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Sunday, April 27, 2008
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Dr.Wright: Choosing Hate Over Hope
by Kevin McCullough
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Dr. Jeremiah Wright should be twice stricken with the guilt over his lies and betrayal told this week to Bill Moyers. Once for the betrayal and disloyalty done to his friends (left-wing marxists) and twice for his assault on truth itself.

In fact one could say he is man without a home. (Well one could say it except we know that his church just gave him a twenty-thousand square foot home amongst a bunch of "rich white people" along with a ten million dollar slush fund at his disposal, with no required reporting of what happens to any use of that money.)

But I digress...

The very fact that someone who claims a faith in Jesus Christ, serves as a pastor (theological teacher of scriptural truth), is the spiritual overseer of several thousand "christians", and yet can bald-face spout justification for his anti-patriotic statements but then assert a love for country so easily when cameras roll teaches us a great deal about this "man of God."

What it shows us is that when examined in context he's even scarier than the random sound-bytes the networks had been playing a few weeks back.

Starting with the more obvious, Dr. Wright justifies his "blacks should hate whites - especially rich whites - 'theology'" by stating: "The shame of being a descendent of Africanism is a shame that has been pumped in the hearts and minds of Africans from the 1600's on. To become a Christian you had to let go of all the vestiges of Africanism and become European."

But if that was true Dr. Wright - how on earth did all those churches rise up - particularly in the south - out of slavery? Are southern black churches now, were they then, similar to the more pious and much less animated white churches? Of course not.

And there was no "church nanny" standing over southern negroes saying, "sing the white lady's music or you'll burn in hell" either. In fact it was during slavery that some of the most beloved spirituals of all time were born. Those spirituals, which highlighted God's provision in the midst of injustice, stand in stark contrast to the asinine comments Dr. Wright seemed to repeat frequently from his pulpit over the years. (Of which he likely won't be now because he'll be kickin' it with the country-clubbers, in his 20,000 square ft mansion, while living in the midst of rich white people...)

But I digress...

Dr. Wright's statement and his belief that a black person had to become "European" in order to know Jesus as Lord and Savior is simply an utter falsehood imagined up by white-hating activists who prance around under the guise of clergy. Any man who argues otherwise does not even know the history of his own nation - particularly the history of the northern abolitionists.

Later in the interview Dr. Wright's experiment in suspended reality continued: "One of the things that this church means is hope... They come looking for hope, we try to move people who are marginalized...to move them from hurt to healing."

That's a worthwhile aim to be sure, but will "g*d-damning" America be the ticket to healing? To hope? What Dr. Wright won't do is sit down and have a reasoned discussion with say - a conservative - on what raising or lowering the tax burden on America does to those he's hoping to heal. What he has all but ignored is the sentence that fatherlessness in the black community has leveled against the next several generations of American blacks.

Simply stating a goal does not accomplish that goal. And it can almost certainly be objectively observed that Dr. Wright's "out of context" (according to him) soundbytes have brought little comfort to a genuinely struggling single mom who is trying to raise her children and get her life finally on the right track.

A more likely scenario is that Dr. Wright's attitudinal based, "stick-it-in-your-eye" sermonizing has gone further to more deeply reinforce the differences in the already still far too segregated black and white communities of Chicago. That he is contributing to racial disharmony, financial inequity, and the reinforcement of prejudiced attitudes seems hardly to bother him. And it all seems a little too disingenuous when he's now taking up residence far removed from the ghetto in a 20,000 square feet mansion off the ninth hole in Tinley Park - with a bunch of rich... white... people.

Sorry, again... I digress...

But where it really got weird was when he started sounding like a right-wing fiscal conservative: "Governments fail people and governments change and governments lie... Governments who want to kill innocents are not made in the image of God."

Actually Governments do fail people. Which is why genuine conservatives have such a mistrust of a politicians be they Democrat OR Republican who argue that more government is always the answer. If the Calvinist view of the depravity of man - that man is inherently sinful - holds true, imagine how corrupt constantly empowered groups of mankind are?

This argument is a humorous one however because while Dr. Wright means it as some sort of snarky, half-intellectual slam at the present administration over its desire to keep terrorists occupied somewhere "out there" so that they don't come here with there attacks, he stumbles into his greatest dishonesty.

As someone who has been working in the inner city for as many years as Dr. Wright has - he should be fully aware of the attempt by the government funded (i.e. - you and me) operations of Planned Parenthood that systematically have since its founding been targeting the black children of America's inner cities for extermination. No one advanced their cause with more boldness than did the last liberal Democratic administration. But no one supports them more fully now than the plantation slaves of the Democratic party like Jackson and Sharpton. Running in close second to them is the Democrat's own half-white candidate in the race for President this year in Barack Obama.

Governments DO fail, change, and lie - so one must ask the question, "if that's true, then why should we continually empower them with more and more of the public capital - especially while they are killing our most innocent and vulnerable citizens?"

And this my friend is where it all falls apart.

Liberals don't respect the voters, they see them as pawns. Tools of the trade if you will. And the longer they convince the voter to support them for their basic needs - the closer each of them gets to their own 20,000 sq foot mansions on golf courses living amongst rich... white... people...

Once the voter figures out the liberal politician isn't solving real problems - but only lining his own pockets of power and prominence - he looks elsewhere. When he discovers that as a voter he holds the keys to his own future success, he begins to vote elsewhere.

If church goers to Dr. Wright's former church home ever figure out that the gospel of hating America doesn't measure up to any form of legitimate expression of Christianity then perhaps they will seek out a church that teaches from the texts of scripture. And when that church goer discovers that as a believer, Jesus Christ holds the key to genuine freedom from such brainwashing, and racial hatred, perhaps hope and healing will erase the hurt.

Of course if that happens there goes the neighborhood.

But I digress...

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Kevin McCullough is the nationally syndicated host of "'Xtreme' Radio and columnist based in New York. He blogs at www.muscleheadrevolution.com. His second book "The Kind Of MAN Every Man SHOULD Be" is in stores now.

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If you go into his archive, these are actual Kevin McCullough article titles:

Why Liberals Love Pedophiles
Why Liberal Feminists Support School Shootings
Why Liberals Channel Lucifer
Why Liberals Embrace Violent Massacres
Why Liberals Hate Christians
When Liberals Shoot Children
Why Liberals Revile the Risen Christ
Why Liberals Loathe 'The People'
Why Liberals Always Protect Perverts
Why Liberals Make Atrocious Parents
Why Unions Are Like Terrorists
Why Gays Hate Marriage
Why Does Obama Hate Marriage?
Why Feminist Mommies are like Pimps
Pathetic Liberal Sissies

Does Townhall have any journalistic standards at all? McCullough’s columns are beyond parody: they lack, talent, intelligence, wit, and analytical skills. They are also predictably formulaic and boring: McCullough selects a group he dislikes, creates a straw man, and hurls hyperventilating insults in a desperate attempt to “be controversial.” Yawn. Its nothing more than fifth-rate Ann Coulter (who is at least witty).

Has the conservative intellectual movement, built by geniuses like Reagan, Goldwater, Buckley, Friedman, Kirk, Sowell and Hayek, slouched to “why liberals embrace violent massacres”?

National Review famously and courageously expelled from its pages the cranks, anti-semites, John Birchers, and trite cheap-shot artists. Townhall should be ashamed for having absolutely no journalistic, standards, as evidenced by their continued publishing of Kevin McCullough’s paranoid, delusional, poorly-written, rants.


Good Column Kevin
quote:

Dr. Wright justifies his "blacks should hate whites - especially rich whites - 'theology'" by stating: "The shame of being a descendent of Africanism is a shame that has been pumped in the hearts and minds of Africans from the 1600's on. To become a Christian you had to let go of all the vestiges of Africanism and become European."

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If this Hypocrite was really a Christian, he would be teaching the Forgiveness of sins and not vengeance.

He sounds more like the devils prosecuting attorney than he does a preacher of the Gospel.
In fact he is preaching the devils gospel.

For myself, I had rather be drunk and under the bridge when Jesus comes, than to be in this hypocrites shoes.
He preach's against God, not for Him.


this guy does not know much about black
churches:

"But if that was true Dr. Wright - how on earth did all those churches rise up - particularly in the south - out of slavery? Are southern black churches now, were they then, similar to the more pious and much less animated white churches? Of course not."

More pious? How?
How insulting actually.

"And there was no "church nanny" standing over southern negroes saying, "sing the white lady's music or you'll burn in hell" either"

No, but they sure burnt or fire bombed a lot of churches, if memory
serves.

digressions
the whole point of g*d damn america is god damn america or any
person or place that does not follow god's laws. This was finally shown
to me for the 1st time in the interview. That McCullough did not pick
up on it or understand does not speak well for him.

And Wright exerts his followers not to put their faith in governments
but in God. Governments come and go, god doesn't.

Wright spoke out several times against killing babies in his interview.
I imagine that he was speaking out against abortion, but was not 100%
sure. Evidently McCullough is, but I digress.

Wright spoke of God and the Bible as he interprets it because that is
what pastors do McCullough tried to make it political because that is
what political commentators do, but I digress.

P!ss poor column. No stars for you.

methinks you did not see the program
talent scout writes:
"Dr. Wright justifies his "blacks should hate whites - especially rich whites - 'theology'" by stating: "The shame of being a descendent . . . Christian you had to let go of all the vestiges of Africanism and become European."

No he justified keeping one's culture, Nigerian, Chinese, Guatemalan
while still being Christian. This should have been clear to anyone who
watched the program. To argue otherwise is to make your own
argument. There was no mention of hating whitey, or even an allusion
to it. Not even rich whites during the show.

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"If this Hypocrite was really a Christian, he would be teaching the Forgiveness of sins and not vengeance."

Where was this in the program?
Even the speeches were seeking less vengeance - not to repeat past
acts of violence in the future.
I will agree that he could be saying more about forgiveness.


"He sounds more like the devils prosecuting attorney than he does a preacher of the Gospel."

You think? Did you watch the program?

"In fact he is preaching the devils gospel."

Not how I took it. I did not agree with how he phrased everything or
his choice of words but his message in the clips shown was pretty
traditional when you change his diction or if you wrote a paragraph
summary of any of his speeches in the program, imo.

"For myself, I had rather be drunk and under the bridge when Jesus comes, than to be in this hypocrites shoes.
He preach's against God, not for Him."

Not based on the program. Now Moyers did not ask him about
KKKamerica or US giving African Americans AIDS so the jury is still out.
But the G*d damn America is what every Christian believes, he could
have added G-d every country if you don't follow God - that would have
helped but he did that before he said that with historical examples.
(Again, a little too strong a word choice for my taste, but to each his own)

Wright is a worker of iniquity
As the Bible calls it

If this Hypocrite was really a Christian, he would be teaching the Forgiveness of sins and not vengeance.

He sounds more like the devils prosecuting attorney than he does a preacher of the Gospel.
In fact he is preaching the devils gospel.

For myself, I had rather be drunk and under the bridge when Jesus comes, than to be in this hypocrites shoes.
He preach's against God, not for Him.

Wright is being setup as a boogeyman
...to the white population at large. I only heard about him in the most derogatory terms peripherally when I tuned into election news. I finally read some of his quotes, and they weren't nearly as bad as the guy has been made out to be. And I think this article is just another poorly researched hit piece against Wright, attempting to depict his sermons as hateful, when in actuality he seems to be genuinely outraged at cases where our foreign policy has gone wrong. At other times, he expresses the frustration that I think a lot of minorities feel which is that the Church became divided in America along racial lines.

We have to expect better from columnists. The final conclusion that because Wright distrusts government actions, then you ought not support government social programs is somewhat simplistic. But to the larger point of twisting Wright's words; if they are so damaging, let them speak for themselves and list them- rather than constantly characterize them as "hateful" and hating "rich white people". I am getting tired of being deceived by ideological spinners, only finding out the truth when I spend time getting to the source material myself.

