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Thursday, May 08, 2008
Larry Elder :: Townhall.com Columnist
Recession, Recession, Where's the Recession?
by Larry Elder
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"It's a recession," said former President Harry Truman, "when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours."

For people facing home foreclosure, job loss or the struggle of paying high gas prices, the definition a recession seems immaterial and insignificant. True.

But during an election year, the media's constant use or expectation of "recession" does matter. Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic Party's likely nominee, already considers the U.S. economy "in a recession."

So are we -- at least as economists commonly define the term?

No -- not even close.

But a recent typical news wire story, however, goes like this: "(George W.) Bush's news conference … appeared to be a pre-emptive measure of sorts, as it came a day before the release of statistics on the nation's gross domestic product for January through March. The common definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of declining GDP and many expect Wednesday's report to provide the first official confirmation of a slide."

Well, case closed.

Yes, economists generally define a recession as two or more consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. The National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), the nonpartisan organization the government uses to determine economic cycles, defines a recession as a period of sustained negative economic growth -- with GDP its most important variable.

Have we had a period of "sustained negative economic growth" since the end of the 2001 recession? No.

Last week, the government released two important figures: GDP growth (or lack thereof) for the first quarter of this year, and the number of jobs created (or lack thereof) for the month of April. Now, let's examine the reporting the day before and the day of the released figures.

The day before the released GDP report, a headline in USA Today read, "USA TODAY survey: We're in a recession, economists say." The first two sentences read as follows: "The U.S. economy is in recession, or soon to be in one. … Two-thirds of the 52 economists polled said the U.S. economy is in recession."

This USA Today we're-in-a-recession story showed a graph with the 52 economists' predictions. They (incorrectly) predicted 0.1 percent economic growth for the first quarter, 0.5 percent negative growth for the second, with positive growth for the next four quarters at 2.3, 2.0, 2.2 and 2.6 percent respectively. But they never bothered to show the growth in the last quarter of 2007, while anemic, was still a positive 0.6 percent. In other words, assuming the traditional definition of recession -- back-to-back quarters of negative economic growth -- even USA Today's economic experts were not truly predicting a recession.

The next day, the actual number for this year's first quarter came out.

Oops. USA Today's Web site headline for an Associated Press story read: "Weak 0.6 percent economic growth in Q1 is better than forecast." In English, this means that since the recovery began in Bush's first year in office, we have had zero quarters of negative economic growth, let alone consecutive ones.

Now, on to last week's jobs numbers.

The day before the Labor Department released the numbers, The Associated Press warily wrote: "Investors are predicting another gloomy reading on U.S. employment on Friday. The Labor Department's report is expected to show a 75,000 net loss in jobs for April … and a rise in unemployment to 5.2 percent from 5.1 percent in March." So, what happened?

Oops. In April, the economy lost 20,000 jobs. Nothing to throw a parade about, but far fewer than the economic "experts" predicted. And of unemployment? Well, the rate fell from 5.1 percent to 5.0 percent. This forced The Associated Press to grudgingly concede that, well, maybe things aren't quite as bad as we thought: "The latest snapshot of the nationwide employment conditions -- while clearly still weak -- was better than many economists were anticipating. They were bracing for job cuts of 75,000 and for the unemployment rate to climb to 5.2 percent. The unemployment rate … fell to 5 percent from 5.1 percent in March. That survey showed more people finding employment than those who didn't."

But now, here comes a knuckleball. Since the economic news failed to match the predicted gloominess, The Associated Press moved the goal post. "Under one rough rule," the AP wrote, "if the economy contracts for six straight months it is considered to be in a recession. That didn't happen in the last recession -- in 2001 -- though."

It didn't?

No, the 2001 recession, according to the NBER, did not show two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth -- it had three.

By October of 1992, when President George Herbert Walker Bush ran for re-election against Bill Clinton, the economy was 18 months into a recovery. But as Investor's Business Daily noted, 90 percent of the newspaper stories on the economy were negative. Yet the following month, when Clinton defeated Bush-41, suddenly only 14 percent of economic news stories were negative!

But only a cynic would suggest a liberal media bias. And you know me better than that.

