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Sunday, July 13, 2008
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why Manhood is Vanishing
by Kevin McCullough
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Two political icons that cast considerable shadows led the headlines this week.

One for his desire to return to the lynchings of the slavery era - through literal castration, the other for his enormous generosity, sense of fair play, and kindness.

On Father's Day 2008, when Barack Obama claimed that any "fool" could have child he could have easily addressed those comments directly to the Rev. Jesse Jackson. When Obama also claimed it took a "man" to raise a child, he would have been hard pressed to find a more brilliant example than former press secretary Tony Snow.

One had to be summarily dismissed this week as a buffoon, the other will be genuinely missed from ideological friend and foe alike. One views himself as a permanent fixture on the political stage, the other shunned it and only stayed on it because he was asked to by the most powerful man on the planet, and even then said, "so-long" only a little more than a year later.

One loves himself more than his family - both legitimate and illegitimate. The other exuded love for his family at every opportunity.

Jackson believes in greivance, negativity, and victimhood. Snow was a shining example of optimism, decency, and charity.

And while it is easy to see these differences merely from their media personas, a series of events in 2004 permanently seared them in my mind forever.

My daily radio show had only been on in New York for roughly a year, but my city was buzzing with the activity of the GOP convention. On the Sunday afternoon kick-off I was invited to a stand-up comedy event that Snow emceed.

Held at the New School University, the crowd couldn't have been greater than maybe a hundred or so. The room it was hosted in was half-empty. It would have been easy for Snow to cash in his duties, but instead poured his highly enthusiastic energy into the late afternoon event and the few dozen in attendance were the benefactors. Tony had guested on my show only three times previous so I was honored when he recalled one of his appearances.

Later that week those of us broadcasting from the convention settled into our spots on radio row in the Madison Square Garden facilities. On the first day, I showed up to discover that Snow was my broadcast position's neighbor. Fox News Radio had only recently launched his daily show but as was the case, despite technical snafus and guest scheduling problems I noted that Tony smiled through it all. Later that week he made one last appearance on my show, and when we were done, he offered sincere congratulations on "making it to New York."

Even when I asked how it felt to be moved on from the Fox News Sunday role that he had put on the map as the Sunday morning anchor, even when he had lost his most notable position in Sunday morning politics, even when he had been relegated to mostly just a Satellite radio audience with his daily show (much smaller than most terrestrial shows), even then - he smiled, cited the fact that he believed God was in control, spoke of his health struggles, and re-emphasized once again how short life was and that it was his family that held priority in his life and heart.

Little did he know that a run as press secretary, and ultimately life-taking colon cancer awaited him before that administration's run would conclude.

We shared one other thing with each other that day, we both lost our mothers to cancer at the age of 17. Being without parents for a portion of one's life, can spark a deeper commitment to one's own parental responsibilities. Tony Snow exhibited that in his verbal, physical, and emotional commitment to his family.

On September 1, Harvest House Publishers is slated to release my second book, The Kind of Man Every Man Should Be. The basis for the book essentially is to help rebuild the kind of man that is quickly disappearing. In light of the modern feminist message that tells men not to be involved in their family's lives, to not take responsibility for their sexual deeds, and to get in touch with one's feminine side, I believe this book is needed to redefine real men.

Tony Snow easily qualified as exactly the kind of man that valued clarity, decency, integrity, and longed to provide, and protect those he cherished most. So why we are we losing the Tim Russerts and Tony Snows these days while the Rev. Jacksons flourish? For that I have no answer.

All I can assert is that our pop-culture, me-first, feminist based navel-gazing causes men to be reduced to less than what God designed them to be - and Jackson is a well founded example of that.

But every now and then someone comes along who swims against the tide, always making points based on fact, enduring great rhetorical struggle in the battle for getting across ideas, and even getting shot at from time to time for being so "counter" to popular opinion - and smiles while doing so!

Tony Snow was that kind of man.

And from both a personal and professional perspective this correspondent never saw anything hypocritical in the life or habits of the man who never refused to smile.

Oh that every man would leave that as his legacy!

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Kevin McCullough is the nationally syndicated host of "'Xtreme' Radio and columnist based in New York. He blogs at www.muscleheadrevolution.com. His second book "The Kind Of MAN Every Man SHOULD Be" is in stores now.

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Well Done!

Manhood is many things.

One I like is...

"Finding Delight in the Good fortunes of others".

May Tony Snow soar with Angels. May all on Townhall win the lottery and live happily ever after.



I told you.
Tony Snow died. Scott McClellan lived, and wrote a book.

I told you there was no God.

Godspeed, Tony Snow....
Another "good" fiber in the fabric of humanity has come to his end in this world. I hope and pray that we have been given someone with the potential of Tony's stature and the same moral compass to take his place.

einahteb
Weird handle, btw.

Obviously, Tony Snow, as a man of great faith, would disagree with your conclusion. Surely you are not seriously using this as proof of the nonexistence of God?

Missed but not forgotten...
I've been watching the tributes at Fox News concerning Tony. He was one in a million for sure. I'm reading both of Tim Russerts books now. Hard to believe we've lost both of them and both at such a young age and in their prime! My thoughts are with both families. God Bless!!!

Real manhood
This is what we need in politics. We need a no hold bar, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9-T0jtelrQ



There are really no words
To express the depth of the loss of Tony Snow to the world, media or otherwise.

He was one of very few in todays media, and Tim Russert was another, whose word could be believed and trusted.
ONE of the very few who were respected by men of honor, on both sides of the political aisle.

We lost a great one today with the death of Tony Snow.
May God grant his family the strength to deal with their loss and carry on in the traditions he set for them.

R.I.P. Tony

Feminist bashing
Sir, I'm really tired of everything being blamed on Feminists.
What exactly did a feminist do to you? Feminism has actually done much good for our country. Like in everything it's the extremists who muck it up for the rest of us. I myself held pretty close to the movement, until they got radical and were more focused on GLTB's rights. Mostly feminism has brought about choices for everyone. Women and men have choices in careers, career that at one time were gender regulated. Now both bring strengths to different careers. They have choices in their family life, whether it be a one earner or two earner house-hold, whomever is best at certain home activities does them and it is not dependent upon their gender. Many are still along the lines of gender, but some are not. Prior to the feminist movement it was a rarity for men to take care of children or clean the house. Still the majority of the housework is done by women, and tthe men seem to feel that any housework they do is helping their wife, they don't get it that they are just as responsible for the housework and childcare as the womman. What is interesting is this erroraneous attitude continues even if the wife is working full time or is the major bread winner. Because of feminism women are now getting paid a decent salary. This is very beneficial to every family. Women and children are no longer seen as property and domestic abuse is a crime. Women for the most part have come full circle. We want balanced lives and have encouraged our spouses to seek a balanced life. We seek out men who are muscular or who have great earning power or potential. Why? To be protected by our men. Men just have too much testosterone for us at times. Some just can't walk away from a stupid fight. But, when our honor, etc is threatened a real woman wants a real man to protect us and our family.

Does everyone notice
That Kimberly and her ilk are nowhere to be seen or heard from in columns like McCullough's? Kimberly thrives on knocking the good people in this life, so she can knock her country and its achievers. The thoughts expressed by Kevin ought to draw hundreds of comments of thanks and instead there are only a handful. This is sad evidence of the misplaced values of hundreds of Townhall readers.

Jackson found that....
...adolescent whining and blaming was profitable, no matter who got hurt. He's made his Faustian bargain, and lost his manhood in the process. And to think that so many blacks love his model and call him "reverend".

Tony Snow....
...is now with the angels. We were so fortunate to have him, even for such a short time.

bethanie (einahteb)
There is God. While we don't understand things now, we will one day. I lost a child. I know that my Redeemer lives.

Hope
Thank God there are still some real men left . . . instead of the constant stream of whiners, effeminate girly-boys, and tunnel-visioned "intellectuals" and pacifists who seem to be coming out of the woodwork, and, who have never gotten their hands dirty or risked anything in their spoiled, self-indulgent lives. Such contemptible creatures never seem to realize that the only reason they even HAVE a country, in which to practice their own idiotic speech and hedonistic pleasures, is because a whole lot of men and women before them sacrificed THEIR blood, sweat, tears and guts so that the morons who preach against those "nasty guns" could actually have a country to freely preach in.

What is it about
So many of the posters on this site that they can't seem to know when to start a new paragraph. They always make their posts one long run together string of so many different ideas that what they're trying to say gets lost because one has trouble seperating one thought from the next. You'd think they never took Grammar classes or learned sentence and paragraph sturcture during any of their years of schooling. Are you getting a hint what I'm talking about, Kishi, or do I need to make it clearer?

Humanity
I don't believe in gods or redeemers or angels but I understand why people do. We all have god-like qualities inside us like compassion and love, which makes it easy for us to believe in a God.

Tony was a believer.

It seems kind of ironic though. Tony lived his life and treated others as if THIS is all there is... the time we have on this earth. He believed in the goodness of humanity. I wish I could be more like he was.

RIP
Tony Snow & Tim Russert may quite possibly be the closest American media ever come to producing saints. God bless them both.

Tony Snow & Tim Russert
It seems blasphemous to compare Jesse Jackson with Tony Snow and Tim Russert. Jackson is a parasite, while Snow and Russert made significant contributions to humanity and were people that you could look up to.

Tony
may you rest in peace and soar with the angels. You will be missed!
If I have 1 ounce the class that you had, I will have considered my life a success.

This column
has a misleading title. It is an epitaph for Tony Snow. It gives few to no reasons for vanishing manhood.

Kishi
You at least responded to the title. No where was feminism mentioned, though. Manhood is not vanishing. The overt trappings of manhood are not rewarded, so they are seen less often. Men like feminine women, just as women like masculine men. Feminists often deny femininity, and so are often disliked. As for housework sharing, much housework is based on feminine concerns and values, many of which men care little about. In general, men have more interest in making things work, or the more physical tasks like mowing the lawn. Men rearely insist the woman in their life share these concerns.

All dead-nuts accurate, except...
"Jackson believes in greivance, negativity, and victimhood."

Not quite. Jackson believes in encouraging and exploiting those things. They're tools with which he pursues more important goals: power, prestige, and wealth for himself. Which is why the most telling stroke against him and others like him is to get his "constituents" up onto the ladder of capitalism: once they've begun to ascend, they'll find that they have no further interest in him or his grievance-mongering.

Pistol & Kishi
While I disagree with Kishi, in this instance Kishi is correct. Manhood is mentioned a couple of times in the body of the article.

Kishi, here is where feminists and Conservatives part ways concerning the feminist movement. The feminist movement did indeed move for female independence. In the 60s, women would burn their bras as they believed they represented symbols of their oppression and forced domination by men. While it is true that there have been many evil men throughout history (one merely needs to take a look at almost any Roman emperor for evidence), there has not been a concerted worldwide effort as many feminists believe out to somehow get women. Feminism often times advances this man-loathing.

Furthermore, by stressing careers and independence rather than one's progeny and love for family, while this may help single women, feminism has introduced a modern-day emotional distance between husband and wife. A marriage is best when it is interdependent.

