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Thursday, November 16, 2006
Larry Elder :: Townhall.com Columnist
On Iraq: Okay, Democrats, Now What?
by Larry Elder
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For the Republicans' loss of Congress, credit public anger over Iraq. Not just because, as the president put it, "Iraq is not working well enough, fast enough," but the accusation -- often unchallenged by members of the mainscream media -- that "President Bush lied us into the war."

After the Democratic takeover of Congress, one pundit simply wrote off this hideous allegation as mere pre-election posturing. You know, just "politics." Thus, the Democrats slander the commander in chief during a period of wartime. And, after they win, it's just political chitchat.

Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., incoming chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, once posted on his website the alleged acts of the president that, in his view, constitute grounds for impeachment. Suddenly, before the election, Conyers removed this from his website. And incoming Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., calls the impeachment efforts now "off the table."

Surely, if the president indeed "lied us into the war," he damn well deserves impeachment. But now that the Democrats captured Congress, they suddenly stopped believing that President Bush sent men and women into harm's way as a result of a calculated, considered, deliberate deceit.

In 2000 and 2004, many Democrats yelled about "stolen elections" and voter "disenfranchisement." In a letter to Democrats in Ohio, John Kerry claimed that state election officials stole the election from him. But what of the lack of Republican cries of voter fraud, "disenfranchisement" and demands for investigations? Apparently, when Democrats win, elections function smoothly, but when Republicans win, the fix is in.

Pre-election, Democrats claimed they possessed a "unified" strategy to deal with Iraq. Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., had a "four-point plan." Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., the architect of the Democratic House takeover, touted his "five-point plan." But on election night, after the Democratic takeover became obvious, Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., offered a slightly different perspective.

Sherman: I don't think the party has united behind a plan that is any more specific than we should leave a little sooner than George Bush has in mind.

Elder: That's not much of a plan.

Sherman: The voters did not require us to have a plan. . . . Nobody knows what's going to happen in the future and whether the Democratic idea or the Republican plan on this or that issue is going to be good. . . .

Elder: But I remember watching Sunday morning chat shows and hearing Chuck Schumer say the Democrats were united behind a plan to deal with Iraq. I heard Rahm Emanuel say the Democrats were united behind a plan for Iraq. Now what I'm hearing you say is whatever our plan is, we're not going to stay quite as long as George W. Bush would stay. So which is it?

Sherman: I think Democrats have a variety of different plans that have only one thing in common, and that is leave sooner than George Bush. . . . I think that it's hard to say that Democrats are unified on Iraq behind something very specific.

The military uses a term, AOS -- All Options Stink. Withdrawing the troops precipitously with a timetable simply encourages our enemies to wait us out. Indeed, a week after the election, a front-page headline in The New York Times read: "Get Out of Iraq Now? Not So Fast, Experts Say" -- a little too late to influence the election.

The Iraqi government, itself, wants us to stay until its military and police forces grow stronger. By withdrawing, leaving behind a weak, fragile Iraqi government, we betray the brave Iraqis who went to the polls and voted for democracy, as well as those who joined the military and the police to provide security for their fledgling government. We run the risk of betraying our allies the way we did in Vietnam with a resulting bloodbath, and leaving an oil-rich launching pad for terrorists to continue attacks against "apostate governments" in the Arab world, as well as against Europe and the United States.

Despite the sound Bush economy, historians will judge the Bush administration -- as a success or a failure -- based upon Iraq. Even with the new Democrat Congress, the president remains commander in chief for two more years. President Bush should ignore the polls, the cries for a "strategic redeployment," and the demand for a "summit" between the terror states of Syria and Iran.

If Bush, as he says, refuses to leave Iraq until it can defend itself and become a reliable ally on terror, then the war should be fought more, rather than less, aggressively. This might require, as Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., proposes, sending more troops. One more thing. Notwithstanding the violence in Iraq, 61 percent of recently polled Iraqis say that whatever their hardships, getting rid of Saddam was the right thing to do.

The military says that, by providing terrorists and weapons, Syria and Iran work to destabilize Iraq. Perhaps it's time we send them a message.

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In Memoriam
The politics of Iraq are what they are. An oportunity to slam Bush and the Republicans, and gain seats and power for the Dems. So be it. Politics is just a game, after all. But the fact of Iraq is something else again. Of course it is a matter of safety and power and international prestige or disapprobation. But one might say that's just a game, too. And of course it is a matter of life and death, for us and for them. Well, that's not a game, anymore, but people die crossing the street and all that, so the arguement loses force when we consider the harsh nature of reality. But there is another issue, of integrity and idealism. And reality. With this in mind, allow me to share my own posting on the matter of our enemies, contrasted with ourselves:

I am drawn back to make an obvious and necessary point -- a contrast. Nothing subtle. Clear.

Jason Dunham. USMC Cpl. Jason Dunham. Who threw himself onto a live grenade to protect his comrades, and lost his life as a result. This is what we call a hero. This is the sort of man we honor, to the limits of our ability, with medals and ceremonies. He embodies what we consider to be best and most noble in our culture and in humanity.

The name Jason means healer. Well. He was a preserver of life.

Soldiers are meant to be killers. This is as it should be. War is brutal, and should and must be. All self-defense against blood enemies must be brutal. Survival is at stake, and not mere personal survival. Where duty is involved, for honorable men there is no choice. This is how we define ourselves: by our precepts and our actions. We do not take the words of the enemy as true -- the enemy does not define us, and the words of the enemy do not describe us. The enemy might describe himself, and does. He loves death. We, however, do not love Pepsi. We love life. And because of this, we will fight, and kill, and die.

And then there is the enemy. The schoolbus ambushers. The beheaders of civilians. The mad bombers. They love death. It is their creed. They wean their little ones on bile. That's how monsters are born -- they are made, out of little children. Of course they can win. All that needs to happen is that we do not resist. Honor can die. Humanity has died, in the enemy. Every good thing might fade, grow futile and frail, and perish. The only surety we have of survival is that which we make for ourselves. Fires need tending.

Men of honor turn with fair and splendid purpose to the work of preserving innocence and virtue and liberty. They trust that the highest call is love, and roll the red psalm of their sacrifice to skies filled with blue and white and stars. Inhaling sharp smoke and desert dust they suffer endless ills, that what is just and right and the craving of their hearts might be born and survive and thrive.

