumption by just a small percent we would create significant problems for the nutjob and Chavez. They need a lot of money to keep all their programs going.



Am I to think our intelligence officers are less informed than I? They have to know and yet we are doing nothing. Bush took us into a war, there would be a greater outcry for getting our own oil out of the ground?

Instead we are self-destructing.


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February 12, 2008
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. On a perfect New Mexico winter day — with the sky almost 10 percent
brighter than usual — Sandia National Laboratories and Stirling Energy Systems (SES) set a new solar-to-grid system conversion efficiency record by achieving a 31.25 percent net(!) efficiency rate.
April 17, 2008
STIRLING ENERGY SYSTEMS ANNOUNCES $100 MILLION
INVESTMENT BY NTR PLC.
The well established, reliable Stirling Solar Dish technology has completed R&D and is ready for large scale utility development. Nearly 3 yrs ago the system already had tens of thousands of hours of successful power generation. Tests conducted by SCE and the Sandia National Laboratories have shown that the SES dish technology is almost twice as efficient as other solar technologies...
SES is currently developing two solar sites in California... - Solar One and Solar Two (4,500 total acres) will have a combined generating capacity of 1,750 MW. (That is about 2.5 times the capacity of an average nuclear power plant).
SES has long term, Power Purchase Agreements with two of California’s leading utilities, San Diego Gas & Electric (SDG&E) and Southern California Edison (SCE).
Stirling Dish Systems create no adverse environmental consequences.
The only fuel used is the sun... remarkably quiet, emitting less than 66 dB at full load. A Stirling solar plant will have no significant biological or cultural / paleontological / geological impacts. The system has a support post structure that is only about 18 inches in diameter, the result being comparable to the planting of a tree. The primary impact, after construction, is to provide shade.
Projected cost is 6 cents per KWH. (National average is almost 9 cents)
There ya go! Guess we can stop scoffing at solar now.
http://www.stirlingenergy.com/default.asp







Solar power?
Well libertyworld I feel better already.
Don’t forget you are doing this in an area where its really really sunny..
If you can make it work in say.. Portland then I will be impressed.
From what I read the nuclear power in France produces power for 2 cents PKWH.
I just a little more then tired of every one in Washington ignoring the obvious which is drill our own oil. How many oil spills happed in this last set of Hurricanes in the Gulf? We cant get our own oil yet all of the environmentalist yell no dependence on foreign oil.
I think that I will put some solar panels on my Toyota, maybe I can shape then to look like a airfoil on the back, like NASCAR.

Look, I really hope that we whip the whole energy problem, as long as it is not kept afloat via taxes, like ethanol and corn..


Solar Power.

You mentioned 4,500 acres for the solar power, that is about twice the amount that will be needed to drill in ANWR. Yet we cant use that much because..


Time for a referendum
We need to demand a national referendum on drilling in ANWR and off the coasts. The pols are not listening to us, they are being directed by the greenies who are a bunch of nuts.
This oil belongs to the people of the US, it is we the people who should be benefiting from it, instead we are held hostage by the arabs who just a few decades ago didn't have a clue about it except that it made camels sick.

The greenies are causing us all to suffer so they can feel good about a freakin owl or a caribou,if they had been ignored years ago we wouldn't be in this mess today.

Our electric power should be from nuclear plants and hydro so as to save the oil for cars and trucks and planes, we should have built light rail inter city lines. Every good idea gets shot down by these enviro-whackos who have nothing better to do....time to take this country back.

It's a Faustian deal and we know it!!!!!
The DNC is owned body and soul by Move-ON, by Soros, by the Sierra Club (which I used to belong to over 30 years ago before they became messianic), the Earth Island Institute, NRDC and other ultra-greens.

These hypocrites fly in to events with celebrities in tow on private jets or in private helicopters to tell US peons that WE have to cut back and live a turn of the century lifestyle while THEY keep their 30,000 square foot homes, private jets, fleets of cars, yachts and so on.

For almost 40 years I've had to listen to the bleating about American consumption of resources v. our population, but they NEVER point out that we still provide for 37% of the entire world's needs and that figure used to be much higher.

The pointy headed ivory tower-dwelling tenured professor dweebs who sit back and write policy papers (where all their warmed-over Marxist crackpot theories magically work) CAN NOT FUNCTION in the workplace. That is WHY they are professors and NOT corporate CEOs.

The worst part is that they have between them hundreds of thousands of gullible (or cowed) students at their mercy each year. To graduate the student must slurp up and regurgitate this pseudo-intellectual claptrap on demand. Eventually even some of the smart ones start to believe it.

The 2,500 acres of ANWR which were set aside at the outset for oil development represent a FRACTION of a percent of the total land area.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

SUVs
Without energy efficiency, SUVs would not have been possible

SUVs themselves became more fuel efficient and other efficiencies increased the supply of oil making it cheaper to use.

The free market does improve efficiency when real costs, not government costs (regulations and taxes) are used to promote efficiency.

What was the government mandate or tax that improved computer efficiency by orders of magnitude?

Car designs exist, alternate fuel vehicles exist now, but government regulations prohibit their use in the USA. Why?

There is no FREE market for vehicles in the USA.

Kudlow makes excellent points on energy.
Great analysis.

Exxon-Mobil's Tillerson is right.

Not much I can add to Kudlow's erudite insights on energy policy.

As long as he can restrain himself from shilling for Bush on Iraq, Kudlow is a most compelling commentator, and on energy policy, he is on the money.

