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Sunday, May 18, 2008
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain's Marital Woes
by Kevin McCullough
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During the past eight years John McCain's indifference to the social conservative issues ranged at times from mere annoyance to seeming overt hostility. This is no where more true than on the issue of marriage specifically. On two historic occasions when his party, his nation, and his constituency needed the Maverick to show a little toughness, the admirable war hero ran a little appeasement campaign of his own.

He like so many soft-spined Republicans grew weak-kneed and fearful that if they were to do the right thing, they might become the next Rick Santorum, target number one, and possibly lose their precious tenure in the United States Senate.

On the Constitutional Amendment to Protect Marriage however his cowardice was particularly hurtful given the state of where the issue was at that time and how it was working it's way through court systems.

Four years ago the case for California was just beginning. McCain was asleep when the voters of California spoke loudly that they did not wish to see marriage be redefined to include whatever discriminatory unions some lobbyist group might be able to get included. With the passage of the citizens' initiative and the curious way the case leap-frogged the California judicial system one would think McCain might have at least figured out that if he just took the traditional view of the matter he'd have 61% of California voters on his side. And it doesn't seem to have changed all that much - a Sacramento television station ran a rapid response poll immediately following last week's decision and found that 63% of their sample was opposed to redefining the term of marriage.

Yet on two occasions when asked to give his viewpoint on the sanctity of the term marriage from the floor of the United States Senate - John McCain used the exact same rationale as Ted Kennedy who spoke only moments before him. The McCain/Kennedy position on marriage was: with the Federal DOMA (defense of marriage act) in place, no state will be subjected to the whims of another state's definition of marriage. Never mind the fact that both Kennedy and McCain seem to be ignoring the idea that the voters of states where judges redefined marriage by fiat have been completely oppressed.

Then after voting against the Constitutional Amendment to Protect Marriage - twice - McCain and Kennedy likely went and enjoyed burgers and martini's together. We won't assume who had which.

Yet it wasn't humorous then, and even less so now.

In the three hundred page ruling handed down by the California Supreme Court, four judges decided they were better than, smarter than, and more educated people to make absolute law than - the citizens of California, some several million of which had voted to establish the law defending marriage in that state.

In their bubble of the California Supreme Courthouse they patted each other on the back for being so much more wise than the silly stupid people that live in the state. They likely gloated to themselves all night long as the news coverage quoted their decision to - like Marxist dictators - seize power from the people, their representatives, and their voice. Mysteriously - they found that the Constitution of California dealt with the issue of redefining what marriage is and should have been for centuries. Funny enough it deals with this issue by never mentioning it (or any concept about marriage at all actually.)

Never mind the fact that California law does not deny the right of marriage to any person presently. Never mind the fact that even those who wish to live in non-traditional sexual varieties of relationships could even now with all the basic same arrangements as marriage under current law. This was a perfect opportunity for the California Supremes to shoot God the middle finger, and they wasted no time accomplishing it.

And in reality THAT is what this IS all about. No one is invading the homes of those who practice homosexuality and marching them off to be burned at the stake. Certainly no one is taking them to abandoned soccer stadiums and executing them. The freedoms that those who choose to practice homosexuality enjoy in America are the most liberal on the planet. Yet the fact that they are unable to get the church, state, and fellow citizens to label their sex deeds as moral - seems to grate strongly at the activists that keep the marriage fight alive.

The problem for McCain is that he is sleep walking through his days, with seeming little awareness that a battle is even being waged. He's also more scared of the 2.9% of the population that does practice homosexuality than he is of the 89% of the population that believe it is immoral.

The voters of California now have roughly ten times the amount of signatures needed to get a constitutional plank protecting marriage on the November ballot. There is no residency requirement in California so look for activists from every Human Rights Campaign state office (and other sexually radical organizations) to send people from their states to "marry" in California and return home to test their state's DOMAs.

McCain seems to believe that because there already exists a federal DOMA that no one will be forced to endure a definition of marriage that their faith, conscience, and scripture define as immoral.

No one except the voters in Massachusetts - who because of four judicial tyrants have never been given the right to speak on the issue. And those in California who did speak but were squashed like little bugs by four omniscient black-robes.

All McCain would need to do would be to wake up, see the injustice, and speak to the outrage of the California decision. California state GOP leaders say just the mere emergence of this issue now draws him into a 50/50 chance of possibly winning the state.

With a motivated turn out of pro-family people they might be right. If he looked at the math - he might realize, this issue is not just good for the voters, the nation, and the future. It might help him win.

Then again this is John McCain we're talking about here.

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Kevin McCullough is the nationally syndicated host of "'Xtreme' Radio and columnist based in New York. He blogs at www.muscleheadrevolution.com. His second book "The Kind Of MAN Every Man SHOULD Be" is in stores now.

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Nah, we don't need McRINO

We've already got an initiative qualified for the November ballot that will amend the state constitution to outlaw same-sex marriage.

That takes the issue away from the courts.

McRINO would be an unwelcome Johnny-Come-Lately, cynically trying to hitch his Truth Express or whatever BS name he uses to OUR wagon.

Screw him.

Even California,
not known as conservative or as the most stable constituency has gotten the message that if we want to save our country from failure it is up to us to take it out of the hands of the politicians and agenda driven judges they appoint. Way to go, maybe you will be the shining example this country needs to turn things around. John McCain certainly is not!

The Troll Network...
aWWKK, aWWKK
"Guano away. Here's another Guano...



Ding, dong, gong,
I'm off to use my bong.

