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Thursday, September 13, 2007
Larry Elder :: Townhall.com Columnist
Oprah's Great Black Hope
by Larry Elder
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Oprah Winfrey, talk show host/media powerhouse, wants Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., to become president. According to Winfrey, she bases her support not on politics, but because Obama's candidacy sends a message of "hope."

But Winfrey's own success belies the notion of a "hope" deficit in America.

Oprah, a black woman raised in poverty, now boasts an estimated television audience of 48 million every week. Oprah's monthly magazine, O, has a circulation of 2.3 million. Oprah earns an estimated $260 million a year, and tops Forbes' annual "Celebrity 100 Power List." Forbes magazine also ranks Oprah Winfrey as the 21st most powerful woman in the world. (The magazine places black Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at No. 4.)

Obama, raised in middle-class circumstances, was born to a white mother from Kansas who met and married his Kenyan father while attending the University of Hawaii. Barack Sr. left his wife and toddler son to pursue a graduate degree at Harvard. True, Obama's father abandoned his family, but a few years after Obama's mother remarried an Indonesian man and moved to Jakarta, 10-year-old Obama was sent to live with his white, middle-class grandparents in Hawaii. He attended the prestigious Punahou Academy, matriculated to the elite Occidental College in California and transferred to Columbia University. He then went to Harvard Law School, where he became the first black to serve as president of the Harvard Law Review.

Obama himself acknowledged his privileged background in his book, "Dreams from My Father." He chastised a black prep school friend who Barack thought was unreasonably angry, and urged his friend Ray to drop the angry black man act:

"Our rage at the white world needed no object, he seemed to be telling me, no independent confirmation; it could be switched on and off at our pleasure. Sometimes . . . I would question his judgment, if not his sincerity. We weren't living in the Jim Crow South, I would remind him. We weren't consigned to some heatless housing project in Harlem or the Bronx. We were in goddamned Hawaii. We said what we pleased, ate where we pleased; we sat at the front of the proverbial bus. None of our white friends treated us any differently than they treated each other. They loved us, and we loved them back. Shit, seemed like half of 'em wanted to be black themselves -- or at least Dr. J."

"Well, that's true," Ray would admit.

"Maybe we could afford to give the bad-assed n----- pose a rest. Save it for when we really needed it."

Now compare Obama's background to that of Oprah Winfrey. Winfrey, by contrast, was born to unwed teenage parents in Mississippi. She was raised by her grandmother until the age of 6, when she was sent to live with her mother in Milwaukee. She was raped by a cousin when she was 9, and later molested by a friend of her mother's and by an uncle. She never told anybody about the abuse, but repeatedly ran away and got into trouble. At 14, she gave birth to a boy, who died shortly after birth. An apparently out-of-control Oprah was sent to live with her father in Nashville. Her father, who had been serving in the armed forces at the time of her birth, enforced strict rules and discipline, including curfews and high grades in school. He required his daughter to read a book every week and write a book report on it.

Hope for minorities in America?

If black America were a separate country, its earned income was $679 billion in 2004. How many blacks know that blacks serve as CEOs for Time Warner, American Express and Merrill Lynch? Only 3 percent of registered voters said they could never vote for a black, and 4 percent said they could never vote for a woman. Care to name the most powerful star in America? Black actor Will Smith. The total worldwide box office of Smith's films exceeds $4 billion!

About Obama, Winfrey said, "I'm reading his book right now called 'The Audacity of Hope,' and I think his sense of hope and optimism for this country and what is possible for the United States is the kind of thing that I would like to get behind."

Yes, some day American voters will elect a black president. "60 Minutes" interviewed Winfrey just as her talk show went national. Asked about her future, she said that she considered her future so bright that it "blinds my eyes." Indeed. Her astonishing success shows that the "hope" express left the station a long time ago.

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Here We Go Again - Race-Baiting
Another Black Republican racial pandering to whites. Over the past half-century, GOP presidents, right-wingers on the radio, and conservative columnists have carefully crafted racial barbs, code-speak, and race tinged off color remarks into a winning political strategy.

In his autobiography, My American Journey, Colin Powell called Reagan "insensitive" on racial issues, and tagged Bush's Horton stunt, "a cheap shot."

Please Read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_baiting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

I like this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0XxvaulOHs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gb6t9MztyY

If wikipedia says it, it must be true!
I wonder if those race-tinged, off-color remarks include cartoons of the Secretary of State as a pickaninny? Oh wait! That wasn't a right wing jab, was it?

The "Rays" of the world
Elder does a great service mentioning Obama's friend Ray's stupid comments. Unfortunately, Ray's plan to keep the "Angry Black" persona as a backup rings true.

All people love playing the victim at one time or another, it's just nobody calls politicized Blacks on it like they should.

The Soul Patrol/NAACP crowd as well as the (c)rap music industry thrives off of victimhood 'as needed' as do those embarrassing Guilt-White liberals. All of them should be ignored and/or ridiculed as needed. It's not the 1950s anymore.

Dixiecrat
Are you going to serve cheese with that whine?

You racialist snivelers are so tedious.

Black anger
I beleive some of the reason Dixiecrat dismisses Elder is because while Oprah is super-rich and a huge power player in Hollywood, and Will Smith is super-rich and a huge power player in Hollywood, those aren't black people. Those are two black individuals and hardly represent the vast majority of non-super-rich blacks. But I'm here to tell him that all those rich whites you see, are also few are far between and they aren't representative of all the rest of us either.

my 2 cents
I've said this before and here I go again.

Martin Luther King Jr. said "I have a dream that the day will come when my children are judged on the the content of their character rather then the color of their skin." (Ok those aren't the exact words but you know what I mean.)

