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Thursday, May 21, 2009
Larry Elder :: Townhall.com Columnist
President Obama: Neo-Marxist
by Larry Elder
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The topic: "The Future of Capitalism."

Time magazine, to discuss this, assembled a "stellar cast." One such "honoree" works as a Public Broadcasting Service/National Public Radio host. The tax dollars produced by the capitalism he criticizes help pay his salary. (The irony was apparently lost.) At least other "business roundtable" panelists -- commentator/publisher/author Arianna Huffington and singer John Legend -- make their money the old-fashioned way, by enticing consumers to buy what they sell.

"I don't think that left to its own devices," the taxpayer-supported broadcaster/pundit said, "capitalism moves along smoothly and everyone gets treated fairly in the process. Capitalism is like a child: If you want the child to grow up free and productive, somebody's got to look over the shoulder of that child." Good grief.

Every dollar spent by government is one less dollar spent by taxpayers. Money comes from somewhere -- taxes, borrowing (taxes on layaway) or printing, which, if not offset by productivity, causes inflation, a stealth tax on everyone. Who can spend, save or invest more efficiently and humanely, you or some tenured bureaucrat in D.C. who's never run so much as a hot dog stand or lent himself out as a United Way volunteer?

Private enterprise is the most proficient job- and wealth-creating "system" ever designed. But many, if not most, Americans think only government can and should build and run "infrastructure" and that government "investment" creates jobs of which the private sector is incapable of creating. Really?

People point to President Dwight D. Eisenhower's construction of the interstate highway system. It is, they say, an example of both an appropriate and productive federal government expenditure and an obviously legal role of the federal government necessary to spark economic growth.

In the early 1900s, a businessman, Carl Fisher, owned the Prest-O-Lite headlight company. He organized an association to finance coast-to-coast paved roads so that motorists could drive both day and night, ideally using his headlights. The association soon disbanded, when Congress passed the Federal Road Aid Act of 1916. What would have happened had government not built an interstate highway system? A consortium of truckers/gas stations/hotels/motels/roadside restaurants would likely have built one with their own money in order to make more money. They would have charged tolls for maintenance. Motorists actually using the roads would bear their costs.

Private business built the first leg of the New York subway system. And it made money -- at least before local government used taxpayer money to build competing systems and undercut the fare charged by the private operator. Tax dollars hid the true cost, allowing the city-owned service to charge less. Ultimately, the private operators sold out to the city.

Did Eisenhower have the constitutional authority to build the interstate highway system? Yes, but not to improve economic development -- and he knew it. In fact, the official name of the interstate highways is the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways. Ike argued that the country needed paved highways to move missiles around to protect the country. From a military standpoint, the argument was dubious. Missiles could be launched from fixed positions, as technology continually increased range, speed, accuracy and power.

The Founding Fathers identified a handful of allowable federal duties, not least of which is national security. But what about economic development? President James Monroe cast his only veto when Congress appropriated money to expand the Cumberland Road -- even though the road went through and would have helped his home state of Virginia. The Constitution, said Monroe, prohibits spending money for this purpose.

Rather than expanding "entitlements," they must be dealt with -- and eventually ended. What about selling land (the fed is by far the largest landholder) and using the proceeds to pay for current and near-term obligations to Social Security and Medicare -- with a view toward complete eventual privatization? What about private charity instead of Medicaid? What about a free market approach to making health care more accessible and affordable? This means IRA-type accounts; cutting health care insurance regulation; allowing nonlicensed practitioners to perform tasks now done only by government-licensed doctors and other medical practitioners -- which shuts out competition and keeps prices high; allowing health care plans to be purchased out of state; allowing individuals to deduct their health care premiums as businesses do now; and adopting an English-style "loser-pays" legal system, which would likely minimize the incentive for doctors to practice expensive "defensive" medicine.

Even if all of this makes sense, the toothpaste is out of the tube, right? So let's just try to stop things from getting worse. Unraveling the welfare state can be done. Indiana, for example, just leased one of its highways to a private consortium that charges tolls for maintenance and profit.

Obama's anti-capitalist, Big Government, command-and-control economic vision exceeds mere "childishness." It is dangerous. After 100-plus days, the jury reached its verdict.

Obama is a neo-Marxist.

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mr elder
why didn't you identify the brilliant tavis smiley as the person who likened capitalism to a child that needs the gov't looking over it's shoulder to do the right things.

Having listened to smiley a few times he strikes me more as another black stuck in the victim mode who remains impressed with the messiah because he can read a sentence from his teleprompter.

Nit that the messiah can understands what he reads but that he can read it without mispronouncing words or adding excpletives

Surprise! The 2 systems co-exist
Of course, if you really wanted to educate people (I know, more guffaws) you'd pick up on the truth that social democracy is a tried and true way to preserve capitalism, by smoothing the rough edges of an economic system which is totally interested in profits and utterly amoral regarding the human condition.


Dishonest and hateful
Right, Obama's a neo-marxist.

This is so incredibly silly. I know the republicans excel at name-calling, but this is just ridiculous. Has Obama nationalized the means of production? Has Obama nationalized anything? Has Obama raised taxes any higher than they were under Clinton? Has Obama raised taxes more than 3% on the rich (making over $250K/year). Has Obama socialized medicine? Is he trying to socialize medicine? Is Obama pushing for a single-payer system? Has Obama severed the links between the financial industry and the economy? Has Obama exerted strong regulations over business?

NO - It seems that the republicans are so intellectually bankrupt, so desperate, and so dishonest that they will say anything. All they can do is make up lies, smear democrats, and fire up their hatred.


Five (5) Stars! Excellent!

The 3 basic tenets of communism as
defined in the communist manifesto are.
1. A very progressive tax system.
Obama wants to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire and then add even more, up to a trillion and he also wants another 850 billion to give to the UN.

2. The abolishment of personal property. The 5 lefties on the SC have already come down on that side with the Kelo decision to take our homes and give them to someone who will build something that increases the TAX base.

3. Abolish all inheritances.
Obama's financial guy said about his 45% death tax, "it's so families cannot amass wealth to leave to their kids".

If the Bush tax cuts expire, the death tax which is now zero will go to 55% in 2010, obama wants 45% but doesn't say if that is a tax CUT in his eyes or will it be on top of the 55% making it 100% of our money going to the gov't when we croak. I suspect the latter.

Anyway you cut it, it is communism 101 learned from his mentor Frank the communist in Hawaii and Ayres who says he is a communist, we don't need a commie like this in the WH with a veto proof congress, it will be the death of this country.

We're at the threshold...

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

~ Norman Thomas, leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

Socialism or Communism?
A quote, submitted above by Anne from Pennsylvania, should be repeated over and over because “We, the People” have collectively become ignorant of a self-evident truth:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

~ Norman Thomas, leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

I had a “privilege” to grow up and live in a country where it all also started with a proclaimed goal to correct some real or perceived injustices. Soon, the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia absorbed the so-called “social democrats” under the flag of “unification” of all “progressive” (leftist/liberal) forces. This unification was followed by the infamous putsch of February 1948. The Communists took over the government. Soon after that, in the name of the people, a censorship was sanctioned and people who did not make the “loyalty” tests started filling jails. The borders were sealed not because of danger from outside but in order to keep citizens in. Czechoslovakia, the most democratic state in Europe before the World War II has become one large Gulag, a conglomerate of numerous smaller sized gulags. Czechoslovakia, as Norman Thomas predicts for America, has become “a Socialist nation, (almost) without knowing how it had happened.” What bothers me most is that we, Americans, historically do not want to associate the word “Socialism” and Marx’s name with Communism, with the Soviet Union or present Cuba. Even for many thoughtful commentators, the “Socialism” is sufficiently dirty word. As if Marx and Engels did not write “The COMMUNIST Manifesto” as a final destination.

dr. dumbshittehead
the old socialist fool always shows up, posts his idiocy and then runs and hide like the little girl he is.

He and the moron royinolso are both so deeply in love with socialism and hoping their messiah turn america into the the socialist nirvana of their dreams

Funny how these losers can';t see anything wrong with the messiah but can always see som ething wrong with america and americans.

Clowns like you 2 have lived so long in your fantasy world that you can't understand amything about this country or it's people.

But you are the type of would have no objection to the messiah and his plans to have his pwn personal internal security force which like nazi germany would be used against the citizenry to place obamarxist as the permanent dictator he is attempting to be.

This idea that the messiah thinks he can make up the rules as he goes along and can reshape america to his marxist vision is cheered on by out of touch with reality fools like you.

But what happens when armed rebellion begins to put an end to the messiah and the fools he surrounds himself and their plans to destroy america.

But the trouble will be started by the losers and parasites you 2 claim to love and the messiah claims to speak for. When the handouts end and the hyper inflation makes money worthless you 2 will be crying for protection from the masses and the messiah will use the law to destroy the great unwashed, the hypcrisy of your worthless lives will become apparent to those who haven't already turned from the clueless clown and wannabee dictator residing in the white house


Royinoslo delusional
R says "social democracy is a tried and true way to preserve capitalism, by smoothing the rough edges of an economic system which is totally interested in profits and utterly amoral regarding the human condition." You mean like the national socialists in Germany "smoothed over" 13 million people?

Don't bother claiming communism, socialism, "social democracy," fascism, etc, are different. Aside from minor rhetorical differences, they are but stages of the same movement toward coercive totalitarianism and away from individual rights. The concentration of power inevitably corrupts those who have seized the levers of power and encourages a sort of perverse Darwinism - but instead of survival of the fittest, you get domination by the most ruthless.

Unlike coercive socialism, a free market is based on mutual benefit. It's entirely voluntary - if you don't think you're better off, you don't make the deal. There's no dictator.

Thanks Larry
You're the best Larry!

Thanks for saying this for all of us who can't - without being called "racists."

BTW my wife grew up under communism in Eastern Europe. Her comment about all this is, "We've seen this movie before."

There is no doubt
that Obama is a Marxist Socialist. The Dems are Dems no more.

The Republicans are now liberal Dems and the Dems are now Marxist Socialists. Crazy world we live in today.

JFK would be rolling over in his grave if he knew just how far we have come.

Welcome to the new North American Banana Republic!

Dr Douglas, heal thyself
DD is upset because he thinks "Republicans excel at name-calling" – just before he calls them "intellectually bankrupt, so desperate, and so dishonest that they will say anything. All they can do is make up lies, smear democrats, and fire up their hatred."

As usual, no rebuttal is necessary since DD's post again rebuts itself. His rhetorical questions (e.g., is Obama trying to socialize medicine) blow up in his face since the answer to all of them is "YES."

Note also his definition of "the rich" to include a family of 8 making over $250K/year. DD fails to understand the difference between wealth and income. Ted Kennedy's millions in trust in Fiji aren't being confiscated at 30% annually – only his relatively meager Senate salary. Ditto for Kerry, Pelosi, Corzine, etc.

Obama's lifestyle (with his private jets, pastry chefs, limousines and Rezko graft ) could hardly be described as monastic. The left always feels a great debt to humanity, and always proposes to pay it with someone else's money. It's no coincidence that so many Obama appointees are certified tax cheats, including, incredibly, the head of the Treasury.

Dear Dr D
Where have you been for the past 100 plus days? Has not the Obama administration pushed billions into the auto instructy, then fired the CEO of one? Has he not spent billions of our tax dollars on banks and finicial companies who are in the business of leanding money to individual to start their own business? He is not pushing through congress a reformed health care package to cover every single individual in the US being paid for by tax payers? Is he now trying to cause every household (no matter how much money you make or are given) pay for higher engrey bills with this cap-n-trade bill before congress now? How about appointing individual's who have broken the very laws that they are to enforce...not paying their share of taxes.

The answer to each of these is YES!!!! This makes him nothing more than a socialist in any book except yours and the Dems.

Larry Elder's Vision of America
Wikipedia: Larry Elder supports abortion rights and wants all drugs to be legalized. Look it up.

This article is such a hodge-podge that Elder appears to have written it while running for a train. Let's just hit a few points:

1) Elder wants medical procedures taken out of the hands of "government-licensed doctors" and put in the hands of "non-licensed practioners". Fine. When Elder arranges to have his child's heart surgery done by a "non-licensed practioner", he should let us know. This is the single stupidest and most dangerous suggestion I have ever seen on townhall, where it has competition.