Litter/Loiter

Robert
~~~~~~~~~~~~

So wobbie logs off, and then Hal appears for several recaps of wobbie's lunacy.
Think there is a pattern here?

And, then the 'wobbie' network reports to boss, georgie sorry.

Resident of seven different states, simultaneously.
What a jock.
(oops I meant jake (immature male turkey))

BAMAddox
Those "activist judges" in CA who overturned the ban on gay marriage were mostly all republican appointess. 6 out of the 7 judges on the CA Supreme Court were appointed by republican governors, including your plaster saint Ronald Reagan (he appointed Sandra Day O'Conner to the U.S. Supreme Court, yes?)

I LOVE how conservative after conservative governor picks judges, who are labeled ACTIVIST judges in the next decade. You guys keep screwing yourselves, then blaming LIBERALS for your own doing.

McCain the divorced
Obviously doesn't think marriage is that sacred. The whole "till death do us part" means nothing. Like millions of Americans who enter a contract, there is always a way to get out of it. He had that choice and no matter what his intentions were regarding his personal life, I will not judge. I respect his choice and he had the freedom to do so.

Perhaps that is why he voted against the marriage amendment. Why would he want to look like a hypocrite? Smart move on his part and a great record to attract independents and moderates who (unlike the fringe right) do not like get involved in trampling on other Americans civil rights.

I think what upsets the far right so much is not that they really hate McCain, it's that the left doesn't. If liberals REALLY hated him the way they do Bush, he would be admired much more by the (minority) right.

hatred of John McCain
American conservatives of all sorts are displeased to have John McCain as the opposition candidate to Barak Obama because Mr. McCain shares many of Mr. Obama's views on the efficacy of government, and hopes to to make them manifest while preserving the effort in Iraq. Because conservatives see preserving the effort to leave Iraq only when it has a functioning government capable of staving of civil war and collapse, they are willing to cast their votes for McCain, they would be happy, of course, if a lot of Democrats were to like his dance, too, and therefore switch sides in this election. But the truth is that the chance of Democrats and their supporters finally getting socialized medicine, moral equivalency for gays. and disarming Americans is sufficiently great that no Democrat could pass it up--not even a racist could fail to seize this opportunity. The race card will be played after the election---over and over and over again.

False, Nonsensical Hit Piece -- Idiocy
This is a false, nonsensical hit piece by McCullough from the first sentence. John McCain's position is the federalist one: that marriage is an issue that under our constitutional system, is to be left to the states and is not a subject for the national government. There are plenty of conservatives who hold to this constitutional view. To group McCain with Ted Kennedy without discussion of the principled constitutional position that John McCain has consistently taken is nonsense.

As for California, the political process has not ended. The majority spoke before; the majority can again by way fo amendment to the state constitution.

All this is, is yet another piece of idiocy by so called conservatives who foolosihly wish to submarine McCain. I say so called conservatives because the practical effect of such idiocy would be to elect Obama, a left winger who believes in gay marriage, as well as bigger government, socialized medicine, appointing left wing judges ot the federal bench, losing the Iraq War, and appeasement in foreign affairs. McCain is on the opposite side of those issues. I also say so called conservatives because in a time of war with the radical Islamic jihadists, a priority for ttrue conservatives is who should be our Commander in Chief.

I have flesh and blood on the line: my older son is a U.S. Army First Lieutenant who servewd 15 months as an infantry platoon leader and my younger son is a U.S. Marines Second Lieutenant. They need as Commander in Chief someone who knows what he is doing in military matters. That is McCain and only McCain.

To Don Carlson
Your grouping of Obama and McCain is simply not supportable.

John McCain is a pro-life fiscal conservative who served his country as a Navy combat aviator and P.O.W., who has been a fiscal hawk and will cut Government spending, who has been right all along on Iraq and will insist on victory in Iraq, who has been and will be a hawk in foreign policy, who will cut the corporate tax rate to spur business, who accepts the judgment of the majority of American people that law enforcement in immigration must come first and who pledged to the Federalist Society in January 2007 and thereafter (again recently) that he will nominate strict constructionists to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Obama, who is perhaps the most liberal Senator, shares noone of the foregoing with McCain.

ggay marriage.
to undersatnd one reason why the California suprem court voted the way it did try very hard to do twom things.

1. imagine you are a 6 year old black child who has to walk 6 extra blocks to go to a school which even on the outside is more run down and dilapidated then th white shcool close to your home. imagine that if yoy take a bus you are reuired to walk past empty seats in the font of the bus to get to the overcrowded rear of the bus

2 now imagine that you are a gay couple who wish to marrt as opposed to a traditional couple that wish to marry. your application procedures willl be diferent,. you will always be treated as if your marriage while quasi legitimate is still not the same as traditional. it should be. just as ther is no rason to segreggate the first example there is no reason to segregate the second. wht dont people just let them have as much hapiness as we wish the traditional couple and

MCCAIN AND IRQU
NOTonly is mcpain evidently right on Iraaq he is able to see in the future and tell us all about it. he has virtually guaranted that the was will be over by 2013. how dos he know. Obamas loook into the magic crystal ball say 2012. muine says 2011. Where does Mccain get his information? Doe he have any idea how stupid a thing it was to say that.\? What if he starts using his magic powers on other things. Perhaps he could persuade those who gave him the power to predict the future to hurry thing up a little and make it 2010. cna the trops in iraq take his word for the 2013 date and start making advance preparations for moving out. it will save them a lot of thime when the time comes. too bad they didnt tell him the month in 2013. it would have made planning musch easier. pity the poor soldier who is still fighting on Dec. 31st , 2012. he knows that if he can just make it throiugh one more day he will be safe. perhaps that should be their slogan from now on "just make it to 2013." and homw ewe go. what an idiot.

Phil Byler
You saved me a lot of typing this morning. Your last two posts are right on.... saved me the trouble.

Hedging my bets...
Up until a couple of weeks ago, I figured that in spite of his shortcomings, McCain had a good shot at the presidency (I think I said something to the effect that there are not enough aging hippies, idealistic but ignorant college kids and angry black people out there to swing the Electoral COllege to Obama).

