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Thursday, December 07, 2006
Larry Elder :: Townhall.com Columnist
If "war is not the answer," then what is?
by Larry Elder
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"War is not the answer."

So said the bumper sticker on the car I parked behind. Early for my haircut, I decided to sit a bit and ponder the gravity of that message. "War is not the answer" -- to what? To non-war? To, say, the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor? To Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939? To the simultaneous multi-Arab nation attack on the newly United-Nations-chartered State of Israel in 1948?

The bumper-sticker driver, undoubtedly, knows of a "peaceful" or "diplomatic" response to all of history's wars. Since he or she completely rejects the notion of a "just war," I decided to wait a bit in hopes that the driver might return to enlighten me.

What to do, for example, with the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who directly threatens the United States? He said, "God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism." Only recently, he elaborated. In talks in Qatar with Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, Ahmadinejad said, "[T]he Zionist regime was created to establish dominion of arrogant states over the region and to enable the enemy to penetrate the heart Muslim land." Haniyeh said Israel was "on the verge of disappearing." "There is no doubt the Palestinian nation and Muslims as a whole will emerge victorious," the Iranian president told Haniyeh.

Since "war is not the answer," how would Mr./Ms. Bumper Sticker respond? Ignore it? Apparently, Ahmadinejad does not mean it. Take action first? Of course not, since, if "war is not the answer," then presumably "preemptive war" is not either.

What about our military's recent report of "smoking gun" evidence of Iran's direct shipment of munitions to "insurgents" in Iraq? After free elections in Iraq where nearly 80 percent of eligible Iraqis voted, after the establishment of a constitution, after the establishment of a multi-ethnic government, the Holocaust-denying country of Iran sends money, munitions and intel to destroy Iraq's fledgling government. Advice, please.

Israel, the country Iran seeks to "wipe out from the map of the world," pulled completely out of the Gaza Strip. In return, the Palestinians sent rockets into Israel and kidnapped a soldier. Meanwhile, in southern Lebanon, under the noses of the United Nations "peacekeepers," terror group Hezbollah, financed by Iran, built a stockpile of thousands of rockets, a substantial portion of which ended up cascading down on Israeli towns and villages during the Hezbollah/Lebanon/Syria/Iran war against Israel. What, then, is "the answer"?

What of World War II -- a catastrophic conflict resulting in over 50 million military and civilian deaths? Winston Churchill wrote that if France and Britain had taken early action to stop Hitler, the entire war might have been averted. But, again, "preemptive war" is still war, is it not?

Iran claims it pursues uranium enrichment for peaceful purposes. Yet the International Atomic Energy Agency cannot corroborate those claims. Meanwhile, members of the United Nations, like Russia, sell nuclear technology to Iran. China negotiates deals with Iran to ensure a continuous supply of oil. If "war is not the answer," what about selling nuclear technology when the buyer says that a fellow United Nations state should be wiped out? What's the answer to one of Ahmadinejad's predecessors, Hashemi Rafsanjani, who said, "[T]he use of an atomic bomb against Israel would totally destroy Israel, while [the same] against the Islamic world would only cause damage. Such a scenario is not inconceivable."

But that's just Israel. What about Europe and America?

Osama bin Laden's 1998 fatwa urged Muslims to target American civilians as "a religious duty." Michael Scheuer, who created and ran the CIA's bin Laden unit, says that in 2003 bin Laden got a Saudi sheik to issue a fatwa authorizing the use of nuclear weapons against Americans, to retaliate for Muslims killed in the "holy war." Jordanian journalist Fouad Hussein, for his book "Al-Zarqawi: Al-Qaeda's Second Generation," interviewed several of bin Laden's top lieutenants, including the late Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Hussein outlines al-Qaeda's strategy of seven phases -- the first one beginning as an "awakening" for Muslims worldwide following the September 11 attacks. The plan culminates with the "definitive victory" of "one-and-a-half billion Muslims" and the establishment of a global Islamic caliphate by 2020.

The Baker-Hamilton Commission wants "dialogue" with Syria and Iran. But the United Nations implicated Syria in the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. More recently, assassins shot to death Pierre Gemayel, the high-ranking Lebanese industry minister, and another critic of Syria.

Oops, I was now late for my appointment. So the "answer" to war must await my haircut and mustache trim.

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What the libs seem to want to do.
Evidently they want us to hide in our living rooms and pretend the nightly news on TV is accurate and nothing will happen to us if we leave other countries alone , except when the liberals want us to intervene a little bit like Somalia, or too little, too late, like Bosnia. Then, when attacked, we launch a couple of missiles at an abandoned(because we will warn them)building or pasture. Stalin's blind eye towards Hitler comes to mind, but that only cost Russia a few million lives,and Stalin did not care. I sometimes wonder about the liberal demo politicians. They probably think they can talk the Islamists out of killing everyone who is not a radical Muslim, and they want Israel out of our hair anyway. If we follow the "surrender report', not only will Israel be out of our hair, so will our heads. Baker and company must have studied the New York Times real hard to arrive at their conclusions (delusions).

Life and Love - That is THE answer!
War is NEVER the answer, Life and Love ALWAYS are. Nothing has happened that warrants the death of any human being, whether they be the soldiers, the "enemy", or especially the innocent civilians. All of this aggression could have been avoided if we lived like John Lennon described in his inspirational song "Imagine". The people of the middle east are poor, so they are fighting us because we have so much. The rich should be stripped of their wealth and that money distributed to the poor in the middle east. That would show Love, and Life would prosper. War would be unnecessary. The answer is simple - if you aren't greedy.

Um, what was the question again?
It's like that wonderful euphemism, "choice." A woman's choice. Sounds good. Choice is good -- how American! But choice between what? The life or the death of a "fetus" -- read: young one. Hmm. Choice to kill a baby?

That's why they talk about answers, or what are not answers, but leave the question out.

So what is the question, that war isn't the answer to?

Maybe the question is "Hey honey, what would you like to have for dinner tonight?" War is not the answer. "What's the most fun you ever had doing with your little daughter?" War is not the answer. You see? The bumper sticker isn't wrong after all! How wise, Mr/Ms Bumbersticker-haver may very well be.

But "What do you do with the criminal who's trying to rape your wife?" War. "What do you do with the implacable enemy who plans and will execute a vast effort to kill you and enslave your family?" War.

Simple. All we needed was clarity.

J
http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/

This isn't the first time....
We have heard throughout history how talks will solve problems. Unfortunately that is when both sides want a solution that did not necessitate the total irradication or control of another culture. Or the entire world.

The Muslim fanatics will not take over the world, Europe or even the continent of Asia any time soon. There are simply too many other folks who will fight to keep their own identity, culture and religion. At least I think some will. I think there are more Chinese than there are muslims on this planet for instance. [France and Spain already surrendered]

However the nutjobs who wish to rule by religion, or because of it, can be a real pain in everyone elses' backside. In fact they can be very very deadly. It seems we are quickly approaching the time when we may find out how much more deadly they can be beyond what we already know. In fact we could see golbal war if we allow it.

The Iraq Study Group (ISG) shows us a fine example of table diplomacy. Talk about stuff, compromise about words, facts and actions. Keep it vague and non-threatening so you don't tick off any group, religion, political faction, nation, nationality, race or for that matter insect species.

However what the ISG group did was give a HUGE boost to the status and propaganda value of Iran and Syria. Iran now will boast they have fought the US to their knees and the US already admits it "needs" Iran to pull the chestnuts out of the fire.

The Baker-Hamilton duo have torpedoed America and basically stated that our diplomacy prevents valued enforcement of our national interests and we are already packing our bags for home.