Contrast to this these eaters of children. Blood drips from their teeth and nails. Four thousand years have they worshipped Moloch by his many names and shrieked his creed from high places in the iron hills and from hollows sealed deep within the earth. They dream of discord and distress, and terror is their hymn. Yes, there is evil.

And there is good. Though we find little in this world that is truly pure, we do find virtue in a single act of sacrifice. There is no honor, in mere killing. In killing there is only, at best, necessity. Necessity is a duty, but doing only that which ought to be done is what all honorable men must do, without demanding honor for it. Young Jason Dunham would have expected no great honor for doing what he did. But we could not remain worthy of his sacrifice, if we did not love him.

What hope of redress then, for such loss? What hope of answer? What hand might draw away the unsoothing veil and unite love with lost love? Well. We love life. Let us be thankful for our blessings. Anything more than this is faith, and as for that, we must, each of us, place our trust where we think it is owed.

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/11/in-memoriam.html

Just thought I'd share.

J

Let's start lobbing...
.... bombs at Syria and Iran along the borders to see if they get the idea to stay the hell out of Iraq. I mean, what the heck, they're attacking us through their actions, so let's throw a little back at 'em.

McCain?
This is a great article, until you reference the media lap dog, McCain. As if he has any credibility. This is the man who wants to ensure Geneva Convention protections for Terrorists. In WWII, when we used to fight a war to win, combatants in civilian cloths and/or who targeted non-military (civilian) objectives, were interrogated and executed.

Phylo out in Left Field
Your comments are so Vietnam era. Hilarious.

All you have to do is read anything pre 2000 on the dhimmicrat stand on Iraq and you will see they all thought Saddam Had'em. WMD, that is.

What a maroon.

Wondering in Iraq
As someone who is in Iraq I really would like to know what the democratic plan is.
Most of us over here are trying to separate partisan spin and reality; so we can figure out what direction our lives are going to take. We had an idea of what the administration believed in, but now we have no idea what the new Democratic leadership really believes. The hypocrisy of double speak confuses everyone. Even the military are unsure of what is really going to happen. All I know is that this just makes the whole situation worse. We look like a rudderless ship of ridiculous fools.
How can the Iraqis trust us not abandon them? What about our military? Are we really going to demoralize them by tucking in our tails and run like scalded dogs?
The only thing I do know is that if you do run the consequences will be disastrous in many ways. We will really screw up the country and a lot of core beliefs for those not of the SP bent. How will you ever get the military to trust you after cut their legs right out from underneath of them by surrendering when they haven’t? If you think Iraq is a mess now; just wait until we leave and you have a three way fight for the pieces. The Turks will try to take over the north and annihilate the Kurds. Syria and Iran will be fight for control of the southern portions of the country. The democrats think that the world hates us now; they really will if we take the cowards’ way out. Right now it seems to me the Democrats want to shift focus from the WOT to domestic policy: with a lot of investigations designed to humiliate the Republican Party and our CIC. I can’t wait to see the diatribes the leftist are going to unleash about this post.

Is it just me,
or did Phylo spend a fair amount of time "Proving" that the President lied, then finish off with some accusation that, basically, the President is simply to much a mental simpleton to have known the difference?

Oh yeah, and Phylos qualifications to determine, accurately, the mental ability of someone he has never personally talked with is??????

Only 61?
It bothers me greatly that 39% of Iraqis still think that removing Saddam was the wrong thing to do.

No not just you USNJIMRET
I would add that phylo spent a fair amount of time proving that he can regurgitate the moveon.org/soros mantra. He's also managed to prove that if the facts do not support the moveon.org/kos/soros et al fantasy world view, just ignore the facts.

Bush should be impeached..
But not for Iraq, but for secretly negotiating a North American Union that will destroy any sovereignty of our country. He should be impeached for lying about trying to secure our borders. He should be impeached for failing to enforce the immigration laws that exist. He should be impeached for secretly creating this 10 football-field-wide 'super highway' (SSP) from Mexico through Texas, Kansas and up to Canada. It's coming, folks. And the Mexican government will be in our country in charge of the 'pit stops' or whatever they call them.

I'm not a conspiracy nut, but all this is happening.
go to:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2006/09/21/secret-meeting.html

Hopefully, you'll see the Canadian article entitled
Top secret: Banff security meeting attracted U.S., Mexico officials

One world order........no borders....Mexico/USA one crappy, socialistic country.....here we come.

The kimbertard fantasy world.
Further proof that if you repeat the same BS long enough it eventually becomes "truth" to those incapable of existing outside of their fantasy world. Wanting to believe something does not make it true. Someone telling you what you want to hear does not imply they are telling the truth. When you are able to realize that you do not need the use of idiotic slogans such as "truth to power."


ArticPara85
Thank you for your service. I pray for all of you who serve. There are many of us still here who support you and your mission.

The Dem's plan
My guess is they'll push for a withdrawal, but not push too hard. I'm sure they're very conscious that Republicans are going to try to pin the failure on them (as Repubs have done with Vietnam).
The game's over- it's just a matter of when we withdraw and who gets stuck with the blame.

Complaints, rhetoric, propaganda
Now where in the course of complaints, rhetoric, and propaganda can you formulate a plan other then just winning an election. There's no plan and never has been one. If you want to pass a course you have to be in the classroom. The Democrats were absent from Professor Bush's class on how to fight the war in Iraq for five years. They did nothing but sit in the fence watching the world and war in Iraq go by. While President Bush and the troops were fighting terrorism, they were fighting President Bush and our troops. They were so afraid to engage the enemy in the same way President Bush and our troops did, they sought the easy way out. Attack President Bush and our troops. When Hugo Chavez was calling President Bush a devil and Ahmadinejad was crying before the United Nations because his country's right were being violated because he couldn't develop the nuke to destroy Israel, the Democrats were right there along side of Chavez and Ahmadinejad with their own propaganda. The plans the Democrats boasted they had, was not with dealing with terrorism. The plans they had was in fighting against President Bush, our troops, and the war in Iraq. Now that the Democrats have won the elections and their plans have been accomplished, there's nothing more for them to say on a 24/7 bases like they use to. The only thing the Democrats can claim as a plan, is to withdraw sooner then President Bush wanted to. Any withdraw, from this date forth is going to be looked upon by the Democrats as a victory, because their going to announce it to the American people as part of their plan.