Now I'm not so sure.

Between going to speak to La Raza and his total disengagement on the topic at hand here, McCain seems bound and determined to lose this thing. And if that's not enough, I'm sure that Bob Barr will be happy to take some of those conservative voters who might have been willing to hold their noses & vote for McCain. So I guess all bets are out the window on this one.

This election is like watching a Bowl Game between the teams ranked 119 & 120 in the BCS.

Sleeping Senator
Don't think that Senator McCain will wake up all of a sudden and defend marriage. His nap is well planned. He is a far left liberal trying to run as a Republican. You can fool all of the time ...

As a side note to Phil, Senator Obama is the most left senator, no perhaps about it.

PhilB
Tell me Phil, how does someone who advocates a cap and trade energy and environmental policy, supports global warming, advocates a $2500 individual and $5000 tax credit for health insurance, and wants to expand the military, going to cut spending? Unless you've forgotten, earmarks and pork are barely 1% of the federal budget, yet we are running a deficit that is close to 20% of the federal budget? Other than pork, has he actually said what he will cut that would be meaningful. The answer is no. You also note that McCain has the right position on immigration. However, if you listened to his speech to La Raza, you'd also know that he has every intention of creating a path to citizenship for the illegals currently here. He talks about protecting the border now, even though his entire career in Arizona and in the federal government, demonstrates nothing that would indicate that he'll take all the steps necessary to do so. And, as a US Senator today, he could very well introduce and support the legislation necessary to acoomplish this. McCain's position is clearly designed to attract hispanic votes in the fall, while throwing a sop to everyone else. In the end, I can understand your feelings given your families involvement in Iraq - but the world is much larger than Iraq. McCain's manager recently stated that by November, the public won't even recognize that he's in the same party. Independence is fine, but that won't help the GOP down the ticket, as it will continue to blur the lines between the two parties. Bush's "compassionate conservatism" did the same thing. Now, the GOP has lost the house and senate, and will lose more seats in both chambers in the fall. McCain will be a war president, but he will have to rule with compromise - just as Nixon did. The GOP will stay in the wilderness until it can find a way to create a platform that clarifies, rather than blurs, the differences. And McCain will not help in that regard.

McCain's Marital Woes
I have never been impressed with John McCain. He seems like a tired old worn out fossil who is about half way to sinility. His only redemption will be in who he picks as his running mate. I'll predict that if it's a white wash like himself, the Democrats will walts into the White House.

If, however, he picks someone like Newt Gingrich, he just might have a chance. He would be forced to lean rightward but that might just do him some good.

Phil Byler "fiscal hawk"???
McCain just proposed the most opaque and gigantic bureaucracy EVAH! Cap and trade! Wake up pal! Your guy is a big government one-worlder whose best friends are ALL uber liberals. I'd rather get stabbed in the chest by an avowed liberal than get stabbed in the back by a "friend" sailing under false colors... especially since we already KNOW he is a traitor.

all I can say is
YAWN

Pasadena Phil
That says it all.

Hal Donahue writes:
"all I can say is YAWN"
-----

Yep - it's tough to draft anything cogent after sleeping off a long Saturday night binge, eh Hal?

BTW - how's that "recession prediction" working out for you?


Hal
Thats the best thing you have ever said on TH

MCCAIN IS A SELL OUT


.....I have voted a straight Republican Ticket since
Reagan ...but no longer! ...beginning with this
election I will only vote for Conservatives regardless
of their Party Label ...The GOP no longer represents
Conservative causes ...we do not need Democrat Lite
...McCain, even if elected, will destroy the GOP for
decades ...

.....I have reached the point where I cannot vote for
McCain ...I think he is dangerous and needs to be
stopped ...if not at the Convention then by a third
Party candidate like Bob Barr ...the deal breaker for
me was McCain signing on to AGW and supporting Cap &
Trade ...I would rather vote for Hillary than McCain
...

.....If Barr can be a spoiler like Perot and stop
McCain then we can hope that we can get enough
Conservatives into Congress to restrain Obama for four
years ...READ MY BLOG "ONE MAN'S SEARCH FOR A PARTY" .....COLOSSUS

Primus54
"Yep - it's tough to draft anything cogent after sleeping off a long Saturday night binge, eh Hal?"

LOL I love your frightened and timid folks calling people names. Does it work for you?

"BTW - how's that "recession prediction" working out for you?"

You don't think we are in a recession?

jax33
"Thats the best thing you have ever said on TH"

I can see where you might thing that LOL. But really this "gay" thing is so over - people aren't scared of "them" any longer. The only ones who seem real upset are a few of the closet types that come here and protest too much and a lot of "religious" right people who see a fundraising bonnaza

Tough Ad Against McCain!

To baseballdoc
You are delusional to think that there is any possibility of electing conservatives to a congressional majority restrain Obama. Have you seen how in the polls McCain compares with other Republicans????? McCain is electable. A Republican House and/or Senate is not going to happen; the question is how bad it is going to be. If Obama is elected, he will have a Democrat House and Senate to work with and will be able to nominate and see appointed left wing judges to the federal bench.

Why are we seeing what is idiocy on the part of so called conservatives?

Robert
"...the odd thing is that most Americans dont care (interesting story from flight school..the girls and I were talking about the CA ruling and their line was "Dad the only people in flight school who care who is gay and who is straight are the Bible Bangers and they should really care about finishing the program!")

Did you notice there has been no really big "outcry" by the religious right?"

I think I told you about my evangelical focus group during the Casey Campaign? They grilled me unmercifully over every issue but gays. I asked the leader why and her response was: "..everyone has one and my Aunt Molly is nice..." I told the campaign that early on and they wouldn't believe it but a few test runs and it was clear gay was a non issue

"...as Peggy Noonan said the right is dead, they just dont know it."

Oh listen to the whining in here - they know it LOL

He does
manage to shoot himself in the foot over and over. The LaRaza speech is going to be a b.p.raiser for sure. My adopted son is homosexual, and he's against same sex marriage.

Everyone says we can't do anything about activist, anti Constitutional judges until they
retire/die..it seems to me there is a section of the Constitution that says they can be
impeached. Our problem is the cowards we send to D.C and State legislatures, they have the power to remove these non elected dictators and they have refused to do it.

Phil Byler