Wrat Wrangler
Exactly. The other day I heard a good example...the size of the ANWR footprint set aside for drilling is like a postage stamp on a tennis court...oooohh the humanity. lets put it to a vote

Energy Question?
A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage here in our country.
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Well, there's a very simple answer.
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Nobody bothered to check the oil.
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We just didn't know we were getting low.
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The reason for that is purely geographical.
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Our OIL is located in:
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California
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Any Questions ???
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I didn't Think So.




Energy Victory
Good article, good posts. Exxon's Tillerman is being disingenuous trying to deflect onto Bush and the Saudi's. Anna's link nails his hide to the wall also. While you have to be careful speaking about "profits" the profit margin, or the famous "bottom line" Exxon's bottom line is also way up and in the upside down world of commodities holding back production reduces supply in a market with expanding demand and viola', increased price.
I think you can add Exxon, and probably other oil companies, to the list of people contributing to the problem. This does NOT remove the liberal Democrats from the head of the list however.
A really good book is "Energy Victory" by Robert Zubrin. It talks about changing our energy economy from an oil based one to a METHANOL based one. Methanol, unlike its' cousin Ethanol, can be made with anything that has carbon atoms in its' chemical structure. That would include landfill trash, switch grass, corn cobs, leaves, stems, roots, styrofoam cups, old tires, animal waste, in short darn near every nonmetalic thing we throw away. AND it can be made from COAL, something we have in abundance here in the US of A!

It can be made today with existing technology, can be chemically rendered into DME which works in current diesel engines. It can also be used in gas engines, with about $300 worth of modifications. In 2007 Methanol costs 93 cents a gallon, has 54% of the energy density of gasoline so to get the same energy output as a gallon of gas would cost $1.73 per 2 gallons of methanol.

Its' CO2 output is pretty close to regular engines but CO2 driven climate crisis is bull crap so that should not be a factor in any decision to change.

Larger Govmint?
We need cap and trade, to get more bureaucrats. Think of cap and trade as a way to reduce carbon in the atmosphere. I am capped at X tons of carbon and do not need all of it. You need a carbon credit and I sell you carbon credit and we both reach our limits. The net effect on carbon in the atmosphere? Same as if there was no cap and trade. But 1 + 1 = 2 isn't true anymore. Bush, McShame and Kudlow are members of the CFR.

Striking Out on Energy
You know, this is the frustrating thing about this election. It seems that no one wants to stick his neck out and fight for the American citizen. Oil drilling, terrorism, illegal immigration. We seem to be just sitting down and taking whatever is dealt to us. Gutless, I call it.

And why has our President been so silent on these issues? Why, like Reagan did, hasn't he been fighting tooth and nail the insane power grabbing tax and spend tactics of the Democrats.

I would be willing to bet that if a candidate went full force on these issues, he would be elected by a landslide. If he were elected, he should mount citizen petitions to inundate the Congress to make us energy sufficient for starters.

It's sad because I really don't think the far left loves this nation and wants to destroy it piece by piece.

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Kudly missed a point
Kudlow you left out one important piece of data. We could have been drilling in ANWR and off the coast in 2005 when Republicans has the majority but RINOs like McLame joined forces with the Commiecrats and blocked it. The 2005 energy bill was a sham that only included more pork and ethanol.

Cam

You are just like that idiot Akagi/Wobbie quoting BS numbers as the “only meaningful number”. The U.S. increased less that the Kyoto people in the percentages which is what the Kyoto people measure. So it is the ONLY meaningful measure.

In any case, it doesn’t make a hill of beans because Kyoto was a fraud and everyone except stupid people know that. The only people left pushing it or crooks and fools.

So would you rather be in jail or known as a fool?

MrRoy
Bush is not Reagan. He endorsed the spending policies of the GOP when it had power from 01 to 06, vetoing nothing. He has overseen the largest expansion of the federal government in our history. The budget rose from $1.88 trillion to $3.25 trillion beginning in 01 and through 09. The Heritage Foundation pointed out that during Bush's administration, the Federal Deficit, including this years spending, will have grown by $4.2 trillion - dwarfing anything that happened historically. Most of this lies at the feet of the GOP - with, of course, an assist from the Democrats. It was the GOP who abandoned principal and engaged in the insane power grab and spending that you try to redirect to the Democrats.

The GOP became the problem - not the solution. Today, it's struggling precisely because of this fact. Far more members of the public now believe that the Democrats are better on the economy - than the GOP. In the last 8 years we have set every dubious record one could imagine. The highest average federal deficits (2.5 times highers\ than any previous 8 year period), the highest balance of payments deficits (8X larger than 1997 and all the years prior), the most rapid expansion of spending in our history, and a dollar that has lost more purchasing power in a shorter period than during any other similar period since the end of WWII.

The GOP and Bush, as currently organized, had much of the power durin this period - and did nothing. Now, we reap the whirlwind - and so will they.

The Chickens will Roost
As a final note, Conservatives are running for the exists right now. Obama is no choice. But it increasingly appears that McCain is no choice either. Consider that first, he wants to grow the military, then, he proposed a $2500 individual and $5000 family tax credit for health insurance, and now this. We're running a deficit of $500 billion this year, which is almost 20% of the federal budget. We have $50 trillion in unfunded entitlements whose costs are now rising more rapidly than tax revenues as the 75 million boomers have started to retire, and all McCain talks about is spending (with a nod to earmarks and pork - which are no more than 1% to 2% of the budget (depending on what one calls pork).