I guess
black pastors don't have to take a vow of poverty.

New Age Pastors
How times have changed! I don't remember any Methodist ministers from my youth owning million-dollar homes. I do remember many of them went on missions to Africa to preach and help African people.
It seems like the Rev. Wright preaches fire and brimstone and inveighs against the white devils because that pleases his congregations. But we don't hear anything about how he urges young African Americans to lead their lives, avoiding the gangs in the "hood" and attending school and delaying sexual gratification until after marriage.
The world has turned upside down: Now the pastor prospers while the congregation applauds race-baiting and invectives against their country and goes home to the same rude, dangerous neighborhoods and continues the cycle of broken families and handouts from the government.

A Just Judge
Kevin is a good judge of people. He looks like he's poised to become the next Cal Thomas writing columns judging human beings who he doesn't like.

Naw, naw, naw
Roland S. Martin of Essence magazine tries to put some of Rev. Dr. Wright's comments in context:

http://essence.typepad.com/news/2008/03/the-full-story.html
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Because KMC seems to have his God's ear on a can and a string, maybe he can explain what God's reaction to this country's 400 year-long reign of terror and oppression over blacks, if not damnation, should be.




Kevin. You and your clan are damned,
yourselves.

Ignorance is a river running through America...and you're all on it.

DR. Wright
Is it true?
Rev. Wright gets a retirement package of a 20000 square foot mansion and 10,000.000.00 dollars.
With that kind of income his church must really be solving a great many of the problems of the Black Community in Chicago.
Or haven't they?


Semper Fi

DR. Wright
Is it true?
Rev. Wright gets a retirement package of a 20000 square foot mansion and a 10,000.000.00 dollars slush fund.
With that kind of income his church must really be solving a great many of the problems of the Black Community in Chicago.
Or haven't they?


Semper Fi

Nellie writes: "Ignorance is a river


flowing through America, and you're all on it."

Of course, you mean the bigot Wright's "God damn America..." statement, among others.

Of course, you mean BHO's Marxist statements.

And, of course, lest we forget, HRC's declaration, "We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society."

Nellie, of course, you mean that river of ignorance is all the people who don't get it... and THAT IS IGNORANCE!


But, how comforting to know that YOU have THE word... Thanks for sharing! :-)





demagogue
Rev. Wright's use of the word "whitey" is racist. The honorable Rev. Wright is a demagogue, gaining power and popularity by stirring up the passions, prejudices and emotions of his sheep. No wonder black people are as hateful and angry as they are. A few years ago I took my family to a minor league baseball game in Omaha. I was appalled at the group of young black people who refused to stand for the national anthem. They sat, joked and laughed throughout the anthem. Their black chaperones did the same. You can take people out of slavery, but you can never take slavery out of people.

Nellie
The streets of Denver may be flowing with blood if 'your man'doesn't win 'the prize'.That's what blacks usually do when they don't get their way.Anarchy.

Al Sharpton is threatening to 'shut down the city',if he doesn't get his way in NY. Way to go Al! Maybe he can co-erce some bribe money from the NY city fathers if he will keep the masses 'cool'.

Obama is bad news,any way you look at it.He has not been truthful and hoped to keep a lid on this turmoil until it was all over.Another thing he has failed at.

good post, Bill
Has anyone on the left bothered to realize who rich many conspicuous "poor people" become in this "GD society" which oppresses blacks so?! The Revrund Jessuh Jackson sent HIS children to exclusive private schools, paid for in part by ongoing shakedowns of "racist corporate America." They bray caterwauler about, say, Coca-Cola being "racist" and immediately the corporate victim will pony up extortion money to stop the calumny. Jackson's playing of the tax-free organization scam (Rainbow Coalition, etc., ad nauseam) got so bad that even the I.R.S. had to try to nab him for millions and settled for a portion.

And yet, in an unguarded moment some years ago Jackson opined that when he was walking down a street at night and heard footsteps behind him, he was relieved to look back and see a white face. Oh, the evils of "prejudice" and "stereotyping." One definition of a conservative-- a liberal who got mugged this week.

I have a hunch that the Revrund Wright saga (and his own comments about white typical people) will come back to haunt Obama a lot, perhaps mortally. Polls might not truly show this (the "Mayor Bradley factor"), but a lot of people will rightly wonder about these things-- an be troubled. The MSM will call the ads "swiftboating Obama," but how do actual words said "swiftboat" someone. Kerry had sat before Congress on TV and summarily condemned American troops on Nam... he made that bed that his ambition died in.

sorry-- typo
"who rich" should be "how rich" ;~)

Rowly: Just thinking the SAME THING!
I was also wondering if Sharpton would be doing the same thing were it a "typical white man" who'd been shot???

Oh, never mind! We ALL know the answer to that!

Anne
Yes,we do. Some of us won't admit it,though.
Race-hustlers...what would we do without them?

real preachers quote the Bible
One telling point that I don't know if anyone has mentioned is that a real preacher always backs up what he's saying with Scripture. But when "Reverend" Wright damned America, he rambled in vague terms something to the effect of "....that's in the Bible....killing innocent people....".

A REAL preacher and man of God would've quoted the chapter and verse (if in fact there is one), and not just made a general claim to support his allegation. I believe "Reverend" Wright is a phony race hustler who advocates his own warped view of politics from the pulpit, in the tradition of Sharpton and Jackson, who also claim to be preachers while talking mostly about politics.

Kevin McCullough, brilliant column
Kevin is particularyl keen in his observation about Wright's hypocrisy on government: Governments aren't God, Wright says. Very true. So why let them play God in domestic matters like Affirmative Action? When it comes to war, that is really one of the few jobs the government is SUPPOSED to do to protect America.

Wondering
Just how "black" is Rev Wright? He surely does not look like a "black", and perhaps that is at the bottom of his hate speech.

Wright is only....
...telling his racist congregation what they want to hear. He works them then milks them which is a standard ghetto hustle, and they love it. They are his useful idiots. Wright is just a member of "the klan with a tan".

None of Wright's antics are a surprise to anyone who has witnessed a con being pulled on people. Working for the courts, I've seen people go to prison for lesser exploitive con games.

Victimhood, crime and resentment is what widens the public trough for blacks, and our politicos oblige. Blacks may rob, murder and beat each other senseless, but oh that gubmint check.

Keep the hate alive, brutha Wright. Millions of black welfare recipients are counting on you!


This man Wright
Is not a Christian.
He teaches and preaches the opposite of what Jesus Christ and the Apostles taught.

This man is cursed of God, and is going to pay a high cost for his wanting to take vengeance on America, and the citizens of today who do not owe him a thing.

He does preach hate, he is full of venom and hatred and is a messenger of satan.

The Gospel is about the reconciliation of mankind to Peace with God, and of a common Salvation for one and all.
The Mercy of Forgiveness to all men for sins.
But this man goes way beyond even the simple truth of forgiveness for sins, to a false accuser of men.

He himself is under a curse and is blind to his own coming judgment from God.
An ungodly man, full of evil intent, preaching and teaching division and rebellion against God.
All who follow this reprobate will be sucked right into the hell of his own making.

You can write this down, cause it is from the Word of the Lord.

The Lord says Vengeance is Mine.
As Wright seeks to overthrow the Lord, he will be crushed by the Hand of God, all who follow this teacher of rebellion against the Lord.

Different Americas
It seems to me that what the white American majority wants, is bunch of well behaved repressed black people.

We whites can never fully understand the black American experience. What generations/centuries of repression can do to people.

White America really does not understand the histroy and role of the churches in Black America and what black liberation theology is. DR. King was part of this movement and his anti-vietnam war views earned him scorn as well.

I saw the interview with reverned wright and I did not see the angry, hateful, anti-white unpatriotic man the press and TH has made him out to be. He was intelligent, civil and articulate. His sermons were taken out of context and made into sound-bites to hurt Obama and attack the left.

I even wonder if Mr. McCullough watched this interview, Or if he did, did he really listen empathetically and honestly try to understand the black American view point.

Rev wright talked out against violence. He said "God gives life, we have no right to take it away".

His anti-Iraq war position, as well his position against the death penality, use of nuclear weopons on Japan, repression against native americans as well as use of force and meddling in the affairs of other countries, has casue and effect and will come back to hurt us. BTW, the CIA agrees and they have term for this. It is called "Blowback".

Yes - I think he is a patriotic man. He is fighting for our constitutional rights, human rights and principals of equality. The term inalienable rights means something to him.

Patriotism is not just blindly singing God Bless America and clinging to idealistic one-sided view of history. Patriotism as defind by movement conservative is to engage in self-worship and not wanting to hear any criticism of the US. Otherwise, label anyone who critizes as unpatriotic and hates America.

Sometimes the most patriotic thing we can do is to honestly critize so we can be a better nation.


wright
and ears obama are both ashamed that they are partially black.To enforce this they constantly run down white folk to prove this.Kevin's statement,that setting a goal is a long way from making it hits the nail on the head.

COTTON COMES TO HARLEM

.....If you want to see the Genus that produces a Rev Jeremiah Wright ...rent or purchase the DVD "COTTON COMES TO HARLEM" ... http://www.hotmoviesale.com ...the movie is hillarious and great for a rainy afternoon .....COLOSSUS

stedes
I can't speak for anyone else like you can.

What I want for African-Americans is to become Americans instead of African-Americans.

Is that really so difficult?

Many Austrailians were sent to Austraila as a cheap prison by the British. Instead of living in the past and wearing the label of 'victim' the built a great country.


Everyone on earth has a truth they own
stedes writes: 10:57 AM
Different Americas
It seems to me that what the white American majority wants, is bunch of well behaved repressed black people.

We whites can never fully understand the black American experience. What generations/centuries of repression can do to people.
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ts:
No black man can understand the white man any better either. Exceptions notwithstanding.

We have have individual truths, and warfare with life, and all of us have known pain, both physical and mental, or spiritual.

Every man alive has personal truths he has lived through that caused him pain, its just the fact of nature and its a given.

But to take this pain and use it for dividing up men according to their skin tone, is racism.
And Wright is a racist, do not doubt it a second.

Individual truth is one thing, and Universal Truth QUITE ANOTHER.

The Universal Truth is I owe Wright nothing.
I owe the black race nothing
I am not to blame for his hatred
I am not responsible for any crime against this man or any black man.
I will never plead guilty to this mans lying mouth filled with hate for the white American Citizen who NEVER owned a slave, nor has any more power over the past than this old fool does.
But the white man is not trying to cause a war, like this bigot Wright is over things that happened many years ago.
And God has ALREADY TAKEN VENGEANCE ON AMERICA FOR SLAVERY.

America owes this racist pig nothing, but CONTEMPT


Any one notice
even though Wright talks about love and caring, he somehow doesn't sound like love and caring? Or am I to be accused of not understanding black preachers?

King Liberal
The only thing that has been proven is that blacks cannot talk about race at all without some perceived slight or insult.

Since you can't refute, you just divert.

If this man Wright was a Christian
He would be teaching and preaching FORGIVENESS!
NOT vengeance and hatred as he is so full of.

The Bible is FILLED with information about sowing hate, discord, strife and it all comes from EVIL MEN.
Wright is an EVIL man.
Setting himself up as if he represents God, who is the opposite of what this devil possessed old man preaches, that God has already judged hum and he does not even know it, yet.

His message comes from an evil heart, and is the message of satanic influence in his own life.
He knows nothing of the Christin Faith, but how to use the Names associated with the Faith.

Jesus Christ came to destroy this sort of belief this man teaches.

And said it many times, and over and over it is taught from the Scriptures to FORGIVE, not seek vengeance.
Which does not belong to this reprobate.
My choice of words, calling him a reprobate is not from any desire to belittle him, but to describe him accurately as the Bible teaches what he is.

