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Thursday, May 28, 2009
Larry Elder :: Townhall.com Columnist
Pelosi vs. CIA: Why It Matters
by Larry Elder
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says the CIA "misled" her about waterboarding.

What difference does it make, in the grand scheme of things, whether Pelosi is telling the truth? Maybe the CIA did; maybe the CIA did not. So what? Well, it makes a great deal of difference -- and not only because if true, the CIA didn't just "mislead" Pelosi but also committed a crime.

People like Pelosi, who once supported waterboarding -- just like the folks who once supported the war -- now attempt to rewrite history.

The country turned against former President George W. Bush and Republicans because of the war in Iraq. Yes, many Americans reversed their previous support of the war because of its unexpectedly high human and monetary costs. Yes, many turned against the war because, in its early stages, Iraq seemed on the verge of civil war. To many, the toppling of dictator Saddam Hussein backfired -- and made America less, not more, safe.

But what turned growing unease over the war into outright disdain for Bush? As to the case for war -- the assumption that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction -- many Americans feel flat-out lied to.

This brings us to waterboarding.

Like Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, waterboarding serves as a metaphor for the former President's alleged deceitfulness and villainy. Pelosi denounces waterboarding as torture, yet another outrage by the lying, scheming, manipulative Bush administration.

Pelosi, at first, said she knew absolutely nothing about the administration's use of this "enhanced interrogation technique." The CIA disputes this. But by her own admission, the agency told her that it was considering using waterboarding. Wasn't that enough for the speaker to have thundered her disapproval? What about a letter of protest to the Bush White House? What about moving to cut off funds to prevent the agency from employing a technique that she purportedly finds so offensive?

The CIA pushed back. The agency said that it informed Pelosi, who received briefings, that it not only intended to use waterboarding but, in fact, had used waterboarding. Former CIA Director Porter Goss said that the CIA provided accurate information to Pelosi. Goss further said that the only objection during the briefing was the concern as to whether the CIA was going far enough.

Current CIA Director Leon Panetta agreed with Goss. In a memo to CIA employees, Panetta said, "CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing 'the enhanced techniques that had been employed.'" Panetta also wrote: "Our task is to tell it like it is -- even if that's not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it."

Now, the retreat.

Before declaring in a news conference that she no longer wants to stress the matter, Pelosi praised the CIA. Pelosi said, "My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep our country safe." Does her respect extend to former CIA head George Tenet? Tenet served under former Presidents Clinton and Bush. As for believing Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, Tenet described the case as a "slam-dunk." Does she now "respect" that he made that assertion in good faith?

So, what does all of this tell us?

It tells us that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, most Americans -- including the Democratic leadership in Congress -- wanted to prevent another attack. Despite their newfound "outrage" over torture, people like Speaker Nancy Pelosi understood, accepted and even encouraged harsh interrogation techniques to prevent another attack.

As to the case for war, all 16 intelligence agencies concluded -- at the highest level of probability -- that Saddam Hussein possessed those stockpiles. Yet people like Sen. Ted Kennedy said things like "week after week after week, we were told lie after lie after lie." And many Americans -- especially those predisposed to believe the worst of the Bush administration -- completely bought it. "Bush lied, people died" became a refrain uttered endlessly by Bush haters.

But Bush didn't lie -- and the Democrats know it. Indeed, to extricate herself from Torture-gate, Pelosi now compliments the CIA, the very agency Bush relied on in making the case for war.

But public opinion turned against the war. Then waterboarding became "torture." And Bush became not simply a commander in chief who, in good faith, relied on near unanimous but faulty intelligence. He became, as then-Minority Leader Harry Reid said, "a loser" and "a liar."

Disgusting.

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Keep talking about it.
Thanks, Mr. Elder, for keeping this topic alive. I hope you and other commentators will continue.

Nancy Pelosi provided no evidencece to verify her allegations. Somehow, she thought she could say anything she wanted even if it was a big lie. Until Nancy Pelosi proves her allegations, we can only assume they were false.

As for GWB and the Iraq war, I recall Ted Kennedy starting off the "Bush lied" campaign. I beleive he was supporting John "Turncoat" Kerry at the time of the 2004 election.

History tells us that both parties voted for the Iraq war. It also tells us one party, the Democrats, shamefully reversed themselves and made up the excuse about being lied to. Our troops were already deployed and at war at the time. How disgusting of Ted Kennedy to do that!

Nancy Pelosi continues the "We were lied to" campaign, but people are finally catching on. Our national security is being undermined while Democrats play their games.



PELOSI IS A DISGRACE AT A HOUSE SPEAKER
She has overstepped the bounds of her office and I am ashamed that she represents our country as third in line for the office of President.

What she said about the CIA puts all foreign service agencies in a precarious situation. It is evident she cares more about her power than the safety of this country. A full investigation into what she knew and when she knew it should be made and she should be held accountable for her lies. This country does not benefit with leaders of her calibre.

Yup, A Bunch of Politicians Are...
...disgusting and worse. They voted for the war and allowed water-boarding to cover their tails, Hillary being the Chief Hypocrite. If we were to be attacked again, they didn't want to be seen as soft on terror.

And then, when we were not attacked and public opinion turned, they covered their behinds again by letting Bush hang out to dry.

They are despicable, lying cowards; it would be easy to hate them, but they are beyond contempt.

Yup!
Disgusting is what it is. Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, that hideous little dwarf Henry Waxman, are all disgusting. I really wish that I had never gotten hooked on politics. Democrats are disgusting. Unfortunately, so are Republicans.

George Bush allowed the Democrats to paint him as a liar. He had more than enough evidence to refute those charges. Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore and other leading Democrats are on video claiming that Sadaam had WMDs.

The fact that an incompetent liar like Pelosi is third in line to become president is truly terrifying. The American people deserve to have better liars in charge of the country.

VOTE THEM ALLLLLLLLL OUT ON THEIR ROYAL
xxxxx'S

This House and Senate are the final devolution of the massive corruption America is saddled with.

Obama is the direct result of perverted activity by our "representatives".