It's all fiscal insanity. The only good news is that all of these chickens will come home to roost. Then, let the games begin as they do. Tax cuts, tax hikes, and the federal reserve cannot solve this mess. Only cutting spending will do that - and that is precisely what neither McCain nor Obama want to do.

This cap and trade idea...
appears to be worse that Bush's cap in hand.

Some edification needed.
The reson oil companies will not produce more oil is simply because there is not enough refining capacity. Environmentalists have prevented the building of any new refineries in a generation. You can't burn crude oil in your car.

Bush has it right.
" "Our problem in America gets solved when we aggressively go for domestic exploration. Our problem in America gets solved if we expand our refining capacity, promote nuclear energy and continue our strategy for the advancing of alternative energies as well as conservation," he said.

"One interesting thing about American politics these days is those who are screaming the loudest for increased production from Saudi Arabia are the very same people who are fighting the fiercest against domestic exploration, against the development of nuclear power and against expanding refining capacity." "
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080517140327.thd0wm my&show_article=1

Bush's statement
After being turned down by the Saudis, Bush issued the following statement:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080517140327.thd0wm my&show_article=1

Key excerpts

"US President George W. Bush said on Saturday that a hike in oil output by Saudi Arabia would not solve American energy problems."

"Our problem in America gets solved when we aggressively go for domestic exploration. Our problem in America gets solved if we expand our refining capacity, promote nuclear energy and continue our strategy for the advancing of alternative energies as well as conservation," he said."

Sounds good but think those two statements through: they are inconsistent. On the one hand, the Saudis rejected the need to increase productin because supply and demand are in balance. All orders are being filled on time.

On the other hand, Bush comes back stating that we have to drill our own oil. Oil is a fungible commodity and is priced based in the futures market, spot market and based on grade. Producing oil in America is more expensive than importing it so we would need to nationalize the oil industry to force prices down. Remember, this is not about supply on hand but price. Price has skyrocketed because, and this is what OPEC keeps suggesting, OPEC can't raise production significantly. We have used up about half or more of the world's oil reserves and are now in an accelerating race to full depletion.

So long as our politicians keep talking stupid by pretending that we can drill our way back to cheap oil, prices will keep skyrocketing. It's the stupid premium we pay for gas. The key is to do what America always did well before our current love affair with cheap labor, innovate. Government can call off the lawyers and take the political risk away from investing the billions that are required in developing the next source of cheap energy. Won't happen with this low-IQ, corrupt bunch.

oil policy
good thing for Mccain. if as you suggest , he was wrong, than its a good thing nobody heard him. somebody tell that guy in the white house that he is no longer top dog in the Reps and that he must coordinate his speeches timing with Mccain. in this case it worked out for Mccain and his "wouldnt it be loverly" : Impossible Dream" sppeech. nobody heard him. have you read five columns commenting on that dreadful bit of whimsy. its almost as if the Reps wish it had never happened. Perhaps they do. im sure Mccain wishedit. he should check his coordinators very carefully and isolate the one who was most enthusiastic about the speech and its content. Be very careful not to turn you back to him. Lets do it again Mccain. you havent made enough of an idiot of yourself.

RE: Dump McCain...
Let me second Dancing Bear's post, if McCain is elected the coming inevitable energy cost financial fiasco will be blamed on Republicans and conservative positions. A portion of the pending disaster is self inflicted by the Socialist Anthropogenic Global Warming consensus and wingnuts like McCain that buy into it. Cap and Trade is a pure BS fantasy devised to sell this con to the rubes (see McCain).
The reasons to get off oil are obvious and require immediate action, but that does not require our self destruction. The transition will benefit from U.S. Taxpayer dollars spent for research not energy commodity subsidies. The key word is transition, which means we need to source domestic resources for our current and near term energy requirements.

The stupidity continues
http://www.forbes.com/2008/05/16/oil-mining-congress-biz-be ltway-cx_bw_0516oil.html?partner=yahootix

We need to start electing adults. Don't these guys understand that more than 80% of the world's oil reserves lie are nationalized by hostile countries? What fatuity. Our "leaders" are so full of themselves. Washington may be full of grand buildings that make the place seem fit for gods but it occupied by corrupt pinheads.

CT is right on . . .
And by the way, has anybody bought lightbulbs yesterday? Due to the absurd regulations coming down the pipeline, even regular lightbulbs are begining to get expensive. Let's just face it. The man called W is an absolute idiot. He may or may not be a nice guy, and he may or may not be a cowboy -- but he has been a disaster as President and simply needs to go away. We've had more spending and regulation under this man than any prior President. And McCain is the exact same model -- maybe worse. I really, really hope that the RINOs are gone come next year. Would prefer Obama anyday insofar as the mess will fall on his shoulders and -- for the most part -- at least he is honest about being a Liberal. These Republicans are just raving idiots -- and this comes from one who is conservative on at least 70% of the issues out there. Good riddance, GOP.

CT
You have hit on the most important reason to not vote for McCain: conservatives will get blamed yet again for a uber-liberal disaster, just like with that poseur Bush. Conservatives are going to get blamed for EVERYTHING even though these disasters are the direct result of poseurs enacting liberal programs under the conservative label. Vote against the one-party system by voting 3rd party (no write-ins please, they don't get counted) just to show how many of us there are and that we matter.

for MrRoy
MrRoy asks: "And why has our President been so silent on these issues?"