American's are woossies, except for the folks who fight, but they don't get to chose the fight or decide when to win, or lose. "Seasoned public servants" decide that. A quote from the ISG press conference.

I get just as tired as the next guy of thinking America has to rush in to save someones' bacon. We are still in Bosnia after Clinton said six months and home for Christmas. We ran from Somalia because Our President Bill changed plans and didn't have to power to make it stick.

Now we are about to bail on Iraq, the region and coincidentially, the control of half the world's supply of oil. So much for Haliburton running the war games huh?

The inmates are running the asylums worldwide. In America they get paid to do it and get airtime on TV to boot.

I have said it elsewhere and again here. The Middle East culture insists on respect. That means it must respect you or you are camel dung. To avoid being camel dung you must be more powerful than the "friend" you are dealing with. Oh yes. Never forget they will lie to your face, with a smile, because you are only camel dung after all.

You like the taste of dates no? Get used to the taste. When the defeatist politicans get finished with this we may all recognize the odor of burning camel dung too.

Lucky for us there are lots of great places to go and things to see in the U.S. because foreign travel may become a lot more dangerous very soon. Alaska is looking good too, never seen a camel up there.












Loyal democrat.
Must you embarrass [some] of the Democrat Party loyalists?

"Imagine" facing a gang-banger in Los Angeles who will cut you up for kicks.

"Imagine" a pedophile reaching for a child.

"Imagine" a racist hanging a minority.

"Imagine" Saddam Hussein killing 175,000 of his own countrymen.

Now imagine America run by Imans who run your life and marry off your daughter at the age of 12.

I have never stated a personal attack in my posts on Townhall regarding someone's outlook on life, however you truly test my patience here.

tanabear
"If war is the answer in the case of Iraq, then how will killing more Iraqi's make their country more stable, peaceful and an ally in the war on terror? It won't."

The reason war is not the answer to some people is because they do not understand war. In their minds, war isn't about shooting at the enemy until they cease returning fire. It works, trust me.

Case in point, Iraq. You think killing more Iraqis won't solve the problem. This is false. The number of Iraqis is not infinite, and when only one is left standing, he'll have a hard time killing his fellow Iraqis, now won't he?

Ideally, since Iraqis are intelligent human beings, they will notice that it's coming to that and genuinely surrender to avoid a pointless death.

That's war. It is definitely an answer.

police action
the press and a lot of the left look at war as just a larger group of "policemen" keeping the peace. it is as if the military must justify every shot fired, count their rounds before and after, and go before a board to judge whether he acted correctly.
that is not war.
a military and war effort is a blunt instrument. if used correctly, there will be significant collateral damage. the job of the military is to crush the opposition with overwhelming force such that the enemy surrenders.
so why don't we do that?
it is because the media browbeats the US military with every casualty, blames the military and not the terrorists. when the terrorists brutally saws off a truely innocent victim's head and sends the video out, the media touts our enemy as strong and invincible. the media also prints top secret information for our enemies!! desn't anyone see that that is wrong. why aren't these leakers sought after and hung as traitors. shouldn't the reporters that gave this info to the enemy be held responsible?
we have to remember that the media does not care about the US. they are globalists. they have no country, patriotism or loyalties. need an example:
new york times - prints top secret information as a matter of policy
cnn - made an agreement not to report anti-Saddam info to stay in bagdad
the problem with staying the course as it stands today is that it is a PC war where the US military is defanged.
if we want to win, we need to redouble our efforts, confront syria and iran. we need to do what we need to do to safeguard our interests regardless of the press we get. when the soviets went into areas to put down an uprising they did it with overwhelming force with a lot of collateral damage. sure we protested but the press was always willing to give the USSR a pass and downplay their ruthlessness. why is that??

Life and Love - That is THE answer??????
Loyal Democrat writes: "War is NEVER the answer, Life and Love ALWAYS are. Nothing has happened that warrants the death of any human being, whether they be the soldiers, the "enemy", or especially the innocent civilians."
Branch Dividians were murdered by Democrats. Innocent babies are murdered daily by Democrats. Democrat lawyers seek to have violent criminals excused from prison, allowing them to return to the streets where they can continue murdering innocent citizens. Start with your own party if you wish to stop the killing of innocents.

"All of this aggression could have been avoided if we lived like John Lennon described in his inspirational song "Imagine"."
Then why have the Beatles & their survivors hung on to their wealth vs. redistributing it as suggested? It would seem if they truely believed it, they would lead by example.

"The answer is simple - if you aren't greedy."
As are Kerry, Kennedy, Rockefeller, Gates, Corzine, Clinton, Gore, the Beatles & entertainers in general?

Communism is no different that the slavery practiced in the Democrat South with a few elitists being rich, while the rest of society is equally poor.

smart war
Fighting a smart war is the answer. All our bullets and bombs need to be dipped in pigs oil and the killing in Iraq will stop. Any Muslim killed by such a bullet goes to hell, not paradise. We don't need more troops in Iraq, we need more smarts. Let's use Islam against these warring Muslims.

Unless Loyal Democrat is a Nun
he or she is a Ponytail Hippie who has a higher income than most of us put together, which he or she does not work for. These are the only people who bleat "war is not the answer" and believe it.

The only possible response to people like them (besides slapping them until they wake up) is to ship them to the Gaza Strip or North Korea and leave them there. As a friend of mine who was a pacifist when he was shipped off to Vietnam said when he came home, "They can't make you fight. But they can put you where the fighting is and let you make up your own mind."

spiritof76
It worked for Black Jack Pershing in the Phillipines.

Quote
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. "
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

You know....
Loyal Democrat is jsut trying to "egg" us all on...Don't even bother with him/her. If that is really how this person thinks,the light is not on and will never be. Don't waste your energy getting testy, they love that. Smile instead and say "Poor bas**tard,he's got those rose-colored glasses super-glued to his head and "Imagine" on his Ipod to repeat all day long. No wonder!"

Their Turn
The democrats will soon have the opportunity to show us the most effective way to deal with radical Islam. They will have a full two years(maybe even more)to show us how we have been wrong all along. The lessons of history be damned! Appeasment now...appeasment forever!
"Imagine" the Minisrty of Vice and Virtue knocking on your front door.

The path to he11 is paved with good intentions, and the democrats are mixing the mortar.

Pacifism
A complete pacifist who believes war is NEVER the right response, must be willing in the end to submit to slavery. I could respect that, but I think that most of the anti-war folk haven't thought it through to that conclusion. Many seem to think that if we just kept our soldiers home (or didn't have any), that peace would break out somehow. I think they (bless their hearts) really believe that everyone in the world is just like them, and wants to live in peace. I'm just not sure how they explain the Hitlers, the gang-rapers, the hate crimers, the serial killers... you know, the bad guys.

A Question for Loyal Democrat
So, the solution is to "strip" the wealthy of their wealth? And what if they object to you taking their wealth? Is was THEN the answer? I have a feeling you would not be so offended if the war were fought to strip the wealthy of their possessions.

Appeasement and wishful thinking
are not the answer. Will one of you libs please illustrate just ONE war that was avoided by either? I repeat; AVOIDED, not postponed.

How can you flower children be so blind to the obvious? We are not talking about a school lot spat. A determined agressor is only encouraged by percieved weakness because there is no cost to his aggression. War or the threat of retalliation is a very real cost, making it a very real answer.

Was it not Stalin who stated (paraphrased): "press forward with your bayonets. If you feel softness, press further; if you feel steel, stop"

Hey kids! I believe "Loyal Democrat" . .
. . . is really a conservative sarcastically writing the childish, anti-intellectual babble of the left in order to expose the vapidity of the left and to raise our hackles in order that we may be ever vigilant. For that, I applaud LD.