Pscho and kimmy
Life is too short and there are too many interesting articles and comments on this site to even bother about Pycho and Kimmy. By replying to their remarks we are just making their day (sory I just did the same). If I want their type of pathetic rantngs I can watch CNN and now I can even tune into Al-Jazeera.

elder on dems and iraq
Bush and the neocons lied the country into invading Iraq for oil and to begin to wage war on Isreal's enemies. Iran and Syria did not make moves on Iraq when CIA's Saddam was ruling Iraq. Iraq exists as lines on a map drawn by the imperial Brits. The three entities that live within that area hate each other and have no intention of living in peace with each other. There is nothing in their history that leads them toward a "democracy" as an American would understand the word. There is nothing in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that authorize the president to invade nations to bring "democracy" or to steal the natural resources of other nations.

President Pelosi?
Typical leftwing approach: Nancy Pelosi for president by fiat rather than by election.....like so many socialist concepts supported by the Dems....get them passed through the courts rather than through the people, because you KNOW that they won't fly with the American public.

At least, not yet.

ArticPara85: Please allow me to add my thanks to those expressed by Farmer's Wife. May God bless you and your family and guide you safely home.

Kimberly
Don't pick up the crack pipe before noon.I suppose the Dems will hire Dan Rather to document their delerious allegations. Also, read the Constitution, first it takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict & you don't have that many kool-aid drinkers; second if POTUS leaves office for any reason VP takes over & appoints his own 2nd in command.

Witch hunts? What Waxman, Conyers et.al. are planning will make anything that happened to Clinton look like a picnic - we're about to be given a post-graduate level course in the politics of personal destruction. The Constitution (that pesky document again) lists treason,high crimes (felonies, not drug related foolishness) and misdemeanors as grounds for impeachment. Your boy, Bubba was convicted of purgery infront of a grand jury, a felony, and therefore an impeacable offense. If you think Bush has broken the law please cite the statute. I won't hold my breath waiting for a response.

When Dems say "oversight" they mean witch hunts, when they say "bipartisanship" they mean "bend over and grab your ankles, here it comes".

Kimberly
Not one of the 28 new Democratic Congressmen ran on an impeachment platform. Not one. Zip.Zilch.Nada. Check for yourself. Pelosi and Reid would be doing the GOP a huge favor if they even conducted hearings. It would be political suicide, not only for Congressional Democrats but also for Hillary. Her chances of winning in 2008 would go down 5 points for every hearing conducted. The American people do not believe Bush lied, or that Congress misled the people when they approved the Iraq intervention in 2002.

Which gets us back to Congress in Oct 2002. Congress has oversite of all intel agencies. By law, every operation, every intel position paper, even raw intel from the NSA falls under both House and Senate oversite. In short, Congress is privy to everything the President has. By law, if the a member of the CIA,DIA,NSA conducts and op and does not inform Congress within 30 days, they will go to jail. Through out 2002, Congress (including Kerry,Boxer, Levin, Durbin) were given the same intel the President had. Not once did any Democrats complain about the quality of information; nor did they voice any complaints about the authenticity of the intel. Even to this day, not one Senator or Represenative ever pointed out any false or misleading documents that were given them.

I can tell you this, most GOP strategists secretly hope that Conyers and Boxer do conduct investigations and issue supeonas. Both internal as well as exit polling data shows that the American people have no stomach for a Democratic Witch Hunt. Come 2008, there are 9 vulnerable Democratic Senate seats. Impeachment hearings would be the best Chritmas gift the Dems could give the GOP.

ArticPara85...
I've been doing some general reading on this, as I have a lot of friends and family that will be affected by whatever happens. This is purely my analysis, so take it as that. By far I don't claim to be an expert on the subject.

Democrat opinions: As GunnyG said, there are those such as Kucinich that are asking to cut off funds to the DoD spending in Iraq. Funny point is that the budget's already been approved until FY 2007. This comes in line with some other remarks that would like to see troops packing up and coming home before the end of the year.

However, the number of troops that the Democrat party wants to reduce in Iraq is not certain. Some want everyone to just pack up and go home immediately. More responsible and reasonable discussions have involved phased withdrawls. The problem with this is the disconnection with the military. Both retired and active-duty generals have spoken about the need to work WITH the Iraqi government to ensure their safety.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/15/washington/15military.html?_r=3&ei=5094&en=bdf906ba9c650759&hp=&ex=1163566800&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1163696718-0LrlYZ1laFayrFaXpOX8Qw

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15731613/

Republican Opinion: I have heard three main options from Republicans:

1) Leave troop strength as it is, work with the Iraqi government. (This would be the ones that liberals like to criticize as "Stay the course", except that they don't realize that it's diplomacy that's trying to work. I thought they were all for diplomacy and peace first...?)

2) Creating a bipartisan plan for phased withdrawl regardless of how the Iraqis are.

3) McCain said on "Meet the Press" this weekend that he wanted to see an addition more troops to stabilize Iraq, but only for the short term.

I really believe the problem is a disconnection between true information coming from over there and the politics trying to be decided over here, regardless of the amount (or lack thereof) of information regarding the status of Iraq and its people. There are a lot of other opinions out there too, but if you pick up a copy of S&S you can see most of the media opinions, courtesy of the AP. One person I know out there said you can get it sometimes for free, or here online if you can't:

http://www.estripes.osd.mil

I also wish some of the columns written by the people serving would make it beyond Stars & Stripes and into some other papers. It's important to hear the information from those serving, because their information is a good check to the media sources that are not guaranteed to be 100% factual. Here are a couple that I found good to read, perhaps you can suggest others.

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=41466

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=41492

If you only have time to read one of the articles, read this one. ArticPara, if you've been reading S&S, you probably already know this one, referred to often as "Quiet Clay"...
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=39832&archive=true

Thank you for your time.

So far...
...everything the Democrats are saying serves to verify what Rush Limbaugh has said about them for years; that the "Democrat Party" is not really a political party at all. Not in the sense of what has historically defined a political party, which is a set of common core beliefs about what government is or should be.

Instead, as Limbaugh so perceptively notes, The Democrats are nothing more than a loose coalition whose only commonalities are thirst for power and hatred of anyone who threatens their power.

