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Thursday, August 30, 2007
Larry Kudlow :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Big Easy's Billion Dollar Boondoggle
by Larry Kudlow
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So, the president and Mrs. Bush went down to New Orleans to commemorate the second anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. Who knows? Maybe over a latte with leading Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards, they discussed spending even more money down there. After all, everyone seems to be saying New Orleans needs more cash.

Here's a pop quiz: How much money has Uncle Sam spent on New Orleans and the Gulf region since Hurricane Katrina ripped the place apart?

I'll give you the answer because you'll never guess it. The grand total is $127 billion (including tax relief).

That's right: a monstrous $127 billion. Of course, not a single media story has highlighted this gargantuan government-spending figure. But that number came straight from the White House in a fact sheet subtitled, "The Federal Government Is Fulfilling Its Commitment to Help the People of the Gulf Coast Rebuild." Huh?

This is an outrage. The entire GDP of the state of Louisiana is only $141 billion, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce. So the cash spent there nearly matches the entire state gross GDP. That's simply unbelievable. And to make matters worse, by all accounts New Orleans ain't even fixed!

You might be asking: Where in the hell did all this money go? Well, the White House fact sheet says $24 billion has been used to build houses and schools, repair damaged infrastructure and provide victims with a place to live. But isn't everyone complaining about the lack of housing?

Perhaps all this money should've been directly deposited in the bank accounts of the 300,000 people living in New Orleans. All divvied up, that $127 billion would come to $425,000 per person! After thanking Uncle Sam for their sudden windfall, residents could head to Southern California and buy homes that are now on sale thanks to the sub-prime mortgage crisis and bid up the sagging house prices in the state.

The fact sheet goes on to say that $7.1 billion went to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to rebuild the levees; that the U.S. Department of Education spent $2 billion on local schools; and that the Laura Bush Foundation for America's Libraries has awarded more than $2.5 million (the pikers). The administration also provided $16.7 billion as part of the largest housing-recovery program in U.S. history.

So the billion-dollar question becomes: Where did the rest of that money go?

Meanwhile, according to an article by Nicole Gelinas at the Manhattan Institute, New Orleans has earned the distinct honor of becoming the murder capital of the world. The murder rate is 40 percent higher than before Katrina, and twice as high as other dangerous cities like Detroit, Newark, N.J., and Washington, D.C.

Think of this: The idea of using federal money to rebuild cities is the quintessential liberal vision. And given the dreadful results in New Orleans, we can say that the government's $127 billion check represents the quintessential failure of that liberal vision. Hillary Clinton calls this sort of reckless spending "government investment." And that's just what's in store for America if she wins the White House next year.

Remember President Reagan's line during the 1980 campaign about how LBJ fought a big-government spending war against poverty, and poverty won? Well think of all this Katrina spending as the Great Society Redux. And it failed. I suppose the current Bush administration would like to label this "compassionate conservatism." But guess what? That failed, too.

Right from the start, New Orleans should have been turned into a tax-free enterprise zone. No income taxes, no corporate taxes, no capital-gains taxes. The only tax would have been a sales tax paid on direct transactions. A tax-free New Orleans would have attracted tens of billions of dollars in business and real-estate investment. This in turn would have helped rebuild the cities, schools and hospitals. Private-sector entrepreneurs would have succeeded where big-government bureaucrats and regulators have so abysmally failed.

This is the real New Orleans Katrina story. It's a pity that the mainstream media isn't writing about it. Call it one of the greatest stories never told.

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I am glad that you
addressed the travesty that is going on in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast but you have the wrong solution. The Constitution does not give the federal government any authority to spend taxpayer funds on bailing out storm damaged areas or for providing "first responder" activities for storms. There should be NO money spent on any of this mess. I look at it like earmarks and pork barrel politics for the executive branch. Another federal program in this area should also go, that is the federally subsidized flood insurance. This, more than anything else, is what has caused the actual property damage from Hurricanes to escalate beyond reason. Before flood insurance people and business did not locate on the beaches where hurricanes would destroy them. Yes, there were a few brave souls who put up summer houses and cheesy motels but they did it knowing that if their building got demolished they were out of luck. Flood insurance is so expensive that most individuals can't afford it but that isn't a big problem. Anyone who can afford a hundred yards of beachfront property can afford it and the individuals don't really need it because the feds will bail them out anyway without insurance.
As for New Orleans itself there should have been no effort to bring back a city that has been built below sea level. This is absolute lunacy.

