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Thursday, April 05, 2007
Larry Elder :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Iraq War's Other Front -- My Doctor's Office
by Larry Elder
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The "Bush Lied, People Died" yahoos lurk everywhere. Few can escape them.

Standing at the check-in window of my doctor's office, awaiting my annual prostate exam, I heard a staff member yell out with a smile, "Hi, Mr. Elder. How does it feel to be one of the last guys who supports the war?"

The 20-something-year-old receptionist, who was signing me in, then narrowed her eyes, and the volcano erupted. She tore into an emotional, convoluted, fact-challenged barrage against the president. He lied us into the war, and too many of our soldiers are dying. He's incompetent. He sent young men and women to die for oil and for Halliburton. While he plays commander in chief, the middle class shrinks. He cares only about the rich. His racism showed in his handling of Katrina. Yadda, blah, etc.

I tried to remain calm while considering the source. In general, depending upon the setting, I try to conserve my mood and my energy. But, then there are other times -- and this was one of them.

"You talked about the number of our military personnel who have died in Iraq," I said, "3,500 and counting." "Do you happen to know how many died in World War I?"

"No."

"What about Korea and Vietnam?"

"No."

" What about the Civil War -- both sides?"

"No."

"What about World War II?"

"No."

"We lost over 100,000 in the First World War, with a much smaller population than today. During the Civil War, 600,000 died on both sides, and the population was about 10 percent of today's 300 million. So, adjusted for the population, six million people died during the Civil War."

Soon the other staff members behind the receptionist began to listen, as did the patients sitting in the waiting room.

"By the end of World War II," I continued, "400,000 Americans died. Again, adjusting for today's population, that means nearly 800,000 people -- or less than one half of one percent of those killed so far in Iraq. Of course, every life is precious, but I suggest that before you talk about the 'huge' amount of deaths, you gain some perspective."

"But, what about the lies?" she said.

"Why bother," I said, "maybe my prostate could wait another year. I'll just go down and grab a hamburger."

But I said, "Are you familiar with the Robb-Silberman Commission that concluded the president did not lie about the intelligence on Iraq?"

"No."

"What about the Senate bipartisan panel that concluded the same thing -- that Bush didn't lie?"

"No."

"What about David Kaye?" I said.

"Who?"

"He's the guy Bush sent to Iraq to find stockpiles of WMD. While he didn't find stockpiles of WMD, he spoke of the possibility that Saddam transferred WMD out of the country during the run up of the war. Perhaps more important, he said that no intelligence analyst -- all of whom, by the way, thought Saddam had stockpiles of WMD -- felt pressured to lie simply to provide a motive for Bush to go to war."

"But, we have been in Iraq longer than we fought the whole World War II. This is crazy," the receptionist replied.

"Crazy?" I said, "I know of no stopwatch for war. During the Civil War, both sides expected it to last just a few weeks, no more than a few months. During the Revolutionary War, Gen. George Washington lost battle after battle such that some wanted him replaced by a more competent general. The early years of World War II seemed particularly gloomy, but President Franklin Delano Roosevelt didn't say, Well, we've been at this for a bit. Let's call it a day and go home.'"

That was too much for a guy sitting in the waiting room, who chimed in, "But the war has made things worse."

So now, I am getting it from all sides.

Turning to the gentleman, I said, "I guess you assume that everything was going swimmingly until Bush stuck a stick into the hornet's nest. Do you remember the 1979 seizure of American hostages, who were held for over 400 days? Do you remember the bombing of the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia? Do you remember the attack on the Marine barracks during the Reagan Administration, or the attacks on our embassies in Tanzania and Kenya? What about the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993? Not to mention the attack on 9-11 that killed over 3,000 on U.S. soil. Yeah, if only Bush hadn't ticked off so many people, the Disney Company, by now, would've built a theme park in Pakistan."

And so it went. To paraphrase Osama bin Laden, if we lose the war in Iraq, it will not be lost on the battlefield, but in places like my doctor's office.

"Mr. Elder," said the nurse's assistant, "the doctor will see you now." And not a moment too soon -- for them.