The Apostle Paul said the Ministry is about RECONCILIATION TO GOD through the FORGIVENESS OF SIN, not the unforgiving hate that fills this mans heart and mind.
He will reap the hate he sows, its the law of nature

Politics and Religion
When Wright was asked about Obama his answer was, "Obama is a politician, so he says what the people want to hear." This is accurate. It is pretty clear that both Wright and Obama are elitists and racists. They have used different methods to achieve their goals and get what they desire, but the reverand stated this particular truth accurately.
There are always people who buy into RW and BO religious, philosophical, and/or polital packaging. As we learn more about Barack Obama it has become obvious he is NOT exactly what he claims to be.
Reverand Wright has already managed to achieve his goals. At this point he would be wise to shut up and enjoy his retirement in the lap of luxury.

American Character
When any American is indoctrinated into believing that they are not individual Americans and their rights and power belong to a group they lose the rights of every common citizen.

When any American believes that they have no significance outside their group as an individual, but only by the rights of a group, they have no future as an American citizen.

When any American believes that they have to secure 'special rights' for a group, with disregard of every other citizen, they have failed as an American citizen.

Any American who has been hurt by discrimination of any sort and then wants to inflict the same pain on others - their need for revenge shows only the lack of their character and compassion.


king of liberal crap
ok king when do you want to start the war. looks like we are just gong to have to start killing each other.

stedes writes:
"I saw the interview with reverned wright and I did not see the angry, hateful, anti-white unpatriotic man the press and TH has made him out to be. He was intelligent, civil and articulate. His sermons were taken out of context and made into sound-bites to hurt Obama and attack the left. "
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The Press and TH didn't MAKE HIM OUT to be anything but what he is. His own words told us all we need to know.

Stedes: "Sometimes the most patriotic thing we can do is to honestly critize so we can be a better nation."
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If you think that "G#@ddamning America and white people is honest criticism, then you're not only brainless, you're blind and deaf.





Parents and wanting a better world
Any American parent wants a better world for their children then they faced.

A flawed American parent wants the same world they faced for their children or worse.

American parents should want self-determination for their children - allow them to be the best they can be whatever that may be.

American parents who want their children to avenge and seek revenge on the ones who caused their pain - those American parents are no better than those who strap bombs on their children and are happy when the bomb detonates.

KL writes:
" that's the rub-you can't be pro-white when whites have effectively controlled every aspect of american life since the beginning. "
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Of course we have. It was our vision that built this country into the greatest nation there ever was. You only have to look at Africa to know what life would be like without whites. The Rev Wrights of this world should think about that before knocking us and our culture.

loco writes: "...am I to be accused of

not understanding black preachers?"

Well, maybe..... it depends on who you ask!

But we had a black Bishop in our diocese for many years. In fact, he Confirmed my son.


There would be no... I repeat NO comparison between our beloved Bishop and Wright. You would easily understand everything Bishop Turner said!




stedes
You are correct, I have not lived "the black American experience." But I have read that one of the most cruel things that heartless white slave owners did was to break up Negro families, and that family was VERY important to Negro slaves, and after slavery was ended, family was still important to Negroes. (And when I looked up "Negro" in my online dictionary, I found that it is now a derogatory term. Too bad, I grew up thinking it was a respectful term! And in the time of slavery, the term "Black" was disrespectful. Times do change.)

Since The Great Society, the Black family has tended to disintegrate. When Black families are cohesive units, their members tend to be somewhat to very successful.

Perhaps it's the Republicans who did not oppose LBJ's great program who are to blame for the state of today's "African-Americans"? Isn't it, at least in part, that program that's keeping them "repressed"?

I, like Retired Geek, would like to see African-Americans become Americans. I don't see Wright working toward that goal.

Stedes - You should run for office
Get over it pal. Each of us has his or her own background and experiences... Black, white, short, tall, fat, thin, or whatever.
If you want to feel guilty because your ancestors were bigots or slaveowners or KKK members, then go right ahead and feel that, but don't try to lay a guilt trip on the rest of us!
Thank you Talent Scout. Your 11:36 post says it like it is.
The very last thing this country needs is to elect a president based upon the color of his skin, whether black, white or whatever!

Patriotic American
I made a decison as a man and a husband that I would raise and teach my children to be honorable and decent towards others. That included me as father and most certainly their mother.

I taught my children (and now my grandchildren) that any right they sought was wrong if it was not a right for all citizens.

I taught my children (and now my grandchildren) that no matter what anyone else thought of them I loved them and would support them in any way I could as long as they sought righteousness.

I taught my children (and now my grandchildren) that revenge was evil. I taught them that defense of family and the helpless was a good thing even if they had to take life or give their own.

I taught my children (and now my grandchildren) that America is the greatest country to ever exist on this planet - that nothing made by man is perfect.

Moyers to LBJ


I don’t like to say anything good about Moyers, but here is a story I remember, that I like.

=======

One time in the Johnson years, LBJ called on Moyers to say the blessing at a dinner. “Speak up, Bill,” Lyndon roared. “I can’t hear you.” Moyers replied, “I wasn’t speaking to you, sir.”

stedes writes:
**It seems to me that what the white American majority wants, is bunch of well behaved repressed black people.**

Oh, please. That is beyond insulting. It's downright stupid. Can you at least try something different if you want to insult me?

We white Americans may not understand what it is to be black. But we do understand what it is to be human - isn't that the goal? Aren't we supposed to become brothers and sisters in Christ? How in the world is rhetoric like that the Rev. Wright spews supposed to unite us as a people?

The man is neither articulate or smart. He is a race baiter, pure and simple. His remarks are even worse when you take the time to actually read them in full. His interview was done by a left wing loon who threw him softball questions, even putting words in his mouth, with the intent of whitewashing the Reverend's offensive remarks, which, as someone else so ably pointed out, are NEVER referenced by Book, Chapter, and verse.

The man is a fraud, fueled by greed and hate. May God have mercy on his soul.


http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/transcript1.html

Member of a black church
My family and I were members of a large mostly black church in the North East for several years.

Our pastor taught inclusion and not separation - hope and not hate - forgivness and not revenge.

My family and I are white of Scottish ancestry and we were addressed as brother and sister and we addressed members of the congregation as brother and sister - we all belived we were children of God.

Once a month if needed, we had a graduation celebration of any congregant who graduated from government client to work and self-determination. These were grand parties with certificates and robes, caps and honor and much fun.

Liberals
TomLibertarian, here are a few more column headlines for you....

Why Liberals Bother Commenting on Conservative Sites

Why Liberals Are Afraid to Admit They Are 'Liberals' (as opposed to "Independents" "Libertarians" or "Moderates")

The ancestors of most Americans
did not live in this country when slavery was permitted.

Most white people who actually lived here did not own slaves, because most people were not wealthy land owners.

After the Civil War (when the United States made war against the South to set free the slaves), the economy of the South was devistated, and for many decades the people in that area lived in poverty.

Angry at this outcome, the South oppressed blacks as a way to retaliate for their depressed economy and loss of power. This, I believe was the motivation for the Jim Crow laws.

The United States government put up with this behavior for a time, but after a few decades, it didn't get any better, so the government stepped in and started enforcing equal rights.

Now it is understandable that black people reacted to the Jam Crow laws with hostility, even if some of the anger was misdirected at the federal government.

Don't forget that it was the federal government which (1) freed them from slavery (with the blood of nearly 600,000 American boys) and (2) stepped in in the mid 20th Century to make sure that the freedom of black people, purchased with so much blood, was fully realized through equal access and opportunities.

But now much time has gone by, and there is nothing standing in the way of black people acheiving success in life-- except their own attitudes.

Those who listen to the virtiolic lies of the "Rev." Wright and his ilk are setting themselves up to marginalized.

Plus, if they succeed in tearing down the very country that fought for their freedom and opportunity, they are going to all go down with the ship

wright speaks from the prophetic traditi
and is worried about his government -
the essence of the g.d. america speech
was the same as MLK Jr.'s speech that
he did not give -
Why America may go to Hell

Reminds me of that guy in the Bible
who was it, oh yeah, Jeremiah.

Obama Ayers and Michelle
"Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama have appeared together at a number of gatherings and academic events. In November 1997, Ayers and Obama participated in a panel at the University of Chicago entitled Should a child ever be called a "super predator?" to debate "the merits of the juvenile justice system".

In April 2002, Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama, then an Illinois State Senator, participated together at a conference entitled "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?" sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers and Obama were two of the six members of the "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis" panel. This information along with the fact that Obama served with Ayers on the Board of the Woods Foundation, gives the lie to Obama's claim that he doesn't know Ayers very well. And both of those forums at U of C were set up by none other than Michelle Obama in her capacity as University of Chcago PR executive; eviidently she too saw nothing wrong in glad handing with terrorists." NY Times


KIng Liberal...
**that is why you are not the all inclusive party of america and that is why you will soon be exstinct-if you can't adapt to a changing multicultural world then you are doomed and rightly so.**

That's America with a capital A, and extinct, as what you would be if America did not exist. Take a look around you - look at all those cultures you so proudly tout - and then tell me which one you want to belong to? The ones that behead you for disagreeing with it, the one that kills everyone else of another tribe, the one still living in mud huts, the one scavenging garbage dumps, the one run by a mad dictator? Which one?

And, would you be so kind as to explain to me why dwelling on what happened in the past is helping you today? If you're living in the past, you can't be here today. And today is where it's happening. I can't do a darn thing about what happened 100+ years ago. I wasn't even born in the US. My mother is Australian, my father a US citizen. He and his family were never slave holders and grew up poor as church mice. So it wasn't me and mine. Get off my back and onto your own two feet and start living.

Nellie
Nice blog, is that all your knowledge? I think you posted all you know, nothing.

king "typical" liberal isn't drinking

the Kool Aid... he's either taking it IV or inhaling the powder right out of the package!


"But seriously the GOP is the lilly white party of bigots and racist-not all-but certainly those who ascribe to racist beliefs reside mostly on the right. The fact that you discount the African American experience at the hands of your whie ancestors prove that you cons still have your heads in the sand when it comes to race relations."


Probably one of the most ill informed and uninformed, delusional comments ever posted on TH.

(And with Chuckles running around, that's saying a LOT!!!!)




Anne
You can expect Kinky Liberal to paraphrase a fictional summary of your post and verbally masturbate himself in public while he mocks his own words.
His fictional summaries will have no actual relation to the subject of your posts.
He will call you names, mock himself and pretend it is you he is mocking.

The guy is a total head case.

Kinky Liberal Liar
On the Coulter thread, Thursday, April, 24 , 10:24

Along with some petty name calling;
You created a fictional summary of my posts and proceeded to verbally masturbate in public while you mocked your own words you had attributed to me.
I am not sure what a psychiatrist would call such conduct but I call you a SOCIOPATHIC LIAR!

This is the second time I have caught you in a BALD FACE LIE about one of my posts.
The first time I simply chided you about masturbating in public and made you look like a fool.

I understand you Communists live in your own FantasyLand but you are not on CodePink now.
If you reply to someone's post and attribute YOUR words as his words, THAT IS A LIE!
If you infer someone has posted words on a particular subject he never mentioned, THAT IS A LIE!
If you falsify someone else's words for the sake of your rebuttal, YOU ARE A LIAR!

I am well aware you Communists are very slow learners and I am willing to devote whatever time and patience it takes to educate you!

Have you noticed a thread sometimes becomes so crowded you can't even get on it?
During normal hours there are about 50 people reading these posts for every person posting.
This site is the creation of the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank.
Many Conservatives read these threads. I am not the only witness to your LIES.
Your pathetic attempts to refute Conservative logic have amused many people on these threads.
You have a natural talent for comedy. When will you do a pratt fall with a keyboard?

IdahoGal
Are you saying you aren't experiencing "white guilt"? Don't you now that you are supposed to be responsible for all the ills of America's past? Everyday I wake up and think, how can I live in such a horrible county? We should all be so ashamed of who we are. No other nation on earth could be as evil. Didn't you hear that Michelle Obama said "America is a mean country"? Smiling.