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Recession talk
I remember right before Bush took office he mentioned or someone else said it looks like a recession is coming upon us. The media immediately cried that he talked us into a recession. Now, it seems like the last four or more years the media has been talking about a recession taking place but it has not happened yet. Can the media or liberals explain that?

How about that recession Larry???
Oops! (You're so funny.) LOL

Great article Mr. Larry Elders.

When will they ever learn? (The MSM, I mean.)

Oops...
I mean Mr. Larry Elder

Job Growth in America
Is in Government and retail/wholesale sales
The Government is not effected by a depression or a recession anyway.
They have all the money they want to spend and pay for new hires by simply printing the "money" off to pay for all this.
That is inflating the "dollar" which are not US Dollars, which are still Silver, but are Federal Reserve Banking Notes, all bearing interest.
What a moronic system it all is, except for Government and Bankers.


Mr Elder writes:
" Now, on to last week's jobs numbers."

None of your comments even address the real problem Mr Elder. Inflation
None of your article means a thing as to the real story.


The Federal Reserve Notes are being devalued seriously.
Many are dumping them, and it is going to get worse, not better
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article3324.html



Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan’s first term.

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/080408_economy.htm
Government employs 22,387,000 Americans, 8,744,000 more than manufacturing. Even the category leisure and hospitality employs 13,682,000 Americans, slightly more than manufacturing. There are as many waitresses and bartenders as production workers.

Wholesale and retail trade employ 21,467,000 Americans. Professional and business services employ 18,036,000 Americans of which 8,368,000 are in administrative and waste services. Education and health services employ 18,699,000 Americans.

Financial activities employ 8,228,000 Americans. The information sector employs 3,010,000. Transportation and warehousing employ 4,532,000. Construction employs 7,338,000, and natural resources, mining and logging employ 751,000. Other services such as repair, laundry, and membership associations employ 5,516,000 Americans.


Thanks, Mr. Elder
For putting it into perspective. Again.

I'm pretty sure that by the time the newspapers start reporting about a recession, it means we've been out of it for at least three months.

The last recession ended in November of 2001. That's 28+ quarters of GDP growth. Doesn't sound that bad to me.

Here's the chart from the Bureau of Economic Analysis:

http://useconomy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&s dn=useconomy&cdn=newsissues&tm=20&gps=146_25_1020_551&f=00& tt=12&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.bea.gov/newsreleases/rels. htm

Krugman
Paul Krugman's been predicting a recession for the last 5 years. Every few months, he says "This time, it's really going to happen -- it's right around the corner." Maybe one of these days he'll be correct. And will the media call him on the carpet and say that he's wrong more times than he's right? Of course not. He'll say in his opinion piece "See, I was right -- I predicted a recession." What a hack. Keep up the good work, Larry.

It wouldn't be an election year.........
......without the left screaming, "The sky is falling!!" Economic "crisis", enviromental "crisis", healthcare "crisis", Social Security "crisis".....and all we have to do is vote for, and give up all say so (except abortion) to the left and all these problems will disappear.....along with half your paycheck. It never ceases to amaze me how short sighted we are. In every election in my adult life, when the left is trying to usurp power...the socialist media does it's part to help by forecating the end of day unless we elect Democrats. Mysteriously, the country still moves forward.

Larry
"Most economist generally consider 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth"."Most economist traditionally consider",should have been your statement.Americans, tell the world,how little they understand about economics, in their first 2 or 3 comments.Not one person,on TH, would have been able to understand the need for "Context".Economically speaking,many state and local governments are more than 60 days past due on their bills.This might help to define this variety of "Recession".Out of KINDNESS, I will omit telling you how close "US" came to a depression,just a few months ago.Economics is not your "Strong" suit.

Lies are the MSM's truth
Up until the election of Klinton I thought the right's accusation of glaring media bias was overstated, to say the least. Yeah, there was the repeated whitewash of the bimbo eruptions, but I thought that tangental to the political contest. What really stood out for me - the epiphany - was just weeks before the election, the financial numbers came out showing the nation was in a marked recovery from the mild downturn (which was being heralded as the worst economy in 50 years -remember?). The recovery was reported as too little, too late, and the figures brought into question. The crowning partisan moment was following the President's speech on these FACTS (sorry, no itialics on the board, no) the paid liar-in-chief of the news had the gall to introduce a segment contradicting those same facts with anecdotal sound bites and quotes from left of Stalin hacks as a 'reality check.'