"...Why are we seeing what is idiocy on the part of so called conservatives?"

I am not certain that they are idiots but they certainly have proven themselves incompetent

Robert
You assume that Bush and conservatives are the same thing, and that McCain, by running away from Bush must also run away from conservatives.

But you're dead wrong. Bush is not a conservative. And that is the issue that plagues the GOP. Bush confused the party and its base and blurred the lines - and this eventually cost him the house and senate. Further, the leadership of the GOP during Bush's time, to include Frist, Delay, Hastert, Boehner and the rest werealso not Cpnservatives. McCain cannot win without separating himself from Bush and this group. That's understood. But his message does not provide a platform for those running at the local level. It simply provides a basis for him to appeal to independents to get himself elected.

McCain's manager commented that by November, the public wont' even know what party he's in. And that says it all.

And this confusion has created an opening for the Democrats, who have recognized that social conservatives are not alwyas fiscal conservatives. So, they're running social conservatives who support using the federal government to solve all of our problems, and picking off one seat after another.

In the end, it's Conservatives who are the issue, it is the policies of those in the GOP who represented themselves as being conservatives - and weren't.

McCain may win - but for Conservatives and the GOP, it will be a pyrric victory. Democratic control in the house and senate will grow, and Conservatives, will be increasingly isolated. They will not, after all, abandon their principals. But they will increasingly abandon the GOP, making it easier for the Democrats to continue to divide and conquer as they are now doing.

To Vito re your 8:28 AM post
Phil Byler is my real name, and what I say about myself is true. I am a supporter of John McCain for a number of reasons that I have stated forthrightly here and elsewhere. I don't consider myself a shill.

What I expect you to do is to use whatever intelligence you have, which you are not doing. You cite only one past issue that was an attempt to reduce the influence of special interests in politics and that is and will be in the hands of the courts. You do not deal with such current issues affecting the future as foreign policy, the war in Iraq, controlling spending, nomination of strict constructionist judges, cutting the corporate tax rate to spur business investment, health care and so on. You don't deal with those subjects because McCain is obviously conservative on those issues. And you don't deal with the fact that Obama is the most liberal Senator in the U.S. Senate. So what are you goiing to do? Aid and abet the election of someone in Obama who is an anti-military socialist, will increase government spending and thus taxes, accept defeat in Iraq, pursue appeasement policies in foreign affairs, seek outright amnesty in immigration, promote pro-abortion policies and nominate left wing judges to the federal bench? If so, I call it idiocy.

To Redlac re your 9:28 AM post
Wasn't the same koind of question posed to none other than Ronald Reagan? I think he would have had a hunorous way of dealing with your question.

One answer to your question is to cut pork barrel and earmark spending. Anotrher answer is that the health care deductions are part of a package for health care that relies as much as possible on the market and that is intended to arrest what is an ever larger and more expensive role of Government in health care.

Why is Chuckles avoiding the questions?

Could it be that he knows that we've got him cornered?

There is no question that he IS either...

1. Impersonating a Naval Officer!
or
2. Violating the UCMJ!


So, which one IS IT, Chuckles????


Phil Byler
I appreciate your posts, especially post 10. Please know, and tell your sons, that the service of your sons in our military is deeply appreciated by me and my family. We are in a time of war; a war that defies patterns used in other wars in which we have engaged. I trust John McCain as Commander in Chief. To consider Clinton or Obama in that position is unconscionable.

Bill Clinton once said, 'We are united in our diversity.' Diversity has never united any people. It is the acceptance of common causes and recognition of common good that unites a country.

Again, my best to your sons, Sir.

King Liberal
"...The GOP has nobody who can confront this issue in a ratonal way as all their benchstrength comes from hateful ministers on the far right who like to say the kind of things that oh like Hagee said. "

The issue is over they know it. The people have decided. So the hateful can rattle bones all they want very few are listening.

McCain Is A Democrat Mole
McCain is and always has been a Democrat. That is the reason he "reaches across the aisle" so much or that he "sticks his thumb in his party's eye" or is such a "maverick". He was elevated to the Republican nominee by a Democratic version of Limbaugh's "Operation Caos" which saw all the conservative choices eliminated. Perhaps at the outset of his political career he was approached by the 'smoke filled backroom' boys and instructed to become a "Republican" and if he did so he would be rewarded at a later date. So he is a Democrat running as a Republican. Why else would he go to such great lengths to alienate the conservative base?

Robert
Well said but is the R party done? I hope not

HalD
When will your Democratic leaders live up to all of the pandering promises they made and are making to win? Only when that happens will the Republican Party be 'done', roasted or toasted.

You prove the Peter Principle each time you post here. I assume that is why you do not post regularly on Huffington. You are here trying to find something else to be against. The only ideas you believe in are those contrary to any idea you perceive as being conservative. It spreads your meager intelligence too thinly. Go back to Huffington and attempt a post that will attract some interest and commentary. You are held in low regard there, too. A true liberal at least has some ideas they believe in, not just have opinions against. Like the man without a country, you are a man without an original thought process.

Read the California Judge's Arrogance
Check this out:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gay18-2008may18,0,4 272300.story

This judge is a very arrogant individual. He made this ruling up re gay marriage in California. Not that I care, frankly what those folks do in their bedroom -- my concern though is that judges follow the law and if you think McCain is really going to appoint conservative judges, I can sell you some swampland here in Florida.

Vote Libertarian, they still have principles and really -- do you want a dishonest RINO in office, or would you rather have Obama who can get credit for wrecking the country. McCain is the worst . . .

Redlac
McCain's manager commented that by November, the public wont' even know what party he's in. And that says it all.

Can you tell me where you saw that?

RE: Will, Reply # 6
Where in my comment did I mention "liberal" judges or appointees? Where did I mention democrat or replublican?
I don't care who appoints the activist judge, I care that he or she has overstepped his authority and overruled the will of the people.
Conservatives are obviously more objective, as I knew the facts you pointed out and am proud to disagree with the judges' decision.