That day has long since arrived for those with the character to embrace it. For the others - they know who they are.



p.s. - how many of you out there consider Oprah to speak for you? Or any of the people who went to her fund-raiser in la-la land a few days or weeks back? So she has brought herself up from dire poverty to a position of power unequalled by any woman you can think of. Good for her. Can you imagine that happening in Saudi Arabia? Ok, I'll stoip the sarcasm, because it serves no purpose, so let me just ask - can you imagine that happening in

Oprah
I never liked her. I tried watching her show a couple of times but she's so concerned with making sure the camera is on her that it's annoying. And she changes the way she speaks according to who her guest is.
Now she says something stupid like she's supporting someone for POTUS not using politics as her basis but hope? Well that proves that just because she's good at making money and a smart business woman, she's not smart in other areas of life. It also shows that Oprah is racist.
And let us not forget that Obama is half white.

Elder's point about black people being able to succeed and his comments about the so-called hope for minorities is right on.

Guess What? It ain't about Hope....
...it's because he's black! nothing more. Oprah like all blacks (and Whites) are racist. And, guess what else, are you listening Hillery? When the primary comes around and the blacks go into that booth, I don't care if they have been supporting Hillary, actually I don't care if they are the Chairman of Hillary's Election Committee for that area or the entire Country, when they get in that booth and the curtain is drawn and there is Hillary's name next to a BLACK man's name..they're going to vote for the BLACK man. you can bet on it...they can't not. They might not want to but, they can't vote for a white person when they can vote for a BLACK person. Hillary et.al. better know that fact.Obama has the black locked up by the fact that he's black and Oprah is no exception.

darkness
The deal with Oprah is not about darkness of skin, but rather, darkness of the soul.

There is a supernatural origin to how such an ignorant, low-level person became the richest woman who has ever lived. She was an evil John the Baptist who prepared the way for Clinton and his "I feel your pain" nonsense. Today, she is a female Rasputin, and her kind of sorcery on a pedestal of influence can bring down a nation.

Thanks Uncle Max,Kudos Mr. Elder
A pleasure to read the only sane post so far.

Does anyone actually READ the coulmns or do you just want to screech about your personal agendas?

Interesting
I find it apparent that Obama is a media and Oprah darling simply because he is black, to them. If Obama were white, he'd be just another candidate and probably on the third tier. We wouldn't even be discussing him.

I also find it sad that nowhere does Obama give praise or bring forth his white mother, who continued to raise him, and very well I may add, after his black father left. He was raised by a white woman, and yet, Obama continues to deny his white heritage and panders to the black vote and white guilt liberals.

He may have a starling eductation, but I find him to be as much of a phony as Hillary is. I also used to like Oprah, but she's morphing into some one I don't.

Also, if Obama looked like, let's say, Al Sharpton, would she be as interested. Honestly, methinks Obama trips her trigger.


Think a moment
Are you all going to vote for color or a candidate? If Obama is the best candidate, he will get my vote. I can read, I can listen and I can judge for myself. America is made up of all folks, and believe it or not, there are people who will vote for the best candidate, just like I am going to do. That person, that I select, will the one that I have placed my faith in. The one who will be the best person to fill the job. Yes folks! There is a life beyong Democrats and Republicans, blacks and whites, male and female. My vote will not go for Hillary because she switches her opinion too often, and speaks out of both sides of her mouth. Put another female up there to vote for and I will give her a fair chance against any male, but she has to prove that she is the best candidate.

C'mon, Dixiecrat...
If you're going to whine about something, at least have the temerity to get it right. Bush I was not the creator of the Willie Horton ads. He merely co-opted the ads from the primary elections where another Dem used it against Doodookakis. The Dem? None other than Al "I invented the internet as well as the globull warming hysteria" Gore. You gotta love them Dems. NOT!

Oprah makes good TV
but I disagree with almost everything she says. Will people listen to her about who to vote for President? I can't think of anyone who's life has LESS in common with the average american.

Go Ahead Oprah....
I'm glad she is doing this.

Now I think someone said Obama has "denied" his "white" heritage. That is totally false.

However, you must remember that most people see Obama as a "black" man, not a "mixed" man.

I have "white" heritage, but classify myself as African American. The reason is that people always see color first and automatically assume I am only "black". I have been called Hispanic before, but am not.

So leave Obama alone about his background. He is only pointing out how the world sees him.

What is She Hoping For?
I have nothing against Oprah and can only admire her success, but I do question just what it is she is hoping for that has led her to support a neophyte politician with very poor diplomatic skills, an extremely limited grasp of how the rest of the world works, and almost no legislative record for what is arguably the most powerful position on the planet.

Talk is cheap, Oprah, and talk is all Obama has to offer. That is not something to be hopeful about.

I don't care what color Obama is
But he would be the most pitiful and inept politician regarding Foreign Relations since Jimmy Carter. TV personalities have been trying to make us decide on a Presidential candidate for some time but not nearly as blatantly as this new Oprah/Obama campaign. I am beyond sick of this Presidential election and we are still more than a year away.

Incompetant Blacks
One of the biggests threats to racial harmony is the elevation of incompetant blacks to positions beyond their ability, either because of affirmative action or novelty. We see this in the failure rates of blacks on Ivy League campuses, and in politics.

If Obama were elected president, we would have the experience of having the first black president be a total amateur on foreign policy, a fool on economic issues, and an ultra-leftist on social issues. This is not the sort of thing that would improve the image of blacks in politics.

I have this crazy idea that if you just make your decisions based on ability, that blacks will be well represented in the halls of power. And Elder's column tends to back up that notion.

gwco2skeptic
"Incompetant Blacks"

Really???

"One of the biggests threats to racial harmony is the elevation of incompetant blacks to positions beyond their ability, either because of affirmative action or novelty."

How does this apply to Obama or Oprah???

"We see this in the failure rates of blacks on Ivy League campuses, and in politics."

Not true. Not true. Doesn't apply to the topic either.