Because he has expended every ounce of political capital he had, every favor he was owed, every deal he could make, to keep the Iraq War going. He's put all his chips into that.

Bush had no more political capital left to take on any more domestic initiatives.

In fact, that's why the Bush-Kennedy immigration bill failed last year. He had no more leverage left to even force the congressional GOP to go along with him on it.

Here is another little discussed pointe
The US leads the world in developing alternative energy technology. We stand ready to become THE major producer and exporter of alternative energy tech and services but who stands in the way? You guessed it, our one-party wedded-to-lawyers government. It could be the next gigantic industry within the next 5 years but we are on our way of exporting the entire opportunity to someone else. Apparently, if it involves innovations and doesn't require cheap labor , our "leaders" aren't interested.

Gridlock, again
Well, the gridlock on the energy issue continues.

Conservatives won't accept any conservation measures, not even fluorescent light bulbs. They get hysterical when anybody uses words like "mandate" or "standards."

Liberals won't accept increasing oil production in the U.S., for environmental reasons.

The result is that, year after year, Congress is stymied and we get no energy policy with teeth at all.

I don't know how to fix this. The philosophical differences are so vast that it makes compromise virtually impossible. Like the abortion issue.

for Pasadena Phil
Pasadena Phil writes: "We stand ready to become THE major producer and exporter of alternative energy tech and services but who stands in the way?"

I'll tell you. I've actually TALKED with those entrepreneurs--have you?

What they have said, is that the long-term investment required to bring alternative energy on line is stymied by volatile, fluctuating oil prices.

In past decades, every time oil prices rose and it LOOKED like alternative energy would become competitive with oil, OPEC cleverly increased production quotas, driving down the price of oil again and putting those alternative energy entrepreneurs out of business.

The Financial Times just had an article in which they said that the reason that Saudi Arabia is playing hardball now, is they want America to promise them that we will NOT develop alternative energy, in exchange for which they will let us have more of their oil. That's out-and-out extortion.

You want to fix that? The Government has to put a price floor under oil so that it can't be made artificially cheap again.

SteveL
How do we fix it? In the absence of coherent national energy policy, let the capitalists who are already investing billions in the solution solve it. Call off the lawyers! For the same reasons we don't build refineries (takes forever to get out of court), capital will not commit to expensive and long-term projects. Green projects are long-term too. Instead, everyone just piles on to the politically expedient argument of "cracking down" on the "evil" oil companies. We could all grow up a little. Including Kudlow.

Thank you, Mr. Kudlow,
for an excellent column.

Just to add a bit:
ExxonMobil is a very large and worldwide company. They earned $40 billion but all the governments took over $100 billion in taxes.

Only $10 billion of the $40 billion came from activities in the USA and $30 billion came from activities in all the other countries. The total of the $40 billion in earnings is regestered here as ExxonMobil is a USA company.

ExxonMobil invested $20 billion into drilling, refineries and used the rest in paying dividends or buying back their stock.

I agree that we should be drilling in and around the USA. The Cubans are letting the Chinese drill in the waters off Florida and we do not let an American comapany do that. Not only stupid but shameful as well.

SteveL
Yes I have. I do it for a living. Oil has been volatile for various reasons, mostly global politics (the biggest favor the Saudis ever did for us was to flood the world with sub-$10 oil to take down the Soviet Union e.g.) but today, the reason is that OPEC has lost pricing power. Enabling stable pricing was the only purpose of OPEC but because they can no longer flood the markets, they have lost control. Speculators are wreaking havoc because THEY CAB. That is now markets work. They are sending us a clear and loud message! Get serious about weaning ourselves of oil because the days of cheap oil are GONE!

There are several very good studies available that discuss the critical path to achieving energy independence and they ALL lead to the same conclusion: our government is a capricious and unreliable partner. The capital that is already working on the solution is threatened by our current government's insistence that ONLY the government can solve the problem and that their investments will be taxed away or confiscated because they are "bad" people.

And BTW, the Saudi's are being very accommodating to us and have less and less time to be as we continue to be irresponsible.

I strongly suggest reading the following as a start:

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309091632

Hard to read but it presents a critical path analysis of the entire problem and it goes far beyond hydrogen.

I would also strongly suggest reading:

http://www.amazon.com/Trillion-Dollar-Meltdown-Rollers-Cred it/dp/1586485636

Quick read and very dense packed with wisdom. The oil price problem is largely a dollar problem and it is a global crisis that is not being explained well in the popular media.d

There also many books covering Hubbert's Peak but I would recommend any by Kenneth Defeyes.

You have to get away from the hysterical political discussions to see reality.

SteveL
One last thing about the Saudis. They still haven't stepped away from pegging their reserves to the dollar. It makes no sense for them to continue and represents one of the many weaponss they and the rest of our creditors could use against us. If we don't start playing our cards better, we will someday be left with no option than to go to war. We can't keep selling the farm to pay for that Mercedes while the broken down tractor rusts in the fields. America is dis-investing and selling itself off to the world in pieces. We will quickly become a third-world economy of nothing but "guest workers" and land owners like Kudlow if we don't wise up.

usa4freedom #23
I never suggested such a thing was the answer to every region. The point is, free enterprise and good old yankee ingenuity is advancing. Innovating. Problem solving.
Such a thing does not need to work in Portland.
Though even most of eastern Oregon is desert...
There will be advancements for the cold and wet as well, and we can all help, in part by believing in and celebrating our problem solving nature and our freedom to exercise it.
This isn't France, and of course some will do some things cheaper than us.
And we aren't talking about solar panels, either.
I fully expected somebody to ridicule the kind of good news that encourages said belief in ourselves.
Disappointed that it would come from you.