I call it like I see it regardless of the political party.
John McCain calls himself a conservative replublican and I will never vote for him.

King Liberal
Now there's entitlement at its height just in one moniker. To be the 'king' of the liberals suggests that liberals are of one thought and marching in unison. Thank you for confirming that being stupid is confined to a single religious, social, and fiscal group.

As for conservatives, they come from many different thoughts. Some are religious conservatives, some are social conservatives, some are fiscal conservatives, and some combine the different thoughts in different ways. You are not attacking one group of people there. We are people who have come together for the good of the country and take responsibility for keeping it a viable country.

We don't all listen to conservative talk radio. Some of us, like myself, think Sean Hannity is an idiot who only looks smart when compared to the idiot Colmes, with whom Hannity shares a Fox program.

We have varied backgrounds, socially, financially and in education. But, we all have common sense.

King Liberal? King of the thought pattern that has given us Robert Byrd? Ted Kennedy? Barack Obama? You can only afford liberal thoughts because you know the conservatives in this country will always take care of the country to allow you to act an idiot.

Here Comes The Judge
I object to Roes vs Wade.

I object to current evaluation of 'definition' of Amendment 2.

I object to application of Amendment 1 to voices of non-citizens.

I object to promotional overkill. Soap operas, advertising, etc. I'm straight but I've noticed the soaps seem dominated by male couples. Yuck. Anyway, there's nothing like overkill to send a cause down the tubes.

P.S. Obama's a Master of Overkill

King Lemmur
I would suggest you take a writing course. I can only hope that your speaking skills are better than your written word.

If the GOP members of Congress had said marriage was a federal matter, you would have whined about that, too, even though I realize your desire for Big Brother to run everything is intense.

At some point in time you may want to reconsider your Big Brother idea of a federal government because you might just wind up with a Big Brother of my mindset.

When are your feckless leaders going to try to live up to their promises? Or, have you caught on by now that Democrats only promise until the votes are cast?

GWB a tyrannt in a democratic republic in which Congress is controlled by Nitwit Nancy and Howling Harry? That's rich! Rich is subhuman stupidity, that is.

Alisa53-Here's the Source
Where the GOP is Headed-Casey(RealClearPolitics).
Will John McCain's road to 'moderation' help Republicans overall this fall? To answer that, I'll just relay something that Fox News' Carl Cameron said in his report from 5/13/08 on Brit Hume's show about McCain's global warming tour. Cameron quoted a McCain aide on the candidate's plan to distance himself from the GOP and President Bush by Election Day:

...By the time the November elections come around, it'll be hard to tell that they were even in the same party.


Seeing as this statement was made in the context of the Senator's climate change tour, it's safe to assume that McCain isn't talking about moving the image of the party to the right. How that will serve to help other Republicans this fall escapes me, unless McCain's real plan is to remake the party in the image of himself and former politicians like former Rhode Island Senator Lincoln Chafee and former New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman.

McCain will be all over the map this fall - conservative on some important issues like the war and judges, but liberal on other issues such as the global warming, immigration, and perhaps even taxes. The past few years has shown that such vacillation - such an inability to enunciate a clear set of conservative governing principles across the policy spectrum - might work for an individual GOP candidate here and there, but represents disaster for the overall political party.

John McCain might win this crucially important Presidential election, since the alternative would be disastrous for the United States and the world. But the message so far from McCain to down-ballot Republicans this fall is clear: "Don't expect any help from me, unless you are prepared to repudiate much of your conservative beliefs".

That's not the way for the GOP to rebuild the party.

Too Zedsmom .
Zedsmon , King Liberal is no more than your Typical SOCIALIST MARXIST LIBERAL .
He'S A Black angry Jerk off at white folks (really welfare loving we own them in most of his emails ) . Don't take him serious. He's sort a like Rev Wright , Jesse Jackson ,Malcolm X , Al Sharpton , NAACP and the Black everything WE WHITES OWE THEM .
He is a part of Whites must be Guilty Movement .
Don't take him serious .

zedsmom
Sigh, OK I guess. I will have to write more for Huffington just to keep you happy. They have been asking for more. How about I write about Skelton and Murtha saving military healthcare and helping congress keep their promises to the military?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/0 5/15/AR2008051503747.html?referrer=emailarticle

You might even want to support this effort.

ReCon-USMC
I don't take a buffoon like that seriously. He keeps showing up here; so, I take him on from time to time.

I think King Loon is a devout supporter of Robert Byrd. It may make him hate the skin he is in but he worships that Dem icon.

My godfather was a Marine on Iwo Jima. He was 19 years old, injured 3 times in battle and went back into battle 3 times. (When I say injured, I do not refer to simpleton 'soldiers' like Kerry who injure themselves throwing grenades into a barrel of rice.) I ever admire the Marines, and you, too, Sir. Many thanks.


HalD
I am not only for 'saving military healthcare', I am for improving military healthcare and housing during healthcare. You see, it is not just a liberal notion. Just as a blind hog can find an acorn now and then, John Murtha can do the proper thing on rare occasion. Why don't you stay on Congress to get off its dead center duff for our military? I would loudly applaud you for that if you will keep focused on helping the military instead of making it a partisan argument. I will contact my Senators and Congressmen if, on your series of posts on Huffington, you provide bill numbers and other pertinent information. Our military risks life and limb for us. Nothing is too good in care for them in my thinking.

Redlac
The Party is changed on the local level and going up. It is not trickle down economics. It is more akin to building a house with laying the foundation. Attacking the guy at the top only fuels apathy at the local level. This cycle McCain is at the top. Get over it. Whatever complaints you have will only be addressed by changing and impacting what you can, not publicly whining ad nauseum. Contact your state legislators. Contact your Congressmen and Senators. Make a difference and stop making a nuisance of yourself. Whining and moaning is what the liberals do, even in winning.

Too Zedsmom .
Zedsmom don't be fooled by HAL .He is yet another far left Socialist Pacifist Anti American jerk ... just like King Libearl and ROBERT .
99.9 % OF ALL MARINES HATE MURTHA .
ME ..6 YEARS AND TWO TOURS IN NAM .