"If Obama were elected president, we would have the experience of having the first black president be a total amateur on foreign policy, a fool on economic issues, and an ultra-leftist on social issues."

Minus the social issues and the race part, aren't you talking about Bush too?

"This is not the sort of thing that would improve the image of blacks in politics."

According to whom? Who really cares what you think about African American politicians!!!!

"I have this crazy idea that if you just make your decisions based on ability, that blacks will be well represented in the halls of power."

That is what people are going to do. NO ONE IS VOTING FOR OBAMA ONLY BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!!!!

You need some help gwco. Your on that borderline!!!

Randi
"Both of these 'blacks' inherited their intelligence and other good qualities from their White parent.

The only 'quality' they claim from their black parent is skin color."

Obama's father attended Harvard.

Oprah doesn't have any traceable "white" heritage.

Sorry Randi. You lose.

Racial divide
There will always be a divisive animosity between American blacks and whites as long as there are organizations like the NAACP and the Rainbow Coalition that make millions from racial disharmony.

Do people like Oprah mean "hope" as in "I hope blacks will lose the 'angry black man' persona"?

Or does she mean, "I hope the black people take over America and enslave all whites"?

These vague euphamisms do nothing to further the discussion or settle the problem; they can mean anything to anybody.

Political rhetoric like Oprah's is meaningless drivel, designed to appeal to the masses of ignorant blacks and whites who will read into her statements their own version of veritas.


Ellison
If Obama were white, would you consider him just as skilled and electable for the presidency? Would you vote for him if he were white? Would you defend him like this if he were Asian, Jewish, or Puerto Rican?

I care less about a person's race, gender or religion for president, as long as they lower my taxes, keep the economy going, and puts this country on the right track. However, my biggest beef with Obama is his lack of execution regarding foreign policy, and healthcare.

But it seems, and you have to admit, Obama's buzz is because he is being promoted as black. You know if he were white, he would be a third tier candidate. You also must see he is pandering to the blacks, "I'm one of you, I can't get a cab waa waa waa."

That is the only weapon he has to gain votes is not based on how to run a government because honestly, he falls short. But he is using his charisma, and he has bundles of it, and making the most out of being a black man running for president.

Ralph
No one is voting for Obama only because he is black? Please avoid statements like this if you wish to be taken seriously. He is black and a democrat. For millions of his supporters he needs no other qualifications. Fortunately for him, since although he has an admirable record of achievement for one so young, he is a political rookie with no track record. Hillary can't point to much more, but she is articulate and been around longer, so most people have a good idea where she stands. She will not get much of the black vote in the primaries, or do you disagree?

Obama
I would say this about obama, GRAVITAS,GRAVITAS,to quote all those liberal journalists about Bush

DavidMac
Your post made no sense.

Obama
I would say this about Obama GRAVITAS,GRAVITAS,to quote all those liberal journalists when GWB was running

Also Ellison
Don't you think if Obama were white, Oprah would not be his financial and PR cheerleader? She's never done this for any other candidate---democratic candidates more qualified than Obama, but they were white.

Race has everything to do with the way democrats are using Obama.

Savage99
"For millions of his supporters he needs no other qualifications."

Is that a fact or generalization?

"Fortunately for him, since although he has an admirable record of achievement for one so young, he is a political rookie with no track record."

I wouldn't say all that. If you were to run, thenyou have no track record. Plus, does experience really guarantee success?? How wonderful it is to have the experience of Uncle Dick on our side.

"She will not get much of the black vote in the primaries, or do you disagree?"

I disagree. Why is it that in South Carolina, African American primary voters favor Clinton over Obama by a slim margin? Could it be that African American voters are just like any other voter when it comes to their personal interests and political philosophies?

Oh my!!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/south_carolina_clinton_38_obama_30


Also
Poster Shells,

Remember our agreement????

Ralph Ellison
It makes more sense than anything you've ever posted here.

You are the typical perpetuator of racial divisiveness in America today. You wrote, "I [Ellison] have "white" heritage, but classify myself as African American."

Really? I guess I can ignore my white "heritage" and "classify" myself as an Asian or a Martian.

You also wrote, "So leave Obama alone about his background. He is only pointing out how the world sees him." Evaluation of anyone is purely subjective to the viewer. If no one knew Obama's background, they would call him black. That's exactly how the world would see him.


Ellison, you are what you are, not what you want the world to see you as.

We all lose
When I read comments like:
**Both of these 'blacks' inherited their intelligence and other good qualities from their White parent.
The only 'quality' they claim from their black parent is skin color."**

OR the response to:
This is not the sort of thing that would improve the image of blacks in politics."
**According to whom? Who really cares what you think about African American politicians!!!!**

We all lose.


We Lose continued
As I said on another thread yesterday..."Every one's a little bit racist" [song from Avenue Q]

Why NOT believe what gwo2skeptic said with the following?:
"I have this crazy idea that if you just make your decisions based on ability, that blacks will be well represented in the halls of power."
---isn't that the IDEAL we all hope for?--

But, this statement was met with this vehement response:
That is what people are going to do. NO ONE IS VOTING FOR OBAMA ONLY BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!!!!

It seems to this observer that Obama is a novelty, and is being elevated by the endorsement of the "most influential black woman in America" It's kinda hard to ignore the racial element here, and perhaps that's not all bad, but there have been others in the political arena who have not gotten the same boost from Oprah who were more qualified.

There is still no understanding how a junior senator with no political track record, and who has a naive and simplistic view of our foreign policy (the POTUS' primary job, btw) is suddenly the darling of Oprah and others.

It seems his primary appeal is to those who (I think) want to put paid to the hold-over notion that blacks are not-quite equal by having a black president.

From listening to him speak, he doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his abilities, but he certainly projects an appealing persona. There was another candidate not long ago who appealed to voters by his slick delivery and who pandered to what people wanted to hear. That guy was elected twice. You know him as the first black president...Bill Clinton.