In response
BTW, I am one of the folks receiving some of the federal largesse (was a homeowner in a neighboring parish that had virtually 100% flooding.)

First off, it is a similar situation to 9-11. As a nation, we could have easily just said, "tough luck", and simply left the WTC as haunted parking lot. We could be doing the same in NOLA. But as a matter of pride, and indeed necessity, we have decided to clean up and rebuild both areas.

As for the old yarn that folks are rebuilding "below sea level", well my home was +3' NGVD, and I still got 9' of water. FEMA has stipulated new guidelines as for home elevation (i.e., ability to get flood insurance), and has even based its analysis on the belief that ... LEVEES SHOULD NOT CATASTROPHICALLY FAIL!

Part II
Many of my neighbors are blue collar worker in the energy business (i.e., oil production of refining.) There are many other folks that work in the port business, or in some national security capacity. These folks must be able to live near their jobs, and the regular support industries need to be near them as well. The idea that NOLA can be abondoned is preposterous (although some folks could move across the lake to better ensure themselves against levee failures in the future.)

As for this big number being thrown out, a lot of it was for the cleanup, and it was incredibly wasted on overhead by big government contractor corporations that got paid $200/hr to manage a guy driving a dump truck getting paid only $15/hr. And in any case, disposing of 100K number of structures and/or their contents is a BIG JOB! This is money that would need to spent in any case.

A good amount was simply flood insurance settlements that folks was totally legitimate in return for the premiums that they paid. Some money was spent on housing for folks who were left homeless; this is also a legitimate expense until folks can finally rebuild. Outside of this, the actually rebuilding outlay is only going to be about $20G.

Of course, at the end Mr. Kudlow pulls out his own canard about how zero taxes can solve any problem. I will agree that if one area has such a tax regime, then it will draw in a lot more investment - at the expense of other areas, of course - as it merely a subsidy. One could simply throw a dart at a map of the USA, set up a similar regime, and the place would boom. But then again, the GO ZONE program was used to build luxury condos for Bama football fans in Tuscaloosa.

Beyond all question...
...the hard facts are against the Orleanos and their ceaseless demands for more. It's simply a political ploy now, another stroke in the campaign against the Bush Administration.

But even if it were otherwise, I'd still say to give them nothing. There are two excellent reasons:

1. They want to rebuild a sinkhole of depravity in a deathtrap locale;
2. Their whining has become intolerable.

Let them fend for themselves.

swampwiz
The difference between Katrina and 9-11 is that 9-11 was an act of foreign agression, which the federal government is supposed to protect against. However. they are not supposed to "rebuild" NYC. I don't see a lot of federal funds going to rebuild the WTC, do you?

the next big storm???
What kind of levees will they construct that will hold back 17 feet of water next time??? It would seem common sence to build back further to prevent this tragedy from happening again.

Money Doesn't Solve Everything?
You mean to tell me that simply throwing massive amounts of money with little control or oversight didn't solve the problem? Whoda thunk it?!?

And Vic, shame on you for trying to restrict our federal government to powers only authorized by the Constitution. Surely you realize that this document was created by a bunch of dead white elitists from long ago.

That's all?
Considering the fact that W is flushing $2 Billion every week down the toilet of Iraq, the cost of rebuilding the last major city at the mouth of the biggest river in North America seems like a good deal.

You're doing a heck of a job, Bushie!

Christian Manfred
We got along fine for 200 years with a smaller city built above sea level and no levies. We can get along just as well going back to what was. In any case, if the people in LA wish to have a corrupt city, with a corrupt, mayor, combined with a corrupt governor, all pocketing money from the public then they can pay for it. The only thing that makes LA not the most corrupt government State in the Union is NJ and it is a close race.

