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Sunday, September 21, 2008
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's Dishonesty on 'The Least of These!'
by Kevin McCullough
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One of the perhaps most confusing sub-texts of the 2008 election has been the curious and in some cases surprising support that the candidates have and have not received from evangelical Christians. But if one looks at the record, and not merely the high rhetoric one thing for certain should be easily distinguishable - Barack Obama's record of votes, his view of government, and the ideas to which he aligns himself do not match the values, principles, and truths for biblical Christians.

Understanding this to be the case, and knowing that biblical Christians have a responsibility to act as wise stewards when casting their votes (render to Caesar, in our nation 'We the People' are Caesar etc.) it become imperative to speak with clarity on the issue.

For the next few weeks my column will follow the most egregious examples of where Obama's record violates values, principles, and biblical truth. The treatment of "the least of these!"

Speak to any Obama supporter and the rhetoric they will effuse concerning hope and change will inevitably lead to Obama's platitudinal use of "helping a neighbor in need" or "looking out for the least of these." The quasi-biblical concepts are used by Obama as a force-du-jour concerning the combination of helping the downtrodden, those without hope, and those that need help. In fact if you were to survey any group of Obama supporters it is doubtless that one of the number one reasons they likely support him is this idea that he will empower the powerless. Yet nothing could be further from the truth in his record, and in his plans.

Beginning with his economic plan Obama pledges to only tax people making above a certain income level at a higher rate than everyone else. His false claim is that this aids the middle and lower class because he steals from the rich and gives the poor.

In reality he steals from the rich, gives to his administration, and creates dependency in greater numbers upon government entitlements.

This gives nothing to the poor except a statehood of near slavery.

When Obama was a community organizer he grew frustrated at the inability of his leftist ideas to make any factual difference in the lives of the people he was "organizing." Thus he quit.

What Obama's economic plan would do instead is to further punish successful mom and pop business owners by taxing them even more than the presently discriminatory rates they pay, and in the process eat up the capital they could instead be using to employee more workers, expand their operations, buy more supplies, and reduce the cost of their goods and service. In doing so the price of their product increases, fewer people buy it, and they likely will be forced to reduce their work staff. Obama's economic plan is not new, it is historic, and it has always created worse economic conditions.

But his plan for the treatment of "the least of these" is dishonest on another level.

Barack Obama uses a very narrowly defined definition for who he primarily sees as "the least of these" and Jesus did not.

There is in fact little resemblance between Obama's manipulation and sub-categorization of who he includes in his definition and how Jesus himself defined them.

Obama seems to be targeting his specific message to economic issues only, and Jesus certainly did not.

In the New Testament it is easy to see how much Jesus Christ love children. When his disciples attempted to shoo them away because they would "bother" their Lord, Christ rebuked them and reminded everyone listening that it is only the faith that is simple, trusting, and pure--like that of a child--that ultimately will save them.

There is the reminder of how evil Christ himself felt about those who would harm even a hair on those He loved. And though the term "disabled" does not appear in the New Testament text, if we are to understand anything about Christ's view of children, the innocent, and those who were at a disadvantaged position in life we would have to hold that children who face challenge in mental or physical regards would be very special indeed to Him.

Obama according to his own audio recordings, and more importantly his votes on the matter views children as a burden, a weight, and a problem. Additionally he has even embraced that 1938 German concept of "a life not worthy to be lived." There is no other way to classify his position on the matter of infants born at Christ hospital in suburban Chicago (operated by Obama's own "church") who were allowing disabled children who had been born to die from neglect and starvation. And while every other Senator on the federal level found it grotesque and abhorrent - Barack Obama FOUGHT to keep the practice legal. He chaired the committee, he called for the votes, he saw the language finalized, and then he voted to keep the practice in place.

And then... he lied about doing so!

He did at least until he was forced to admit the truth from documents uncovered this year.

There will be a series of other arenas that I will examine in the weeks to come, but on Obama's own self-elevated issue of his treatment of the forgotten, downtrodden, and overlooked it is clear that his priorities have never been that of Christ's and though he may say otherwise now...

His record, his plans, and his manipulations tell a different story!

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Kevin McCullough is the nationally syndicated host of "'Xtreme' Radio and columnist based in New York. He blogs at www.muscleheadrevolution.com. His second book "The Kind Of MAN Every Man SHOULD Be" is in stores now.

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Kevin McCullough thank you.

I am in great anticipation of your columns.

You are hitting on the real reasons Barack Obama is not qualified or appropriate for POTUS.

Obama against Parents Rights

Transporting Minors Across State Lines to Obtain Abortions.

While serving in the United States Senate, Obama voted against the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403), a bill designed to prevent minors from being taken across state lines without the consent of the parents to have an abortion in circumvention of the laws of 45 states which require parental consent or notification in order for a minor to have an abortion.

-Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403); vote number 2006-216 on July 25, 2006

People need to hear this
This needs to be said as often as possible and to as many people as possible.

It's time for Obama's supporters to take their blinders off and see where the man truly stands and what the state of his heart truly is.

I look forward to your next columns.

LMAO
MELTDOWN WOW to turn to outright lies so soon is really weak. Scared huh? You psuedo christians are really scary but I think your day may finally be done. The Republican agenda rapes society and rewards the few. If you want to throw living children (real born ones) into the trash then vote R. BUT do not call your self Christians please


OK Devin
Christ's definition of helping your brother in need was to personsally bind up his wounds, put him on your own donkey and take him to the inn and personally pay for his care.

BO wants citizens to vote BO into office where BO can take from the evil rich and give to the poor. Notice BO gets to determine who is poor and who is rich and of course BO becomes the messiah by claiming this is the change we've all been looking for! Don't we all want to help our brother in need and BO claims he can do it by just getting the rich to pay their fair share. No personal helping or caring needed just a vote for the great one, the son of a poor African goatherder, who like the good shepherd will save us all!

Note to BO and his supporters! This method of helping the poor has been tried again and again and has resulted in socialist or communist bankruptcy of both the soul and the economy of every country that has tried it!

Defining Obama
While reading this article, I finally realized what was driving my attitude as to the kind of president Barack Obama would make. He holds it unto himself to define the ceiling of our achievements.

Whether it is two hundred fifty thousand or two hundred fifty million, no man has the power or the wisdom to decide or determine the level to which we may succeed. By drawing that line, Obama believes he does.