Whoever this Loyal Democrat is....
Are you on dope or something? You're either joking or you're the most ignorant of and oblivious to history.

Like you, your cult hero John Lennon was most likely on drugs while he wrote those words.

I feel sorry for your employer, if you're employed, because you must be one of the laziest droop out there to embrace that kind of thinking. Sure, you "have the right" to your opinion, but everyone "has the right" to call you on how stupid your opinion is.

So, you'd favor stripping the rich of their hard earned wealth just so the slackers and the bums and the dope heads who don't want to be creative and competitive can get fat for free? Well, what would you consider wealthy? What's the magic salary level at which one is considered wealthy? While you're at it, also think of why would someone who may be creative or an inventor, would want to support you or your kind for no reason? What about some hardworking father of five willing to pull in double shifts at some labor intensive jobs to care for his family? Would such a person want to just work harder just so the world would have love? Get real, Loyal Democrat!

Let me tell you, that income redistribution crapola doesn't work, has never worked, and will never work. Just take a break from your dope trip and read up on the impact and results of all current and past socialist/communist regimes, where similar peace-loving-income-stealing governments bled dry every human creativity and passion.

OK, thanks for taking a brief moment away from your dope. Now you can go back to your dope and talk to John Lennon.


Loyal democrat
I guess you don't read history books. Because if you had, you would realize that war did in fact achieve somegreat things, like a free USA, defense of our country against aggression by Japan and Germany, kept South Korea free from communism, and brought down a ruthless tyrant. Now, if you trully beleive that redistributing the wealth will fix all the problems, you go first. When you have demptied out all your accounts, then get your fellow rich liberals to do the same. Once you all have shown us the light, then you might actually have a point. Until then, its all just hot air from the "do as I say, not as I do" crowd.

marc of ca
on your comments to loyal democrat. One word: satire! Read it again, it's so over the top it has to be satire.

Loyal Democrat
I made the mistake of replying to LD before seeing the posts by the same name on other articles. Have to agree, LD is either a conservative amusing himself or the last person on earth who thinks eating Ben and Jerry's makes them socially conscious.

Then again, I have heard arguments no less stupid being seriously presented by real liberals. After all, we did have a Dem primary candidate suggesting a "Department of Peace". So, while I suspect LD is a farce, I am not entirely convinced.

Shameless Plug Alert
Stop by Heartland Patriot and check out the articles there. Leave a comment. Let me know what you think. We need more voices and viewpoints on the issues there. Come one, come all.


I knew it would come to this
quoting "Imagine"

Now there's this guy who has MORE than enough money to last for the rest of his life, (assuming of course semi-intelligent behavior on his part.)He lives in a huge apartment in one of the most exclusive buildings in New York. He is the darling of the New York left. He has basically enough money to go anywhere and do anything he wants.

BUT

He is an IDEALIST.

SO

He sits down at his white piano one day and writes a song called "Imagine" and one of the lines goes like this:

"Imagine no possessions - I wonder if you can."

Can you say "hypocrite" boys and girls?

Question
How many people out there have read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand?

Who is John Galt?

Loyal Democrat
Dear Loyal Democrat,

Please stop drinking that Kool Aid!!

Loyal Democrat
I can't believe nobody has picked apart the core of his uneducated, ignorant argument: that radical Islamists hate us because we are wealthy and they are not. Show me one iota of evidence to justify that argument. They don't give a crap about our wealth or our freedom. They hate us because WE ARE NOT MUSLIM!!!

You stupid freaking libs will never get it through your head that you CANNOT APPEASE these people. They don't want your job, they don't want your car. They don't want your attractive wife. THEY WANT YOU DEAD! They don't give a crap that you somehow sypathize with their plight. They would kill you in a second and enjoy watching you die. They don't want anything else.

This argument that we need to look beneath the rhetoric to see what they really want is insane. There is no underlying message. The rhetoric is the message. This kind of attitude is why we are going to lose this war-and I don't mean Iraq. I mean the long term freedom and liberty we have fought so hard for is going to be gone because stupid libs think we can stop people, who will sacrifice everything (including themselves) to kill us and destroy "infidels," with a piece of apple pie and Kumbaya.

Remember!!!
Remember 1812!!!!
Remember the Alamo!!!!
Remember Goliad!!!!!
Remember Pearl Harbor!!!
Remember Auschwitz!!!!
Remember New York!!!!



Respect
Muslims only respect raw power. Talk is weakness. We must smash them so that they cannot fight.
Let's mine all Iranian ports until they stay away from the Iraq conflict. If that doesn't work, bomb all their military facilities with cruise missiles. That will get their attention.

War Against?
For the Muslim world this is a religious war. Americans are having a hard time coming to grips with that. Labels are all over the place but finding this called a religious war is rare except on sites like this. Once you get the nations leaders making that label stick you will get the American people asking themselves which religion 'WE" are. And there's the rub. It will split the nation. So the leaders are avoiding the label, which would be the truth, to avoid the question of whether we're Christian or some other religion or no religion at all. None of which matters much to the Muslims. We're not them so whateve we choose to call ourselves is immaterial to them.
Therefore we could get by just by calling ourselves anti-Muslim. Guess who gets irked by that: the new congresscritter from MN and his kind. There's not escaping that one day this nation is either going to take sides in this religious war or cease to be the nation we are... or were.
And LD, you're a hoot. Is your tongue and cheek sore? Imagine that.

para_dimz: something to think about
you stated:

"Therefore we could get by just by calling ourselves anti-Muslim. Guess who gets irked by that: the new congresscritter from MN and his kind."

um..that congresscritter from MN is an AMERICAN.

WT_ are all you libs smoking? Huh?
Does no one remember what happened in 2001? What's the saying, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, or something like that? Are we as a country / society so blind / ignorant that we totally ignore a madman president like Ahmedinejad in Iran when he says things like "we must eradicate America and anyone else who doesn't conform to our way of thinking / religion". WTF (btw, that's not a direct quote)

What happend in 1941? I wasn't around but history shows that we didn't get involved in helping others to fight against tyranny (Hilter) and that huge attrocities were committed and etc. We didn't get involved until WE GOT ATTACKED! Pearl Harbor, Dec 7, 1941. That was bad all the way around. Now there are nutbags around the world who are committed to seeing that the "infidels must die". IT'S WAR! WE MUST DEFEND OUR COUNTRY AND OUR WAY OF LIFE! ANYONE WHO DOESN'T THINK THAT IT'S REASONABLE THAT WE DECLARED WAR AGAINST TERRORISM IS EXHIBITING THE SHORTCOMINGS THAT OUR ENTIRE SOCIETY IS DISPLAYING BY STICKING THERE COLLECTIVE HEADS IN THE SAND. SACRIFICES BEYOND IMAGINING HAVE BEEN MADE OVER THE PAST 300 YEARS TO GIVE US THE FREEDOM TO SIT ON OUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND COMPLAIN, WHINE, B I T C H AND MOAN THAT "W" IS LEADING US TO DISASTER WITH HIS ACTIONS. WELL, AT LEAST IT'S ACTION! UNLIKE OUR BUDDY, WJC, WHO DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD IS IS, WHO SOMEHOW MANAGED TO GET THE LOVE OF THE WORLD BECAUSE OF WHAT? INACTION AND LEADING OUR COUNTRY BY "NEVER HAVING HAD SEX WITH THAT WOMAN". I'M TELLING YOU THAT THE LIBERAL ATTITUDE OF OUR COUNTRY'S "MAJORITY" WILL SPELL THE DOOM OF THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA, NOT IN MY LIFETIME (I hope) but I believe that the USA will be "CONQUERED" during the life of my children or grandchildren. MAY GOD BLESS THEM AND HOLD THEM SAFE.