BTW SteveL
The biggest holding in my own portfolio is from your neck of the woods: Evergreen Solar. Tell those blue-nose WASPS in Concord, Lexington and Bedford to get out of the way so they can finish that new string ribbon plant in Devens. There is no bigger BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing, Anywhere, Near Anything) problem anywhere in the world than in your neighborhood. The main barrier to their success is the shortage of processed silicon. However, almost all of their demand is foreign. Why? BANANA.

We deserve to have our butts kicked
Why should the rest of the world feed our oil habit if we won't drill ourselves? We deserve exactly what we are getting. McCain will take us further down the dependency path.

And by the way, why should we expect any country out there to give us its resources for less than the market will bear? I am a total military nut, and even I think we should be damned to hell if we start fighting wars for oil. Who the hell do we think we are?

Drill Florida, Louisiana, Alaska, or sit back and watch the rest of the world deservedly kick our tails all over the globle.

Windmills and Negative Power

Will one of you Wind blowers or Sun warmers tell me what you are going to do if, for a moment some day, the wind does not blow, and the sun does not shine. Please tell me.

I lived near Palm Springs for years, and there are thousands of ugly wind machines all over the place. Why not put them next to the Kennedy home in Mass.

Don’t you wonder about those windmills. Last I heard, they were tax shelters, and were never planned to produce a profit for anyone but the people who install and run them. Will they last long enough to produce more power than it took to produce, ship, and install them, etc.?

Solar water heaters are seen everywhere in Greece. I remember the man who owned a large campground in Greece. He was so proud of his “free” hot water, until I suggested he figure the cost to originally install it, and now, just a few years later, the cost to repair or replace the roof-top equipment that “produced” all that “free” hot water, and already needs repairs.

That was only the money cost to him, and did not include the environmental costs to produce and deliver the equipment. “Free” was not so “free.”


I forgot to add

In that Campground in Greece, there were problems when people who had paid good money to spend the night, could no longer find hot water after a Campground full of people had already taken their shower.


After all, the sun stopped shining, even tho the envio-nuts had passed a law demanding sunshine for 24 hours a day.

There's Plenty of Oil
The President wants oil output up. He is not advocating changing the law. He has no reason to. Tellerson is disengenuous.

CNN reported yesterday that Saudi's are currently producing only 60% of the oil output they are capable of. My guess is that the same is true of companies such as Exxon, but it seems to me that the President would rather
pressure the Saudi's than US based firms to increase output.

But the picture seems clear: Oil prices are fixed by a tacit collusion among the world's oil companies, and there is no incentive for them to end this racket, except, of course, the laws we have against collusion. So opening up off-limits places in the US for more oil drilling won't solve the world's oil price problems at all.

The ABC News website carried an AP story by H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer, who reported today (May 17, 2008) that the policy of the Saudi's "... is keep the supply and demand in close balance — and guard against prices tanking." This is the same policy that Anna reported Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson was pursuing. So,
both OPEC and the US oil companies are controlling the supply to keep the oil prices as high as they can sustain them.

It is cause for pause to hear that Exxon's net profit is only 10%, which doesn't sound high, but if they still made a profit when crude was recently much cheaper, then books must be cooking in the CFO's office.

I found the AP article here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/WireStory?id=4877007&page=1

right but not far enough
We have immense energy resources, offshore, Alaska, shale oil and tar sands, nuclear. Almost all of it is off limits to us (but not the Cubans or Chinese in the OCS)thanks to liberals in Congress.
Asking Saudi to produce more, which they probably can't do from mature fields, is the height of hypocrisy.
As to a carbon tax based on bogus global warming, useless and catastrophic.

Chip
The annual reports of Exxon and every other corporation in the world are there for everyone to see--why don't you look them up and check the numbers for yourself, keeping in mind that the books are independently audited. Maybe you'll find something that Congress hasn't found in decades of investigations.

You and Anna and others can enlighten me if I'm misinformed, but I thought that most companies try to produce their products in such amounts that they will maximize their returns on investment.

I don't recall that people in my old home state of California, during the late great housing boom, had any pangs of conscience over selling 50 or 60-year old 3-bedroom ranch houses for $700,000 or more. The general consensus was "hey, that's how the market works."

A little oilfield history
While I'm not so gullible as to believe that the Saudis aren't holding back production to keep prices high -- and whether you like them or not, they're entitled to do what they want to with their oilfields -- anybody who thinks that a field can or should be produced at "100% capacity," whatever that means, is showing ignorance. It's been tried before, when the industry was a lot less knowledgeable about such things, and the only result was that a lot of oil got left in the ground that will probably never be recovered.

Oil and Domestic Energy
WE should be drilling for oil domestically! Even though the benefits won't be seen for several years. We must start now. It is now inexcusable for congress to prohibit domestic oil recovery.

"Nobody" could guess how much oil we have off the continental shelf! The reason nobody knows, is that after 30 years of moratoriums, what energy company in their right minds would waste dollars, exploring for oil which they would be forbidden to recover? We must lift the moratoriums and permit domestic oil production now! When gas hits 8 dollars there will be a middle class revolution. Middle class cars will be abandoned and our economy will become history. We will be on bicycles. (Lot's of good for grocery shopping.) Good bye Disney World!
I believe we have huge amounts of recoverable oil which could offset our trade imbalance and lower gas prices until the "green alternatives" come on line.