Either we are a free people with the ability to live and prosper in a democratic society or our ability to achieve is constrained by the dictates of government. The latter is the right that Obama grants unto himself. This is the arrogance and the idiocy that defines Barack Obama and the prospect of his ascendance to power scares the Hell out of me.


JAG CA
"Date: Sep 21, 2008 - 10:03 PM EST Subject: OK Devin
Christ's definition of helping your brother in need was to personsally bind up his wounds, put him on your own donkey and take him to the inn and personally pay for his care...."

All the rest are simple lies. I love the panic of you frauds - why need you lie?

God help us.
It is inconceivable that any rational American would fail to see through this arrogant, anti-American, Marxist-socialist for what he is and would vote for him. He is an evil Jimmeh Cotta, and like Cotta, who tried to destroy our great country, could very well manage to do so if the libs control all three branches of government. The USA as we know it might cease to exist. God help us.

This is all we have?
If this is all we can come up with against Obama let's stay away from the topic. In light of our own difficulties with the truth or even knowing what the hell we're talking about we should stop pointing fingers at Obama. Let's face it, if he had the same politics as us we would throw McCain out the door and he would be our nominee.Anyone who is not impressed with his resume and more importantly the dignity and class he displays is in serious denial(it's OK I was too). Unfortunately he's a Democrat so we'll have to beat him with Republican principals. One of wich is NOT lying and slandering a worthy opponent. You say I'm a minority point of view in the party? Well these are the Ideas that George Will presnted this morning on ABC. We're a growing minority and we want to restore diginity to the Republican Party.

Hal Donahue
Hal Donahue was a band leader from a few years back and was a very fine gentleman and musician. It makes me very sad to see a fool like you using his name. You are an idiot and a fraud.

Blanco
In a phrase, B. S.

Some facts to ponder
It is well documented that BHO attended a Islamic school while in Indonesia. (The 4 years he was there he spent 2 years in a Islamic school and 2 years in a Christian school.)

Now I'm not going to say he's a Muslim, and even if he was, he "converted" to Christianity at the foot of the Rev. Wright in Chicago. I'll take his word for that.

So as a child BHO spent 2 years in a Islamic school.

We are all the results of our paradigms.

V. Lenin has stated: "Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted." Think about that for a minute - it's very powerful.

If Lenin (certainly an intelligent man) was right, one could conclude that BHO certainly has been influenced to some extent my the 2 years he spent in an Islamic educational system.

I hope Mr. McCullough will also cover the Christian aspects of BHO assisting his half brother in Kenya. It's report he lives in a shanty and lives on less than $20.00 per year. Just think what a positive influence BHO could have on his own blood brother with $100.00 dollars.

In conclusion - I suspect everyone who reads this knows what a RINO is (Republican In Name Only).

I believe a new acronym for BHO might be appropriate.

CINO - Christian In Name Only.


Norena - it sounds like
You lady are the only one who has mentioned race in this discussion...

And now the racist mantra
It is clear that the Obama campaign fully intends to exploit to the max white guilt and the notion that if you don't vote for Obama, you are a racist. I offer the same retort as I did to Blanco, B.S. The era of racial intimidation has long past and the Obama campaign had better figure that out.

H. Donahue
You must be on drugs of some kind because you aren't even literate. You can't write a coherent sentence. Please get some medical or psychiatric help and quit making such a fool of yourself on TownHall

Hey Norena -
I'd likely vote for YOU before I'd vote for the most liberal member of the Senate with his sidekick who the 3rd most liberal.

It doesn't matter to me if he's black, red, yellow, white, beige, green, purple or has polka dots.

I can't say I know all I'd like to about their political "policies", but based on what I believe about their "policies" I would vote for any one of these before I'd vote for Obama.

Michael Steele
Condi Rice
Colin Powell

In case you didn't know, they're all black.

great video
here's an awesome video on Youtube about Obama's flip flops. please send to everyone you know. I'm jumping on a movement to make this video viral, I think it's a very effective video for McCain/Palin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16aBNduAyQ4

Another Mantra for the Zombies
The Obamatards buy anything huh? So now the have a new chant "hope,change,and racism". This cult mentality is frightening.

Libs, if you had a valid candidate you wouldn't have to resort to this crap, you'd be able to argue politics and issues instead of parading victimhood. Kerry was a bad choice and Obambi is worse

Obama's Qualifications?
Kevin, Thanks for your comments!

Did anyone see 60 minutes tonight? 9/21 (if not you can go to cbsnews.com)
They had interviews with McCain & Obama. When Obama was asked why HE should be President. He really stammered for an answer. He was quick to be defensive, and verbally slap the interviewer. (can't remember reporter name) His answer was he could get a group of people in a room, that disagree and bring them together. The Office of the President is not a mediation. That explains why he can't make a decision. Vote Present!

His answer on Iraq and the surge really bothered me. He will not admit he was wrong.
He is all about Politics and his agenda. I fear for our soldiers, no I mean really fear!

He promotes that McCain wants to be at war. To say McCain a POW wants to be at war is crazy.

How has this guy gotton this far? I said the same thing one time about a used car saleman trying to sell me car.
Hmmm

ZeroBama
could be purple with orange polka dots and I still wouldn't vote for him. He's despicable, sadistically cruel without a conscience. Howzzat Norena?
Wanna know why? Because this ghoul has not heart for preborn or born babies..to him babies are a " punishment" and should be denied "personhood" under the 14th Amendment else they become the catalyst to destroy the
'penumbra' Blackmun discovered in the Constitution giving Planned Parenthood the right to steal tax payers money as they steal
the lives of 50 million preborn babies. I don't vote for BABY KILLERS!

Great article and I look forward to the
additions.

Black Liberation Theology is the furthest thing from Christian there can possibly be. It obviously is a way of life in Chicago since Obama believed it to be a great positive in his campaign. In all honesty he probably still fails to understand why it's not acceptable to the American public.

As for abortion Obama said it himself with words that SHOULD have frozen the spine of everyone that heard it. ".....I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. "

What "values and morals" is he teaching his children when he says a baby is a "punishment"? What "values and morals" is he teaching Chicago when a child that lives through an abortion is left to die, or worse, when it is killed by a doctor after living through the abortion?


re: Retired Geek
Thank you for citing your sources. I think we all need to cite our sources on our points, and expose those who make posts with no basis or unreliable sources. I know that every election is put forth as "the most important". But it seems like with the internet being used to totally flood the discourse with rumors & lies, we need to all go the extra mile this time to debunk the false allegations as soon as they appear.