IF YOU CARE YOU WILL VOTE AGAINST ANYONE IN OFFICE TODAY. THE REPUBLICANS ARE A BUNCH OF NAMBY-PAMBYS WHO ARE AFRAID OF LOSING THIER POWER--THEY COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT WE, THE PEOPLE WANT.

ROWDY BOOTS

Some Republicans Are Alright!
The problem the good Republican Senators and Represenatives are having is getting their ideas out. We have a media that either does not report on what the GOP is doing, or they lie about it. There's that word again ("lie").

The other problem is that there are so few Republicans, they are not given a voice at all. In the House, Pelosi has taken away the rights of the GOP to even offer amendments on bills.

What we need right now is a divided government, where there is a Dem in the White House, we NEED / REQUIRE the opposite party in the Congress to stop this President's horrific ideas from coming to fruition.

When you vote in 2010, really study the issues and what the individual Senator or Congressman is saying and actually trying to do; then vote Republican.

Yes, keep writing about it
Pelosi and the dhimmi's were caught in damnable lies - the kind they have been getting away with steadily. Nothing is sacred, nothing is out of bounds, nothing is dishonorable when it comes to these people lying and backstabbing their way to power.

Pelosi was caught so red handed that she left the country in order to get the subject changed.

IMO, the subjects in question need not have even been brought up. But, having won an election, this pack of filthy, lying cowards were set to go on legal/criminal fishing expeditions against members of the previous administration and agencies.

Bush was warned that maybe he should render blanket amnesty for his administration before he left office. He declined thinking that such unprecedented despicable behavior was not possible.

He forgot he was dealing with bottom of the barrel scum...

K.G.
Re liberal fascists(I trust you can concur in the term): "They are despicable, lying cowards; it would be easy to hate them, but they are beyond contempt."

If nothing else, this bunch is certainly quick on their political feet. Having no principles, it's easy to see how in one decade they can be turning the hoses and dogs on blacks and them proclaiming their everlasting patronage the next; Fighting Nazism and selling us out to the Soviets at the same time; selling our defense technology to our enemies; publicly supporting the terrorist fight and then doing everything to lose it at the most critical moments. On and on.

An adversary the has principles, honor and decency is clearly at a disadvantage in dealing with such power monging scum.

Maybe that's what Powell was getting at: in order to beat the fascists, it's not their views so much as their tactics the republicans must adopt.

But I don't believe conservatives are capable or could ever succumb to their level...

Speaking of Guantanamo....
General Petraeus is now on record saying Guantanamo should be closed.

Also, Colin Powell says Guantanamo should be closed.

Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen says Guantanamo should be closed (he said Gitmo was "pretty damaging" to the image of the United States. "I'd like to see it shut down").


It seems as if the military is finally coming to a consensus.

Enhanced Techniques In Gitmo.
How did did we get to this point, where enhanced interrogation techniques employed on Gitmo Gut Abu Zubaydah is just an unscheduled bath with a doctor present?
Where did we go wrong? we were on the right track with the Koran Flushings, a surreal winning of hearts and minds if you will and then we faltered, now lawyers dictate how we interrogate enemy combatants, it's a sad day in our history.

Hey Will ...
are you Will W.?

Closing Gitmo
Does anyone realize that when Gitmo is finally closed those poor terrorist guys are going to high security prison in the US? Does anyone know that they will go from the luxury of Gitmo to being shut down 23 hours a day with one hour of sunshine. They cannot be put into the general population they would get creamed.

If I were a Gitmo terrorist I would like to stay where I am....

http://www.new-politico.org

Scary Thought
We are only two bullets away from a Pelosi presidency.

Glenn
"Does anyone realize that when Gitmo is finally closed those poor terrorist guys are going to high security prison in the US? Does anyone know that they will go from the luxury of Gitmo to being shut down 23 hours a day with one hour of sunshine. They cannot be put into the general population they would get creamed."

Comparatively speaking, super max or any max would be a distinct downer. Some of them have never seen snow let alone gone through a winter.

But I don't believe isolation is what the libs have in mind. They will do everything they can to pressure the system into releasing them to the general population (and I don't believe they would be 'creamed'). They want this slow burn time bomb to be built within the US prison system.

We've already seen the potential of jail house converts to emerge on a number of occasions. One major success is all it will take to ramp up the recruiting.

People *turned* against the war(s)
because of a relentless drumbeat of negativism from the press from before the invasions that they would
1) be repeats of Vietnam,
2) be a quagmire,
3) ruin our *friendships* with *friendly* (i.e., oil barons) ME nations and radicals like Hamas
4) it was *unilateral*,
5) the UN didn't *sanction* the action(s),

and then once started it became
1) Iraq and Afghanistan weren't meant for democracy,
2) we were oppressing (neo-colonializing) the ME,
3) no WMD's existed (tho' tons of sarin gas, multiple mobile bio-chem labs, and Saddam's own admission he was going to restart his nuclear program as soon as the inspectors were gone long enough),
which became *Bush lied, boys died.*

How should a nation reaction to years and years and years of lefty propaganda of such kind?

If the news was really interested in preserving this nation, it would run tape of 9/11 at least once a year on the anniversary, but that mantra has been *it's too hard on THE FAMILIES* and

they suppress our memories in order to override our natural desire for self defense in order to promote their idiot *one-world* version.

King Elect O is working on same by ordering Israel where it can build or not build. Israel should tell him to sit on it.

Bork Sotomayor

Will on military consensus:
These guys are politicians as well. Especially Powell. They've just wet their collective fingers and stuck them in the air.

will
Petraeus and Mullen work for Odumbo. Do you really think they would put their jobs in jeopardy and publicly speak out against their Commander-in-Chief's position (which a serving member of the military would not do anyway)? As for Powell, I agree with greg. He simply slurped his finger, stuck it in the air and went whichever way the wind was blowing. To say that this represents some kind of "consensus" is stretching things to the breaking point.

WMD
My question is not were there WMD's because we know there were, but where did they go?

The US was attacked.....
...in 1941 by Japan, we are continually reminded of this evil deed by all manner of historical video. The cost of life and resources was tremendous. It was made right by our country going after an enemy all out.