The Difference
Christian Manfred, There's a big difference. National Defense against foreign enemies by our federal government IS authorized by the constitution while Natural Disaster services by our federal government ISN'T authorized by the constitution.

You might disagree with the policy and tactic of engaging our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan but there is no doubt that our President has the powers to pursue this strategy. Every cent and effort that the feds have spent on the Katrina tragedy is completely unconstitutional. See we both can agree that Bush has recklessly wasted our money in efforts that he is not legitimately authorized to pursue -- I just have the constitutional basis to make my argument. Not that libs care much about the Constitution.

Some people
are so stupid


swampwiz writes: BTW, I am one of the folks receiving some of the federal largesse (was a homeowner in a neighboring parish that had virtually 100% flooding.)

First off, it is a similar situation to 9-11. As a nation, we could have easily just said, "tough luck", and simply left the WTC as haunted parking lot. We could be doing the same in NOLA. But as a matter of pride, and indeed necessity, we have decided to clean up and rebuild both areas.
================================================

Just so you know, the clean up and rebuilding effort of the WTC was not a federal project. If you want the same treatment FEMA would have pulled out of New Orleans after the search and recovery effort was over.

As someone in New Orleans
the problem is 100% the liberal government in New Orleans. Being from Oklahoma and moving down after Katrina to help some friends I was and still am shocked at the idiots that win elections down here. The corruption is horrible to the point that I have heard school board members talking about how they are going to line friends' pockets with money for the schools at public restaurants and the locals walk up shake their hands and like them.

I've spent time in several places from Oklahoma City to Denver to Portland and none of them are as corrupt or have people as stupid as New Orleans. The people who grew up here and have college degrees from LSU, Tulane, etc lack basic fundamental reasoning skills. The things I though everyone was taught in elementry school. People have no respect for their home. You see people emtying the trash out of their cars while sitting at red lights and the police just watch and do nothing. I'm used to that being at least a $100 fine.

If New Orleans wants to clean things up it's going to have to start with the government, but when corruption is all you've known and what you are used to there becomes a point where you accept it. Add in that most of the people are not equiped with the tools to understand how politics work and the role of government there is little hope for the area.

Good ole boys from LSU
We got no-necked oilmen from Texas
And good ol' boys from Tennessee
And college men from LSU
Went in dumb. Come out dumb too
Hustlin' 'round Atlanta in their alligator shoes
Gettin' drunk every weekend at the barbecues

Why should the taxpayers of America finance this?

Federalism
Now, I'm about as hard-core a federalist as there can be, but any honest person knows that federalism must come with a precondition. The money can't already have been taken away from the states!!

You can't just pull out the Constitution after the fact and say that people should have handled the disaster themselves. They have no money to do it because their people have been robbed by the federal government, which has promised to take control in such situations. Without federal control of flood control projects, the levees would be built properly and the disaster wouldn't have happened in the first place.

Another big problem that never gets mentioned anywhere is government price control on the insurance industry. Without price controls, the insurance companies would charge rates based on scientifically calculated risk, so the cost to living in a risky area would be exactly proportional to the risk. Also, insurance companies would charge enough to have enough in reserve to handle such a disaster. Instead, they nickel and dime policyholders by not paying out legitimate claims.

All you hacks who say that New Orleans should be abandoned, do you have any clue how much it would cost to move such a city? You talk about $130 billion being alot, wait til you get the price tag for that! No, all that needs to happen is to get rid of the price controls. Then people will pay for the privilege of living there.

Darren
Any price controls that are out there are local and State, therefore the responsibility of the State. And yes, it would be easy and cheap for the feds to abandon it. Just go back to the way it was before 1965. What makes you think that the feds should pay for moving anything? People can move themselves.

The private sector???

Oh no, Larry...PLEASE don't say that you favor the private sector over government bureaucrats.