For those who don't know about them, here are a couple of handy links to use:

http://www.factcheck.org/

http://www.snopes.com/

They appear to be non-partisan & reliable.

Thankyou Mr. McCullough
Mr. McCullough

Thankyou for the excellent article, I am
looking forward to your next column.

Barry O is busy with the Hope that we don't
know what the Change will be.

Barry O has not been properly
scrutinized by the MSM, who are blatantly
biased.

Their agenda is to push on the American
voter someone who has spent 20 years attending
a radical black liberation theology church;
has financial backers, endorsements and
cronies in his campaign from : The Committees
for Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (CCDS)
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), and
Communist Party USA (CPUSA), just to name
a few.
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/loudon-o bama-file-25-ccds-marxist-leninists-come-out-for-obama/


It will be a pleasure to read a column that
will address the concerns of values,principles
and biblical truth.

Norena
hmmm...didn't Oby's momma have him "out of wedlock"??
It must have given you a warm fuzzy to post n??@ in the same post as "God does not like UGLY".
Same old double standard, talk out both sides of you face bovine excrement.

the truth about obama
go for it.theres plenty to work with.how about his half brother living in a shack with an income of one dollar a month,YEAR?

This article is false
About "helping neighbors in need"-
(Over 438,000 jobs lost. Six months of job loss - worst in 22 years!)
--McCain tax plan - does NOT cover 101 million Americans
-- Obama tax plan - covers 95% of workers and their families

--McCain plan - not fully implemented until 2016:
Increase dependent tax exemption $500 per year until 2016
$100 billion in corporate and high income tax cuts - including $1.2 BILLION to Exxon! (Losing this would pay for more tax benefits to middle income America)
$125 benefit to family of 4, after which taxes increase (e.g., taxes imposed on any health care benefits received from employer)
Effect: McCain's plan will add $200 billion to $300 billion to national deficit
(New York Times)
He did not support extending the economic stimulus package to elderly and disabled veterans
He WILL tax health care benefits from employers

--Obama plan:
5 million new jobs from green technologies and jobs such as retooling American auto industry
Immediate second stimulus package - tax rebates, foreclosure prevention
End capital gains tax on small businesses
Low income elderly (< $50,000/yr) pay NO income tax
$500 mortgage tax credit
$4,000 per student college tax credit if students agree to serve
$500 per person tax credit to offset payroll taxes available first year of plan
Tax cuts: THREE TIMES MORE than McCain plan for most Americans:
EARNINGS-
Under $19,000
MCCAIN PLAN- $19 less
OBAMA PLAN - $576 less
$19,000 - $38,000
McCain- $113 less
Obama- $892 less
$38,000 - $66,000
McCain- $319 less
Obama- $1042 less
$66,000 - $112,000
McCain- $1009 less
Obama- $1290 less
He is not going to "Steal from the rich". The increase tax to the upper 5% will be a return to the rates under Clinton, a time in which the economy was thriving and there was a budget surplus.

Ruth
you write "he's not going to steal it from the rich." and then immediately say "The increase on the upper 5%...". Sounds like he is stealing from the "rich" to me.

And another thing. Most people who make less than $38,000 a year and have at least one kid get more money than what they paid in income taxes back in the form of a tax rebate every year. So Obama wants to give away more of my (and everyone else who actually pay taxes) money than McCain. I do not see that as a good thing. Besides if you think Obama will keep his word you are a fool. Just check his promise versus his actual vote on the new FISA legislation.

Perhaps the rich...
...shud pay the mortgages of those poor who through either deceit or stupidity signed up to pay for something they did not have the means to pay for. Ruth, who will pay your mortgage?

Marxist Obama doesn't tell the truth

about anything.

Not about his BAIPA vote or his vote on sex education for kindergarteners.


Which is probably why donahooey

identifies with Marxist Obama so much...

They're kindred spirits... neither one even knows what "truth" is.


Ruth,
The ability to tax is the ability to destroy.

When you're out of work, do you go to a rich man or a poor man for work?

And if there is no rich man, then what?

Expect the unexpected
When it comes to the treatment of children, BO seems to be driven by an almost demonic (no, correction, absolutely demonic) obsession to murder as many children as humanly possible. That degree of hatred for the most innocent among us can only come from the ultimate author of viscious hatred and all manner of evil, the prince of darkness, Lucifer himself from the smoking, flaming pit of Hell.

Therefore, it would seem quite likely that the "evil one" has managed to use his own political party to bring before our people one of his choice servants in order to deceive us into choosing him as our leader. This man is under his control in a special way, a very special way indeed...completely. If our voters are so foolish as to do Satan's bidding by voting BO into control of our nation, we should expect the unexpected, in fact, eventually expect the most wildly unexpected, that which you and I could never think would ever happen in and to our beloved America.

Clearly then, this election is primarily a spiritual battle, and these battles can only be fought in the spiritual realm by spiritual means using spiritual weapons. This means that we must all learn to pray the "effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man" in order to win this supremely important battle to the death. Nothing less will do.

Highlander Juan to Ruth
Thank you. You nailed it...,and so succinctly too!

I want to hear you libs
defend this statement on why your guy bambi wants to re-institute the inheritance tax at 45%..."so that families cannot amass fortunes to leave to their kids"

There is NO such tax today thanks to GW Bush, but it goes to 55% in 2010 if his tax cuts aren't made permanent.

Abolishing inheritances is one pillar of the communist manifesto...come on folks defend it..

Anne
"Date: Sep 22, 2008 - 6:17 AM EST Subject: Marxist Obama doesn't tell the truth..."

LMAO a proven liar like your self calling someone else a liar????? LOL WOW You know Obama is not a Marxist. He is the American dream a poor kid who pulled himself up by his boot straps

ColinCody

"Date: Sep 22, 2008 - 7:02 AM EST Expect the ...obsession to murder as many children as humanly possible.,,, Lucifer himself from the smoking, flaming pit of Hell. "

LMAO is that why you and your ilk cause so many abortions? Is it? Your refusal to compromise has caused millions and millions of abortions. heck you make tons of money off them

"..Clearly then, this election is primarily a spiritual battle, and these battles can only be fought in the spiritual realm by spiritual means using spiritual weapons."