...in 2001 by the nation of Islam. We need to be reminded of this terrific event on our homeland soil. Innocent people, to many people, our countrymen died needlessly from a most evil act.

Just as in 1941, intellegence in 2001 knew this was coming. In 1941 an attack was brushed off by politicals, prior to 2001 it was made a crime for intellegence community to communicate with each other. Shared information was a crime, the Clinton political machine made it a crime to talk about possible disaster.

Everyone of these folks would sell the US out to keep their seat at the table. They have been found out in lie after lie, video of these snakes does not lie. If you lie to me once, you will lie to me again and again.

How can you posssibly allow this to continue.
Do you not understand, we are still vunerable to, as some news tells that there are people still trying to kill more US citizens.

Ane we have politicans telling lie after lie.
Has this become acceptable?

Pelosi Corruption
Why is this albatross in a position of power? As an American tax payer I do not want her having any jurisdiction in my life. There was a good reason why women were not permitted to vote until the 20's and 80 years later we are finding out why. Neurosis, lying and holding hands with other women certainly doesn't represent progress in the world or womanhood, does it?

renny , good list, Monty, good post!
Larry, very good article until you stated that the intelligence was faulty. It was not faulty, we simply gave Saddam more time to hide them than we should have. And as renny stated, we did find stockpiles of WMDs, they were sent to Canada, 500 metric tons, if my memory serves me. That is not "no WMDs existed" as the liars on the left would have you believe.

What are you more comforable with?
A. The most powerful person in Congress lying for personal gain, or; B. an entire agency that does what it wants in secrecy.

If given only two choices, A should be the easiest to correct. I believe the news media's
reluctance to dog the issue suggests to me, they know Pelosi is lying, she did it for personal reasons, and they can live with it.

But.....what if the CIA really does participate in undermining the truth, leading us into wars? Doesn't the press at least owe us some level of comfort they actually did and do their jobs to the best of their abilities? North Korea is looking mighty dangerous right now, and just exactly what does the phrase "intelligence sources" the news likes to use mean?

Unbelievable!!!
It is truly unbelievable to me how any intelligent person could believe that Pelosi, Reid, Schummer, Franks, Durbin et al are the best the dems can find to be the so called leadership of their party in congress. More unbelievable is that so many Americans sit still for this injustice.

Take a real close look at President Obama's cabinet appointments. Are they the best and brightest people to run our country? Unbelievable!

Is Soyomayor the best person for the Supreme Court? Unbelievable!

When are we going to wake up and demand better from our government? I guess when people start voting with their minds intead of their emotions.

Rich
Come on, get a grip. Saddam got rid of the wmd and all the Cheyne's torturing of people couldn't change things.

I notice Pelosi has shut up
Attacking the CIA made her face Leon Panetta, a Clintonista, if there ever was one. He cares less about the CIA than preserving the right of princess Hillary to get another shot at the presidency, so he can be sec. or state or chief today, whatever.

Pelosi has no cover--Kennedy is dying, the CIA has decided to fight back, and O sees no % in taking sides, as he let Pelosi write the *stimulus* and is dependent on submissive Dems. in the House to pass his socialist agenda.

Next to King elect O himself, Pelosi is the closest pol. to a commie the O has in Cong. (In private life, Pelosi is a greedy capitalist, owning hotels and vineyards, not employing union labor, and cadging free Air Force flights at our expense for her jaunts to places like Syria, where she kisses Muslim feet and dons a scarf to be multicultural).

Let the CIA release the rest of the memos and doc.'s that Cheney wants. Then let Pelosi and the hist. revisionists try to rant on.

Bork Sotomayer.

A "loser" and a "liar"
Based on how many times Pelosi changed her story and with the shut down on asking questions and getting out of town to escape the media. I would have to say Pelosi is a perfect example of a loser and a liar. Who gets out of town just to escape the truth if they are being truthful. Who shuts down the media if what they are saying is the truth. Who reads prepared text if their telling the truth. Who has to destroy the creditability of an organization who secures the safety of this country because of a faulty memory. If Pelosi didn't understand what enhancement meant, she should have asked for a private briefing so that the CIA could spell everything out for her. If Pelosi thinks water boarding is torture now, she thought it was torture then. Lame excuses and lies upon lies doesn't excuse her from taking action on her beliefs. Thats what she's there for. To speak up. What's making matters worst for Pelosi are the Democrats rushing to her side. It makes Pelosi look more like a loser and a liar.

Taft
Yep, "all the Cheyne's torturing of people"!

All three of them!

Do you by any chance live in LA? Are you the least bit thankful that your fellow Californians are alive today because a terrorist had water poured on his face?

I will agree with liberals on one point: I say close Gitmo!

Sent the prisoners back to their own countries. They will be welcomed back with such fun activities that they will long for the good old days in the Caribbean.

Open your eyes;
How much wider would Madame Speakers eyes open if she were to actually find herself in the President's seat? She might even choose Roland Burris as her VP. There was a crooked man, and now a crooked woman. We stumbled so badly in Iraq from the start.

Boo!
LOL: isn't the SCARIEST thing about Pelosi
is that she is next in line to be President,
if anything should happen to
Obama and Biden!


Newt is No. 1
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10/365

Liberal Fascists
are exactly the same thing as Hitler and Mussolini. They start out with good intentions and then their power corrupts them.

All people have lied at one time or another. What scares me is that we are now sustaining our government with people who lie as easily as they pee.

The only way to have a strong government is to have morally strong people running it. I am NOT talking here about empathetic people...just those who know what is right and what is wrong.

Pelosi is a liar....
...as if that were news. She's an America-hating fascist puke. They are ALL liars.

Idiocy
If Americans feel flat out lied to about WMD's, it is only because of the idiocy of the press. I believe we turned our backs on the war for a much more obvious reason -- once again we were not being allowed to win. Stupid invisible lines in the sand, and liberal wailers balking for every conceivable excuse, and a lack of backbone by both Bush and the rest of the Republicans, resulted in Iraq becoming a quagmire it never had to be.