Kishi2
For example, one spouse cooks, the other puts bread on the table. One does laundry, the other does yardwork. With feminism, both man and wife basically split all duties equally rather than relegating some to the husband and some to the wife, which, by creating an interdependency and through need for one another, simultaneously create a deeper appreciation for each other.

Since neither party truly needs the other in the feminist model, the emotional development becomes more hollow and shallow, leaving some marriages with little more in the way of depth and caring than some sexual lust.

Feminism becomes particularly perverse when mothers value their career first and foremost due to ideology rather than need, often leaving them to neglect their children. This is because feminism is ultimately a self-centered ideology: the woman's own independence, interests, and wants. The feminist view that a career is somehow an accomplishment to be proud of in and of itself reveals a misprioritization and perversion of values. Men do not hold jobs because they are out to prove something about themselves. They do so because it provides them the income they need to survive. They don't value their careers outside of it being a means of continued survival.

Such selfishness when forming families, however, is a death knell for the family, and leads to its disintegration. That is the downside of feminism.

Kishi2
For example, one spouse cooks, the other puts bread on the table. One does laundry, the other does yardwork. With feminism, both man and wife basically split all duties equally rather than relegating some to the husband and some to the wife, which, by creating an interdependency and through need for one another, simultaneously create a deeper appreciation for each other.

Since neither party truly needs the other in the feminist model, the emotional development becomes more hollow and shallow, leaving some marriages with little more in the way of depth and caring than some sexual lust.

Feminism becomes particularly perverse when mothers value their career first and foremost due to ideology rather than need, often leaving them to neglect their children. This is because feminism is ultimately a self-centered ideology: the woman's own independence, interests, and wants. The feminist view that a career is somehow an accomplishment to be proud of in and of itself reveals a misprioritization and perversion of values. Men do not hold jobs because they are out to prove something about themselves. They do so because it provides them the income they need to survive. They don't value their careers outside of it being a means of continued survival.

Such selfishness when forming families, however, is a death knell for the family, and leads to its disintegration. That is the downside of feminism.

Grace Under Pressure
For me Tony Snow epitomized one of the great qualities of manhood--grace under pressure. He knew he was going to die but scrambled to make enough money to keep his family in good shape after his death.

In the era of the feminized metrosexual, I can think of two other men who epitomize these same qualities:

Col. Oliver North and

George W. Bush.

Kishi3
Feminism can also be tied to some other poor things:

1.) Genital Obsession - if you've heard of or seen the play, the Vagina Monologues, you may know what I'm talking about. In so far as feminism stresses that women have equal rights and are of equal moral worth, it's a fine philosophy. However, in so far as it becomes an opportunity to obsess over one's genitals and chant C*NT in order to "own the word," it reveals an underlying mental derrangement. Such habits are at best puerile. Women, much as men, should be well-versed in the great literary works and the great ideas. Women, like men, should be able to thoroughly construct and deconstruct sentences, have a refined vocabulary, be aware of daily political matters for civic discourse, and sufficiently discriminating that they can capture and articulate subtleties and nuances. However, this borderline-psychotic superficiality is for simpletons and ignoramuses.

Kishi4
2.) False Strength - Feminism is often obsessed about "empowerment." Actions such as chanting C*NT (mentioned above) or wearing skimpy clothing, or more recently, acting as horny as your stereotypical fratboy, are supposedly indicative of one's power. They reveal no such inner-strength, but rather an exhibitionist, gluttonous nature. While men are to be condemned for such behavior as well, they lack an ostensibly respected philosophy that is supposed to lend legitimacy to such hedonistic pursuits. Vice is not virtue, and poor character is not to one's credit. Feminism confuses the ability to be a pig with strength.

3.) Injustice - title IX, specifically, has been used by activist judges to basically take away opportunities from boys in schools for programs that would serve more overall students and student interest simply so fewer girls at the same school in a different program may be served instead. Additionally, the institution of quota systems at places of business also require that so many positions be filled by women, undercutting men with better qualifications. The destruction of the meritocracy is another point that is part of feminism's detriment.

Kishi
Kishi claims: "Feminism has actually done much good for our country."

Yeah, I guess the marginization of the father is a good thing for the country, eh Kishi? "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."

Feminists don't like the so-called "patriarchal family?" Well you got your wish. There are far more single-parent households in America than two-parent households - most of them single mothers - a good portion of whom are living in poverty and training their children to do the same. WAY TO GO FEMINISTS!! NICE JOB!!!

Feminists have taught us that men are useless - "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle." So, to a great extent, men have taken you at your word. You want to do away with the nuclear family? Fine. You got it. But don't whine to me that men are irresponsible. You've gotten exactly what you've asked for. Revel in your victory. Enjoy your new-found freedom from the opression of the patriarchy.

Of course!
Of course manhood is in decline. Look what has run our country for the past eight years: an overgrown frat boy, possibly sober, who has accomplished nothing in his life that wasn't handed to him by his family and their connections. He has accepted responsibility for none of his endless failures, yet KMC and his ilk will defend him to the end.

Tony Snow seemed, by all accounts, to be a fine person. My sympathies to his family.

My Pet Goat
Nice BDS rant...

I know you can't help yourself - it is part and parcel of the Syndrome.

Primus54

I wonder if BDS is curable.

Do you think Goat's BDS will fade over time, or do you think that everything bad that happens to him for the rest of his life will be Bush's fault?

K.M.'s going through a phase?
It's rather poor taste to mourn someone you just lost, then invite bashing of someone who lives who you choose to treat as an object of scorn.

It's like a child who, after losing one parent, goes through an angry phase of grieving, misdirecting anger at the surviving parent with "why couldn't God have take you instead of Mommy?"

"So why we are we losing the Tim Russerts and Tony Snows these days while the Rev. Jacksons flourish?"

Yuck.

Marine's dad and stoic patriot
Marine's dad: long paragraph posts: we're just too lazy to hit the 'enter' key.

Stoic Patriot: it's ignorami, not ignoramuses.

I'm not up on my computer slang: what, dare I ask, is BDS?

Folks
If you have to worry about your "manhood" you don't have any. Hmmmm Conservatives in the political arena talk alot but do little or do the opposite. Maybe this is the case with their "manhood" too?

Mr. McCullough, speak for thyself
My manhood is doing just fine, thank you very much.

Royinoslo

Thank you for your sophomoric pseudo-psychoanalysis of Kevin's article.

Kevin you sink lower every day
"One loves himself more than his family - both legitimate and illegitimate. The other exuded love for his family at every opportunity. "

Tony Snow was a brave guy and certainly a help to cancer survivors too bad he has a nasty guy like Kevin using him for political purposes - SHAME

My Pet Goat says:
My Pet Goat says:

Tony Snow seemed, by all accounts, to be a fine
person. My sympathies to his family.
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For you to be posting on this site, and not know
that Tony was a man of character and high moral
beleifs, is rather telling of yours.

Joseph

BDS is "Bush Derangement Syndrome." It is a psychological affliction the result of which the victim blames Bush for EVERYTHING wrong in their lives and in the world.

As far as I know, there is no cure or treatment.

Bob_C
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 7:19 AM EST Primus54

I wonder if BDS is curable. "

If such a thing exists then definately. As soon as Bush the torturer leaves office then charges can proceed against him for crimes against humanity. Seeing Bush the torturer standing in the Hague = justice

Oh Goodie!!

Happy Hal The Liberal's Pal is here to share his usual ongoing case of the vapors.

BDS
Joseph asks:

I'm not up on my computer slang: what, dare I ask, is BDS?
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Bush
Derangement
Syndrome

If you have lost your Manhood
better ask your wife where to find it.

A man who allows a woman to tell him how to live his life is a man who never had any manhood to begin with. He is a man who obsesses every bit as badly as Ally McBeal, that GottaGettaWoman is the only thing that matters in life.

As for all the whining that Feminists have stolen and usurped your Manhood, could it be possible that some of us realized that we would be sitting in the car til the tires went flat if we waited for you to open the door and help us gracefully out of the Lamborghini? Do you think we did not notice that you were in the restaurant chowing down before you realized we were waiting for you to hold the door for us?

Did you notice, with your bum glued firmly to the seat in the subway, that the sign does NOT say PRIORITY SEATING FOR YOUNG, HEALTHY MEN WITH WIRES JAMMED IN BOTH EARS?

Have you not figured out that some of us just got tired of waiting for you to man up, and decided either we were gonna do it or it would not get done?

And for the character who wasted five reply boxes whining about all those eeeeeevil Girls who have insisted on doing their own mechanic work and watching outstanding sports car races instead of cooking his dinner and ironing his shirts, well, maybe you better go home to your Mommy who always bowed to you just the way Girls are supposed to do. Modern women do not have time to waste on spoiled, whining brats. We have to do our work and your work too.

Kevin McCullough: Could you please send

a signed copy of your new book, "The Kind of Man Every Man Should Be" to Hal Donahue?

He could really use a book like that, and I'm pretty sure we'll all pitch in and pay for it.

Thank you.
Anne


P.S. Okay, so you don't have to sign it if you'd rather not.

Hal says:

Bush the torturer?
......................................

Well, here a couple of quotes from your fellow travelers there Hal
. . . . . . . . .

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction
again, as he has ten times since 1983."

-Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
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"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of
mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D! , CA), Dec. 16, 1998
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"We know that he has stored secret supplies of
biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

-Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
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"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

-Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
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"[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents
a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ...

So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."

-Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
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3Putt, bob c.
thanks for info on BDS. there are so many acronyms i can't keep up, and don't even try.

Robert Anthony Snow: WELL DONE, good and
faithful servant.

The Lord has called Tony to a better place, but he will be missed by many.

Tony, like Tim Russert, leaves a legacy of decency, love, honesty, integrity, and exemplary character.

All our lives will be better for having these men cross our paths... personally or otherwise.

Our prayers are with both Tony and Tim, as well as their families.


ThreePuttinDude
"...Well, here a couple of quotes from your fellow travelers there Hal,,,"

LMAO Did I say war crimes? He admitted personally approving the waterboarding of three people and the US State Department admits that over 30 individuals died undergoing "enhanced" interrogation. Those two facts are more than adequate to charge crimes against humanity

AudiR10

I usually agree with everything you write on TH, but here you're a bit off base.

Those of us who didn't have a GottaGettaWoman mentality, who concentrated on our education or things other than chasing skirts (in my case, motorcycle roadracing) are the ones who are thought of by young women as geeks and losers. It's the "bad" boys that women seem to like, and when those jocks and hoodlums leave them waiting in the Lambo, they blame all of us men collectively for the actions of the worst of us.

Those who do open doors, give up seats and generally treat women with respect are largely ignored or taken for granted, trampled in the stampede of women vying for the guys who you describe.

The media's portrayal of decent, hardworking guys - especially husbands - is apalling, while thugs, "bad boys" and degenerates are portrayed as cool and sexy. Married, heterosexual males are show as buffoons, halfwits and inept slobs. They are usually shown as overweight, stupid bald guys married to slim attractive and smart women who have to lead these dolts around by the nose.