2) Elder wants the government to sell all its land. Actually, it already has sold most of it. After the Revolution the Federal Government bought or received by treaty ALL the land which it then sold to private parties via Land Offices. Genealogists trace federal land distributions on a daily basis. The lands it kept are used for the common good (Grand Canyon, Cape Cod National Seashore, Indian reservations) except of course for those it has donated and sweethearted to, say, the great railroad barons of the 19th Century who did NOT, BTW, get rich from their own private initiative.

3) Regarding "Obama's lifestyle of private jets, pastry chefs, and limousines", I do not recall reading a similar complaint from Elder when Bush was President: is it only an African-American President Elder wants to live in the projects and take the bus?

4) Private charity can replace Medicaid? No, it can't. People will pay out-of-pocket for medical procedures if they are given a tax deduction? No, they won't.

Let us all look forward to the day when Yellowstone National Park will be a logging camp and when a woman's abortion is performed at the gas station by Joe the Plumber who is high on legal marijuana. God bless America. If Elder is calling the shots, we will definitely need the Lord's blessing.

One more liar speaking?
Obama is now sitting in the very same Oval Office, that truly sent America to the very brink of hell, and yet, here this fellow Elder, does nothing but telling lies to the readers.

Socialism/Communism and Imperialism is no less, but actually more so the darling of the Conservatives! Proven by not getting behind Ron Paul, whose words were in full respect of the Founding Fathers.

As a legal immigrant myself of 53+ years I almost immediately saw the above evils ensharing America, while most born Americans did not know the defference, as a started to share my fears.

Even old Kruschev saw that reality developing, when in the 60's at the UN while pounding his shoe on his desk said: "America will accept communism without knowing it". Of course it became a laughing think in the US.

Yes, George W. and his cronies and in full support of Conservatives handed Obama nothing but the worst vomit ever, in a figure of speech. You here me Sir Elder? I voted for Ron Paul, for your information!


Imagine a World

Imagine a World, where an 'Individual' can own private property that will NOT be taken from them.

Imagine a World, where an 'Individual' can work to provide for their own family and NOT have the results of their hard work and 'Good' decisions, stolen from them and given to those who refuse to do the same.

Imagine a World, where Individuals are NOT 'Punished' for working hard and those who refuse to 'Work Hard' are rewarded.

Imagine a World, where everyone has equal 'Rights and Protections' under the U. S. Constitution and Bill of Rights - instead of 'Special Rights' and 'Protections' for some, but NOT others.

Imagine a World, where a man and a woman can join together as 'One' and fulfill the design of the Creator to procreate, without being attacked, vilified and declared abnormal.

Imagine a World, where children are taught in Schools skills that will help them 'Survive' in a hostile world, instead of learning how to place a 'Condom on a Zucchni'.

Imagine a World, where an Individual is 'Judged by their Character', instead of being heralded for their 'Lack of Character'.

Imagine a World, where defenseless little babies who have survived an abortion and are separated from their"mothers" and struggling to live, are given aid instead of being set aside to die of thirst or starvation in excruciating pain alone and crying in terror - because the most powerful man in the World - Barack Obama - believes that when a woman 'Contracts' for a dead baby - they deserve a dead baby.

lilly, lilly, lilly. Pa-lease...

Wikipedia?

How many times do we have to tell you that you can't believe anything you read on Wikipedia?

How many times do we have to tell you about that "EDIT" button... anyone can edit Wikipedia...

To Dr Douglas
Ah, you are hard on these good folks at townhall. Seems to me they just imagine a future that is a reductio ad absurdam of anything that has actually been done, said, or suggested, then immediately leap to regarding their bizarre fantasy as present reality; spice this up with a little paranoid ideation and bunker mentality. As these examples demonstrate:

1) (Kindergarten teacher says to class "It's cold out so before we go on the playground we will all put on our coats".) This is translated by Conservatives to "Public school teacher indoctrinates five year-olds to Communist all-for one thinking!".

2) (Bush passes law allowing janitor at CVS drug store to halt sale of contraceptives at any CVS store if he is offended by condoms---Obama reverses law.) This is translated by Conservatives to "Obama forces doctors at gunpoint to perform abortions against their conscience!".

3) (Obama wants to restore the ban on assault weapons in private ownership.) This is translated by Conservatives to "Quick! Obama the Black Tyrant is sending the Fascist Black Militant Thug Corps to confiscate your hunting rifles and home-defense handguns! Run right out and buy extra guns and ammo and bury them in the back yard so you'll be ready when we form our racially-pure white militia to shoot up this black government!".




lilly
your president is a marxist. Just admit it. EVERYONE can see it its only you that holds out hope that he is "good" for America.

H.D.: Apparently you didn't read

midas39's Reply #7 above.

Here, let me help you.

Socialism or Communism?

"I had a 'privilege' to grow up and live in a country where it all also started with a proclaimed goal to correct some real or perceived injustices. Soon, the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia absorbed the so-called “social democrats” under the flag of “unification” of all “progressive” (leftist/liberal) forces. This unification was followed by the infamous putsch of February 1948. The Communists took over the government. Soon after that, in the name of the people, a censorship was sanctioned and people who did not make the “loyalty” tests started filling jails. The borders were sealed not because of danger from outside but in order to keep citizens in. Czechoslovakia, the most democratic state in Europe before the World War II has become one large Gulag, a conglomerate of numerous smaller sized gulags. Czechoslovakia, as Norman Thomas predicts for America, has become “a Socialist nation, (almost) without knowing how it had happened.” What bothers me most is that we, Americans, historically do not want to associate the word “Socialism” and Marx’s name with Communism, with the Soviet Union or present Cuba. Even for many thoughtful commentators, the “Socialism” is sufficiently dirty word. As if Marx and Engels did not write 'The COMMUNIST Manifesto' as a final destination."



To TacitusX
Read again your sentence stating that a concentration of power corrupts and creates a ruthless domination. Apply it to Corporate America, which has not scrupled to:

1) Dump its industrial waste in our rivers;

2) Contaminate our land with carcinogens;

3) Kill our workers in unsafe work environments and then avoid accountability for their deaths;

4) Manipulate fake shortages so that people would accept a price rise, and laugh about it (heard on tape in Califoria re the power situation);

5) Lay off hundreds of thousands of heads of families while sending our manufacturing jobs abroad in order to increase their already obscene profits, and take a reward from the Republican government for doing so, while meanwhile increasing executive compensation.

Reagan>Bush>Bush, and especially Bush II juiced up by Cheney, concentrated power in an unregulated Corporate America. The result was indeed a corrupt and ruthless domination. Reversing that was what the 2009 election was all about, in case you didn't notice. Go Obama.

herein lies the rub...
capitalism is a messy process. socialism and its derivatives are efforts to tidy up a mess. therein lies the rub.

it is the chaos of the capitalist system of resource allocation that produces progress... new drugs (both good and evil), new products (both good and evil) and personal growth opportunity (yep, both good and evil)

the socialist wants to filter out the evil without sacrificing the good. problem is... we don't know what the good or evil results are until after the fact. trying to predict the future... this will be good, we'll endorse it or that will be evil, we'll suppress it... is the height of arrogance.

liberals are arrogant and tidy

conservatives are humble and messy

therein lies the rub

offshore out.

One More Reason

Nobody reads TIME Magazine.

To Ann, Geek, and n
1) To Ann---You are right, Wikipedia is sometimes inaccurate since anyone can say anything there. So I googled "Larry Elder" and got 684,000 hits. I notice that townhallers aren't much into research and bookworming---they tend to like their information in brief form like a bumper-sticker---so I gave Wikipedia as a quick reference. If you take them time to read Elder's writings and listen to his broadcasts you will see that he does, as a staunch libertarian, advocate free abortion choice and the legalization of all drugs.

2) To Geek: I dunno, seems to me that knowing how to put on a condom IS a survival tool if it protects a boy from getting AIDS and becoming a Daddy at age 15.

3) To n: Do you think the words "Marxist" and "Communist" and "Socialist" have some kind of destructive magical power? The fact is that unless government regulates and controls business, then business, of which the ONLY motive is profit, does harm to the nation and its people. This has been demonstrated thousands of times during our history as a nation. The fact is that some on the Left would like to see Washington go a lot farther toward Socialism---in Obama the GOP is lucky, since he is very centrist and very friendly to business and the military. Give thanks. Stop being silly and start listening to this reasonable man who has already gone far to accommodate your side.

alison
I tried to read Time the other day. Does anyone see it anywhere besides a doctor's waiting room and a super market check out lane?

Not the serious periodical I recall from the old days. Nor could I recall the last time I read a copy of the magazine.

Capitalism
"Who can spend, save or invest more efficiently and humanely, you or some tenured bureaucrat in D.C. who's never run so much as a hot dog stand or lent himself out as a United Way volunteer?"

Excellent statement - government overseeing and directing an economy is a train wreck ready to happen - does anyone really want some brain-dead bureaucrat looking over a business owner's shoulder? - bureacrats do not, and never will, work within or ever understand a competitive business environment - having government control the economy is another liberal concept that looks good on paper but fails in the real world - for liberals, on this and other fronts, there is disconnect between the concept and practical application.

Re: Back in the USSR!!!
HD, it is very obvious that you are drinking the Kool-ade!!! Sir, I don't think that it has hit you yet that every inch of you life will now be taxed in ways that even boggles my mind!!
I taught econ./history for years and I can't believe that a group of people have gotten together to sit arround and dream up way to tax and spend that is the first in world history!!!
But you sir, are suspect, not a student of the historical past and really understand the jest of this econ. nightmare that this maxist has bestowed up this country!! The simple fact sir, that this idiot has indebted our future generations has no effect on you really floors me, that you sir can't get past the all of hype and ladeeda really speaks to your lack of understanding in this clowns entire agenda!!! I guess it will not dawn on you until you are paying about 70% of your income to fund this horridous econ. policy of ClownBama's!!! Your meals will consist of rice and beans, because you can't afford anything else-I sir had to live like this in my past and it was utterly depressing!!! The only thing that helped me sir was the fact that finally my hard work paid off and now this idiot wants to take from me this fruit of my labors and give it to a bum who refuses to work four jobs(like I did) and the like to get where I am now!!! Wake up!!!!

Lilly
With all due respect you are an idiot! Obambi is a "centrist'? HE TOOK CONTROL OF A PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANY!!!!! BTW I dont use marxist to for is destructive power I use for its identifying powers. The reason we cal la CAT a CAT is because its a CAT. Do you understand? If you wan ta marxist for a pres ok but I dont.

Let me ask you this. If businesses only want profit what then is a businesses goal once the government decides to regulate it?

lilly
how does a business making money (profits) harm the nation and its people?

n writes:
Lilly
With all due respect you are an idiot! Obambi is a "centrist'?
__________________________________________

Calling Lilly an idiot is only speculation here. However, she continues to post and remove all doubt!

BO
appears to be just a cheap knockoff of Hugo!

Thank you, Mr. Elder
for saying the things that would have elicited "racist" remarks from any of us white folks saying the same things. Thank you for speaking for us in this politically charged atmosphere.

Obama is indeed a disaster. I wish it weren't so, but his actions speak for themselves. He talks out of both sides of his mouth and the American public is too self-absorbed to notice.

Obama a centrist?
"in Obama the GOP is lucky, since he is very centrist and very friendly to business and the military"

WOW - I never thought I'd ever read a statement like that - whatever you're smoking, I'll pass.

Rebutting Lilly's cliches seriatim
Free markets = competition, which is the opposite of a concentration of power, which is what you get with government monopolies.

The U.S. environment is orders of magnitude superior to that of the former Soviet bloc and socialist China.

The government created the energy shortage by shutting down nuclear plant construction, not allowing new refineries for 30 years, prohibiting drilling in ANWR and offshore, blocking offshore windfarms (blocks libs view from their inherited yachts), blocking coal and natural gas production, etc. ad nauseum.