DavidMac
"There will always be a divisive animosity between American blacks and whites as long as there are organizations like the NAACP and the Rainbow Coalition that make millions from racial disharmony."

They do??? What???? Got any facts???


"Do people like Oprah mean "hope" as in "I hope blacks will lose the 'angry black man' persona"?"

Generalization!

"Or does she mean, "I hope the black people take over America and enslave all whites"

Another one. And not funny

"You are the typical perpetuator of racial divisiveness in America today."

How???

"Really? I guess I can ignore my white "heritage" and "classify" myself as an Asian or a Martian."

Good. I really don't care.

"If no one knew Obama's background, they would call him black. That's exactly how the world would see him."

I agree. That is why I said that. He considers himself African American based on his life experiences and background. Nothing wrong with that. Read his book though. It goes into detail on his process.

"Ellison, you are what you are, not what you want the world to see you as"

Thank you. I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.

Come on Ellison
Why can't we have a civilized discourse with each other?

I just feel you're avoiding answering my questions because you know there is a ring of truth to them.

I'll play nice. Reading other frothing posters here regarding Obama, I think even they make ME look liberal. LOL.

B. Hussein Obama
Is out of his league, at this point, on a national level.

livefreeordie
Just my opinion, but I think Oprah's endorsement is huge, and will cut across racial lines. She speaks to and is listened to by all the feel good, emotional types out there who will vote with their feelings rather than logic. There are a large number of people who will say "If he's good enough for Oprah, he's good enough for me" or at least weigh her opinion heavily. She is one of our society's true untouchables, and her unfailing liberalism is totally discounted in the equation.

Bob
Yes, that worries me too. But since both Gore and Kerry lost, I have (the audacity of) hope for the American people!

Shells
You started off wrong. Who said I'm even voting for Obama? I'm waiting for Gore to enter, if only.

As for civil discussion, our past history suggests otherwise. Plus, I gotta go run some errands today anyway.

Give it time.

I think this song best summarizes our "relationship".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WPWNMhiEmgY

Oprah
First off this is going to hurt Oprah and her credibility. Obama is not going to get the nomination. Secondly she plays to the lowest common denominator in society. These are people who pledge to vote then don't because they are distracted by their cell phones.

Oprah in reality is the poster child for how ignorant this country has become. Feeling is not thinking. Feeling replaced by thinking is the ultimate in laziness.

as i was saying
any other country other than this one?

(she was terrific in 'The Color Purple')

What is the reason for her phenomenal popularity? If it is her show then we are in worse shape than I thought. I have honestly tried to watch it but never got past 10 minutes. I just couldn't do it. I remember David Letterman just about licking her boots not long ago, and when some guy whose book she endorsed turned out to be bogus and she got him on tv and read him the riot act it was front page headlines in the Chicago Tribune. The daily bugle or the afternoon clarion I can understand, lead story in Insider's Edition I can understand but The Chicago Tribune? Not even any of their columnists had the cojones to state how absurd it was.

What is it? And you see her magazine everywhere. Just her name. Wow. Next thing we'll have 'Brittany'.

Sorry - I promised not to be sarcastic.
[Although her kids must really be proud of mommie - "hey look at that picture of mommie's .... "]

It does seem, unfortunately, that her endorsement of someone will carry a lot of weight and it does seem that all the feel good emotional types will go by it, which don't say a whole lot for their gray matter.

But that still doesn't answer the essential question - what is it about her?

Perhaps the answer to that question is another question - what is it about US?

Ellison
Unfortunately, I'll have to check out that song later, my PC at work blocks Utube.

But why Gore?! Why don't you like any of the democratic candidates running? I'm sure you will be voting, if you had to pick one at this moment, I'm curious at to who.

I'm not sold on any conservatives yet, but I have a few in mind.

To: Ralph Ellison
You wrote: "...NO ONE IS VOTING FOR OBAMA ONLY BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!!!!"

You're now conversant with the thinking process of every single Democratic voter in the U.S.A.? I hate to tell you this, Ralph, but a large number of voters will, in fact, vote for Obama just because he is black. If you haven't been in the 'hood for a while, go there and listen. You will hear a lot of people planning to vote for Obama, yes, just because he's black. (I can't reproduce the actual terms used. I wouldn't want to, either.)

ZB2
Do you live off generalizations and stereotypes??

Ralph Ellison's Posts...
Are usually courteous, thoughtful and decent. Even when attacked, he's fairly reserved. He's also been historically consistent in his implied presumptions that social programs can work, that blacks (and other groups, I suppose, but don't know) aren't intrinsically different in any important way, but because of past abuses, can use a helping hand. I'm certain life doesn't, and people don't work that way, but he doesn't present his opinions as facts, he provides facts that he thinks support his opinions.

I prefer reading his posts to some of the incipient racism I see creeping into the posts of some of his critics. My experience tells me that there is a lot more racism on the left than the right, but I sure don't want that presumption chipped away by what I read here.

Oprah believes that Obama's election to the presidency would bring new hope to America. Three things:

1) America, and Americans are better than that. Hope for America does not rely upon it. What she really wants, and what has been posted above by some, is a black president. Hope may be mixed up in there, but she's far too calculating for that to be her primary motivation.

2) Obama does not have the experience to be president. A common complaint is that Bush didn't have the experience to be president. But he wasn't the first white president. What if the first black president is a failed president. I think he will be. I'm afraid Thompson would be a failure for essentially the same reasons, and he's a conservative.

3) Obama is a liberal.

Ok, Ok, Ellison doesn't need to pay attention to point #3. But I think he should to point #2.

Ralph Ellison
I think the fact that our nation is predominately conservative in its sensibilities is a bigger factor than you give credit for.