No it is not but YOU are why the country is falling apart. You worry about "god" but do nothing you keep a grossly incompetent conservatives in power

Defending Obama, the Liar
It never ceases to amaze me how lefties on TH spew defenses of this charlatain, then when that doesn't work, they call conservatives names like "racist", or "rube". Please, lefties, take a look at the man's record. The PROOF that he lied, and continues to lie about his votes against BAIPA, is there. Nurse Jill Stanek TESTIFIED UNDER OATH to an Illinois committee about what was happening in that hospital. PROOF of Obama's votes are all there. You just have to look them up. This isn't about race or being from the country vs. the city, or being a 'gun clinger' or not. This is about the TRUTH vs. LIES.
Mom in Wisconsin

Blanco, Norena and Ruth
Blank says "If this is all we can come up with against Obama let's stay away from the topic." Typical Dem rebuttal - I don't want to talk about it so you can't either.....

Norena says - well you all know what she says but a refresher, she said very tactfully and with finesse - "Keep it real and stop with the BS! Just come out and say it (You racist fools) don't want a ni??@ in the WHITE HOUSE!" Charming, eh? BUT, Norena, try the truly egregious statements like babies are punishment and don't give not only medical care but do not give nourishment to those upstart babies who dare to surve abortions! Any person of any color is despicable who even thinks that!!!

Then, there's Ruth who said "This article is false
About "helping neighbors in need"-
(Over 438,000 jobs lost. Six months of job loss - worst in 22 years!)" As Rush said, Obama made his money under the Bush administration. Under the Clinton administration he couldn't afford cab fare to the convention and was turned away at first. Now he's a millionare under Bush. Hmmmmm. Oh and about "the least of us?" HE DOESN'T EVEB HELP HIS OWN BROTHER IN KENYA WHO LIVES ON $12 A YEAR!

Now, this man Zero is evil through and through. He's the worst kind of socialist/Marxist because he's a sociopath too. No soul, no conscience. He should thank the Christian God that his mother didn't think about babies and abortion the way he does.....

Rightmindedmom
"Date: Sep 22, 2008 - 7:52 AM EST Subject: Defending Obama, the Liar
It never ceases to amaze me how lefties on TH spew defenses of this charlatain, then when that doesn't work, they call conservatives names like "racist", or "rube"."

LMAO your McCain and your Palin have been caught putting GROSS lies in thier ads plain and simple. But you can name call away without one fact

"Please, lefties, take a look at the man's record. The PROOF that he lied, and continues to lie about his votes against BAIPA, is there...."

Is there a law against murdering a living person? Yes there is. The law was grandstanding and NOT needed - all the rest is nonsense

Fall back position for liberals
Seems it always ends up when the Liberals start to crack and crumble, they automatically turn to the Race card. Your average White Liberal lives in a basically all White community, completely segregated from any Minorities. The only Minorities they interact with are the Gardner, Their Nanny raising their kid or maybe a Co-worker, who lives miles away in a Community dominated by their own demographic group, So lets not kid ourselves who the real racists are, Liberals...

Hal donahue
The fact remains that this guy wants to allow children who survive their own murder to die...he is despicible!

I notice none of you lefties will address the 45% inheritance quote.
I've posted it quite a few times in the last week and still no takers.

I guess you really ARE marxists at heart.




What They Really Believe
Actions speak louder than words. While the leading lights of the Dems/Libs make plans to steal your hard earned money here is a book that details what they are doing to protect theirs:

Do As I Say, Not As I Do

http://www.amazon.com/Do-As-Say-Not-Hypocrisy/dp/0767919025 /ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222042357&sr=1-1

Another Out of the Ball Park
This guy must be related to Shawn Johnson or something. He spun and flipped and twisted and turned until he convinced himself that taxing the wealthy is unbiblical.

Seawolf
"Date: Sep 22, 2008 - 8:16 AM EST Subject: Hal donahue
The fact remains ... is despicible!"

No that is NOT a fact. The fact is the law was NOT needed and was grandstanding that is the FACT

"I notice none of you lefties will address the 45% inheritance quote..."

If true at what level? Any wealthy person can certainly structure their estate to address the issue. How many people are involved etc.. Don't forget you folks killed the "death tax" for propaganda purposes only

"I guess you really ARE marxists at heart."

LMAO How dare you as your very incompetence has forced you to essentially begin nationalizing the economy??? WOW do you have no clue?????

Liberals are Elitists

Elitism is a state of mind NOT privilege and wealth. Many wealthy people are not elitists and many elitists are not wealthy.

Liberals believe their goals are Noble and Righteous. They want to elevate and defend the poor and the downtrodden masses. Liberals want to help these people, but do not wish to give up their own lifestyles and privileges.

Notice that many Liberals are wealthy and priviledged and exhibit guilt complexes because of the stark contrast between them and the poor. Rather than give up their own wealth, they become politicians or support other elitists who are politicians. Most, if not all elitists use tax shelters and off shore accounts to shield their money while laying the tax burden on others.

Everyone has known an elitist, they name drop and have pictures of themselves with some celebrity. They often live well above their means and own pretentious homes and cars. They pay to be listed in 'Who's Who' and have all sort of certificates hanging on their walls.

Liberals want the government and other peoples money to solve all the woes of the poor and downtrodden and relief from their own guilt. Liberal elitists can then make a great show of their compassion and castigate others for not paying their 'Fair Share' of taxes.

Liberals believe their call is a 'Higher Duty' and they exchange their calling with 'Real Religion' and bastardize the Golden Rule, to then say 'Do unto others, with others money, to help the least among us'.

Liberals then call those who resist their false compassion - mean spirited, bigoted and even question their Patriotism for not being willing to 'Sacrifice for the Common Good.

Hal
What do you call taking over the health insurance industry?

If you don't call it Marxism, then I submit you don't know what the word means.

Don't make me pull out the records that show the higher income levels pay more(percentage) NOW after the Bush tax cuts than before them.

Barry O is just playing the populist pipe and reeling people in hook,line, and sucker.

hal d
Killed the death tax for "propaganda purposes"?
Gimme a break.
The challenge is to defend it!
It doesn't matter at what level..you saw the quote, defend it..tell us why someone else is entitled to half of ANYTHING when another person dies.
Just like SS, pay in all your life to a Ponzi scheme, die early and forfeit everything to the state....communism pure and simple.
Don't call ME incompetant doofus, it's you and your friends that cannot see what this clown is all about...or DO you?

Rightmindedmom great post!

Liberals are trapped in hopless limbo, neither children nor adult.