I think Feminism is a joke - not because I don't like strong women (I married one) - but because the movement went from a quest for equality to an "all men are scum" campaign. I defy you to direct me to ONE feminist website that is not anti-male.

The movement's motto says it all. I repeat: "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle."


halDoofus: Is the REAL torturer!

Doofus comes to TH practically every day... Ugh! And that IS TORTURE for every conservative reader and poster.

The very FEW who have been water boarded (which IS NOT torture except in doofus' little mind) the water boarding lasts not even 30secs.

Doofus' torture, on the other hand, lasts hours and hours and days and days... In fact, it never stops.

Now that's real torture!!!!!

I had the privilege
of being in the audience when Tony Snow spoke to the students at Hard Work U (College of the Ozarks in MO). Though he could have spoken on many subjects he chose to speak about handling adversity. It was truly inspiring. He never once complained about having cancer, instead he was making the most out of the situation by focusing on what is really important in life-- faith and family. I believe that his attitude in the face of hardship will stay with those students (and me) for a very long time.
I am blessed to have had the opportunity to see him. It is truly a sad day.

Tony Snow
I was saddened to hear this news yesterday. I hoped Tony Snow would beat the odds. I am sending my sincere condolences to Tony Snow's family, loved ones and friends.

Happy Hal The Terrorist's Pal
I realize that you don't think we're in a war, and want to curl up under the bed with your thumb in your mouth.

But a lot of us have a longer attention span and can remember 9/11 and the 3000 people who died that day. It's difficult enough fighting this war without having to wage it without hurting anyone's feelings, including the enemy's.

I, for one, couldn't care less about the "rights" of terrorists who recognize no rights and who will stop at NOTHING to accomplish their goal: the destruction of the west. 30 died? Gee, I'm all broken up about those 30 deceased terrorists.

You're a sad little man, Happy Hal, without a gonad on your person, and with a little pea-brain inflicted with BDS.

momof5girls: You are blessed and

fortunate... indeed.

Yesterday, and this morning on FOX, many more people who worked with Tony said the same thing.

Tony Snow was, indeed, an inspiration to EVERYONE whose life he touched, and even in case some don't realize it, Tony was a gift to us all.

Even Bob Bechtel, who never has a good word to say about any Conservative, had nothing but wonderful things to say about Tony... who, btw, WAS at one time, a liberal (but obviously saw the light...)

Bechtel even smiled when he was talking about Tony, something that Bechtel never does, and I actually saw a tear in his eye for the loss of such a wonderful man.



What every person should strive to be
Mr. Snow was what every person should strive to be. A person of God, common sense directed him. A caring husband and father who had his priorities in order. May God bless him and his family in the days to come.

Hal - far more than 3 were 'boarded'
The U.S. Military requires waterboarding of the majority of our special ops forces in most of the different branches of the military.

Yup! As TRAINING we WATERBOARD our OWN guys...

Rangers, Seals, Marines... they all get it.

Try that on for size...

KMC: Good idea, but first you have to

get Hal to come out from hiding underneath his bed...


RIP tony
Yes there is a God and He came to the world a long time ago in Jesus. And now Tony I hope is with him. I do not know if he was a Christian but i hope so. I do know that my Redeemer lives. And yes i believe in the Lord Jesus my Great God. Thank God that He came and died for my sin against him.

Bob_C
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 8:52 AM EST Happy Hal The Terrorist's Pal
I realize that you don't think we're in a war, and want to curl up under the bed with your thumb in your mouth."

Oh stop it and don't talk to me about NYC and the Pentagon. I worked at both locations and my daughter-in-law is a member of the NYFD. We have faced FAR more dangerous enemies like the British Empire and a Canadian Army sacked and burned the White House YET even then we did not adopt torture as a national policy. Even during the Cold War when we all could have been incinerated in the blink of an eye the nation did not make torture national policy. Yet when confronted by a gang of criminal terrorists the Bush Regime panicked and lost what moral compass it had. Here we have almost certainly one of the most religious administrations this country ever had and its first reaction was to completely lose its morals. A disgrace

"But a lot of us have a longer attention span and can remember 9/11 and the 3000 people who died that day...."

Oh please Iraq had and has ZERO to do with 9/11. Al Q is thriving and threatening BOTH Afghanistan and NUCLEAR Pakistan

"... the destruction of the west. 30 died? Gee, I'm all broken up about those 30 deceased terrorists."

I wager at least some of them were innocent and thank you for confirming that you are not an honorable and moral man or woman

KMC
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 9:03 AM EST Subject: Hal - far more than 3 were 'boarded'
The U.S. Military requires waterboarding of the majority of our special ops forces in most of the different branches of the military."

Let's say that if it exists, I completed that training and it was called torture. I find it amazing how many apoligists for torture are out there in this most religious country GEESH

IT STARTS IN PRE-SCHOOL

.....Males who show any signs of testosterone are given time-outs and are subdued with Ritalin ...contact sports like tag and dodge ball are banned ...

.....In middle school ...sex-ed that presents gay sex as just another choice and stresses acceptance of alternate life styles ...

.....By high school ...the boy are wearing pink shirts, ear rings, weird hair styles and swishing when they walk ...girls are turning to lezbos because the boys are too feminine .....COLOSSUS

Hal D
Is a perfect example of affirmative action.He became an officer without any gray matter

If halDoofus is SO against "torture"

why does he insist on coming to TH and torturing all of us????

Perhaps, torture really isn't all that big a deal to doofus since he insists on inflicting torture on us all the time.

Doofus should just man-up, but I guess we have to wait until he reads McCullough's book... "The Kind of Man Every Man Should Be."



Hey Kevin, can you get an early copy and put a rush on it to doofus? We'd all appreciate it.
Thanks. :-)

Anne...

I keep seeing Envy in these Liberals.

Why are they on Townhall? They have won no converts. And actually make us even more certain of our beliefs. Pretty self-abusive in a psychological sense.

They really seem to want to belong to a loving community like ours, but cannot give up that narcissistic desire to create a world in their own image.

Adolescent self-orientation figures prominent, eh?

Happy Hal The Psychiatrists Pal
Happy Hal whines "I wager at least some of them were innocent and thank you for confirming that you are not an honorable and moral man or woman"

Hal, do me a favor. Save your whiney, sniveling, cowardly drivel for the yokels on Daily Kos. I'm not impressed. In fact I think you're stupid. Most of us on TH think you're an idiot. Why do you insist on constantly making a fool of yourself? Do you have some sick need for attention from people who dispise you?

Carlos

You said it better than I did. Right on!

In Rememberance Of Tony Snow
LIFE FOREVER

The dawn of my last sunrise
the evening of my last sunset

The moment I put my last breath,quietly,unseen by the world,cradled in the arms of His grace, I depart my earthly home.

Death does not end my existence, it sets me free from mortality and sin.

My earthly presence, ordained by God,
the meaning and purpose of my life, has an eternal destiny.

Now,the deepest longing in my heart,groaning beyond words,will be fulfilled.

God,my Holy Father,we love each other.
Christ,my Lord and Savior,we love each other.

All is pure,unbroken,never ending.
The life worth living, now and forever.

Jack Nels Gordon
Author


copyright 2004-JN.Gordon

Carlos
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 10:33 AM EST Subject: Anne...

I keep seeing Envy in these Liberals.

Why are they on Townhall? They have won no converts. And actually make us even more certain of our beliefs. Pretty self-abusive in a psychological sense."

BUT we do not allow you an unopposed platform to spew your moral relativism, hate and misinformation. That is why I am here in any case - to bear witness. But also it is interesting to argu points in here before I meet you ilk in public so thank you


Hal Donahue and Obama on Genocide
Barack Obama on Genocide in Iraq

Genocide = the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.

SUNAPEE, N.H. - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/view.bg? articleid=1012561

Obama knows that the victims of a Genocide in Iraq would be the destruction of those who voted for Liberty, Freedom and the Right of the Iraq people to have a constitution and elect their own government.

Remember those women who proudly held up their purple thumbs?

Iraqi Women who for the first time in their entire life had a chance to seek freedom - women who have been victims of barbaric torture for centuries?

Those brave women will be first in the Genocide!

Hal Donahue
Maybe it is the main subject of this article (Tony Snow), or the endless & tireless repetition of your posts, but I've lost my patience with you.

STFU for once.

Bob_C
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 10:37 AM EST Happy Hal The Psychiatrists Pal
Happy Hal whines "I wager at least some of them were innocent and thank you for confirming that you are not an honorable and moral man or woman"

"Hal, do me a favor. Save your whiney, sniveling, cowardly drivel for the yokels on Daily Kos. I'm not impressed. In fact I think you're stupid."

Too sensitive for you huh? embarrassing? Well it should be you apoligist

" Most of us on TH think you're an idiot. Why do you insist on constantly making a fool of yourself? Do you have some sick need for attention from people who dispise you?"

Just bearing witness to your depravity...you cannot say I never knew or I did not realize

Hal Donahue in touch with his femininity

Lesley Stahl on CBS's 60 Minutes. Madeleine Albright When asked by Stahl with regards to effect of sanctions against Iraq: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"

Albright replied: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it."

HalD thinks that starving 1/2 million children is not torture because he thinks like Albright.

Democrats - Obama ok with Genocide
Many Americans have heard about the 'Rape Rooms' in Iraq before 'Iraqi Freedom'.

The details are to ghastly to describe here at TH, this is as graphic as allowed.

Women and girls, reportedly as young as 9 years old, were strapped down and repeatedly raped and tortured any way the 'Islamic Animals' desired, by as many 'Brutal Men' as available.

Many of their families were forced to watch.

When the 'Islamic Animals' had enough of the female, many were fed feet first into a wood chipper while they were still alive.

The next female victim and their families would be brought in.

This was Genocide of Iraqi females.

Genocide that Obama is willing to allow so he can be 'politically expedient' to Code Pink and their celebrated hero John Murtha.

Retired Geek
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 10:46 AM EST Hal Donahue and Obama on Genocide
Barack Obama on Genocide in Iraq"

subject change? not man enough to own up to the fact that you support torturers and condone their behavior?

"...Obama knows that the victims of a Genocide in Iraq would be the destruction of those who voted for Liberty, Freedom and the Right of the Iraq people to have a constitution and elect their own government."

Oh he does does he? And you know this how? Why do you underestimate the Iraqis? You don't think they are capable of forming their own government? The Iraqi people and government want us to leave.

"..Iraqi Women who for the first time in their entire life had a chance to seek freedom - women who have been victims of barbaric torture for centuries? "

Really???? the women of secular Iraq as a group had FAR more freedom than they have in the current Iraq which is Muslim. Now if you were female and a member of a family in disfavor with Saddam look out. But don't go all soft on me and say look at the women - they are abused either way.


Carlos: halDoofus is a bit lofty today
isn't he???

Funny thing though, should a Conservative go to huffy or kos and post even a slightly Conservative point of view, that post is RIPPED DOWN FASTER THAN ONE CAN BLINK!