One more time
Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?

Ronald Reagan asked it when he was running for president and I am asking it now.

Could it be that politicians have massaged the figures so thoroughly with creative assumptions, that the country will never "officially" be in a recession ever again? This goes for Dems as well as the current GOP fiasco.


Yes I am
Bleeding heart liberal---yes I am better off now than I was eight years ago.

killer
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and you are proving Larry's point -- when you don't like the numbers the way they are normally interpreted, you come up with new definitions. Just like Kerry did -- when the traditional "misery index" (the sum of inflation + unemployment rates) wasn't bad enough for him to beat Bush on, he came up with a new one that included cherry-picked items that all looked bad. So killer, please tell me what a) the standard definition of a "depression" is by economists, and b) what YOUR definition is, since we apparently came so close to it a few months ago.

killer knows all
right is its own defense why would you want to question a very mild assertion that we just missed a depression a few months ago. If killer says it it must be true.

It was probably only by the work of killer himself that saved us all from economic disaster! When killer speaks all must listen or his name might become reality!

killer one question. What the heck does state and local gov being over 60 days past due on their bills have to do with anything? Gov overspending and not paying their bills is as old as gov itself! As Ronal R said government is the second oldest profession and has alot in common with the oldest! You think you're getting something but you're really getting screwed!

killer
Depression? Clearly you know nothing about the economy or even how to define the terms. Find anyone who lived through the great depression and have a sit down with them. There are still a few of them out there. They will tell you flat out that we have not come anywhere close to that disaster in our recent economic woes.

killer
You may want to look at this:

http://economics.about.com/cs/businesscycles/a/depressions. htm

It's hard to fathom how we could have been so close to a depression unless you have your own unique definition, which I think is what's going on here.

On another note, I do have to say that I'm glad you wrote what you did -- it gives me more of that wonderful "context" that you love, so that now I know whenever I see a post from you, I can skip right past it because it's nonsense. Sanity and objectivity apparently are not your "strong" suits. Neither is using quotation marks appropriately. Thanks for playing.

Economists . . .

























. . . have correctly predicted ten out of the last three recessions, all of which are Bush's fault.















Me,too!
I'll say it again...We didn't have much savings and yep we owe some debt, have a house and 4 kids. We were unemployed for 18 months and collected no unemployment. Or food stamps or welfare. But, we managed to pay our bills all the same and even got to take our annual trip, because I saved. Things were certainly tight, and I would not say we suffered. I had to pau for our own helath insurance, too. 436 bucks a month. That meant no more monthly jaunts to see the elders of the family in CT, no restaurants once a month.
We are still better off than the dumbassses who bought too much house, and took on the extra debt to keep up with the Jones'. How stupid were they to believe they could stretch what they didn't really have?
Well, the retirement may not be making oodles of money but, I suspect that when the house is paid for, we'll still be okay. It is called money management. if you can't pay for it with cash, don't buy it. If know you don't have it, don't spend it.
Plan for the unexpected.

I'm better off.
And I'll be better off 8 years from now, unless I'm oppressed by socialists.

Lesson
Do you remember "Bear Stern"?If you do then you should understand, that it represented a "Lynch-pin",in the financial markets.If Bear had failed, there would have been a Cascade of bank failures.Americans still don't take into account, the fact that this is now a "Global" economy.Which is why, Saddam knew how to destroy it.I know that hard for most to understand,but it is true.Since 1930 the government has been the main source of economic activity.Therefore, the health of local and state governments are very important.The proper "Context",for today's economic discussions, must always be established first, before any meaningful purpose can be addressed.The definition does not have to change,but when the characteristics change,the question of definition becomes "MOOT".You see the way it works is;The train moves not the station.

killer
Nothing you have written changes anything, and not a single word you put quotes around needed quotes. Do you "understand" that?