Conservatives value self-responsibility and self-determination. They value low taxes and minimal government involvement/interference in their lives. It is a thought that promotes individual responsibility and initiative instead of weighing things based on minority status or group-think. Conservatives tend to reject socialized government programs in favor of private charities to address societal needs.

That most of our elected (Republicans & Democrats) ignore this foundation of conservative values in the US doesn't negate the fact of conservative thought.

I don't agree with you that a lack of experience is not a factor. It is important. And simply stating that he can surround himself with knowledgable advisors isn't good enough because He is the elected person...not his cabinet.

Re: Willie Horton
Dixiecrat,

You are an @$$hole.

The infamous Willie Horton ad was not issued By Bush41's campaign.

It was NOT about Horton's race. It was about a MA prison furlough program that got two innocent civilian 'by-standers' killed.

The ad showed both white and black 'prisoners' (they were really actors) going through a revolving door.

The ad made no mention of race at all, only that a prisoner had killed two people while on furlough.

There was no racial discussion regarding this ad until the Dukakis campaign, realizing they were getting creamed by the legitimate point of the ad, fought back by calling the ad racist and justifying their charge of racism by identifying the perp as black.

The "Willie Horton" ad didn't even mention Willie Horton by name.

But here we are, almost twenty years later and @$$holes like you, Dixicrat, are still taking an article about two different successful black who were raised under radically different circumstances, written by successful black man, and decrying a racist screed in it that does not even exist.

Everytime an @$$hole like you reads, imagines, and invents racism out of thin air where it doesn't exist, the problems of racial friction in this country get worse instead of better.

Do all decent, kind, intelligent people of all races (about 90%+ of all blacks and whites) a favor and STFU. You foul the air with your kneejerk, partisan, victim mentality

wiseone
I’m not trying to support Dixiecrat, but the Willie Horton ad was a low blow. Don’t be coy. It did play on racial prejudice at least subliminally and it focused on Horton more than the other guy. It was not telling the whole true and it was not the only ad that stretched the truth. There’s no way I would have voted for Dukakis. At the time, I thought the ad was unnecessary. I just didn’t see how Dukakis had a chance.

Racism Close to Home
Assuming that Oprah Winfrey supports Barak Obama only because he is black, or that Democrats vote for him only because he is black, is racist. But what else is new? Racism has been the spine of conservatism since Nixon's Southern Strategy offered a new path to Southern whites angry about federally forced racial integration. Scratch a conservative, find a racist. And scratch a black journalist who would write an article like this, find that his name isn't really Larry but Tom.

Correction
Horton did not commit murder while on furlough.

He was in for murder. He committed armed robbery and rape while on furlough.

Tom???
lilly you take the cake and win the prize for parroting the racist party line.

It is beyond belief that you attack a black journalist for expressing an opinion counter to the liberal view by painting him as an Uncle Tom, much like the field-hands painted the house slaves as "Uppity" during slavery. (And I am not calling Larry Uppity, just to be clear...you are the one accusing him of "betraying his race" instead of believing he has the right to think and believe as he does)

And, of course, why Oprah would place her considerable influence and money behind a fellow with few credentials when she has not done anything similar with regard to politics prior to Obama's entry into the fray cannot under any circumstances be questioned.

Mirriam-Webster definition of prejudice :2 a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b: an instance of such judgment or opinion c: an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

I think you fall under 2)c. when you say things like "Scratch a conservative, find a racist"

Irrational and hostile? Prejudiced? You figure it out.

Dem ticket
The dem ticket is going to be Clinton/Obama.
The liberal's dream. A socialist woman and (half)black man all at once?

Lilly
I presume that Oprah Winfrey supports Barak Obama not only because he is black, but also relatively attractive, soft-spoken, and articulate. But she wouldn't be supporting him if he wasn't black. I also presume you aren't too bright if you can't even recognize the point.

Scratch a liberal, find a liar. Scratch a liberal, find a totalitarian. Scratch a liberal, find a patronizing social worker. Scratch a liberal, ... well, I've got lots of stereotypes handy. Scratch a conservative and 9 times out of 10 you will find someone who knows that, in general, if you let someone else do it for you, you will never learn to do it. Self-reliance and small government has been the spine of the conservative movement since well before forced bussing, public housing, welfare, and other failed social experiments destroyed the black American family while simultaneously cementing black Americans to Johnson and the democrat party, creating a disenfranchised underclass which could be relied upon to repeatedly vote democrat while program after program was intentionally perpetrated upon them with foreknowledge of the result.

Really nice people, liberals. At least scientists will start out with lab mice if they plan to repeat the same experiment for the 20th time.

America without Racist White Southerns
America would be a better Place.
The world would be a better Place.

I hate politically correctness.

My Hero also hated politically correctness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)

Black, or Mixed?
Two comments:

1. If his mother is a white woman, why isn't Obama considered mixed, and not black?

2. Why is his race even considered? Oh, wait, because he's a liberal Democrat (socialist).

We Want Change.
Did Oprah endorse Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton?

Black people are not voting for Barack Obama just because he's black. Most of them will vote for him for the same reason young white college students are voting for him. WE WANT CHANGE.

Look what the Good Ol Boy system got us, A War in the Middle East, and Hated around the world.

Colin Powell
The republican party seriously considered Colin Powell in the 96 race for both of the top two slots (but he wouldn't go for it). Because white conservatives love blacks so much? No, and that's the point. White conservatives don't care much what color someone is. Conservatives liked what he was saying and what they thought he stood for. So, the republican party, using the same cold calculation being used by Oprah, thought, "Hey, we can get this guy elected".

Who'd a thought politics works that way. Jeez.

Only leftist totalitarians - catchphrase for lilberals - think that they don't think that way. Blind doublethink.

Lilly, Scratch Your Head
And find bats and spider webs.

You've outdone yourself this time. Has your doctor changed your meds? Is your adult diaper in need of changing?