I GAVE BIG MONEY TO HELP MARINES THAT HAD TO GO TO COURT TO NOT BE FOUND GUILTY ON MURTHA'S CHARGES AGAINST MARINES IN COMBAT AND HE didn't know ONE DETAIL ABOUT THAT FIRE FIGHT AND THE INFO CAME FROM A TERRORIST OVER AL JAZERRA .
Murtha IS a terrible JOKE TO HONORABLE MARINES .
MURTHA TO THE REAL MARINE CORP IS WHAT JOHN KERRY MEANS TO THE REAL NAVY ..ENOUGH SAID !

Robert/Phil
Robert. Your points merely point out that non-conservatives failing to follow conservative principals damaged the GOP and conservatives. Fiscal conservatives walked away 3 years ago from Bush. McCain, whose positions are a combination of democratic and republican positions cannot re-establish the role of conservatives in the base by adopting democratic positions. Which is the point. The problem is not conservative principals - its a failure to follow them.

And Phil, the $42 B in earmarks won't make a dent in the current $500 B deficit. Further, McCain's cap and trade will add $100 B to $200 B, expanding the military will add another $100 B or so, and the "so-called"market solution of a $2500 individual and $5000 family tax credit will cut revenue by over $100 B. And, it will do nothing to avoid the continued pressure on health care as it will put, at most, an average of $600 to $700 in the consumer's pocket - and that buys nothing these days on the health care market. Add in rising entitlements, about which he says nothing, and the concept of fiscal responsibility from all of these candidates, including McCain, is pure political pandering. Do you understand, after all, how absurd it is to promote another $200 B to $300 B in new spending, cut your revenues by $100 B, have $500 B in going deficits, and then call yourself - and that's all of these fools - a fiscal conervative?

Now I understand your feelings. Obama is not someone you want running the US. The problem is, McCain is not someone I want running the Republican party. And so we have it.

ReCon-USMC
Murtha doesn't fool me, Sir. That's why I said even a blind hog can find an acorn now and then. Murtha shows less dignity than those who skipped to Canada to avoid the draft. Never think I admire him. I think he is a slumping, fat, sub-human; and, I think that on a day when I view him fondly.

Once a Marine, always a Marine, unless you are the ilk of Jeremiah Wright. There are some grave exceptions like him out there, Murtha included.

I must leave the computer to do some things around my home. I look forward to chatting with you another day, Sir. Never forget my appreciation of you and our military.

zedsmom
"I am not only for 'saving military healthcare', I am for improving military healthcare and housing during healthcare. You see, it is not just a liberal notion."

I know that but often,,,,

" Just as a blind hog can find an acorn now and then, John Murtha can do the proper thing on rare occasion."

LOL He often does the proper thing in my book but that is for another day. Murtha is constantly at WR and they no him well. No publicity ever... You may not agree with how he shows it but he cares and always has...

"Why don't you stay on Congress to get off its dead center duff for our military? I would loudly applaud you for that if you will keep focused on helping the military instead of making it a partisan argument."

Trust me I do stay on congress and everyone of my congressional critters know me. But sadly partisan it is when things like the new GI bill are opposed on the grounds of cost and retention not on the grounds of what is right and how else can we make it work. I hope the R leadership doesn't fight the HASC bill but we shall see.

" I will contact my Senators and Congressmen if, on your series of posts on Huffington, you provide bill numbers and other pertinent information."

Deal thank you.

"Our military risks life and limb for us. Nothing is too good in care for them in my thinking. "

See we agree on something

Zedsmom
Perhaps you've forgotten. This isn't a Republican web site. It's a conservative web site. You contact your congressman. Perhaps its what you've been doing for the last 8 years. Sorry to say - it didn't work. And it didn't work, apparently, because they weren't listening - were they?

Let's be blunt. They haven't listened for years now to Conservatives, particularly fiscal conservatives. And now, many have written them off. And why not. The GOP's spending put them to the left of the Democrats. So, if you've conned yourself into believing that supporting a group who have become more socialistic than the democrats as the solution to all of your problems - have at it.

The rest of us are beginning to look for other options.

ReCon-USMC
"...Zedsmom don't be fooled by HAL .He is yet another far left Socialist Pacifist Anti American jerk ... just like King Libearl and ROBERT ."

20 years of active military service and you call me a "Pacifist" LMAO. That makes as much sense as the other namecalling.

"99.9 % OF ALL MARINES HATE MURTHA .
ME ..6 YEARS AND TWO TOURS IN NAM . "

How long ago was that guy? You are telling a flat lie. I wonder why they keep contacting him then for help or to say thanks? He was an officer and wounded. What were you? Was Vietnam the last good thing that you did that you seem so obcessed by it?

"I GAVE BIG MONEY TO HELP MARINES THAT HAD TO GO TO COURT TO NOT BE FOUND GUILTY ON MURTHA'S CHARGES AGAINST MARINES IN COMBAT AND HE didn't know ONE DETAIL ABOUT THAT FIRE FIGHT AND THE INFO CAME FROM A TERRORIST OVER AL JAZERRA . "

Really? You know Murtha and he told you that he took action because of Al Jazerra? I think he used too harsh language but his point was not what they did but that they were being stretched too far; I suspect that he had far more information. Unless you gave at least five figures you didn't give big money by the way. Bottomline all lies.

"Murtha IS a terrible JOKE TO HONORABLE MARINES . "

and I wager psuedo patriots like yourself worship at the alter of disgraced Ollie North who betrayed his uniform and the constitution. The USMC is well rid of you. You call a combat wounded marine colonel a "terrible joke"? Typical of cardboard patriots like you

"MURTHA TO THE REAL MARINE CORP IS WHAT JOHN KERRY MEANS TO THE REAL NAVY ..ENOUGH SAID ! "

Officers wounded in combat and attacked by psuedo patriots for standing up and partaking in the political process.

PHIL BYLER

.....Yes you are right ...I wrote that when I still had hope for the Republican Party ...

.....Read my blog "ONE MAN'S SEARCH FOR A PARTY" ...

.....COLOSSUS

Redlac
"..rest of us are beginning to look for other options. "

Like? It sounds as if Zedsmom is at least in the political process are you? I hear a lot of nonsense here but seldom is there any action beyond phone cals and e-mails and those are often signed with that famous conservative name, anonamous

Not if it involves the two parties.