Attn: Babble Tower "sound alikes"
"If I want their type of pathetic rantngs I can watch CNN and now I can even tune into Al-Jazeera."

"Dave writes: Thursday, November, 16, 2006 9:13 AM Only 61? It bothers me greatly that 39% of Iraqis still think that removing Saddam was the wrong thing to do." {on whose authority do you base this as accurate info.?)

Get a grip; Bush Bashing is sooo "dial up"...(yawn)





Just in...
Murtha confirmed "loser" :o)

"It Is The Soldier" by Charles Michael
Poem by Charles Michael Province, U.S. Army
Copyright Charles M. Province, 1970, 2005
All rights reserved.

"It is the Soldier, not the minister who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the Soldier, not the reporter who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the Soldier, not the poet who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer who has given us freedom to protest.

It is the Soldier, not the lawyer who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the Soldier, not the politician who has given us the right to vote.

It is the Soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."




Still no plan Kimberly
All I read here is how Kimbo wants to impeach both the president and vice-president so that Nancy can become prez. Why don't you just have them shot, then we can be a real Bannana Republic. Seems you feel this is the only way to get Pelosi into the Whitehouse.

Back to the issue though, just where is this wonderful plan? I've asked the same question Mr. Elder asks and we both seem to get the same response. We keep hearing about this grand plan and now that your hand has been called nobody can produce it.

Oh one other nice thing to see you admit, you as much as said the Democrats lied in order to get into power by down playing the idea of impeachment. Always suspected this McGovern Party was a pack of two faced liars, glad to have that confirmed by you.

Who's the Dummy?
With all the rant from the libs about how GWB is such a dummy, what does it say about their own IQ, if he was able to mislead them into a war in Iraq? Especially considering they had the same intell that he did.

Can you imagine how easily they could be duped by Kim Jong Il? Oh wait, they were weren't they? Makes you wonder what that Amadinejad guy would be able to sell them. I'm sure they would give him the same deal they gave old Kim Jong.

No oversight for five years in exchange for a promise not to develop nukes. Sounds like a deal to me!

Personally, I was not willing to trust such mentally challenged people with the security of our country, but it seems my reasoned vote was cancelled by too many of these overly impaired individuals.

So I would especially like to thank all of you that taught the Republicans a lesson. Man, you really showed them, didn't you?

By the way, I wouldn't fret none over the impending Mexican invasion, we'll all be dead or praying to Allah anyway!

Kool Aid Anyone?

Don C
USMC

My apologies...
Turns out one of my posts with a long link messed up the format of this column. Sorry, I'll tinyurl those longer ones in the future.

ArticPara85
If I may be so presumptuous, allow me to clarify the Democrat "plan" for you.

THEY DON'T HAVE ONE.

Now let me separate the "partisan spin" from the "reality" for you.

EVERYTHING THEY SAY IS SPIN. THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF REALITY.

I hope everyone will read the second half of your post carefully, because you are making real sense about what will happen to real people. A US withdrawal before the new government of Iraq is able to stabilize the country and establish itself as THE authority in that country will precipitate a human catastrophe on the order of the Holocaust.

The one glimmer of hope is that now that the Dems have what they have always wanted, political power, they will stop using Iraq as a political club to bash Bush and use some common sense (not to mention humanity). Remember that when Clinton was Prez they were all in favor of "regime change" in Iraq, just didn't have the guts to do anything about it.

You are absolutely right that we will have NO credibility if we run this time. In 1991, after the Persian Gulf War, Bush 41 encouraged the Kurds to revolt. When they did they were gassed by Saddam while the US stood by (in Saudi Arabia) and did nothing. If we turn this war into a repeat of 1991 no Arab people will ever trust us agian.

Wiseone...
..not just the arab people, the international community will look at this very much. And what about those countries with a joint defense agreement? What kind of image does that give our allies? "Our people are dying - ok, you're on your own - see ya!"

Of course, I will probably get insulted by people like Kimberly who will say that's not the case. But even people outside this country can say that if we pull out without doing the job RIGHT, Americans as a whole look childish, selfish, and weak.

Self Correction
Need to correct myself. I believe one Democrat has presented a plan. We just stop funding the war.

Great plan. If we stop the funds then the troops will come home when their ammunition runs out.

So what's Plan B?

iemma on neocons and Iraq
iemma writes:

"Bush and the neocons lied the country into invading Iraq for oil..."

Not one drop of Iraqi oil has been taken from the Iraqi people. It is iemma and the liberals who are lying about that.

iemma also writes:

"Iraq exists as lines on a map drawn by the imperial Brits. The three entities that live within that area hate each other and have no intention of living in peace with each other. There is nothing in their history that leads them toward a "democracy" as an American would understand the word."

The United States exists as lines on the map, drawn by the descendants of imperialist England, France, and Spain. These three entities hated each other and had no intention of living in peace with each other. There was nothing in any of their histories to make us think they could achieve "democracy" as an American would understand the word.

iemma also writes:

There is nothing in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that authorize the president to invade nations to bring "democracy" or to steal the natural resources of other nations.

The Constitution specifically authorizes the Congress to declare war, which is what the Congress did in two separate resolutions, one for Afghanistan, another for Iraq. Both invasions were authorized and Constitutional.
On the other hand, there is nothing in the Constitution to authorize the interference of the Judiciary in the conduct of war. The Constitution specifically empowers the President with authority by declaring him to be Commander-In-Chief.

Kimberly
Change in and of itself is insufficient. It must be a change *to* something. And that is what the Dumbasscrats haven't provided.

"Change" is what is called a glittering generality.

You libs A)don't know your asses from a hole in the ground and B) expect to call conservatives Hitler, the Klan, incompetent, and evil, then expect us to lick your shoes when you win some bare bones no-mandate majority.

Tell us another one, that's some funny stuff there!

But...but... I thought
that Granny Nan HAD a plan in place and was poised and ready to enact upon it. Now they tell me there is/was no real plan...and there is talking and committees...and someone tell me how these incompetants became in charge. Oh, wait, I know....the Republicans were too agressive in trying to keep us safe by using the military and so that was just too violent for the other side and they demonized the administration till we idiots fell for the crap the dems spew. I hate to keep repeating myself here, but it is worth it.
"The people will get the government they deserve."