After reading King Typical Liberals
Blathering posts I think it's safe to say that he's very much a racist.

Oh wait, Black people can't be racists. Can they King?
Hating people just because they're white isn't being racist, to a black man. Is it King?

Of course not, blacks don't have a racist bone in their bodies, just ask Rev. Wright, or Lousi Farrakahn and/or all of the other RACIST BLACK race baiters.

Context even worse than soundbites
A favorite trick of demagogues is the "out of context" defense, so it is no surprise that a demagogue like Jeremiah Wright would use it. Moral cowards from time immemorial have employed this dodge to defend the indefensible.

The problem for Wright and his dearly beloved congregant, Barack Obama, is that some statements are so clear in their meaning that the "out of context" defense is invalid. When a pastor tells his followers to NOT sing "God Bless America," we get it. When Obama's pastor says "No, no, no! Not 'God Bless America!' God D*** America!" we get it. It doesn't take a pundit to put such words in context. The words mean what the words mean.

Yet, while it's true that Wright's statements stand on their own in unmistakable clarity,
it's also true that his hateful rhetoric can be placed in greater context. Remember, this is a "church" that teaches something called Black Liberation Theology. The idea is that the "Black Christ" was sent by God to "destroy evil white society." So when Wright calls upon God to damn (destroy) America, it's based on the belief that America is "a country run by rich white people," the "evil white society" in Black Liberation Theology.

In fact, the more you understand the full context of Wright's teachings, the more revulsion you will have for them and the people who support them. The full context is even worse than the soundbites.

God Help America!
"Dr?" Give me a break.

How can anyone watch "Barack Obama's Pastor his Christianity Jeremiah Wright" on YouTube and give this demogogue the title of "Dr."? Obviously you were being facetious, but in the black world these title-worshippers show a part of our culture that is still primitive and exists here and now.

I challenge any black to name another country in the world where a black Christian would have more freedom, equality, and opportunity to live. Africa, with it's viral spreading militant Islam? Muslim countries? China, India, East Asia? Europe? South America? Antarctica?

America's love of democracy has ironically bred people like Reverend Wright, an America Hater. And he even became a spiritual guide and mentor for a potential President!

"God Damned America?" No - God Help America!






Marines' Dad
I have heard some black commentators say that "blacks can't be racists, because only the major population can be racist". They believe that racism is a product of the system, and since whites run the system, only whites can be racists. That is where Rev. Wright is coming from.

Some people are saying that if BO doesn't win the election it will only prove his point. So if you vote against BO, you are a racist. I have also already heard people say that Penn. voted against BO because of racism.

The poor suckers in
Chicago who bought into Wright's speeches and rewarded him with millions, must be a bit surprised as he retires, takes the money, and runs to the arms of those vicious white racists he has been bad mouthing all these years. It makes one think he is less worried about being lynched by a white mob, then being left bleeding in the gutter by a casual mugger in some other neighborhood. If i were a member of Wright's congregation i would feel exactly like Br'er Fox after he realized the results of throwing Br'er Rabbit into the briar patch.

Marines' Dad: I wonder if King Typical

Liberal could explain just why some blacks attack blacks who have not only succeeded, but have EXCELLED, such as Judge Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, Bill Cosby, Dr. Sowell, Walter E. Williams, Sec. Rice, Colin Powell, Armstrong Williams, etc., etc., etc.

And call them "sell outs."

Hummmmm???









To everyone
Today kicks off the countdown to May 1st, Holocaust Remembrance Day, at Fountain Abbey.

Stop by my blog: fountainabbey@blogtownhall.com (or just click on my name to go there)

Every day I will have a different blog entry about the Holocaust.

Feel free to send them to anyone and everything, especially those who are skeptics. I have provided links to websites with tons of pictures taken of the concentration camps and all the atrocities therein, that you can send to other people to help them lose their skepticism that the Holocaust happened.

Stop by the Abbey when you get a chance!

Curtal Friar

MyOpine
I was mildly surprised to find you taking notice of a post by some driveby troll. What ever made you pay any attention to the remarks of a typical bitter black person, clinging to Black Liberation Theology and his antipathy to those of different ethnic background. Don't you realize that people like this have no right to express themselves, and should certainly be ignored when they do. Sarcasm alert, for those who take me seriously when i am kidding around, trying to make the point that all can depend upon whose ox is getting gored. :-D

Anne
Have you noticed that blacks reserve their distain for conservative successful blacks? If you're liberal and black you're still in the club.

I live outside of Detroit. Mayor Kilpatrick is under indictment for perjury. Did you know that he still has many people that support him, even though he's destroying the city? I don't think that if he was a white mayor he'd have a chance to staying in office.

Talent Scout
can I amen your posts.
I don't get the prophet tradition. It's my understanding that if someone is prophesying, it had better be scriptural, and not some man made
tradition. And we are to beware of false prophets. What is he prophesying? That God would destroy America? For past sins already paid in blood by young American's mainly teenagers over 100 years ago? I'm like many here, my ancestors were in England during the slaver ers, and England through the work of a white Christian man, Wilburforce ended the slave trade. A calling I believe from God that wrecked his already precarious health as he fought for years. But there's no respect for this white man, he's one Wright through his hatefilled
religion would want God to kill him. ditto all the white Christian abolitionist, and in modern times, the white citizens who marched physically or in spirit with MLK.

Correction
slave era.

I guess I was the only one who watched
the program!

Is that right?

Seems like everyone has something to say about the book or movie
they did not watch. Great reviewers.

A show of hands who saw the WHOLE Moyers program?

It is obvious that he was using scripture and teh prophetic tradition -
Jeremiah is an appropriate name for him. Perhaps the least popular
writer in the Bible. Always saying the Jews are headed towards
destruction. Have you read this book? If you have, and only if you
have, aren't the modern Jeremiah's sermons SHOWN IN THE PROGRAM
eerily similar?


Savage99
We do have a way to restore the heritage of any black person in America who wants to be restored to the circumstance they would be in if their ancestors had never been bought & brought to America!

We can sell them back into slavery and use the money to buy the freedom of some slave who would want to live as a free man in America.
http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=v iew&id=679&Itemid=66

Every nationality has been enslaved at some time in their history.
The word "Czechoslovakia" translated to English means "Land of Slaves".

EVERY other race has had to face armies in battle to win their own freedom.
The American black slaves were the only ones who had other people fight to win their freedom for them and they are the only former slaves who are not content to live free and insist on crying about their ancestors being slaves!
The whining gets somewhat tiresome at times.

The silent majority understand
Tea Party writes: 2:36 PM
Talent Scout
can I amen your posts.
I don't get the prophet tradition. It's my understanding that if someone is prophesying, it had better be scriptural, and not some man made
tradition. And we are to beware of false prophets. What is he prophesying? That God would destroy America? For past sins already paid in blood by young American's mainly teenagers over 100 years ago? I'm like many here, my ancestors were in England during the slaver ers, and England through the work of a white Christian man, Wilburforce ended the slave trade. A calling I believe from God that wrecked his already precarious health as he fought for years. But there's no respect for this white man, he's one Wright through his hatefilled
religion would want God to kill him. ditto all the white Christian abolitionist, and in modern times, the white citizens who marched physically or in spirit with MLK.

M Coupe and Anne
M Coupe,
That's pretty much my point. The Dems are already starting the with BS that if Barak loses it will only be because us "racist whites" wouldn't vote for him because of his skin color.
I wonder what they'll say about the blacks who refuse to vote for him. Are THEY racists too?

Anne,
Interesting question. Typically the Blacks who swallow the Democrats Kool Aide hate those who have rejected the Democrats and their handouts for the freedom of not only being able to earn their own way in the world, but have, as you said, EXCELLED in their chosen fields.

those who threw the Oreo cookies at Michael Steele in Maryland are the perfect example. Not to mention the constant "Uncle Tom" slurs.

no-onesfacts: No such thing is obvious!
.


The silent majority know
If there is any hate,racism and bigortey in America, Wright is its producer, and men like him



Tea Party writes: 2:36 PM
Talent Scout
can I amen your posts.
I don't get the prophet tradition. It's my understanding that if someone is prophesying, it had better be scriptural, and not some man made
tradition. And we are to beware of false prophets.

---------
ts:
Stick with that too, your understanding is correct, as it is exactly what the Bible teaches.
Hebrews 1:1
Times past God spoke to all through Prophets, has in this last days spoken to all men through Jesus Christ.
None sent from God will alter His Truth in any way.

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Tea Party writes:

What is he prophesying? That God would destroy America? For past sins already paid in blood by young American's mainly teenagers over 100 years ago?
-------
ts:
America has more sins today than those former generations had, and if God destroys America in some degree, it will be from the sins of men like Wright.
Lying prophets of evil and hate.

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Tea Party writes:
I'm like many here, my ancestors were in England during the slaver ers, and England through the work of a white Christian man, Wilburforce ended the slave trade. A calling I believe from God that wrecked his already precarious health as he fought for years. But there's no respect for this white man, he's one Wright through his hatefilled
religion would want God to kill him. ditto all the white Christian abolitionist, and in modern times, the white citizens who marched physically or in spirit with MLK.
---
ts:
MLK did not preach hate, nor vengeance did he.
Wright preaches both, and will reap what he sows.
Wilburforce was a force in England, he had nothing to do with removing slavery in America though.
That took American blood to remove, and not just words as it took in England

Rabid Wright & The Obama's
I watched some of Wright's interview with that old lefty,Bill Moyers.The left-wing Moyers,along with the also,left-wing PBS (which my taxes help support)gave Rabid Wright a platform to try to fool 'em again.

Evidently it worked.Some folks fell for it ..hook,line and sinker.Wright sat there and was so pious,speaking so calmly."How could anyone think he said such things",he whined.
Just like a poisonous snake,he speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

"It was taken out of context" ,he whined.Haven't we heard that about a thousand times right here on these threads? You can make poor excuses for a rabid maddog,but he is still a rabid maddog.

Some blacks keep dwelling on 'slavery'.It is getting tiresome. When you can't cut it...you blame someone else.That is human nature.Well,at some point in time ,you need to pull your pants up and pull yourself up by your bootstraps,get your hands off your crotch,look at your reflection in the mirror and see who is 'holding you back'.You won't see a white face staring back at you.

The Civil War was God's Judgment
On America for Slavery, and its been paid for with the blood of almost a million Americans.

The sins now among Americans is not the sin of slavery, but of every ungodly and imaginable wicked lust men can dream up.
And the blacks are heavily involved in such sins themselves.
They will not escape the Judgment of the True Law Giver, for their sins either.

Like one of the prophets of old said:
"your sins (not others) your sins will find YOU out"

Plenty of sinning going on today to be worried about the sins of past generations.
Wright is a promoter of sin, not even close to a Minister of Jesus Christ.

Marines' Dad
Blacks voted for BO at 97%, in PA, I wonder if that was a race based vote. Surely, 97% of all blacks can't agree the BO politically. I don't see that white vote going that way. If it did, you could make the same argument, but its not, so no one can. Whites are voting based on ideology not race.

Robert
There you go again picking fights. Why can't to make your point with saying "people like you" blah, blah, blah.

Don't you understand the difference between stating your position and attacking someone?

To those that want to interact with Robert, please don't take his bait. If you respond to him don't fall for his insults. If you make him sticks to the issues he'll run out of gas if you don't fight with him.

God bless you Robert.

You're right M Coupe
But if it was reported that whites are voting for Hillary strictly because of her skin color, as the blacks are doing for OBLAHma, we'd never hear the end of the Dems, especially the black race baiters, screaming racism.

Chuckles writes: "Oh those happy days."

Were those the days you were doing opium, Chuckles?