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Redhead
Thanks for that web site I love the idea I wish I was younger I would go to all the places these demonuts were.

a serious omission in the column
While the column goes well to re affirm our regimes' legitimate war, I think Mr. Elder is failing to note some other casualties in Iraq, namely the Iraqi people themselves. Here are some estimates of the toll on Iraqi lives in the recent conflict.

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10210

And having a small # of casualites is not in itself any justification for the on going occupation.
The fact that the Christians are fleeing Iraq hardly gives me any sense of confidence in US policy now. At least Saddam Hussein enforced a non sectarian pluralism in Iraq, but now, as the American Coalition introduces their panacea of democracy at all costs, the results are to be quite predictably a Shiite Majority Government, and that will go to Sharia law.
So much for our wise strategy of nation building.

I didn't hear much reference to the toxic waste of depleted uranium in Iraq, another one of our presents to the Iraqi peoples.

http://www.ratical.org/radiation/DU/DUuse+hazard.html

duh
Liberalism is a mental condition that results from people who believe lies spewed by people , who want to control others...

Liberalism is a mental condition
Liberalism is a condition that results from believing lies that people who want to control the lives of as many people as possible, just for the fun of it. The downstream media, unfortunately, is the only source of information for the majority of Americans. This has resulted in a brainwashed society that is following these boneheads(who have been lying so long they believe their own lies) over a 'Niagara Falls'. The sad part is, they ridicule the people trying to stop them, because we all are in the same boat.

Final Word?
This is being written after this article has fallen off the radar screen, and it is unlikely that anyone will read this. Nevertheless, I have to make a point lest the latest accusations go unchallenged.

It was world-wide open knowledge confirmed by the beloved media that the kindly and innocent Saddam Hussein was rewarding the families of suicide bombers and other terrorists with sums of, let's see...what was it?...$25,000? $30,000?

Paying for death in our courts and I believe most any other court constitutes guilt. And how many U.N. resolutions did this maniac ignore? He played chicken with us and many other nations and lost. Is the suggestion that we should have trusted him?

One has to wonder about the motives of those who would defend Saddam and condemn those who stood up to him.

TIME TO CRASH THE PARTY
The supporters of the Iraqi debacle saying liberals can't think for themselves is equivalent to Dr. Phil admonishing a studio guest for being overweight. TALK ABOUT THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!!!!

The primary reasons for going to war with Iraq were Saddam's pursuit of WMD's and a link to Al-Queda. Neither has been proven, but the neo-con lovers still support the war. (Note: Please don't reference the pre-1991 chemical weapons that even a Bush administration defense official cited as not being usable nor being the weapons for which this war was waged.)

Ahmadinejad (Iran) and Kim Jong II (North Korea) are leaders of rogue nations that flaunt their nuclear ambitions. What does our Idiot-in-Chief do? He wastes valuable resources attacking a nation decimated by an eight year war with Iran, further crippled by the first Gulf War, and on the brink of economic ruin because of worldwide sanctions. Are right-wingers exasperated by this flawed logic? Of course not.

9-11 is cited as the reason for the Iraq quagmire. Now of course everyone realizes that 15 of the 19 9-11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. What's the obvious solution? Well, if you're George Bush and beholdened to the Saudi Royal family, you attack Iraq. In accordance with this logic, if roughly 75% of Ohio and Pennsylvania female residents looked like Miss America, men would then flock to Tennessee and Mississippi. Gimme a break!

Finally, now Iraq is a liberation mission. (So much for the no nation building pledge. Do you remember that right-wingers?) Only one problem. That mission has morphed into a civil war between rival religious factions that run centuries deep. Other than bombing the religious sects until they play nice, what can we do? Nothing. And our military men and women are sitting in the middle of this chaos like sitting ducks.

If you initially supported the Iraq war, you may have been riding the emotions of 9-11 and trusting our leaders to hold accountable those responsible for the horrific events of that day. If you still support this war, you're blinded by your right-wing ideaology and misguided loyalty to this administration.

To support this war is your perogative. But please, don't be audacious enough to question others ability to form rational decisions based on fact.