The U.S. has the second-highest corporate tax rate of all industrial societies, after economically anemic Japan. The U.S. federal rate of taxation is 35 percent, and when the average state and local corporate tax rates are added, American corporations pay, on average, a 39.27% tax on their incomes. China is at 25%; Mexico is at 28% socialist Sweden is at 28%; and prosperous Ireland is at a mere 12.5%. That's why the U.S. economy is bleeding jobs and prosperity to other nations not burdened with our rapaciously greedy Dims.

"Deregulation" under Bush is a leftist myth. During the Bush years the Code of Federal Regulations was 8,000 pages longer in 2007 than in 2000. Appropriations for federal regulatory agencies increased during the Bush years from $27 billion in 2001 to $44.9 billion in 2007 - a 44% increase in inflation-adjusted dollars. The total staffing of regulatory agencies increased 41% from 172,000 employees to over 244,000. Educate yourself.

lilly
Even IF you think governments should "regulate" businesses, taking control of a business is NOT regulation. You really should not say things that make you look foolish.

You've GOT to read this!
This guy nails it! Very clever writer! http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/05/obama-allows-ca pitalism-for-now.html

Satirical, but makes its point!

lilly the senile socialist.
Just because you are in love with the socialist/commie from chicago doesn't mean the rest of us believe he is capable of selling tee shirts let alone run the country.

But you remain one of the dumbest people on the planet. You need the messiah to love, make you feel good about yourself and to bring about a socialist nirvbana where old folks like you can demand goods and services that others will pay for.

You not only hate america but hate all americans who don't accept your vision of what america should be.

But you seem like the rest of the trolls, more than willing to service your messiah publicly and tell the rest of us how much you enjoy it and what's wrong with us because we won't bow and scrape before this fraud intent on destroying america.

Why not do us a fav or, take your 80 year old body, go to your corner with your drool bib and gum your strained carrots while you dream of the good old days when you were an american hating beatnik getting high on grass listening to peter paul and mary, and providing free love to any who were despertate enough to sleep with an idiot like you

confusion reigns
Capitalism is about private allocation of resources... protection of private property is critical.

Marxism, socialism, fascism, etc are about government allocation of resources. Protection of government power/authority is critical. I would throw the merchantilists (government run by merchants for their own benefit) into the mix with socialists.

Are capitalists inherently bad... or good? No to both. No one has ever claimed either. The results of democratic capitalism is generally "better."

Are all fascists bad. I doubt it. There have been some horrible fascist governments, however. Way, way worse than anything capitalism ever concieved.

Sometimes a business (maybe a capitalist, maybe a state run business) will pollute. That is what economists call a "negative externality." Basically, that means getting someone else to pay for your mess. Bully-like behavior to state it simply.

The role of government in a democracy is/should be to protect private property. If Party A pollutes my property, they are taking my property. Government steps in to provide a referee. You get the idea.

The problem with our present administration is that with the best of intentions, they are taking what is private property and managing it for the public good.

This is the behavior of a regent, benign dictator, etc. It is not the democratic process. A regent is not in and of itself a bad thing. It is not a democracy.

BHO is a neo-marxist. Yes because he is trumping private property by government fiat. (BTW, No kudos to GWB or Bill, either)

Personally, I think BHO is a plain old Fabian socialist. Well meaning but misguided. Lots of happy people live in these types of countries and love it. I know... I work in some of them.

spinning the abortion argument into this
An aside:
The abortion argument is that one side says the fetus is the property of the fetus hostess until birth. The other side says the fetus is the owner of itself.

While not a "capitalism argument, it is associated only with property rights in a democratic society

Back to the original argument, Illy...

To TacitusX
Deregulation is not a leftist myth. Let's take the Food and Drug Administration as an example. Pre-Reagan, before pharmaceutical companies could market a drug they had to submit all research data to the FDA, where scientists (pharmacologists, pharmacists, biochemists, chemists, physicians, epidemiologists, and statisticians) reviewed the data to make sure the drug was efficacious (did what it was said to do) and safe. In this case government (the FDA, following guidelines established by Congress) worked in partnership with business (the drug company). The drug could not be marketed until the FDA said so, and FDA attorneys, as well as scientists, had to OK marketing claims made by the company. The purpose, BTW, was not to establish government tyranny but to protect the public.

Reagan changed this to allow the drug companies to review their own data and decide for themselves whether the drug was efficacious and safe and ready for market. What do you think happened? One drug after another appeared on the Evening News after killing people, giving them strokes, giving them heart attacks. Companies were found to have been falsifying and hiding data that didn't support their claims. Bush administration people were posted in government agencies to oversee scientific opinion. Drugs were rushed to market with insufficient testing. PEOPLE WERE HURT.

Nevertheless, control lost even more ground. Nutritional supplements, vitamins, and "health store medicines" of all kinds were legislated to be sold without FDA testing or supervision. Some of these were soon associated with consumer deaths. And of course the political Right has continued to push for less control, even for making ALL pharmaceutical products available without prescription and for selling products for which no scientific basis of efficacy exists (eg Laetrile, and in today's paper, Lupron).

Regulation's purpose is to protect the public.

To musicman
Stop me if I'm wrong, but I believe I have read many times on townhall that parents have a right to make the rules in a house they pay for. That is exactly what Obama has done, as spokesman and bursar of the house we all own: the United States of America. I can't think of a single example of a business that is doing well, showing a profit, and following the law and ethics of business, where Obama has fired the CEO or put a cap on CEO pay. If a company is in such straits that it needs government money to survive, then government gets some say-so in how it operates: "He who pays the piper calls the tune". If business can't manage itself, then the government SHOULD step in. Suppose you have a ne-er-do-well brother-in-law who has driven into the ground three or four businesses, then your sister begs you to help her brother out yet again by investing in his faltering disastrous venture. Don't you think you might say, "Yes, but this time I am going to set some standards he has to follow, otherwise, no money."

delusiuonal lilly, hater of america
in lilly's delusional world every product must be safe for every person and work the miracles that the lilly's of the world expcet.

So tell us lilly with the availability of flu shots and their very low cost why are some 35,000 or so americans dying from the flu every year.

And these large numbers of deaths from drugs you constantly tell us are the result of companies rushing them to market without enough testing to purposely kill unsuspecting americans.

What the stupid lilly's of the world fail to understand there is an inherent risk to everything. No drug or productr can be made 100% safe or cannot have unintended side effects due to a person misusing the medication or failing to take it the prescribed way or using it with other drugs they weren 't supposed to take it with or senile old fools like lilly who give these drugs to their friends telling them it will ease their pain.

But no senile lilly demands that drug companies be held accountable for the stupidity of others.

But it is the elderly and senile lilly's of the world that demand more and more to ease their pain and give them comfort.

Lilly do yourself a favor, stop taking all your drugs less they harm you in some unintended way. Or better still switch meds with your equally senile old fool of husband and see if the two of you can benefit from using the same prescriptions

In lilly's world that uninteneded tragedies that occurred means drug companies are irresponsible.

Pathetic lilly fails to understand no product can ever be made safe for every person. They use extremely toxic drugs in chemo therapy. To kill the cancer they come close to killing the patient. So tell us lilly is this an unacceptable risk in your fantasy world.

Marxist Barry
Not a surprise.While 65 million people and the press were having Obamagasms,I was listening to what he was saying.He probably has a well-worn copy of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto and since he took office,he has it in play.

lilly
Regulation prevents nothing. Drug companies have no desire to kill people. Killing people is bad for business. Businesses dont need the government to tell them that. Explan why a business would WANT to kill people?

Marxist Conflict Theory Drives Obama 1

The current Democrat-led "change" is a product of Marxist social "Conflict Theory" taught in liberal arts colleges of America as a means of instituting "social justice" in what is viewed as an oppressive capitalist form of government, which espouses that the structure of our form of government, itself, is what is at the root of human oppression and must necessarily be "changed" to allow for "social equality." Barack Hussein Obama is the "Trojan Horse" candidate the one world socialist oligarchs chose, precisely because of his indoctrination and belief in this philosophy, to use his "charm" and "appearance", and so forth, to institute it.

Largely, because of his ability to charm the masses of ignorant and celebrity-loving/worshipping spoiled Americans who after being primed by a conspiratorial mainstream media for the past 6 or 7 years of the Bush administration into a frenzy of hatred for Bush, the war in Iraq, Christianity/morality, and personal responsibility, were ready for "change" and "hope" .

All this coupled with a sense that conservatism was a party-pooper, in the sense that those who held up tradition and morality were a drag on their rights to party down 24-7--"be as gay and freaky as you wanna be; don't want nobody telling me that it's wrong to have same sex sex or dispense with my unwanted pregnancies--ooh, you're so passe'--then there's that damn Bible...and Jesus...and all that...man, I just want to be free...."

Like it or not, they voted for "change"...and "change" is what they got. Only, I'm not sure they understood what that "change" would be.

Lilly writes:
The purpose, BTW, was not to establish government tyranny but to protect the public.
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Yes, all businesses must submit something for government "regulation" for the safety of the public and for Federal guidelines. However, it doe not "share" in the decision making, hiring & firing , funding or profit of the business. That line then makes it a Marxist Socialist intrusion.

A private business must be allowed to succeed or fail based on the the efforts of the owners and employees.

Unintended consequences
So far only truly nutty or ignorant people would believe Prez Obama's a socialist. But if you John Birchers successfully rebrand the Democrats as Democratic Socialists you will end up giving socialism a good name. Future generations will grow up associating the term with progress and good government. Good job!

Marxist Conflict Theory Drives Obama 2
The overwhelming majority of, once, traditional Democrats have little or no knowledge of the philosophies of the people they have been duped into unleashing upon America and it's free-market system. Whipped up in a frenzy of hatred for any and all moral underpinnings of our society, they were tricked under the slogan of "Change" to unwittingly elect a Marxist administration in the purest sense of the word.

Our liberal arts colleges and universities, aided by such individuals as William Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn and others of their ilk, have been indoctrinating our sons and daughters into policies which constantly bombard them with the notion of the failure to attain success in a capitalist society, such as ours, as to have nothing to do with the individual's poor choices and failure to avail his or herself of the opportunities that freedom and free-market capitalism only makes possible; but that the free-market competitive system of governance, itself, is structured in such a way as to cheat them of the lifestyle to which they are entitled.

This entitlement mentality has been carefully nurtured and tested, first with the black community over the past 40+ years, and has proven to be effective in coercing an entire segment of the population [black people] to accept this notion of themselves as victims of a structural barrier to their ever having a chance to become unghettoized under their own volition and without the largess of the Democrat Party system of a social welfare state.



Marxist Conflict Theory Drives Obama 3

Building upon the success of this experiment in population control and political power, the Democrats took it to the next level in 2007-2008 by elevating what they knew was a community organizer schooled in the Marxist social philosophy of Conflict Theory, to unleash their goal of the destruction of capitalism in the U.S. and to insure the ascension of a Democrat-run socialist-collectivist government-as-god type of new world order.

Sound far-fetched?

If it does, it was meant to.
That is why Barack Obama's origins in Marxist social indoctrination was carefully hidden with the collusion of the Democrat-elite MSM throughout the entire election cycle. I am currently working as a Senior at a university in downstate Illinois seeking a BSW in Social Work.

One of the textbooks we are studying, "Human Behavior and the Social Environment, Macro Level, by Katherine van Wormer, Fred H. Besthorn, and Thomas Keefe (2007), in describing the "highly-regarded" social work theory of "Conflict" [of which BHO is obviously an adherent] the authors state:

"Conflict theorists Piven and Cloward (1993) utilized the functionalist analysis method borrowed from Merton (1957) to enhance our understanding of how the social welfare system serves as a societal device for "regulating the poor" in the interest of capitalism. The latent function of social services, from this perspective, thus becomes to preserve the establishment. Piven and Cloward's basic premise, based on their review of social change throughout U.S. history, was that "relief arrangements are initiated or expanded during outbreaks of civil disorder produced by mass unemployment and are then abolished or contracted when political stability is restored" (p.xv).

lilly
obambi is NOT our parent and the government does not won the "house' that you cal lthe United States of America. The PEOPLE own the house and we hire the government to work for us. Its mmore akin to my owning a house and I hire an electrician to do some work for me. The government works for the people not the other way around. But you are a good liberal, you see government as the all knowing all benevolent parent. Its a surprise you can get yourself up in the moring withoutthe government giving you a wake up call.