Reality to a Liberal, is a world of fantasy and 'Hope', based on a reflection of their own minds and theory, instead of the reality that life is difficult and it is up to each of us to persevere.

Reason for BAIPA that Obama opposed

I have researched this problem to my satisfaction - I advise you to do the same.

According to Abortionist Doctors, an abortion is supposed to result in medical waste. When a tumor is removed e.g. there still may be living cells for some period of time.

The issue with 'Babies Born Alive' is that some survive the abortion, the longest survival I can find is nine years. Abortionist Doctors generally agree that upwards to 100 abortions a year result in babies that not only survive but live minutes, hours or days.

These babies were being treated as medical waste and left to die or starve, much like a tumor.

The babies are in excruciating pain, yet NO medical aid is given them, as none would be given to a tumor.

My contention is that when a baby is born and separated from its mother, living on its own, that baby is an American Citizen and should be granted the rights and protections of any other American Citizen.

The BAIPA (Born Alive Infant Protection Act) was introduced primarily to protect these babies and to NOT treat them as medical waste.

I am advocating that these babies receive medical aid - at least pain medicine - and a death certificate to at least show they were once an American Citizen.

Barack Obama has remained steadfast in his refusal to NOT allow any aid be given to these babies. This to me, is a matter of human rights.

Why Barack Obama is so against aid to these babies - your guess is as good as mine.

When Obama made a public statement that those accusing him of 'No Aid to Babies Born Alive' were lying - Obama later retracted that statement and said he had mis-represented the truth about his position (only after overwhelming evidence that he was lying was presented to him).

Fooled
It is so sad that the mass of people who plan to vote for Obama are so fooled. The only explanation I can see is they DO want government to support them - we have heard "change" from every politician that seeks election. Right now the only possibility for that to happen is to get rid of those presently in congress - our present Congress who has only a 9% approval rating. It would help if Californians would get rid of Nancy Pelosi - one of the worst speakers this country has seen - who saw fit to send congress on a vacation while we citizens were paying $4 a gallon for gas. Drilling offshore fifty miles out is just another scam - the gas is located further inland. The other people are traitors Harry Reid, John Kerry and Murtha. I do believe, if given the chance, Sarah Palin and John McCain might reform this country - both are mavericks - Sarah did it in Alaska...but they can't do it alone - we need fresh faces in Congress!

Obama and Use of Our Tax Dollars
I am looking forward to future articles. In your research could you explain how Obama as a Community Organizer set up funds for numerous projects like inner-city churches in Chicago that received our tax dollars in the form of federal and state grants? It seems that either he or his wife administered these grant funds. What type and how many were there? How did his friend, Rev.Jeremiah Wright and former pastor of a black liberation church, retire to a million dollar mansion?

Follow the money
Who's behind the Palin smears?
Looks like "Chicago" machine politics. Community Organizers typically "stir the pot" while appearing to be nowhere near the kitchen.

Picked this link up from Powerline:

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php


Good Series Kevin
I think this will be a good series. I look forward to reading each and every installment.
Elaine

In the details
As usual, the Devil is in the details.

Note that Kevin never once uses the now-toxic terms "Born Again." And only once uses "evangelical," keeping it lower case. Now he uses "biblical," also lower case.

An accident? Hardly. "Born Again"s and "Evangelicals" were a crucial part of the Bush victories. Now they are ..... where again???

curious
Obama is pushing tax policies similar to those embraced by Clinton in the 90's. McCullough claims that whenever such policies have been tried they have produced increases in unemployment. And yet in the '90s they did exactly the opposite.

In fact if one was looking for a period in which job growth was anemic for an extended time, the Bush years, when the Clinton tax policy was ended, would seem to fit the bill.

Curious that McCullough's argument seems to require a readership that is so informed about recent history.

Did Obama show good judgment on Biden

There is an old Spanish saying.
“Tell me who you walk with, and I will tell you WHO YOU ARE!”

"I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

Obama the 'Chosen One' chose these friends:

Marxist Professors
Structural Feminists (anti capitalists)
Activist Black Students
Mentor Wright - Black separatist and Mentor.
James Cone - Black Separatist and racist.
Saul Alinsky - Communist 'Community Organizer'.
William Ayers - Radical anarchist.
Fr.Pfleger - Radical religionist and race baiter.
Louis Farrakhan - Radical Islamist and racist.
Tony Rezco - Convicted felon and thief.
Frank Marshall - Communist and Obama Mentor.
Many other 'Radical Leftists'.

Then Obama chooses 1% Joe Biden who had 9,000 votes instead of Hillary who had 18,000,000 votes. Does that show good judgment?

Wonder who Obama would 'Carefully Choose' for the Supreme Court?

Wonder who Obama would 'Carefully Choose' for the Obama Cabinet?

Any American voter should look at some of the chosen associates in the life of a man who is a contender for the position of President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Armed Forces

Obam has POOR Judgment
Kevin McCullough wrote about Obama:
"...In reality he steals from the rich, gives to his administration, and creates dependency in greater numbers upon government entitlements.

This gives nothing to the poor except a statehood of near slavery..."

That statement is irrefutable - great point!


To Retired Geek


Hi, Partner.

Um also retired. Hey; you asked:

"Why Barack Obama is so against aid to these babies -"

This is easy to answer, unfortunately. He's against aid because he's being paid for only death. The abortion lobby dictates what he must be against, and that means LIFE.

As someone a while back narrowed it down so well, they say to the woman,

"Damn it; we sold you a dead baby, and you'll get a dead baby." Obama has to stand by their guarantee.

A dishonest Obama?
To his mindless serfs, it doesn't matter.

That he advocates for allowing unwwanted babies die is really unimportant to them.

He sat listening to a racist preacher (the klan with a tan) for 20 years means nada.

That he bonded with known criminals (Rezko and that 60's bomber) to advance his career and station in life is irrelevant.

That he wants tried and failed socialism means everything to those who worship at his feet. And a bonus for them is that he's a half-brutha.

The mind of the liberal: diseased as one can be.






NORENA

.....I'm not a racist but I don't think I would like to listen to P Diddy's renditon of the Star Bangled Banner set to Rap .....COLOSSUS

I think Obama is an atheist
I believe Obama is using the muslim faith and Rev Wright's church to hide the truth that he is an atheist.

That is what his San Fran comments meant to me anyway, "they" cling to religion. Religion is simply a tool to him to be used against the foolish masses. Obama uses their rule book against them to achieve his own ends, which is quite simply more money and more power for he and his friends.