Oh, and if Marines' Dad needs any info about Gates' Q&A, I can ask him personally since we DO KNOW HIM...

My kids.. even today call him "Uncle Bob."



Marines_Dad
If Wobbie tells us he is a Captain in the U.S. Navy, an active duty combat pilot flying daily patrols over Iraq, what reason do you have to doubt him?

Just because he does not know Ordinance Color Codes?
Just because he can't describe a Division Gunnery Efficiency Pennant?
Just because he can't describe a Division Engineering Efficiency Pennant?
Just because he can't tell you what it signals when a ship hoists a single red dovetail pennant?
Just because he can't tell you the reward paid by a Carrier for returning a downed pilot?
Just because he claims to be one of the men who held the "Halp us Jon Cary" sign?
Just because he also claims to be a Navy test pilot?
Just because he also claims to be a civilian test pilot?
Just because he claims to be a Republican and also a delegate to the Democrat convention?
Is it because wally discovered Wobbie does not know how to fly an airplane?
Is it Because Wobbie boasts about being an advisor to our Admirals?

OR MAYBE ALL OF THE ABOVE?

Robert
If you can show me one candidate that recieved 97% of the vote as a "favorite son", I will concede the point, but you can't. No other group votes at a nearly 100% block. Its not right when you don't consider a candidates positions, and vote based solely on his background.

MyOpine
Maybe he's flying for the Martians

My Opine
Is that a trick question or what? The answer is obviously, D. All of the above.

And add to that his refusal to deal with the real world by making up all those fascinating stories of his adventures with Alice, in Wonderland.

Me thinks the Mad Hatter got to him.

King Liberal
If politics has every taught me anything, its never gloat. BO could have the upper hand now, and I hope he does. That position will only makes him weaker. I'd rather be behind at this point in the process, so go ahead and enjoy your moment is the sun. But remember, the sun always goes down and a new day will drawn.

Kinky Liberal Liar
You think we don't KNOW you are a stinking Communist?
These are YOUR ELECTED leaders. (Progressive Site)
http://cpc.lee.house.gov/index.cfm?ContentID=166&ParentID=0 &SectionID=4&SectionTree=4&Ink=b&ItemID=164

This is the Progressive Agenda. (Progressive Site)
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

This is how Progressives intend to achieve their Agenda.
Communist Goals-- Congressional Record- Appendix, pp. A34-A35
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Take note of;
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
#17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda.
Soften the curriculum. Get control of teacher's associations. Put party line in textbooks.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The knowledge of the people is what makes a society what it is.
Detracting from that knowledge damages the entire society by making it less affluent.

People are what they know. Each thing you learn becomes a part of you and makes you proportionately more than you were before. Your possibilities in life are expanded by what you learn and limited by what you do not know.
The purpose of Communist Goal #17 is to cheat every person in our society of the opportunity to learn, thereby depriving you and your children of an opportunity you otherwise would have to become all you could have been if given an honest education.
The lifestyle of each American has been worsened to some extent by the Communists among us.

MyOpine
That's why most education colleges are nearly 100% far left. The left knows, that if they can indoctrinate the kids at an early age, they won't know anything different. Its why they formed the Hitler Youth in the 1930s, and what Stalin did the same thing to Russian children in their schools. And its why year after year our public schools produce some of the worst educated children in the industrialized world on standardized testing.

Defining Hate Speech .....
I cannot give you a clear definitin of hate speech! However, I know it when I hear it! And I sure heard it from what is on TV on / by Dr. Wright! Heard it loud and clear!

vamtns41
Hate speech is anything liberals don't want to hear. How much complaining do the left do about Rev. Wright's comments?

Mr Coupe said
"That's why most education colleges are nearly 100% far left. The left knows, that if they can indoctrinate the kids at an early age, they won't know anything different. Its why they formed the Hitler Youth in the 1930s"

---------------

The statement above is an explanation of why fascistic and repressive governments arrest college professors and intellectuals before everyone else. As for the Hitler Youth, Hitler was not a leftist - one of the first things he did after coming into power was murder college teachers, writers, and people who valued knowledge over propaganda.

You are a potentially dangerous man, Mr. Coupe. I can only pray that people who think like you do will never know real power in this country, and that you will just confine yourself to websites like TH.

Mr M Coupe
When the apathy of good men allows evil to triumph, that is the result.

coupe to Vam
"Hate speech is anything liberals don't want to hear. How much complaining do the left do about Rev. Wright's comments?"

Gee, I don't know, maybe liberals are more interested in the economy, health care, war, terrorism, and food shortages.

Go figure.

the problem is, MyOpine
The definition of what's "good" changes with time, history and geography, so that little bromide, which sounds really great, is something any active communist in the 1930's would (and did) say, over and over again.

deathstar
Please give me a break, I know that the Nazi are fascists, and not left wingers. My point is about indoctrination. As, for being dangerous, com'on, me dangerous. Don't you think that's a little overly dramatic. I bet we have many things in common, and even if we don't I would allow you to have your opinion and not regard you as being dangerous to anyone. Unless, you were to advocate violence or something like that.

deathstar
You whimper about food shortages while people like you are the very ones who cause the food shortages.

Without excessive prices paid for ethanol there would be no food shortages.
Why are we using ethanol?

Because of a COMMUNIST SCAM about AGW.
You Communist Scam artists cause a major part of the misery in the World and are expert at sluffing the blame off on others.

Food shortage? YOU CAUSED IT!
Global Warming Scam?
ANYONE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE MANKIND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NORMAL CYCLE OF CLIMATE CHANGE SHOULD GO IMMEDIATELY TO JUNKSCIENCE.COM

They off a huge reward to anyone who can prove AGW.

Otherwise take your stale Communist Propaganda back to CodePink where you belong!

Obama has already harmed black people.
Obama's racism has already inflamed hatred and reopened old wounds.

Opportunists who make a lucrative living by instigating racial hatred on both sides will profit greatly from Obama and all Americans will suffer as a result.

America has black men qualified to be President.
Unfortunately Obama was the one chosen.
Obama is only qualified to cause racial discord.

My Opine
You certainly are excitable.

Just for the record, I'm not a communist, never have been, and don't use ethanol in my honda. As for climate change, it doesn't really matter if you think it is a communist scam or an evil spell cast by a wicked witch, because you really don't represent mainstream thought or scientific outlook.

As for food shortages, the corn that has been overplanted never did go for human food, and the loss of cheap and abundant food is due to several causes, not just one, not a communist plot to take over the world.

Do a little research.


To All
To assume that one Black preacher should sound the same as another Black preacher during his sermon, is ubsurd and biggoted.


Does one White preacher sound the same as any other White preacher? As many as there are preachers. Period. There are varieties of delivering a well thought out or intantly inspired service to a congregation.

Like I said earlier. Town Hall Readers, for the most part are clanning together to make a point which is pointless. I understood Wright's sermon and I am not Black. I understood Wrights sermon to be quite the opposite of what you would like to spin it to be...to suit your own rediculous and childish uncertainties about something new.

That in itself, is thoroughly unamerican. It is acting out of fear and ignorance.

My Opine
Let's just leave it that you and this fatuous columnist are right, what Wright says is much more important than health care, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and terrorism. I personally think we will all be better off if you and McCullough spend your energy worrying about Obama's preacher.

Mr Coupe
"My point is about indoctrination"

I understand that, but what I meant by dangerous is when people don't see how their point of view fits into a larger context, and how they are repeating history.

It is not for nothing that highly right-wing and rigid regimes find free thought threatening - I see alot of outrage towards college professors all the time on TH - do you ever ask yourself if most teachers are presenting an array of ideas, and if your fear that they are "indoctrinating" is just another conservative mantra? Do you ever ask yourself why you are so threatened by them? Is it their ideas?

"indoctrination" happens everywhere - it certainly happens in most religious institutions, it happens in grade schools, in the army and navy, etc. But I know and have known lots of college teachers, among them are physicists, religious professors and pastors, Agriculture professors, and music professors.

what is it you conservatives are so afraid of?

And, I still believe unreasonable fear causes people to do crazy things - and in the right circumstances can definitely make them dangerous.


deathstar
I really don't care what euphemism you cower behind.
You may call yourself a Martian if it pleases you.

However your posts will tell us precisely what you are.
They label you COMMUNIST!

As for your LIE about Agrarian Global Warming?
YOU ARE A LIAR AND A FAKE!
That scam has been exposed her countless times.

As to your expertise on race relations? You apparently have none.
You are simply an empty vessel making noise.

I never fail to be amused by frauds like you claiming to be something they are not.

Nellie
"To assume that one Black preacher should sound the same as another Black preacher during his sermon, is ubsurd and biggoted."

You go, girl!

It's kind of fun to imagine what TH posters would be saying if this had been Rush Limbaugh's pastor.

deathstar
Just take a look at what's going on in our schools today, and then ask me what I'm afraid of. With the SP's in control of the schools the violence rate, pregnancy rate, and the drop out rate are through the roof. When I was in school we had a lot of junk going with drugs and drinking, but at least if the administration found out about it there was some kind of discipline. Today, the teachers are in fear of their lives for giving a kid a bad grade.

deathstar
As to your LIE that biofuels have not caused the current food shortage and your request I do some research;
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/business/biofuels-are- resulting-in-food-riots/442

And as everyone I am aware of the drought in Australia.
That is minute compared to the land now used for biofuels that was formerly used for food.

Mr M Coupe
You are wasting your patience trying to reason with deathstar.

He is one of the Communists who believe any lie or deception that furthers the Communist cause is justified.

Most Communists are not capable of applying logic anyway.

Dumbest Post of the Day Award
Goes to:

Nellie writes: 5:35 PM
To All...
To assume that one Black preacher should sound the same as another Black preacher during his sermon, is ubsurd and biggoted.
....



I understood Wright's sermon and I am not Black.
That in itself, is thoroughly unamerican. It is acting out of fear and ignorance.
---------

We all understand the bigot.
Its why we are saying he is full of the devil and is not a preacher of the Gospel.

Nellie writes: "Town Hall Readers, for

the most part are clanning together to make a point which is pointless.

Really Nellie??? And exactly HOW WOULD YOU know this to be true?

Do YOU have some special insight that NO ONE ELSE has???

"I understood Wrights sermon to be quite the opposite of what you would like to spin it to be..."

And OF COURSE, ONLY YOU would understand Wright's sermon, and wouldn't possibly be spinning? Oh, OF COURSE NOT! Everybody ELSE is wrong, and YOU'RE RIGHT, OF COURSE!

"... to suit your own rediculous and childish uncertainties about something new."

Naturally, we are ridiculous and childish!

What is so "new" about what Wright is saying? Nothing!! Bigotry is NOT NEW!!!



re-watched the program
on "On Demand" and I was right he was using scripture for his sermons
(Anne, et. al.). He even mentions some (psalm 137) and others refer
that this is in this book (the Bible)

As I said:

"It is obvious that he was using scripture and the prophetic tradition -
Jeremiah is an appropriate name for him. Perhaps the least popular
writer in the Bible. Always saying the Jews are headed towards
destruction. Have you read this book? If you have, and only if you
have, aren't the modern Jeremiah's sermons SHOWN IN THE PROGRAM
eerily similar?"

Yes, no, maybe so?

My Opine
Last year, Congress mandated a fivefold increase in the use of biofuels. This is was not rammed through by Democrats, it included an almost 100% vote by Republicans and conservatives, so stop talking about how liberals are starving the world and actually try to get your facts together.

I realize that facts don't particularly interest you, but But other factors have played big roles besides biofuels, including droughts that have limited output and rapid global economic and population growth has created higher demands for food. People in successfully developing countries are using more energy, and demanding more meat. This growth has increased over the last four years faster than the historical norm, and while it is lifting millions of people out of povert and actually giving them better diets, farmers are having trouble keeping up with the demand.