HEY EVERYBODY, THERE IS EVIL IN THE WORLD AND NO WE CAN'T ALL JUST GET ALONG. AND ANOTHER THING, THE EVIL IN THE WORLD WANTS TO KILL US! YOU CAN HIDE IN YOUR SAFE (for now) homes and spew your liberal ideals and make changes to our laws and illegalize what our country was founded on and legislate your version of morality and claim entitlement to everything you're not "entitled" to and work so hard to create a "nanny state" because no one but you knows what's best for us, U.S. (as Paul Harvey would say). BULLS--T!

YOU KNOW WHAT? THE ONLY TIME TALKING SERVES TO RESOLVE A CONFLICT IS WHEN BOTH SIDES WANT A RESOLUTION. CAN'T WE SEE THAT THE RADICALS WHO ARE RUNNING THE SHOW WILL NOT BE SATISFIED WITH ANY "COMPROMISE OR MUTUAL AGREEMENT" UNTIL THEY HAVE WON! AND WINNING TO THEM IS ASSIMILATION OR ELIMINATION. THE ASSIMILATION OR ELIMINATION OF US, U.S. (as Paul Harvey would say) that is all that's going to satisfy them.

I find it almost humorous that not too long ago, we as a country took pride in being a world superpower. What do we, as a country take pride in now. (Oh, I'm sorry, pride is probably something we shouldn't have because that would undoubtedly lead to someones having a low self-esteem problem, and WE DON'T WANT THAT!)

WHEW! I'm typing up a sweat here. DAMN, it just pisses me off that "we" can be so stupid!!! Hey, and another thing, since when do we allow gays and criminals to sway our way of thinking and legislation. BULLS--T.! Hey, anybody got any idea what place in society gays, lesbians and criminals hold in the world of ISLAM? HUH? I'll give you one guess... (um, if I offended you with my words, I'm NOT sorry. You're not "entitled" to a life free from offense.)

To "Loyal Democrat"
That was THE absolute, most stupid, idiotic, moronic, retarded, insane comment I have ever read anywhere in my life. You have not even a shred of a clue about life and the evil people in this world that live to do nothing else but kill, to further their own maniacal desires. We are all 50 IQ points lower for having read your dim-witted post. My vocabulary falls short as a result so I can't express any further on what an incredible dope you are. Sadly there are others like you, that read your post and thought "My god, he's right". To those, I say you will regret your thoughts as they will be your last, when the peace loving scimitar of Islam cuts off your Lennon-istic head.

nwhas: you exxagerate the threat..
I think you misinterpret the way liberals, dems or anyone else that disagrees with president bush on Iraq and terrorism.

Islamofascism is a term that slurs a entire group of people that practice Islam, so therefore in your mind and people that think like you ALL MUSLIMS ARE THE ENEMY.

Then you rant on about THEY WANT TO KILL ALL OF US AMERICANS...

I have a queston for you:

EXACTLY HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ACHIEVE THIS?

My interpretation is that the group of people who are planning and executing terrorist violence against western interest are a relatively small and nebulous group that operates in the shadows around the world.
In other words they blend in with the rest of us. They are a covert enemy.

The trouble with President Bush and his supporters is that they are attempting to fight
a conventional war against a uncoventional opponent and even though the U.S. has the most sophisticated and powerful military in the world with the most modern weapons and communications technology, they are being bested by a group of ragtag insurgencts who are fighting with antiquated weapons and people bombs.

Is there a threatining enemy to the U.S. and westernn interest?

Sure thing, however you over exxagerate the threat, because I seriously doubt they could inflict the type of collosal damage that you are so paranoid about. They simply dont have the capacity to do so.

Marc of CA
I like your “Imagine” scenarios. For the first 2, why does going to a different place and blowing all their buildings up fix the matter? For the next 2, what makes Iraq so special? And for the last one, how did the war prevent that and why would it have happened in the first place?

Hey, just kidding for the most part. Actually, I don’t think Loyal Democrat is a real person. I think some one is just making a cliché character and comment to stir things up like Nee already suggested.


Lydia: “Otherwise: get out and stay out of the middle east, it is not our business.
AND do everything in our power to protect Israel.”?
Israel is in the Middle East.

Sorry, I don’t know why I have the urge to tease you today.

LUFT ANGEL
Not paranoid. Concerned.
Sure there is much that may have been done differently, should have been. But, the danger of inaction is far greater in my opinion than taking a battle to those who incited it. There are many in this country who believe that it is worth thier own sacrifice in order to keep the USA the USA.
What makes you an authority on "the threat" anyway? What makes you think that Ahmadenijad would hesitate to use nukes once he / they get nuclear weaponry developed? What do you think will happen once the USA cuts and runs from the war that we were goaded in to?
It is not my intent to lump all Muslims in to the radical aspect of what we are fighting against, but let me ask you what you know about the religion of Islam and what it is based on. I'd like to suggest that you do some reading of the Koran / Quaran. You might just be surprised.

Achmed Slayer
Exactly on point. That is the problem. It has been 5 years since those towelheads attacked us, and now we are at the point that it is "our fault". Of course the dems wouldn't say that at that time (a few of them did, and were quickly quieted), but now we are 180 degrees and 5 years removed and we are subjected to the left's crap that it is probably our fault.

It is time that the US act like the hyperpower it is and start dictating what we will and won't tolerate. If the Euros get upset, WHO CARES! I say we give the terrorists in Iraq/Iran exactly 2 days to knock it off, or else we come in and practice war "with extreme prejudice". And quit the embedded journalist stuff so that we don't have a bunch of pictures floating around with some dimwit like Katie and her ilk nearly bawling onscreen to make us feel her pain.

Surgery isn't pretty, and most people wouldn't like to see it, but if you have cancer it is a necessity. Same with these terrorists. Sorry, don't want to see the bloodbath, but it is necessary for our survival. We can't negotiate with them.

"Imagine" there's no liberals...

whahs. there is violent intent..
in the bible on the intent of spreading christianity...have you read up on that?

I dont have a problem with fighting a war on terrorism. My problem is that Bush is fighting the WRONG people. Iraq/Hussien had nothing to do with 9-11-01. He rarely if ever talks about bin laden/Al qaeda..

When the U.S. leaves Iraq it will be up to the Iraqi people to preserve democracy and freedom.
What puzzles me is why you repubs/cons have so little confidence in their abilty to do so.

what happens if smaller countries get a nuclear weapon? I doubt seriously that they would ever actually use it against the U.S. because that would lead to their ultimate destruction and annihilation. It's like mouse challenging a elephant. You really need to read up on the U.S. arsenal of nukes which are land, air and sea based. Why should we be so concerned about smaller countries getting what we have so much of?

I have read parts of the Quaran and just like the Bible I dont take everything its says literally. I also know many people that practice Islam and they are nowhere like the monsters repubs/consn point them out to be. That is fringe movement that practices the violence.

sixpacktr
In many ways, you are right but it’s funny how concern for children, both born and unborn, disappears when one feel threatened.

Imagine...
Imagine all the mullahs smoking the same stuff as Loyal Democrat.

Actually I agree that LD is probably a conservative on a consciousness-raising mission. I don't think any real person, even a "loyal Democrat," could be that stupid.

A Parody?? Satire??
For those who feel the ideas I expressed are satire or a parody because " nobody could be so over the top", you obviously have ignored the voices that have said exactly what I have, and many times over. As for being an aging, pony-tailed ex-hippie, might I point out that the sentiments I've expressed are identical to those held by such traditional looking people like Nancy Pelosi (THE speaker of the house), John Murtha (one of the most powerful men in Washington), Al Gore (a very influential environmentist), Goerge Soros (a billionaire), and so on. If you like to think that anyone holding the views I've expressed must be some stereotypical hippie then you haven't been keeping up with current events.

