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Sunday, November 11, 2007
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Romney Critics: NOT telling the whole story
by Kevin McCullough
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As we are nearing only fifty days to go until the Iowa caucuses, and with the front runner of the race for the GOP nomination being Mitt Romney in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina it is to be expected that those who oppose the Governor would come out of the woodwork. My only wish is that they would do so with more transparency, much more honesty, and understand what's at stake if the clearest option to the Obama/Clinton ticket is not the nominee.

Brian Camenker of MassResistance.org is a person I've helped raise awareness for. Massachusetts based listeners to my radio show have expressed gratitude for the efforts to bring national attention to the unseemly agenda that the radical gay activists have waged against Massachusetts public school children. Sandy Rios is a broadcast colleague of AM 1160 WYLL in Chicago, but more than that she is someone I once worked for, someone I have deep respect for, and someone I consider a genuine friend. Gregg Jackson is an author who also hosts a Sunday evening talk show in Boston.

But my heart is heavy at the less than genuine approach each of them have chosen in their attempt to influence voters against Governor Mitt Romney.

The basis of much of their criticism against the former Governor has to do with his past record. Understandably we look at someone's past positions, qualifications, decisions made, and actions taken to attempt to determine a candidate's abilities and character. Certainly the Governor's record is fair game... but with one small caveat added.

If one is going to compare a present candidate's positions to a seemingly contradictory record - it is important and only fair for that candidate's explanation be heard as to the discrepancies.

The problem with all three of these Romney critics - who are focusing their message at the Values Voters of America - is that none have taken the time to publicly do so.

In refusing to do so they present the debate without context, particularly timely context of the present circumstance, and in doing so unveil a fairly one-sided discussion about Romney's detailed history based on news reports, press clippings, and of course their own opinions and impressions. (All of which they are entitled to.)

But it comes up short on journalistic integrity.

So what is the story on Mitt's positions on abortion and the redefining of marriage to include homosexual unions?

I'm glad someone finally asked.

No not me... the voters. The "Ask Mitt Anything" initiative put the former Governor before room after room of voters, any question they had, any curiosity they needed an answer to - he was asked. Traditional marriage and his pro-life policy conversion were two of the most asked questions the Governor dealt with on the tour. To say that his position in 2004 or 1994 contradicts his present day answers is a legitimate point to bring up.

But the key question is "why?"

There are some points of fact that the critics have also refused to consider.

For instance, if they wish to be "rule of law" conservatives - as is demonstrated by each of their beliefs that Roe v. Wade must be overturned, they cannot hold the expectation that the Governor would have assumed super-executive-branch powers and unconstitutionally instructed the Massachusetts legislature to ignore the Supreme Judicial Court's ruling. That's executive branch tyranny - attempting to override judicial branch activism. The proper recourse for the seventy percent of Massachusetts voters who disagree with the state's position to redefine marriage through judicial fiat - is to do so through the electoral process - something Romney encouraged and attempted to help lead the way in. It is also important to point out that neither Camenker, Rios, nor Jackson acknowledge Romney's strong consistent support for the Federal Marriage Amendment. Nor did they acknowledge the Governor's definitive position in the issue of Senator Larry Craig, nor the fact that as the Governor revealed on my show that he would look for the input of those like Dr. James Dobson in his administration as further attacks against the family and child arise in our future.

The critics have also remained silent on the recently announced (at the Value Voters Summit in Washington D.C. - evidently skipped over by Romney critics) future First Lady Romney's initiative of working expressly on the issue of getting young people to marry - before giving birth to children. A goal even these critics would not disagree with.

They also seem to be short on actions of recourse for what their one-sided debate leaves Values Voters to do. In Rios' one-sided monologue on Romney, housed at Camenker's website - she goes so far as to imply that the aggressively pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-illegal alien, anti-gun, tax indifferent, sanctuary city defending, horrific judicial record, cross dressing former Mayor of New York would be a more ideal option - because he openly embraces those deficiencies.  Jackson and Camenker offered no real clues as to who they would likely support.

In the early stages of the campaign I read Hugh Hewitt's A Mormon in the White House, based upon intense hours of interviews with the former Governor. What it gave me was context to who the man is. What it clearly laid out for me was how his conversion on the issue of life took place in his public policy (quite similar in fact to Ronald Reagan). Even the fact that legendary conservative thinker Paul Weyrich - who had originally thrown in with the Camenker/Rios/Jackson clan - has reversed course demonstrates that there is more to these issues than has met the superficial eye/surface level investigation/and lopsided commentary of Romney's critics.

My encouragement to Romney's critics - is to follow their conscience and obviously vote their beliefs. Yet as your attempt to influence others in the process unfolds, my strong encouragement to each of you is to do so with integrity. Since all three are evangelical Christians we all know and understand that it is part of our duty to love one another in truth.

It is also our duty to speak truth.

And one who does not allow both sides of the story to be told is in essence only telling half the story, and half truths, are in fact not truth at all.

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Mitt's negatives are small...
...and so are most of the people criticizing him. It is unfortunate that Mitt's Mormonism, his governance in a liberal state and his "perfect", "charmed" life have distracted from the man's intelligence, his success in business and his effectiveness as a governor. He is every bit as qualified to be his Party's nominee as any other candidate.

It will be sad to see that an article defending Mitt will be taken as an opportunity for anti-Mormon zealots to attack Mormon doctrine; an opportunity for pro-Mormon zealots to promote their religion as "mainstream Christianity"; and an opportunity for anti-conservative nutroots to attack the "fractured" Republican Party.

Romney is an individual of tremendous accomplishments who should make us all proud to be associated with a country that can produce this kind of outstanding man.

That being said: Welcome to the crazies responding to this column at TH... enjoy (if you can avoid throwing up)...

Rebuttal Pt. 1
Let me preface by saying that I love Romney. I believe he is an Arnold conservative (i.e liberal on social issues and ambiguous on fiscal issues).

I think Rudy is a strong leader. We need a strong leader in the next four years. Romney comes off as wimpy. He seems weak. He does not project strength. He has no core principles. He blows with the wind. Ahmadinajjad will run circles around Romney. Romney can run in 2012 when we have dealt with Iran. I just don't want Romney to be in office during this crucial times.

People may hate George Bush but all the critics agree on one thing. George Bush is principled. George Bush does not waffle. George Bush does not blow with the wind/polls. George Bush does not read polls.


What Is Romney's Core Principle?
If you look at the other major GOP contenders, what you see is candidates with a core of issues that represent their basic reason for being in public life.

Rudy started off fighting crime, welfare and the other scourges of big-city liberalism, and after September 11 has been a man on a mission to get back at the Islamist extremists who attacked his city.

Fred is a long-time believer in federalism, trying to revive the principles of the 1994 GOP wave that brought him to public office.

McCain is first and foremost a patriot and a warrior, a man who stood for his warrior's code even under torture and imprisonment.

Huckabee is a former Baptist minister who sells himself as the champion of rural, Christian values.