Lilly writes:
If business can't manage itself, then the government SHOULD step in. Suppose you have a ne-er-do-well brother-in-law who has driven into the ground three or four businesses, then your sister begs you to help her brother out yet again by investing in his faltering disastrous venture. Don't you think you might say, "Yes, but this time I am going to set some standards he has to follow, otherwise, no money."
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The Government has absolutely no business being involved under the scenario that you outline.

The last example is hilarious and spoken like a true Marxist Socialist. No..maybe after the "first" time I would explain to Sis that there is no way in hell that I would give my brother-in-law any money when it is obvious that he can't run a business.

That's the difference. The government is bailing out businesses that have no business being in business. Once again the government rewards failure and in the case of the Marixts Socialists penalizes those businesses who are successful to keep the failed ones afloat.

Bad policy, bad government, bad leader!!!!

Marxist Conflict Theory Drives Obama 4

In other words, the elites in society can be counted on to provide only enough aid, stigmatized at that, to prevent mass disorder and regulate labor.

(Despite their use of functional analysis, Piven and Cloward's perspectives are far more closely aligned ideologically with Marxism than with Parson's functionalist writings.)"

"Payne (2005) refers to conflict theory as radical and socialist-collectivist. Feminist, empowerment, and antioppressive perspectives are included under the rubric of radical, as well as the structuralist, approaches. We discuss the structuralist approach here because it places a strong emphasis on economic and social equality among people."

"These structuralist approaches, so called because the source of social problems is located in the social structure rather than in the individual, were inspired by the radical thinking of the 1970s, but their influence waned, as Payne speculates, with the collapse of communism in the 1980s. Along with the neo-conservatism of modern times and the concordant erosion of the welfare state, there is a renewed interest within social work in effecting social change."

"Structural social work is associated today with and best articulated through the writings of Canadian social work theorist Bob Mullaly...Much like his predecessors, Mullaly (1997), in his book "Structural Social Work," espouses a conflict-oriented view of society and recognizes that one's circumstances and difficulties are connected to one's economic and social position in society (Lundy, 2005). "Structural Social Work" is described by Payne as the major statement of Marxist social work."

AMERICA'S DEATH WISH

.....It is not an accident that AMERICA went from an untamed wilderness to the World's greatest industrial power in just 300 years ...with the greatest gains being made between 1865 and 1900 ...this phenomenon was the direct result of free market CAPITALISM ...

.....But for the last 100 years PROGRESSIVES in WASHINGTON have been trying to harness the FREE MARKET to serve the will of GOVERNMENT ...

.....AMERICA was founded by individuals who yearned to be free of the yoke of EUROPEAN FEUDALISM but a new generation of AMERICANS see EUROPE as the model for a "NEW" AMERICA ...

.....Yes OBAMA IS A NEO-MARXIST ....but a majority of AMERICANS voted for him ...where did we go wrong? .....COLOSSUS

Roy writes:
Future generations will grow up associating the term with progress and good government. Good job!
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Actions speak louder than words and no amount of verbage will change what the Marxist Socialists are doing. There is no progress or good government so that doesn't appear to be a problem here.

Is anyone listening to our Neo-Marxist
President's whining speech just now?

Just in case someone has forgotten, EVERYTHING IS PRES BUSH'S FAULT!

Obozo is not only pa-the-tic, he's a total embarrassment.




Marxist Conflict Theory Drives Obama 5

"Mullaly's (1997, 2002) vision of social work practice is that it must be anticapitalist. If as social workers we do nothing to bring about progressive radical change, we fail the people we serve; we become part of the problem instead of the solution."
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This should give you a better understanding of what "progressive" liberals in today's Socialist-Democrat Party, under an Obama administration, are trying to implement in the United States as we speak.

You see, under their adherence to these types of theories [Marxist to their core] they have as their belief, that capitalism is bad, and Marxism is the solution.

There, fortunately, are other theories being taught which are just the opposite, but this is what is being bought into by the Democrats in our society who proudly define themselves these days as "progressives."

However, this Marxists Conflict perspective is being taught, now, as the dominant philosophy in our nation’s universities, especially in departments of social work, psychology, philosophy, and sociology.

It is not limited to these disciplines either.

Children are now, thanks to the influence of Mulally and William Ayers, who is being allowed to oversee the curriculum of our public schools systems as an unrepentant Marxist-liberationist declared enemy of capitalism and the American style of economic system.

When you realize just how pervasive Marxist ideology has been slowly used to indoctrinate our schools, you will be able to better put into context the comments of so-called university professors, like Dr. Douglas, who are completely sold, along with their professional disciplines, on the welfare state.

Thus, their fanatical support for Barack Hussein Obama, a fellow believer.

Marxism 101--Obama style.

liily hateful harridan
lilly if you are so afraid of life that you need to have socialism insulate against all possibly problems why are you living in dangerous and uncaring america.

You sound like you would be far more comfortable living in some socialist paradise.

You other pals and heros, the castro's would be more than happy to find a place on their island for you and your old senile civil servant hubby.

Just bring along your assets and they will bleed you dry but you can witness socialism up close and personal

You have still failed to provide one reason why those of us on the right should willing prostrate ourselves at the feet of you love object the messiah as you do.

But all you do is p!ss and moan about what a horrible place america is. Since you and yo ur elderly and useless husband have been workers over the years, what did you ever do to make things better.

And will your assets are you actually helping the great unwashed you cry about. In the past you have told us how well off you are, so can we assume you are helping others or are you another selfish leftist only concerned with your own worthless life while demanding the gov't provide more and more services for you at tax payer expense

Anne writes:
Is anyone listening to our Neo-Marxist
President's whining speech just now?
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Because BO is "weak". Now you know why we should be afraid for our National Security. A weak apologist is considered a laughing stock by our enemies. His demeanor is the opitome of a Marxist Socialist....Not accountable for their actions.

Lilly refuted
Lilly weakly parrots "deregulation is not a leftist myth." In view of your apparent innumeracy, have someone explain what the numbers in my previous post show. Vastly greater regulation is, by definition, not "deregulation."

Your FDA fairy tale flies in the face of reality - if Reagan allowed the drug companies to decide on drug efficacy and safety, why wasn't the FDA abolished, and why does it now cost upwards of a billion dollars to get a new drug approved? The FDA should have been abolished years ago. Exploding medical costs caused by FDA meddling have denied health care for millions. Huge numbers of people, dwarfing those supposedly hurt by drugs, have died because the FDA has blocked development and production of innovative drugs and treatments or made the cost of bringing them to market uneconomic when the likely market means there would be no way to recovery the billion dollar regulatory cost.

To the extent people are actually harmed (many, if not most such claims are shams motivated by the extortionate greed of trial lawyers - a Dim pressure group), the injured have redress in the courts. Insurance would solve most such problems. Poor plaintiffs with legitimate claims can hire attorneys on a contingency basis or become part of a class action. The FDA adds nothing of merit to the equation.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!
Anne
Location: PA
Reply # 2
Date: May 21, 2009 - 10:54 AM EST Is anyone listening to our Neo-Marxist
President's whining speech just now?

Just in case someone has forgotten, EVERYTHING IS PRES BUSH'S FAULT!
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Yeah, Anne...the BUSH mantra continues...

But it goes deeper than that. Some wonder about and ask themselves, why the constant harping on Bush?

Using the foil of Bush/Cheney is the opiate that allows the Marxist-Alinskyite to cloud the distinction between his actually targeting the whole foundation of the American form of government. One doesn't have to listen very closely to hear the underlying theme behind every one of Obama's speeches; whether about Gitmo, Wall Street, executives of GM or Chrysler, to soon identify that the REAL target and object of his contempt is CAPITALISM!!

If you listen to the message Obama is conveying to the world (because that is who he is openly appealing to; not US!), his message is one of incessant daily CONDEMNATION OF CAPITALIST AMERICA!!

We would be worse than foolish to fail to realize that Bush/Cheney is only the "strawman" that he and his comrades continuously trot out to public ridicule; when their REAL objective is to use the ginned-up hatred of them to facillitate his complete dismantling of the last bastion of a Constitutional Republic standing in the way of the "New World Socialist Order."

WAKE UP AMERICA!! Bush is not Obama's enemy...YOU ARE!!

lilly
Answer the question!!!! Why would businesses want to kill people? Even IF business are greedy and mean how would killing people help a business? Wouldnt that defeat the goal of getting money out of people? Dead people cant pay for a good or service so killing consumers seems like a very bad business plan.

Regulation and lilly 2
The tired bromide that "regulation's purpose is to protect the public" is a stale sales pitch for the easily gulled by those with a vested interest in government control, i.e., the politicians, bureaucrats, labor bosses, and fat cat mercantilists who use it to foreclose competition for their benefit.

Setting the template for the other alphabet agencies, it's an historical fact that the original regulatory agency, the ICC, was formed due to the furious pleading of the railroads themselves because open competition had slashed their profits. Predictably, it was sold to the gullible as necessary to "protect the public." Once the ICC was formed, it quickly outlawed competition and mandated much higher fares - exactly what the railroads wanted and the real reason for the "regulation."

No one is presently clamoring more loudly for increased "regulation" than big business. The (recently ousted) head of GM was petitioning the government to set vastly higher gas prices precisely so GM could sell the unsellable mini clown cars he had manufactured to curry favor with his D.C. masters. For his servility, Obama rewarded him by seeing that he was ousted from his post. Word to the wise - libs eat their young.

Lilly
Coming up is a day to honor those fallen service that died to allow you to speak and spout out your maxist drivel.

It would help
It would help if the defenders of capitalism understood capitalism.

Any dollar held by government is not held by someone else. But dollars spent by government can then be respent by private citizens in most cases. That is because money circulates, when one spends it, it does not then go out of existence. This is a pretty basic fact about how capitalism works. That Elder would miss it shows the lack of seriousness here.

And while it is true that Eisenhower was able to build the Interstate system by appeal to military necessity, the incredible economic advantages that followed are not lessened by the fact that it was justified on other grounds. America simply could not have seen the growth it did without the Interstate system making it cheap to move goods around.

And why does Elder think it ironic that someone who works at a government funded agency should thing that regulation helps capitalism work? Does Elder simply not understand the concepts he is using?

The proper term for BHO:

OBAMUNIST!

roy in the ozone
social democracy preserving capitalism is like the pharisees preserving the scriptures. Eventually the democracy will have the hope of the scriptures murdered.

Lon
You don't understand. To have capitalism you must first have capital. Capital is generated by savings, not spending. Governments don't save anything, they take and spend. You can't build a capitalist system on the back of redistributive spending.

Karl Marx is no the person to ask about capitalism.

Liberal Societies Feed on Marxism 1

Again, one of the textbooks we are studying, "Human Behavior and the Social Environment, Macro Level, by Katherine van Wormer, Fred H. Besthorn, and Thomas Keefe (2007), in describing the "highly-regarded" social work theory of "Conflict" [of which BHO is obviously an adherent] the authors state:

"Conflict theorists Piven and Cloward (1993) utilized the functionalist analysis method borrowed from Merton (1957) to enhance our understanding of how the social welfare system serves as a societal device for "regulating the poor" in the interest of capitalism. The latent function of social services, from this perspective, thus becomes to preserve the establishment. Piven and Cloward's basic premise, based on their review of social change throughout U.S. history, was that "relief arrangements are initiated or expanded during outbreaks of civil disorder produced by mass unemployment and are then abolished or contracted when political stability is restored" (p.xv).”

Herein lies the rationale for the purposeful destruction being initiated by the current Obama administration as we speak. The purposeful creation of an atmosphere of economic meltdown . People wonder, “How can this administration be so stupid as to think their policies will not bankrupt the auto industry, lead to massive layoffs, drive up costs of doing business, and create hardship and loss of security for the middle class? Are they so stupid they don’t know this will be the result of their policies?”

The answer is no. Their belief is that without mass unemployment, no social change can be forced to support a welfare state. Where fatal flaw in their presumptuous philosophy is, is in the assumption that a welfare state is the way to affect positive “social change.”

Paranoia
What's with all the Obama paranoia? You know, this country has survived Democratic presidents in the past. I am an Independent. From what I see, Obama is just continuing alot of Bush's program (Financial and Auto bailouts, foreign wars). He is just alot smarter and more polished than Bush and as a result, the rest of the world likes us again.