As to Pelosi, no one outside her district likes her anyhow. No one really likes Obama, but in comparison to the heartless drive of the Republican party to give every conceivable resource to people who already own most everything there is in the first place, people did what polls consistently tell us they would -- they trusted Democrats more where the economy is concerned.

Republicans will always wail that their conservative policies are what cause the economy to bounce back when Democrats take office, and I will not be surprised if there is indeed a Republican landslide in another year and a half. The problem is, the minute Republicans gain power they become Democrats.

The minute Democrats gain power they become Godless Communists.

Monty and Taft
Google Georges Sada and read his accounts of the buildup to the Iraq War (the longest single telegraphed punch in history) and read his accounts of personally supervising the movement of the WMD's to Syria disguised as huminitarian aid after an earthquake.

The man supervised the loading and off loading. Remember the thwarted chemical attack on Jordan's Embassy Row? Canisters marked "Made in Iraq" containing 20 tons of poison gas.

Look it up.

Pelosi Vs. CIA
I would like to thank Larry Elder for a well written article. Describing the situation truthfully.

I'll bet the CIA has a whole new department whose only job is to deal with lying polititians.

In America since 1627

Will...Military Consensus!
You're basing a military consensus on those three?

You need to have your head examined.

Excellent, As Always, Sage!
Larry Elder always delivers sobriety to any conversation. Pelosi and her party practice obfuscation for power, even if it hurts America. Their power comes first, America comes second. They have no scruples.

hypocrites
Give Pres W credit. He never whined one time about how the press roasted him. He cared way more about doing what he believed was right for the country than what his public perception was. That is called being a LEADER. It took courage and strength to stand there and restart our country after an attack that none of us ever dreamed could be possible. I remember how scared I was every day that it could happen again, and i know that Liberal Bush haters were just as scared as I was. Anything that needed to be done to secure our country was ok by me. Now that those memories have subsided, and everyone is feeling safe again, it's very cowardly to look back and criticize the president for the actions that we took. If it ever happens again, the Libs will be right back under their desks begging someone to save them once again.

TORTURE?

As it concerns torture, I'm reminded of the old saying that goes, "All's fair in love and war."

As it concerns war, I'd say that if torture (waterboarding or other) extracts information that can be beneficial to our side, use it.

You can be sure of one thing; the other side will use any means necessary to get information from their prisoners and the methods they use is far worse than waterboarding.

As it concerns love, well, I'll not open that can of worms.

ShaneRoach
"The problem is, the minute Republicans gain power they become Democrats. The minute Democrats gain power they become Godless communists."

That IS a problem. We need Republicans with backbone who will respond to what Americans truly want, instead of cowering to Democrat talking points.

Wanted, for 2010: Republicans who will stand up to the nonsense spouted by the left, who will stop worrying about "political correctness", and who will proclaim the wisdom of the founding documents.

Weak-kneed Republicans need not apply.

America Did Not Torture Anyone!
Taft offers, "....all the Cheyne's torturing of people couldn't change things."

What on earth are you going on about?

Cheney never interrogated anyone that I know of. Nor did he ever authorize any torture. Even Pelosi knows that. As with anyone that uses obfuscation as a political tactic, her half truths will sooner or later meet with the empirical brick wall.

A form of waterboarding as praciced on our own troops was used to fool some stubbord captives into losing their grip of power over their interrogators was used. It worked. But, no torture.

As usual, Liberals use obfuscation and hysterical hyperbole as a matter of course.

Give her enough rope....
and she'll hang herself.

Pelosi spent the better part of 8 years calling George W. Bush a nitwit and a liar (or worse) and then wants us to believe that somehow she had been duped by him and his evil henchman.

That's like complianing about the used car salesman ad infinitum and then singing the blues when you buy a 'lemon' off of him.

As for Gitmo, I like best what Sec. of Defense Robert Gates had to say, "Gauntanmo Bay is the best place in the world to hold these detainees but it should be closed because of it's 'tainted' image.'

That's a pretty sweet statement considering he knows exactly who it was the painted the aweful picture of such a 'tainted' image.

It was people like Pelosi, Reid, Obama and the rest of the MSM who fell over themselves to get in front of a microphone in order to bad mouth Gitmo in any way they could.

Well I say let them undo the mess they made by utilizing one of their trademark methods....just give it another name and start talking really nice about it....kinda like what Pelosi's trying to do with the CIA.

I heard a good name for it last night...

"The Sunshine Center for Implementors of Man-Caused Disasters".

Once the messiah says it's OK his followers will act as if it's forever been the best place in the world for terrorists.

George Orwell would be proud.


Pat in AZ
You're right, the only way we can get a balance in government is to VOTE THEM ALL our, but vote Republican to get a balance in government.

We now have a Supreme Court that has only one swing vote away from Dems and at times he votes Dem.

Our Congress has gone WILD and have to have their face on TV at all times.

Join a Tea Bag Party and let's tell them we mean business.

Jan

Gitmo Is All About America's Best!
will offers, "General Petraeus is now on record saying Guantanamo should be closed."

That is a half truth, of course. General Petraeus, a known liar according public announcements by the now US Secretary of State and the NY Times, offered a caviat, if it can be done safely. So, do you now trust him or are you just being a Liberal obfuscator?

Guantanamo is being closed for what purpose? At what cost? It is a $200M, state of the art maximum security facility manned by the finest soldiers on earth. What's wrong with it other than bad publicity propagated for political gain by Obama & company?

Obama and Company lied about Gitmo for two years, now he has to close it to save face. On our dime! How much Obama pride can America afford?

Moving its detainees offers exhorbitant costs to the American people when we have no money for it, plus it puts terrorists on our soil. All of this just to give Obama a political gift? When does America come first over Obama? Buy the jerk a tie and quit spending our money like it grows on trees!

The Narcississy, Pelosio and Reed
all are made from the same rotten cloth. Tired of their lies and deception?

Then please take a look at the online American Grand Jury movement. You can do something legally about this mess. Empower yourself with the 4th branch of the government which was given to us, WE THE PEOPLE, in the 5th Amendment. No lawyers needed!!

http://www.americangrandjury.org/history_power.html

Read, believe, and act.