Anthony Thomas
It's not a surprise to me that he's articulate. Elder's articulate. Walter Williams is articulate. Juan Williams, for that matter, though I very frequently disagree with his ideas, is articulate. Kofi Annan, for that matter, as well as very likely being a highly successful crook, is articulate. There are lots of black men in public life who are articulate. Dime a dozen. A little life advice: being articulate is part of how you get there, baby.

Nor did I even come close to indicating that it was a surprise to me that a black man could be articulate. That's something you read in.

However, all the qualities I listed are why Oprah is interested in him. It's important to her.

I don't care. I don't want the guy. He's so close to being a socialist that, given a heavily democrat congress - a possibility - and given potential additional chinese mis-steps, and given the last 30 years worth of volatility in the mid-east which he is not qualified to handle, a condition true of at least half the republican candidates as well, we could be looking at one very nasty recession if he's elected, which I do not look forward to.

Race Not Abortion
Race Not Abortion motivates White Southerns to vote for Conservatives.

I like this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0XxvaulOHs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gb6t9MztyY

Do White Southerns vote for Republicans because they are racist?

Anthony Thomas
Why do you think it is condecending to use the term Artiulate regards to Obama? It's not a surprise because he's black. It is a surprise because he's a polititian.

We have very few who present their ideas with clarity. To use the Mirriam-Webster definition: expressing oneself readily, clearly, or effectively.

I think Obama does speak effectively, even if I disagree with his political points. He's very charismatic as well. So how do you think he should be described? I think articulate fits him well above others polititians. For example, Hillary Clinton often contradicts herself in the same sentence, and if she isn't screaming (sorry, I don't know how else to describe her voice) she doesn't sound the least bit convincing. Hardly articulate.

Wow!
That was some comment by Lilly. I wouldn't call Larry a "Tom". I would save that for a certain Thomas on the Supreme Court.

Rich,

Thanks for the words. I try and so does AT. But the racism on TH is apparent to all and not helpful. And some say racism is no longer relevant. My fear is that some posters are actually in positions in a workplace, organization, academic setting where they could put their words into practice. Not good at all.

On another topic, I hope THs will help out/speak out against the injustice going on in Jena, La.

Please do some research on this case and the Jena 6. It is a shame what is going on.


Dixiecrat
We were hated around the world under Clinton, under Reagan, under Carter - and laughed at, too.

Under, oddly, Nixon and Bush I, not so much, but still....

if you are a superpower, you're hated. The BDS infected liberal left will live with the destruction of any policy, no matter how attractive it might have been if (hindsight is lovely, isn't it?) Carter or Clinton had proposed it, if it will help to sully George Bush. They don't even necessarily want to destroy the policies - witness no child left behind, largely the large and corrupt Edward Kennedy's baby - as long as they can fail to give credit to Georege Bush and to exaggerate or lie about any failures.

He's not even my favorite president. He's not very conservative. But this is pure insanity.

Dixiecrat
White southerners vote republican because republicans keep saying they won't make government bigger; won't interfere even more in their lives. It doesn't seem to be true, but that is why they vote republican. If they wanted more failure and marginalization of ethnic groups they would vote democrat.

Rich - People Hate Imperialism
I agree with Ron Paul, Bring our Troops Home.
Let them guard the USA Border.

All Imperial Nations through out history were hated.

People Envy Power and Wealth, they Hate Imperialism.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Ralph
I suspect that some, at least, of the racism you find apparent is only that. I just got accused by Anthony Thomas of the kind of "soft" racism that I see so much in liberal writing and in liberal policies. And all I was doing was identifying what I thought Oprah was thinking.

Thomas is a considerable Supreme. It's like he's not allowed to find with the other conservatives on the bench without being called a Tom. Have you ever heard him speak? His opinions are his and I hope you would find some of them very admirable. He gets a raw deal, but handles it with grace.

If you truely think racism is a problem in America, don't travel, you won't feel good. Even just past our northern border, where some of the most enlightened liberals in the world are supposed to live, Quebeqoi look all the way down their long, gallic noses at the riff-raff in Nova Scotia.

Dixiecrat
OK, at least that doesn't sound like BDS.

I understand where Paul is coming from. I just don't think it's practical.

If I had been president, and had my druthers, we would have made life extremely unplesant for several middle-east leaders and their power structures and been home by now, having deposited the firm impression that we would be more than happy to make them unhappy again.

That would only work if I could know that the next president would do the exact same thing, and the next.

My suspicion is that Bush 1) knew that wouuldn't happen and, 2) truely believed that change in the middle east was necessary and had to happen in a country large enough to make a difference.

We'll find out if he was right. I already know your opinion.

Dixiecrat
I lost my last post to you. Suffice it to say, true, superpowers have always been hated, but isolationism is not practical. Very early in the 19th century the U.S. had to create a navy sufficient to protect it's shipping against the Barbary pirates because the ransom we were paying didn't stick.

If we don't have foreign entanglements, we won't create a reasonable standing army. If we don't have a standing army, someone will do something stupid. If someone does something stupid, we'll create a large standing army, go beat the bajesus out of them, and have foreign entanglements. Think WWII.

Dixiecrat
Whups, there's my last post to you.

Rich
"I suspect that some, at least, of the racism you find apparent is only that."

Yes it is. I hope these people are no in positions of influence anywhere.

"I just got accused by Anthony Thomas of the kind of "soft" racism that I see so much in liberal writing and in liberal policies."

Fair. However, I have seen more racially charged statements/coded messages from the Right.

"Thomas is a considerable Supreme. It's like he's not allowed to find with the other conservatives on the bench without being called a Tom. Have you ever heard him speak? His opinions are his and I hope you would find some of them very admirable. "

I disagree strongly. Clarence knows what he is doing and has a strong agenda. I have heard him speak and also read a recent biography "Supreme Discomfort: The Divided Soul of Clarence Thomas".