Liberals Loss of Memory
Following is a CNN article and results of a Poll taken in December 1998 following a sustained bombing of Iraq ordered by President Bill Clinton;


Poll: U.S. public endorses Clinton's actions on Iraq
WASHINGTON (AllPolitics) -- The American public has delivered strong support for President Bill Clinton's decision to attack Iraq in the face of Republican claims he was attempting to divert attention from impeachment proceedings against him.

About three in four Americans support the assault launched on Iraq, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll taken Wednesday night.

And only three out of ten people believe Clinton ordered the attack to divert attention from impeachment proceedings against him. Scheduled for Thursday, the proceedings have been delayed because of the Iraq crisis.

A further 76 per cent expressed a "great deal" or "moderate amount" of confidence in Clinton's ability to handle the situation in Iraq.

In a poll of 543 adults conducted after the White House announced the start of the missile attack, 74 percent said they approved of Clinton's order to launch the offensive. Thirteen percent disapproved.

And in a sign of support for Clinton despite the impeachment proceedings, the number of people who believe he uses military strikes as a tactic of distraction is on the wane.

Sixty-two percent of those polled Wednesday night said they believed there was no ulterior motive intended by the president.

On August 20, a similar question was asked when the U.S. attacked Afghanistan and Sudan at the height of the Lewinsky controversy. At that time 58 percent of those polled said it was in the best interests of the nation.

The poll has a 5 percent margin of error.

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll
December 16, 1998

Interviews with 543 adult Americans conducted between 5:30 pm and 9 p.m. on December 16, 1998. All interviews were conducted after the White House announced that the attack on Iraq had been launched.

As you may know, the United Nations chief weapons inspector has reported that Iraq has not complied with its agreement to allow United Nations inspections of possible weapons facilities. In response, the United States and Britain have launched an air attack against Iraq this evening. Do you approve or disapprove of this attack?

Approve 74%
Disapprove 13



Thank goodness someone is speaking up...
I can't believe how little people know! What weinies.

Come to my office
My office is in Melvindale, Michigan. This city borders Dearborn. In each of my exam rooms, I display the pictures and backgrounds of the FBI's top ten wanted terrorists. It's a constant reminder to everyone of the world we live in. I believe in freedom.

You can shut them up, but
Very true but we have to keep up with these folks, here's a little ammunition, fact based, not in the form of rhetoric, just facts. The first of these is the following:
Clinton Address to the Nation
http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
Hillary address to the Senate, supporting Bush request
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs
U.S. Government White Paper, released February 13, 1998

http://www.state.gov/www/regions/nea/iraq_white_paper.html

The followsing is a compendium of different talking points used by Gore, Allbright, Cohen, Berger, others in the Clinton Administration, all before GWB was elected. Many of these were stated at dog and pony shows on college campuses in the lead up to Operation Desert Fox, the one liberals seem to have suppressed from their memories.

I have not gone to the trouble of citing dates,persons, but they have all been validated.
________________________________________________

Generally, Hussein is a proven threat to international security, he is interested in developing chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons and has shown a willingness to use such weapons on Iraq's neighbors but also against Iraq's Kurdish population. Iraq has to be removed as a threat now before it has the ability to lash out at Israel, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait or US troops stationed in the region.

Alternatives to invasion won't solve the problem. UN inspectors were unable to certify that Iraq had disarmed its WMD programs due to Iraqi obstructions. Since the inspectors left Iraq in 1998 Hussein has had considerable time to rebuild his WMD program and to improve his ability to hide critical facilities.

If Iraq were to acquire Weapons of Mass Destruction it could threaten regional stability and deter any potential military action against Iraq. Hussein and his govenment believe that it was their possession of chemical and biological weapons that deterred the Coalition Forces from invading Iraq during Desert Storm. A WMD capable Iraq would become a regional hegemon.

Winning the war would be easy and the costs would be minimal. The Iraqi military was devastated during the Gulf War and has continued to suffer after 11 years of sanctions and other military actions. The United States and its allies can achieve their goals with relatively few troops and costs can be measured as low as $20 billion.