International community
USAbeliever,

When leftists talk about the opinion of the "international community" they are usually talking about the opinions of leftists in other countries. Oftentimes these leftists are in countries (example: France) that owe their autonomy to the very US foreign policies they denigrate. So don't worry about it.

and by the way?
anyone watch the Glenn Beck show last night? I thought is was intersting how it demonstrated that we are back in the days of 1938...not believing Hitler was the bad guy trying to wipe out the Jewish race. So too, with that little nut job, Ahmadinejad...if you are not Muslin...you must be killed...I liked that...but of course I am a Conservative Republican and believe with all my heart and soul that he will attempt to do just that...but then, again, that is just me being paranoid.
NOT!

Glenn Beck
Sandy,

I saw it, but only because Beck was on Limbaugh's show yesterday, touting it.

Limbaugh predicted that the liberal MSM would ignore it, and once again he was right.

And there is no paranoia here. This a-hole really thinks he is participating in the Muslim version of the Apocalypse.

Kimberly
But we were told about a plan. You are right, or in your case correct, ultimately it is the Presidents decision to make but the Democrats have been telling us they have a plan to present to him. Now all the sudden it is improper for me to ask where the plan is? You say it's all about change, that's fine I'd just like to know what you all plan on changing and how.

You said I need to get over it but it would be nice to know what the Democrats are trying to get over on us.

Kimberly...
The next question I have if that plan is solidified beyond the one word that you have said by a unified voice of the Democratic party, when then are Dems getting upset because of Pelosi's agreement with Murtha on re-deployment from Iraq now changed to a "bipartisan" solution, as well as the impeachment issues being dropped from the table?

You guys might want to stop focusing on the conservative radar and look at the discontent within your own party. It's going to look awful if the Dems become dividers instead of uniters. And right now, you've got to be naive if you don't think that's going to happen - Pelosi and Clinton WILL try to one-up each other in order to get an edge for a 2008 nomination. The pieces for the power struggle within your own party are in place. No one else needs to even step in - there is the potential already for your party to undo itself.

Articpara85
First let me say, God be with you and keep you safe.

Articpara85 I can only speak for myself here, but i would be willing to bet there are a lot of other visitors here at Town Hall that gave your post a second or third re-reading, and the feeling that you were sitting right here by our sides as we sit safe and secure in front of these bozo boxes.

Thank you for doing what your doing for this country, and i apologize for the idiots in Washington DC who are playing war games with your life, and the lives of the rest of the US military personal. You all must wonder what in the he11 is going on back at home in Washington.

If i had one wish, it would be for all the idiots in Washington who are playing politics with your life to be deployed to Iraq tomorrow, and be forced to do your job and for once find out what reality is all about.

Politics and politicians need to be removed from the war planning room, and allow our highly trained military personal do the job they were trained for without the concern of whether their decisions are politically correct or not.

Stay safe Artispara85

hntr admin
http://www.headsneedtoroll.org

Couple of typos.
Sorry - first paragraph should read:
--I have if -> I have: if
--when then -> why then

Thank you for your time.

HNTR Admin
Your comments to ArticPara85 are dead on. I thought of a way we can share this with troops more as well! Write to their newspaper, the Stars & Stripes! They publish letters from not just troops, but civilians as well.

Here's the link:

mailto:letters@stripes.com

When this was the only source of news I got, other than the web, I tell you the comments like what you just said would sure cheer me up! I hope you and others will consider this option.

Thank you for your time.

The Plan
I believe they do have a plan and they have announced it! "Get out before Bush would". No matter when they finally pull the plug they can always claim that we would still be there, if they hadn't "CUT & RUN", I mean negotiated peace with dishonor! Sounds eerily familiar to this old Marine.

Don C
USMC

Kimmberly
I will take Bush's "recklessness" in pursuit of our security in place of the propose nothing positive of the second guessing democrats in pursuit not of answers but reelection.

Here's the problem Kim, simply put.
I'm a simple guy, who understands the use of force to accomplish a goal.You ask what we should do now? Win.
I know, it's a simplistic answer, but we're dealing with a simplistic problem, to wit: When the decision was reached for American military action, here is what the message to the terrorists\ insurgents coming from the government, the press, and the public ( read "Americans as a whole") should have been. "We will NEVER leave, until the last of you is stomped into the ground. Ever. We win. You lose. Go home to your families."
Unfortunately, we did not. Divisive and self-serving elements in our society,
who have been raised to believe you-never-hit-back-or-you-are-just-as-bad have been doing everything they could think of or make up to kneecap President Bush and our military. Our enemy is academically ignorant, not stupid.
They could care less what some pacifistic American academic thinks about what their motivations might be, they have their own views. They state them publicly all the time, in plain english.
Maybe it's time for the left to stop reading so closely between the lines that they lose the text, and maybe we can win. If not- God help us all.

Cowboy
You,sir, are part of the problem. You will second guess us all to death. Try thinking and posting, rather than cutting and pasting.

Gotta get this one in . . .
"what of the lack of Republican cries of voter fraud, "disenfranchisement" and demands for investigations? Apparently, when Democrats win, elections function smoothly, but when Republicans win, the fix is in."

I still want it addressed. Boy is it ever true. We could not have had a more crystal clear demonstration. The dims had their legal eagles stationed EVERYWHERE. I'd like to know how much money went into legal cr@p BEFORE the election even took place. But what happened? Well -- THEY WON!!! And where was all the Republican whining (ala 2000 and 2004, as so aptly demonstrated by the dimwits)?? Looks like another GLARING difference between the two parties.

And DIM care to explain it?????????

Kimberly
The difference between Clinton and Bush? Style(Clinton) vs. substance(Bush). Clinton would feel your pain and anything else he could get his hands on. Bush cleaned up Bubba's messes. "Kenny Boy" & Bush never met. When Bush was gov. of Texas he did get a written invite to visit Enron on which in his own handwriting he declined. Do a little research on the Enron case and you will find that all of the infractions occurred in the 90's, during whose term? When the Bush administration was prosecuting the Enron case, Robert Rubin, a member of the Clinton administration tried to intercede on behalf of the crooks, but was rebuffed. Abramhoff lobbied Congress, not the WH.