Very interesting individual to say the least. As for his opinions, I disagree with most of them.

I respect his position, same with Condi Rice. Yet, disagree strongly with their philosphy and agendas.

That goes for Bush too.

"If you truely think racism is a problem in America, don't travel, you won't feel good."

I understand this. Yet, it irks me that conservatives seek to portray the myth of a color blind society here in America. Such a lie.

Anyway, remember the Jena 6.

Ralph
No wonder i couldn't find your questions to me. I was on the WW thread.

I was making a generalization i believe to be true. Some of the votes will be for different reasons, some will be exactly because he is a black democrat. I leave it to you to decide if there is any truth to the statement.

I would like to think i vote to maintain the vision of a shining city on a hill, glowing more as it grows and serves its inhabitants. I am not the only one that believes as soon as a mojority of the voters try to vote themselves rich we are finished as any sort of inspiration or world leader. Most of the folks who try to do this are self-proclaimed victims, who believe they have a right to get even. People who focus their energies on getting even rarely get ahead.

Qualifications
I'm not sure if anyone is really experienced enough to be president anymore. If the objective is for the United States to be liked by other countries then no one running now is qualified. I don't know. Obama seems like a nice enough fellow. I'm not a democrat so I have no say in the Democratic primaries. If you guys want to vote for him, go ahead.

Ralph
I will look up the Jena 6 - don't know anything about it.

I mis-phrased what I wanted to get across to you about Thomas. I didn't meant that you needed to admire the opinions, simply at least consider that he arrives at them with intellectual integrity. Anyway, won't beat the dead horse, and have to go soon anyway.

The overcorrecting anti-racism rant of the right is a direct reaction to the race industry of the left. I think most conservatives know racism exists. The rapacious use of it by group-rights demagogues and con-men is deeply offensive to the individualist sympathies you find a lot of on the right. I think a lot of conservatives aren't even aware exatly what it is they're reacting to.

Have a good night.

Dixiecrat
I agree with Ron Paul, Bring our Troops Home.
Let them guard the USA Border.

that is not leagal. miltary units are not allowed to be used to guard the border why do you think bush could only send national guard troops down there

this jena 6 case
ok all i could find on it was 6 black kids were involved in a fight (with whom i dont know i havent found that out yet) these 6 kids were charged with various crimes resulting from the fight including attemted murder and aggrivated battery i beleive.

so what i have heard a case on long beach were a MOB of 30 BLACKS beat on 3 WHITE TEENAGE GIRLS YELLING WHITE RACIAL SLURs (yes boys and girls they do exists) one of these thugs bashed in the face of one of these girls with a skate board the girl lost an eye. NON of these punks GOT MORE THAN PROBATION heck all but 3 were never even charged.

neither of these cases have i heard much of anything in the main stream media why?

oops
majority


Savage99
My question to you is how did you come to such conclusions: Generalizations or Facts?

One racist in the crowd
Millions of blacks have voted for white presidents for years now. And, I suspect there are millions of whites who will vote for Obama as well. Just like a whole bunch of men may actually vote for Hillary.

But if there is one racist that I can see in the crowd, it's Oprah Winfrey. She knows exactly how much money she has, and she knows exactly how powerful she and her prime-time opinions are. She is well acquainted with her make-or-break abilities.

In all of Oprah's history, she has never endorsed a candidate the way she is endorsing Obama with exclusive on-air appearances and with fund-raising, to the exclusion of everyone else. I find it curious that her first and only endorsement is of a black candidate with admittedly limited experience -- and then she herself says it's not a political endorsement, it is a "hope" endorsement. Gimme a break.

Thanksfully, I think most people think for themselves, even Democrats. I don't know anyone who would vote for a candidate because Oprah endorses him. In fact -- for many, that might push them in the opposite direction! It would for me. Show me a celebrity-endorsed candidate, and I'll show you a candidate I would run from!

Ralph
Generalization and logical (to me anyway)extension of small facts.

I conclude many voters will vote for Obama without looking any further than his melanin concentration because during Jesse's run i lived, worked and played B-ball in Wash DC. Several of my co-workers and team mates said they would vote for him because he was black. One said he would do it just because it felt wonderful just to have the chance and he wasn't going to pass it up. I don't think Teddy "Bear" was the lone Ranger, so i extended his attitude to others and concluded others would vote for Obama just because he is black.

I conclude that a representative govt will function only so long as people assign a value to other priorities rather than only their own diect personal gain. The facts leading to this conclusion are the failure and decline of representative govts in which a voting majority votes only their pocketbook. Athens, Rome, most countries of current Europe. The belief that one is some sort of victim provides all the rationalization some people require to make this choice.

Arby
So Oprah is a racist now???????????

Man, conservatives sure of scared of this Oprah-Obama friendship.

This isn't that big a deal.

By the way
What ever possessed you to go overboard on Cosby?

Savage99
I think I see where you are coming from. But, Jesse ran over 20 years ago. And also, not all African Americans think the same!!! But the questions must be asked to you:

1. If African Americans will vote for Obama simply because he shares a common lineage, why is he not running away with the African American primary vote by this point? Why in South Carolina, specifically, is he behind Clinton in the African American vote?

2. If African Americans are going to vote for Obama based on the same rational as the previous question, then what about those voters who are non-African American will vote against him because he is African American?

3. Why is it not bad when voters vote for a candidate simply because they are Christian? Served in the Military? Against Abortion? Aren't these voters ignoring all the other more important/vital issues and instead voting on shared characterisitics/one belief they may have in common with the candidate running?

Savage99
"What ever possessed you to go overboard on Cosby?"

I hate Jello.

lilly
Your post says alot about you. typical liberal teacher passing off stereotype as fact. Not to mention YOU are the real racist here.