I mean, what will those self-serving, blood sucking and deceiving politicians do if they are not loved anymore???

Oh, calamities. Oh, calamities.


swampwiz sez
... LEVEES SHOULD NOT CATASTROPHICALLY FAIL!

I live on the Texas Gulf coast. I know my house will disappear if I get any kind of storm surge. Last year it flooded with a five-inch rain! Gee. I wish taxpayers' money (not mine) would build me a levee that wouldn't fail. Then I wouldn't have to have Texas windstorm insurance (separate from homeowners insurance, thanks to Katrina), flood insurance (from FEMA), and a ton of insurance from Allstate. But waaaaa! I ain't got no levees.

Vic
"Any price controls that are out there are local and State, therefore the responsibility of the State."

I never said that price controls were federal.

"And yes, it would be easy and cheap for the feds to abandon it. Just go back to the way it was before 1965. What makes you think that the feds should pay for moving anything? People can move themselves."

I don't know what you're referring to here, but if you propose not to give money to the uninsured, I'd agree with you. They should have insured their property. If you propose that the federal government remove all disaster funding, there I'd disagree. Read my argument in the previous post.

If the government was to tell people they can't rebuild on their own private property, this would be a de facto seizure of property, which would require just compensation as given in the Constitution.

Realist
No levees are far better than bad ones. At least then people build at their own risk.

Murder Capital title not new
This is not the first time that New Orleans has held the murder capital title. They also held it in 1993.

Tax free zone a good idea
I think Kudlow's right. Turing NO into a tax-free zone would have caused millions upon millions of dollars to poured in there.

Darren
You implied that the feds should finance all of the NO recovery. I responded in kind.

Vic
Neither the federal nor state government should subsidize the lack of insurance. Beyond that, I think the feds have the responsibility to fix the levee system that they mucked up when they built it in the early 90s. They also have the responsibility to do a little disaster management. This only because that is what we pay them 35% of our income to do. They have promised it. But from here on out, we need to move in the direction of more local control. Bush is using this as an excuse to move to central control, which fails every time. It will only make the problem worse.

It was the same thing with the bridge collapse in Minnesota. When politicians should have been pushing for state and local control over infrastructure, they instead pushed for federal control.

THE LAST PARAGRAPH SAYS IT ALL
THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THIS ARTICLE STATES THE WAY KATRINA RELIEF SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED.

PRIVATE CITIZENS HAVE A MUCH BETTER TRACK RECORD AT BUILDING & REBUILDING THAN THE GOVERNMENT HAS. THE INCENTIVE OF A TAX FREE ENTERPRISE ZONE ATTRACTS THE KIND OF PEOPLE NEEDED TO REBUILD NEW ORLEANS BETTER THAN BEFORE.

ONE OTHER NOTE, AN ACCOUNTING MUST BE MADE OF ALL MONIES SPENT BY THE FEDS IN THIS EFFORT. A WHOLE LOT OF IT IS MISSING.

Vic
Neither the federal nor state government should subsidize the lack of insurance. Beyond that, I think the feds have the responsibility to fix the levee system that they mucked up when they built it in the early 90s. They also have the responsibility to do a little disaster management. This only because that is what we pay them 35% of our income to do. They have promised it. But from here on out, we need to move in the direction of more local control. Bush is using this as an excuse to move to central control, which fails every time. It will only make the problem worse.

It was the same thing with the bridge collapse in Minnesota. When politicians should have been pushing for state and local control over infrastructure, they instead pushed for federal control.

(If this posts twice, it is because the 1st one did not show up. TH.com sucks.)