I believe that Sotomayor is a hedge against Obama having to show his true vault birth record and hidden papers. He's getting his SCOTUS ducks in a row. AGJ is the sound and the fury of the American People!! I'm depending on the patriots of TH to, at the very least, take a look at this site. There is a way out of this hell.

What kind of person would .....
...vote for Nancy Pelosi ???

...... in last election..?
...... in next election..?

It does matter...
...but investigating Pelosi and other leaders of Congress about torture should come quite a ways down the list.

The investigation needs to start at the top.

Reed, not Reid--on purpose
You know, like the One who is blowing in the wind!!

Reid now says that he thinks it's good to let the Chinese terrorists "who are guilty of nothing" be released on American soil. I guess because the Narcississy went to Las Vega and raised 2 million dollars for Reid, then he'll damn his own soul and damn the American people along with it. The Narcississy, Pelosio and Reid-- traitorous slime who keep showing us what they are.

Call write and act today unless you want the terrorists released and moving into your neighborhood. They do not belong here. Leave Gitmo open. No SuperMax, either. Bad idea!! Don't listen to anyone who is stirring the Kool-aid.

Quite supporting the left
Any loss of an American life is a tragedy and my heart goes out to those who have been left with out a loved one, father/mother, son/daughter.

That said, quite giving the Left the propaganda about the "high" cost of human life in this war! The US military has fought the most successful and efficient campaign in history. They loss less than 20 soldiers/marines in the initial invasion. The vast majority came after during the insurgency but still pales in relation to all other wars with the exception of the Revolutionary War. We lost over 4000 in that war and about the same in this one (Iraq/Afghanistan) if the initial 3000 civilians are not counted. Considering the populations in the late 1700s and today, the percentage of the population lost was drastically larger then. We lost 117,000 in WWI, 405,000 in WWII, 57,000 in Korea, 57,000 in Vietnam. The total of those who gave all is slightly over 1,000,000 brave men and women.
The military deserves a great deal of praise for conducting a major war that toppled a dictator and a quasi-dictatorial regime with minimal KIA. God bless our brave troops and may he protect them as they fight evil in this world.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

NICE WORK!!!
I just hope you noticed in your research for this article when Nancy put her Liberal foot down about this matter, the Main Stream Media shut up, stopped asking her questions about her lies, and even Bill O'Reilly of Fox News has not mentioned the matter since. Now that's what I call Power. I don't even know if Obama can do that. Thanks for your courage and your service to our country. Apparently you do not fear the Speaker like others in the press do. I believe your article about Nancy shows why nothing will change regardless of who we vote in or out.

NEW AGE OF LIGHT?
Arianna Huffington wrote on Thanksgiving Day that "the Dark Age of Bush and Cheney was over and a New Age of Light is now dawning." Where then is this New Age of Light? Barack Obama is now in his 127th day as President and his first day, marred though it was by his bothched oath of office and Ted Kennedy's brain seizure, was still his best day-which may very well stay that way until he leaves office. As for the darkness of the world during the Bush/Cheney Era we see it advancing not retreating, growing stronger not weaker threatening the world with new terrors of war, destruction and death. I don't know what others think but I see more light in the Age of Bush and Cheney than I see today.

Click my name and read the rest of this piece: Fear of Dick Cheney and its Meaning

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution
Has anyone recently read the Constitution? The 14th Amendment states that anyone who has sworn to protect the constitution and is found to give aid to the enemies of the nation is not allowed to hold office in Congress of Pres. or V.P. Now it seems to me Pelosi needs to be brought up in front of the Supreme Court.

Elder
"
Pelosi vs. CIA: Why It Matters"

It matters because it is one of the few talking
points that you still have left, along with
abortion.

Tammy
Really?

Simply inserting phrases you heard on TV (talking points) into sentences doesn't really form much of an argument.

The fact of the matter is Pelosi is lying through her dentures and everyone knows it. It is sad to watch her keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.

Hard Thought
Why isn't this common knowledge? I would also add to this the fact that leading democrats in the Congress sent a letter to then President Clinton urging him to take any action necessary, including militarily, to get Saddam out of power. WMD was a major reason mentioned.

How did that liar George Bush trick Pelosi and so many others 2 years before he even took the office of President? Our media is absolutely shameful. Everytime the left, especially poiticians, claims being lied to by Bush, a responsible press should ask them about 1998.

The Window
Kimberly says: "It is sad to watch her keep digging the hole deeper and deeper." when refering to Nancy Pelosi.

It's sad for everyone that is watching this instead of looking out your window. It reminds me of the WWII movie with Eddie Albert and Jack Palance. A group of soldiers holed up in a house in France. One soldier is told to keep an eye out the window. Debate rages inside the house about the insane condition of their officer. The window watcher soon gets involved. Failing to notice enemy tanks closing in on them in plain sight behind him through the window.

As we get caught up in Obama and Pelosi struggle over GM, and Green, and Taxes, other nations are preparing for War. Total war.

A War that will make Green concerns a subject for discussion only among the insane.

Thank God !
I have finally heard someone else say what I have thought and believed all along. The whole time Bush and his administration, along with the CIA, was being accused of lying about WMD.......I did not hear or read one single thing that indicated that. Poor intel, yes or maybe........that is yet to be known I think. And now this thing with the waterboarding......Nancy, Harry, & others have trying to look for any thing they could that they could fry Bush or discredit him and Cheney for 8 yrs. They still are and now what they have been trying to do to others is coming back on them. I only hope it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt who has been doing the lying.....though I think most of already know the answers to that.

Pelosie mantra of disbeleife
Larry:

Your observations must torment you as the reality of this administration does me. I know the blatant challenging of the average American’s intelligence by the Speaker thinking we will fall for this trick of mantra for two weeks until it goes away will work. The facts are the facts. I am not going to say she lied though I have before, nor am I going to say she is crooked though I have said that also, but I am going to say she has drifted into a psychopathic state of delusion believing that the CIA is out to get her, maybe they are, or the opposition is trying to trip her up. I can only say as Shakespeare would iterate, “uneasy is the head that wares the crown” In this adult world we do not always say what we know, but we do always know what we say in the end may be the end. Nancy Watch the step, it is a long way to the ground, while you are stepping down.