Yes, I know, I know... the liberal leftists who are all in favor of "tolerance." Right!!!

Why is that, I wonder?

Oh, and of doofus wants to see hate, he should take a look at the left wing comments about Tony Snow.

NOW, THERE IS HATE... unmitigated, unadulterated, HATE!


Primus54
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 10:49 AM EST Subject: Hal Donahue
Maybe it is the main subject of this article (Tony Snow), ....STFU for once. "

See here is the problem it was not about Tony who I respected it was about using Tony for political purposes. It is a moral thing so you probably wouldn't recognise it

Tony Snow was the Epitome of Class
Marines Dad post #66 said it all. I'm sorry to take the lazy way out, but you said it so well, I would just like to second that post about the great Tony Snow. I am so saddened by his death, and he will be greatly missed. May God Bless him and his family.

Tony Snow was a great example
Tony Snow was a great example of a 'man'.

Tony Snow worked until the very end to provide for wife and family.

Tony Snow was a great example of courage 'under fire' and demonstrated bravery in his personal and public life.

Tony Snow the greatest honors I could give you:

"You Sir were a Great American Husband"

"You Sir were a Great American Father"

"You Sir were a Great American Patriot"

Tony Snow May You Rest Eternally With God.

God Bless the Family of Tony Snow.

Jesse Jackson
Sorry to report this to you but Micheele Obama has already taken care of the 'job' you wish to perform on Barack Obama.

Retired Geek
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 10:56 AM EST Democrats - Obama ok with Genocide
Many Americans have heard about the 'Rape Rooms' in Iraq before 'Iraqi Freedom'.

The details are to ghastly to describe here at TH, this is as graphic as allowed."

Hey you said you are OK about crimes against humanity. Are you trying to say we are bad but they are worse so we are ok? LOL

"Women and girls, reportedly as young as 9 years old, were strapped down and repeatedly raped and tortured any way the 'Islamic Animals' desired, by as many 'Brutal Men' as available."

Did you feel the same way when christians in old Yugoslavia repeatedly raped Islamic women in barracks until they were obviously pregnant and then sent them home? What is your point?

"Genocide that Obama is willing to allow so he can be 'politically expedient' to Code Pink and their celebrated hero John Murtha. "

These are crimes against humanity just like torturing prisoners they should also be brought to justice. It is not allow it is will the Americans be willing to pay the price to stop it? In Dufar we were not and in North Korea we are not. Just what is it you are trying to say? What is your point?

Anne
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 11:01 AM EST Carlos: halDoofus is a bit lofty today
isn't he???

"Funny thing though, should a Conservative go to huffy or kos and post even a slightly Conservative point of view, that post is RIPPED DOWN FASTER THAN ONE CAN BLINK!""

Name calling and no substance should be taken down like retired Geeks 11:12 posting - they serve no purpose and violate the terms of agreement

"...Oh, and of doofus wants to see hate, he should take a look at the left wing comments about Tony Snow.

NOW, THERE IS HATE... unmitigated, unadulterated, HATE!"

I told you I am a moderate the lefties call me a fascist and a nazi or worse a neo-con LOL

Anne et al
Great Posts as usual!

HalD and Obamaites have higher 'ethics' than us mere conservatives - did you not know that?

Obama is all right with genocide in Iraq and Albright was all right with starving 1/2 million kids.

Anne do you not understand that 'placing panties' on a prisoners head is much more cruel and inhuman than Genocide?

Democrats think starving millions all over the world to save the world from automobiles is a just and noble cause?

Does anyone understand why inanimate objects like guns, automobiles, gas, lightbulbs etc are far more dangerous than animate objects like Islamic Terrorists, Criminals and Democratic Leaders who think Genocide is not evil?

halDoofus: Unable to "man-up"....

but posts. "... using Tony for political purposes. It is a moral thing so you probably wouldn't recognise it" (What a stupid argument from a stupid person!)

Actually, Tony Snow was NOT ever used by anyone for anything, as much as doofus would like to think so.

Even Bob Bechtel, who happens to be one of the top three or four cantankerous old liberal curmudgeons on tv, never even alluded to that.

And even cantankerous old liberal curmudgeon, Bob Bechtel, who has the UTMOST RESPECT for Tony Snow, spoke about the times... yes TIMES, that Conservative Tony Snow bailed him out of a number of situations.

Cantankerous old liberal curmudgeon, Bob Bechtel, was able to "man-up" yesterday and today in ways that we'll NEVER see from doofus.

It's just a guess, but I suspect that if Bechtel saw some of doofus' posts, especially about Tony Snow, Bechtel would probably stomp on doofus as only Bechtel could.

While Bechtel will probably continue to be a cantankerous old liberal curmudgeon, I have to admit that I do have some respect for him that I did not have before, and assuredly will never have for doofus.

Clinton on Rwanda
"In the course of a hundred days in 1994 the Hutu government of Rwanda and its extremist allies very nearly succeeded in exterminating the country's Tutsi minority. Using firearms, machetes, and a variety of garden implements, Hutu militiamen, soldiers, and ordinary citizens murdered some 800,000 Tutsi and politically moderate Hutu. It was the fastest, most efficient killing spree of the twentieth century.

Clinton had shown virtually no interest in stopping the genocide, and his Administration had stood by as the death toll rose into the hundreds of thousands.

In March of 1998, on a visit to Rwanda, President Clinton issued what would later be known as the "Clinton apology," which was actually a carefully hedged acknowledgment. He spoke to the crowd assembled on the tarmac at Kigali Airport: "We come here today partly in recognition of the fact that we in the United States and the world community did not do as much as we could have and should have done to try to limit what occurred" in Rwanda."

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200109/power-genocide

Hal Donahue rewriting History
Democrats and HalD on Rwanda.

http://www.nsarchive.org

Read for yourselves.


Anne...

You're right. I only peeked once at a D-Kos article about Tony Snow.

The comments started out with Vile comments about Mr. Snow. Then the comments morphed into a long string of "how to place items in body cavities"?

These really cannot be adults? Sounds too much like what is heard from Junior High School boys.

I definitely had a flash-back to my Busing days in Detroit :)

Retired Geek...Zig-Zag !!!

I see you are over the target :)

Bill Clinton amoral narcissist?
Samantha Power was rightfully awarded the Pulitzer for her finely written and downright horrifying book "A Problem From Hell" which, in macabre detail, describes the calculated indifference of the Clinton administration when 800,000 Rwandans were being systematically butchered.

The red phone rang and rang and rang again. I don't know where Hillary was then. But her husband and his entire experienced foreign policy team - from the brass in the Pentagon to the congenitally feckless Secretary of State Warren Christopher - just let it ring.

And as more than one researcher has amply documented the case, the bloody paralysis of the Clinton administration in the face of the Rwandan genocide owed not at all to a lack of information, but rather to a lack of will. A reviewer of Power's book for The New York Times, perhaps summed it up best, saying that the picture of Clinton that emerges from this reading is that of an "amoral narcissist."


"Why Manhood is Vanishing?" Perhaps....

if we could figure out how and why doofus is the wimp he is, maybe we'd have a clue.

No doubt growing up, doofus was the neighborhood bully. And not until just recently could I put my finger on it.... Remember the now classic movie, "A Christmas Story?" doofus IS Scut Farkus!

Still the same, just a Scut Farkus in an adult body.



Carlos et al
Thanks for the warning. lol

I have dropped my bombs and I am returning to home base unscathed.

Keep firing Carlos!

I am reloading and will be back later today.

Vote for Obama 08 and keep the Democrat tradition of Genocide!

Tony
has finished his race, and won the prize. I believe we all have a calling in this life. Tony's joy amid his troubles was a calling, not given to a lot of us, but he lived by example:
In everything give thanks for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus.

AudiR Like others, I like your posts also, but
you are lumping ALL men as the same. I've been married to a man that has treated me like a queen for 47 years, still opens the doors. He was/is an Ephesian 4 husband, father and grandfather.

Pistol #21 good reply to Kishi.
Stoic patriot..this woman agrees. I was a stay at home mom of 6, husband worked f.t. and p.t. so I could. I don't know why women who don't have to, want to work outside the home and then have to come home to deal with house and kids.
One reason why I resent feminism/ists is because they had/have the gall to talk down to
women like me. I've been told and heard many times that I don't know what it is like to work. uh huh. Try raising 6 of your own and a few others along the way on a tight budget, one car without much adult conversation during the day because others are out chasing a career. (Not knocking those who are forced by circumstances).

Tony was a lovely man
He was such a breath of fresh air when he took over as press secretary. The world would be a better place if we could all be a bit more like Tony.

I notice some tried to turn the attention away from Tony on this thread. Is it really that hard for them to hear something good about a Conservative. How is expressing sadness about the death of a wonderful man using him for political reasons?

As for Hal, I am going to pray for him (maybe even say a rosary)...His hatred of Bush is causing him great distress apparently. Also, his desire to coddle the terrorists is rather telling. Did he say he is retired military? I know this may sound uncharitable, but I am having a hard time with that story...

On manhood
I'm lookikng forward to what you have to say in your book.

But perhaps Raymond Chandler said it in a couple of sentences.

In his last, greatest adventure, a woman asks Phillip Marlowe, "How can a man who is so tough, be so gentle?"

He replies, "If I weren't tough, I wouldn't be alive. If I couldn't be gentle, I wouldn't desereve to be alive."

Anne, shame on you!
The Farkus comment has to be one of the funniest EVER posted on Townhall! I am still laughing!

That was a red letter spew alert post!!!!

Ret. Geek & Carlos:"The comments started
out with Vile comments about Mr. Snow. Then the comments morphed into a long string of "how to place items in body cavities"?

Eerily similar to Ret. Geek's posts regarding saddam's rape rooms.

How 'bout that doofus? Same kind of sick, depraved mentality. Certainly NOT the kind of people I'd want to hang around with....

Oh yeah, want to talk some more about "morals" doofus? That would be nice!


Dottie: Ooops. Sorry. :-( Thanks. :-)
But can't you just see it now??? doofus IS FARKUS!!!




Tony Snow seemed a decent enough fellow.
I wish I could say the same about his detractors. I certainly couldn't say it about Jackson or Wright, or Ayers or Dohrn or any of the people Obama hangs out with. Wonder why that is?

Hal Donahue replies:
"See here is the problem it was not about Tony who I respected it was about using Tony for political purposes."
-----

It still comes down to choices, Hal, no matter how you try to package it.

You had a choice to simply post your alleged respect for Tony - and move on.

You instead chose to make a political point that only someone brand new to these threads hasn't read ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

Disgraceful...

Yep, Anne
I actually can see it! Where is a mad Ralphie when we need him....

I guess I have seen some bloody him up pretty well, but Hal is, if nothing else, persistent.

Question: Can Farkus actually answer

a question without asking another????

Anne: "Funny thing though, should a Conservative go to huffy or kos and post even a slightly Conservative point of view, that post is RIPPED DOWN FASTER THAN ONE CAN BLINK!""

doofus: "Name calling and no substance should be taken down like retired Geeks 11:12 posting - they serve no purpose and violate the terms of agreement"


What about 99.99% of all of YOUR posts that serve no purpose and violate the terms of agreement. (And besides, Geek's 11:12AM post was true! But I bet you don't want to talk about Jackson.. who actually made that comment?)