Killer, You are not alone.
You commented on Bear Stearns and how it could have effected the global economy. Just the other day I was sitting in a large conference room listening to a well known economist who discussed this same topic. He agreed that had Bear Stearns been allowed to fail, it could have had a domino effect on other large banks and caused significant damage to the global economy. In his view this liquidity crisis that banks faced in the recent past has now been mostly mitigated. In other words, the rescue of Bear Stearns by the Bush Administration has saved the worlds economy.

Hooray for Bush! Oops, I forgot. Anything positive that has happened in the past seven years happened in spite of Bush. Everything negative that has occured is all Bush's fault, regardless of whether the government had anything to do with it.

HEY LARRY, HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE?
Obviously, Larry makes enough so he doesn't feel the pinch at the grocery store...oops... fancy restaraunt. The economy "grew" .6% because we're now paying $100 for $87 worth of goods.

We can "congratulate" Pres. Bush for overtaking Jimmy Carter for worst of all time. Not only do we have Iraq "war", but now we have snowballing inflation, and non-allies getting obscenely rich.

All I seem to do is go to work, pay the bills (thank Goodness) and get depressed about the inflation camouflaged recession. The more manufacturing capacity we see leaving our shores, the worse it will get long term. I doubt all the money we send to the Chinese for goods will see US income tax, sales tax, nor social security contributions. That money should be on American workers paychecks to generate cynergies for our economy. Our world stature continues to diminish. Unless your congressperson runs unopposed or has an opponent with the IQ of a 10th grader, DON'T re-elect them!

Killer
The only way it would matter if the bills are being paid 60 days late is if at the end of the last study they were current. MANY gov and businesses in general run 60 days out. That's quite typical and normal.

So, provide proof that they were CURRENT as of the end of the LAST reports and provide proof that it has changed as of this report to being 60 days out. That's the only way it would actually effect the numbers.


Joyyyy
Proof? From killer? hahahahahahaha. Are you new here?

better off
I am better of than 8 years ago! I do not have the security that I might want but I have taken risks. these risk are now starting to bear fruit. My opinion is that the news media do not know a thing about economics or politians for that matter. I'll go even further and say that economists don't know jack either! If they did they would be in a postion making money and providing jobs for folks. What do I know I went to public school.

bleeding heart liberal
Hey, I'm also better off today than I was 8 years ago. And I expect to be even better off in the next 8 years IF we can keep our tax rate cuts in place. Of course, if we get Obama or Clinton, we can instead look forward to higher tax rates.

The highlight sentence from Larry Elder: "... since the recovery began in Bush's first year in office, we have had zero quarters of negative economic growth, let alone consecutive ones."

This is the result of a CONSERVATIVE FISCAL POLICY. Now all we need to do is add a conservative spending policy and we'll really be looking great.


I'm curious
How many of those here who assert they are better off now are earning 50k a year like most American families. I ask because everyone I know in that range is feeling very, very squeezed.

IBD = Dumb Conservatve Propaganda
How ironic, but typical, that Elder would site Investor's Business Daily for "facts" to prove MSM's liberal bias. IBD is so conservatively biased that statistics it provides in such matters are highly suspect, if not outright false. Yet Elder, being the good conservative propagandist he his, presents these "facts" as proof.
OK, Elder's thesis is MSM wants you to believe the economy's bad so we vote Democratic, yet conservative media (such as Fox)and propagandists want you to believe the economy's fine so we vote Republican. Who do you believe, the CEO of Bear Stearns who pocketed $61 million from selling off stock or the thousands of Bear Stearns employees who lost their jobs?

Speaking of IBD, the dufus who runs it is a moron about economics. I heard him once state that America's $9 trillion national debt was nothing to worry about for 2 reasons- 1. Because people's incomes go up over time, more taxes will be collected to help take care of the debt, even though the gov doesn't show any sign it will start paying off the debt. That's like telling a young person to go as deeply into debt as possible, don't pay off any debt, and keep getting further into debt because their income will grow in the future.
2. Our national debt is just part of the balance sheet that also contains assets- such as federally owned property (military bases, gov buildings, national parks/forests, and those assets are going up in value. He didn't give any figures that the assets' value offset national debt, let alone propose selling any of these assets (you know, sell San Diego Naval Base or The Grand Canyon) to pay off national debt. Nor did he mention % of national budget that goes to pay interest alone on national debt, let alone who holds much of that debt- like the Chinese.

bryce
I live in the CA Bay Area, so my income, while over $50K, isn't very meaningful because I also have higher costs than most families for just about everything.