Thank God?
Sheron, what an Ironic term to use at this point in the post-history of men with faith. Yes we now only tend to thank God when used in terms of self appreciation.

The CIA now only thank God when they are not asked to produce Intel, and be subject to ridicule, and threatened with prosecution for doing so.

Our enemies now thank God that we in the west are now in such a state of oblivious self servitude and laugh as they sharpen their swords.

Yes. Thank God.




Bush Lied People Died?
Prior to the US entering Iraq, DebkaFile was posting information about Russian semis leaving Iraq and offloading materials in the Bek'ka Valley. This was posted where I could read it, so was available to the US media. Last August the AP reported 550 metric tons of Yellowcake was sold by the Iraqi gov't to Cameco in Canada.It was transported on 37 military flights and then by US flagged ships. According to Major General Jerry Curry President Bush was well aware of the 3500 barrels that had been located early on during US entry into Iraq. General Curry says that Pres. Bush took a principled and brave stand by keeping silent about the yellowcake until it had left Iraq, this was to protect out troops on the ground. I'm sure the mustard gas filled cylinders found by our troops in May of 2004 could also be termed WMD. There was little or no coverage of this by US media. The media are either incompetent or openly working against the American public learning the truth about anything they don't want us to know. Why else were so many of Obama's past connections in Chicago and with ACORN unmentioned by the press? Iraqi General Sada's information about WMD being flown to Syria should be general knowledge, it isn't. We are being fed a selective diet by the MSN and the Obamacrats and it stinks. The truth doesn't take sides, it is simply the truth. We are being denied the ability to make our own decisions by an elitist group of people who believe they have the right to with hold the truth because we are too stupid to handle it. Where is the outrage? And why is information being withheld from us?

Sky - AZ
As we get caught up in Obama and Pelosi struggle over GM, and Green, and Taxes, other nations are preparing for War. Total war.

A War that will make Green concerns a subject for discussion only among the insane.

===================

Sadly, or perhaps the better word is terrifyingly, I think you are right.
Meanwhile Pelosi in China is pushing green??

I also read (or heard) she said something about the right to humane working conditions?? Astounding -- guess long as child labor in the sweat shops are treated humane - all is well.

She's not just out of touch, she is dangerous.





sky_AZ: Hi. I was thinking of you and

your son just yesterday. How are things?


Kimbery
"The fact of the matter is Pelosi is lying through her dentures and everyone knows it. "

***
The fact of the matter is everyone does not
know it. Only Pelosi knows. And I tend to
believe Pelosi rather than the CIA. Especially
since I have heard at least two other people
one being Collin Powell say similar things to
her.

It's ONLY Politics
Both parties have the problem in putting party politics before any other concerns, including national ones. If it will make the other party look bad, then be against what they are doing. It doesn't matter what it is, just do it.

When 9/11 occurred, everyone in both parties was pushed to think beyond party politics. All were given the same information and all acted on it. BUT ... as time went on, party politics came to the forefront again. The Republicans were in favor of it, so the Democrats MUST be against it. Whether it was right or wrong didn't matter. So the Democrats, such as Pelousy, came out against it. And every time it was pointed out that they had been in favor, they had to come up with some lie to cover themselves: we didn't know, they didn't tell us, we were lied to, they didn't tell us everything, etc.

But now when Pelousy accuses the CIA of lying, they rubbed her nose in her own lie.

It is time to get rid of "party politics" and concentrate one what is good for our nation. If those involved cannot do this, it is time to get rid of them and get someone who can. Politics may be a fun game for those in Washington but for us who have to live with their decisions, right or wrong, it isn't funny any more.

TOP TEN Reasons NOT to Waterboard Pelosi
10. She can't read her talking points while being waterboarded.

9. She might reveal she has had plastic surgery.

8. Hillary Clinton will want a piece of Pelosi.

7. Experienced Interrogators might need therapy in the aftermath.

6. All the hot air emitted when she tells all might cause global warming.

5. Her face might fall off.

4. It just is not as much fun as waterboarding Barney Frank.

3. Perez Hilton has yet to qualify as a CIA interrogator.

2. Cindy Sheehan might inherit Pelosi's district.


And the number one arguement against waterboarding Nancy Pelosi:
It will do nothing to hide Michelle Obama's armpits.

Hard Thought: "... movement of the WMDs

to Syria..." EXACTLY RIGHT!

In 2003, at a dinner party at my daughter's house in No VA, I happened to say that "I" suspected Saddam's WMDs were buried in sand in Syria...

The room went awkwardly quiet, and two or three guys... who just happened to work for the CIA said..."Your mother is right..."


gramma
About ten days ago on C-Span John Kerry said the government should bail out the newspaper businesses. They would become public/government utilities. Then the government could make sure people had the right information to read. Doesn't that scare one?

Tammy: Exactly which version of Peelosi'

do you believe?

You do know Peelosi had Five [5] versions of her story... didn't you???

The CIA had only ONE [1] version, that was an actual record of the meeting.


You're not very bright, are you?



If she were a Republican...
If Pelosi were a Republican, her statements would have been repeated millions of times on every single TV news and commentary program, and she would have received enough pressure to step down by now. Unfortunately, Democrats can get away with just about anything. It's a said state for the main stream media.

Tammy - IL
Pelosi contradicted *herself*, she lied pure and simple.

Cookie
Georges Sada made a book tour of the US and even went on "The Daily Show" and stood by his assertions.

It was one of the most under reported, because it didn't fit the statist mantra, visitation by a foreign military dignitary that has ever happened.

It didn't fit "Bush lied, people died."

What is always amazing to me and shuts leftists like Tammy up was that they all called Bush stupid, yet he was able to run a world wide cabal that fooled every intelligence agency in Europe, Russia and the Americas plus all the Democrats.

If he was so stupid, yet pulled this off, what does that say about them?

Anne
Thank you.