Like all the posts that called Conservatives "cowards" and "sissies" etc.? Like all of those posts???

And then there's the "SUBSTANCE" issue... because you NEVER have any substance, nor do you ever actually ANSWER a question. All you do is turn it around and ask another question....

So, how about it doofus....???? Ooops, I mean Farkus... How about it????



Dottie
Dottie observes: "I guess I have seen some bloody him up pretty well, but Hal is, if nothing else, persistent."

Happy Hal is blissfully unaware of the fact that he's so stupid he doesn't know he's stupid. If he's persistent, it's born of the same kind of persistence that loud, obnoxious children display in their quest for the attention of adults.

Retired Geek
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 11:26 AM EST Subject: Anne et al
Great Posts as usual!

HalD and Obamaites have higher 'ethics' than us mere conservatives - did you not know that?

O"...Anne do you not understand that 'placing panties' on a prisoners head is much more cruel and inhuman than Genocide?"

Oh who said that? Not I but severe beating hung up against a wall nude and exposed to the cold does count as a crime against humanity. But you did not answer me..."Hey you said you are OK about crimes against humanity. Are you trying to say we are bad but they are worse so we are ok? LOL

"Democrats think starving millions all over the world to save the world from automobiles is a just and noble cause?"

WOW you keep trying to change that subject apoligist.


Dottie: I'd say more OBSSESIVE than
persistent.

But he does seem to vacate the thread when he's been cornered and run out of sad, sappy comebacks.



Bob_C: BINGO! Spot on.. "Happy Hal is
blissfully unaware of the fact that he's so stupid he doesn't know he's stupid."

Such as the halFarkus @12:35PM post??? He just doesn't GET IT does he???




Primus
"You had a choice to simply post your alleged respect for Tony - and move on."

Oh no this site was not about Snow this site was beating up old Jackson while hiding behind the body of Tony. Typical conservative

Anne
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 12:28 PM EST Subject: Question: Can Farkus actually answer

....Like all the posts that called Conservatives "cowards" and "sissies" etc.? Like all of those posts???"

Those are words with definitions. Many regular posters and conservatives are timid and frightened people. A definition for sissy is a timid and frightened person. Coward has the same explaination and the word coward can well be applied to Kevin in this posting because he is hiding behind the body of Tony.


With respect to McCullough
... Tony Snow was evidence that manhood is NOT vanishing.

I say, hang in there everyone, men and women. Public schools and society can only ruin us if we let them. Homeschool if you have to. Stay married. GET married; don't have children out of wedlock. Don't hand your family, finances, and self-respect over to the courts and the welfare monitors to arrange for you.

Men, you are not really so weak that your manhood can be undone by feminist advocacy. Choose well the women you let into your life, and you will never regret it. Choose your own role models for manhood. And never blame the violation of your conscience on anyone else.

There are real men all over America, and real men in training. Like real women, they are much stronger and more effective than their weak counterparts. Buck up, shipmates. The glass is half full -- and its level will rise if we don't lose heart. Tony would want us to.

Hal Donahue: I am sure that you are
totally unaware of this, but....

Your post..#107 @12:54PM makes absolutely NO SENSE what-so-ever! Nothing! Zero! Nada! Zip!

(See that? "Nada!" That was for your loser Marxist Obama!) :-)

In fact, you may as well have just typed in "Blah, blah, blah, and Yaddah, yaddah, yaddah" and "adsflhlaewrertihasdt," for all that post said and was worth.

No doubt, in your mind (or whatever it is that you use for a mind) you must think that that post at least "said something" or that perhaps there was some substance to it.

THERE WAS NOTHING! Very, very, very sad!

You are the (or one of the) laughing stocks of TH, and I know we poke fun at you (which of course, you richly deserve!) but we really shouldn't. You are a very sad, pathetic person.

Jackson quotes
"I cast my bread on the waters long ago. Now it's time for you to send it back to me-toasted and buttered on both sides."

"Jesus was born in Bethlehem, Jesse was born in Greeneville"

"I like to go to Vietnam on occasions, the girls are young and the food is fresh"

"I sometimes have dreams of little girls having pillow fights with pillows made out of fish scales"

Hal Donahue replies again:
"Oh no this site was not about Snow this site was beating up old Jackson while hiding behind the body of Tony."
-----

No matter how much you attempt to justify your behavior - you still had a choice - nobody was holding a gun to your head.

You are like school in the summertime, Hal.

No class...

Primus54
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 1:35 PM EST Subject: Hal Donahue replies again:
"Oh no this site was not about Snow this site was beating up old Jackson while hiding behind the body of Tony."
-----

No matter how much you attempt to justify your behavior - you still had a choice - nobody was holding a gun to your head."

No attempt at all this blog is not about Tony and Kevin is just using Tony's body as a hide but as I said given your moral relativity I can see why you cannot see that

"You are like school in the summertime, Hal."

Much of the world goes to school in the summer

Oh to be a liberal
It must be so nice. Casting stones at others while living in a glass house--that would be such fun. Looking for insult in every statement that is not glowing toward my side--what joy! Believing I lived in a vacuum and the rest of the world can just commit genocide to its heart's content--hey, it's all fun and games 'til it happens to me, then the gubmint better come take care of me!

My gosh! I wish I could be so clueless and irresponsible! It must be nice to live like that. Unfortunately, as a former lib (I swear...I would never admit to voting for Carter in '80 if it was not true), the scales hve fallen from my eyes!

Folks
The whole "manhood" thing is a farce. Look at our troops. Look at public service folks. Look around you. If by "manhood" you mean John Wayne and Heston then that "manhood" never existed it was a hollywood fake. If you mean "manhood" as a stand up person you would like to know even if you disagreed with them like JFK or Ronnie - they are out there a plenty. Tomorrow I will be at Walter Reed and I will be again humbled by the quality and courage of the men and women there. Don't talk to me about manhood disappearing these kids may think and act differently than us but they are stand up folks to be proud of and for my money better than we were at their age.

Dottie
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 1:48 PM EST Subject: Oh to be a liberal
...Believing I lived in a vacuum and the rest of the world can just commit genocide to its heart's content--hey, it's all fun and games 'til it happens to me, then the gubmint better come take care of me! "

LOL oh no you do not. It is you far right crazies who think the world revovles around you. Look at what conservatism has wrought. LOOK! Nothing of merit. You will be thrown out in disgrace in November and the Bush regime will go to the Hague. To do something they have never done before - face their crimes and their incompetence.

"My gosh! I wish I could be so clueless and irresponsible! "

It appears you are.

"It must be nice to live like that. Unfortunately, as a former lib (I swear...I would never admit to voting for Carter in '80 if it was not true), the scales hve fallen from my eyes! "

I did not vote for Carter in 82 I wrote in a name. Carter was almost as bad as Bush the Torturer

We will miss Tony Snow.
He was so likable and we believed what he said.

We will have been married 63 years next month.
He is still the very manly, wonderful and kind man I married.

Mr. Snow is in God's arms.

Allo my best to his family

Huh ?
So Hal, you say your daughter-in-law is a member of the NYFD ? What exactly is the NYFD ?
Oh.. You must mean the FDNY, New York City's Fire Dept !! That's interesting.. The FDNY employs almost 9000 line firefighters,
less than 100 of which are women... Your daughter-in-law must be a chip off the ol' block !!

TONY SNOW
ALL THIS BICKERING DOWN HERE REALLY MEANS NOTHING TO TONY NOW-HE'S AT THE THRONE OF GOD-PLAY YOUR CARDS RIGHT AND YOU WILL GET TO MEET HIM IN PERSON ONE DAY

God and Tony Snow
I am not too surprised that someone had to raise the issue about why Bad Things happen to good people? I can't recall the author, but the point is that God is only concerned about your soul, not what happens to your body!

In the eons of time for immortality,the soul can learn only as fast as it has a free will to do so. The first stage of development is perhaps the only one that needs a body to permit the chance for the soul to see what the body can experience.

Tony Snow packed a lot of experience into his mere 53 years. I am certain that his soul is closer now to God than most others who lived on Earth a lot longer than his time.

God does not need to bargain with us for time on Earth. It is up to us, to make the most out of our accidental time on Earth.

Tony will surely be missed.
We were so fortunate to have had Tony in our lives. He was a prime example of a wonderful human being who loved family, country and life. I loved his sense of humor and his talent to sooth the most agressive questioneer as White House Press Secretary. Tony's smile was captivating and he kept a positive attitude during his battles with cancer. One learned alot through his many examples. God Rest Tony.

Hal The enemy Collaborator.
And NOW see what you Democrats have done!

Democrats now control both the House & Senate.

Democrats deliberately created our Gas/Energy crisis for political purpose.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/high_gas_prices_and_ the_marxis.html

Democrats concocted the Agrarian Global Warming Hoax as an attempt to tax the working poor.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121244985951839615.html?mod =opinion_main_commentaries

Democrats manufacture fictional atrocities to blame our troops for;
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=5509FEE E-FCFE-4926-8C62-AB8EA4B124FB

Democrats organize Communist groups to directly assist our enemy by hindering recruitment.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=099900E 0-DB3A-4C88-A861-25B2AB88EE16

Democrats have corrupted our schools with Anti-American politics and cheat our children of proper education.
http://www.anxietycenter.com/subversion.htm

Democrats refuse to protect our Borders and allow violent Mexican criminals to victimize Americans.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51424

Democrats do everything they can to harm Americans.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=CC8C8AC E-504B-4E91-81C9-F15EA8B2F7E7

Judi: So sad that it's only now that

Tony Snow is gone that we're learning so much MORE about what we already knew was a wonderful Christian and dedicated family man.

Bill Plante (CBS) shared how Snow inadvertently cut off (the lovely??) Helen Thomas. Most people would think that Ol' Helen deserved at least that... sweetheart that she was. Yet Plante shared that he happened to run into Snow in the hall right after the press briefing, and Snow was frantically looking for Thomas to apologize.

That is class!

And, apparently even after he left the White House, Snow would often call to check on the health and well being of those... including Helen Thomas... whom he knew had problems and health issues.

Wake
Fortunately, no friends or members of my family would ever go to a wake to sneer at and bicker with others, as have several of the snots above. It's sorta like p*ssing on someone's grave. It marks them as completely disgusting & undeserving of common courtesy, worthy only of a 'bum's rush.' And the MEN in my family would promptly provide it.

You are RIGHT Hal.
No one should even try to talk to you about manhood. Most folks are trying to speak well of an American Man. You come in here with your trash talk sh(*. You should be shot....no strangled. Why waste a good bullet on something so worthless.

umm, Hal
Carter didn't run in '82.....

Sadly, you had to turn this thread political with your bitterness. Believe what you want, but you are wrong.

I will not argue with you because my mama once told me a story about peeing contests and skunks...


hal Farkus (#115) writes: "The whole

"manhood" thing is a farce."