However, I have a brother and a sister who make about $50K/yr and they also are doing better today than they were 8 years ago.

Why are you trying to change the subject? Mr. Elder is pointing out that (1) the national economy is NOT entering a recession, as traditionally defined and (2) the MSM continues to state that we are (or soon will be) in a recession in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

The fact that you or others "feel a squeeze" financially does not refute the fact that the US economy is growing and NOT IN RECESSION.

I pays to know who you're talking to. :)
right is its own defense writes: Thursday, May, 08, 2008 4:05 PM
Joyyyy
Proof? From killer? hahahahahahaha. Are you new here?

Er... sorta. lol (I didn't really expect a reply, at least not with facts or proof. Just wanted to call him on it)

I've been reading articles here a long time, but only reading comments and commenting for a short time. Does it help that I figured Wobbie out on the first day? :D

Most of them are pretty obvious.

Promises, promises
The Democrats have indicated that it has been a bad economy under George Bush. That means they are making the following promises when compared to the economy under Bush: lower inflation, lower unemployment and higher growth rate in the economy.

Lets see where it stacks up if they are elected.

Tibby

tibby
They also promised to lower gas prices if elected. And make paralyzed people walk. They know no shame.

Joyyyy
It is the rare lib that actually provides facts for their claims. Instead, you get statements like "Everybody knows..." or "It's obvious...." or the less-convincing "In my experience..." That's what killer's done here -- come up with his own definition of a recession so he can make a claim that we're in a recession. In response to him, I have my own definition of "idiot" that he fits pretty well.

We TH'sers on the right side are a little more forthcoming with facts and we appreciate those rare times when a lib actually has facts to support his/her position. We just wish it were more frequent.

promises, promises
This is the usual election year rhetoric from both parties. However, the more we buy from China, the more the Chinese will want a better lifestyle including the automobile. So, while Albert CHICKEN LITTLE Gore makes a fortune on what will amount to normal global weather cycles and we move to electric or hydrogen vehicles, a billion Chinese will more than offset any pollution decreases we have while driving up the cost of the barrel even more. We need to get back to the "Made in USA" labels on our products to see the cynergy of American paychecks, American income tax, Social Security contributions, Americans spending their paychecks and sales tax collected on those purchases. But alas, China, Russia, and those other non-allies continue to get rich from our poor domestic AND foreign policy blunders and owe foreign note holders wealthy.

NEW CONGRESS WANTED! Let's get some patriots making decisions before liberals and meek republicans shoot us down the tube!

joyyyy
I am always "PUZZLED" by Americans who think, that they understand economics.Do you know how to destroy this economy?I do!We are in a very insecure economic environment,especially in government.Why do you think,we have bailouts and stimulus packages.I will help you.We are trying to keep property values up,so as to protect the revenue stream of local and state governments.The federal government also benefits.The economics,which control this discussion,I will omit,since you are being advised by another economist."Right is it's own defense",is dumber than any fifth grader,when it comes to economics.But,what can you expect from someone,who ignores the most obvious of facts.Did they teach economics in the 50's?

killer
Oh my goodness, you're hilarious. I have a B.A., M.A., and Ph.D. in economics. You have provided absolutely zero facts about anything, only mindless blathering, and you're calling me stupid. That's rich.

Please don't spare us the "economics which control this discussion." Please give us all the facts that you've been withholding that apparently prove your point. Please, tell us the facts about how we were so close to a depression a few months ago. Can you back up a single thing you say? Didn't think so.

We have a stimulus package and expansionary monetary policy (lowering interest rates by the Fed) to keep OUTPUT up and UNEMPLOYMENT down. It's not about property values at all, you ignoramus.