Republicans lost control of the government, and the people elected proponents of every statement I have made in my posts. I cannot understand why everyone seems so surprised at the expression of my thoughts, except that maybe you don't typically see them on Townhall. The Democrats won, and our agenda will now be fulfilled. Denying that people like me exist or stereotyping me might make you feel satisfied, but the fact is, the people have spoken. We will not finally deliver justice to the hispanics that had their land stolen from them, we will finally admit we were wrong for causing agitation amongsts the Muslims, we will ensure the rich pay for the needs of those that have less, we will ensure all minorities are given the special consideration they deserve, and we will ensure the government does its job in ensuring every American has a decent job, good wages, full healthcare, low prices, plenty of food, free education and job training, and so forth. Perhaps it is the conservatives that are "over the top" with their thoughts, otherwise they wouldn't be out of power.

Again to Loyal Democrat
You and the Pelosi-Murtha's of the world are just plain wrong, if not dangerously stupid. I can think of anything more to say to than that because it would do no good. You are just flat out wrong and your world is a pure fiction that even James Webb couldn't write about.

LsD
When the rich give all of their money to the poor, raising the poor's standard of living above their own, will the poor then give it back to them if they become poorer?

Soros...billionair...
I still think LD is being sarcastic.

An empty gun.
"we will finally admit we were wrong for causing agitation amongsts the Muslims" (And ignoring what it is that they really want: America is to become a muslim country. Your head will be the first to go for NOT understanding them.)

"we will ensure the rich pay for the needs of those that have less" (And alienating the elitist loonacrats by taking their money; Pelosi, Murtha, Gore, Soros, Paltow, Clooney etc.)

"we will ensure all minorities are given the special consideration they deserve" (And proving once-and-for-all what racists the liberals truly are)

If I did not read these posts, I would not have believed it!

Posts made by the likes of "Loyal Democrat", "Left Angle" and others are tantamount to pulling the trigger on an empty gun. Nothing useful comes out.

Load your mind before you shoot-off your mouth.

Loyal Democrat
You've sold me on your philosophy, but why haven't you given me your money already? I'm not feeling the love.

Left Angle
Scripture references, please!

"there is violent intent..
in the bible on the intent of spreading christianity...have you read up on that?"

Since we're talking about Christianity, not Judaism, the Old Testament doesn't really apply. So, where in the New Testament is this violent intent with regards to spreading the gospel found?

Come on! Can you quote me chapter and verse or are you just mouthing off as usual?

Careful -- better read around those cherries because you know I will.

I know, I know, I know
Left Angle writes: Then you rant on about THEY WANT TO KILL ALL OF US AMERICANS...

I have a queston for you:

EXACTLY HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ACHIEVE THIS?

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Nuclear weapons, biological weapons, crashing planes into skyscrapers, bomds on mass transit. The first hasn't happened yet but Iran and Korea are hoping to change that. Anothing else you want know just ask.

MikeR
Not exactly sure where you are going with that, but it is a sad fact that kids are caught in wars. It is a funny thing, however, on how children cope with war. I have read an account recently about kids during WW2 that were around the battles during Market Garden that were "playing soldier" while the Germans and the Allies were fighting not too far away, and totally ignoring them.

I am glad for the morals shown by the majority of our fighting forces, because we make it a point to "play nice" during war and try, as best as is humanly possible, to avoid the civilians, particularly women and children. Unfortunately for us, the other side in this case will not play by those same rules. In fact they will use women and children as a shield to hide behind knowing we won't shoot (cowardly, but they know their enemy). But the news media will take that 1 or 2 cases where it was unavoidable and before you know it, Katie and Mattie and all the rest of those bubble heads are making it out to be that we snuck up on an orphanage and shot them all up because we needed to kill something.

War sucks. Any level headed person will tell you that. The men and women of the military will tell you that. But sometimes you just have to take the gloves off and finish the fight so that things will get better.

Is this what it's come to?
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Aren't the people we send to the House and Senate supposed to represent the people that elect them to their respective positions? Are they not suppose to vote they way the majority of the people in their state and district want them to vote? I understand that if we don't let them know what we would like them to support, then they will be free to vote the way they want. I seem to remember being told that when we first elected the people that we sent to our various political bodies, they were told what issues they should vote for and which to vote against. I was also led to believe that it was somewhat of an imposition to go and represent the people of you area. You had to take time from your own business or farm or whatever you had to leave, in order to represent your people. Well, apparently that is no longer the case. We now have people who make careers doing that same job. Now we have to ask them what they believe and what issues they think should be supported. Why are we willing to let someone who would sell their soul to the devil for a vote, so they will represent themselves and not the people? We have people who move to another State to get elected in that State because the people are more liberal. They were called "Carpetbaggers" at one time. The mainstream news media influences the public and tells them who they think we should vote for. They portray anyone they disagree with as a; "Fascist," "Bigot," "Racist" or any disparaging character portrayal they deem fit to destroy that person. In doing this, they control the process of selection. They eliminate any opposition they think isn't right to lead us. We need to wake up and take back the government that belongs to us, after all, WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT!! We must forget that we are; Black, White, Brown, Yellow. We must not be; Christian, Jew, Buddhist or anything other than Americans! We are fighting for our existence! Please, lets get together and win back our freedom.

Loyal Democrat, You must be a communist
as well. Stripthe rich of their wealth and give it to the lazy poor who will not work if their lives depend on it. That is communism. John Lennon was a musician. What did he know about war? Nothing! What did he know about human suffering? Little. He was so rich, he lived in a fancy house in New York. Why America? Because it was a safe place, Why was it safe? Because brave Americans Fought jerks like Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mussolini, and won that freedom from fear. Don't quote John Lennon. he knew nothing! He was just a singing drug addict that got shot.
That does not make him Ghandi. It makes him another chalk outline on the sidewalks of NYC.

john lennon
John Lennon was a philanderer, a terrible father, a drug abuser and an easily manipulated publicity hound. He cheated on his wife and baby son and essentially turned his back on them. His music after leaving the Beatles sucked and his son Julian said of his father "I had a great deal of anger towards my Dad because of his negligence and his attitude to peace and love. That peace and love never came home to me." In other words, like all hippie libs he was a hypocritical bag of hot air with no connection to reality. What a perfect role model for Loyal Dem!

I agree with you TAP00,
But I just could not overlook the comic irony.
That last line was funny. Thanks!



"Why America? Because it was a safe place, Why was it safe?"

"It makes him another chalk outline on the sidewalks of NYC."

Well said katdance13,
Well said!

They're all stuck in the 60s
Every time I see a "War is not the answer" sign, I want to put one up that says "Some things are worth fighting for."

War
"Except for ending Slavery, Fascism, Nazism and Communism
War has never solved ANYTHING!"

http://www.protestwarrior.com/index.php


I am still
laughing at the satire of Loyal Democrat.

Who wants to kill us and how someone asked.

Hmm...let's see, Iran, who is developing nuclear weapons or already has them.

Kim ding dong who is developing nuclear weapons and tested one.

All the Islamofascists who probably already have their hands on nuclear material and probably already have dirty bombs ready for us while we in this country argue, debate, and spew nonsense about what we should do or not do.

Let's fight the way this country used to fight and get it done.

PS> Plug for my blog site. I have several articles in commemoration of Pearl Harbor and our brave soldiers. Come stop by when you get the chance.

Think a little more...
First: Loyal Democrat is no more a “loyal democrat” than Ann Coulter is a pretty woman.