Just remember botched abortions don't kill babies, Obama makes sure they die from neglect!

This whole column is horseapples
When supporting progressive taxation is labeled as "stealing from the rich", the ideological bias of this column is open and obvious. Crawl back to the 18th century - you'll feel more comfortable.

The Least of these
Thank You Thank You Thank You. I told my mother several weeks ago, after I heard Obama repeat the scripture in Matthew regarding the "Least of these", what about the children?? I would like Obama to give his definition of who the least of these are. I'm pro-life, but even if your pro-choice, how can you vote for this man who refused to vote for a bill that gave medical treatment to an infant who survived abortion. I hold to the scripture that it is better for a man to tie a stone around his neck and toss himself into the sea than to harm one of these little ones. I don't think that only applys to abuse and molestation, I believe it applys to infanticide. I look forward to seeing your the rest of your columns

Experience is not all that important,

brains are. When the financial giants get experience, they make use of what they learned the same way a politician does, after he gains seniority.

Look at the Congress, and tell me that the most experienced members of Congress are each and every one the best. Tell me about Rangel and Byrd for a couple of examples.

The experience that the Alaskan Sweetie has gained, is better than the experience of the Alaskan Senator Stevens. Of course I like her experience, among other things, rather than OBamBam.


Wolfgang and Karl Marx
Karl Marx's "10 Planks" to seize power and destroy freedom:

Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.

A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.

Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.

Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.

Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.

Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.

Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.

Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.

Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.

Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.


Experience is not all that important

brains are. When the financial giants get experience, they make use of what they learned the same way a politician does, after he gains seniority.

Look at the Congress, and tell me that the most experienced members of Congress are each and every one the best. Tell me about Rangel and Byrd for a couple of examples.

The experience that the Alaskan Sweetie has gained, is better than the experience of the Alaskan Senator Stevens. Of course I like her experience, among other things, rather than OBamBam.


THE REST OF THE STORY
Why are the liberals not looking at the full picture? Obama will eliminate the Bush tax reduction. The $1,200 refund check our family received this year equaled a 30% reduction in our taxes. So Obama's plan will not reduce taxes, only replace Bush's tax plan.

Now, about Obama's promises of of helping our neighbors. Why doesn't he help his half-brother George Obama in Kenya who lives on $1.00 a day. Doesn't charity begin at home? Why doesn't someone ask him about that in an interview?

Barack Obama and Michelle Obama are the bigest hypocrites I ever seen run for the highest office and the first president I voted for was John F. Kennedy, but started voting Republican when Reagan ran. The Democratic party, which was originally the "party of the people" has not been listening to "The Real Americans" who still want to maintain the values of our founding fathers.

Obama's Insulting Hypocrisy
Obama's shameless invocation od scripture and paraphrasings thereof to bolster his campaign is beyond shameless -- it is Clintonian.

"Whatever you do to the least of these brothers and sisters you do unto Me." -- Jesus Christ.

If Obama purports to subscribe to this marvelous and beautiful tenent of Christianity, why then does he allow a brother, literally his own brother, George, in Kenya, live in atrocious poverty --a hut and on a dollar per month?

Obama's hypocrisy is beyond insulting. It is infuruating. People, be clear: Obama has no intention of helping the least of our brothers and sisters. He has one intention and one intention only: To achieve as much power and wealth as possible and will do aything and say whatever it takes to get there -- the least of his brothers and sisters be damned.

Nobama
It is frightening to see how a man who has had as little experience as Obama has, and who surrounds himself with people who spew hatred for our country can actually be considered a viable candidate for this nation's presidency!!!! The fact that I'm a Christian is only one of many different reasons I could never vote for this man!
Hope and change....blah,blah,blah. What has he really done that proves he is ready to lead us at a very dangerous time globally. Political ambition is not a desirable prerequisite for the job.

Obama the liar
Obama's first big lie is his fraudulent claim to be African-American. His racial makeup is 50% white, his mother's side. His father was mostly Arab with some smaller mixture of African. That heritage does not create an African American. He's American of mixed racial descent.

Retired Geek
"Date: Sep 22, 2008 - 8:43 AM EST Subject: ...Reality to a Liberal, is a world of fantasy and 'Hope', based on a reflection of their own minds and theory, instead of the reality that life is difficult and it is up to each of us to persevere. "

LMAO Reality LOL all that makes you run is emotion remember god, guns and gays... no reality there all emotion though

You may have something about life though but it sure is a lot easier with friends at your back and side but you folks make life harder. There should be no need to work two jobs none. Somehow you conservatives think we should live to work not work to live

Re: SanHederan?
Mr. Obamarxist is the worst of the Sanhederan for he is what in Christ times was the one that hold the cloaks of those who were throwing the stones! This is a man who is a danger to all who are born again christians because he not will only work to end christianty but he will work to distroy any venues of it!!!! He will work to end all parts of the bill of rights and will do everything he can to build himself up, sounds just like Herod!!

For Art
According to the information I have, Obama is 1/16th black (6-1/2%). 7 of his father's 8 great-grandparents were arabs.

His father also comes from an arab culture in which men take pride in how many women they can impregnate, which may explain why he abandoned Barack's mother.

We still don't know why Barack's mother abandoned him to re-marry and left him to be raised by his (white) grandmother.

Leaders of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference agree with your assessment that Obama is not "black" in the sense of traditional black Americans. They say he has no "slave blood" in him and that he does not understand the tribulations of being black in America because he was raised by whites and has led a privileged life by comparison to most blacks.

His candidacy riles old school black activists for these reasons. Sharpton resents him as a johnny-come-lately "magic negro" and Jackson wants to emasculate him.

What happened to Hal?
Did he forgot to leave his house when the roach exterminator came? Leave the food uncovered?

I hope that he gets the necessary medical treatment.

Wolfgang must be a left-over National
Socialist longing for the old "progressive" days. He thinks that violating the US Constitution is "progress". If anybody doubts what these people are, look up the history of the Progressive movement.

Obama's church fails the test on many
Christian doctrines. You can read the stuff on their site (if it's still there) and check the origins of so-called Black Theology. If he sat through that for 20 years and still supported his mentor Wright, he is either not a Christian, or else he has convinced himself that supporting that man was a greater good. Either way, his fruits have been bad and his proposals will produce more of the same. He and his pastors are dupes of Satan.

Yes, we are required to judge a man by his fruits.

Hal
"Work to live, not live to work."