P.S. I wasn't born until the 1970's.
P.P.S. The word is spelled "its" not "it's". I bet you mix up "your" and "you're" all the time, too, don't you? It's that attention to detail that makes you so believable in all the wild theories and "facts" you talk about.

Ok, I'm done. I have a final exam to proctor.

Recession?
I think I'll choose not to participate in a recession...here in the Good Old US of A, we have the freedom to make our own way...so far...

Bleeding Heart Liberal wrote:
"One more time
Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?"


Yes, I am. Thanks for asking.

right is its own defense
Please tell me that you don't honestly believe the Keynesian pump-priming garbage called the stimulus package is going to work, do you? That is to say: you don't think it will keep inflation and unemployment low, and you don't honestly think the stimulus package is really about those two. And please tell me that you understand the Fed's massive inflation from the late 1990s until late last year has destroyed the value of the dollar. Please tell me that you understand that last sentence because you understand the concept of marginal utility.

bryce, Bleeding Heart Liberal
bryce, I make under 50,000 (in education) per year.

I am much better off now than I was 8 years ago.

It has taken hard work, but my wife and I are now debt-free.

During the time we became debt-free, we put our 3 daughters through college.

Listen to Dave Ramsey. "Live today like no one else so that one day you can live like no one else."

Excellent Sage! Well Said.
For me, I am doing much better than eight years, ago.

knight
I think the Fed and Congress have both mismanaged this. The Fed's fueling inflation because it's too worried about unemployment above 5%, and this fiscal stimulus package is just taking money out of one end of the pool and pouring it into the other. So, no, I don't believe it will do much and I don't think it's a good idea.

knight (not much attitude tonight)
Before you cut and past too much from Wikipedia, why don't you enlighten everyone what the concept of marginal utility has to do with the rest of your post.

Made In The USA Is Not License To Steal
Gettingolderwiser offers, "We need to get back to the "Made in USA" labels on our products to see the cynergy of American paychecks, American income tax, Social Security contributions"

Well okay. Make something that I will buy. And, don't try to sell me a stupid T-shirt at a tariff protected price that any dummy can make for pennies. I will not support entitlement programs. We have enough of those!


Recession?
There certainly is in my state. Housing has collapsed and lot's of people are not working. Those who are aren't spending money.

http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/global_banking /the_twilight_of_irredeemable_debt_2008050890/

(Substitute fiat currency for irredeemable debt)

Perhaps the worst aspect of the regime of irredeemable debt is the lowest level of morals followed by governments in modern history. It is epitomized by an elaborate check-kiting (using a bad check to get money) conspiracy between the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve.

Treasury bonds, contrary to appearances, are no more redeemable than Federal Reserve notes. It’s all very neat: the notes are backed by the bonds, and the bonds are redeemable by the notes. Therefore each is valued in terms of itself, rather than by an independent outside asset. Each is an irredeemable liability of the US government. The whole scheme boils down to a farce. It is check-kiting at the highest level.

At maturity the bonds are replaced by another with a more distant maturity date, or they are ostensibly paid in the form of irredeemable currency. The issuer of either type of debt is usurping a privilege without accepting the countervailing duty. They issue obligations without taking any further responsibility for their fate or for the effect they have on the economy. Moreover, a double standard of justice is involved. Check-kiting is a crime under the Criminal Code. That is, provided that it is perpetrated by private individuals. Practiced at the highest level, check-kiting is the corner-stone of the monetary system.


America is finished. Our situation is worse than bad it is hopeless.

One's Problems Is Another's Opportunity!
Anna offers, "America is finished. Our situation is worse than bad it is hopeless."

Interesting.

From my end, my daughter is finally able to enter the housing market. She and her husband are buying one of those over-inflated homes that have now normalized.

Have you heard from those miserable farmers that were having their homes forclosed on about fifteen yearrs ago? Probably not. They are doing just fine. With the dollar finally meeting its real value in the world markets, their goods are in high demand all over the world. Asia is buying our crops faster than we can grow them.

Of course, since Congress decided that instead of finding and burning an otherwise useless product like oil, we are better off burning our food. Well, that didn't work out so well for us Consumers, but the farmers sure like it!