Second: Don’t compare war to someone entering a house and raping/murdering.

Now, on with my thoughts:
Have you ever thought that maybe the bumper sticker is trying to say something a little deeper than just "war is not the answer"?

Maybe the bumper sticker is trying to ask "Was there something we could have done to prevent their attack, besides war"?

Are some of you posters so naïve that you honestly believe we are 100% innocent bystanders in the world and that anyone who hates us or attacks us does it for absolutely no reason whatsoever?

Please read some history books and enlighten yourself about why Japan felt justified in attacking us. You’ll be amazed to find out that Japan attacked us for the very same reason we attacked Iraq. Both were pre-emptive strikes.
Yet, conservatives adore Bush for our pre-emptive attack, yet see us as innocent bystanders in the Pearl Harbor attack.

Now, before you get your panties in a wad, understand that I’m no pacifist and I think the US had the right to defend itself after Pearl Harbor and 9/11. But, if we don’t figure out what part we had in those attacks, then we can only expect more attacks.

"Loyal Demoncrat"
Better the term "Loyal Stupid Demoncrat", it fits with the initials - LSD - their early on prophet's, (Timothy Leary), mind-enlightening power sourse. It is still affecting those "liberal demoncrats' brains" today!!

What would have happened if we, the,USA would have immediately, after finding out that 17 of the Islamoscum 19, that brought down the Towers, were Saudis, waged war with Saudi Arabia, taken out the Royal? family, and taken over their oil as payment for our loss, oh, and taken total possession of that country. What if it were all accomplished while their attack on our country was still fresh on the minds of the whole world? Maybe that's where Bush missed the boat? And to think that Bush entertains that nutty bunch of Sheiks at his ranch!!!! Why??? Especially when we know that much, if not all, of the materials to make suicide bombs, money and encouragement is being furnished by Saudi Arabia! I'm surprised that our President doesn't recognize our REAL ENEMY!
Help!!

Japan
attacked us because Roosevelt put an embargo on them of oil, scrap metal and steel. Japan was invading China causing a lot of mayhem if you recall.

Whoa Narcacr
Now you are going to far! Ann Coulter is a beautiful woman in all respects! She would be the perfect catch for a real man. You must be a "gurly-man"?

Loyal Democrat
Hey, nut job, how do you propose we handle those who don't want to live the Lennon lifestyle of love and just want to kill anyone who disagrees with them? And by the way, when you "strip money from the rich" to "show love to the poor", you're not showing love. You're showing an iron fist to dictate the free world. Heard of communism? Here's better idea, why don't we just throw all our guns, knives, and money into the ocean, then everyone will love each other! Yeah that's all we need, it's love! [sigh] Hippies. How do you get thru to them?

Loyal Democrat / Enrcacr
Loyal Democrat -- "Imagine" pretty much sums it all up; the Liberal Worldview is just that, a fantasy world. It is a fantasy world because for such an ideal to work, it would take the 100 percent participation of the human race, and that is just Not Going To Happen. ANY philosophy or system of governance would work with full 100 percent participation! Even facism or communnism!

Enrcacr: ALL countries throughout history have rationalization for the things they have done... the Nazis even had perfect justification, were you to have asked them. The only thing that really matters is "whose side you on" because in human vs human relations, there IS no "right" side. So I would rather be on America's side, because that is where I live.

That bumper sticker is flat wrong, wrong, wrong: War IS the answer. I quote Heinlein: "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms"

Liberals with the "war is not the answer" mentality = victims. Only thing is, we realists do not want to go down with you!! And since we alone are not in synch with Loyal Democrat / John Lennon's silly-a$$ worldview, that alone kills the 100 percent participation needed for your little theory to work, to say nothing of the legions of people who refuse to not be greedy, or covetous, etc etc.

The Liberal philospohy just Will Not Work. Do us all a favor -- just let liberalism die. The world would be a safer, and better place, much closer to Lennon's dream, if you did.

loyal democrat
You said that there is no good reason for a war. If you and your relatives were either killed, maimed and forced out of your home because you are a christian or an infidel, is that good enough or do you still turn the other cheek?

Left Angle
What bible are you reading? Violence is neither suggested nor condoned for conversion to Christianity. It was not a method to convert people to Judaism in the Old Testament, either.

Loyal Democrat's fantasy world again
I missed a post by him with this ludicrous statement "The Democrats won, and our agenda will now be fulfilled" in it... LMMFAO!! How ignorant of politics ARE you???

You guys did not win NEAR enough of a majority to ram a liberal agenda down America's throat. President Bush may not have vetoed anything YET, but rest assured, that Big Ole Veto stamp will be coming out if anything too weird comes his way. And that does not even count the Republican minority using filibusters, and generally being obstructionist like the Dems have been recently.

What was ACTUALLY acheived was a good bit of parity that was sorely needed. This year was not bad. What will be bad, is if Hitlery or someone similar makes it to the White House. THEN, you can crow about "The Democrats won, and our agenda will now be fulfilled". Then, you might be closer to right. I for one, pray fervently that will never happen. I would be willing to secede from the Union again to NOT be under the thumb of that liberal witch and her cronies. Politics needs parity. It doesn't matter WHO you give too much power to, they will screw it up, even if they were good intentioned.

ROFLMAO
I am bent over laughing at the comments offered up by Loyal Democrat, everyone's responses to same, and then LD's own rebuttal where he compares himself to Pelosi, Murtha, et al.

I haven't laughed this much since I paid money to see "Striptease" starring Demi Moore, and then demanded my money back at the box office.

I applaud Loyal Democrat's loyalty. I admire his panache, but pity his snow-blindness. He and others like him just don't get it (or don't want to get it), which is, THE ENEMY IS REAL. The enemy isn't playing with plastic swords and empty cartridge belts. They are wearing dynamite not daisies. They have made it mordantly clear that they have every intention of destroying America and Israel.

Left Angle asked: How can they possibly do this?

Answer: One by one; a hundred by a hundred; a million by a million ... for however long it takes them they will come and they will kill us.

Wake up and smell the jet fuel. We are in the fight for our lives and you two think it's all rock 'n roll rhetoric.

Imagine
"Nothing has happened that warrants the death of any human being". Imagine 9/11.

Imagine not responding to the deaths, maimings, destroyed families.

Imagine removing the human remains from the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and Shanksville, where the murdering cowardly thugs committed their crimes.

Imagine the future if we allow the muslims to take over our country.

Imagine all American women wearing a burkha after all their rights have been stripped from them.

Imagine all the gay people being murdered simply because they're gay.

Yes, we can do a great deal of imagining, and my post is not as good as many as I have read above, but I needed to get my two cents worth in too.

CC
I liked your post.
How can so many people forget what happened on 9/11?
It boggles one's mind.
Someone said something about "living in a fantasy world". I do believe the left is as far out there in la la land as one can get.
I feel like I want to scream Wake Up!!

It's easy to be a pacifist
It's easy to be a pacifist when American troops protect you.

http://freedomistheanswer.blogspot.com/

After reading BOTH Loyal Dem. posts...
....it seems clear to me that this person is not serious. His/her statements are just too stereotypical. Who was it who said: "The older I get, the stupider John Lennon looks, and the smarter Dwight David Eisenhower"?

Anyway, OBL is not poor, he is a multi-millionaire. While many suicide bombers are recruited from Arab slums, the imams and clerics are not poor. If martyrdom is the only way to heaven, why aren't more middle and upper class Arabs strapping on a bomb?

And no intellectually honest person can truly believe the baloney about wealth re-distribution, least of all the typical, hard-working American. It takes a true hypocrite such as David Letterman, Bill Clinton, or Jesse Jackson to believe stuff like this. They reserve the right to re-distribute my wealth but send their own children to private schools.