Yes, the growth of biofuels has contributed to higher food prices, but the International Food Policy Research Institute in Washington says that biofuel production accounts for a quarter to a third of the recent increase in global commodity prices.



TomLibertarian...
...may fancy himself a libertarian. In fact, he probably holds several genuine libertarian positions. However, his response to this article is right out of the liberal playbook. Not one iota of substantial refutation of any point in the article! He provides me with a list of titles of the author's other articles, which I suppose I'm to reject without reading, without any reference to the substance of them, because the titles offend liberals. You see, if you're a liberal, if you don't like the title, you can ad hominem the author, and spare yourself actually having to confront the substance of his arguments. That's how liberals become, and remain, liberals. By scrupulously avoiding the substance of any disagreeable argument. What a relief it must be to go through life without having to expend any brainpower thinking!

Anne said, My Opine said

Anne said,

"Naturally, we are ridiculous and childish!"

My Opine said (referring to me):

"He is one of the Communists who believe any lie or deception that furthers the Communist cause is justified."

---------

Question for My Opine: What century are you living in? What do you mean be "communist?" I have news for you, Stalin is dead, the Soviet Union is no longer a Union, and the American Communist Party faded out in the '40s, which you will find out if you ever trouble yourself to read a little history.



Nellie
I haven't seen you're name before, but Anne is one of those people who exists just to put other people down. She only attacks other posters, mostly Robert who seems to suck up all her time and energy. If you try to find an honest discussion or an original thought with her name over it, it will be a forgery.

deathstar THE STEALTH COMMUNIST
HEY STUPID! This is the year 2008
These are YOUR ELECTED leaders. (Progressive Site)
http://cpc.lee.house.gov/index.cfm?ContentID=166&ParentID=0 &SectionID=4&SectionTree=4&Ink=b&ItemID=164

This is the Progressive Agenda. (Progressive Site)
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

This is how Progressives intend to achieve their Agenda.
Communist Goals-- Congressional Record- Appendix, pp. A34-A35
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Take note of;
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
#17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda.
Soften the curriculum. Get control of teacher's associations. Put party line in textbooks.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The knowledge of the people is what makes a society what it is.
Detracting from that knowledge damages the entire society by making it less affluent.

People are what they know. Each thing you learn becomes a part of you and makes you proportionately more than you were before. Your possibilities in life are expanded by what you learn and limited by what you do not know.
The purpose of Communist Goal #17 is to cheat every person in our society of the opportunity to learn, thereby depriving you and your children of an opportunity you otherwise would have to beacome all you could have been if given an honest education.
The lifestyle of each American has been worsened to some extent by the Communists among us.

My Opine
Are you high? That's the website of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, you moron.

I honestly think you are mentally ill. I think we should stop responding to each other.

deathstar THE STEALTH COMMUNIST
Hey STUPID!
Is Pelosi dead?
Is Obama dead?
Is Hillary dead?
Are you brain dead?

Research?
Your Pelosi. The one who procures children for pedophiles.
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with -young.html

Strange how all the leaders of your Party are open Communists and you LIE and say you are not a Communist.

HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU THINK YOU CAN POST SUPPORT FOR COMMUNIST PROGRAMS WITHOUT BEING PEGGED AS A COMMUNIST?

Mr. Coupe
"Just take a look at what's going on in our schools today, and then ask me what I'm afraid of. With the SP's in control of the schools the violence rate, pregnancy rate, and the drop out rate are through the roof."
-------------------

Mr. Coupe, think carefully. Drop out rates vary around the country; the drop out rate in South LA is not the same as the drop out rate in Westchester County. That having been said, Dropout rates have been declining since 2003. Look it up.

Mr. Coupe
Teen pregnancies are also declining: The teen birth rate has declined slowly but steadily from 1991 with an overall decline of 30 percent for those aged 15 to 19. Although some socio ethnic and economic groups have higher rates, all groups have been declining.

Maybe if you checked your facts you wouldn't be so afraid of things.

This was originally about college professors, anyway, wasn't it? I'm not sure what one has to do with the other.

My Opine
"People are what they know. Each thing you learn becomes a part of you and makes you proportionately more than you were before."

Only if you can organize what you learn and use it in a larger context of facts and experience.

I don't know what happened in your case, but saying that "democrat" is the same as "communist" is clearly a case of serious mis-connection. Somehow you're neurons are misfiring.

My Opine
Maybe you're just really, really, old. If that's the case, I apologize for calling you a moron. My uncle lived until he was 98, so I know what it's like.

no-onesfacts writes: "re-watched the

program"

Just how many times do you think someone needs to watch Wrights "sermon" before you think we'll come up with the same conclusion?

It matters NOT that Wright was using Scripture! What matters is that he was or was not using Scripture as Jesus intended, NOT twisted and manipulated to justify one's bigotry!

I'm not surprised that the church's web site was immediately scrubbed... rather than upload that and other sermons to clarify what he really meant.






deathstar THE STEALTH COMMUNIST
YES, YOU STUPID COMMUNIST, I KNOW THAT WEB SITE IS FOR THE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS.

I use the generic term COMMUNIST!
Like I told you, I don't care what euphemism you care to COWER behind.

Do you deny the Progressive Agenda is a Communist Agenda?

Do you deny The Progressive Caucus is allied with Democratic Socialists of America?

Do you deny the Democratic Socialists of America are allied with Communists USA?

Do you deny Communists USA are allied with Socialists International and Charles Rangle is chairman of the American Chapter?

You post support for Communist Agendas.
You either are a Communist, or you are one of those who the Communists call "Useful Idiots".

I can't picture ANYONE being as naive as you pretend to be.

deathstar
In the event you are as naive as you pretend to be;
Menu on left, select Social Democracy.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021029094533re_/www.dsausa.org /archive/Docs/Lingo.html

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_philosophy/socialists.htm

BUZZFLASH will help too.
http://www.buzzflash.com/reviews/05/rev05043.html

Need more let me know.
I have a data base full of them.


deathstar
You have missed my entire point about the current condition in the point the public school system. LW professors are educating our teachers. There LW agenda leads to SP teachers filing our children's mind with an SP mindset. That LW mindset is leading to an anti-religious agenda being taught to our kids. This leaves our children with no moral center, so that they make bad choices in life.

So we have total chaos in our schools today. When I was a kid the idea of using the "F" in front of or toward a teacher would be unthinkable. Now we have young kids cussing out teachers and assaulting them, without any punishment. Just watch the news once in a while. Teacher assaults are so out of control that some principals refuse to write the reports.

All of this is because God has been driven out of our public discourse. Even though I was not raised in a church going home, I knew enough to realize that making wrong choices carried a cost. The kids today will kill you in some neighborhoods and not even give it a thought. If that's the kind of world you want to live, it's all yours.



deathstar
For your edification;
This contains a whole bunch of good links that will prove exactly how the Progressive Caucus is tied in with international Communists.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/66ead9217 cb955bc


Saul Alinsky and DNC Corruption;
http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/dnc_corruption.htm


Devvy Kidd on the ACLU fulfilling Communist Agenda;
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTI CLE_ID=41751


And how the Democrats have been drawn in.
http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/democratism_pt1.htm

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={8 9BC7BB2-298F-4B8D-99DF-A9EA273A0559}

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/7/1/19110 0.shtml?s=lh

If you don't know by now, you are not capable of learning.

Anne
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MyOpine
You are right that deathstar in not going to change his mind. And he has a right to his point of view as long as he remains civil. I would tell him though, that he's getting a lot better treatment on TH than a conservative on any of the LW sites. And I challenge anyone to go to the Daily KOS and post conservative thoughts and see what you get.

deathstar: In addition to the excellent

references that MyOpine provided, you might want to consider that HRC did her senior thesis on Saul Alinsky, of whom she was enamored.


You also might want to look up "Roger Baldwin" who was the father of the ACLU, and learn about that.



Hate Merchant
Have you considered the possibilty that the good rev knows exactly what he's doing? You either have to believe he's completely stupid and keeps saying things to damage Obama or you have to believe he has an agenda.

Think about it.....the man makes his money by preaching hate, the "white man keeping us down" and the "unbridled racism in this country". However, if a black American is elected to the highest position in the world - by white Americans - his story is going to ring pretty hollow. But....just imagine, if the "deserving" Obama has "victory snatched from his hands" by those "evil and racist white Americans", the good rev will have at least 20 more years of golden material....and not to mention 3 or 4 more 10,000 sq ft mansions.

The rev knows exactly what he's doing.

Anne
deathstar is just putting on a dumb act.

Who in this age is not aware "Progressive" is a euphemism for Communist?

anne and retired geek
I didn't say sermon I said program.

Which if you read the first paragraph of the McCullough article is what
this is supposed to be about.

I get the feeling that you never watched it, yet consider yourself an
expert on it.

Your comments about other things might or might not be so.
At least you acknowledge you were wrong on his use of scripture.
Your comment saying he did not refer to scripture is one reason I rewatched it. Perhaps it would have been better if you just came out
and said oh I am making this all up and going on what I think he said.
Or, hey. I am just going to lie about what so and so said.

retired geek, 1 - if they actually watched the program.

Mr M Coupe & My Opine
You are right. Minds will not be changed and like a few others on these threads,the best thing to do is ignore them.

If you try to engage them in a reasonable debate,you WILL NOT WIN. Unreasonable people do not want to share thoughts,they just want to try to wear you down with sarcasm.

It is a pity that so many detractors come between sincere posters and do it simply for entertainment.They believe they are so far superior to us. We have core beliefs we have lived by all our lives and will always do so.


icedog
did you see the program?

I must have missed that part.

everyonesfacts
Sure did...watching it right now.

everyonesfacts
Matter of fact...he's praising Muslims at the moment. So what is it it....do you believe the rev is stupid, or do you believe he has an agenda? ....or do you actually believe a majority of whites don't mind being labeled racists and oppressors?

Nellie
You are right. I for one would not want all white preachers to sound the same. But if there was a white preacher out there who claimed that blacks were secretly trying to infect all whites with disease, I would certainly feel free to blast him for the hatemonger he was.

Yes, I am certain that Wright has made some well reasoned and sensible statements over his career, but that hardly washes away is nonsensical rantings. America created AIDS to kill black people? America actively pushed drugs in black areas to-again- destroy blacks?

Do you believe these things to be true? Because Wright made these statements. I find them just as offensive as I would if he were a white guy making the same kinds of claims about blacks. Wrong is wrong, regardless of skin color or political affiliation.

everyonesfacts
Need I remind you that lucifer (satan) quoted scripture?

Anyone can purchase a bible and call themselves reverend.

Just because one is standing in a garage doesn't make them a car.

Icedog
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. has a game plan. I believe he's hoping that BO loses this fall. That is why Rev. Wright is out this weekend doing interviews and speeches. He's hoping to derail Obama's candidacy so that he can point to 30 years of sermons declaring how racist America is. If Obama wins his whole lifes' works goes up in smoke.


Mr Coupe
Maybe he should enlist Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton....two other guys who would find themselves unemployed.

everyonesfacts
Have you the rev's new mansion and $10,000,000 line of credit? Don't you find it a little ironic that the man lives like a king and makes his money saying "rich white men" are keeping blacks down? Are you really so naive?

NOT watching Wright TV right now
Even as I type this, Rev. Wright is on my TV right now giving his address to the NAACP. I'm not part of the audience. I've heard enough of what Wright has had to say via videotape of parts of his past sermons to know that I'm not going to hear anything of value from him, so unlike his deluded parishioners, I see no reason to be a captive audience for nonsense. Those who ARE valuing his words are like the Israelites in the wilderness after God freed them from Egyptian bondage who stopped listening to Moses and started listening to Dathan and Korah and On (Numbers 16); they were listening to the wrong voices and never left that wilderness alive. So are those who listen to those like Wright; they're people in their own wildernesses who as long as they listen to people like Wright will stay in those wildernesses and risk dying in them, living lives of needless deprivation instead of the fullness of life God had intended for them in their Promised Lands that only two from that generation of rebellious Israelites - Joshua and Caleb - would ever see.