I don't know whether he will be a good president or not, but I don't see any reason for the paranoia.

Liberal Societies Feed on Marxism 2

If welfare programs are contracted or abolished in times of low unemployment and political stability it is precisely because these services are not as much in demand because the people are gainfully employed and, thus, do not require as much welfare! They are aware of this. “Then,” you may ask, “what is their motive in fighting such obvious prosperity?”

Because THEY wouldn't be needed!

The fields of social work, community organizing, politics, psychology, and other so-called “helping professions” have become less interested in “social justice” as they are in feeding on the misery of the culture of victimhood and the underclass they require to legitimize their continued existence as viable professions!

The LAST thing a social worker or politician wants to realize is a depletion of the number of “victims” by which to justify their continued existence.

As ghoulish as it may seem, social work and psychology programs thrive on the misery of masses of “victims.”

Obama’s policies will not only serve the purpose of allowing him to buy votes with replacing self-sufficiency with Obama and Democrat-run welfare largess; thus, requiring the ignorant masses of suffering minions to keep him in power once they become addicted to his handouts; it will also provide a steady flow of clients for social workers and the training that universities provide.

This is why Social Work programs, and the university system, is firmly committed to the Democrat Party…they know which side their bread is buttered on!

Liberal societies feed on Marxist ideology…it is necessary for their continued existence.
They are totally invested in the “welfare state” for their funding and it is their raison d’etre’.

Capitalism vs Free Market
For anyone to understand the dynamic, the distinction between a free market and capitalism must first be understood.

Capitalism is merely the accumulation of capital for the future production of goods and services. Capital is merely the excess of income above expenses that are applied to a business function. Capitalism can exist as a free market model or a heavily managed model.

Free market is a form of capitalism in which there is a complete absence of authoritative control over the functions of the market outside the punishment of violations of life, liberty and property rights. This system has not existed for a century in any form in the entire world.

The reason capitalism has a bad name today is it isn't of the free market model but of the fascist model (aka Crony Capitalism). Free individuals are unable to set up, operate or run businesses without the express permission of a governing authority and without following precise rules. These rules make the system both unfair, to the advantage of whoever the ruling political favors, and inefficient. This is the system that the USA has been running under for the last 100 years. This system functions via heavy interference by governing officials and bureaucratic employees.

The model of capitalism that has failed us is the model where governments have a heavy weight in who and how a busienss is operated. It is of the logical conclusion that allowing more control is not the answer. If our system was destroyed this badly when it is only partially controlled, how much worse will it get when there is greater control?

No central authority can ever efficiently be able to determine how money is to be spent, where it is to be spent or how businesses will operate. Information moves too fast for any individual, group or computer to ever be able to manage an economy.

Obama Couldn't Run Hot Dog Stand, Larry
Larry, Obama wouldn't be able to run a hot dog stand because it takes a free American citizen who believes in free enterprise and lives in a country that allows him to earn as much money as he wants through his own dreams and efforts and hard work. In fact, the founder of Carl's Jr. started out with a hamburger stand and was able to use his efforts, hard work to reach his American dream because American believed in free enterprise - but today, the radical far left liberals don't believe in the American dream, independence, free enterprise - they want to buy the hot dogs and dole out the hot dogs and if you earn too much money from selling the hot dogs because you worked hard then they want to take away the profit and if you don't oppose their policies then you are an extremist and they'll take your hot dogs away from you and foreclose on your cart and offer you a government loan but fire you and hire one of their own to run your business - now that's real progress after 200 years of free enterprise within 100 days - Hot diggety dog -

Robert writes:
I am an Independent. From what I see, Obama is just continuing alot of Bush's program (Financial and Auto bailouts, foreign wars). He is just alot smarter and more polished than Bush and as a result, the rest of the world likes us again.
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Obama is NOT continuing alot of Bush's programs. I disagreed with the Bush programs but he never "took over" businesses and meddled in a capitalist system.

The rest of the world likes us??? What are you 12? The rest of the world is laughing at us. That and a quarter will get you a cup of coffee.

You obviously have no knowledge of business!

Lon writes:
Any dollar held by government is not held by someone else. But dollars spent by government can then be respent by private citizens in most cases. That is because money circulates, when one spends it, it does not then go out of existence. This is a pretty basic fact about how capitalism works.
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Bwahahahahahahaha! Are you kidding me? You left out one critical point there Lon. Any dollar "held" by the "Government" is "OUR" money. That's as basic as it can get. The only difference here is that the government takes my money that I work for and gives it to people who don't work for it or squander it.

101!

Marxism is dead
We need to stop fighting the Cold War. Nobody is interested in nationalizing the means of production or abolishing private property.

What we are calling "socialism" or "Marxism" is actually a form of fascism. They allow a "Free Market" of sorts to exist, because it is now undeniable that only free markets produce wealth. The left wants to control those enterprises and distribute that wealth as they see fit, like Mussolini or Franco.

Robert writes...

"The rest of the world likes us."

My father taught me when I was 9 or 10 years old that "everybody loves a fool."

I would rather have a person respect me, than to "like" me. And, everyone who respects you isn't going to "like" you.


cleverness_of_me

Location: NY
Reply # 2
Date: May 21, 2009 - 12:28 PM EST Marxism is dead
We need to stop fighting the Cold War. Nobody is interested in nationalizing the means of production or abolishing private property.

What we are calling "socialism" or "Marxism" is actually a form of fascism. They allow a "Free Market" of sorts to exist, because it is now undeniable that only free markets produce wealth."
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For the sake of clarification of your statement: "They allow a "Free Market" of sorts to exist..." Can you provide an example of a "free market" enterprise that is not currently under threat of being enslaved by the Obama administration?

Just one example will be sufficient.

Larry Elder
"President Obama: Neo-Marxist"

****
Hey, bright guy. That is an old, stale, and
untrue statement. Try something worthy of
the space you take up.

Robert writes...

"The rest of the world likes us."

My father taught me when I was 9 or 10 years old that "everybody likes a fool, but NOBODY respects one."

tammy the pile of excrement
shows up and again says nothing.

Go back to your day job of planting your lips on the anal pore of the messiah. He appreciates your efforts more than we can stomach your stupidity

Obama's Doing Like FDR
Read "The Forgotten Man" and see that FDR's TVA unfairly competed with the local utility companies that eventually had to sell out to them. This is what forced Wilkie to retire. He also took the farmer's land by flooding it with the TVA dam system and relocated them to collective based communities like Casa Grande in Arizona so they could live like communists. It didn't work, so why is
Obama trying to repeat FDR's failures? If Obama's the best product of the Ivy League education system how come he doesn't know his history?

Cheney summed it up Today...

Dick Cheney sharply criticized President Barack Obama's handling of terrorism policy and defended harsh interrogation methods that Obama has labeled torture.

In a speech at the American Enterprise Institute today after Obama defended his approach to terrorism (closing Gitmo and possibly releasing terrorists in America), Cheney said Obama's decision to ban tough tactics "is unwise in the extreme."

"It is recklessness cloaked in righteousness and would make the American people less safe."

This soundbyte will be replayed over and over, and it best sums up the entire presidency of this nincompoop running our country down day-after-day since that infamous day he was elevated to oversee it's dismantling:

"...recklessness cloaked in righteousness..."

Tammy
Let me ask you an honest question.

Do you understand what Marxism is?

I see none of the obama supporters do.

By their comments here.

Just wondering if you are being honest and thinking obama is not a Marxist and are just ignorant of what Marxism is.

Then my question goes to if you will be honest about your answer comes to mind also.

Tammy writes:
Hey, bright guy. That is an old, stale, and
untrue statement. Try something worthy of
the space you take up.
____________________________________________

It is actually a factual statement. Obama is a Marxist Socialist and has always been.

Sometimes the truth hurts but you just have to deal with it!

oncealways amarine
I guess that's why these tinpot dictators look at flap ears and laugh at him. They neither like or respect him but see a loser who won't threaten the way they use murder and torture against their own people.

When you believe in nothing, you stand for nothing. And the messiah believes in the most shallow of things, including his delusion he can show up and others will be convinced of his cause for doing what he perceives to be correct.


I quit...
I quit responding to articles like this because it seems that liberals invade this site just flame people and try to start fights. I don't understand it, I don't go to liberal sites, because I don't agree with what they say...so hence I don't flame anyone on liberal sites and I don't start fights on liberal sites. It's kinda like trying to control what is on television...if you don't like it, change the channel.

THE ANTI LIBERAL ZONE
Has a FRESH ESSAY UP:

"The ROAD to REBELLION."

Click on my handle to check it out.

Neomarxist?
Or flat out dyed in the wool Marxist? A distinction without significance.

The left wing (which is about 85%) of the Democratic party are fascist-marxists. Fascists in so far as they'll use privately owned big business that they can control through corruption, explicit regulation, or greed (by offering government programs) and classic marxists by taking over banks and automobile companies to control outright.

The election in California should give the Democrats pause. The tax revolt is alive and well, thank you.

Today's speech by Dick Cheney threw down the gauntlet to Obama -- tell us the full story, or shut up.

The left is on the run -- but they just don't know it yet.

TAMMY
Mommy was a MARXIST

Daddy was a MARXIST

His MENTOR was a gay Communist

His FRIENDS are MAOISTS and MARXISTS

and birds of a feather flock together.

Admit it, you voted for him because of your emotional investment in him and it prevents YOU from seeing, hearing, or speaking ANYTHING bad about the messiah.

Just like the three monkeys.

Pete
As I predicted yesterday on the Malkin thread, Cheney fed the punk his lunch.

If you check out my blog (click on my name) today, posted BEFORE Comrade Cipher bleated, I nailed this issue down.

Elections have consequences and the consequences for putting an idiot in office are grave. If we live through it, the DNC is toast.


Justin in IN
Great points!

I can't believe the audacity, well, maybe I can since he's such a narcissist, to go to Elkhart and preach about the loss of jobs, that his own party, led by Al "I'll create a crisis to make a buck" Gore were directly responsible for the downfall of the RV industry! I still remember several dumbocruds denouncing the RV industry as producing gas guzzling, air polluting vehicles, pointing to the CAFE standards as their justification. Apparently, their liberat contituents once again followed those statements mindlessly and didn't buy them. Yet, they will buy a fuel efficient Japanese car and slap a "save the whales" bumper sticker on it. They don't bother to learn that Japan is the largest killer of whales and sharks just for the fins, in the world!

lilly the loon and her twin sister, Tammy the turd are the same person and just as deranged. H D is Hal Dumohoe. Royinoslo is an iron range union puke that has his head so far up our state legislature's butts that if they stop quick, roy will get a broken neck! Hope you enjoy your mileage tax that's being propsed by your good buddy Oberspend! All of these pseudo intellectuals are classic examples of the old adage that if their collective brains were gas, they wouldn't add up to enough to pwer an ant's motorcycle half way around a bb!

Ooops!
dr dumba&%, forgot to include you in the above group! Sorry for the slight!

Time to act
ACTION ALERT – CAP & TRADE

HR 2454 is almost a law. Congress is fast tracking Cap & Trade so we need to fast track our phone calls, faxes and emails. This bill is out of Committee and is being voted on Thursday, 5/21 and Friday 5/22. They want this done before Memorial Day weekend.

COMRADE CIPHER's SPEECH TODAY
summed up:

B.O. I'm Barack Obama and I won by the way. Today I...D-bow d-bit d-bow, uh, Bucka-bow, dee buck, will close Gitmo today and my tiny little nipples went to France."
David Axleroid: What'd he just say? Check the teleprompter.
Rahmbutt the Ballerina: The teleprompter's fine. TOTUS IS ON IT!
B.O.: The White House greets the terrorists from Gitmo and I do the cha-cha like a sissy girl. I lik-a do da cha-cha. Ohhhh. My apologies. Bulla blah, bulla blabity bulla bla, send them to Kaa kaa poo poo. I need 80 million taxpayer dollars to PEE PEE!"


oncealwaysamarine
The tactics of the left leaning welfare administrators you described are just the preliminary phase of the overall plan, create large numbers of gubmint dependants. The next phase is to create via fiscal and regulatory skullduggery, conditions that make success impossible for private enterprise. When private entities collapse under the weight of gubmint machinations, St Obama will ride to the rescue, saddlebags stuffed with Monopoly money. In order to recieve this modern day manna from heaven, the price is ownership of the entity. This will begin gradually and accellerate as competitive advantages bestowed on the gubmint businesses squeeze private competitors out of the market.