Mr Kudlow, "AMEN to that!"
Amen, Amen, Amen.....whenever you say "Federal project" you are saying waste, period. It has never changed and never will, but the Democrats will continue to demand them.
New Orleans did not spring up over night to reach the point of growth at the time Katrina hit, and it DIDN'T becmoe the city it was due to the Federal government before, so why should it now? Because for politcal reasons, the Democrats screamed bloody murder after GOD sent a hurricane which drowned New Orleans, an occurance always in the cards.
Bush should have declared martial law and put the US military in charge right after he did his "fly over" (the best way, BTW, to take in the totality of the devastation at that time) stopping the local and state Democrats from getting in the way with their politics, graft and corruption.
He should have condemned that "9th ward" (anyone know why it is referred to as a "ward") and all of the other areas of near total destruction and purchased the lands, thus preventing any new ludicrous developements in a flooding suicide zone (he could have rendered these new Federal lands to the National Parks department making the environmentalists orgasm in delight).
He should never have given in to lunacy of rebuilding New Orleans to its former self.

re: swampwiz
swampwiz wrote:

"BTW, I am one of the folks receiving some of the federal largesse (was a homeowner in a neighboring parish that had virtually 100% flooding.)..."

>>

I'm curious, what makes you so special that you deserve a portion of ~my~ income to subsidize ~your~ disaster recovery?

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"... Some money was spent on housing for folks who were left homeless; this is also a legitimate expense until folks can finally rebuild..."

>>

Legitimate? Really? Please cite for me the Article and Clause of the Constitution that makes that a legitimate expense.



Fact of life: You ~chose~ to live/remain in an area prone to hurricanes and flooding. By doing so ~YOU~ accepted the risks. If you failed to take adequate measures to mitigate, guard against, or insure those risks, then that is ~YOUR~ fault. Not mine or anyone else's.

~YOU~ are responsible for ~YOUR~ choices.

The fact is, by relying on government... by accepting federal disaster relief... ~you~ are part of the problem.

re: Darren
I'm curious...

Which Article and Clause of the Constitution of the United States empowers the Federal Government to do any of that??

http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Liberty First
You don't need to lecture me on the Constitution. Read my 9:55 post.

Ray Nagin For VP
I guess the same city that proudly re-elects Congressman William 'refrigerator'Jefferson and that magnificent example of coolness under fire (or water) Ray Nagin doesnt really need to explain where billions of dollars of reconstruction money has gone. One look at him and we know. Us taxpayers will be proud on election day 2008 when the beautiful new shiny school buses will be transporting hordes of brain-dead Orleanians to the polls to vote for the Clinton-Nagin ticket. Oh the members of the levee commissions will be bustin their buttons with pride at a civic revival that is cheap at only $147 billion.

You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet
Just wait until the incredibly "efficient" government runs health care ... the spending on this boondoggle will look like penny ante stuff!

The faith in the left in government running things in the face of relentless evidence and experience otherwise is just mind boggling!

$425,000 per PERSON, not family mind you, but per person! How much would the cleanup of these houses cost ... I'm guessing that $10,000 would pretty much get your old house leveled and hauled off ... the remaining $415,000 should put up at least ghetto level housing? For a family of four, that's $1,700,000 ... NOT counting the land which is still there and owned by the original owner!

This is also very reminiscent of government spending on education where a secondary school now costs more than college in many of the liberal run cities! Yeah, government is the solution!

re: Darren
"You don't need to lecture me on the Constitution. Read my 9:55 post."

>>

I didn't lecture you on the Constitution.

I asked you to cite the Constitutional authority for those programs/expenditures you're saying that the Feds have a responsibility for

Re: Your post of 11:10:

"... They also have the responsibility to do a little disaster management. This only because that is what we pay them 35% of our income to do. They have promised it..."


You say the Federal government has that responsibility. Please cite the Constitutional authority.

Look at the fine points...
Is tax relief the same as cash in hand? How about a breakdown of actual cash outlays versus tax relief amounts?

OK I'll re-post it.
9:55AM

Federalism
Now, I'm about as hard-core a federalist as there can be, but any honest person knows that federalism must come with a precondition. The money can't already have been taken away from the states!!

You can't just pull out the Constitution after the fact and say that people should have handled the disaster themselves. They have no money to do it because their people have been robbed by the federal government, which has promised to take control in such situations. Without federal control of flood control projects, the levees would be built properly and the disaster wouldn't have happened in the first place.