LakeLady
I guess that would make them like Tass and Pravda in the old USSR. I think the MSN has decided the "progressives" are our royalty and they, the media, are our aristocracy and deserve to be fed at the public trough for being so loyal. The media has already sold out, the money would just make it official. Real journalists were once proud to search out the truth and let the chips fall as they may but they've sold their honor for a mess of potage without so much as a backward glance. Would money make it worse?

Dems Double Standards
Pelosi is ONLY about POWER/Control of the masses
She is not unlike Obama, etal. Pelosi on first
becomming Speaker(2yrsago)said there w/be a new
transparency?Really? There is ONLY blatent acts
of power mongering, rushing thru their own plans
-not even giving 5days for the public to read it, NOT EVEN letting the Congress have time to read these bills-it is a SHAM.

Pelosi is a LIAR and she got called out by the CIA. She changed her story 5 times, as the did not expect to be challenged on it. When she wanted to "rub Bush's nose in it even more than she usually does" it BACKFIRED. She, like Obama
left town when the heat was on, thinking that it will "all quiet down" and go away. It Should NOT, as she made these charges of the CIA
and NOW, should be made to answer her lies. She
is NOT to be trusted as 3rd in line, and the Dems cannot hide her and SHOULD NOT.

On her last Press Conf.before she got out of town, Dems stood by showing solidarity & would NOT let her be asked questions about her lying.
She now, wanted to "call an end to the fiasco"
she caused, because she HATES BUSH SO, AND CAN'T
LET IT GO AS SHE WANTED TO FURTHER HER OWN POWER
.

The GOP needs to DEMAND that she answer for her charges, and Cheney is right to ask that the papers showing results of enhanced interrogation
be exposed-just as Obama did the memos/photos.

If this had been a Republican, you KNOW, the Dems would have been outraged, demanding that they step down. SAME GOES FOR PELOSI-SHE NEEDS
TO GO. NO MORE DOUBLE STANDARDS FOR DEMS.

SHE IS A LIAR, POWER MONGER & UNTRUSTWORTHY AND
SHOULD BE MADE TO LEAVE OFFICE-THE SAME THING SHE DEMANDS OF GOP MEMBERS.

DEMS' DOUBLE STANDARDS...
Pelosi is ONLY about POWER/Control of the masses
She is not unlike Obama, etal. Pelosi on first
becomming Speaker(2yrsago)said there w/be a new
transparency?Really? There is ONLY blatent acts
of power mongering, rushing thru their own plans
-not even giving 5days for the public to read it, NOT EVEN letting the Congress have time to read these bills-it is a SHAM.

Pelosi is a LIAR and she got called out by the CIA. She changed her story 5 times, as the did not expect to be challenged on it. When she wanted to "rub Bush's nose in it even more than she usually does" it BACKFIRED. She, like Obama
left town when the heat was on, thinking that it will "all quiet down" and go away. It Should NOT, as she made these charges of the CIA
and NOW, should be made to answer her lies. She
is NOT to be trusted as 3rd in line, and the Dems cannot hide her and SHOULD NOT.

On her last Press Conf.before she got out of town, Dems stood by showing solidarity & would NOT let her be asked questions about her lying.
She now, wanted to "call an end to the fiasco"
she caused, because she HATES BUSH SO, AND CAN'T
LET IT GO AS SHE WANTED TO FURTHER HER OWN POWER
.

The GOP needs to DEMAND that she answer for her charges, and Cheney is right to ask that the papers showing results of enhanced interrogation
be exposed-just as Obama did the memos/photos.

If this had been a Republican, you KNOW, the Dems would have been outraged, demanding that they step down. SAME GOES FOR PELOSI-SHE NEEDS
TO GO. NO MORE DOUBLE STANDARDS FOR DEMS.

SHE IS A LIAR, POWER MONGER & UNTRUSTWORTHY AND
SHOULD BE MADE TO LEAVE OFFICE-THE SAME THING SHE DEMANDS OF GOP MEMBERS.

When North Korea nukes...
...hit San Francisco, then maybe Pelosi will realize that Bush was right...if she isn't incinerated at 5,000 degrees at ground zero.

Cookie it's common knowledge that
the PNAC wrote a letter to Clinton in 1998 urging him to remove Saddam.

http://www.iraqwatch.org/perspectives/rumsfeld-openletter.h tm

All the signatories are neocons, like Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and William Kristol of the Weekly Standard.

If you're unaware of this common knowledge, then you have been reading nothing but misinformaiton for years.

The PNAC had major influence to bring war to Iraq in 2003, as most of its members were in the Bush administration or part of a think tank he used.

To blame Clinton and Democrats for wanting a war with Iraq in 1998 is ludicrous.

Here is the specific act that Clinton signed to remove Saddam.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h105-4655&tab =summary

When you read the bill and sponsor
you see it's introduced and sponsored by a Republican. It had a majority vote from both parties.

Why?

Because Saddam was a despot and everyone knew it. What was the bill to do?

It called for MULTILATERAL response from nations, UN involvement, sanctions and direct support to any Iraqi organized group willing to go against Saddam. The Iraqi group had to prove it desired democracy.

So, where is it in all this that war is mentioned? Where in all this is unilateral start to the war mentioned? Where is it mentioned that a small number of old white men with deep roots in the neocon movement have so much power to push America into a war with Iraq?

Got any truth for any of this fact?

Nancy in China...
Did anyone else catch what Ms. Nancy said at Tsinghua Univ. in Bejing, China yesterday concerning global warming?
And I quote: "Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory...of how we are taking responsibility". (I heard the actual sound bite.) Is this Big Brother or what???!!!
China already does this to its' citizens, now she thinks we should also?
If I may make a suggestion, how about Ms. Pelosi and her comrades be the first to "volunteer to be inventoried". Perhaps the CIA could conduct the "inventory".

Facts, why they matter!
Because too many of you at Townhall.com jump on a whim or whiff of a Democrat who might be covering their butt.

If Pelosi actually knew about waterboarding they way the CIA of that time tell it [Goss] then she's being an idiot. We do not have all the facts yet. So, yuh just can't hold on and see what truth the facts play out can yuh?