Work is what makes a person and defines many of his qualities. You can see a lot in a man by how he works - whether he's slothful or energetic, whether he's respectful or rude, whether he's an idiot with his money or if he's thrifty.

Whether the Democrats like it or not, work is what makes America work. No work, no money, no prosperity. That also means no money for the needy.

Democrats certainly do echo the "Work to live" slogan - they view work as a necessary evil, as something to be done as little as possible. That's why the labor unions are Democrat - less working hours, more butter. That's why Europeans are leftist - they work as little as possible.

Republicans, on the other hand, view work as an opportunity to better yourself and your kids and give them better opportunities than you had.

If faced with the two decisions, I'd rather live to work than work to live. Taking the former actually tells me that I'm being a good a citizen as I can be.

Educated Vote
If you were a terrorist, who would you vote for ?

Umberto Mafiol
Miami, Florida

WHO ARE THE BRETHREN OF JESUS??
Barack Obama and Satan have a much bigger plan for "Matthew 25 the least of these MY BRETHREN" than most realize...The trap being set here is the lie that all men are THE BROTHERS of Jesus..The only brothers of Jesus on this earth are BORN AGAIN CRISTIANS...
The purpose of Satan's and Baraks misinterpretation of Matthew 25 is pretty much to make the entire Bible into a lie and Jesus life, death and resurrection meaningless..
Brothers have the same father...only Born again Christians have the same father as Jesus...The rest of humanity sad to say are in the likeness and image of Adam.. And Genesis 3-22 identifies this image as being of Satan ...To sum it up if all men are brothers of Jesus ,original sin never happened which means Jesus life and death and resurrection are meaningless.. It also means Jesus , Mohammed, Buddha, etc are all ways to the God....This clever little lie of Satan pretty much destroys the truth of Christianity and the entire bible..Christians have been feeding the poor and even their enemies for more than 2000 years...Barack wants the Christians to feed the next generation if jihadists... Make no mistake about that..


Love ya, sister Ruth
Thanks for posting against the "We're all children of God" lie. It also goes for Matthew 5:22.

dear ruth, my daughter


Take it from God; all men and women are His children.

You may not as a Christian allocate God for the "born again" Christian alone.

It's told us by Paul that God desires that every man be saved. Why? He is the Almighty Father. We need salvation to enter the kingdom of heaven; that's the condition. How?

By receiving grace and forgiveness.

How? bBy being born again of water and the spirit; as Christ made clear. This would avail all souls of His grace. God's forgiveness for all sin. Coming to us from Jesus on the cross.

Born again? Yes. In holy BAPTISM. Read Matt 28:19


Ruth - I'll wait for you to make the
first rebuttal to the error.

truth
Yes, We need to make no mistake ,Since he has professed his religion going to church for 20 years with Rev.Wright claimed his mentor than claimed he did not know ,Reverend Wrights anti american views not honoring our American flag when sworn in,While the Muslims people are having children and will not have abortions Obama is Pro-Abortion for American women.
Until be become a Smarter voters,we may be forced to take a candidate with values we do not share!


He is not to be trusted.
We may to tread on wavering ground at time but,is time for people to stand and fight now! any way we can to go against this deceiving doctrine,and false promises

Be prepared to be
attacked as a right-wing religious fanatic trying to impose his religion on others. I am also proud to be a struggling - I haven't arrived yet - conservative Catholic. Some of our "Catholic" leaders, including one of the VP choices, finally were called on the carpet by bishops on their knowledge of the Church's teaching on abortion: It's based primarily on scientific data on the beginning of life at conception. So at conception this human life has to be protected as our most defenseless brothers and sisters. One other point - you don't have to be a believer to read the Bible and see the wisdom it contains and then live by it. Keep up the good work!

Bho=COMMUNISM plain and simple
All on TH just discovered the website NewZeal.blogspot.com on this website it traces exactly the mindset behind Obama which is Communism plain and simple----the interesting and neglected truth is Obama was reared by a Marxist atheist and has always assembled or as he says in his books sought out Radicals and Communists.
Check out the Obamafiles it's all there,Hope and change are just key words and really mean communism.
Now to Obama fantasy land on healthcare---it's noted that Obama's nationalized Healthcare will cost 3 trillion(some say as high as 4 trillion)$,he can raise about 1.5 trillion by his Taxing of over 250,000$ incomes---Where oh,where will the other1.5 trillion come from?????
Now to Obama fantasyland on energy---he's already told us he wants Al (Capone)Gore for energy Czar---Gores energy policy will cost an estimated 5 trillion dollars and by all estimates plunge us into a depression thart will make The Great Depression. No increase in drilling No nuclea.....I don't want to live in Fantasyland Onbama '08

Babies Crying in Terror

The 'Born Alive' baby who has known the closest contact with another human any human can experience - the baby has been inside another human for months.

The baby has kicked, stretched and some even suck their thumbs. Every need has been met by its human host - shelter, nourishment and safety.

Suddenly one day the baby is attacked with chemicals and poisons.

The baby enters a world bent on death and destruction towards its life.

The baby has never seen a butterfly, puppy, pretty colors or things all babies enjoy or had any human say I love you.

The baby enters the world in excruciating pain and the best trained Medical experts in the world refuse the baby any aid - in a hospital - where all facilities are available and the Doctors have sworn to protect all human life - except his.

The baby is thrown on a cold table and left to die in some hidden place.

The baby struggles to breathe because a human is born with the human will to survive. The baby cries in terror and sobs for help - that never comes - no one cares.

The innocent baby tries to live with every breath and dies alone, abandoned like a used kleenex, never having experienced anything but pain, rejection and hatred.

When the baby finally dies a death of torture and the ultimate rejection any human can receive, it is such a worthless human it doesn't even have a 'Death Certificate' issued that it ever existed.

For a few minutes, hours or days, that baby WAS an American Citizen, that should have received all of the 'Rights and Protections' under law, that any other American Citizen should have.

Michelle and Barack Obama and most Democrats, have done everything humanly possible, to make sure this baby does NOT even receive any pain medication.

Reason for BAIPA that Obama opposed

I have researched this problem to my satisfaction - I advise you to do the same.

According to Abortionist Doctors, an abortion is supposed to result in medical waste. When a tumor is removed e.g. there still may be living cells for some period of time.

The issue with 'Babies Born Alive' is that some survive the abortion, the longest survival I can find is nine years. Abortionist Doctors generally agree that upwards to 100 abortions a year result in babies that not only survive but live minutes, hours or days.