Another big problem that never gets mentioned anywhere is government price control on the insurance industry. Without price controls, the insurance companies would charge rates based on scientifically calculated risk, so the cost to living in a risky area would be exactly proportional to the risk. Also, insurance companies would charge enough to have enough in reserve to handle such a disaster. Instead, they nickel and dime policyholders by not paying out legitimate claims.

All you hacks who say that New Orleans should be abandoned, do you have any clue how much it would cost to move such a city? You talk about $130 billion being alot, wait til you get the price tag for that! No, all that needs to happen is to get rid of the price controls. Then people will pay for the privilege of living there.

Common sense
Look here. We have a place that is below sea level, below the level of the Mississippi River, and below the level of Lake Ponchatrain. What a great location to build a city!
Oh, it just got really devastated by a hurricane and flooding, that everbody who lived there knew could happen. Let's spend billions of money confiscated from people all over the country to rebuild in the same location, which, by the way is slowly sinking still. What a great idea!
The port faciities and the oil refineries are needed, and if people want to live near these, then let them live in places that are at least at if not above sea level.
Refer to most famous quotation from Ebenezer Scrooge!

wbheff
Who's going to tell people where they can and can't live? You? Government? It doesn't make sense, and to suggest such a thing is pure hackery. The free market should determine where people live.

re: Darren
Darren wrote:

"... You can't just pull out the Constitution after the fact and say that people should have handled the disaster themselves..."

>>

Unless you can cite the Constitutional authority for the Federal government to lend a helping hand, I surely CAN pull out the Constitution after the fact and say that.

There is ~no~ Constitutional authority for the Federal government to provide disaster relief. That is a matter for individuals and local governments to handle.

See? I just said it. Two years after the fact, even.

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"... They have no money to do it because their people have been robbed by the federal government..."

>>

Entirely different topics (re: confiscatory taxes).

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"... which has promised to take control in such situations..."

>>

Irrelevant. Without Constitutional authority it is a usurpation of power and/or an empty promise...


Meh. I return to my original query.

Which clause of the Constitution establishes the responsibility and authority of the Federal government to "to do a little disaster management" as you asserted in your 11:10 post?

Regardless of what you wrote at 9:55, you made the assertion that the Federal government has a responsibility. Substantiate it. Show us where that responsibility is enumerated in the Constitution.

Liberty First
The Constitution does not provide for disaster assistance because it assumes that the responsibility lies with the states. Long ago the responsibility was unconstitutionally transferred to the federal government. When it assumes this responsibility, tax rates and disaster preparedness organization adjust accordingly. The states no longer have the infrastructure to deal with such situations.

Now, I agree with you that the responsibility should lie with the states and we should move in the direction of more state control; however, it is unrealistic to dump it on the states after the fact. Especially when the federal government caused the problem in the first place.

re: Darren
"... however, it is unrealistic to dump it on the states after the fact. Especially when the federal government caused the problem in the first place."

>>

No it's not. It's the States' responsibility. If they fail to meet that responsibility, then it is their responsibility to ~fix~ it.

Just like individuals. For instance, it is ~your~ responsibility for planning for your retirement, regardless of what the Feds say. And if you fail to meet that responsibility, then it is up to ~you~ to find the redress, ~not~ the Government, regardless of what the Fed says.

And if the Fed is out of control, then it is the responsibility of the States and the People to reign it in.

It does not matter whether or not the Fed has claimed the responsibility. If it is ~not~ enumerated in the Constitution, it is ~not~ the Feds' responsibility.

The States and the People need to take that into account and plan accordingly.

Darren
If the feds are pumping in 141 billion dollars it is no longer a free market. Forget the hurricane, if it was a free market there would be no flood insurance or any gov subsidy. I look at Myrtle Beach, SC. It used to be a small southern beach town of less than 10,000 people up until around 1965 when flood insurance was passed. After that population doubled, then quadroupled, and then exploded. They no longer call it Myrtle Beach now, they call it the "Greater Myrtle Beach Area" and it has a population of over 500,000 not counting the tourists. Without federal intervention, NONE of that would have happened. If a huricane goes through there tommorrow and destoys 10 billion dollars worth of hotels, condos, and luxury houses I am sure that they will be lined up looking for their federal handout also.