Ralph
first, i laughed at your opinion of Cosby. Don't agree with your view, but it is straightforward and understandable. I think it takes more starch to state an unpopular opinion, than go with the flow. I also think Cosby brought to attention things that need to be addressed and dealt with by black role models. Oprah herself opened that school in Africa, stating at the time (paraphrase) she had had it with trying to help black students in this country. But to your items.
1. Sir, i didn't say ALL black Americans will vote Obama. Many will. I didn't say its wrong. I do say its perfectly understandable. Whether or not he beats Hillary in SC seem irrelevant to my statement that millions of blacks will vote for Obama because he is black. Its just my opinion. Its ok for you to disagree. I do note you do not categorically disagree, just contend that many will not vote Obama at all, and many will vote because they think he will make the best president. Neither of these points disprove my opinion.
2. Many voters will NOT vote for him just because he is black. Many of these voters would usually vote DEM, but do not want a black person in the WH just because he is black. Rejecting Obama because of his melanin pigment is no better or worse than choosing him for same. G. Washington said we must take people as they are. I'm not going to get my skivvies in a wad because i don't approve of some motivations.
3. Same as 2. These one string violin players are understandable, but i find they are usually unsophisticated and into reaction rather than creative thinking. Bad is too strong a word for these one issue people, whatever the ethnic background. I think they increase the problem of unqualified people getting into public office. However i do not see them as causing much of our problems. They tend to cancel out one another, for one thing.


TV personalities
Anybody who takes anything Opra says seriously needs to have their head examined. Opra is nothing but a big TV phonie. Obama is pandering to her shallow audience.

smh
There is a lot of talk regarding blacks, and this supposed lemming like mentality that we all(apparently) have. There have been a few comments saying that most, if not all, black will vote for Senator Obama based solely on the color of his skin, and the fact that he is a democrat. You really believe this?

What happened to Al Sharpton's nomination ? I don't even think Mike Gravel would be jealous of the numbers he pulled in 2000.


Will Harold Ford Jr have a clear path to the White House in 4,8, or 12 years? He is black, he is "Articulate", hell he's even a Southerner!

John Edwards spent his Senate term(damn near all of it) Running for president, that didn't pan out. He in all likelihood would've lost his seat had he run for reelection as well. What is his experience? 8-9 years of campaigning? Are people only supporting him because he is white?

People are supporting Senator Obama because he is inspiring them , they are buying his message.


People who assume he garners support simply because of "white guilt" are trying to mask their own bigoted views. Its as simple as that. That line of thinking is one step below the "Barack Hussein Obama is a secret Muslim!" talk, and about 25 steps below the "Barack Obama is an empty suit!" canard. At least people can argue the issues with the former.




yea yea
Al ran in 04.

yes
Sharpton ran in 2004.

ralph
it seems that these jena 6 kids were nifonged if it were 6 white kids that beat a black kid unconsious with no life threating injuries then i am sure al sharpton and jessie jackson would be all over it. i really dont see any overt raceism in this case maybe some bigitory but no racism.

but again i have a story in long beach of a mob of 30 black kids attacking and beating 3 white girls shouting racial slurs with one girl losing an eye and not one of these thugs receive jail time hell only 3 where even charged and we hear nothing about it in the news

50% Black = 100% Black?
So where is the other fifty percent? If a person is half white, for example, why are they described as black? It makes just as much sense to say they are white.

The background and culture in which a person is reared is a better indicator of which race with which they identify.

Barack Obama identifies himself as black. Those who belief that most blacks will vote for him base their opinion on what they've observed in the past.

Many people vote with their emotions rather than good sense. Frankly, many people don't HAVE any good sense. Sorry, but it's true.

Just a few examples: Massachusetts has kept Ted Kennedy in the Senate for many years despite his Chapaquiddick history. Why? His liberal stance matches that of most voters there, or is it the KENNEDY name?

The race-divisive hucksters, Jesse and Al, must be getting support from enough black people to keep them in their shabby, ministerial vocations. Why? Because they are black.

Bill Clinton got a second term as president, despite the ongoing, sleazy scandals surrounding him. Why? Apparently because the liberal Democrats were willing to tolerate and defend the behavior, just to keep a Democrat in the White House.

Wilson Goode, a Philadelphia mayor, agreed to the bombing of a bunker in that city which set many homes on fire and left their occupants homeless. He was the top man and he OK'd it, yet never appeared there during the disaster.

The black people of Philadelphia, and maybe some others, voted him into office again.

I don't doubt for a second that many people are biased in their voting. Many black people WILL vote for Obama, simply because he is seen as a member of their race.

An aside: Why wasn't O. J. Simpson convicted?




Fractional Black
You folks are really hung up on this "half-black" crap, and I wish you'd cut it out.

I'm sorry, but such is the way things currently are. As per the law in many states, if your great-great-great-grandparent is black, YOU are black. (No, it's not "one drop of negro blood", as might be believed by some. Whatever people may believe, the law explicitly states 1/16th.)

Maybe it's time for things to change. Mixed marriages are happening more and more these days. More and more American citizens are going to have to put "other" on their census forms. IMHO, this is a *good* thing, a definite improvement in American culture.

But in the meantime, Obama is black, not white. He is self-identified as black. Everybody considers him black. Stop worrying about "how black" he is, he is quite "black enough."

Don:
you are full of crap. Every black person does not go into the booth and vote for someone becaust that camdidate is black. I'm glad to see that you think all people are racists. You speak for yourself.


I will not vote for Obama. He is a leftist and an undercover Muslim. At least he was a Muslim before he joined a racist, white hating pastor's church. I suspect he joined because being Muslim would complicate things politically for him.


One thing I am really happy about. People like you will always be present in America. The difference between how many of you there are now, as opposed to when I was born (1935), is that there aren't as many of you.


You are a minority, and the country is better of because you are.
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