"Don't talk to me about manhood disappearing these kids may think and act differently than us but they are stand up folks to be proud of and for my money better than we were at their age."

Ugh! NOT ONLY does halFarkus STILL NOT GET IT... he doesn't even have a CLUE!!!! And he proved it, unequivocally, by that post.

As I said, Hal...
... you had a choice.

And you aren't "man enough" to know when to admit you erred.

You can call yourself a "moderate" all you want, but your own words and behaviors here and on countless other days speak louder than your self-proclaimed label.

If you are a "moderate", then Hillary is a member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

Go away...

Dottie: You one-upped me... LOL

Your "... mama once told me a story about peeing contests and skunks..."

As my grandson would say, "That's not good... THAT'S GREAT!!!"



Primus: You know halFarkus can't man-up.

"Err" is not even the issue. halFarkus LIES at the click of the "Submit" button.

Tony Snow?
All I know of Tony Snow is what I saw of him as Press Secretary and on FOX News.
He impressed me as articulate, straightforward and honest.
That much of the man I knew.

TeamNRA
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 2:18 PM EST Huh ?
So Hal, you say your daughter-in-law is a member of the NYFD ? What exactly is the NYFD ?
Oh.. You must mean the FDNY, New York City's Fire Dept !! That's interesting.. The FDNY employs almost 9000 line firefighters,
less than 100 of which are women... Your daughter-in-law must be a chip off the ol' block !! "

LOL she sure is with New York City's Fire Dept !! although she is on maternity leave right now. She is an EMT.

Oh tell me with that name are you a military vet? Not many folks advertise that extreme rightwing organization in my area.

Dottie
DUH! LOL a typo sorry

And I prefer no comments just let me pontificate but thank you for pointing out the error

Hal The Communist LIAR!
Starting with your lies about the NRA and Law Enforcement.
You claim to have worked in Law Enforcement and to have been an NRA member who spoke at NRA Banquets.
You called the NRA a Right Wing Extremist organization that is anti-Law Enforcement.
If you had ever been an NRA member or a member of Law Enforcement you would know the NRA is ONE (1) issue only.
Whether the source is left or right is immaterial, firearms is the only issue. If you had ever been an NRA member you would also know that FDR & JFK were both NRA members
If you had ever been an NRA member or worked in Law Enforcement you would know most Rank & File Law Enforcement are NRA members and closely allied with the NRA.
Other than politicians, it is rare to find Rank & File Law Enforcement that is anti-gun.

Why did you lie and pretend to be an NRA member?
Why did you lie and pretend to have worked in Law Enforcement?
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1st version), You said both Israeli & Palestinian soldiers, (plural), broke down and came to you and cried in your arms.
(2nd version), An Israeli soldier, (singular), broke down and cried in your arms.
I don't know what you were trying to say but what you actually did say is that you have never been close enough to sustained combat to be familiar with the symptoms of combat fatigue.

Ann
YOu near DC? I'll buy you a coffee tomorrow LOL

Tony Snow RIP
This has been a sad weekend for me. Tony Snow has been an inspiration for me ever since he was diagnosed with cancer.

I had followed his career for years and always enjoyed his fair minded conversations with people of both parties.

He was a good spokesman for President Bush and his administration and I was sad to see him go.

He handled his sickness with such class and never complained in public,that I saw. I was hoping he would beat the disease.

Two great husbands and fathers who just passed on, are hopefully in God's Kingdom and if perchance they have run across each other,they are probably talking together about their family,friends and certainly,politics.


Anne!!!!!
Don't accept the invite Anne!!!!! He will poison your coffee!!!!

Anne,
On second thought, if you are carrying your 357 maybe you could accept.

Clueless halFarkus: You really DON'T
get it!!!

TeamNRA was telling you that there is NO SUCH THING AS the NYFD... New York Fire Department.

IF you had a clue of which you claim, (LIE) and you were telling the truth, YOU WOULD KNOW that it's the FDNY.. Fire Department New York!


And, you ALWAYS have to get in a snotty little, worthless, immature jab or insult don't you???

No wonder everyone knows you're an immature, pompous, bully like Scut Farkus (probably including the green teeth and all.) Because you are!!!


Oh, and btw, if I lived in Scranton, I'd never actually tell anyone I lived there. How embarrassing!


Bobby: Good call! LOL But I'm very

discerning about whom I let buy me coffee, or I'm seen with.

You know that pithy old saying, "You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep...?"

As I've told my children, there is a good reason why there are "pithy old sayings" and that's because they possess a lot of wisdom.

Besides, are you allowed yet to carry in DC? I don't have a permit for DC. :-(





MyOpine
"...I don't know what you were trying to say but what you actually did say is that you have never been close enough to sustained combat to be familiar with the symptoms of combat fatigue."

Did I? I think you are confusing your and the others" lies with reality. I gave zero military info except service, rank and retired status

Anne

"...Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 4:18 PM EST Subject: Clueless halFarkus: You really DON'T
get it!!!

TeamNRA was telling you that there is NO SUCH THING AS the NYFD... New York Fire Department."

"IF you had a clue of which you claim, (LIE) and you were telling the truth, YOU WOULD KNOW that it's the FDNY.. Fire Department New York!"

Yet she serves LOL ask anyone you know the name LOL

"... btw, if I lived in Scranton, I'd never actually tell anyone I lived there. How embarrassing! "

Oh now you do not like Scranton? LMAO

HalDoofus
I usually simply chuckle at your rants but what you are spewing today drives me crazy about you, especially as an ex-military man. The United States or George Bush if you prefer did not one day simply decide to start torturing innocent Muslims Hal. These bazztards have killed innocent people, cut the heads off of journalists and servicemen, they have dragged burnt American bodies through the streets, and they have cheered it all while calling for our annihilation. And let us not forget 9/11 and every other thing these savages have done in the name of Allah. Now I am sure you'll argue the Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 but it is not Saddam's henchmen we fight in Iraq, and has not been for some time - AQ has even said so. We are fighting the human garbage that has attacked us and others over and over again for decades. First off I for one do not care what is done to these scumbagz. Second as ex-military do you really belive US forces are taking innocent Iraqi civilians to Guantanamo and waterboarding them? Is that what you did in the military? I have faith in the people that serve us that they are not savages. I do however know mistakes are made that is part of war - but I know what the intent is. I have faith that Bush, while he has made some really stupid decisions relating to Iraq and has been a disappointment as POTUS, has only authorized this activity in an effort to save American lives - not because he loves to torture people. I mean that is the most ridiculous things all of you anti-war people say. You would rather play nice with people who won't play nice while they plot to nuke Chicago as an example. I say do what has to be done to protect American lives - even worthless ones like yours - because AQ would cut your head off if they could Hal. And the fact that you act as if Americans are the ones to fear rather than the terrorists is a view of reality that indicates all of you BDSers have some real mental problems. Where do you get this crappola?

WHY?
WHY do you people insist on giving Hal Doofus the attention he comes here seeking??

Simpply flag his posts as offensive(to anyone with common sense) and move on.

All you do by responding to him is give him a reason to post again, and waste YOUR time and TH's bandwidth.

Hal The enemy Collaborator.
Reality Hal?

Your LIES often tell us more than you intend.
When you lied and said BOTH Israeli and Palestinian soldiers broke under combat and came to cry in your arms you told us you have never seen men break under combat fatigue.

By adding your lie about being in Law Enforcement and your lie about being an NRA member you tell us you are a sociopathic liar just like Wobbie.

Now you are trying to tell us you are a Moderate who writes for a Communist site. (HufPo.)

You do cause confusion with your lies.
We can't see any purpose for them or how anyone could be so naive to pretend like that on TH.

Why do you tell irrelevant lies Hal?


Poor, Poor Hal
He shrieks like a ten year old girl denied her ticket to a Jonas Brothers concert!

My final word is that Tony Snow was a great human being and a real man among men! We should all drink a toast to Tony!

And Hal...
I am unhappy that I have stooped to communicating with you but I must ask these two questions:

I am sure you've heard the expressions "an eye for an eye" and "fight fire with fire". Do you disagree with these concepts?

Since you are against the torturing of "innocents" when Wesley Clarke was bombing civilians from 25,000 (likely on Bubba's orders) were crying about the torture they were going through then?

halFarkus: Bingo! Exactly what Primus

posted. You can't even man-up and admit that you've made a mistake.

You can't even man-up and say, "Oh yeah, it is FDNY. Sorry."

"Yet she serves LOL ask anyone you know the name LOL"

What? The name of the FDNY? Don't need to. I lived in NYC, so I DO know the name.

"Oh now you do not like Scranton? LMAO"

halFarkus, Scranton is still in the twilight zone of the 1930's. It's depressing and depressed so much that it makes Camden look like the Main Line. You bet it's an embarrassing place to live.

Heck, even at the height of the real estate market, you could get a swell 4 bedroom home for $20K that actually had all four walls, and included windows.

Tony was a Real Man
Tony Snow was the epitome of a real man. What an inspiration! May God bless his family.

It seems that all the "real men" who are left in this country reside on the conservative side. We really need more of these men to run for Congress and take back control from these pathetic weenies who refuse to allow capitalism to exist and make this country great again. We wouldn't have this ridiculous oil issue now if we had had real men (and women) in Congress years ago to vote down these leftists who have prevented us from accessing our own oil and natural gas!

bobbit
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 4:39 PM EST Subject: "...
The United States or George Bush if you prefer did not one day simply decide to start torturing innocent Muslims ...American bodies through the streets, and they have cheered it all while calling for our annihilation."

In over 200 years FAR worse threats to our existence have threatened the Republic. Yet, NEVER even during the Civil War or WWII did the United States establish a policy of using torture. WHY? The answer is that it does not work and it is cowardly actually it is simple terrorism


" And let us not forget 9/11 and every other thing these savages have done in the name of Allah. Now I am sure you'll argue the Saddam...AQ has even said so. "

and you believe terrorists? REALLY????

"...First off I for one do not care what is done to these scumbagz. Second as ex-military do you really belive US forces are taking innocent Iraqi civilians to Guantanamo and waterboarding them?"

No I do not I hope the military has too much integrity and tradition to ever do that BUT GW Bush has said he personally authorised the torture of three individuals

Bobbit
"....I have faith that Bush, while he has made some really stupid decisions ...not because he loves to torture people."

I just think he did it because he panicked and has no moral compass

"...I mean that is the most ridiculous things all of you anti-war people say."

I am a retired military officer I am not anti war when necessary I am anti stupidity and incompetence

"...You would rather play nice with people who won't play nice while they plot to nuke Chicago...would cut your head off if they could Hal."

Torture does not work and AIDS the enemy. Using torture in gross incompetence

"... And the fact that you act as if Americans are the ones to fear rather than the terrorists is a view of reality...."

A lot of folks feared me in my day. The Bush Regime has damaged and badly hurt the US you Faith in Bush the torturer is sadly misplaced.