Hey, at least they aren't subgrade and depend on government constructed and subsidized levies to protect them. Levies that were built less than designed so that the local pols could get their cut.

Liberty First
So you're expecting voters to approve of paying twice for something? It's not going to happen. Regardless of how things are supposed to be, we all pay FEMA's operating costs and should rightly benefit from it should there be a disaster. Now, the way we move towards constitutional governance is not by refusing services we have already payed for; it is by promoting politicians who have records of supporting liberty and the Constitution. There is one running for president as we speak.

Vic
I couldn't agree more. That is why I advocate the removal of price controls on insurance. When government gets involved, it turns the people into fascists because everybody is now responsible for everybody else. However, that does not mean that the feds don't have the responsibility to address the problems that it has promised to address.

re: Darren
No. I expect the people to be self-reliant individuals.

If living in such an area is risky, then the individual is responsible to take the measures to adequately mitigate the risks and insure against them. Or live elsewhere.

I expect the voters and the States to accept ~their~ responsibility and quit abdicating it to the Federal government.

Liberty First
"I expect the people to be self-reliant individuals."

Agreed. That is why I reject the idea of government covering the uninsured.

"If living in such an area is risky, then the individual is responsible to take the measures to adequately mitigate the risks and insure against them. Or live elsewhere."

Again, agreed. That is why I reject the idea of price controls on insurance.

"I expect the voters and the States to accept ~their~ responsibility and quit abdicating it to the Federal government."

As long as the federal government takes responsibility for something, it is unrealistic to expect the states to duplicate that effort. To say this is to expect voters to approve of paying for something twice. Not going to happen. Only when the federal government abolishes these programs will you see the states picking up the slack.

re: Darren
"... Only when the federal government abolishes these programs will you see the states picking up the slack."

>>

There's the rub. That's not gonna happen until and unless individuals declare their independence from government, in mass, and ~force~ the Fed to butt the h3ll out.

I repeat, I expect the voters and the States to accept ~their~ responsibility and quit abdicating it to the Federal government.

I harbor no delusions. I am sure my expectation is unrealistic. After all, government dependence means less work and effort for dependents.

Where Is The Rest of The Money?
Has anyone checked Congressman Jefferson’s Freezer?

new orleans
none of this is a surprise as school bus nagen said this is chocolate city where corruption and incompetence rule.the only ones to come back to the city are welfare queens and criminals.

NOLA "the sinking city"
NOLA is sinking in more ways than one. The political scene in the entire state of La has been well documented for many years. Nuff said about that. Fast forward --apparently no one in the politocal arena there has enough brains to get out of the rain. The Mayor is a disgrace (wants a "chocolate city" -- the Governor when approached only a few hours after disaster struck --refused Federal Help -- while her "subjects" were rotting. To me, rebuilding NOLA is like "pounding sand in a rat hole"! I agree with one person -- declare the 9th ward "gone", build a park or whatever. I have had it up to you know where with the whining! According to a professor at LSU --the entire city was warned 35 years ago about the potential for this disaster. I agree --ALL taxpayers should not have to pay for personal decisions as to where you decide to live.

NOLA "the sinking city"
NOLA is sinking in more ways than one. The political scene in the entire state of La has been well documented for many years. Nuff said about that. Fast forward --apparently no one in the politocal arena there has enough brains to get out of the rain. The Mayor is a disgrace (wants a "chocolate city" -- the Governor when approached only a few hours after disaster struck --refused Federal Help -- while her "subjects" were rotting. To me, rebuilding NOLA is like "pounding sand in a rat hole"! I agree with one person -- declare the 9th ward "gone", build a park or whatever. I have had it up to you know where with the whining! According to a professor at LSU --the entire city was warned 35 years ago about the potential for this disaster. I agree --ALL taxpayers should not have to pay for personal decisions as to where you decide to live.


the great --- democratic? --- boondoggle
Hey larry -

So the Katrina/New Orleans fiasco has so far spent $127 billion, and you are rightfully exercised about that. Then you go into a rant about the Democrats.