Bruce
I had to LMMFAO listening to the narcissist as he wove his LIFE STORY into a speech on national security! haha

Still campaigning, it's all the empty suit knows what to so.

GunnyG #88
You say "birds of a faether flock together".
I humbly suggest "an ACORN" falls close to rhe tree".

gunny g
for shame, again you are p!$$ing on the trolls parade. Seems they look at the messiah and see, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy and santa claus all rolled up in one piece of useless self adoration

But the trolls will never understand they can never love the messiah as much as he loves himself.

But now he is promising them he will punish the evil corporations who have exploited the unions the banks who had the audacity to make a profit while they should have been giving away free money to the losers the messiah claims to speak for.

But what we see is the most versatile wannabee on the planet. beingpresident wasn't enough for this fraud. He goal is to be ist citizen of the world, the new ceo for the american auto industry and soon the gov. of calif where he can waste billions of tax dollars saving the dims worse experiment in socialism.

But the trolls still believe the free lunches are coming and that humanity will be saved from themselves.

All that is required is non stop love from the trolls and following like lemmings while the messiah leads the true believers over the cliff of destruction which was once the greatest country on earth all the way back on nov 9, 2008


Gunny
Yup! And did you notice that mr habitually late for the his own glory sessions, I mean press confernences, made sure that he was even later today so that people couldn't watch Dick Cheney eviscerate him? Too bad, osama, I'd rather listen to Cheney than you!

Rose in CA
Thank God that the more intelligent people in your state smacked those tax increases square in the nose!

On another note, Maureen Dowd, the tramp from the times, stated in one of her articles that osama told her that he sold subscriptions to the NYSlimes while he was in college, but he wasn't very good at it! Duh! She admitted that the object of her fantasies doesn't have any business sense! The funniest part is, she is such an elitist morong that doesn't even realize it!

microace
Like you, I have never gone to a democrat or any site to insult people politics, religion or person.

Every single democrat/"liberal" who comes to this site come to express hate and insulting posts at republicans, conservatives or Christians.

I have never seen a single one of them come for an honest discussion or debate.

There is no groundwork of a foundation to begin an honest debate or simple conversation with any of them.
I haven't seen one in over two years coming here.

No matter what a topic is, they will attack it with insults and never address the issues in honest conversation and leave their agenda driven politics out

obama respects no law
No Foundation of American principle and scorns America with a haughty attitude of superiority.

The man is not of a healthy mind, and he is drunk with power.

He is digging a pit he will fall into himself, and all those who allow him to do tjheir thinking for them

Excuse me now!
I have to follow the dear leader's advice and go out and buy my Smart car! The dealer is just down the freeway around 23 truck terminals, so I hope that I can make it back to my office before Sean Hannity is on!

obama respects no law
No Foundation of American principle and scorns America with a haughty attitude of superiority.

The man is not of a healthy mind, and he is drunk with power.

He is digging a pit he will fall into himself, and all those who allow him to do their thinking for them.


the original cactus head
They refuse to see the real Maobama SIMPLY because of the time and effort they've put in to loving him.

They fail to note the poker axiom:

"NEVER throw good money after bad."

Bruce
INDEED!

And what is more amazing is that the MEDIA brought that very point to light right off of the bat!

The bloom is off of him and the stench of the turd is begining to seep through the thin veener of gold paint Soros applied to him!

the original cactus head Post #7
Great response, keep it up brother.

HEADLINES
in the Comrade Zero Administration today.

1. Jobless Claims Set Another Record.

2. CBO: Unemployment will keep rising through 2010.

3. Michigan rate reaches 12.9%.

4. Feds give $50M in aid to towns hit by auto layoffs. (NICE ONE! The UAW cripples the auto industry and WE PAY FOR IT!)

Guess donations to Maobama are already paying off.

QUESTION OF THE DAY.

Will Comrade Zero bailout out THIRTY YEARS of Liberalism in Mexifornia now that Arnold Schiver got on his knees with OUR MONEY?


Dr Douglas
How is that view of your liver from your colon?

To Cactus Head
You say that Obama "punished corporations and banks that had the audacity to make a profit". Go back and check. See if you can figure out the difference between "making a profit" and "declaring bankruptcy, going under, failing, owing money to others, being in debt, having caught a cold, being about to go out of business, having to appeal to the government with your hat in your hand, going splat, being kaput". Do you think what all this has been about is that the banks, insurance companies, and automobile companies have all been making a fine healthy profit and Obama just interfered with their great success because he is an old meanie? And you are content for credit card companies to, surprise!, change the interest rate from 5% to 50% on customers who have never been one day late or one dollar short, all so they can increase their profit? You don't believe in consumer protection?

Let me guess. You think the term "business ethics" is a synonym for "effeminacy" and you despise both?

INTERESTING
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/21/cnn-poll-fa vorable-opinion-of-dick-cheney-on-the-rise/

A CNN POLL no less has Cheney on the rise in the polls.

I'm betting that when all of the eight YEARS of liberal myths and lies about Bush/Cheney are blown away like a f*rt in a hurricane, and a review of how they kep US SAFE after 9/11, their poll number will skyrocket.

Funny how Maobama's are DOWN according to Gallup.

In other news, the Lapdog media at Time as the 17th cover of Maobama on.

slurp slurp slurp...they're making Sophie jealous of all of that "face" time they're getting.

To cactus head
You are right---every substance that we ingest has the potential to be toxic. Scientists trained in pharmacology and statistics know how to assess a drug's benefit vs risk. They go to school for this. For a long time. They're not just guessing. And they have a better track record of doing an accurate assessment than do companies eager to start recouping their R&D costs.

And you're right again that I, Lilly, am not an expert in the drug field. I am directly quoting my husband, who is. He studied these matters (in school) for thirteen years before joining the FDA as a scientist, a job he then did for thirty years. My guess is that he knows more about drugs than either you or I. Don't you suppose?

Lilly?
Do you have any clue about business and capitalism? Any?

Interferring with a company about to go bankrupt is the issue. Let's reward to inefficient. Certainly, let's protect the UAW who helped them become inefficient.

The only thing the BO did was prolong the agony and throw billions of our dollars down the drain. The purpose of a bankruptsy is to re-organize in an orderly fashion, which they would have done already and been back running. Now it's just BO motors!

Credit cards? Nice touch and some protection. However, no one with any hint of financial problems will be able to get a credit card. Who does this hurt? Poor people.

Nice job BO!

lilly

Has it ever occurred to you to limit your opinions to subjects about which you have some knowledge? Economics isn't one of them, and you make a bloody fool of yourself every time you blather on trying to sound intelligent.

Gunny
Cheney is doing what Bush should have done the past 8 years. Step on a liberal's throat whenever they begin to whine and complain.

The best way to stop this BS is to hit them between the eyes. Call em on it and hold their feet to the fire.

As he said. If BO does something that is right, he should recieve credit but when he screws up, he should be nailed.

lilly the stupid
exactly where do you continue to come up with this stupidity.

There is ample evidence that companies can come back from bankruptcy and return to profitability. But in the cxase of the auto companies they are stuck with unions more interested in tearing down the companies then i n helping them to thrive. Unions have long black mailed companies into agreeing to contracts rather than risk the unions actively working against management.

You need to leave fantasy land. Exactly where were credit cards charging 50% interest rates on credit cards. But idiot s like you fail to understand the millions of dollars lost yearly when deadbeats and other losers renege on the debt.

Besides why would you care about the companies making a profit, in your world profits are evil and investors according to your clueless messiah are heartless speculators for wanting a return on their investments.

But where is your proof that companies operate outside the law just to maximize profits. In your fantasy world companies make dangerous products just to maximize profits.

Companies and investors put millions into businesses to make a profit and your messiah has turned over chrysler to the unions who have invested nothing in capitol improvement.

But how will idiots like you like things when the new companies owned by the gov't and unions start making an unsafe product and the rules won't allow law suits.

Checking my credit cards that have balances I see I am paying rates that vary from a low of 2.99% to a high of 6.99%. The last loan I got is charging 2.5% for the 5 years term. I don't feel exploited by the banks. But still you chose to believe the lies put out by you messiah

Like talking to your dog
Trying to argue with a liberal is a waste of breath. They just give you The--- "You Poor Pathetic Person, you don't Understand Anything, I FEEL so SORRY for You!!" --LOOK,--- and don't really understand any concept that wasn't POUNDED into their Brain by the Gov't School/Indoctrination System.--- Kinda like carrying on a conversation with your Dog. He smiles and gives you the same look! We used to study the Commie--[Turn in your own parents, Children if they disagree with "Dear Leader Chairman"!! It's your Patriotic Duty!!]--- Indoctrination/ Education System. We studied this in the 5th grade,in PRIVATE SCHOOLS!! Back in '57 or so! Not anymore. We were taught to fear the Commies, more than Dracula! Where is McCarthy, when you really NEED him?? We truly need the House Committee On Un-American Activities,NOW!!-- We could get rid of all the Commies/Dem/Socialists in the Congress!! BTW, I think that dogs understand basic concepts, better than MOST Libs. I didn't mean to insult dogs. If dogs could talk, we'd all be in trouble. Your Dog KNOWS Everything Going' on in the neighborhood!!

BK
exactly right. I stated back in early 2001 that the first mistake Bush made, was trying to work with libs. The second one was not firing every Clinton appointee. They backstabbed him from day one.

Roy
Swing by my blog and read today's essay and then the comments. One of my usual trolls is stuck on stupid and hardwired on spew.

He proves your point.

That explains it!
lilly's husband worked for the FDA, so she's the recipient of a fat government pension, funded by us taxpayers, courtesy of her husband! No wonder she's such a flaming liberat!

I knew that she never had a real job and apparently, neither did her husband.

FYI lilly, the FDA ain't the poster boy for safety! They approved quite a few drugs over the years that turned out to be harmful, most recently Vioxx and all of its' variants, Ketek an anti biotic and Seroquel!

Thank You Larry Elder.
You do know that you are a marked man, now. One of the Domesitc Extremist. You have identified the BHO for what he is...a marxist-leftist-anticapitalist. Ohh wait. that would put BHO on the Domestic Extremist list too.

Thank you Mr. Elder for joining us, the God-fearing, Gun-toten, Conservative-Capitalist, American-loving, patriots. You have gven me hope by calling out the truth of what Obama really is. BHO is just like his mentors: Marxist-Alensky, American-hating Wright, Domestic-Terrorist-Ayers, and meely-mouthed, Godless, humanistic-pacifist-tree-hugging fools.

"There is...a manly and lawful passion for equality which incites men to wish all to be powerful and honored. That passion tends to elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in the human heart a DEPRAVED taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduce man to prefer equality in SLAVERY to inequality with freedom." Tocqueville

the original cactus head
GREAT REPLY to the moron.

Checking my credit cards that have balances I see I am paying rates that vary from a low of 2.99% to a high of 6.99%. The last loan I got is charging 2.5% for the 5 years term. I don't feel exploited by the banks. But still you chose to believe the lies put out by you messiah

My Navy Fed credit card has rock bottom rates but maybe because we pay our bill to zero every month.

My United card (for miles purposes) is kept under 1500.00 unless we really NEED something.

Liberals will never understand economics because they are too stupid. Sophie the swamp rat is a prime example of idiot's who can't think and should be prevented from breeding AND voting!


HAL THE REMF POGUE

Poor Lilly
It's sad that after over 80 years, she never figured it out. And perhaps because she was a public school teacher, her posts are filled with hyperbole and failures of logic.

Sometimes she tells of what she learned in teacher college. Like how they taught her that public school was started in the U.S. to teach kids to read the Bible. Oh Lawdy, what a HOOT!!

She has had plenty of time to become a pretty danged good troll, however. I think it may be just the thing that's keeping her alive. Bless her pointed head.