In each case, the pitch works to some extent because there is a lifetime of experience behind it that enables each candidate to say: this is who I am, judge me by the miles I have walked.

What Mitt lacks is that same identifiable core that says "this is why I'm running; these are the things that are really important to me." In fact, if anything he has been placing very heavy emphasis on his social conservatism and hard-line position on immigration - the very issues on which he has flipped most dramatically. The others may be mistrusted by various groups of conservatives, but at least on their core issues, we know Rudy won't sell us out in the battle against Islamic extremists, McCain won't turn his back on the troops, Fred won't buy into some scheme to expand big Washington government, Huckabee won't turn his back on Christian values and the unborn. But there is no faction in the GOP that can say with certainty that Mitt will never sell them out.

Romney's Real Record:
Much of Romney's record is one of battles in which Romney either
(1) did a lot of talking but accomplished nothing,
(2) got steamrolled by the Democrats, or
(3) only discovered the issue as a presidential candidate. Even his ballyhooed, and reasonably well-handled, stands on same sex marriage and stem cell research didn't end in anything like victories.

According to polls, Democrats are going to take more seats in the House and Senate. So we will a president with a backbone. Romney has no backbone. Romney is the type of person that wants to be loved by everyone. We need a leader in '08, not a consultant. He will be steamrolled by the Democrats.

Why I support Mitt
On this and every other article about Mitt, the debate about theology arises. I've read hundreds of posts that go on and on about mormons this and mormons that, as if it had any bearing on the real issues at hand.

Theology aside, I think those critical of Romney need to take another look, and look less at theology and more at how the man has led his life.

Romney's Runs Lika a Democrat on Iraq
I don't trust Romney on Iraq or on foreign policy. He sounds too much like Hillary

1) He wants to consult his lawyers before he decides whether he needs congressional
authorization before attacking Iran. This is exactly the type of thing Hillary would say.

2)His public statements on the Iraq war have consistently left the door open to distancing himself from the war and seeking to accelerate a withdrawal. (Remember his "'apparently' the surge his working" statement? To which McCain responded with "Not 'apparently', it IS working".)It's as if he intends to run against the war in the general election should he win the nom. Something Rudy, McCain or Fred would NEVER do.

3)He has shied away from neocons and instead chosen to consult with critics and skeptics of the war including Gen. Anthony Zinni, Gen. Barry McCaffrey and former NATO commander Joseph Ralston.




Romney exudes strength and competence
RothNRA what are you smoking? To say "Romney comes off as wimpy. He seems weak," you must be wearing blinders.

Why do you think even his critics say he is the most presidential of the bunch? He is solid, competent and strong. He has the energy to press forward to achieve those things to which he is committed.

At least the C/R/J tribunal to which Kevin addresses at least tell half-truths though they be no better than your lies. If you support a rival, be honest. The whole point is that we need to look openly, examine wholly, and end the distortions. It will enable the voter to choose the best candidate for the job.

bizkid
Romney is hiding behind his mormonism. It prevents people from looking into his record. That's his strategy.

Misdirection


There's no need to attack, just compare
We don't need to attack Romney just compare him to Huckabee.

First on the issues and ideas, then on character, leadership, communication ability, vision for America, and ability to unite and bring people together.

Romney is quite decent, but so was GW, the question is do we really want more of the status quo or do we want positive change? If you compare the two, I think most ordinary Americans would agree that Huckabee wins hands down. Just ask yourself which one of these two (or any of the candidates) really has the ability to ppositively surprise and even inspire people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhAO8-vRjHA

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View &Blog_id=597



bizkid
The only other person (apart from you) who brought up the mormon issue is tweaky, another pro-Mitt poster. This underlines my point that Mitt (knowingly) and his supporters (knowingly or unwittingly) use mormonism to obscure his real record or lack thereof.




I am one of
those strident critics of Governor Romney who has endorsed the Governor on my blog. He is the only VIABLE alternative we have to a disastrous Giuliani nomination. And with Vin Weber and Paul Weyrich backing him, I am a little more comfortable, thouhg not entirely so, that he has genuinely converted to the cause of defending all Americans, born and unborn.

Lori: Make your case for Romney
You wrote "He has the energy to press forward to achieve those things to which he is committed"

HE IS NOT COMMITTED TO ANYTHING!! ANT THAT'S MY POINT!!

And he has not demonstrated good government leadership. In fact, he has been a terrible governer.

He allowed the Massachusetts gay lobby to run all over him. He allowed the abortion lobby to run all over him. He allowed himself to be governed.


Make your case for Romney.

What does he stand for? What are his principles? I have explained the principles of the other 4 (I forgot to include Ron Paul and his commitment to the constitution). We know where they stand.

What does Romney stand for. What is this man all about.
So far, his slogan seems to be:
"Vote for Romney: His family is better than yours"


Finally!
Thank your for some straight shooting on Romney.

It's always hard to find because it seems like there's such a NYC media/MSM bias towards a Rudy-Hillary matchup (with Fox News being among the worst offenders).

Anyone else see the interesting bias in the trends between which state polls are being done frequently and which are not?

http://iowansforromney.blogspot.com/2007/11/forces-slanting -polling-trends-to-rudys.html


I welcome the Huckabee--Romney Contrast!
You see Romney can unite fiscal, social, and defense conservatives in a general election. Huckabee, while great and consistent on social issues (which isn't all that impressive being a southern Baptist Minister . . . I mean, was there ever a temptation or reason to be anything but a social conservative?), but he has a horrible record on fiscal issues and on "toughness" for defense issues.

http://www.mymanmitt.com/mitt-romney/2007/10/huckabees-othe r-missing-leg.asp

Jeff Fuller
Huckabee is very likeable. People genuinely like him. Don't underestimate the power of likeability. People who voted for Bush voted for him because he was a person people felt they could go out for a beer. He is genuine.

People get the opposite reaction with Romney.

Neocon Townhall.com disables Youtube
I see how all the other links work except for youtube...Must be some glitch in the system right!!!???

El Toro Pooh Pooh!!!

What are you guys afraid of????


Answer: TRUTH :o))

Honest post on great leader of our times
Tonight on C-SPAN the JFK speech on his religion. Do not know the time yet.I can imagine John Wayne on Face the Nation this morning endorsing Mitt Romney.The Dukes real name is Marion. Do you think he would like you making fun of Mitt's? John Wayne once endorsed Ronald Reagan.Did you know that the Duke was once in a Jesus movie ?Somethings that you just remember.

I thought about supporting him, BUT
His health care plan does sound a little to socialist for me to trust.

While his conversion on abortion seams convienient I might give him a pass on that.

The gay marriage position seams a little shakey, but I'll cut him slack on that two.

BUT when he bragged and I mean bragged about his gun control he pushed that was the final straw. I'm not going to vote for someone that totally tries to redefine conservatism to look like a liberal synthesis. I won't do it for Mayor Guillani, Governor Huckabee, or Senator McCaine either.

While some may not be fair as the columnist claims, what if our critism comes from what he says at the debates how is our critism not fair?