HMMMM - let's see, now ---- what Party's FEMA was in charge throughout this imbroglio--- HMMMM --- Oh yeaas, I believe it was "you know who"!

So how come there's not any sanctimony directed toward those respopnsible? Only bland critical references, and in just the second sentence you try to infer the D's in complicity.

Then you rant against HC. Why no rant against the 15-visit compassionate conservative kahuna?

You partisans on both sides are Bush-league (oops, a pun) versions of the us-v-them thinking that causes most of our man-made problems - just for example, that includes the Aggies v the Longhorns, the Falwells v the abortionists, and the Shia v the Sunni.

But you're the one who's Right (oops), right?




In defense of non-partisanship,
Neither party is economically permissive. They all want to take your hard-earned money and use it for their own interests. They just have different ways of doing it.

I sit corrected
Kaffir -
(1) thanks for the precise example of my point in your response (2) I'm not a democrat - you typo'd the name ...... what? it wasn't a typo? ... oh, gosh, that's really clever - demoncrat - wow (3) I'm so uncool I don't know what "MSM" means (4) if it's kaffir with a capital K, why don't you spell it that way? you're just too subtle for me! (5) I may not be a fence-sitter, either

But you're Right!

oops again
sadforsam is also slik's new name

What do we get for all that money?
If the "Katrina Survivors" I've seen on tv recently are any indication, all we've gotten for the money we've spent is insults, and complaints that we're not spending enough to help these "poor people".

I am so sick of the nonstop whining coming from the "katrina evacuees" who are still on the government nipple instead of tryiong to do something to improve their own lots in life.

Now before you flame me for being un compassionate, let me tell you a little story.

In 1999 I was a well paid home builder, I was disabled in May of 99 when an idiot lost control of his car and crossed the center line sideways.

Suddenly I went from bread winner to invalid.
Our worthless insurance company took 5 months to even begin disability payments.

On november 29, 1999 our house burned to the ground.
Of course with zero income, we didn't have insurance. Now I was disabled, and my family was homeless. Did we sit on the side of the road and wait for FEMA to save us? No, te next day I was back at the hous pulling the burned copper wire out of the rubble, so I could sell it for scrap and buy christmas trees, which I sold in front of the burned out house.

We stayed with friends and family for 2 months, and I bought our curent home with $1000 down and a lot of creative financing. It's a dump, but it's our dump.

Oh, I'm still disabled, but instead of sitting around waiting for a Soc. sec. check I learned html and started my own online business.

Now if a slightly burned out ex-carpenter like me can do it, why is 1/2 of NOLA still on the govt. dole?

Sorry for the novel, I kept it as short as possible :op

TrueConservative, you are
completely right about government health care turning into the same type of mess as what has happened with Katrina funds being lost, stolen, misused, etc.

Interestingly enough, neighboring states suffered significant Katrina damage as well. WHY don't we hear those state populations whining and complaining like the New Orleans people? Could it be because they refuse to play the part of "victims who are entitled?"

Then Why FEMA?
If it is not the job of the Feds to aid after a natural disaster, then why have FEMA? The threat of large-scale nuclear annihilation is gone, and the TSA is keeping the little old ladies and small children from hijacking airplanes. So the only threat to our country is from natural disasters.

So, get rid of FEMA, and never again provide clean-up assistance after a natural disaster. No help in Kansas for tornado damage, no help in California for earthquake damage or forest fires, no help to the Gulf for hurricane damage, no help to the Pacific Northwest for flood damage, no help to the corn belt or the Southeast or the Southwest for crop failures, no help for the Midwest for river flooding, and so on ...

Just remember, YOU started it. You bunch give Compassionate Conservative a --very-- good name.

Jerks.
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