And deathstar:
I've asked you this question before, as have other conservative posters here, and STILL haven't gotten an answer, so I'll ask again: given the contempt you've openly stated for conservatives and the supposed echo chamber for us that is TownHall, why do YOU grace our presence by posting here yourself - especially since you told me yourself in the recent past that we conservatives are not that interesting? I wouldn't ever post on DailyChaos or HuffandPuff even if they WOULDN'T promptly lock me out after my first post because frankly I regard much of what comes out the mouths of liberals as nonsense, lies, or worse, so I see no reason to give them my time. Why do YOU give US your time? Afraid to answer?

no-onesfacts: Excuse me!!!!


NO, I NEVER acknowledged that I was wrong on his use of Scripture.

And I NEVER said that he did not refer to Scriptures.

Like a "typical liberal" you just make things up!


Hillary and Wright
I intend to vote for JM - lesser of the evils.

Hillary should spend her entire budget making sure of getting Mentor Wright on every TV show possible and before every large crowd.

Mentor Wright is so egocentric and has a personality disorder he will be the gift to Hillary that just keeps on giving.

Icedog
The Democrats have a bit of a dilemma.

A high percentage of the Hillary voters say they will refuse to vote for Obama if Hillary is not chosen by the Party.

A high percentage of the Obama voters say they will not vote for Hillary if she is chosen by the Party.

Neither Democrat candidate can carry the Democrat base.

Race baiting and more race baiting.
Seems like Kevin brings out all the usual suspects such as liberals. Barack, and the Rev. Wright.

Kevin, talk about what your candidate is going to do.
If you want to play the guilt by association game, the Rev. John Hagee, has a pretty dismal record of
moral repugnance. He divorced his wife and married
his girl friend. I guess it didn't matter that he was the pastor and his girlfriend was a member of his congregation. What a big fat creep.

McCains opponents are now planning to use the same tactics that you are using against him. Having a less than perfect pastor sing your praises.
Grow up kid, you just got your butt kicked on the playground.

everyonesfacts
I have never seen you post a fact - strange name you post by.

You remind me of a song lyric in a Paul Simon song:

"...a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..."

Standshisground, deathstar
I think deathstar is a very lonely person. I don't think he would get the much needed attention that TH gives him on the KOS. So he comes over here and sets bombs for us. So you can try and engage deathstar, or you can ignore him, it's really up to you. But remember, that the first sign of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting the different result. Smiling.

deathstar, I'd like to challenge you to go to the KOS or Huffington Post and place some conservative posts over there. I'm sure you would love all the crap that would come your way. Who knows you might really like it.

Anne
What everyonesfacts is doing is common for Libs to do.
They paraphrase a Conservative's post to imply things they want to refute or they make up fantasy posts to refute or ridicule and attribute the words to some Conservative.

The technical name for this is;
"Verbally Masturbating in Public"


Liberals and Others
What do you think SHOULD happen if Hillary is the democrat nominee?

What do you think COULD happen if Hillary is the democrat nominee?

Sharpton said he will close down NYC because the court didn't decide the way he wanted.

Will Sharpton close down America?

mamaduce
Just how do you equate one man preaching racial hate and hatred for America with another man leaving his wife for another woman?

YOU JUST MADE A DAMNED FOOL OF YOURSELF ON THIS PLAYGROUND!

mamaduce
How many times must liberals be told on these threads? REV.HAGEE IS NOT JOHN MC CAINS PASTOR !!!!!!! There is no moral equivilant,try as you may.

mamadeus
mamadeus writes: "...If you want to play the guilt by association game..."
-------------------------------------------------
Mentor Wright is not an associate of Obama - he is a handpicked:

Mentor = a trusted counselor or guide and tutor.

Spiritual guide = a person who directs another's spiritual conduct or course of life.

Obama placed in the hands of Mentor Wright the sacred covenant of his marriage.

Obama placed in the hands of Mentor Wright the baptisim of his children.

Obama tithed his money to Mentor Wright to support Mentor Wrights teachings for 23 years.

mamadeus this is more than an associate - duh!

Bob
I do believe we agree. Anybody saying something which I find offensive, untrue, escalated spin for some personal twisted gain, I would stand up and refute.

Now, having said that, I did not hear the Reverend's Aids sermon. Only sound bites.

Anyone within any group may have been guilty of instilling fear, disease or anything evil in another group. Don't you agree? This is no surprise. TV Commercials, right mow, are instilling ill-thoughts and beliefs into our youth, elders and anyone who'll listen.

We are always subject to mind-poisoning. That's why we need to be alert and astute, daily. That's why our faith needs to be a very viable part of our life. We need it near enough in consciousness to refer to its truth at every turn.

Tonight I heard Rev. Wright in length...without sound biting. And guess what? I finally heard what I actually knew. He is a very smart man. He is sensible. He is humanistic. He can teach us something. He raised MY consciousness tonight. I never expected that.

There are bad people in every race. Reverend Wright is not a bad person. His message was simply misunderstood and it was presented in spin.


anne + my opine = liar's club inc.
I wrote at 2:55 pm:
"It is obvious that he was using scripture and teh [sic] prophetic tradition"

Anne writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 3:08 PM
no-onesfacts: No such thing is obvious!

at 6:24 after re-watching the program I said I was indeed right.

Then you said:

Anne writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 6:59 PM
It matters NOT that Wright was using Scripture! What matters is that he was or was not using Scripture as Jesus intended, NOT twisted and manipulated to justify one's bigotry!

I said:
"At least you acknowledge you were wrong on his use of scripture."

Anne writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 8:55 PM
no-onesfacts: Excuse me!!!!
"NO, I NEVER acknowledged that I was wrong on his use of Scripture.
And I NEVER said that he did not refer to Scriptures.
Like a "typical liberal" you just make things up!"

Lastly,
MyOpine writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 9:13 PM
Anne
"What everyonesfacts is doing is common for Libs to do.
They paraphrase a Conservative's post to imply things they want to refute or they make up fantasy posts to refute or ridicule and attribute the words to some Conservative."

I will say that my name is still good but your honesty is brought into
question. The posts are right above or below depending on how you
have the posts set.

Not a liberal, and did not make things up.
It's all easy to check.


News Flash:
Slavery was so large in scope and duration in the history of humanity, that American descendants of it are arguably 100% of the nation's population. Those of African descent, while the nearest descendants of the evil of human bondage, racially, have no clear claim on the greatest suffering in either numbers or severity of treatment. The guilt should not start and end with white America, anymore than Egypt should be exacted to support and defend Israel.

I offer no excuse for America's tolerance of slavery for less than its first century of existence, but I believe in my heart, that America and Europe, with pressure from Christianity, and driven by Reason, are why slavery, polio, tuberculosis, smallpox, and many other scourges of humanity are relegated to the edges of civilization, where they are still pursued.

Reverend Wright stands with Jackson and Sharpton in misleading and abusing those within their influence, and using them as demographic cudgels to effect extortion on corporate America, and now, the voting public. The socialist agenda has always been to divide and conquer. It is the left that pushes identity politics, that require black and white Americans, along with hispanics, and Asians to retain their separation and isolation. Once that identity gives way to "American", voting blocks become uncontrollable ,… and that's anathema to Socialism.

retired geek
on my first post to you I used a fact:

1

I like the "Boxer" fwiw

OMG ....
....and I still believe in Santa Claus,The Tooth Fairy,The Easter Bunny and all the other make believe things I should have been able to see through when I grew up.Not!
I suppose some people just never stop being naive and an 'easy mark'.We believe what we want to be true.Too bad it sometimes isn't.

bakedbones
Great post and insight!!!!!


everyonesfacts
"Since, today, there are no clear definitions of political terms, I use the word “rightist” to denote the views of those who are predominantly in favor of individual freedom and capitalism —and the word “leftist” to denote the views of those who are predominantly in favor of government controls and socialism." Ayn Rand
-------------------------------------------------

What do you think of this quote?

Conservative = denotes the views of those who are predominantly in favor of individual freedom and capitalism.

Liberals = denotes the views of those who are predominantly in favor of government controls and socialism.


B. Hussein Obama will not make it
B. Hussein Obama doesn't have a chance: As stupid as the American voter is, as much of a victim of the public so called educational system as he is, as illiterate as he is, as much of an ostrich as he is, he will NEVER put into office B. Hussein Obama as a result of his connection with Wright and Ayers, two vicious people if ever there were any.

B. Hussein Obama will not make it
B. Hussein Obama doesn't have a chance: As stupid as the American voter is, as much of a victim of the public so called educational system as he is, as illiterate as he is, as much of an ostrich as he is, he will NEVER put into office B. Hussein Obama as a result of his connection with Wright and Ayers, two vicious people if ever there were any.

icedog + retired geek
Icedog writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 8:27 PM
everyonesfacts
"Matter of fact...he's praising Muslims at the moment."

Black Muslims actually though Wright doesn't clarify.
Yes they have helped people in the ways Wright says.

"So what is it it....do you believe the rev is stupid, or do you believe he has an agenda? ....or do you actually believe a majority of whites don't mind being labeled racists and oppressors?"

Again, did not see that in the program. Please show where. Thanks.

Icedog writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 8:47 PM
"everyonesfacts
Have you [seen] the rev's new mansion and $10,000,000 line of credit? Don't you find it a little ironic that the man lives like a king and makes his money saying "rich white men" are keeping blacks down? Are you really so naive?"

i haven't seen but have read about it here.
I find it funny that any Christian religious leader is wealthy.
But Protestants do this. See Falwell, Robertson, Oral Roberts, leaders
of mega-churches, etc.
But though I find it ironic I do not begrudge them their money.
Again, I watched the Moyers program and did not see him saying anything about "rich white men." At what point (minute) in the program
does this happen?
I did see in the program his flock go from 87 to 8000.

Retired Geek writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 8:36 PM
"everyonesfacts
Need I remind you that lucifer (satan) quoted scripture?"

No.

"Anyone can purchase a bible and call themselves reverend."

Watch the beginning of the program. He is a college graduate from
Howard - "the black Harvard" His father was reverend too.
He studied under Martin Marty, perhaps the #1 expert in the world on
Protestant history. (Google him)

everyonesfacts
As to YOU SAYING you are not a liberal.
YOU ARE A DAMNED LIAR!

Pretenders like you are very common at TH.
It never fails to amuse me how ANYONE can be so stupid as to think they are not immediately identified by their posts.

You come here attacking every Conservative on the thread and claim you are not a Liberal?
YOU ARE A SCREAMING COMMUNIST!

political names
Retired Geek writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 10:02 PM
everyonesfacts
"Since, today, there are no clear definitions of political terms, I use the word “rightist” to denote the views of those who are predominantly in favor of individual freedom and capitalism —and the word “leftist” to denote the views of those who are predominantly in favor of government controls and socialism." Ayn Rand
"What do you think of this quote?"

Not much. I agree political terms are difficult and most assume
everyone knows what they are talking about when the readers are
assuming different things than what the writer is posting.


"Conservative = denotes the views of those who are predominantly in favor of individual freedom and capitalism."

Well, not social conservatives. Libertarians would be better, imo.

"Liberals = denotes the views of those who are predominantly in favor of government controls and socialism."

I would take away the "and socialism" though some are.

To make things more difficult, I consider myself a "classical liberal"
for the most part.

Nellie
With all do respect, there's more to Rev. Jeremiah Wrights Jr. than just the sound bites that set everyone people off. I think that we share the same faith. And if we do, than I know that you believe Jesus was a Jew, that Jesus was an Israelite. But the sad thing is the Rev. Wright doesn't believe in the same Jesus that you and I know.