Gunny
I commented on the link that you had, but I'll reiterate it here for the mentally challenged libs on this string.

It would be the real kicker if it was our old Hal, but I fear that has just resurfaced as H D.

Frankly, I am surprised that Kerry is so intolerant of people that steal from him, when he steals millions from us! Where is the justice man?

Also, notice how lilly, in typical liberat fashion, disappears when she is outed? Her husband probably came home and caught her on the net!

RoyinSoSLOOOOW...
"So far only truly nutty or ignorant people would believe Prez Obama's a socialist."

Looks like a Duck, walks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck...you know the drill. Take your head out of the sand and just watch what's going on out there.

"But if you John Birchers"

John Birchers...TEE HEE!! We WISH!

"successfully rebrand the Democrats as Democratic Socialists you will end up giving socialism a good name."

Nope, can't happen, there's not a potion out there worthy of being the antidote to the scourge of a disease known as socialism...or for that matter, liberalism.

And rebranding it will do no good. A piece of crap wrapped-up like a Christmas gift is still a piece of crap.

But, to a useless liberal loser like yourself, it's the rebranding that matters after all, not the actual product. That's what you choose to bring up...rebranding...so very typical.

"Future generations will grow up associating the term with progress and good government."

HAHA - that's the best laugh I've had all day. Where's the progress?? Show us the progress!! Tell us all about the "good government"!!! G'wan, spin away you putz!

Where do they GET these people??...

StuckInABlueState
"Where do the GET these people??"

From public schools, HELLO!!! ; )

First, a definition for neo-Marxist
"The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society." What horse hockey!

I can see our multi-millionaire "top" politicians viewing folks like us in Colorado as not qualified to breathe the same air that they do. Have you ever noticed that all three of them act as though their fa*ts don't stink?

Not only that, but I don't like the idea of becoming an evil money grabber, liar, egotist like Obamass or his wife Michelle, Pelosi or Reid. Thank you, I'll stand on my second degree in nursing where I didn't talk the big talk...I tried to save the lives of children.

Classless society my rear end. The Messiah wants to be king and will never notice that he has no brains much less clothes. Same agenda for the others. Pelosi looks like she had her face frozen in ice which is, at any moment, about to thaw. And Reid is just one big babbling idiot.

Obama Doesn't Know the SECDEFs Name

President Barack Hussein "Goddamn America" Obama sees his secretary of defense just about every day, but he still F**ked up Robert Gates' name today in his hurry to trot him out to make it appear that the Secretary of Defense was on board with the asinine and dangerous policies of this terrorists @$$-ki$$ing administration.

Gates was in the crowd for Obama's (so-called) national security speech. Pointing him out, the Pretender-in-chief said "William Gates" was on hand.

Perhaps the Muslim-in-chief Obama was thinking of Bill Gates, the Microsoft billionaire.

The SecDef, who goes by Bob, was also misidentified by the Radical-in-chief at a Pentagon ceremony on Tuesday.

Then, he was introduced as Ronald Gates.

Yeah...he and the president of "Goddamn America" are really close...

What a tool..

Obama -Traitor To The Constitution ?
Ever since Obam appeared on the political scene and Americans started swooning over him for his "Great Speeches". I have said that Socialism & The Constitution don't mix. Yes, Bush started the bailout spree and Obama just carried it to the point of anti Constitutional by making himself the Boss of the auto industry.
It will gey worse if "We The People" stop swooning of a "good speech"

Presidential Oath
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”


Can anyone truthfully say Obama is faithful in preserving and protecting the Constitution ?
Isn't this an impeachment offense to go against your oath to hold up the nations document of laws?

I think Obama never set foot in Mainland America until he went to college and then he got involved with Socialist Pigs.
I don't think he has ever held a job outside a interest group. As a Constitutional Lawyer , shouldnt he have professional knowlede about the constitution he keeps subverting? ,


Obama Doesn't Know the SECDEFs Name 2

You've got to see this video of Obumbo introducing his Cabinet members at his "national security" speech today!!

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/obama_recognizes_s ec_def_william_gates/

This just shows you how lame and unqualified this guy is. He can't even INTRODUCE 5 or 6 Cabinet officers without looking down at a paper to read EACH individual name!!

Then to top it off, he calls Robert "Bob" Gates, his Secretary of DEFENSE! William Gates.

He's making a PREPARED SPEECH on "National Defense" and he doesn't even know his Secretary of Defense's NAME!!

Can you IMAGINE if this had been George W. Bush who had done this?!!

Saturday Night Lib, David Leatherman, and Gay Leno would have had a field day with the sheer ironic comedy of the stupidity of a president's giving a MAJOR PREPARED SPEECH on "Defense," and not even KNOWING his Defense Secretary's name.

However, as we all know, he'll get a pass on this and they'll be gearing all their "jokes" towards making fun of Cheney.

Talk about Guantamo being a terrorist recruitment tool?!

Forget Gitmo!

This "President" is a walking talking terrorist recruitment tool.


Obama Speaks - America Pays!
Obama, what a buffoon! We are about to move detainees out of a perfectly fine, $200M state of the art facility manned by the finest military on earth, for no other reason than to satiate obama's ego!!!

What's next, sending Airforce One out on a photo-op junket on a whim? Oh, yeah, we already did that, too!

This clown has got to go!

One Big - A.. Mistake, America!!!

Was Obama elected Dictator?

Congress voted NOT to close Gitmo.
Refused to allocate funds for closing Gitmo.
Obama is closing Gitmo anyway and moving dangerous Islamists into our prison system so they can proselytize, possibly by force and create more domestic terrorists like those who have just been arrested.

Gov't vs. private enterprise
By & large I agree with Elder's argument, but there are exceptions.
For example, the Peace Corps has done an outstanding job on the cheap for 48 years. The job that the Peace Corps has done is not one attractive to private enterprise. Nor could private enterprise do the job as effectively as gov't.

Don't approve of the Peace Corps? Tough! As said above, it has proven to be popular, effective and inexpensive to operate for nearly half a century. Had it not been, president after president and Congress after Congress wouldn't have supported it.

Also, think mercenaries could do a better job of manning our armed forces than Uncle Sam? If so, goes to show you've never worn the uniform.

Lilly
You need to bend over and let Dr Douglass sneak up from behind and do what he does best, good luck with that........Cheers

Dr. Douglas, AKA the Retired Prof:
The threshold for higher taxes is now down to $104,000.

Yes, he is trying to socialize medicine. Read his plan. It undercuts private insurance with a government plan. BTW, you want to see government run health care go to a VA hospital.

I'd say hiring and firing CEOs, deciding which dealerships get closed, determining who should get bonuses, and tacitly supporting Waxman's bill to set salary levels is a pretty fair indicator of his desire to take over business.

Who Needs Charity??
The nations richest billionaires had a private meeting this week. Probably to discuss what the Obama Tax Plan is going to do to them. These are my replies to them and to all:

"Who needs the Rich and Who Needs Charitable Agencies?? Obama is going to turn the country into One Big Charitable Orgainzation with an Agency or Department complete with dozens of Czars who are going to take care of everybody's needs. There will be no more need for anybody to work at all. Obama is Going to Succeed With Utopia, even though the USSR, Great Britain, France and numerous other Socialist Countries have already tried it and Failed. But, Obama, the Messiah, is going to Miraculously Make Utopia Work. Everybody is going to be Rich and Have Every one Of Life's Needs Met, thanks to Obama, the Messiah and his Great Works. And, of course, he is going to pay for it with Worthless Paper Money that is being Spewed out of the U.S. Treasury Printing Presses, day and night and by borrowing from All of The United States's Enemies, such as Communist China.

And, of course what I just said is what The Average Idiot that Voted for Obama believes. But, of course, Oprah, Bill Gates and these other Billionaires know better, and they also will be Giving Less, since Obama has Reduced the Amount of Tax Deductions these Billionaires can claim under the Rob The Rich, Give To The Poor Scheme. And, of course, Obama wants Less Charitable Giving so that more Constituents He can Recruit To Be Dependent on Government Welfare/Charity. Obama is after Power, and he is Greedy For Power, and that is his Driving Force. Greed for Power and Individual Recongnition as Savior."

Globug writes:

Presidential Oath
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”


Can anyone truthfully say Obama is faithful in preserving and protecting the Constitution ?
Isn't this an impeachment offense to go against your oath to hold up the nations document of laws?
=======================

If we had a US Congress that had respect for the Law and the Constitution, the obama would already be being impeached.

Just look at the cover-up going on over such a simple thing as a birth certificate.

This guy obama is probably not even a legal US Citizen under the requirements of the Law that address his Indonesian Citizenship.

There is no record of him available of following the law he was under upon turning of age.

Nor are any records available, no more thna his birth certificate.

This man is a fraud and a scam artist who scorns the very people who look up to the man.

Just all all con artists, they hold their victims in contempt

Ditto Judith in Colorado
Obama is a Wannabe King. In Obama's conceited and delusional mind, he is the prettiest, brightest and most wonderful thing that ever put on a pair of pants.

Obama is a classic narcissist, which is one of the most dangerous individuals in the world. A narcissist cannot and will not tolerate any criticism, and when criticized directly, will lose control.

His handlers and Puppet Masters know this about Obama's Mental Illness, and that is why they will never allow him unleashed to face reporters who ask real questions. Every event he seems to be Attending, is in actuality, a Staged Event and his Script has be prepared in advance for the Tele-Prompter Reading. He is a good actor as long as his script is Clear and as long as the Questioners Are Handled and Picked In Advance by his handlers.

If anybody can ever get Obama one-on-one and challenge him and point some legitimate criticism at him, he would explode and show his true personality and feelings. He is seething with hatred and resentment for everybody, especially of high achievers. Obama has never achieved anything in his life on his own. He has had handlers and supporters all his life who were grooming this Narcissist for the position he now holds. They knew they could get Any and All of their Socialist Plans passed with Obama at the Helm, as they know he will never challenge anything put before him to Read and Sign. The Powers That Be are not Obama, He is merely Their Puppet.

BHO
He was elected. Apparently, over half of the population is weary of free market capitalism (which built this country), liberty, and especially freedom. I, by the way, am not one of them. Americans will now eat what liberals want them to, keep their thermostats where they are told, and drive what the gov't provides for purchase, and practically every other aspect of our lives, OR pay dearly. Once again, this sucks.

Obama is a Dangerous Fool!!
A sure sign of a fool is somebody who pretends to know everything, and will never admit any faults. And, of course, people who believe this way are seriously mentally ill. They suffer from Delusions of Grandeur which is the Thought Process of a Narcissist. A Narcissist loves himself at the exclusion of all others. This is the problem with Obama that make him the most dangerous man in America, if not the world.

In his own mind, he believes himself smarter than everybody in the USA and in the World. This is a very serious mental defect.

One of the problems with Obama as well, is the fact that he hates High Achievers, and He hates Jews, especially. If you watched his meeting with the Israeli Prime Minister this week, he totally turned away from the man, and would not even look him in the eye, and even when he would turn toward the Prime Minister, he kept his eyes lowered. Obama's posture was that of a man who Loathed the Prime Minister, and the reason for Obama's Loathing was that the Prime Minister of Israel is Jewish. Obama's heart is with the Muslims. Witness his bowing and swooning when he was in the presence of the King Of Saudi Arabia, who is the Head Figure of the Muslims in the Muslim World.

Obama would love to release these Gitmo Prisoners into our Federal Prison System. The U.S. Prison system is already a breeding ground for Muslims. This is not only true in federal prisons, but also in state prisons. Islam is not the peaceful religion that Obama tries to tell us. Islam has one aim and that is to Convert All to Islam or Kill By the Sword, all those who refuse to Convert.

Americans better wake up and realize who and what Your President Truly Is.

Obama
Grayhawk has hit the nail on the head. More eyes MUST be opened to see this reality.We must speak louder and more often and VOTE.

Not into calling people names
but Obama has caused so much turmoil in this country. We have always been a Democratic Republic and evolved as a capilistic society based on individual entrepanualship. We have now entered into the Marxist Socialist direction of Obama. We need to finally stop and recognize that this is not the direction that we the people need to be going.

Let us now unite and bring about the change that is really necessary to make our country strong again. Get involved in a tea party in July. Although people felt the need for a change...this isn't it. Rally aroung the 2010 election and begin to return our country to the conservative nature that all of us remember growing up under.