Look how Dems helped Bush. We supported his lies to go to war with Saddam, as we were told a pack of lies. We had no facts to oppose him at the time. So the strawman bull to say we were for it and only now are against it has no merit.

You cannot state to a law maker a bunch of lies to make them support an Executive Power Grab and then expect an accomplice later [when they find out you lied].

yuh'all having trouble with exact facts
and logic supported by those exact facts?

Too many of you don't have a clue.

To Larry Elder's article
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYov5o5_2s

Listen to this former interrogator speak and you will know that Cheney has lied.

Of course you have to actually listen and not just respond to me with your knee-jerk bull.

Listen for once!

Diane, what a horrible thing to say!
Diane, your post on May 28, 2009 - 8:42 AM EST

You said:

"Pelosi Corruption
Why is this albatross in a position of power? As an American tax payer I do not want her having any jurisdiction in my life. There was a good reason why women were not permitted to vote until the 20's and 80 years later we are finding out why. Neurosis, lying and holding hands with other women certainly doesn't represent progress in the world or womanhood, does it?"

I find it hard to accept such a comment from anyone, but especially a woman. Pelosi is not neurotic because she's female. She's neurotic because she is addicted to power. Case in point: Barney Frank.

What we need is not fewer women in government, but fewer "so-called" feminists. The real feminist movement is starting...those of us who believe in our fathers, our sons, our mothers, our daughters,and our communities. Not bra-burning and abortion.

Rick
Exactly what is a neocon?
Since we don't have all of the facts yet, which of Nancy Pelosi's 5 versions should we fact check?
Why should we accept this former interrogator above the words of Leon Panetta, George Tenet, Porter Goss, etc?
You mention an executive power grab do you mean the Obama take over of the banks, GM, Chrysler, his demands to take over our health care system, his decision to bow before the Saudi king, his denial of Americans to drill for the 885.9 billion barrels of crude and oil shale the US dept of the Interior says are off the continental shelf and in the Green River formation in the west, do you mean Obama projecting that our utility charges will rise "astronomically" due to cap and trade and other methods he has chosen to bankrupt this country and it's people or perhaps you meant Obama's breaking of his promise to post all bills for 5 days for the citizenry to peruse before he signs them? After a quick re-read of the Constitution doesn't it look like Obama is going beyond an Executive Power Grab? Have you studied the Weimar Republic in the early 1930s? Waterboarding is a walk in the park compared to Obama, his power grab makes Cheney look like he is on a Sunday School Picnic.

Sure Gramma, sure.
You're belief in talking points goes a long way for you.

I'm not just going after the Pelosi issue here. I'm going after Cheney's lies too.

So, I'm a two-fer.


Gotta run, my son wants to go on PBS kids.


Level a lawsuit against her !!!!
If her statement was true she not only fail in her constitutional duties she became an accessory to the crimes she is railing against.

I am hoping for someone in her district to file suit against her for failing to provide responsible representation and malfeses while in office.

Filing suits have long sense been a favorite of the left the right needs to beat them at their own game. Period.

Drama Queens
Mirror, mirror on the wall who’s the craziest drama queen of them all?

Pelosi, Frank, or Kim Dong eel?

Rick
Don't know the talking points, but I read. Don't even have a television. When you stop hiding behind your little one I'd appreciate some answers. You know, a little substance to prove that you aren't all mouth.

Any Idiot Can Re-Write History
Rick offers as to Cheney's claim that aggressive interrogations worked, "Listen to this former interrogator speak and you will know that Cheney has lied."

This is just another back-bencher trying to argue an unknown. This guy was not part of the interrogations. He offers that he could have done it better, had it been him. Of course.

Put your empirical brain in gear. We spend billions of dollars on the best equipment and milititary that money can buy. Yet, when America is at risk, do you really think that we use "B" team interrogators?

Our interrogators exercised every method in the book. The methods did not work. So, they improvised and used waterboarding as practiced on our own troops. Since these captives were not trained by us, they were shocked into fear by these methods. It shook them out of their confidence. It worked. No torture. No harm. And, we got actionable information. Good for us.

Of course, now that Obama has exposed our trickery to the world, everyone now knows that our bark has no teeth. What an incompetent boob!

At least Bush was willing to be falsely accused for "torture" rather than expose America as a trickster. For Bush, America comes first. For Obama, politics of vengence comes first over America's safety. Cheney needs to continue beating that drum.

If Obama Says It - Rick Beleives It!
Rick offers, "Look how Dems helped Bush. We supported his lies to go to war with Saddam, as we were told a pack of lies."

What on earth are you talking about?

You sound like the OJ jury, "Bush Lied, People Died", "If The Glove Don't Fit, You Must Aquit". What? Because it rhymes, it must be true. Grow up!

I can say with confidence ....
that were I CIA or FBI and someone within the coven were turning in pictures of my mates and endangering their lives and the lives of their families; their treachery would be rewarded.
Not boisterous overtones ... just a simple sense of honor. We do remember honor and duty, don't we?
I have to wonder about the femanization of the nation when cops and others turn the key on one another.

Anti-Federalist
...never seen a better case for it. This is just one reason I hate big unaccountable federal government.

And you should too.

Rick
How is a coalition of forty plus nations "unilateral"?

How were 17 UN resolutions calling for the use of force against Iraq not "enough"?

Why do you tolerate the breaking of international law, such as Iraq's breaking the cease fire after the 1991 conflict, yet demand the US follow international law?

In other words, why are so many democrats and liberals two-faced liars?

The Democrats Lame Old Same
As I remember it, the news was full of reports on the fact that the U.S. was thinking of, planning to, go into Iraq for 15 months prior to our actual deployment. Does anyone think that for 15 months our news media was kept secret from Hussein? Does anyone think that for 15 months Hussein did nothing about moving these weapons?

What ever happened to those trailer trucks that were seen leaving Iraq in the middle of the night? That report was in the news for a fleeting moment. Was it cash or weapons?

And there was a fleeting moment when the troops were accused of having over-looked a stock pile of weapons. And just what weapons are not weapons of mass destruction?
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