I don't know if you have studied Black Liberation theology. I think you owe it to yourself to find out what kind of Jesus, Jeremiah Wright Jr. teaches his people about. Did you know that Wright teaches that Jesus is black? And that as a black man he was persecuted by the Romans who were white. If you follow this line of teaching you understand that racism is far older than, lets say slavery. That black people have been discriminated against by white men for more than two thousand years.

I don't know about you, but I find the idea of a black Jesus to be historically and Biblically false. Which means that the teachings of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. are false. And if his teachings are false than his church is just another cult. There is so much more that I could share with you about this subject but I don't want to over do it, but I think you get way I'm coming from.

myopine
you assert you prove. What do you think I believe?

I am a classic liberal - google it.

Not capital l Liberal.

attacking Con posts or lies and misstatements does not make one a
Liberal. Your assertion that speaking truth is a Liberat trait is sad, and
does not speak for my parents who always as they said "tried to get to
the bottom of things."

I don't agree with them on a lot of politics but I do agree a starting
place is knowing as much as the truth as is accessible. Honest debate
is good. Deliberate subterfuge is not.


m coupe + nellie
M. coupe per your post at 10:18 as I said in my earliest posts -
questions about this would be good tomorrow at the National Press
Club and, Nellie, so would be one about his beliefs about AIDS
beginnings.

Liberals vs Conservatives
Liberals think that any individual that has become successful in America was at the expense of others.

Liberals believe that every successful citizen has hurt someone else to become successful.

Conservatives should be clamoring for the separation of government and economics the same way liberals clamor for the separation of church and state.




Goodnight everyone
Have a good day tomorrow.

everyonesfacts
You can come here and claim you are a Martian Cave Worm if it pleases you to fantasize.

Your posts expose you for what you are.

As to being "This little bit liberal,(small l)
Or any other little bit of a Liberal;
That is sort of like being just a little bit pregnant!

Fakers like you come here often trying to invent some new classification that will shield them from the stench of Communist.

We have Moderates.
Progressives.
Humanatarians.
New Democrats.
New Left.
Constitutionalists.
Independants.
Libertarians.

The list is endless.
When they support ONLY Communist goals and attack only Conservatives;
Who do you think they fool? How long?
Who do you think you are fooling right now?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

everyonesfacts
I don't know what you are trying to say. I was addressing Nellie about a specific issue regarding to teaching of Black Liberation theology. And unless you have something to add to this subject, I really don't seen the point in going in circles with you. However, if you aren't just trying to draw me into some pointless exchange, I'm willing to hear what you have to say.


myopine
contentless post full of your opinion but no proof.

anyways read about classic or classical liberalism here:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/special/20051220-special.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

True, I am too idiosyncratic to be a 100% classical liberal, but it is
the philosophy that is closest.

What does a capital Liberal do?
Vote Democratic? Never done that in a national election. Rarely in
a local election. Have voted libertarian more than Dem. And voted
Repub more than Libertarian. Which is more communist the libertarians
or the Republicans because sometimes I forget. lol

M coupe
I just said the points you brought up at 1018 would be good questions
for the press to ask Wright tomorrow at the National Press Club.

Do you think Jesus was black?
Do you think AIDS was a government plot to kill off the black population?
etc.
etc.


myopine
you don't know what a libertarian believes do you?
find out you might find where they don't agree with communists on 1 or
2 issues. lol

everyonesfacts
That's why I asked what you were saying. I don't mind talking to people that aren't afraid to explore questions from different sides. I don't think the press would ask Rev. Wright such pointed questions, but I'd like to hear the answers. But will we get the truth?

Thank you for your comments today. It's time for me to sign off, so night good. I'll see you on the boards in the future, I'm sure.

everyonesfacts
The irrelevance you spew does not change a thing.
You may call yourself one of Snow White's Dwarves if it pleases you.

Whether or not I understand ANY political philosophy is also irrelevant to the issue at hand.

IT IS A FACT THAT YOUR POSTS LABEL YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE!
You can squirm and spin like a dervish and that fact will not go away!

You seem to want to impugn my intellect because I judge people by their deeds rather than their words.

On the other hand I think you are rather dense in that you can't grasp the fact that your posts tell us who & what you are!

everyonesfacts
Just for your edification;
A REAL Libertarian has much in common with Conservatives.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The FAKE "Libertarians" we get here just call themselves Libertarians because they think Conservatives will pull their punch and not hit them as hard.

The charade lasts till they start espousing Communist Goals and attacking Conservatives.
They would get the same leeway if they had not mentioned political affiliation.

well, my opine
it seems you know what a libertarian is even if you don't know what
I am.

Saying that Wright preached in the prophetic tradition and that
I don't like the way he worded things does not make me any
political belief that I know of.

Calling you and Anne to the carpet on your lies does not make me
anything but honest, in that post.

By your definition, it seems, that anyone who is not a conservative
is a communist / socialist. I assure you this is not true.
Take my word for it.

What makes me think you dense is your lie earlier and that you have
not cited one thing I posted that would make me a Liberal.

Does my voting record? No.
Being pro-life? No
Belief that the 2nd Amendment gives you the right to own ANY WEAPON?
No.

I do have beliefs that are Liberal but I doubt you know of them.

JerseyVet
In your 6:22 a.m. post, YOU NAILED IT!!!

everyonesfacts
I certainly do know what you are.
YOU ARE A COMMUNIST LIAR PRETENDING TO BE SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT!

As to me lying about Reverend Wright?
I HAVE NOT EVEN MENTIONED HIM!
YOU ARE A LIAR!

YOU CAN LIE AND SQUIRM ALL NIGHT BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACTS!

You came here supporting Rev. Wright and attacking any conservative who spoke against him.

That hangs a label on you.
You are either a Communist or;
As you said. Everyone who acts thusly is not a Communist.
The Communists themselves have a word for such people.
They call them "Useful Idiots"!

King Lib
"You can take people out of slavery, but you can never take slavery out of people"

Perhaps Spiritof76 meant that the "mentality" of slavery, or for your level of understanding, the "gimme, I'm entitled" mentality can't be taken out of the people!

The reason for that is, I humbly offer for your enlightenment, is that the LIBERALS/Dem Party have coddled, paid, subsidized, petted, tried to get "reparations" from generations of white folks to pay generations of black folks who were so far removed - Jeez, I digress ... anyway, it's the LIBERALS who have kept the Blacks subjected to the government teat - the conservatives want them to stand on their own two feet and earn their own way. Conservatives want to extend a hand up - NOT A HANDOUT!

And, what are you doing in here anyway ... why don't you go somewhere where you'll be appreciated, say DailyGross, or HuffPot?

Stedes
...another who doesn't know squat about what he speaks!

"Rev wright talked out against violence. He said 'God gives life, we have no right to take it away'".

If that's the case, what is the right Rev. Wright doing about the "boys in the 'hood" who participate in driveby shootings; murders, rapings and robbings? HMMMMmMMMMMMMM?????

The nerve
How dare Wright appear on Moyers show as himself instead of as the caracature that the right wants him to be. It is almost as if Wright thinks it is acceptable for a preacher to put the gospels ahead of his loyalty to his country.

I mean it is not like you see the preachers in the bible criticizing the Jews (if you ignore the many times that they do that is).

But certainly one has to admire McCullough for sharing his experiences with us as to what it was like growing up black in America before and during the civil rights era. True he has a different memory of it than Wright does. But McCullough probably has it right because he is speaking from ignorance, which is how the best truthiness is arrived at.

Lon
I would like to thank you on behalf of all the Conservatives at TH. You can't imagine how entertaining it is when one of you arrogant buffoons manage to stumble your way over here from CodePink and demonstrate your intellect with infantile insults. You lift our spirits with your convoluted posts that prove you have no substance. The dumb act you perform for us is superbly convincing. I want you to know we do appreciate your selfless sacrifice. TH would be as boring as MoveOn or DailyKos if you pathetic Communist clowns did not come here to amuse us.
Again, we sincerely thank you!

Retired Geek
Thank you for reading and agreeing! I will work the thesis for a bit, in hopes of further documentary, statistical support, and a wider audience!

I apologize to the other posters I skipped in order to transmit my transient thought before distraction. Sometimes the thoughts get lost in the thread, and sometimes the thread must be lost for the sake of a thought!

Adieu

Historians already know that
most likely, Jesus was of dark color. So?

The human race began with a darker color skin.

Jesus came to represent that ANY material characteristic is [what I refer to as] distraction OR illusion, from spirit. Jesus came to refute sin; ie: material and mortal characteristics. He came to teach US [all of us], to live spiritually and therefore [without sin] and eternally.

Those who oppose Rev. Wright
are acting on a similar fear factor as that which stirred the Civil War, the Civil Rights Movement and the Women's Movement, and so on.

If it is fear which moves you, you know it is not of God.

nellie
"If it is fear which moves you, you know it is not of God."

Really Nellie? If someone breaks into home, and I clobber him on the head, am I motivated by fear? If my house is on fire and I grab my children and run, am I motivated by fear? If someone follows me on a dark street and I run away, am I motivated by fear? If my child spikes a fever in the middle of the night and I make a frantic call to the Doctor, am I motivated by fear?

Are these fears evil? Does God not want me to run for my life? Should I not preserve the life of my family?



Jesus
"Jesus came to represent that ANY material characteristic is [what I refer to as] distraction OR illusion, from spirit. Jesus came to refute sin; ie: material and mortal characteristics. He came to teach US [all of us], to live spiritually and therefore [without sin] and eternally."

No Nelli, Jesus came to die. Jesus came to enter into our suffering. Jesus IS God. Jesus came to offer salvation and a way to God through his death and resurrection on the Cross.

You and I can NEVER live without sin. And you and I can never live eternally without Jesus sacrifice.

Nellie, again
"Jesus was of dark color"

Why do you change what is said Nellie? Does it make you feel better? Is twisting the truth less fearful?

Wright, as Coupe told you, believes Jesus was Black. That view is biblically and historically false.

Black, Nellie, is not the same as "dark color."

Now,lest you jump all over this and miss the point, the color of his skin does not matter. The Race does not matter. But accuracy matters. Changing facts to suit ones agenda, matters.

Quoting Dr. Sowell
"It is painful to watch the defenders of Obama tying themselves into knots trying to deny the obvious." Painful and with an element of embarrassment, like watching a person of few social graces make a fool of himself at a formal dinner. Should Obama get elected, these folks are in for a rude awakening.

Actually
whomever gets elected, the folks who voted for them (as opposed to those who voted against the losing opponent) are in for a rude awakening. None of the candidates have a prayer of dealing with the problems here, and oncoming.

Verb
A calm response is the God response.

Jesus illustrated that his whole earthly career.

He proved confidence in the Lord.

You are misguided.

I have had many personal experiances which reprove Jesus' message of calm response. Good outcome.

Would you like to hear some?









my vote's not cast yet.
I am still gathering information. The more information before the November election, thebetter. Don't you agree?

Nellie
You don't know me well enough, nor have your earned the right to call me "Verb." I am Verbivore. Calling me "verb," is not a calm response.

When Jesus took a whip and turned over the tables of the money changers was that a calm response? Is your precious Dr. Wright calm when he preaches?

How do you think I am misguided Nellie?

Do you know what you are saying? "reprove Jesus message?" That means you condemn or disapprove of Jesus message.

voting
"my vote's not cast yet"

Good to know. You've been on Obama's bandwagon for a long time.

Verbivore: Nellie thinks anyone who

doesn't agree with her is at least "misguided" if not a moron.

And, have you noticed how Juan Williams has gone after Wright? It's obvious that Williams has no use for Wright!!!


Were Not Opposing Rev Wright
just the person that he has become and the hate and misinformation he passes on to the lemmings.

Anne.
"Nellie thinks anyone who doesn't agree with her is at least "misguided" if not a moron."

I know. That's what makes her so much to play with. Some people have the best buttons!

Nellie tries to be sweet, but she's naive and bless her heart, logic and reason elude her.