I don't trust people that act like they have their fingers crossed, whether it's Hillery, Guillani, or Romney it doesn't matter to me I can't support any of them.

RothNRA
I know that lots of people are working overtime on this "Romney's not likeable" line of attack. I've met the man and seen him at various small events in Iowa. He is universally liked in those settings (even from some lurking Democrats at the events). He does connect with folks on a personal level. I've seen (and experienced) it myself.

A WSJ reporter who recently interviewed Romney has noticed this "wrap" on Romney, but was convinced otherwise during his ACTUAL experience with him.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=11001 0846

"While some have questioned Mr. Romney's authenticity, the immediate impression he gives is that he speaks straight from the heart.
. . .
The impression he gives in person is not, however, that of a salesman tailoring his message to his audience. It is, instead, precisely the person he described in the opening moments of our meeting: A man who goes first to the data, who refers to what some would call their "core beliefs" as "concepts.""

The Busineess Aspect
A major factor for me that mitigates towards Romney is his experience in turning around businesses. We are in a period that offers opportunituies for leadership to avert a fiscal disaster as entitlements take complete control of government spending. We need someone with real world experience that can go to the American people and explain what is happening, what is going to happen and our realistic options.

I worry that hiring another career politician is going to give us the same results we have had in the past. We need a revolution in the way government works in America. I would prefer that it be driven from the top and peaceful. Revolutions driven from the bottom are sometimes not so peaceful.

The Core Romney

Governor Romney has flipped and flopped on too many issues for too long. This is exactly what Senator Kennedy pointed out in his victorious campaign when running against him. Gov. Romney is equally vulnerable on the national level for the same reasons.
Campaign conversions are not what value voters are interested in. We welcome converts, but do not trust them with the highest office in the land.
Sorry. The Party must pick a trusted conservative, or conservatives will vote Plan B! We should know by March if we have a good Plan A.
Plan B? Duncan Hunter, the likely Constitution Party Candidate!

Thank you Mr. McCullough
For your rare and refreshing opinion of fairness and equity regarding Mr. Romney. It is good to know that there are a few fair minded individuals in this genre conservative/christian genre. There is indeed still hope for some measure of goodness in the land.

How Romney lost me....
Hearing him say his boys are doing more for the country by working to get him elected than they could by being in the military!!! My Daughter served in Iraq. I am sure his sons did their missionary work for the church.... what about the country???

Political Partly distinction
There are plenty of things I don’t like about both parties. There is no Democratic party, it really is the Socialist party. I don't recognize the Republican party either. I am thinking the root cause of this is the American public is pretty mixed up and that gives politicians who want to do nothing but get elected fits, they don't know what to say. How about someone that believes in what they say and intents to do and let the chips fall where they may. Reagan never changed a view because of a poll, he didn't do so badly. Worst than his admirers, better than his detractors, that is just the way it is, nobody has those clear glasses they are all distorted by their own beliefs. If we could throw out everyone in the Congress over two terms and all the present Presidential candidates and start all over again with people that give a damn, we would be doing pretty well.

Address complaints to barrym@tds.net



Unrecognizable parties.
There are plenty of things I don’t like about both parties. There is no Democratic party, it really is the Socialist party. I don't recognize the Republican party either. I am thinking the root cause of this is the American public is pretty mixed up and that gives politicians who want to do nothing but get elected fits, they don't know what to say. How about someone that believes in what they say and intents to do and let the chips fall where they may. Reagan never changed a view because of a poll, he didn't do so badly. Worst than his admirers better than his detractors, that is just the way it is, nobody has those clear glasses they are all distorted by their own beliefs. If we could throw out everyone in the Congress over two terms and all the present Presidential candidates and start all over again with people that care, we would be doing pretty well.

Address complaints to barrym@tds.net

RON PAUL & THE TRUTH
GREAT VIDEO! Do you agree Ron Paul is the most honest candidate running for President?

WATCH

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/ron-paul-2008-dese rves-to-meet-the-press



opps
Sorry for the double post, I thought it didn't come up because it didn't like my language, but I had the order so it came up first not last. Sorry for all the chatter.


John Konop
A fine piece of propaganda. Most of us would agree that government is too big, it is hard to miss and hard to doubt that it should be smaller. Getting back to basic constitutional interpretation is a good thing, so far so good. But I have heard interviews with Ron Paul. He wants to disarm the military, shut down the government totally and dissolve all forms of national taxes and Ron Paul is a total isolationist. Hmmmmmm..... Granted most of these things can not be accomplished by one Presidential Administration but with a Democratic congress who would sure would jump on shutting down the military, that would be easy. Of course getting any Democrat to admit that government is to large would be a big firefight. So we would have a country devoid of National Defense and a congress unwilling to give back the money will spend it on more boondoggle programs. I don’t think Ron Paul is the one, although I can see how if looked at in isolation some people might be fooled.

Although we Republicans have
a very deep bench compared to the dems, the only one with the gravitas to lead this country on ALL issues foreign and domestic is McCain.

McCain will wipe the floor with hellary on the war and use of the military and his 20 year opposition to pork barrel spending contrasts very nicely with her /communist ideas.

We are in a fight for our life on both fronts, the islamos want to kill us outright and the hildabeast wants to tax us to death to support whatever commie ideas she thought up while reading marx and alinsky.

McCain tells it like it is, you may not like what you hear,but you'll hear the same from him today as last year, unlike romney.

There has never been a social program de-funded no matter how useless it has proven to be because they buy votes or they keep cities from being burned down, anything the hildabeast starts will never end and our kids will be doomed as cash-cows forever.

I can see McCain on TV reading from the budget bills and as he says "making the authors of the pork bills famous", hellery will throw them a party and send us the catering bill as well.


I Like Mitt
And may vote for him in the primaries.

We are in the happy circumstance of having several good candidates for President, and of the frontrunners, Romney, Rudy, Fred, or Huckabee, I would be proud to vote for the one who wins the nomination.

I have liked Mitt Romney for President for several years now, and the more I know about him the more I like him.

Trulib
Your observation is a good plus for Romney. My doubts about Rudy and Mitt are strong. If i have to choose, i'll go Mitt, and hope. What a lousy situation, especially with the failure of my hopes for Bush.

Oldrelayer
Oops my good man, Oops. :-D

That's a flat out LIE
RothNRA writes: Sunday, November, 11, 2007 1:49 AM
bizkid
Romney is hiding behind his mormonism. It prevents people from looking into his record. That's his strategy.

Misdirection


WRONG!!
That's a flat out lie, and if you paid attention you'd know it. Mitt Romney very seldom brings up his religion in any of his speeches and/or interviews.
When asked he will talk about it, but not as something that he's trying to hide from or behind.