Marines Dad
Sir I have seen Wobbie kicked off and now you advocate Hal being flagged. This flies in the face of all we believe in. Despite their being offensive, untruthful, and even retarded, they have the right to say what they wish. Their being here keeps us apprised of what the other side is thinking (admittedly they don't think too much). Getting them booted from here is as bad as HuffPo and Kos and leaves us no right to complain about those sites. As much as Hal and Wobbie pizz me off, their ridiculous positions and the great responses from all in the threads was/is extremely entertaining. Remember keep your freinds close and your enemies closer. Have a nice day all.

Oh and Hal LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. You're such a putz!

Hal The enemy Collaborator.
What proof of torture do you offer?

You cowardly liars have used up all your credibility on the subject of attrocities.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=5509FEE E-FCFE-4926-8C62-AB8EA4B124FB

Failure to answer this question labels you an Enemy Collaborator.
If you wanted to help defeat America and cause us to loose the Iraq war just like Vietnam;
What else would you do that you are not doing right now?
As the Progressive you are RIGHT NOW, not assuming other form or hypothetical pretense.
Can you think of anything you have not done already?

HalD
And would you please enlighten me as to who these three "individuals" were? Weren't a couple of them masterminds of the whole 9/11 thing? The Blind Sheik etc?

What would you do to them Hal in order to avert any other disasters? Would you talk nice to them like Obama would with Irans nutcase? Or would you simply clean up after the next attack?

bobbit
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 4:56 PM EST Subject: And Hal...
I am unhappy that I have stooped to communicating with you but I must ask these two questions:

I am sure you've heard the expressions "an eye for an eye" and "fight fire with fire". Do you disagree with these concepts?"

Not as long as they work but remember who said ONLY apply that rule would led to a country od blind toothless folks. My point is what works and accomplishes the goal - torture does not sometimes terror does

"...Since you are against the torturing of "innocents" when Wesley Clarke was bombing civilians from 25,000 (likely on Bubba's orders) were crying about the torture they were going through then? "

I am against torturing guilty also. What does it accomplish? Only the deperate and the frightened use torture. Getting the US to publicly admit to torturing was a MAJOR victory for Osama and Al Q. I can understand your wanting to expand the definition of torture but aerial bombing comes under destruction and terror not torture

Man of faith and autonomous man…


‘If "God" is indeed real, I wish he'd make himself known…Man is the only power that can save and redeem.’ –TH classic


This is the view of autonomous man. Blinded to the revelations of God and full of pride, his depravity has come to full bloom.

God is revealed in the creation of all things that exists, but this man has suppressed the truth and exchanged it for radical naturalism. All that exists is not created because that would require a Creator.

God has revealed Himself in the person and work of Jesus Christ, but He was crucified by men who were unable to recognize Him. It is no different today. He is rejected by men because they are blinded by the prince of darkness to do his will.

Now this blindness is deceitful for the blind man boasts as if he could see what is unseen. It escapes his notice that his life is but a vapor. All he has and treasures will soon be gone including his body. The memory of him will perish. The unseen reality of the eternal will soon overwhelm him.

Men of faith like Mr. Snow, who are given to see the unseen as through a glass dimly, now realizes the reality that he lived…

‘…though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, works for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal’ [2 Corinthians 4:16-18].

Bobbit: This just gets better and better

halFarkus: "I just think he did it because he panicked and has no moral compass"

Now, that's halFarkus, talking about a "moral compass." Pro baby-killing HALFARKUS actually uses the word "moral." What hypocrisy! But wait, he'll spin like a ferris wheel trying to justify that one... Ha Ha Ha Ha... It will be good... Just watch! :-)

halFarkus: "I am a retired military officer I am not anti war when necessary I am anti stupidity and incompetence"

Okay, now THIS one is a two-fer. He left out the "passed over" and "pencil pushing" parts. So it's a passed over, pencil pushing, retired officer, and not exactly a stellar career.

The other part is... "... anti stupidity and incompetence." Ruh Roh... he's anti halFarkus!

halFarkus: "Torture does not work and AIDS the enemy. Using torture in gross incompetence"

Well, there he goes again.. someone who is grossly incompetent trying to tell someone else what's gross incompetence.

halFarkus: "A lot of folks feared me in my day. The Bush Regime has damaged and badly hurt the US you Faith in Bush the torturer is sadly misplaced."

Okay, the fact is, a lot of folks did fear him in his day. But they feared him because he was totally irrational, and no one knew when he'd go off his nut.

And, about the Bush Administration... hurt NOTHING, most especially the US. Of course, halFarkus has an acute case of BDS, so we know he's pretty much delirious and incapable of clear, intelligent, and cogent thought. BDS does that to people.

hal doofus
so the guy's an idiot. So he posts things that annoys and bothers others. The problem remains there is a tight little group who are mostly all friends who strongly attack any that their little club doesn't approve. Perhaps this little group needs to get their act together. Instead of belittling poor doofus, let him post his ravings and let others interpret what he is trying to say.

That this little group has decided they are the ones who should have final say over who has the right to be here seems prresumtuous, esp in light of their intollerance of everything that doesn't go along with their group think


HalD
Then let's agree to disagree. I do not think Bush lost his moral compass at all. If Chicago went up in a mushroom cloud (sorry Chitown I keep picking Chicago) because he didnt do anything to try to discover other plots in addition to millions of Americans being dead people like you would rip his skin off. Heck he already is villified for not seeing the future based on the very general PDB. Libs are forever tering him up over things he did not do before 9/11 that they won't let him do after. Though it is a sad state of affairs for sure I would have done the same to save lives. The problem now is that nukes may possibly be involved next time around and that leaves so little room for error. Bush is not everything you and yours say he is - he is just a human as are we all - and humans are not perfect especially when they do not have all of the information. That being said I just don't care what happens to the savages because they don't care that I do anything but convert or die.

Hey dave: Thanks for sharing.
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bobbit: WELL SAID! Excellent. Thank you.
.

Anne
"Yet she serves LOL ask anyone you know the name LOL"

What? The name of the FDNY? Don't need to. I lived in NYC, so I DO know the name. "

That was my mistake I said yet my daughter-in-law still serves and you know her last name sorry if I confused you

", Scranton is still in the twilight zone of the 1930's. It's depressing and depressed so much that it makes Camden look like the Main Line. You bet it's an embarrassing place to live. "

Actually it isn't like that at all but it was maybe 20 years ago. The city is now all arty and happy. Maybe you should come see for yourself you will like it most folk do

bobbit
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 5:27 PM EST HalD
And would you please enlighten ...The Blind Sheik etc?"

Yes they were the ones he "admitted to torturing

"What would you do to them Hal in order to avert any other disasters?"

Interrogate them until no information was left and then lock them away where the sun don't shine - forgotten. No myrterdom for them. FYI the greatest succeeses of the Bush Regime did not use torture NYT just oute4d one interrogator

"ould you talk nice to them like Obama would with Irans nutcase? Or would you simply clean up after the next attack? "

False choice. I would talk to them like Ronnie did to them and the Soviets and Obama wants to. ALWAYS know your enemy

Dave
If you are not happy here you can go back to CPUSA.org where you belong.

Hal comes here because more people read his posts on TH than his blog at HufPo.
Hal is a pathetic nothing with an insane compulsion to be something.
An obese ugly alcoholic who allows himself to be used by Huffington Post just to gain notice.
His conceit combined with his insane compulsion to be noticed has already earned him the disgust of Conservatives.
While claiming to have dwellings and interests in other Nations, he constantly whines and complains about everything America does. He wants us to notice him, even if he has to earn our contempt to do it!

Hal The enemy Collaborator.
Always know your enemy?
We know America's enemies Hal.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE ENEMIES OF AMERICA!

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Failure to answer this question labels you an Enemy Collaborator.
If you wanted to help defeat America and cause us to loose the Iraq war just like Vietnam;
What else would you do that you are not doing right now?
As the Progressive you are RIGHT NOW, not assuming other form or hypothetical pretense.
Can you think of anything you have not done already?

bobbit
Just so you have Robert's resume;

Wobbie tells us he is a Captain in the U.S. Navy, an active duty combat pilot flying daily patrols over Iraq,

And he does not know Ordinance Color Codes.
And he can't describe a Division Gunnery Efficiency Pennant.
And he can't describe a Division Engineering Efficiency Pennant.
And he can't tell you what a BlackBaller is.
And he can't tell you what it signals when a ship hoists a single red dovetail pennant.
And he can't tell you the ransom paid by a Carrier for returning a downed pilot.
And he claims to be one of the men who held the "Halp us Jon Cary" sign.
And he claims to be a Border Patrol pilot.
And he claims to be an Airline Captain.
And he claims to be a Navy test pilot.
And he claims to be a civilian test pilot.
And he claims to be an FAA Flight Examiner.
And he claims to be a Republican and also a delegate to the Democrat convention.
And he claims to be a College Professor making psychiatric evaluations of our posts here at TH.
And wally discovered Wobbie does not know how to fly an airplane.
And he claims to be an advisor to our Admirals.
And he claims to be a Mid East Consultant.
And he claims to have been a Vice Cop.
And he claims to have attended the U.S. Marshal's course.
And he claims to have graduated the FBI Acadamy.
And he claims The U.S. Congress passed a Bill just so he could be both a Navy Officer & a "Peace Officer".
And he claims the Russians were so impressed they let him take their latest military craft for a spin at an Air Show.
And I can't get Wobbie to tell me if that Russian airplane has a slot for quarters like the plane he flies in front of Wal*Mart.

bobbit
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 5:59 PM EST Subject: HalD
Then let's agree to disagree. I do not think Bush lost his moral compass at all."

OK thank you fopr your time

"If Chicago went up in a mushroom cloud (sorry Chitown ..Heck he already is villified for not seeing the future based on the very general PDB. "

Hey I am not one of those we got backed because Bush was new. Responsibility for the attack rests on Clinton and Bush. Bush had my full support right up to his promise of aid and rebuilding for Afghanistan that would dwarf the Marshall Plan - good stuff. But then he went off the rails invading Iraq etc

"Libs are forever tering him up over things he did not do before 9/11 that they won't let him do after. Though it is a sad state of affairs for sure I would have done the same to save lives. "

That is the problem though it sounds logical but when you look at it and know the history etc it makes little or no sense. We professional knew that the Bush Regime would not listen to them

"The problem now is that nukes may possibly be involved next time around and that leaves so little room for error."

Neither did the Cold War etc the danger is real but Bush was led up the wrong path

"Bush is not everything you and yours say he is - he is just a human as are we all - and humans are not perfect especially when they do not have all of the information."

True BUT Bush did have the information on torture he knew. That is why I say he is guilty of crimes against humanity for the torture and deaths under "enhanced" interrogation. War crimes? I suspect not. Iraq was a blunder of massive and historic proportions but being incompetent usually is not a crime

myopine
posting intolerance of those who disagree with you, shows you have a problem with other. I never defended doofus but trying to force others to go elsewhere is a liberal trait. Just as the left wants the fairness doctrine you only want those who think like you to post their comments about various articles.

Since this is still America it remains a person right to display their idiocy and that includes you as well as the doofus

Well Bobbit, All I can say
to your Post #152, @5:19 is you're welcome to your opinion.