The best hope for future transportation would be CNG powered cars. The gas is domestic and a refueling infrastructure could be planned. However our gas distribution pipelines need to be expanded to meet the projected volume of CNG powered cars.

Know that even with the perfect auto battery that could store enough power for a 300 mile range, will not solve the transportation problem. The grid can not handle the loads of so many electric cars. Nor can you buy ever buy a recharge along the highway. Nor can you exchange batteries along the highway either. The only hope for now is the Plug in Hybrid. Later with nuclear generation, we can free up natural gas from the utilities. Then we can power our cars with CNG. That can be provided along the highways for a relatively quick refill. But to ignore Drilling domestically will surely lead to the end of our economy.

bulldog
"You and Anna and others can enlighten me if I'm misinformed, but I thought that most companies try to produce their products in such amounts that they will maximize their returns on investment."

You believe the Saudi's would manipulate supply to drive up prices, but not EXXON?



"Big oil companies can continually miss their targets OR EVEN TARGET NO GROWTH and still shine on Wall Street due to the peculiar nature of commodity businesses. Less supply of a commodity means higher prices. Higher oil prices mean more profits for the oil companies."

I don't see what's hard to understand about that.

Exxon hasn't been making only 10%.

"Last year, ExxonMobil led the industry with a return on capital of 32%."

If they only made 10% on BILLIONS, I am not going to cry in my beer for them! Tillerson got the co to pay him a 400 million bonus.


When I posted this article on a Sowell thread. Everyone went crazy calling me names...socialist, paulbot, for gold,etc.

Hey, I just want to know the truth. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. If oil co are manipulating supply in order to inflate the price I want to know the truth.


So shoot me!

Anna
Believe me, I'm not crying for Exxon-Mobil either, and in case you're wondering, no I'm not a shill for the oil majors.

Actually, I thought I was agreeing with you by saying that companies do try to maximize their ROI by controlling how much they produce, and that I thought that was a normal business practice. Remember that even CEOs must answer to their stockholders.

I brought up the CA real estate reference just to illustrate a maxim of mine that profits are only bad if the other guy is getting them at my expense.

Anna
BTW, it does no good to confuse terms like "net profit" and "return on capital." Return on capital is always going to be higher, because it doesn't count operating expenses, taxes, royalties, etc.

In any case, you're right, 10% net profit on billions in revenue is a lot of money. But we need to compare apples with apples, you can't compare an oil company's return on capital with some other company's net profits and say that the oil company is making out better.


mccain gave a peeh, i swear he did
Anyone out there remember that Mccain gave a speech last week, pne that he himnself labeled as major. It was his "Impossible Dream" and "Wouldnt it be Loverly" speeech. Ill bet Mccain himself is doing his best to forget it. therin lies the answer as to who will win in November. George W Bush gives a speech, Obama answers, evertbody rmembers. Mccain just talks to me hand

bulldog
I think we are getting scr*wed in about as many ways as are possible.

Big Oil manipulating supply is just one of them.


I think the real power in this country (Larry's CFR buddies) would like to see the middle class destroyed. McCain is their stooge. He wouldn't be going along with the global warming hogwash if they didn't want him to. It's going to kill us economically.

“It is folly to underestimate the contempt that the Rockefeller Republicans have for the middle class, regarding it as a roadblock to their ability to make the money they should be able to make.

I believe that if the R. Republicans had their way, there would be a massive slave labor class that people would be born into, could not work their way out of, and die in. What better way to do this than by allowing unlimited numbers of illegal aliens to come and stay.”


"“It is Kissinger’s belief, according to his aides, that by controlling food, one can control people, and by controlling energy, especially oil, one can control nations and their financial systems."


Oil and Food?


BTW I am also proud to wear my tinhat. Everyone loves to pile-on about that also. LOL

So is 74 your age or the year you graduated from highschool?! I was apparently lacking in all imagination with my name.



You are right.
BTW, it does no good to confuse terms like "net profit" and "return on capital." Return on capital is always going to be higher, because it doesn't count operating expenses, taxes, royalties, etc.


my mistake


Drilling in the US
We constantly hear that we have limited refinery capacity in the US with no new refineries built over the last 30 years or so. The Federal Govt should link the granting of new licences to drill in US to an increase in refining capacity. No increase in refining by Corp X = no new license. Would that help?

Anna
Well, I'm with you on the RINOs (beware of those here in the Northeast who call themselves "Republicans")...they're more interested in having cheap help than doing what's best for the country.

"74" does refer to my HS graduation year...don't know why I picked it as a scrren name, just sort of popped in there randomly.

Newt and paloosi
james
Location: TX

Reply # 5
Date: May 16, 2008 - 8:52 PM EST Subject: train wreck
This whole GW hoax/carbon tax is like an impending train wreck that seems impossible to stop. What's really terrifying is that I don't believe the average American even knows what's going on. I talked to a friend at work about it, and he was under the impression that the gov't was trying to control Carbon MONOXIDE (a poison gas). When I told him it was Carbon Dioxide, the source of all life, he just looked at me confused and glassy-eyed.

Now even Newt is out there preaching this garbage. What the hell is going on? I've lost complete hope in the Republican Party. Hundreds of climatologists went to D.C. a few months ago to claim that Man-made global warming is a farce, along with a signed petition from THOUSANDS of weather experts/scientists...yet they WERE COMPLETELY IGNORED! The only "experts" being listened to are Al Gore's university lab scientists.