Removing Hussein would be consistent with the goals of the war on terrorism. Iraq has a track record of supporting terrorism throughout the Middle East. A change in regime would eliminate a state sponsor of terrorism.

The Iraqi people would support this action. They live under a brutal and repressive regime with little or no true freedoms.

A democratic Iraqi government would help with the Middle East peace process. Moderate Iraqi regime would discourage militants and boost the credibility of moderate Palestinians who are interested in peace. Iraq financially supports the families of suicide bombers in Palestine, a change of regime could bring an end to this practice.

If Hussein develops chemical, biological or nuclear weapons he could give the weapons to terrorist organization who could use those materials against the United States or its allies.

Toppling Hussein will have little or no negative impacts on the region.


Redhead
No reason at all to apologize for anything that I can see. Just the fact that you would consider making an apology confirms that you are already cut above most of us. By the way, I did venture onto your blog out of curiosity following the courtesy of your earlier response to me, but I neglected to post anything. You will find that most people want to post something where there is a higher expectation that others will read their own wisdom, and they are less interested in reading the wisdom of others. Accordingly, I would direct you to my memoirs, but unfortunately I burned them. (Take heart, liberals will generally take the time to gleefully look for flaws in your position.) Cheers.

To All
I want to apologize for the comments being down on the blogs.

I posted up my own blog last night, just as a test, and I guess so many people are already clamoring to hear my wit and wisdom, demanding that I post something, ANYthing, that they've overwhelmed TH.

You can shut them up, but
You can shut the liberals up by using logic and knowledge but it doesn't change their opinion. It happens all the time on these threads. Knock the libs around with facts and difficult questions and they retreat and slink away. The next day you'll find them spouting the same nonsense on another thread.

Joseph Goebbels never died
He is running ABC-Disney, Viacom, and Vivendi from a secret bunker West of La Cienega.

And a conservative would have been FIRED
Yep, lefties can run roughshod over rights and turn everything into a forced propaganda program (and government bureaucrats are worse).

But were anyone on our side to get caught with even a bumper sticker on her car in the parking lot, she would be unemployed.

Sounds fair, don't it?

Redhead
The folks around my local water coolers are usually talking about who got eliminated from American Idol or some other insipid TV show. I often hear lively political talk at the barber shop but I’ve never been particularly talkative while awaiting my annual prostate exam. Of course Larry might feel differently about his prostate and the patients at his doctor may be a livelier bunch than the ones at mine, but I have my doubts. Furthermore, a rally of any type is not a good place to gage the temperament of the people. By definition, rallies are attended by the more “motivated” of any particular movement. Consider dovenator’s description of a liberal. It fits quite easily with many conservatives as well. I should have added to my earlier post that for many people, emotion can be a factor in clouding one’s judgment.

CVN65: Your point is well taken, but I recall that in the animated part of his movie, Mr. Elder had no qualms with taking directorial liberties. As for my credibility; prior to this comment, I offered no story to be questioned. Now, of course, you can question my description of water cooler, barber shop and prostate examination talk. Yes I questioned Larry’s story because I believe these threads exist to discuss the merits of the column not just say how wonderful the author is and how we conservatives are so superior to liberals.

Laura: there seems to be very few people who can make articulate and intelligent on any topic. And that goes for TH as well as the sites you listed. I refer you to dovenator’s comments also.

MikeR - No, not really
MikeR writes:
Laura: I think it’s sweet when a sister thinks her brother is one of a kind.

Funny, but I think you know that wasn't my point. He's the only one that I personally know. There are a few more out there who can articulately and intelligently argue against the war in Iraq, but they are certainly not the majority. Don't take my word for it - go try to find some reasoned arguments at Kos, Huffpo, or Firedoglake. The majority of them haven't got a clue, and quite a lot of their leadership doesn't either - look at Pelosi's foolish little jaunt to Syria. Even WaPo rebuked her pretty harshly for that one, but all the little nutroots congratulate her for speaking truth to power or some such nonsense.