DOJ refuses to prosecute Romney issues
In 2001 Mitt Romney controlled Bain while Bain acquired the bulk of the assets from the eToys Bankruptcy estate for discounts in the tens of millions.
The law firm of Traub Bonacquist & Fox (TBF) worked for the Creditors and Morris Nichols Arsht & Tunnel (MNAT) worked for the Debtor etoys.
Both were court approved and had to supply affidavits stating they had no conflict of interest. Every time they filed to be paid (which the professionals rec'd over $14 million in fees in etoys) they had to resubmit an affidavit.
Another court approved firm was the liquidation consultant Collateral Logistics Inc (CLI) which was 100% owned by Lawer Haas.
Laser has stated that when he first discovered the possibility of false affidavits he was offered a bribe. Upon turning down the bribe he was threatened to "back off" or not only would CLI and he not be paid, they would destroy his career and come after him for ancient payment issues.

Fraud by Romney's Bain entity

Reporting this to the DOJ attorney resulted in the Justice Dept protecting the well established law firms and the success of the threats against Haas and CLI where the court threw out the claim worth $3 million and repeatedly denying Laser the ability to provide the Court with the proof of wrong doings.
MNAT and TBF even admitted to supplying false affidavits and placing within the Debtor, etoys, a new CEO who was the paid associate of TBF. As this scheme involves more than $300 million in issues, in multiple states, over mutliple years, with multiple firms and parties, besides Perjury, Scheme to Fix Fee's, Failure to disclose an assets, Conspiracy, Obstruction and Intimidation of Victim/Witness, you also have sufficient grounds for a RICO indictment.
For TBF, Gold and MNAT all have failed to disclosue to the Court their connections to Bain/KB Toys which is Collusion to Defraud an estate.
Yet the DOJ all the way from Washington D C and the local US Attorney have refused to prosecute the Bain collusion to defraud an estate issue.
Now it is discovered that the US Attorney for Delaware is Colm F Connolly and Connolly was a partner at MNAT in 2001 before becoming a US Attorney.
Seems it is a good idea to refuse to prosecute your partners, associates and former clients thereof. Especially when one is owned by a Presidential Hopefull, Mitt Romney.
Now that they are "caught" only the press can decided if the story is worthy of "pressing"!

Seawolf
I have read his books and he is a Patriot, I don’t doubt it for one moment. Way before anyone really announced I was for McCain, but he is weak on Borders. Reluctantly said, ok ok, I will build a fence, not exactly convincing. I hate to go against a war hero, I like McCain personally, but don't think he will make a very good President.



My Tyrant aside
I could vote for Romney in the general election, not really keen on Guilani, along with our two Senators from Maine, he goes along side of them in the dictionary for the definition of RINO. I am hoping the country isn't in as dire need of a conservative as I may think, because I don't really see one.

if you like GW, you will love mitty
I don't like what the President has done and Mitt would just be more of the same. So if you want to give up national soverignity, the economy and America, vote for Mitt.

Outstanding job, Laserhaas...........
Always good to know someone has your back when dealing with the liberal Republican shills. Unfortunately, the codes of ethical conduct in the legal and medical professions appear to have been cast aside to foster the liberal agenda. If the legislature ignores the problem like the judiciary, we, the people will eventually have to make that choice............

Remember Bill Cohen?

--- the allegedly Republican Senator from Maine who created the mess that the Maine GOP is today and then became Bill Clinton's Sec of Defense (and presided over the gutting of the military).

Same thing with Romney. Also allegedly a Republican...

Enough said????

I wanted to support Mitt back in '94
.. and being young, actually did. And when Teddy K showed up sober to the debate, Mitt ran away. That after trying to be to the political left of the swimmer.

He made a young Jane Swift (running for Congress then) look competent.

Then he is recruited to rescue us from said Jane Swift in '02. He is handed the nomination and then comes in like the CEO and demands that the party dump the wildly popular Jim Rappaport and instead endorse his blond bimbo for running mate.

He ripps apart the Mass GOP in the process. Rappaport supporters are told to "think about thier own personal political future" and most of the good ones just quit Massachusetts politics.
(Most town committees wind up with thier youngest members being on social security.)

But there is a general consensus - if you (Mitt) are right about having to have a female running mate, then you have got to get back a few seats in the legislature next time around. We will support you if you can get at least a veto-sustaining majority (which we used to have) back in either house in the '04 election. Otherwise, to h*** with you....

And after the MassGOP LOST seats in the '04 election, where Bush got 2/5 of the votes cast for President, Mitt went AWOL and started his Presidential Campaign.

And Mitt supporters need to answer just one question -- if you deducted the personal expenditures of each candidate, who would have been donated what? ALL MITT IS DOING IS BUYING GOOD PRESS - and that an electoral victory does nto make....

I wanted to support Mitt back in '94
.. and being young, actually did. And when Teddy K showed up sober to the debate, Mitt ran away. That after trying to be to the political left of the swimmer.

He made a young Jane Swift (running for Congress then) look competent.

Then he is recruited to rescue us from said Jane Swift in '02. He is handed the nomination and then comes in like the CEO and demands that the party dump the wildly popular Jim Rappaport and instead endorse his blond bimbo for running mate.

He ripps apart the Mass GOP in the process. Rappaport supporters are told to "think about thier own personal political future" and most of the good ones just quit Massachusetts politics.
(Most town committees wind up with thier youngest members being on social security.)

But there is a general consensus - if you (Mitt) are right about having to have a female running mate, then you have got to get back a few seats in the legislature next time around. We will support you if you can get at least a veto-sustaining majority (which we used to have) back in either house in the '04 election. Otherwise, to h*** with you....

And after the MassGOP LOST seats in the '04 election, where Bush got 2/5 of the votes cast for President, Mitt went AWOL and started his Presidential Campaign.

And Mitt supporters need to answer just one question -- if you deducted the personal expenditures of each candidate, who would have been donated what? ALL MITT IS DOING IS BUYING GOOD PRESS - and that an electoral victory does nto make....

See Howie Carr for real Mitt....

Today's Boston Herald or scroll down on Drudge.

The best line is this - and says so much about how Mitt didn't help:

"Mitt’s got the support of most of the local Republican machines, if that’s not an oxymoron nowadays - three sheriffs, three district attorneys, new star Jim Ogonowski (he lost of course, but not by much, and it doesn’t take much to shine in the Mass. Republican firmament these days). Mitt also has all but one of the state reps and two of the five GOP senators (that’s right, there are only five left, and Rudy has the other three)."

Enough said folks???

See Howie Carr for real Mitt....

Today's Boston Herald or scroll down on Drudge.

The best line is this - and says so much about how Mitt didn't help:

"Mitt’s got the support of most of the local Republican machines, if that’s not an oxymoron nowadays - three sheriffs, three district attorneys, new star Jim Ogonowski (he lost of course, but not by much, and it doesn’t take much to shine in the Mass. Republican firmament these days). Mitt also has all but one of the state reps and two of the five GOP senators (that’s right, there are only five left, and Rudy has the other three)."

Enough said folks???

Romney was pro-choice before governor
I live in Massachusetts. I lived in Massachusetts when Romney ran for Senator in 1994, and when Romney was governor.

Romney was pro-choice before he became governor. When he ran against Ted Kennedy for the Senate in 1994, Romney said:

"Abortion should be safe and legal. I sustain and support Roe v. Wade, and the right of a woman to make that choice."