For the first time in my life, I'm ready to storm Washington D.C. myself. We Americans HAVE to stop this insanity. NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT FOR US. Who's with me?

James:

I couldn't agree more. When Newt plays "toesies" with Palosi, watch out. Newt knows better!

McCain, on the other hand, is not the brightest, even though it appears that we will have no other reasonable choice.

http://www.discovery.org/blogs/discoveryblog/2007/08/melly_ gilder_versus_al_gore.php

Check this link to read what an informed commentator knows.

I am at a loss. I have been archiving many sites that warn us about the economical disaster we're heading into if we don't stop this nonsense.

Refineries
New oil refineries and nuke plants attract so many lawsuits and restraining orders that it becomes economically unfeasible to construct them.

Environmentalism is the new 21st century fascism and has prevented the USA from providing for its own energy needs. Check the finances of the law firms who file environmental litigation. The money leads back to the radical leftists and international socialists like George Soros.

Actually Chuckles, the preferred method

is to answer the questions that area asked of you... Such as...

Are you..........

1. Impersonating an officer?

or

2. Violating the UCMJ?


Why is this so hard for you???? You ol' narcissist you, you!



jim #58,59
Firstly, the answers you seek regarding storage are available to anyone willing to make even the most elementary inquiry into the field of study.
Secondly, do you really think the project I mentioned would win a 100 million dollar investment and long term purchase agreements because everyone involved just somehow managed to forget that the sun does not shine 24 hours a day?
Get a grip on yourself man.
Obviously, the project is viable enough to make economic sense even producing power only when the sun shines, which speaks pretty clearly in it's favor, doesn't it.
I am pro drilling and pro nuclear, until newer, more elegant technologies come online. And they will be doing so, despite such mindless mockery, but we can be a part of the solutions if we want to, and attitude is a big part of that.
Healthy skepticism is good and I am a foremost advocate of it.
Wanton cynicism is not, and would make one part of the problem here. That cannot be what you want to be known as.
Believe in America. In free enterprise and our ability to innovate and solve such problems.
It helps us all build a brighter future when we do. Thanks Jim. Glad someone gave me a reason to make the point.






DAVIDMAC REPLY #74
Exactly correct!! I am certain that there will never be another refinery built in the USA. We will simply go further and further down until dead waiting on alternative energy to save us. The media has every body believing that this is just around the corner. How stupid we have become. The simple fact that no one seems to realize is that Oil is the life-blood of this world!! And it will be for at least the next 50 years.

Ditto to Reply #5

James you are exactly right.
I have a friend who is an atmospheric scientist and appeared before the Maryland House of Delegates to argue against their up coming legislation that will increase taxes in order to fight "global warming." He said no one (no politician that is) is listening. He said he had taken with him several pages of notes and the Delegates gave him 2 minutes to speak! Al Gore and his cronies have much influence and power in Washington.

HOW ABOUT
uncapping the multiple oil platforms in Texas that I personally CAPPED years ago in Texas when Cheney was still with Halliburton? In other words, just turn the spigot BACK ON. Shell, Exxon-Mobil wells to name a few. Prices are high enough NOW, so why not? The reason we capped them in the past was because OIL prices were TOO LOW. I bet the Truckers in this country would love to have just SOME of the diesel that used to JUST LAY AROUND AND SOAK INTO THE GROUND...lol... Yes, I know, American crude is thicker, not easy to refine, blah, blah, blah....WE ARE AMERICANS, IT CAN BE DONE..MAKE IT SO NUMBER ONE !

Refineries
If anyone wants to experience what impact refineries really have, they need to visit Alvin, Texas. Man, that place STINKS for miles around. NO, I really mean it physically STINKS. The TRUE answer is to get AWAY from OIL altogether. My last post was just a suggestion for short-term relief. I do not promote building new refineries. That would stink (no pun intended) too.

Silver Lion
Actually, that's happening now...I mentioned in another thread how, on my last trip to California, I had seen rig activity now going on in fields that were pretty much on their last legs in the mid-1980s, when oil was $8-10 per barrel.

It might be worth noting that a fair amount of this work is being carried on by independents, who picked up marginal leases that the majors were no longer interested in (this includes one field of which I was foreman back when I worked for a major). And it's these small-to-medium sized independents who would have the most to lose by a Windfall Profits Tax or some of the other so-called "solutions" that are being proposed.

American ingenuity and entreneurship will find a way if it's allowed to work.

Bulldog74
Yes, a business should generally set its prices to maximize its profit. But a group a businesses cooperating together fix prices is illegal.

Commodity producers are normally supposed to produce as much of their product as they can, and this will keep the prices affordable for the people. It is not normal for commodity producers to cooperate with each other to fix the price of a commodity, nor is it legal.

When oil prices drop too low to make a profit for certain "oil" companies, their job is to see it coming, then
cap their unprofitable wells, for possible re-use in the future.
Also, they should invest in other forms of energy production that are the most profitable, such as shale, natural gas, coal, geothermal, wind turbines, and solar, for examples.

But sitting around the office and working out ways with your competitors to fix prices to maximize the profitability of oil retards growth in these other areas, hurts the economy with high energy prices, and is illegal.

If Exxon's books are clean, then the only way I can see how, with just a 10% net profit combined with a doubling of the price for their oil, would be if all that extra revenue were invested in other areas of energy production. That would be much better than just kickbacks under the table, but still, getting excess profits by price fixing is illegal.