Mike R
Ok, some of the TH contributors would probably create an encounter to bolster a story or create the setting. I have been reading Mr. Elder for about 2 years now and he appears to be one of the most honest persons I have ever encountered. To a man of his character, lying is just repugnant. I have little trouble believing that this took place exactly as he wrote. I think you are trying to introduce the seed of doubt to attack his credibility (which makes me question yours).

MikeR
"Vain or lazy writers often give their readers the verbal equivalent of fencing with a child."

Of coarse they do. We all do.

"Do you really believe that this conversation ever took place? It is entirely possible, but it is more likely that the story is an exaggeration or fabrication used to make a point"

The situation is entirely believable. Listen around your local water cooler sometime and hear some of the liberal arguments. Go to a rally. Check out http://hq.protestwarrior.com/index.php

dovenator
Your mother-in-laws arguement was valid for a liberal. If they don't know something, it may not be true. Which is why they don't bother learning anything.

HIGHWAY DEATH IN CA - 3,000 A Year
"3,000 people are killed and 180,000 are seriously injured annually on California's highways."

http://www.house.gov/garymiller/TEALUStatement.html

Stupid Liberals
So typical that stupid liberals can't be bothered by facts and reality. It would give them a headache if they really had to analyze the facts of a situation and formulate a position based on those facts instead of repeating bumper stickers. It is mind boggling how little they know. But even worse is that they don't want to know. Recently my mother-in-law came for a visit (she's a McGovern liberal) and when we would present her with facts she didn't like her response was always "well, I don't know that" as if because she doesn't know it it doesn't matter or is untrue. Liberals are the most pathetic uninformed people on the planet. Morons!!

Stupid Liberals
So typical that stupid liberals can't be bothered by facts and reality. It would give them a headache if they really had to analyze the facts of a situation and formulate a position based on those facts instead of repeating bumper stickers. It is mind boggling how little they know. But even worse is that they don't want to know. Recently my mother-in-law came for a visit (she's a McGovern liberal) and when we would present her with facts she didn't like her response was always "well, I don't know that" as if because she doesn't know it it doesn't matter or is untrue. Liberals are the most pathetic uninformed people on the planet. Morons!!

Matthew
You wrote:

"At best, there were no WMDs."

I suggest you read Michael Fumento's work on WMD. Also Kenneth R. Timmerman's.

According to these guys, who have done real, in-country ivestigations, Saddam had Russian MIgs, al Samoud missiles, yellowcake, a centrifuge, chemical precursors for chemical weapons, and mobile labs capable of producing WMD.

Lt. Col. Georges Sada, second-in-command of Saddam's air force, has told us that many WMD were taken out of the country in passenger jets whose insides had been stripped to make room for cargo in the last weeks before the invasion.

Hundreds of warheads filled with chemical weapons, including mustard gas, were found a few weeks after the invasion.

The lib media are the ones who LIED. They have lied about every aspect of the war. From calling it a quagmire before it began, to false predictions about the ability of the Republican Guard, to Jessica Lynch, to the looting of the national museum, to incorrect predictions about Iraqi apathy for free elections, to calling the work of terrorists a "resistance", to calling the work of al Qaeda a "civil war", to bogus polls about lack of support at home and in Iraq for our occupation, to how many and what kind of WMD have been found, to Korans being flushed at Gitmo, to Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame.

The Democrats and the lib media keep saying Iraq is another Vietnam, but it's really another Cold War. You remeber the Cold War don't you? That was the arms race we ran against the Soviets, which the Democrats and media opposed and told us we were hopelessly losing right up until the Berlin Wall fell, and then suddenly tried to take credit for the victory.

Watch/hear/see something besides the liberal MSM and you might get a clue.

Redhead
Interesting theory which I may borrow as yet more proof that I’m not a liberal; but I suspect the truth is rather different. Vain or lazy writers often give their readers the verbal equivalent of fencing with a child. There is always a good counter argument to any point. The most skillful debaters practice rebutting their own arguments to ferret out any weaknesses or flaws. Do you really believe that this conversation ever took place? It is entirely possible, but it is more likely that the story is an exaggeration or fabrication used to make a point. The point is well taken. Many people base their opinions on poor incomplete information. Unfortunately, this situation is not limited to any one age group or political faction.