This new claim that Romney was "always" pro-life but was forced as governor of a liberal state to make some compromises, is a LIE (a.k.a. "spin") cooked up by the Romney campaign.

Romney is employing the same cynical tactic that Michael Dukakis did in his own Presidential campaign in 1988: Since much of the country regards Massachusetts as out of the mainstream culturally, Romney (like Dukakis before him) is hoping you won't believe us folks in Massachusetts when we tell you that the man is a phony.

It might well have worked for Dukakis if he hadn't done some stupid things in his campaign that cost him the election.

McCain has beeen bribed
I realize the topic is Mitt but Seawolf has written (7:22AM) that McCain will "lead this country on ALL issues foreign and domestic".

WRONG!

A bribe may be in the form of power, votes or money. Politicians call it a political contribution but Americans recognize it for what it is...a bribe. McCain has sold his soul to the devil and accepted all three to promote the illegal alien invasion.

He was part of the 10 Sneaky Senators who met in the middle of the night to shove Scamnisty down our throats.

Many of the 20 million illegal invaders are honest, hardworking people looking to better themselves. Among those are millions of thugs, theives, dope dealers, rapists, cop killers and child molesters. Illegals have murdered more innocent Americans than the number of troops who have died in Iraq.

McCain was a war hero and we owe him for that and, if elected, he will stand up to Iran, but it won't matter because there will be nothing left of our country if the invaders are left to bankrupt our schools, hospitals, social systems and social security. McCain entices illegals to do just that.

No one that I know would ever vote for McCain and it's time to stop wasting ink on him and concentrate on the remaining viable candidates who won't accept bribes to sell out their country.

Latest New Hampshire Poll

I will stay with my earlier prediction that Ron Paul will finish strong in New Hampshire. My question to GOP insiders do you think because Thompson is trailing Ron Paul and Huckabee is tied in the polls should they be left out of the debate as fringe candidates?

FOX-Romney led all Republicans with 33 percent, followed by former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani with 22 percent and Arizona Sen. John McCain with 13 percent. U.S. Rep. Ron Paul and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee each had 7 percent, with former Tennessee senator Fred Thompson at 5 percent.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/latest-new-hampshi re-poll



Mega Stupidio
The mega evangelical churches are telling their congegations that this guy..

http://www.allreaders.com/pictures/rudy_giuliani_drag.jpg

is more Christian than Mitt. Yes, they will believe anything.

What kind of politician
now says he's against abortion when his record shows otherwise, now says he's against gay marriage when his record shows otherwise, claimed to be a "lifelong hunter" while always holding anti-gun positions?

Mitt Romney.

How can people hold this guy up as a man of strong religious convictions when he's been defying his religion through his entire political career? Are Mormons suddenly pro-abortion and gay marriage? Was he lying to the people of Mass. when he said he was pro-abortion and gay marriage to get elected, or is he lying now to get elected? The answer is BOTH, he's a fraud.


I'd never vote for Mitt either way, but at least I could respect him if he'd be honest about what he REALLY believes, not what he thinks we want him to believe. It's all EGO.

In these perilous times
I just don't care about his views on abortion. They mean nothing if we are dead. Besides, look at the life he has lead, the family he has raised, the scandal free existence and then quarrel about his values and morality.

However, I would refer all of you to a recent WSJ article regarding an interview with him. What is clear is that all of his adult life has been spent (sucessfully) analyzing and problem solving. He acts on facts and analysis. Recall, the brillant but scattered and disorganized 8 years with Bill Clinton. It is probably fortunate that we had no major events calling for quick and concise actions and fortunate for him he had aids who worked dilegently to keep him on track. I will take an intelligent, organized and moral person anytime for president,

What's to comment on..??..
I'll probably as disappointed in Mitt as president as in Bush, but for different reasons. McCain is a no no on immigration, H&ll no. Rudy has bolas, but is a complete freak. Thompson is too old and feeble. I suppose that hot wife has him worn down. Huckabee is a preacher who gives great speeches, but don't leave your house unlocked, it'll all be gone in four years. Hunter is great, and I would love him, but he gets no attention.

Hey, we're back to Romney. He's a manager and can usually be counted on to do the right thing. Can he change the abortion, abortion we have.??. No. Can he do away with gay marriage.??. No. That's a states rights thing. Let San Francisco and Boston do what ever the h&ll they want to do. Would he sign a congressional bill restricting our gun ownership.??. Probably, but it would be done by congress. Do you think Rudy or Thompson or Huckabee wouldn't sign the same bill.??. Damn right they would. Did the USA go Catholic after Kennedy was prez.??. No, and it won't go Mormon after Romney is Prez.

Wake up folks or get Shrillary for prez. Could Giuliani beat Shrillary.??. Maybe. Can Romney beat Shrillary.??. Maybe. Can anybody beat that damn dame.??. Maybe, but not without our help.


loco
There were events calling for quick and concise action, these events occur during every presidency. The only type of action Bill Clinton was quick at was grabbing cash from donors (regardless of nationality) and grabbing women (willing or not).

TruLib
I had momentarily forgotten those quick actions you cite. However, we know at the Oaklohoma bombng he showed how he could empathize by the tears he is able to produce at will along with the lip biting. But how would he have done after 9/11 abd events of that magnatude? When Isama Bin Laden was giving evidence of a threat to our nation, Clinton dismissed him as a rich nuisance (Read the Looming Tower)and failed to act in a way that might have prevented the emergence of Al Queada and the bombing of the towers.

Romney
I trust Mitt Romney only slightly more than I would trust a Republican who could win the election for mayor in San Francisco. His Mormonism is no issue with me. Mormon's are fine conservatives for the most part.

What concerns me is that he is trusted by the Northeast power elite enough to have been elected governor of Massachussetts of all places. The American power elite is concentrated in the Northeast and Washington D.C. areas. They are powerful to block any politician that they do not want.

Through my life, I have learned to distrust opportunists who change their tune as conditions change that affect them. When it is smart to be one way, so are they, and when it is smart to then be another way for whatever reason, so are they suddenly.

Mitt Romney is just such an opportunist. And so are Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson. Even John McCain falls into this catagory with his now far more conservative position on illegal immigration because it damaged his campaign.

Folks, there are two conservatives that fit the bill for fiscal, social, and Christian conservatives. The Northeast power elite (Council on Foreign Relations, etc.) do not want them raining on their rino and globalist agendas so they are second tier.

They are Tom Tancredo, Republican of Colorado and Duncan Hunter, Rupublican of California. Support them, send them money, and then vote for for one of them and not the darlings of our elites and their wholly owned mainstream media, Go on the internet and learn the truth of this election.

READING THE TEA LEAVES BY COLOSSUS

.....Romney wins Ia., N.H., Mi., and S.C. ...Thompson drops out after finishing second in S.C. ...all drop out except Giulani and it is a two way race until Romney gains the required electoral votes to win the nomination ...

.....Romney trounces Hillary in the National election effectively ending the Clintons as a potent political force ...