Change, Transparency!!
Grayhawk hit the nail and Sharon slammed the hammer down the same head. VOTE! More than 50% of Americans voted for change, transparency, hope. Based on those votes in 2006, the Democratic Congress got a Democratic President and that American vote got more taxes, government control of American Automakers, a proposed health plan that will cost more with less care, and fuel regulations that prohibit drilling offshore so deep that it is cost prohibitive and is not what "Drill Now" intended and the last Administration tried to support....did support, but that has now been recinded. Larry Elder is correct and supports his editorial. Obama is moving America toward socialism/communism, this must stop. Americans love this country and putting their children and/or grandchildren into trillions of dollars of debt, not withstanding the healthcare debacle, is not what 90% of Americans want. Read, learn and vote! We will get what we for!

Dougie
That "liar-liar-pants-on-fire; dishonest" song is wearing a bit thin. How someone as intellectually deficient as you could have made it into higher academia is beyond me. You would have lasted about a week in my department, if anyone else could have stomached putting up with you for that long. You are a disgrace to the profession.

Hey Sage
After becoming a libertarian in largel part from your influence, it saddened me to see the direction you've taken.

To each their own, but I don't get it. You say you want to influence the GOP from the inside yet you Shun and shy away form Ron Paul.

I don't get it.

Obama as a Marxist
To No. 143: Yes Obama has nationalized a lot of things in just a few months like the auto industry, the credit card industry, the banks, insurance companies, financial institutions, and in the future, the coal industry, the oil industry, the atomic energy industry (he'll wipe these three out over time and has said so), and is going after the health industry.

Ironically, a year ago, I was accurately quoted in the Washington Post (I almost had another heart attack when I saw it) when I said that "Obama was raised in a Marxist-rich environment" and that it "had to have an affect on his world-view."

Thanks for giving me some company Larry. I don't feel like the Maytag repair man any more.

Remember...
"...the day the music died?" Well this appears to be the day that comedy died. Are all the comedians in hiding? I mean where are they? I can't imagine the field day of yucks they'd be having if Bush was giving a speech on national defense and he got the name of Secretary of Defense, of all people, wrong. All I know is that in other Marxist/Communists states, no one made fun of their dictators either. So I guess it's official then, we are now a Socialist/Communist state now that no one dares to make a disparaging remark against our Great Illustrious Leader.

If I were a cabinet member
in Obama's administration I would feel very uncomfortable and not a little nervous about my position if the man can't introduce us without looking at his notes for every single name. I get the feeling none of these folks is very important to Obama and he's probably thinking of relacements already. Of course, this may be just a sign that nobody is very important to Obama but Obama. He does display all the classic symptoms of a narcissist...in love with himself and extremely touchy about any form of criticism. I still want to know where all the comedians are hiding.

Kudos Mr. Elder
As always Larry Elder presents the facts...but no one cares that our GREAT USA is going to hell in hand-basket!!
Mr. Elder would you please run for public office, we need a voice of reason and a great debater against tyranny in the current government!

Squealing Liberals
As soon as I saw the headline of Mr.Elders' column,I knew it woult hit the fan! Sure enough the libs started squealing like stuck pigs!

They have all the trappings of marxists/socialists and would no doubt be pleased to live under communism if their leader could be Csar Obama.

They are just not ready to call a spade a spade. They are 'progressives'.. just ask them.
A rose by any other name is still a rose. A commie by any other name is still a commie.

Obama is Anti-American
Having watched the recent meeting with our Communist and Anti-Semitic President, Barack Hussein Obama, and the Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu (sp?) it is obvious that Israel cannot expect any support from the USA as long as Obama is president.

Obama would not even look the PM in the eye when talking to him, and in fact, had his whole body turned away from him when they were meeting. This did not go unnoticed by the Israeli PM, he stared Obama down with eyes like daggers, and was thinkng, " You Muslim SOB, we know whose side you are on."

Obama went to Saudi Arabia and bowed to the Saudi King and kissed his Muslim Leadership Ring, and then snubs the Israeli PM. Obama does not represent this country or the sentiments of the majority of the United States Citizens.

Obama must be exposed for the Anti-American and Anti-Semite that he and his followers are.

Obama is a disgrace to this nation, and Americans had better wake up and realize the MSM and the Lunatic Left with support from Limo Liberals like Oprah Winfrey, and the Wall Street Hucksters, elected a Dictator.

We, the American People, will not allow this nation to become a Socialist Dictatorship. The No Vote in California on taxes this week is just the beginning of the revolt that Obama and Company are about to witness as citizens of this country take back our Constitution and Our liberties, one state at a time.

Anti-American (2)


Obama is a disgrace to this nation, and Americans had better wake up and realize the MSM and the Lunatic Left with support from Limo Liberals like Oprah Winfrey, and the Wall Street Hucksters, elected a Dictator.

We, the American People, will not allow this nation to become a Socialist Dictatorship. The No Vote in California on taxes this week is just the beginning of the revolt that Obama and Company are about to witness as citizens of this country take back our Constitution and Our liberties, one state at a time. We still have States Rights, in spite of how Dictatorial Obama and the US Congress become. We are telling Obama and The Congress Hell No, we Will Not Go Socialist. The TEA parties are just the beginning of what we in America are going to do to take back our nation, one town, one county, one state at a time. Any local, county, state or national politician that Supports Obama is on the list to Be Voted Out Of Office. If you are a politician and in any way support Obama and his Schemes to Destroy the USA, your days in power are numbered. You will be voted out of office. We have already started targeting politicians in Alabama who are incompetent, corrupt and supportive of Socialism and Obama, and they will face some real opposition in upcoming elections. Obama's popularity is not real, but is the Creation of Biased Polls being conducted by Obama's Drooling and Dishonest reporters and pollsters in the Main Stream Media.

General Electric, the parent company of NBC and CNBC and MSNBC, are corrupt and they are on board with the Obama Takeover, because GE expects to make Billions from the Obama Government as they push Green Technology while Destroying our Energy Companies with Cap And Trade.

This scam is not going to work. Boycott NBC and GE if you love this country and hate Socialism and Corruption and General Dishonesty.

Obama is Anti-American (2)


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Obama is a disgrace to this nation, and Americans had better wake up and realize the MSM and the Lunatic Left with support from Limo Liberals like Oprah Winfrey, and the Wall Street Hucksters, elected a Dictator.

We, the American People, will not allow this nation to become a Socialist Dictatorship. The No Vote in California on taxes this week is just the beginning of the revolt that Obama and Company are about to witness as citizens of this country take back our Constitution and Our liberties, one state at a time. We still have States Rights, in spite of how Dictatorial Obama and the US Congress become. We are telling Obama and The Congress Hell No, we Will Not Go Socialist. The TEA parties are just the beginning of what we in America are going to do to take back our nation, one town, one county, one state at a time. Any local, county, state or national politician that Supports Obama is on the list to Be Voted Out Of Office. If you are a politician and in any way support Obama and his Schemes to Destroy the USA, your days in power are numbered. You will be voted out of office. We have already started targeting politicians in Alabama who are incompetent, corrupt and supportive of Socialism and Obama, and they will face some real opposition in upcoming elections. Obama's popularity is not real, but is the Creation of Biased Polls being conducted by Obama's Drooling and Dishonest reporters and pollsters in the Main Stream Media.

General Electric, the parent company of NBC and CNBC and MSNBC, are corrupt and they are on board with the Obama Takeover, because GE expects to make Billions from the Obama Government as they push Green Technology while Destroying our Energy Companies with Cap And Trade.

This scam is not going to work. Boycott NBC and GE if you love this country and hate Socialism and Corruption and General Dishonesty.

Greyhawk
Thank you for your posts. We are living in perilous times. Too many good citizens have been mislead by the left-wing media for years.

There are millions of people who foolishly look to the media to do their jobs and to tell them the unbiased truth about important happenings.They have been failed,miserably.

These naive citizens will soon go like sheep to the slaughter,never knowing what has happened while they were 'sleeping'.

There are millions of others who know full well what this administration is up to and agree with the left turn that has been taken.They are the shepherds who are leading the sheep to the slaughter.

They are eagerly waiting for the socialist/Marxist leader in Washington to take them into that 'Brave New World' of government/union domination.

Once Always a Marine-IL Nails It!!~
Once again, Marine, U'r right on the mark!! Good Job!!
And for the Poster who thinks anyone who thinks Obama is a Marxist Is "truly Nutty or ignorant"-THANK YOU!! I not only think he's a Marxist but I'm virtually certain the Gentleman is quite DELUDED in more than one area..
I only hope WE THE PEOPLE (sane ones, that is)can contain this mess until '10 Elections and the Get His Majesty back to his *Organizing* JOB..CHEERS

Thanks, Larry Elder.
For saying the words many of us have been thinking for a long time. Marxist. Barack Obama was raised by Marxists, his mentor in Hawaii when he was a young boy was a Marxist and his friends in Chicago are all radical Communists or Marxists. The liberal media and the far left-wing nutwads put this guy in power and we are stuck with him until 2012. He can do a lot of damage to our economy during the next 3 plus years and I am truly frightened for my country, for the first time. 911 was also a very frightening time but we knew who the enemy was. The enemy within is always much more frightening and dangerous. And I do consider Barack Hussein Obama an enemy of the Constitution and Rule of law, therefore he is an enemy to this country.

Ditto Roy in WV
Obama is a Dangerous, Anti-American, Radical.

He is selling this country out to kooks, weirdos, and Corporate Hucksters, as well. His Green Energy Cap and Tax Policy is guaranteeing higher energy costs for all of us who actually pay our own bills, while putting hundreds of billions into General Electric, who owns MSNBC and all their affiliates, and also his policies are putting hundreds of billions into T Bone Pickens Enterprises, a company that Nancy Pelosi and her Family are Heavily Invested in.

Our stimulus money is also being funnelled to UAW and other Unions, while the US government destroys GM and Chrysler as corporations.

And, all this Bush Bashing and Gitmo talk, is just a distraction while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd and the other Obama Co-Conspirators destroy this nation by nationalizing socialized medicine, pushing amnesty for tens of millions of criminal invaders of this nation, and nationalizing our banks and other businesses.

Americans better turn off the TV's and not pay attention to the Distractors that Obama and MSM are spewing 24-7, and get on the phones, emails and faxes to tell the White House and congress that We do not want Socialism in any form and we are sick and tired of hearing what Was Wrong With Bush, and start hearing what they are going to do. Obama loves to make I statments about what He is going to do. This man is an arrogant Serial Liar who is destroying this nation, and we cannot just stand by and listen to this Lying Fool 24-7 read his teleprompter telling us how evil Bush-Cheney are and how he and the Communists In Charge are going to Re-Distribute America's Wealth.

Thanks Rowly
Thank you Rowly for you kind and encouraging words. You guys on here do a great job of exposing The Obama Regime and the MSM and Limo Liberals for what they truly are. It is a shame that we citizens now have to work our butts off to find out the truth and cannot believe One Word that the So-Called News Media tells us, and know that we have a Serial Liar as president.

But, many millions of Americans are not ignorant and realize that the MSM and Obama are all in bed together and are doing nothing but spreading lies and propaganda. The ignorant people who believe them are mostly one of two groups. One group is dependent on government Socialism in the form of Welfare Payments and therefore Love Obama and Socialism, because it benefits them financially, and the other group are the Leftist Ideologues such as Marxists, ACLU, ACORN, and most all the MSM and the Hollywood Establishment. Most people today do not know that Hollywood was filled with Godless, amoral communists as early as the 1950's, and today, there is no accountability or decency in Hollywood. Witness the TV sitcoms that are prepared for family viewing. These sitcoms that are presented for families would have been R rated 30 or 40 years ago, and you would have had to be an adult and go to the movies to see such spectacles of disgusting topics and displays of indencency, and the MSM try and convince us that these type Amoral and Abnormal movies and topics are Normal and Natural. We live in an Upside Down Country, and the MSM and the Obama Adiminstration is shoveling Lies and Propaganda day and night to insure they can Drive Socialism Down Our Throats while We discuss Trivialities that they Set the Agenda with.
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