By the way, if inflation is a big player, how come gold has not moved an inch since January? It did move a lot when the dollar was normalizing this past year, but nothing this year.

Oh, and my 401K has halved the losses of the last 12 months. Something is working. Your hopeless is my hopeful.

and the band played on...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 56728

Bank reserves category goes negative
Fed: We are concerned but not alarmed


http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/28/business/lend.php

Credit flowing to American companies is drying up at a pace not seen in decades, threatening the creation of new jobs and the expansion of businesses, while intensifying worries that the economy may be headed for recession.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008 /03/31/cnfed131.xml

Fed eyes Nordic-style nationalisation of US banks


http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/ HowForeignersAreBuyingUpOurBanks.aspx

Big banks vulnerable to takeover
The fallout from reckless real-estate investments could usher in an era of 'reverse colonization,' when former emerging markets turn the tables on Western bankers. (Arabs apply Sharia to banking.)



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=QQJ5 EJRKLBA43QFIQMGCFFOAVCBQUIV0?xml=/money/2007/12/23/cccrisis 123.xml&page=2

Crisis may make 1929 look a 'walk in the park'



There are too many to post...but hey, don't worry be happy!




wheres the recession??????????
i just put 40 dollars worth of gas in my car for the second time this week.

my grocery bill is running 50 dollars more a week.

i have friends losing jobs all around me.

i have had to lay off 3 workers from my own business.

other than that, the bush recession is kicking our butts

Life Is What You Make Of It!
Anna offers, "Credit flowing to American companies is drying up at a pace not seen in decades, threatening the creation of new jobs and the expansion of businesses, while intensifying worries that the economy may be headed for recession."

Sounds like an old tune from a very old play list. Heck, I bet it was played before we were a nation, but, here we are, anyway.

There will always be those that are convinced that life is miserable with no hope and have empiracle evidence to prove it. Yet, success is still found by the stubborn masses that refuse to resign to it. I guess if you enjoy misery, it can be addictive. I wouldn't know.

As the old saying goes, those that say it can not be done become sightseers to those that do. Well, at least, you can enjoy your view!

Nothing from wiki, Husker2
Y'see: I know economics. I've read von Mises, Rothbard, Hazlitt, Hayek, and Hoppe.

Marginal utility is the idea that the more of something you have, the less you value any individual unit, and that you'll trade a unit based on the utility you think you'd receive from the actual use of the unit.

For instance: if you have 100 sticks of butter, you'd sell them for a lower price than if you had, say, 5, especially if demand is high and you want to use the butter, too.

Thus, the more money the fed has printed, the lower the overall value of the dollar is because there are just so many dollars out there that people no longer want them.

Now then: are you ever again going to question my knowledge of economics?

knight
Marginal utility is the extra utility from one more unit of something. You're specifically referring to the concept of "diminishing marginal utility" -- whereby the additional utility you get from something decreases at some point. What you're talking about in terms of money really has nothing to do with this. What you should be citing is the quantity theory of money, which states that if the velocity of money is constant and output is determined by resources in the long run, an increase in money supply simply results in an increase in prices, as each dollar becomes worth less: if the Fed were to double the money supply, all nominal prices and wages would double but nothing real would change. It would be the equivalent of doubling the amount of money available in a monopoly game, doubling the amount of money you start with, and giving you $400 when you pass go. The outcome would eventually be the same, but every property would cost twice as much. The value of the dollar is lower because their supply has increased -- but it doesn't really have anything to do with marginal utility.

OBAMA IS A LIAR THATS WHY!
still say hillary is going to show the entire country very soon she is the strongest candadate to run against maccain....obama cannot have my vote and im the exact kind of vote he has no idea or chance on getting....he will lose in the general election becuase of the thousands and thousands and thousands of people just like me who wont vote for that man if their life depended on it!!!