...Hillary keeps her Senate seat in N.Y. ...
...Giulani is nominated for Attorney General ...
...Hunter is nominated for Homeland Security
...Tancredo gives up his seat in Congress
...McCain decides not to run for re-election ...
...Ron Paul supporters talk about a third party .

...Stevens retires from SCOTUS and Romney appoints Ted Olsen ...

.....And that's the way it oughta be .....COLOSSUS

gotta agree here...
re:
onceamarine writes: Sunday, November, 11, 2007 10:57 AM

Rudy and Shrillary are ABSOLUTELY verboten, and an obscure Congressman like Hunter or Ron Paul cannot get traction... we have elected one sitting member of Congress since Harding in JFK, and ol' Joe K. bought that one with corruption.

On the critical issue of ILLEGAL aliens, Mitt is at least SAYING the right things. People get too hung up worrying about guns, abortion, and gay marriage... and Mitt ain't gonna' make me a Mormon. The Huckster would not do even for VEEP-- he is a RINO and lover of ILLEGALS.

I have vowed not to vote again for the lesser evil-- got stung badly by Presidente Jorge-- but politics is ultimately about some consensus, about the art of the possible and feasible... I am warming to Mitt.

John W.
You hit the nail on the head. That's what bothers me about Romney. So he's had an "enlightenment" and become more of a true conservative in the last several years. Hmmm. Interesting timing. Just wrapping up his governorship in MA and now headed to the national venue where his leftward ways that were so necessary to swoon MA voters wouldn't be so palatable to the rest of the country.

His sounds to me suspiciously like a conversion of expediency, not a conversion of the heart.

I get the strong impression that there is a spinmeister behind Romney, not authentic ideology. These guys who exude warmth, sincerety, and credibility are often the scariest. Pathological liars and sociopaths often have similar traits.

Face It!
ALL of them have flipped so much and on so many things, that I no longer care to try to keep up. Other than Hunter, Tancredo, and RP They all change their tunes so much they probably have staff to tell them what they stand for or against on any day of the week and depending on their local! Face it, all politicians lie to some extent to get elected, but I swear this bunch must sleep in flippers!

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

Baseball Doc

I like your style. It might not be far from reality.

Tea leaves be damned, I think you're pretty close. If there is one thing Romney is, it's practical. And he is not a man who likes to lose or lose face. I think he plays fair and plays fairly well.

You know being from Texas can be a blessing or a curse. I have that unusual ability, but very naturally, not a put on, to change accents according to who I am talking with, and one day our assistant sales manager was traveling with me in N.E. Texas, like maybe Tyler, and he says to me, M, you' really shouldn't fake that Texas accent with this people.

Well, I looked over the steering wheel of my diesel F250 supercab, agriculture clients, and said, C, if I'm from Texas, which is my real accent, the one you know out of state or this one.??. He never uttered a word about it again.

Now I don't think Mitt Romney is half as liberal as some want to paint him. But he would be a damn poor politician if he didn't play just a little liberal in Massachusetts. If Massachusetts was like Rhode Island, some might suggest setting off dynamite charges along the land border side and floating what remained out in to deep Atlantic waters.

Now having been governor of Massachusetts is no recommendation to me except that I am believing he must be a pretty conservative albeit objective guy, and to get along in his home state he must be a considerable contortionist and still have reasonably conservative principles. I "think" Mitt Romney could be a pretty good prez, and a better one than the other "leading" candidates of either party.

Folks, we're going to get a new Prez in about a year come h&ll or high water. Take your druthers down to the voting booth and bury them.


pro-life vs pro-choice
All the posters do not see a distinction between a moral position and a legal position.

For egs, many xians are against pre marital sex, but I assume would not want to make that it a matter of law; that is the crime of fornication.

SO one make a distinction between morally against abortion, but see it as an issue that the govt should not force people into,

A catholic priest from Mass, father Drinan, personally finding abortion morally repulsive yet voted as congressman for pro choice legislation.

Two practicing catholics SCOTUS justices, Brennan and Kennedy are pro-life personally but vote pro-choice on Roe and CAsey.

Some conservatives are not able to make he distinction just as way back the religious right fought to make birth control illegal. That has changed.

It is important to see the distinction. What some pro-life should concentrate on is not the law, but changing how people feel morally and not attempt to use law when the population is pro choice as seen in a red state S Dak which voted down a ban on abortion.

Be like the early xians who use moral persuasion to convert; it is only when they got power that they abused it. Dont follow that example.

Massachusetts Constitution?
Keying on McCullough's insistence that it would be executive tyranny for a governor to refuse to enforce a judicial verdict:

Not so fast. There are arguments to be made on both sides, and I certainly won't suggest McCullough is being a wimp, or that Romney was, when faced with the high-handedness of the Mass. Supreme Court.

But it's a relatively modern tradition to interpret executive responsibility as being to enforce whatever comes out of the judiciary, rather than having the option to act as a counterweight to it.

The rule of law could still have been served if Romney had refused to act on or enforce the judicial decision. The judicial branch has no hammer over the executive in that case -- and if the LEGISLATURE considered it important for the judicial decision to be executed, then the LEGISLATURE would have had to take the question up.

That's where the issue belonged in the first place. I wonder if the outcome would have been different, if the state legislature had had to approach the matter on those terms. Forcing Romney's hand, with a revision to state law, would have been a different political proposition from reversing the court while Romney was enforcing the court's ruling.

It's at least food for thought.

www.evangelicalsformitt.org
http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org

NH/FL polls
Two new polls have Romney in good shape in NH.

On the Republican side, Marist shows Romney extending his lead, Paul moving up and Thompson falling back into sixth place:

Republicans (w/leaners)
Romney 34 (+7 vs. last poll in Oct)
Giuliani 23 (+2)
McCain 13 (-4)
Paul 7 (+5)
Huckabee 7 (-1)
Thompson 5 (-5)
Undecided 12 (-3)

There's also a Boston Globe/UNH poll in New Hampshire (Nov 2-7, 404 likely Republican Primary Voters, MoE +/-4.9%)

For the Republicans, Romney leads Giuliani by 12,and Fred Thompson is barely even registering with New Hampshire Republicans:

Republicans
Romney 32 (no trend)
Giuliani 20
McCain 17
Paul 7
Huckabee 5
Thompson 3
Undecided 16

The St. Petersburg Times is out with a new poll in Florida (Nov 4-7, 800 registered voters,+ or - 5.5% for the Republican primary).

For the Republicans, it's more bad news for Fred Thompson who is running a distant 5th in the SPT poll. Giuliani leads Romney by 17 points.

Republicans
Giuliani 36
Romney 19
McCain 12
Huckabee 9
Thompson 8

Romney is now 2nd and closing in FL.

good analyses here
onceamarine writes: Sunday, November, 11, 2007 12:32 PM

AND HERE:
onceamarine writes: Sunday, November, 11, 2007 10:57 AM

*************************************************

AND HERE...

baseballdoc writes: Sunday, November, 11, 2007 11:36 AM
READING THE TEA LEAVES BY COLOSSUS

.....Romney wins Ia., N.H., Mi., and S.C. ...Thompson drops out after finishing second in S.C. ...all drop out except Giulani and it is a two way race until Romney gains the required electoral votes to win the nomination ...