Free Bumper Stickers to Fix the Problem
I have one on my truck that says "War is the answer". Would you like one free? Go to the quaker web site at:

http://www.fcnl.org/about/warisnotanswer.htm

and order your free "War is not the answer" bumper sticker. When it arrives, cut out the "not" and put it on your car. Take the "not" and stick it on a liberal's car to reverse the meaning of one of his stupid bumper stickers. We win three times.

CC
The Qur'an offers only THREE choices for us infidels once the Muslims take charge.

1. Convert. (The Dhimmicrats will choose this)

2. Accept Dhimmi status. (The ACLU is already there.)

3. Death.

In the Qur'an, 9:33 (I think), it states that Dhimmi's, when they pay their Jizya tax, (Dhimmi tax) will be abused and made to feel their inferiority.

I will have an article posted at 0700 EST on Dhimmis and what it means.

Check my blog for today's articles. (I was in exile, now back to wreck havoc on whiny libdolts!)

Bumper sticker
When I walk my pooch every morning, I pass a neighbor's car with 2 stickers:

1. War + Ignorance = Disaster

2. Impeach Bush

For the longest time I reckoned that the "Ignorance" referred to President Bush. It has finally struck me that this word actually refers to themselves, the lib/dem jackal pack, because they consistently and with pinpoint accuracy prove, day in and day out, just how ignorant they really are, and it is THEIR blind stupidity that may cause our downfall.

Sasha
Churchill had a saying that captured the very essence of the liberals then and now.

"An appeaser is someone who feeds crocodiles in the hope that they'll be eaten last!"

sdan
You forgot Al Sharpton. What does he live on?
I heard the man on TV one time telling the interviewer he does not even have a job.
Someone pays for him. I wonder who?

Loyal Dhimmicrat
STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE AND LEAVE THE COUNTRY!

Dude, every time you have a thought, you weaken the nation. Please stop it.

GunnyG
Have you noticed Obtuse Angle fled quickly?

GunnyG
You quote my hero! Here is an article he wrote in 1899. The subject was the Muslims. Winston Churchill saw it coming 107 years ago.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its Votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its race and refinement the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

Sir Winston Churchill; (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50) London.

Need we say more?



Still waiting for some examples
of violent intent from the Bible for the spreading of Christianity. What's the matter, Left Angle? You can't find any verses? Or you don't own a Bible so you can't look them up? Or, maybe it's just that you assumed it was in there because that's what you think?

Just a thought. Try actually reading the Bible and then come back to us with some real observations. If you want to learn about the basics of Christianity, come check out my blog. Although you won't find any verses advocating the violent advancement of Christianity, you might learn what Christians really believe, based upon the Bible.

Left Angle
BTW, the Holy Bible in its full King James version is available on the Internet. So, you can't use the excuse that you don't have a copy.

We'll be waitin' on ya.

LeftObtuseAngle
won't be back unless he can get one of his lefty buddies on with him so they have back up for their propaganda.
I sometimes think they all come out of the same dorm room.

Lt< & Jim
Jim, Coulter aint beautiful. She's lots of grand adjectives but beautiful isn't one. STick figure comes to mind. Yet I hold this woman in high esteem despite.
Lt angle. you demonstrated my point without expressing it. When we get it into our national conscience that this is a war of religions: Muslims vs whatever you want to call us... we are going to have to wrench ourselves away from that I'm OK, Ur OK, we're all good, feel good stuff and label people so we can survive. It is already starting.
I do not hold the new congresscritter from MN in any lower esteem than any other such mammal headed to D.C.; either because he's one of Dem or Muslim. You may see that some are concerned about his taking the oath on the Quran. Funny, the oath requires a larger degree of upholding an equality among people than the book he'll lay his hand on would allow him to accept. There is a lie in this act somewhere.

War is more than just getting mad.
Was the Korean War justified?
Was it well executed?

Was the Vietnam War justified?
Was it well executed?

Was the first Gulf War justified?
Was it well executed?

Is the war in Iraq justified?
Is it being well executed?

It seems to me that the U.S. doesn't have a problem going to war -- we do if often enough -- but we have a terrible time in executing a war, we seem to like to dabble at it as some sort of avocation but once we get mired into a conflict that gets stalled and difficult we want out. I think the first Pres. Bush did the best job of executing a war of all the above. He did a marvelous job of marshaling world opinion and he went to war with enough men and material to do the job. Each of these points were missed on this administration.

Points here to ponder (IMO) I think there is a real disconnect here in regards to the Muslim peoples. We are painting them with a very broad brush --- YET we are supporting Muslims in Iraq to establish a democratic government. Why would we do that if we really believe they are all out to destroy us? Why not let them just destroy each other in a civil war? Why? Because it would cause even more instability in an already unstable area of the world. But why go into Iraq in the first place? Because Sadaam was an evil dictator AND a terrorist hating the U.S. and even to his own people. This was our justification for going to war; whether valid or not; with the neo-con notion of bringing democracy to a people to whom it seems to be a culturally foreign concept; again, whether valid or not.

So, where is the U.S. today in Iraq. We, at this point in time, have made a mess if Iraq. Meaning, if we leave now the country will certainly fall into a massive civil war. This IMO is morally reprehensible. All we would have done is get mad, through a hissy fit, make an unstable area of the world worse, lose all sorts of leverage and respect in the world for future problems that certainly will occur in this area of the world, and make the Muslim world (even those moderates that, some on this forum seem to fail to acknowledge) hate us even more.

The U.S. has GOT to see this war through. We've got to be a people that learn to execute a war TO ITS END. We must stop our pattern of deciding to go to war; and then bail out when things get difficult. It we would maybe the U.S. wouldn't be so hasty to going into so many conflicts.

You just cannot get mad and wish that 1.5 BILLION people would just vanish or wish they were all dead. So, as part of our "war" must be an appeal using our political and economic clout to keep moderate Muslims moderate.

Sasha
Here is what Alexis de Tocqueville had to say about Islam.

Muhammad brought down from heaven and put into the Koran not religious doctrines only, but political maxims, criminal and civil laws, and scientific theories. The Gospels, on the other hand, deal only with the general relations between man and God and between man and man. Beyond that, they teach nothing and do not oblige people to believe anything. That alone, among a thousand reasons, is enough to show that Islam will not be able to hold its power long in ages of enlightenment and democracy, while Christianity is destined to reign in such ages, as in all others.

I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

He knew the deal way back then.

Peppermint
Typical liberal behavoir.

When the going gets tough, they hit the bricks like a fireball is up their rump!

Due Diligence on UN/France
Which MSM outlet is doing an in-depth assessment of UN performance in Lebanon wrt cease-fire commitments? I think it's important that we all know the extent of the pacification and arms interception accomplished by the ... French? ... Italians?

What
arms interception?
From what I read Hezbollah is re-arming and has been since the cease fire.

No!!!! That can't be right.
Surprise, surprise, Peppermint

Yeah
Is that not true? Gee I thought the French and the UN would keep their word. Why the French are so, so
Oh, I can't even say what I'd like to say....

Did you hear
that the Iranian UN ambassador said today, "do not listen to FOX news".
Can you believe this guy?

Bolton gone
Thank God that abusive, unsophisticated Bolton is no longer UN ambassador. Now we can get something done with our allies. He only initiated real reform, challenged hypocrisy, forged coalitions for change, ... we need to replace him!!

Peace at the end of War
War is not the answer. That is a noble way to live... and die. If someone is at war with you then you either fight or parish. I am a fighter, but I am against a minimal war.