Pre-9/11 warnrngs? Like the 93 WTC bombing, the Embassy attacks, somalia, and the USS Cole? Why couldn't the FBI share data with the CIA? The wall built by Goelick of the Clinton admin.

The stained dress? I really don't care about it. Clinton knowingly gave false testimony to a grand jury, that's the only reason he was impeached. The Senate, in a party line vote acquitted him & as far as I'm concerned it's over, he was convicted but not removed from office- both indesputable facts of public record.

BTW I AM the devil

Kimberly
Tall comments coming from someone who so proudly claims that the leftists have all the answers. Most of us would simply settle for some cogent plan of action in Iraq from these so-called "adults."

Still waiting.

Yup.
President Bush, contrary to what you believe, understands the use of force better than you.
It isn't a football game, or a movie, and it'll probably get a lot messier before it gets better,
but it took America much longer, with a far better educated populace, and vastly less outside agitation. You must learn patience, Ed Gruberman....Ti-Quan-Lip is not a path to a door... but a road stretching forever to the horizon... YEAH, YEAH PATIENCE- sniff-HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO TAKE? Get a grip, Kim.

Nutshell Kimberly?....very apt
So we should now approach this Iraq problem like grown ups and stop with all this "we will stay until we win BS". By which I'm guessing you mean the grown ups want us to get out before we win?

Also you don't like Bush not budging on the idea of more troops or on the idea of less troops. Which idea do you want him to budge on, less troops or more troops? You can't even make up your mind which direction you want to criticize the man from.

Which generals are saying we are losing the ground war? Which generals are saying we are not losing the ground war? How do you know he doesn't take council from both? In his position would you give more weight to the opinion of a pessimist or that of an optimist?

No the bottom line is yes the final say does rest on the presidents shoulders, whoever that president is in times as these. The problem is right now the president is GW Bush and no matter what he does or doesn't do in the eyes of people like you he will be wrong simply for who he is.

I still haven't seen your grown up plan yet. Unless it was that part where you wanted Bush to consider reducing troops by increasing their numbers.

What is President Bush's Plan?
Honest question here, can anyoone tell me what President Bush's plan to win in Iraq is?

"Stay the course" is not a plan. The war in 2006 is going worse than in 2005. It was worse in 2005 than in 2004. 2004 went worse than 2003.

Can anyone (Mr. Elder perhaps) explain what concrete steps the Comander in Chief has for winning this war now? In the next year? The next 5 years?

So, democrat plan...WHAT??
Well, if the leftist had all the plans, they would have taken care of the terrorists way back when they had the WH...you all remember Bill telling us every stinkin' time that he would find who did this (first WTC bombing, USS Cole, etc) and make them pay. Well, if that is the plan, it failed, ya'll. Someone tell me what the dem plan is today....still waiting and now I hear Nanny the Granny could not even get her boy toy Murtha elected. ONE DOWN and I am starting a giggle fest here at the homestead.."..strap yourselves in, it is going to be a bumby ride."

Say it ain't so.......
The dems and Nan ran their campaign on THE PLAN.(heh...I'm a poet and don't know it!)..at least part of it...so that said...we alreday knew what Bush was doing...so, no plan from the dems?...do you mean they misled us?....They LIED about a PLAN? Phhfft!

Linkenjulie...
The listed options have been put before the President, as will the commission's report. (Baker-Hamilton) If you read the posts above, you would see that at the least, their plan and options have been on the table for quite some time.

But hey, based on your post, I think you're going to continue to believe what you believe. Consider it agreeing to disagreeing then.

Censorship by townhall?
I posted at about 8:00 am. And, as you can see below, a couple of rather dimwitted posters repsonded to my post. But now my post is gone. It was a post explaining how Bush lied us into this war. There was nothing even remotely offensive in my post (unless you think the truth is offensive), so I can only conclude that someone at Townhall is afraid of what I said in my post.

What are you chicken bleeps afraid of?

Phylo out.

Kimberly
It all comes down to two very simple questions. They were first asked by author John Ringo.

Question # 1;

Do you believe that radical Islamists want to kill us?

Question # 2;

Do you believe it is necessary to defeat them, in order to prevent them from killing us?

The factually correct answer to both questions is, "yes". I am sure the politically correct answer to at least one, if not both, is either "no", or "yes, but....". Unfortunately, political correctness is a logical fallacy that has no bearing on reality, now, in the past, or in the future. And certainly not in time of war.

We can disagree on means and methods. But if your answer to either of these two questions is anything but an unqualified "yes", you obviously have an insufficient grasp of the situation to render an informed assessment. And therefore your opinions, whatever they may be, cannot be taken seriously.

cheers

eon

C'mon fess up!
Who was so afraid of my post that they deleted it?

All I did was offer my arguments that Bush lied us into this war.

Is that sort of talk not allowed on Townhall?

Is that the kind of site this is?

Phylo out.

I'll give you this Phylo --
It was there, and I saw it. You'll understand if I don't respond to it because I've tried several times to discuss this with you (Last response I sent you some links that you either blatantly ignored or felt they were inferior to your intellect - in either case you were unwilling to discuss it). You could always post again; while you're at it, why not read the other posts on the thread? Some of what you've discussed may be covered again.

Might be my last post for tonight, but I'll keep an eye out - I want to see if ArticPara85 has time to see the responses. Or you could always jump over to my blog. In any case, I'm sure you'll be around trying to bring this point up again.

Thank you for your time.

Um.. Phylo...do you think that
perhaps there was an honest error made by the site police. It happens...but then, again, dems are so paranoid..think the world is against them and their weeny issues.
Sorry, everyone... you get sick of their complaining sometimes...Here's an idea..go ahead an delete one of mine and then we will call it even. I hate whinners.

Phylo Se Fizer
Can you prove it?