Laura: I think it’s sweet when a sister thinks her brother is one of a kind.

MikeR
"I see this with other columnists too. They never seem to have encounters with articulate people who can defend their position."

No, they never seem to have encounters with articulate LIBERALS who can defend their position.

That's because articulate liberals who can defend their position are on kept on a reserve and protected before they go extinct. Another waste of tax payer money. JFK was shot years ago, so now the reserve sits empty.

Larry Elder Is The Sage!
Great article. Great response. Unfortunately, it sounds too familiar. By your courage, I find additional strength in mine. We need to win the peace in Iraq! Stay on em, Larry!

Thanks for not backing down
Too often we conservatives are polite to the ignorance we endure day after day. Thanks Larry for not letting it go. It probably won't help, liberals are incorrigible after all, but we must continue to fight.

Too Much CNN
It sounds like that air head recoptionist has been watching too much CNN>

it's typical
MikeR writes: They never seem to have encounters with articulate people who can defend their position.

In my experience most of the people who are against the war are inarticulate and ill-informed. They don't read milblogs or Iraqi blogs, have no idea what the troops they are trying to "save" think about it, no grasp of history, and no idea that much of the country has seen vast improvements.

In particular, they have no idea what the terrorists themselves say about the war, no idea of concepts like taqiyya, never heard of the jizya, don't understand the life of the dhimmi that they are so gladly embracing in the name of multi-culturalism... in short, most people I've encountered who are against the war have no idea what they are talking about.

I know only one person (my brother) who is articulate and reasonably well informed yet still against the war.

Liberal Ignorance!
Liberals are to narrow minded and ignorant to comprehend their wrong about just about everything! Wait, I am wrong, they ARE wrong about everything!

The MSM has pliable putty in their hands. Liberals never fact check or seek a second opinion. In fact, many of their 'Facts' are nothing more than opinion or theories. But Liberals toss these around and use them as facts.

Liberals are too stupid to know they are stupid!

Liberalism Is A Very Sad Condition

And what's telling is that the same people who cannot rationally discuss the proper roll of the State in a well-ordered Society without resorting to cheap debate tricks are the same people who also believe in Fahrenheit 911, the Pentagon/No Airplane Conspiracy, and Albert Gore's version of global warming.

I have people like this in my own family and it's pathetic.

Lemming Libs
Way to do the smack down Mr. Elder. It is sad that no one else in that office even said "Way to go." We all know what happens to lemmings when they follow each other. Thanks for being on the side of sanity.

It was pointless
People like this obnoxious 20 year old are so sure they know what they're talking about, their heads so full of mush and drivel, there is no room left for logic, rationality or commonsense, all of which are completely lacking in their "education."

The certitude of the anti-war crowd, based on faux facts and wild conspiracy, is set in concrete. They are totally "correct" and if you won't participate in their group think, you are evil and stoopid.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, except when it's already wasted by ignorance, hatred, and twisted ideology. Sounds like we're talking about Islamofacists instead of dhimmicraticks.

ever notice
Did you notice how Larry found himself surrounded by folks who didn’t know even some of the most rudimentary aspects of history? Then of course, Larry calmly sets them straight. I see this with other columnists too. They never seem to have encounters with articulate people who can defend their position.

Larry my Hero
I agree with a post above, Larry is a Warrior! Just flat out awesome article, thank you for sharing with us! Very motivational!

Larry
I'm glad there are still men like you around. If we all did this once in a while, someone, somewhere may be turned from the Dark Side.

Kingsman, Thank you for the lesson. It's a perspective I had not heard before, but had felt, and it's too true to dismiss.

Good for you but...
I'm sure everything you said fell on deaf ears and they probably thought you were the misguided one.

At my job, I'm sent emails that will make Bush look ridiculous with liberal propaganda from my co-workers. Most of them are young and still being weaned on MTV. They have as little grasp of events as the people in your doctor's office. When I try to have a serious discussion with them to enlighten their perspective, it does no good.