We are at war with Iran. Of course, it is a proxy war being waged in Iraq, but a war it still is. By leaving Iran with the financial capacity to fund terrorist in Iraq America will lengthen the amount of time it has to stay in country. And quit possibly put in doubt that Iraq will ever end in victory. It is time for America to wake up. The President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, through his own words has called for the destruction of the US. This is a declaration of war. At war we should be.

The Saudis have been exporting not only money to Iraqi terrorist, but also Wahhabism to the rest of the world for quit sometime. The government of Saudi Arabia denies that money from their country is going to Iraqi terrorists and maybe they don’t know that it is, but I doubt that. Some of the ‘private’ citizens giving money are part of the house of Saud and probably part of the government. This is an act of war supporting those whom we fight. At war we should be.

Syria is training, financing, and allowing fighters to cross their border unchecked. Those fighters are fighting Americans. Is this not an act of war? Maybe at war we should be.

CafeMIL.com

Peppermint/Gunny G
I too want to scream out loud. But you know, if we stick together, stand up for what we believe in, make our voices heard, keep hounding our elected officials, inundate the MSM with demands for printing stories they deliberately avoid and/or spin, and never give up - we may get somewhere. But PC has got to go. We are dead with it.

You don't trust Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
Kind of sounds like Kerry's
"voted for it before he voted against it".

Mahmoud wants to help all Americans right after he promised to KILL ALL Americans!

You can trust him when he says he wants to kill us. He is quite sincere!

CC, MyOpine,Pulaski
We need to stick together is right.
Pulaski, I like your satire.
MyOpine, You, don't trust AchmedNut? What's up with that? Nice guy like him?
Naughty, naughty, comparing him to Kerry.

WAR IS THE ANSWER
War, of course, IS the answer. But to what questions?

Some legit questions:
1) How do we respond to enemies who attack us and are closed to resolving disputes peacefully?
2) How do we respond to genocide by states or groups who (again) are closed to peaceful methods of restoring a just order to their land?
3) Wars or acts of violence that are in progress against us.

Our President, on the other hand, had some less worthy questions:
1) How do we get our hands on Iraqi oil?
2) How can I get the mustached jerk who tried to kill my dad?
3) How can I benefit politically from 9/11????

War is AN answer, but sometimes it's a really bad answer to even worse questions.

Peppermint
All of my New England liberal friends think we are the aggressors in every war. It's as if they live in a parallel universe. There is no reasoning with them. They simply do not comprehend the concept of self-defense. Where were all the schoolyard bullies when they were growing up? That's what I always wonder to myself. I thought of Rev. Al, I just didn't mention him. Or Susan Sarandon, or George Looney, or Gwen Paltrow, or any of the other people who preach one life-style (for you and me) and then have their chauffeur drive them in their limo to the airport to fly off into the sunset in their private Leerjets.

I grew up in New Jersey, was educated in New England, but chose to move to the South as an adult. Been here now for almost 40 years. I happen to live in the same town where Jesse Jackson grew up. Everything here is named after him, like everything in Atlanta is named after MLK, Jr. Jesse lives in Chicago, though, and he makes his living by going around extorting money from Fortune 500 companies. I assume (though I don't know for sure as I don't really care) that Al Sharpton gets his money from PUSH also.

The funny thing is, most of the blacks here do not like Jesse. They stay away from his rallies in droves. They are smart enough to see through his scam -- always shouting "racism" at the cops, businesses, etc., just so he can get his face in the news one more time. But I have a liberal friend in upstate NY who loves him so much she named one of her dogs after him. Go figure.

sdan
Ugh! naming your dog after Jesse Jackson is beyond the pale. Just think of that poor dog! I would never bestow such an epithet on my precious dog.

I live in Ohio. I don't even know a liberal. I'm sure they exist, but not so much in my county. We have Support the Troops banners hung on the overpasses on one of our interstates. Support the Troops are on the bumpers on about 4 out of every 5 cars you see.

Saranwrap, Loony, and Poltergeist are loons. I wish they would all stay in some foreign country and meddle in their governments. See how quickly they get their mouths clamped.

Casimir Pulaski
Who do you suggest we replace Bolton with

J Kerry, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Melvile Chamberlain, Casper Milquetoast.

He got people to the table and got them to negotiatate.

From a friend
A friend asked that I post this here.

Wow, that article is stupid.

If he'd have looked closer at the bumper sticker, he'd have seen a URL. It links to the text of a pamphlet published by the Friends Committee on National Legislation called "If War Is Not The Answer, What Is?" It's got an answer from him. The whole point of Elder's article is that the people who ask that question have no answer, or that their answer is stupid. Well, he's wrong.

It turns out this "Mr. Bumper Sticker" that Elder it trying to bait is actually a Quaker lobby, and the oldest lobby in Washington DC. It's the political arm of a pacifist religion. They're not "liberals" trying to push their "liberal agenda." They're Christians trying to live according to the Sermon on the Mount, and trying to pursue public policy that squares with their beliefs. Yeah, they reject the "just war" theory. You know what? Jesus never mentioned "just wars." I think the term started with St. Augustine. Anyway, the "just war" theory isn't necessarily

My point is, there's an answer to Elder's "clever" question: "then what is?" But it's tricky to get an entire booklet on a bumper sticker, and Elder would rather score cheap points against "liberals" with a hastily-written piece on Townhall.

The URL for the FCNL's answer to "If war is not the answer, then what is?" is
http://www.fcnl.org/issues/int/ s...pdc_booklet.htm

Bryant69
I spent a good part of the last hour at the website you referenced (although the link you posted does not work).

I have always wondered about the Quakers, as my grandfather's farm is in Alburtis, PA, and I spent my summers there as a child. I am not unfamiliar with their creed and beliefs. Unlike friend Peppermint, I know plenty of Pacifists as well as liberals. I deeply respect the Quakers and their principled stand on warfare. And I am a Christian. But as a person with a severe genetic disorder and subsequent deformities, I was the object of great cruelty throughout my entire childhood from both peers and even adults. If I could have, there is more than one person in my life who would have been dead years ago. But I do not wish harm to come to anyone. More than anything I wish all the world could come to Christ. But, I believe the Bible, and it tells me about evil -- both as a force and as a person (Satan).

We could get into a lengthy debate about what a father should do if a rapist is standing at the foot of his daughter's bed in the middle of the night, but there are reasons why bold men fight wars beyond simple acquisition of land and power. Evil exists. After Jesus ascended into Heaven, maybe all his followers should have lived exactly as he did while here. I don't think any of us would have ever been born. Because many years ago evil would have triumphed as Christians laid their heads down and surrendered to the sword. In fact, that is what many of them did in the first century after Christ. So the world today would look vastly different. The Hitlers, the Stalins, the Pol Pots, the Maos of the world would be in charge, and the Christians would be long gone. But the Bible states without reservation that good will eventually triumph over evil. Only God knows how this will all end. And only HE can end it. Some may fight, and some may lie down before the sword, but ultimately God will prevail.

STUCK IN THE 60s
Talking with a pediatrician friend the other day, we were wondering if the twisted thinking emanating from so many libs is the fact that they loaded their bodies with so much dope during the 60s and after, that their brains were chemically changed, FOREVER.
How else can one explain their pre9/11 mentality?
Just like their dope let them escape reality, that mindset continues to this day.
And for those who continue to push dope as "harmless," go look up the name Len Bias and see what a tiny whiff of coke can do.
His brain never got the chance to be twisted.

let's clear this up
Romans12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19 ...Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the LORD. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the high powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2Whosoever resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God....3For rulers are not a terror to good works , but to the evil.
It is obviously not possible to live peaceably with terrorists. God appointed our Commander- in chief to deliver us from terrorism, so get to supporting him!!!!!!
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