These babies were being treated as medical waste and left to die or starve, much like a tumor.

The babies are in excruciating pain, yet NO medical aid is given them, as none would be given to a tumor.

My contention is that when a baby is born and separated from its mother, living on its own, that baby is an American Citizen and should be granted the rights and protections of any other American Citizen.

The BAIPA (Born Alive Infant Protection Act) was introduced primarily to protect these babies and to NOT treat them as medical waste (my words).

I am advocating that these babies receive medical aid - at least pain medicine - and a death certificate to at least show they were once an American Citizen.

Barack Obama has remained steadfast in his refusal to NOT allow any aid be given to these babies. This to me, is a matter of human rights.

Why Barack Obama is so against aid to these babies - your guess is as good as mine.

When Obama made a public statement that those accusing him of 'No Aid to Babies Born Alive' were lying - Obama later retracted that statement and said he had mis-represented the truth about his position (only after overwhelming evidence that he was lying was presented to him).


Obama lied - Babies died
"Obama's decision to sabotage the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIPA) has repeatedly come back from the grave to haunt his campaign. Pro-life advocates, and National Right to Life, have hounded Obama over his "no" vote to BAIPA while a state senator in 2003.

Brody asked Obama to respond to questions over why he voted "no" to BAIPA, since Obama voted down the Illinois version, which was exactly identical to a federal bill passed unanimously by the US Senate. Obama became visibly irritated and accused NRTL of "lying" about his record.

"They have not been telling the truth," Mr. Obama said. "And I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying."

However, twenty-four hours later, the Obama campaign made an about-face and admitted that Obama, not NRTL, had "misrepresented" his own position, which his critics have charged defies "commonsense" and "imagination."

The Obama campaign admitted to the New York Sun that Obama misrepresented his position when he told CBN that the federal version he says he supports, "was not the bill that was presented at the state level."

http://geekonobama.blogtownhall.com/2008/09/02/obama_caught _red-handed_in_abortion_lie.thtml

Fork In The Road Of American History
It's become pretty obvious that this particular election brings us to a fork in the road and our decision in November will have a major impact on American history. Historical. If we choose McCain, America continues on her traditional path as a democracy. If we choose Obama, America will become socialist or possibly a theology more ruthless.

Everyday between now and November, please talk to your friends and family members. Obama represents a grave threat to what our founders built. We can't allow that to happen.


Rich D
You can discern the spirits. Neither Obama, nor Wright are Christian insofar as the Gospel. And those following after Obama cannot say they are Christian either.
I do think that the beginning of end has come upon this world. Rather Obama gains the election or not, most have seen the hypocracy of so many self proclaimed Christians. But those who truely believe had been forewarned of such people.
As believers in the Gospel, we know that many events shall befall not only the U.S., but the world as well before the return of Christ. It will be a day that many false Christians will grieve and dispair for they know that judgment is now upon them.
With the election of Obama, the Muslim world find no better time than to execute their hatred against the descendants of Abraham. This must come to pass for it has been declared by Christ before his return.

re: retired geek
"Obama lied - Babies died"

That is a masterpiece. I am so far beyond
fed up with the "Bush lied. . ." mantra.
You've just given a perfect rebuttle.
Those who've died in service to our country
joined of thier own free will, thier choice. An honorable choice and willing sacrifice, which libs turn into victimhood.
Then there are the unborn who are NOT given the choice to be in harms way. Who are in what should be the safest place. And who are killed most of the time because they're inconvenient.
Obama yaps about the "least of these", discounts the unborn as some completely different topic and promotes himself as being a man of deep faith.

Obama lied - Babies died!

retired geek, may I plagiarize you?
This would make an awesome bumper sticker!



Chris
Many of us have independently come up with and posted this, including myself months ago. Have at it.

"Obama lied - Babies died"

Robert claims: I dont [sic] think that anything Obama has doneon [sic] this "abortion" thing has killed one fetus that was born...

Abortion "thing", Robert?

Retired Geek says: The issue with 'Babies Born Alive' is that some survive the abortion, the longest survival I can find is nine years.

Well Geek, try 31 years and use this name!:

http://townhall.com/columnists/DougGiles/2008/09/20/if_it_w as_up_to_obama,_this_woman_would_be_dead

We do care, and utterly abhor the callousness of those who would watch a born-alive baby die unheld or put it in formaldehyde or saline solution to kill it. A man who would vote against life-support measures and call the child "punishment" isn't fit to own a dog, let alone lead others. He is sick and depraved.

Wake up, oh sleepers!

Rebuttal to Dreadnought (for Ruth) - 1
DN: Subject: dear ruth, my daughter

You needn't be so condescending - Ruth is your sister in Christ, not your naive daughter.

DN: "Take it from God; all men and women are His children."

Not according to Scripture.

"It's told us by Paul that God desires that every man be saved."

That is true - it's 1 Tim. 2:3-4. Obviously, He doesn't get all that He desires, does He? But, what does that have to do with Ruth's assertion about who are God's children?

All are certainly His creatures (Col 1:16), but not all are of His family. Only those who are saved and are adopted into the family are heirs to the promise and can be called children of God. Here is the testimony of Scripture (NASB):

John 1:12 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name

John 11:52 - ...and not for the nation only, but in order that He might also gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.

Romans 8:14-17 - For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

1 John 3:1-10 - See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him...[etc]

Rebuttal to Dreadnought (for Ruth) - 2
We were chosen to be a part of the family:

Ephesians 1:5 - He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will


All others are children of the devil, or wrath, or Adam (man), or flesh.

John 8:44 - You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Ephesians 2:3 - Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and wereby nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

Romans 9:8 - That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

Q.E.D.

retired Geek #45
If we replaced the word "Liberals" with the word "Christians" would the gross generalities that you imply have any different meaning?

Am I too Christian
To vote for Obama? Do I need to be more Christian or less Christian to to vote for Obama?

If I am not Christian enough to vote for Obama is it Okay to vote for the Christian McCain? Even though he doesn't go to church?

Is his wife a Christian? Is she Christian enough to be a Republican?

OBAMA THE UN-AMERICAN !
NO REAL CHRISTIAN COULD VOTE FOR THIS DUDE OR ANY OTHER LIBERAL-DEMOCRAT.

Thank you Diamond Z
It's nice to know that I am not a true Christian. Your posts are always so informative and well thought out.
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