.....Romney trounces Hillary in the National election effectively ending the Clintons as a potent political force ...

...Hillary keeps her Senate seat in N.Y. ...
...Giulani is nominated for Attorney General ...
...Hunter is nominated for Homeland Security
...Tancredo gives up his seat in Congress
...McCain decides not to run for re-election ...
...Ron Paul supporters talk about a third party .

...Stevens retires from SCOTUS and Romney appoints Ted Olsen ...

.....And that's the way it oughta be .....COLOSSUS

Agreed Seawolf
no other candidate has the depth, the heroism, and the courage that McCain doesn. Unfortunately, I suspect he is too decent and honorable of a man to engage in the the nastiness that politics has become today.

Two man canoe
It is looking more like a 2 man race. Romney has broken 30 on the Vegas odds. Rudy 42, Romney 30 and Ron Paul at 7+, the rest are lower.

The Kerik scandal could tighten this some more.

Polls
Hey, let’s go ask that guy with the Rudy button who he’s for! No wait let’s go ask the guy with the Mitt bumper sticker! That is what polls are worth. I believe them as far as I can throw the person that it is taking them. A lot of major media are the ones doing most of the polls, and we already know who there voting for.

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

Laser Haas
For years we stayed away from the issue that Mitt Romney has benefited from $300 million in fraud.
KB Toys became separate from Consolidated (Big Lots) in 2000. There is a Harvard study for Ropes n Gray law firm. The law firms of TBF and MNAT both had undisclosed connections to Bain/KB and MNAT even continues to work for Bain in the KB Toys bankruptcy while TBF works for the creditors of KB.
In both eToys and KB Toys bankruptcy cases more than $100 million in preferential payments went out right before the bankruptcy filing to parties that TBF and MNAT are connected to. Anyone can see the case of In re Bucyrus 94-20786 (E D Wisc 1994) to see how the firm Milbank and Tweed was disgorged their entire $1.9 million, lost a lawsuit of $30 million and Gellene, the counsel who signed the Perjury document went to Jail.

Somebody ban the Ron Paul nazi's from TH
The people who support ron paul are not republicans and neither is ron paul. They are leftist anti American anarchists. Ron Paul is openly supported by Storm Front a neo nazi group and ron does not disavow them because he is in fact a german nazi anti semite and blames all of our problems on Israel. Worse still he said in the last debate that America does not need to become energy independent! The traitor ron paul is not working for the best interests of this country and his sick 9/11 conspiracy pychopathic followers should be banned from this site!

Sorry
But from what I see I think Hillary will win if mitt or rudy gets the Nom. A lot of people will never vote for either of the top two RINO’s. And their relgion or if they wear dresses does not matter. If either of them gets the Nom. I hope RP runs the 3rd party because I would vote for him over mittary, or rudary.

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

Hagar
Or the ones who want to take other peoples freedom of speech. Ever heard of it? I ain't crazy about RP either, but I would vote for him over all the communist running for office!

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

Go Mitt
It's so clear. Governor Romney holds a viable good shot at winning. So, those who don't want him "for religious or other reasons" suddenly come out of the woodwork to attempt to slam him.

Why else would you anti-Mitt personalities be wasting you blog time?????????????

I do indeed hope Gov. Romney is our next President. He'll be a superb example & leader for America and all the world as well...

Jerry

Romney Book Recommendation
To all those wondering what the Romney skeptics and half-truthers are talking about here, try the new book:

_ Mitt Romney: The Man, His Values, and His Vision_, by Lisa Ray Turner and Kimberly Field.

You can get it at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Mitt-Romney-Man-Values-Vision/dp/1600 651097/ref=sr_1_1/105-4615935-8809263?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1 194817876&sr=8-1

Turner & Field dissect Romney's abortion 'flip' (there's never been any flops) and look in detail at Romney's governorship. One of the enlightening aspects of their discussion is when they show how those 4 years that could have been so much better if only the Dems hadn't been so bull-headed.

Jerry writes:
Why else would you anti-Mitt personalities be wasting you blog time?????????????

IMO he's a flipper that's why.

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

Choosing by Advantages!!!
From the article...
"If one is going to compare a present candidate's positions to a seemingly contradictory record - it is important and only fair for that candidate's explanation be heard as to the discrepancies."

I totally agree. Having read Hugh Hewitts book, I am very impressed by Romney but I wouldn't throw rocks at most of the other cantidates either.

Like Doc, I like Hunter but I am quite dissapointed in Tancredo for the fact that he will not run again for the house. I used to like Thompson but he did pretty much the same thing when he vacated his senate seat and frankly, he just didn't show me much in the debates.


Choosing by Advantages!!! cont.
Rudy was great on getting crime under control in NYC and getting rid of the sex shops in Times Square. He is a LOT more liberal than I am but he could nevertheless be a good and effective president.

Huckabee is a good guy but his position on the illegals is just not at all acceptable to me. On that issue, he is way too liberal. Just like GWB.

I don't want to offend anyone, but I think Ron Paul is a NUTCAKE! I heard him interviewed on Michael Medved's show and was TOTALLY unimpressed. I think his chance of winning in the general election is effectively -0-. His supporters are enthusiastic but they are a small club.

So, of those that can win in the general, that leaves Rudy, Mitt, Huckabee and Hunter (if his campaign ever catches fire) and Thompson (if he is resurected to be among the living).

So... to choose by advantages, let's consider Mitt, Rudy, Huckabee, Hunter, Thompson and Paul.

The cantidate will have to be conservative, but not so conservative that he cedes the middle ground (where elections are won or lost) to the Democrats. Fringe cantidates lose. Hillary will try to run to the center, so...


Choosing by Advantages!!! cont.
Advantage number 1. Can win the general elect:
Mitt: yes
Rudy: yes
Huckabee: yes maybe
Hunter: maybe, but a dark horse
Paul: no and probably can't get nomination

so, for now, that leaves Mitt, Rudy and Huckabee

Advantage number 2. Would appoint good judges
Mitt, Rudy, Huckabee: probably all yes

Advantage number 3. Would control borders:
Mitt: yes Rudy: maybe Huckabee: no

Advantage number 4. Strong on family, marriage, right to life:
Mitt: yes Huckabee: yes Rudy: no

Advantage number 5. Expert at management:
Mitt: yes Rudy: yes Huckabee: no

Advantage number 6. Can stand up to terrorism:
Mitt: yes Rudy: yes Huckabee: probably

Can trim the size of government and taxes:
Mitt: yes Rudy: yes Huckabee: probably not

Add whatever advantages you wish, we have a deep bench, but I think Mitt stands out.

Mitt
Doc writes: (About Governor Romney)

IMO is a flipper that's why.

Doc; with a name like yours (Doc), I'd hope you'd fortunatly soon learn what a "flipper" really is! Hint: It has to do with ones' teeth...