Not in the process if it involves the two major parties - if that's what you're talking about. Remember, the grass roots built the Reagan coalition. The GOP's actions tossed out the fiscal conservatives. We certainly aren't going to go back to the grass roots to start all over - given that its much too late for that. A budget that increased from $1.88 trillion in 2000 to $3.2 trillion in 2009, or by 80%, can never be undone. By buying into the Democrats agenda on spending and expanded government - the GOP put an end to that portion of the vision Reagan had - and sold. McCain will adopt the Democrats cap and trade, he will expand the military, he'll buy into tax rebates for health, and when that isn't enough, into something else as well. He, and both parties, will avoid dealing with the dollar because to do so would force the fed to raise interest rates, and recessions aren't popular. They will avoid entitlements, because thats not popular either, and they will do nothing on trade as well. And so it will go. Neither party has an agenda that I have any interest in - because they are hostage to people who have only needs. As to other options. Take care of your family, secure their future, give them options related to multiple countries, insulate yourself from the excesses of the system we now have, and enjoy the years you have. Politically, nothing meaningful can and will happen until a crisis arises - and we're not there yet.

Oh, and MyOpine: We've been laughing AT

shall we?

I don't see that there is anyone in their right mind who isn't for better health care for our troops, and (as MUCH as it really annoys me to admit it) the doofus does have a point that adequate accommodations need to be made available for the families of our wounded troops.

However, what I've been learning of late is that it's NOT necessarily no care, or even inadequate care for our wounded troops, the big bottleneck is that the troops, and/or their families need to know that the care is available and how to request it.

More than anything, the troops need an advocate just for them.


Bad situation for sure, but the care is there...

But, it's not really as halD would have anyone believe... that it's just the Republicans who are not in tune with the problem.

Not too long before Imus got the boot, I happened to watch an interview he did with... Tah Dah... Chuckie Schumer-D, NYS.

As only Imus would do, he questioned Chuckie about the situation at Walter Reed, and Chuckie said he had not been aware of the condition at Walter Reed.

Imus questioned Chuckie about whether or not he'd been to visit anyone at Walter Reed since the beginning of the war in Iraq, and Chuckie said, "Well.... ummm... no..."

Say what you will about Imus, but he held Chuckie's feet to the fire (would have been a very good abject lesson for every serious journalist.... ever) as he continued to question Chuckie about how and why, being in DC so often, and so physically close to Walter Reed, that he'd not once been there to visit even the troops from his district.

As I watched Imus hold Chuckie's feet to the fire, and chuckie squirm like a snake, I wondered just how many... from BOTH SIDES of the AISLE, had not been to Walter Reed....

So, halD, don't even try to make this a Republican issue....





Redlac
"...A budget that increased from $1.88 trillion in 2000 to $3.2 trillion in 2009, or by 80%, can never be undone. "

I put to you that Reagan did the same thing only not so much. It is a weakness in extreme conservativism - with its everyman for themselves view they take and take lots. I put to you Cheny would not be VP if as SecDef he hadn't played favorites and became CEO of Halliburton. Their can be no real alligence to anything but "me"

"By buying into the Democrats agenda on spending and expanded government - the GOP put an end to that portion of the vision Reagan had - and sold."

Reagan expanded government and ran up debt and spending. But he "talked" a wonderful game

"... As to other options. Take care of your family, secure their future, give them options related to multiple countries, insulate yourself from the excesses of the system we now have, and enjoy the years you have. "

Those are wise words I hope you and yours are doing it

Anne
"...As I watched Imus hold Chuckie's feet to the fire, and chuckie squirm like a snake, I wondered just how many... from BOTH SIDES of the AISLE, had not been to Walter Reed....

So, halD, don't even try to make this a Republican issue...."

I don't know if you noticed but it was a bipartisan move. It is and has been a BUSH Regime issue not a Republican one. I am writing an article I hope to have up tomorrow. I will try to make it "bland" and non partisan so my R buddies can circulate. Seriously, this is a good thing I think we can all hop on board with. As a patient at WR I guess I am prejudiced but heck they earned it. They are superb.

halD: You don't get it, you don't have

any R buddies!!!!!!!

Got that???

After the things you've said to about the people on this site, your constant childish ridicule, and your vile rhetoric, you have no buddies here...

The only thing you have here are people who "tolerate you" because you come here. Yet few, if any (and my guess it's "if any") will bother with your article!!!

In case you're interested in why, it's because you've acted like, and earned yourself a reputation of being an ignorant a$$, and lost any and all credibility!


Conservatives in Name Only
So there's a Republican politician who's not going to bend over for the religious fundamentalist crybabies who whine and moan about their pet causes! Amazing! I thought the whole party had been taken over.

OK, it's not a great precedent to be setting, this "legislating from the bench" business, but it's the lesser of two evils in this situation, because obviously, legislating from pulpit is WAY WAY worse. I'm sure some of you think you disagree with that statement, but that's only because you haven't thought it through yet.

Let's imagine for a second that someone who practices a DIFFERENT religion got elected! Already a lot of you are probably appalled, but it goes on! Imagine someone who practices a different religion gets elected AND we've established this precedent that elected leaders can take marching orders from the church in order to appease a vocal minority with dogged obsession with one rather irrelevant issue.

And yes, it is irrelevant! A federal marriage ban is not going to lower gas prices, fix the mortgage crisis, end global terrorism, or create high-paying jobs. All it's going to do is make a bunch of whiny "socially conservative" idiots feel better. That's it. Don't waste our time with this nonsense.

Hey Liberal Military Supporters
The Democrats control congress. They are Liberals.

Most Liberals are cut and run specialists with little or no concern for the troops or their families in the aftermath.

Liberals resist recruiting and funding for the troops.

Most liberals want NO MILITARY much less any aid or comfort to them.

Anyone who thinks Liberals support the military or their families are complete and unadulterated idiots.

Murtha a supporter of the military? HalD says Murtha does it privately - anecdotal evidence does not trump the vicious and vile things Murtha does publicly to the troops.

HalD have you lost what little mind you had.

This is logic and reason not ad homenum atttacks
hwere do you come up with this nonsense.

Harry Reid - Pelosi - Murtha supporting the military = waht planet are you from?

To Redlac
It is nice that you understand that I don't want Obama running the country. But I take it from your comment that you don't want McCain running the Republican Party that you are willing to live with Obama as President as the price of your anti-McCain feelings. That is idiocy. You would rather live with a left wing President who will lose a war, have an appeasement-minded foreign policy, nominate left wing judges to the federal bench, institute Government run health care, increase Government spending and raise taxes than see John McCain elected President, even though McCain would see the Iraq war to a successful conclusion, pursue a hawkish foreign policy in the protection of America, nominate strict constructionist judges to the federal bench, restrain Government spending by the elimination of pork barrel spending and earmarks and reduce taxes. Pardon me if I think that you simply don't have the best interests of the country at heart.