And it happens. Just for one example, a group of big companies in the building materials
industry recently settled in civil court to pay back many millions of dollars of overcharges to their distributors because they cooperated with each other in an illegal price fixing scheme. And the result to society was higher costs and fewer people who obtained a product they could have benefitted from.

This is why a free market economy needs some regulation. It's not all just about "supply and demand". Otherwise, the free market system won't work.

Chip
I agree totally, if there is something illegal going on, it should be found out and punished.

Still, every time there's an oil price increase, the heads of the oil companies get hauled in front of Congress, and committe members get their 15 minutes of fame in front of the cameras, and they come up with...nothing.

Yes, I know there are mobsters who get away with stuff for years too, but really, it would seem that a price fixing scheme on the order of 85 million barrels per day of consumption would be found out at some point.

And look what happened in the 1980s when Saudi Arabia tried to flex its muscle within OPEC in the face of falling oil demand--the price went from $40 to $10 a barrel, and just about wiped out the U.S. petroleum industry (I was part of the layoffs).

SILVER LION THE STINK(ER)
Lets do away with all stink, waste water treatment facilities, most mfg plants, breweries, etc. Most especially oil refineries. Lets do away with oil even before we have any sort of half-way viable alternative. This is what the mass media/algore proposes! Of course, the only real problem with this is the stench of the millions (death from starvation and freezing) of dead bodies. What little energy that would be left we could not afford to waste on burying our dead. Like it or not oil is the life blood of this world now and for the foreseeable future - nothing even comes close to taking its place! If you know what that might be let the world know. By the way have you passed by an ethanol plant?

saulsaul
I don't know about ethanol plants, but I remember as a young summer hire working in the oilfields in California, the days I hated the most were working near this mill that refined sugar beets...talk about stink!

Carbon rations, Carbon Quotas
Agreed that carbon tax, esp to the extent it displaces the income tax, would be far preferable to an energy rationing scheme. I promise you that on top of all the other negs, as soon as this thing is established, various people & institutions are going to be given "extra carbon credit" on one pretext or other, at the expense of the rest of us. (e.g. racial disparity, "income inequality", sexual orientation, public but not private schools, unionized industry vs open shops, allowing more gvmt surveillance of our personal business, etc) It would be a whole new wealth-redistribution / quota scheme from Hades.

Agree heartily with the poster who says the innovation-stimulation arguments is a sham because government would penalize any innovation that threatens the new regime of energy dearth & rationing. Effective nuclear, solar, or wind/wave would be supressed to keep value of "carbon credits" market up! Been there in the chemical waste field. Easier to let all the waste generating industry go to China & India, now ditto for CO2-emitting industry (virtually all) too.

The Diesel Bomb & Immoderatism
Someone made a wise observation in another thread the real torpedo aimed at the economy are prices of diesel for farming & basic freight transport. That's where a real economic ripple effect tartss. Just let there be a SHORTAGE of diesel for any reason, & watch the economy tank!

One of the 1st things we need to work on are viable alternatives for diesel. Were it not for the anthrogenic CO2 induced climate change dogma looming, we'd be rationally discussing coal liquefaction to deal w/ that now.

McCAin proposes thae most radical extreme restrictive policies EVER in reply to a never-proven alleged problem. Somebody tell me again why all these "moderates" are supposed to be attracted by this kind of radicalism, but scared off by reasonable true conservatism?!?

10 Largest Crude Oil Producers - 2006
(annual million bbl)

1. Saudi Arabian Oil Co - 3,248
2. National Iranian Oil Co - 1,405
3. Petroleos Mexicanos - 1,332
4. Petroleos de Venezuela - 935
5. British Petroleum - 903
6. Abu Dhabi National Oil Co - 894
7. **Exxon-Mobile Corp - 832
8. Petro China Ltd - 830
9. Nigerian National Petr. Co. - 810
10. Kuwait Ptroleum Co - 803

So everyones' favorite boogie man, Exxon, is No 7 (only US oil company on the list).

Source NRCan Fuel Focus Oct 26. 2007

Also US Crude refining capacity:
1985 15,671 Million bbl / day
2007 17,447

Source US Energy Information Administration, DoE



Typical American businessmen
Bulldog: It may be a little easier than you might think for big oil to fix their prices.

The companies I alluded to, as an example outside of the energy industry, were mainstream American firms, such as Manville, Schuller, Certainteed, and so on, which are also independently audited as the oil companies are. The people who manage and represent them were never regarded as mobsters but very much as all-American business types. Everyone in the industry who bought large amounts of their products knew they fixed prices in various ways, for years and years. For example, price increases would be announced by all the companies about the same time, and then there was often a "shortage" of the products so customers had to be assigned "allocations", and special rates were given to special (large)
customers, ensuring they operated at a competive advantage in the marketplace against smaller customers.

But business was business and no one really cared enough to do anything about it, nor did anyone hold these companies in low esteem. But one day someone saw red and went to court.

Columbus Drywall v Masco Corporation, et all,

and it covered product sales 1999 to 2004, though it could easily have covered much further back. Since this case was heard, the entire market for the defendents' products has changed such that all prices are about 25% lower.

Now that I've seen this, it doesn't seem so unlikely to me that big oil could play a similar game.



Scott: The CEO of Exxon is an important source of this commentary Kudlow just wrote, and, being a familiar company, makes for a good case study as well for a discussion group, meaning what we say about Exxon could likely be said of most energy companies.

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