What happened to "Wobbie" was of his own doing because he managed to pi$$ off EVERY ONE of the moderators at TH as well as MOST of the members with his arrogance and contempt for the forum rules, as well as the majority of the posters here.

Yet as you can see from his post #166, @6:54 PM TODAY(at least until the moderaters delete it in the morning), he still refuses to follow the rules of this forum and leave.

And that doesn't even count my VERY PERSONAL reasons(almost causing the death of my son in a combat zone) for wanting him gone. Which I won't go into detail on(here) for the five thousandth time.
But just watch his next few posts, I'm sure he'll make that perfectly clear.

As for Hal Doofus, I don't care if he stays or goes. He's irrelevant to me.
I flag his posts because they're usually incoherent and pointless, not to mention full of the usual BDS afflicted garbage.
In short, not worth reading OR replying to.

Hammer29
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 6:56 PM EST Subject: Hal...dont even think about comparing
Boy BHO with Ronaldus the Great..."

LMAO this could be fun LOL

Seriously, how are you? I will be at Walter Reed the nest two days but should be around again Wed

Hal The enemy Collaborator.
So you think we need to have war related trials?
Is discouraging military enlistment and attacking recruiting centers during war time giving aid to our enemy?
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U.S Constitution, Article III, Sect. 3
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainer of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attained.

Wobie Wonder Wabbit!
You are the sociopathic liar who makes things up for no reason.
Ragnar has some more of your lies I did not list.

You must be a very pathetic thing without real existence if you have to fantacise your life.
Marine's dad & I and most of us here at TH do pity you.

There you have it Bobbit
IT TOOK WOBBIE LESS THAN FOUR MINUTES TO PROVE MY POINT.

He almost gets my son killed, then publicly acts as if it's no big deal, and/or makes jokes about it.

I wonder how he'd feel if I deliberately did something that almost got one of his daughters killed, then made light of it?

This is just a shot in the dark, but I'm guessing he'd be pretty damned PO'd about it.

Wouldn't you?

Hammer29, aka...
Robert of 1,000 names writes (sort of):

"Jeff's Dad...LOL what a hoot.that is the funniest post yet...particularly when you go talking about " a combat death"...LOL .what a loser you and your fake son are..."
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And yet, it will be Robert's comments which will be cleared from these threads tomorrow morning...

Can anyone imagine a "real" US Military officer who, upon being banned from a site, continues to ignore the moderators' requests and endlessly returns?

In all likelihood, a real military man would be too embarrassed.

Hal/Wobbie
Wow. Did you just switch to one of your alter egos Hal? I asked you a question and Wobbie answers. Curious. I often read you were the same now I see it is true.

The difference with "Ronnie" and George is this: Bush was attacked and Reagan was not. Therefore Ron could talk as long as no offensive actions were taken by USSR. Are you telling me that if USSR had disregarded MAD that Reagan would not have smashed them back? I believe Reagan's initial blow would have been more forceful and truly have been "Shock& Awe". As usual you show your ignorance of true conservatism.

Regarding the eye for an eye and fire with fire expressions. How appropos of you to call them stupid - who would know stupid better than you?. Tell me Wobbie, if someone sucker punches you in the gut (AQ) are you to kiss them on the cheek in return? And wouldn't you be quite wary of any others showing signs they'd like to hurt you (Saddam)? If not you'd better manup Navyboy. LOL.

What a joke.


MarinesDad
I see what you mean Sir. I hope I did not cause any raising of blood pressure with my statement. Even though I have been reading posts here for years somehow I've missed all of that. I knew he was an idiot but I never thought he was dangerous.

As a proud father I know exactly what you mean about my children. It would be bad for the perp.

I stand corrected.

Much like I feel about what should be done with captive terrorists - do what you will with him.

The insignificant scumbag deserves whatever he gets.

My apologies.

dave

The problem is not that Happy Hal is an idiot. The problem is that Happy Hal posts the same inane BDS rantings no matter what the subject is, and just keeps spouting the same BS.

It gets tiring. How many times does he need to say the same crap over and over before we tell him what an idiot he is and to STFU?

Anne
WOW. Even though I've been reading these two schmoes for two years as they injected their drivel I had no idea who they really are. I've read Hal's "bio" on HuffPo but I don't usually have time to research anti-American BDS infected rejects. Perhaps I need to do more of that.

Thta's what I get for opening my big mouth about something I know nothing about. Sorry about that.

How's long this been going on anyway?

Hey Hammer
I know little about the military as well. But I know enough to know they'd never take a puzzy@ like you.

Wobbie Fantasy Wabbit.
YOU are the pathetic thing without a life who has to fantacise fictional lives.

You are so simple minded you can't even make up your mind as to which fantasy you want to fabricate.

It is a pity.
The asylum should not let you use a computer.
You just keep making a fool of yourself.

bob c
I know exactly what you mean but it seems better to ignore the tool than to give him what he wants and that is just more attention. He seems to thrive on getting others riled up.

The doofus will never admit defeat, will never go away. He is a paid troll from huffpuff and it seems he is getting paid just to annoy.

As others have suggested why respond and give him more ammunition. When he arouses another person's anger, the doofus wins. Why give him the satisfaction he craves?

bobbit
Wobbie is not a "Navy boy"
Wobbie in real life has never been in the Navy.
He claims to be a Captain.
You don't get to be a Navy Officer of any sort without knowing diddly squat about ships. The Navy has tests for EVER classification.
Wobbie could not pass the tests to be a Seaman 3rd class.
Wobbie is a genuine 100% FAKE!

dave
We have years of experience dealing with this problem.

Your suggestion has already been tried on HalD AND on Robert AND on Sophie, AND on TR.
It backfires!

The only tactic that works is to use them for punching bags.

Don't worry about it Bobbit
Neither of those two clowns is worth getting upset about. That's why I usually ignore them both.

BTW, I checked your blog. You haven't written anything there in quite a while.

bobbit
"...Wow. Did you just switch to one of your alter egos Hal? I asked you a question and Wobbie answers. Curious. I often read you were the same now I see it is true."

LMAO not quite. I am packing and getting ready to hit the road at oh dark thirty so only popping in and out

"The difference with "Ronnie" and George is this: Bush was attacked and Reagan was not. "

No??? all those marine dead meant nothing??? Ronnie was what you folks would call a RINO Bush can't hold a candle to Ronnie or even his Dad. The Bush is another Carter and not much else

"...Regarding the eye for an eye and fire with fire expressions. How appropos of you to call them stupid - who would know stupid better than you?. "

Not my answer LOL but Robert was correct

Tell me Wobbie, if someone sucker punches you in the gut (AQ) are you to kiss them on the cheek in return? And wouldn't you be quite wary of any others showing signs they'd like to hurt you (Saddam)? If not you'd better manup Navyboy. LOL."

LOL Never had any trouble taking care of myself. If you put down the guy that sucker punched you hard and fast enough - no one will bother you for a long time

My Opine et al.
Well I knew he was the little wannabe walmart plane flying naval captain impersonating puke. However I had never seen the entire litany of disgust from him. I always figured him to be a druggie with a mental disorder. As the little baby in the commercials say about the clown he’d rented “I really underestimated the creepiness factor” of he and Hal.

Hal and Robert you guys suk.

Marines Dad
I haven't had the time to blog for quite a while. I am usually two days behind reading columns and comments. That's why I am a non-entity here even though I am on the site numerous times every day on average. It's obviously better to stay on the current ones and just let those missed ones go.

All in all though Hal and Robert suk.

Hal The enemy Collaborator.
You never had trouble taking care of yourself?
That is not the way Willi And Blackbird tell it.
They say you ran crying to the Base Commander when a soldier called you out.

Failure to answer this question labels you an Enemy Collaborator.
If you wanted to help defeat America and cause us to loose the Iraq war just like Vietnam;
What else would you do that you are not doing right now?
As the Progressive you are RIGHT NOW, not assuming other form or hypothetical pretense.
Can you think of anything you have not done already?

bobbit
I am real and use my real name and people here know where I live. Hexk, Ann just insulted all the citizens because she is angry with me LOL

MyOpine
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 8:49 PM EST Subject: Hal The enemy Collaborator.
You never had trouble taking care of yourself?
That is not the way Willi And Blackbird tell it.
They say you ran crying to the Base Commander when a soldier called you out."

Fiction they also say I am a ground pounder or desk polisher too LMAO Just proves how fake they really are

Robert
What kind of Pics?

Hal The enemy Collaborator.
Guys say you are a "Garritrooper".
And you run from fights.
And you are a brown nosed politician.
You mean I should believe you instead of them?
I have caught you flat footed in lies Hal.

On the subject of your lies.
Were you in the NRA at the same time as JFK?
You do know both FDR & JFK were NRA Life Members don't you?

Hammer29
It has and the complaints are WAY down. The commander now has the message that his wheel better squeack if he needs resources. The other two were just there dismantling the place with typical neo-con distain for the troops. The cost over run is now approaching a BILLION for the new WR at Bethesda and they are not yet 35% design complete. Skelton did the right thing with language freezing the DC area BRAC medical projects. It is classic Bush Regime incompetence along with Chu's usual backstabbing

MyOpine
"Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 9:13 PM EST Subject: Hal The enemy Collaborator.
Guys say you are a "Garritrooper".
And you run from fights.
And you are a brown nosed politician.
You mean I should believe you instead of them?"

It matters not but hey I use my real name hard to make it much easier for you. Heck folks have even told people here where I work and what I do. But hey you want to believe them....


"I have caught you flat footed in lies Hal."

NEVER old timer never

"On the subject of your lies.
Were you in the NRA at the same time as JFK?
You do know both FDR & JFK were NRA Life Members don't you"

Hmmm I think it may have been then. I joined after taking a safety course in the BSA (I am an eagle scout you know). It was a sane organization back then. Well actually so were the scouts

Hal The Communist LIAR!
I knew you were due for a BDS attack.
Why is it that you never have a harsh word to say about the anti-American Communists who Demonstrate to annoy patients and visitors at Walter Reed on Fridays?
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/ 200601/NAT20060120a.html

Is it because you work for the same boss?
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MyOpine
Perhaps because I have never seen them? But I do wish the support the troop folks would stop tying up traffic

MyOpine
Very old LOL
I am not necessarily anti war I am anti incompetence

Hal The Communist LIAR!
YOU ARE A LIAR HAL!
The NRA has not changed policy in the FIFTY YEARS (50) that I have been a member.
If you had ever been an NRA member you would know that.
If you had ever read an issue of the Rifleman you would know the NRA is NOT A POLITICAL ORGANIZATION!

You bunch of stupid Communist fools attacked gun owners to appease a hand full of Gunophobes.
Still the NRA is only interested in firearms issues. They do not pursue or print political scandal.
YOU ARE A LIAR HAL!

And if you approve of what the Democrats are trying to do to the Boy Scouts, YOU ARE A PERVERT too!
And I think you are lying about having been a Boy Scout.
Are you a member of NAMBLA Hal?
You take their s