Do you have actual, documented proof, that would stand up in a court of law, that the President lied? I would think that if he did, it wouldn't be that difficult, in view of the fact that virtually everything any POTUS does is documented seven ways from Sunday. (After all, that's what hung Richard Nixon out to dry.) Therefore, if, as you say, the President deliberately fabricated evidence to justify Operation Iraqi Freedom, there should be a paper trail. (Not to mention an electronic one.) Do you have it?
Please note that the speculations, conspiracy theories, and rantings of DailyKos, MoveOn.org, George Soros, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, various 9/11 "truthers", Keith Olbermann, and/or Dan Rather do not constitute actionable evidence in court. The rules of evidence are really quite strict. (I should know, I had to pass tests on them OUAT.) If you have any such evidence, you should be taking it to the new House Judiciary Committee, and their counterparts in the Senate, when they convene in January.
If you don't, then (in legal terms), you have no case. And also are in no place to complain when your post is deleted.
As E.E. "Doc" Smith once put, "Prove it, or retract it."

cheers

eon

Um...Phylo do you think that
perhaps there was an honest error made by the site police. It happens...but then, again, dems are so paranoid..think the world is against them and their weeny issues.
Sorry, everyone... you get sick of their complaining sometimes...Here's an idea..go ahead an delete one of mine and then we will call it even. I hate whinners.

I offer an appology to Phylo
Did not realize it was so easy to delete someones post...I just did it with mine and lo and behold...post deleted...Sorry I was such a jerk..c'mon, ya'll..this is America...we all have a free voice to say something...even if we disagree.

response to eon
eon,

There is one report––phase two of the Senate Intelligence Commitee report––which was specifically tasked with examining whether or not the White House manipulated the pre-war intelligence. It was due to come out in the summer of '04. Sen Pat Roberts has delayed the release of the report for over two years even though he has repeatedly promised to release it.

I believe that, if the report is even halfway honest it won't be able to avoid saying that the intel was manipulated.

I'm sure you believe otherwise. But if that's the case, why is it that you and your compadres on the right are not pounding the tables for the release of this report?

Phylo out.


That's big of you Sandy
I appreciate your honesty.

I didn't realize it was that easy to do either. Townhall might want to reconsider that policy. Otherwise I have a feeling that it will be a waste of time for me to ever post here again.

Phylo out

Phylo Se Fizer
I neither believe, nor disbelieve. Belief has no place in a court of law. Show me the facts, and I'll be delighted to see the President and/or anyone else who deliberately falsified evidence put on trial, and if convicted, put behind bars. That's how our system works.. But until I see proof, I reserve judgment.

As you should.

cheers

eon

A Conservative Plan For Iraq
http://www.controlcongress.com

Anyone who questions the lack of a realistic and comprehensive Iraq strategy is labeled a friend of fascism by the Republican leadership. House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) recently said, “I wonder if [Democrats] are more interested in protecting the terrorists than protecting the American people.” Republicans are paralyzed with the fear of being thought ineffective on national security and the war.

Meanwhile, the Democratic leadership cannot seem to accept that—regardless of how we got there—we are in Iraq. They have not made a convincing case that an arbitrary phased or date-certain troop withdrawal is in the best long-term interest of the United States. Rather, they seem to think that withdrawal will undo the decision to have gone to war. Rubbing President Bush’s nose in Iraq’s difficulties is also a priority.

This political food fight is stifling the desperately needed public discussion about a meaningful resolution to the fire fight. Most Americans know Iraq is going badly. And they know the best path lies somewhere between “stay the course” and “get out now”.

Some Truths

1) Iraq is having a civil war between the Sunnis and Shiites. The Kurds will certainly join, if attacked. It may not look like a civil war, because they don’t have tanks, helicopters, and infantry; but they are fighting with what they have.

2) Vast oil revenues are a significant factor behind the fighting. Yes, there are religious and cultural differences—but concerns about how the oil revenue will be split among the three groups make the problem worse.

3) Most Iraqis support partitioning Iraq into Shiite, Sunni, and Kurdish regions. (Their current arrangement resulted from a pen stroke during the British occupation, not some organic alignment.)

4) Most citizens of the Middle East who support groups that kill and terrorize civilians—such as Hezbollah, Hamas, or al Qaeda—in part because of their aggressive stance against Israel and the United States, but also because they provide much needed social services, such as building schools.

5) Both Republican and Democratic administrations have spent decades doing business with the tyrants who run the Middle East in exchange for oil and cheap labor. This has been the one of the rallying calls of Bin Laden and Hezbollah—that we support tyrants who abuse people for profits. In fact, our latest trade deals with Oman and Jordan actually promote child and slave labor; it’s so bad the State Department had to issue warnings about rampant child trafficking in those countries.

6) Iran is using the instability in Iraq to enhance its political stature in the region. Leaving Iraq without a government that can stand up to Iran would be very destabilizing to the region and the world.

From the U.S. perspective, this is all mostly about energy. As things stand, a serious oil supply disruption would devastate our economy, threaten our security, and jeopardize our ability to provide for our children.

New Directions

Success in Iraq and the Middle East in general requires us to work in three areas simultaneously: (1) fostering a more stable Middle East region, including Iraq, (2) pursuing alternative sources of oil, and (3) developing alternatives to oil. To these ends we must:

1) Insure that the oil revenues are fairly and transparently split among all three groups: Shiite, Sunni, and Kurds based on population.

2) Allow each group to have a much stronger role in self government by creating three virtually-autonomous regions. Forcing a united Iraq down their throats is not working. Our military would then be there in support a solution that people want, rather than one they are resisting.

3) Become a genuine force for positive change, thus denying extremist groups much of their leverage. Driving a fair two-state solution to the Israeli/Palestinian problem should be our first priority. We should also engage in projects that both help the average Middle Easterner and Americans, such as supporting schools that are an alternative to the ones that teach hate and recruit terrorists. We should also stop participating in trade deals that promote child and slave labor by insisting on deals that include livable wages and basic labor rights.

4) Declare a Marshal Plan to end our Middle Eastern energy dependency with a compromise between exploring for new sources, reducing consumption, and developing of alternative energies. For example, we should re-establish normal relations with Cuba so we can beat China to Cuba’s off-shore oil. We should also redirect existing tax breaks for Big Oil into loan guarantees for alternative energy companies.

Once we no longer need so much oil from the Middle East, we can begin winning over its people by using our oil purchases to reward positive and peaceful behavior from their leaders. This would ultimately reduce tensions and encourage prosperity in the region.

We will have to live with the threat of Islamic radical terrorism forever; but these solutions are a start to reducing the threat. Both parties have to put politics aside and put together an honest and reasonable plan that the American understand.


SANDY
Are you saying that visitors here at Town Hall have the ability to delete postings?

hntr admin
http://www.headsneedtoroll.org

Wondering?
"...president by fiat rather than by election..."