King Liberal
"Hal D
Morse conservative support is lining up with Webb for the new GI Bill. Now the GOP can actually prove that it cares for the troops by doing some real and serious for them."

Let's see I hope so. Read the link that is the next thing we can fix now

"AS Webb says if Bush vetoes the bill it will be the first time in history that a POTUS has vetoed benefits for veterans. "

So what? He is the first in history to endorse torture - the weakling

Retired Geek
"Most Liberals are cut and run specialists with little or no concern for the troops or their families in the aftermath."

Not true it is the Rs who say too expensive

"Liberals resist recruiting and funding for the troops."

Not true the Bush regime says no need

"Most liberals want NO MILITARY much less any aid or comfort to them."

Really? It seems to be Rush and the timid, frightened folks here who insult and do not help vets -- TOO EXPENSIVE

"Anyone who thinks Liberals support the military or their families are complete and unadulterated idiots."

Really? The Bush Regime delayed body armour killing and wounding troops; they tried to stop congress from buying MRAPs; they refuse to fully fund VA, shall I go on your pius hypocrite?

"Murtha a supporter of the military? HalD says Murtha does it privately - anecdotal evidence does not trump the vicious and vile things Murtha does publicly to the troops."

This is vile: "http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/15/AR2008051503747.html?referrer=emailarticle". Where are your facts cardboard hero?

"HalD have you lost what little mind you had.

This is logic and reason not ad homenum atttacks
hwere do you come up with this nonsense."

LMAO you really didn't type the above did you LMAO LOL

"Harry Reid - Pelosi - Murtha supporting the military = waht planet are you from? "

Reality check their agenda for the last four years.

Folks
Good night and be well. I am off and calling it a night. Seriously enjoy the coming week.

ReCon-USMC, you can come out now

Robert take your meds
You will be manned from the Wal-Mart airforce if you are not careful.

You are already in trouble inside Wal-Mart.

It is now illegal for Robert to walk through any Wal-Mart wearing scuba flippers, fish-net stockings, red polka dot boxers held up with 3" wide yellow suspenders, a tinfoil hat and a flashlight in each hand illuminating his hat singing endless verses of "This foil hat of mine, I like to make it shine".

Amnesty John's REAL disconnect
Why the Republican malaise?

I was an unpaid volunteer in Atlanta in the Reagan campaigns for POTUS, and even also worked for Daddy Bush, though with an instinctive reluctance that he was a faux/RINO Eastern Republican. I have voted for the more conservative candidate for POTUS for 40 years.

The less cognitive son Presidente Jorge has screwed up royally on 2 key issues that Amnesty John is in sync with-- making a pointless, neoCON war on the wrong Islamics, and embracing ILLEGAL aliens. These are symptomatic of why conservative Republicans are dispirited. Each blunder is costing American taxpayers a FORTUNE with long-term detrimental effects, even as Jorge also grew govt. influence and largess (NCLB and Rx Care for Seniors) and spent $ like a drunken sailor 'Crat. The left-leaning RINO party needs a wakeup call.

Amnesty John McQuisling has appointed Smilin'Juan Hernandez to be his "Hispanic Outreach" adviser (to coordinate the Reconquista). The myopia of many RINO's on the open border, "cheap labor is good" agenda is stunning and flummoxing. It is fool's gold to fathom that these ignorant, indigent with supposed "conservative social values" would EVER vote as conservatives simply because a
minority of established, middle class Hispanics have done so. What, pray tell, is "conservative" about rampant penchants toward serious crimes, drugs, gangs, dropouts, illegitimacies, and social service decimation?!?!

Obama is a socialist in Pied Piper clothing, but the thought of supporting Amnesty John is like bleeding a patient to cure him-- if the body politic survives, it will be a miracle. What a Hobson's Choice! I will sit this dance
out until the bad music dies.

We May Not Want McCain - BUT!!!
Do we want Obama? He is so far left, that if any of you say you won't vote for McCain, you just got Obama and then see where this Nation goes. The sewer is not deep enough, we will be lost for generations to come if Obama gets in.

I still say, vote a Republican President (he is all we have) and vote in an Independent or Conservative Congress. If we have a Democratic Congress, it will not matter about the President, he can veto a bill, but the Democrats who are the majority can override the veto, this leaves us in deep s--- and will take generations of common sense to make a difference which could and would be to late coming.

Think before you vote and understand what it could mean if you do not vote or vote unwisely.
Joy of Iowa

One difference between race

and sodomy is that race is not a choice, practicing sodomy is a choice. Apparently, in California choices are equated with non-choices.
The California Supreme Court is either incredibly stupid or have a need to advance the radical homosexual agenda.

If McCain cannot now support a DOM amendment, he does not have a chance in November.

Race and Gender Don't Equate
There is no real test for race. You are what you say you are. So don't compare interracial marriage laws with same-gender marriage laws.

Actually, I imagine that if a same-gender couple wanted to marry, one could just delcare themselves to be an opposite gender. But, of course, none of this has anything to do with equal rights. It is the gay agenda to normalize gay sex in the eyes of the public. It's public approbation gays are seeking. Legalizing gay marriage is just a means to an end.

And that's what the public is fighting against: That gay relationships have society's full and unqualified approval.

McLame
And sitting in his Green Jeans, Mr. GJ buys into Global Warming hook, line, and sinker. Imagine a McLame administration two years into his first term. I shudder to think.

The Better Of Three Evils.
A week after reading these posts I couldn't help to think of what Phil Boyer had to say:

"We are in a time of war; a war that defies patterns used in other wars in which we have engaged. I trust John McCain as Commander in Chief. To consider Clinton or Obama in that position is unconscionable."

I read these posts again and realize what options do we really have?
At least McCain won't dismantle the military and leave us wide open for another 911.
I am afraid by the strong reactions of those who posted here that we will not have a republican White House for some time. YES, we are washed up... but worse we will have a President (Obama) who will single-handedly destroy our military strength and thereby our economy (after the inevitable attack) and surely that will destroy life as we know it.
We won't ever be able to fight ANY conservative issue (abortion, gay marriage or even a flat tax or school vouchers) if we are recovering from a holocaust in two or three major cities.

The Better Of Three Evils.
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