I gave up.

Mr. Elder
Excellent! Thank you for not backing down. When one of my patients starts with the "Bush Lied" cr*p, I tell them I don't agree with them and do not discuss politics in the office. I offer to meet with them for coffee and a discussion. So far they have all been too scared to say yes. You can bet this 20 year old will keep her trap shut next time you go in. BTB your proctologist would really want to know that his staff is badgering his patients. I am John Doe.

Larry
Great one, i continue to believe that if we had to fight WW11 today (hitler, tojo etc) half of these dopes would be saying its for oil, lies , Haliberton or whatever. There is no way we would win with this bunch. Imagine what the NY times would have said after Iwo Jima or some of our other early losses.

Elder's Insight and Solomon
Larry Elder always brings insight to an argument. At the doctor’s office he was dealing with the sponges who have absorbed the liberal drivel for years and who have been led like lemmings by the media. This now is a bit off subject and one step higher up the chain, but it is about the best way I can describe the liberals’ position on America, and I don’t think Mr. Elder would disagree:

Two women once came before King Solomon, each claiming the same child. Each woman had had a son within days of each other, but one of them had accidentally rolled over onto her child in her sleep, suffocating him. Desperate and determined to have a child, the grieving woman switched her dead baby with the live baby of the other woman. The other mother realized the deception, and the case eventually came before the king.

The king heard the claims of each woman, with each saying that she was the mother of the child. He then issued what would have seemed to be a brutal and heartless order: “Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one and half to the other.”

Horrified and heartbroken that her son would be killed, the real mother pleaded with the king: “Oh, my lord, give her the living child, and by no means kill him.”

The mother who had stolen the innocent woman’s child, still bitter and obsessed with her loss, instead said: “He shall be neither mine nor yours; divide him!”

Solomon’s wisdom was revealed when he issued his final judgment: “Give the first woman the living child, and by no means kill him. She is his mother.”

With that story as the backdrop, I fear that the liberals would prefer this nation divided in two and dead rather than to see conservatives as the winners trying to protect that which they love. This is a hard charge, but the evidence supports what I am saying.

Thank you Mr Elder
In our country it seems too easy to just keep quiet and nod politly and let these idiots have their say. Avoid confrontation at ALL costs. Kinda like the dems foreign policy. If we loose this war people like that receptionist will be the first to screech about her rights except there will be no one left to listen. I believe the people in this country have been insulated from the war to the point they don't believe it is happening. During WWII everyone was involved in bond drives, rationing, what ever it took. Until American citizens have to deal with the consequences of islamic terror they will pretend there is no threat. I am John Doe

Excellent.
Mr. Elder hits it perfectly. Everyone knows that around here, facts make the left-minded thinkers shrivel up likthe wicked witch from Oz. It is amazing....Great article.

Way to go, Sage!
I can always count on Larry Elder to use cold hard facts, his sharp intelligence, and good old fashioned common sense to put ignorant liberals in their place. I can only imagine the "deer in headlights" look on the faces of the people in that waiting room after Larry was done with them.

Way do go, Sage!

If you want to listen to Elder
http://www.kabc.com and he is on from 3-6PM California time, M-F.

I live where I can hear Elder...
His theme song is "we don't back down" and he lives it.

On today's radio show he mentioned that some blacks (Larry Elder is a Black)accuse him of being on the "white side".

He countered that during the show he picked on whites such as Pelosi, Edwards and others in the government. All white.

I don't like Elder just because he fights against Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and Maxine Waters, he hits all the hyprocrites and woefully uninformed. The man is a warrior. And he is right.

Larry

I am glad to hear you decided against getting that burger !

Well,Now is right, this is probably the first time they heard any facts, instead of the drivel put forth by the Media of the Masses.

Keep the Faith !

And keep up the great work !

At least you gave them something
to think about. Or maybe they were quiet because they were TRYING to think... Did you see smoke?

Probably the FIRST time they heard such things.

If only our President or other reps would be as forceful and knowledgeable....
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