Wasn't that essentially Hitler's path to power?

Clyde9

hntr admin
it looked like I was able to delete one of my own...I still am not sure if it happened...appeared to be deleted and then when I hit the refresh button it reappeared...strange, so I am not sure what I did....hope I did not uset anyone's apple cart...I thought it might have been easy to do though...don't really know for sure.
Sandy

Goals
Is the goal of the Democrats to solidify power, or to get revenge? They can't do both.

Clyde9

Fantasy VS Reality
I have come to the conclusion that people like Kimmy, Left-Angle, Phylo ETC are living in a fantasy world. Now I’m a real simple kind of guy. I joined the Illinois Army National Guard one day before my 18th birthday. My father signed the paperwork, because he knew I would sign it myself the next day. After going to basic training that summer I went to college. The next summer I went to AIT (Advanced Individual Training) as an 11B Infantryman. Two years into my hitch with the Guard I decided that I wanted to go active duty. I had to change my MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) to supply in order to go to airborne school. As a result of that decision; I was lucky enough to spend the next 20 years with the Airborne and Special Operations communities. I have had the honor and privilege of serving with the best and brightest of the army community. During that time four events have convinced me that Democrats and leftist are full of BS and can’t be trusted.
1. Desert storm was my first war and for me it wasn’t a dangerous war. I was supporting a National Guard PsyOp unit from Minnesota. They were involved in the enemy prisoner of war camps we had in Saudi Arabia. When the terms of the cease fire were announced and we were told the war was over everyone got excited. Until we learned that a CIA Initiated uprising in Iraq was failing because we let Sadam use his helicopters. Iraq told us that the needed to use them for humanitarian reasons, but what the really did was use the gun ships to quell the populace. I knew then that we would be back in Iraq because we quit too soon. We let Sadam lie to us and we as a nation shrugged our shoulders and walked away.
2. I like most of America watched Somalia and its’ aftermath on TV. I was stationed in Panama then. I thought we screwed the pooch when we told everyone we were redeploying the troops back home. This just fueled the perception that all anyone had to do was kill a few U.S. Military members and they were home free. Americans would be clamoring to surrender. We should have leveled Mogadishu and hunted Mohammed Farid-Aidid down. Instead we started treating him as a legitimate ruler of Somalia.
As history has shown this was a major mistake.
3. Bosnia was another comedy of idiocy. I was there in 1997 with SOF (Special Operations Forces) doing things I’m not allowed to talk about. I will say that part of this mission was compromised by the U.S. media; so if you are really good you can go to the internet to figure it out (hint PFWIC). I will tell you that the Clinton administration sent us there, but they really did not have the stones to follow through. It was a half a**ed attempt to look like we were taking care of business; when we had no intention trying.
4. In 2002 went sent SF to assist the Philippine Government with a small terrorist problem. We had two American missionaries being held by a group called Abu Sayaf.
We were supposed to rescue them, but due to the political meltdown in the Philippines we only were allowed to train and assist their military. As a result the husband was killed and the wife was wounded when the Philippino military attempted to do the mission with unqualified troops. I was on that Island supporting our SF troops.
The point of this long post is that decisions have real world consequences. Those consequences have shaped my world view. How Kimmy and her fellow kool- aid drinkers reach their fantasy conclusions and ideology I don’t understand. Life is harsh in the real world.
To all of you supporting the troops and contractors like me may god bless you. You show the troops that there is still hope for them. They need that support; so keep it up. I don't want them to live through another tragedy fueled by liberal ignorance, hubris and guilt.

response to arcticpara85
I think you're the one living in a fantasy world––a world in which America is wearing the white hats and everyone else is wearing the black hats, and if we can just get enough brave men together to kill all of the people in black hats we'll all have a happy ending, weeeee!

The fact is, we don't even know who we're fighting over there and, sadly, when it's all said and done some of you are going to finally wake up and realize that all we've done is strengthen the hand of Iran and filled the pockets of a few well-connected contractors.

THAT is the real world.

Phylo out.

Phylo and ArticPara85
Obviously you haven't been reading ArticPara85 posts too well. Unless you yourself have served in the military with an equal amount of experience and an equal knowledge of events in the way that ArticPara85 has tried to explain to you, you have NO WAY to refute it. Sorry, you just don't have the information.

ArticPara85, you're dead on. I was also in the reigon in 2002, and other things that I knew were going on then and afterwards fall in line with what you've said. It boggles my mind how people fail to believe something simply because it didn't come from a media source. Please tell all those that you see out there that there are still people here that believe in the mission, and shout out if you need something.

Only they change their faces and flags.

For Iraqis:

My relentless killers they don't change; Only they change their faces and flags.

What a journey; I find my traversed span and milestones also travelling with me!

(Habib jalib-translation of a couplet)

DEMOCRATS LIED. WILL AMERICA DIE?
Before the ink dried on the New York Times proclamation of their...I mean the Democrats' victory in the wrestling (WWF style, one that the bad guy wins by pulling dirty tricks aplenty)for the keys to Congress, the Dems admitted their main platform in the election was wade entirely of lies. I wonder how many Americans have died in the war for our survival( the war on terrorism) due to the wrath stirred up by Democrats criticizing everything related to the war, true or not. Surely, braying..I mean saying the American troops terrorizing women and children and murdering them in cold blood convinced some Muslims into joining the jihad. Now, true to form of an immature alcoholic, all they can say they are going to do is "sooner than Bush". They still don't have a plan. All they can do is criticize someone who does have a plan. Their minds are too full of negative criticism to have enough room, or clear thinking, for rational planning of anything constructive. It may be that they come up with the idea of letting the military do its job, without interference from any civilians who know nothing about fighting a war, like, apparently, the whole civilian government. We need to win the war and then , and only then, worry who might have gotten offended. I don't think anyone will start hating us who doesn't already. It might help to seal the borders of Iraq, just like it might help to seal the borders of America in this world wide war on insanity. If we need more troops to do what we need to do to win this war, GET MORE TROOPS. If we need more money, STOP SENDING 3/4 OF A TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO OTHER COUNTRIES WHO, mostly, HATE US. Would it kill too many AMERICANS to start buying products from AMERICANS? If people hate AMERICAN PRODUCTS, like our brave troops, so much, move. The borders are wide open, ain't nothing keeping you here.
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