REAGON DEMOCRAT! AKA CLINTON DEMOCRAT!

if the democrats want a chance to have the white house he will be the worst candadate to run against maccain and will get crushed everywhere and in almost every state...we will not just embrace obama like the media says we will...i will literally vote mccain and not give it a second thought and so will millions do the same so im glad hillary is staying in this but i feel sorry for the democrats when the man they've been protecting like a 5 year old now for the last year will lose and then hillary will laugh at all of them for being so stupid!!


Optimism?
Our country is headed to economic collapse.

Do you feel optimistic about the North American Union and being just a province in the "new world order"?



“It is folly to underestimate the contempt that the Rockefeller Republicans have for the middle class, regarding it as a roadblock to their ability to make the money they should be able to make.

I believe that if the R. Republicans had their way, there would be a massive slave labor class that people would be born into, could not work their way out of, and die in. What better way to do this than by allowing unlimited numbers of illegal aliens to come and stay.”



Venting
I am feeling very disillusioned by the American people.
It is obvious that the press always wants the Democratic Party to win.
It's difficult not to notice.

But this is not what has changed.
Have the American people always been so heavily influenced by $$$$$.
According to John R Lott, Jr in Freedomnomics when woman began to vote social programs grew and therefor so did the government this was all to steal from the rich and middle-class to give to the poor which lined unmarried woman's pockets.
Are we all voting with lining our own pockets in mind?
Is that how low we are?
Ann Coulter said it depends on the DOW, up we vote incumbent party, down we vote opposing party.
Is this what we have become?
Listen up.
We are Americans which means we vote for the most trustworthy, God-fearing, freedom loving, wise and proven person our country can provide.

Both the Democrats and Republicans have failed.
They have given us extremely flawed candidates.
As Americans we do not vote for thieves, criminals or giant egos.
We are Americans and do not vote with the idea of lining our pockets.

We do not vote for a candidate who promises to raise taxes on the rich. That is not HOPE or CHANGE.
That is stealing.
We are not adversely affected by the rich getting richer. The poor do not become poorer when the rich become richer.
Markets go up Markets go down.
We do not choose a candidate based on our portfolio.
The weather gets hot the weather gets cold.
We live in a world of cycles.
We are not idiots.
The media obviously believes we are idiots.

Buy Prosperity?
Not possible
That is like trying to change the Law of Physics, but is exactly what the Federal Reserve Banking Thieves are all about.

Thieves?
YES!

They are thieves.

quote By Professor Antal E. Fekete
May 2, 2008

The debt delusion
It is a delusion to think that the government can splatter debt all over the economic landscape to cover up its warts, and reap everlasting prosperity as a result. The stimulation and leverage of debt has always caused stock markets to boom, so that the impact of debt was aided and magnified by the added paper wealth which, in turn, increased the propensity to spend and borrow still more.

right is its own defense
What I'm talking about for money has EVERYTHING to do with this. Sheesh--don't they teach you Austrian-school economics in college? Or do they just load you up with Keynesian garbage?

Let's hear it!
I've gotta give it up for liberals, talk about being consistent on all issues.

When the facts don't jive with what you FEEL, always go with what you FEEL. So, if you FEEL like we are in a Bush recession, then we must be. Right?

Here's where the consistancy comes in:

When asked how he would appoint judges to the appelate courts and even the supreme court, Obama proclaimed that he wanted judges who could FEEL what it was like in the defendants shoes. Who would consider that he grew up on the streets and gang-life was all he knew when he commited the crime. WAAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAA!

Excuse me, but what in the hell does how the judge FEELS have to do with the law. I guess about the same as how you FEEL financially has to do with the definition of a recession.

So can you liberals please keep your FEELINGS in your diaries and out of government?

Inelasticity
I was taught,that when you reduce the production of a product while increasing the price,it is called Inelasticity.Also,when Dr.Friedman taught money and velocity,it dealt with how and when money entered the market.The consistency of the money/product relationship was so elementary. Also to the DUMMY,with the PHD in economics.America is a "Debt" based economy.Translation;Your money supply is determined by your level of Debt.Remember the "Stimulus" package,it is not for you,it's to keep the economy "Awashed" in money so as to keep deflation out.Your students are dumber than you are,thanks in no small part, to you!!!Go to the Humanities department and someone explain to you,what I just said.Get that refund...
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