Seriously, good luck to you Doc. No ill meant your way-really. Just-a-kidding with you.

I'll likely not write another blog here, but between you others and my own personal feelings, whether any of us do or do not want Mitt Romney as our next President, in all actuality he definatly does indeed have a very formidable potential of being our next President-certainly greater than you or I.

I personally like Gov. Romney. But, I'll take any Republican (Except Ron Paul) over any Democrat.

Jerry-

Mitt has Core Principles
SteveL/NRARoth????

You've got to be kidding if you think Mitt doesn't have core principles. Anyone who is faithful to their wife and family for 38 years has the most important, TRUE core principles anyone can have. It permeates who they are. Let me see, out of the 4 Repub leaders of the pack who has never been divorced? Oh yeah, Romney. Who has a great family life and 5 children who are willing to sacrifice their all to support their Dad in his run (people who know him best...) Oh yeah, Romney. You can't fake a good family by the way--you can have great parents and turn out brats, but if they all turn out good...that's not by chance. I would say it is impossible.

Who has the record of most accomplishment in all areas of his life (personal, professional, government)...Oh yeah, Romney.

Mitt has been attacked as a flip-flopper (and I believe the majority of these folks only use this to shield their true bigotry against Mormons) even though EVERY candidate has changed their mind at least once on major issues in their career. He told the gay community in '94 he would never approve of gay marriage--he only opposes unjust civil discrimination against gays (marriage never being considered a gay civil right).

He fought for pro-life issues every step of the way while governor of MA--the legislature overruled him (85% Democrat--what was he supposed to do?). His actions speak louder than his words (which are mis-construed and only half the story is espoused most of the time). Gregg Jackson followers are not intellectually honest, and that is McCullough's point in this article. Jackson, and I would say the majority of Anti-Mitt folks have an axe to grind, and hide hidden agendas.

Understand--I know Mitt is not without his flaws, but he's the best of the bunch if you truly shop around. That's it. End of story.

JT

RothNRA an invitation to study up
Why should I make the case for Romney when he has made it for himself?

So study up if you want to know what are his strengths, values and vision for America.

https://www.mittromney.com/Issue-Watch/Strategy

Lori
Are you seriously sending me to Romney's website? I can't say I blame you. Is it near-impossible to articulate Mitt's everchanging positions.

What is with this Mormon thing?
Didn't we stop this crapola in 1960?

Anybody know that a vote for JFK would have us answering to the Pope?

I don't care if the man is a Druid.

Will he defend our borders and get this great country back on track?

JT
You wrote:"....Who has a great family life and 5 children who are willing to sacrifice their all to support their Dad in his run..."

Do you really wanna go there? Do you really wanna bring up Romney's unpatriotic sons?


Five sons, (FIVE!!!), and not one in the military. Not one serving this country in any capacity whatsoever, except to promote the self interest of their father. This says a lot about Romney's parenting and the kind of values and priorities he has instilled in his children.

McCain's son is fighting in Iraq
Duncan Hunter's son just came back from Iraq
John Biden's son(Beau Biden)is about to be deployed.

Do you really wanna go there?

I have more respect for a twice-married McCain, a low-polling Hunter and a democrat Biden. At least they instilled in their children good values: love of country.

Jerry
No I am no Doc but my point being from what I have read or know of the three is "6 of one-half dozen of the other" Not much difference in the three. Not to put to fine a point on it but I want the border closed for this reason:
http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/2007/09/_islamic_terror ists_arrested_a.html
and I will keep my guns even if they have to bury them with me. Just how I feel.

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

RothNRA
What should he do, put a gun to the kid's heads and tell them to sign up?

In case no one has told you, we do not have a draft right now. Some people are way more effective in civilian life.


katy
JT opened that Pandora's box by stating that Mitt's five sons are somehow more superior/better than the rest of the presidential candidate's children.

It's that type of condenscending attitude (Vote for me, my family is better than yours) that turns a lot of people off.



YEAH, I REALLY wanna go there
RothNRA writes: Sunday, November, 11, 2007 6:56 PM
JT
You wrote:"....Who has a great family life and 5 children who are willing to sacrifice their all to support their Dad in his run..."

Do you really wanna go there? Do you really wanna bring up Romney's unpatriotic sons?



OK ROTH,
You say Romney's sons are "unpatriotic" because they're not in the military?
So tell us Roth, how many sons do you have, and how many of them are in the military?

Then tell us where it is a requirement, or law, that the sons of a man running for President must join the military?

Then tell us all about how A MAN WHO WAS PRESIDENT, was not only a draft dodger, but also went to the MOSCOW, while it was still the center of the Soviet Union, and made a speech against his own country.

THEN tell us again, how Romney's sons are "unpatriotic."

RothNRA
That dog won't hunt. Enlisting is a personal decision.

Supporting your father is also a wonderful decision.


JT said no such thing
RothNRA writes: Sunday, November, 11, 2007 7:45 PM
katy
JT opened that Pandora's box by stating that Mitt's five sons are somehow more superior/better than the rest of the presidential candidate's children.



Ok Roth, this is what JT said:
JT writes: Sunday, November, 11, 2007 5:40 PM
Mitt has Core Principles
SteveL/NRARoth????

You've got to be kidding if you think Mitt doesn't have core principles. Anyone who is faithful to their wife and family for 38 years has the most important, TRUE core principles anyone can have. It permeates who they are. Let me see, out of the 4 Repub leaders of the pack who has never been divorced? Oh yeah, Romney. Who has a great family life and 5 children who are willing to sacrifice their all to support their Dad in his run (people who know him best...) Oh yeah, Romney.
End of quote

Ok, NOW, tell us exactly where in there do you see JT saying that Romney's kids are "superior/better than the rest of the presidential candidate's children."

The CORRECT answer is, HE DIDN'T say that. You're a liar. The proof is right in front of your face.

Marine's Dad
I am taking exception to this statement (I have capitalized the troubling quote for emphasis):

"Who has a great family life and 5 children who are willing TO SACRIFICE THEIR ALL to support their Dad in his run.."

That is what bothered me about JT's post. I found it really troubling. SACRIFICING THEIR ALL???? HEAR THAT????? Campaigning for one's dad does not 'sacrificing one's all' make. Risking your life for your country (i.e Beau Biden, Jack McCain and Duncan Duane Hunter) IS SACRIFICING THEIR ALL.

If you don't find JT's poor choice of words offending, then you and I have very different values and we should just agree to disagree.

I find nothing offensive in what he said
RothNRA writes: Sunday, November, 11, 2007 8:13 PM
Marine's Dad
I am taking exception to this statement (I have capitalized the troubling quote for emphasis):

"Who has a great family life and 5 children who are willing TO SACRIFICE THEIR ALL to support their Dad in his run.."


Nothing at all.
I may not agree that their sacrifice is potentially as great as those of Biden, McCain, and Hunters sons, but there is nothing offensive about it.
I have a son who is currently deployed in Iraq, so I'd have reason to be offended, IF I chose to be. Which I don't.

We all have different ideas about what a sacrifice is.
Maybe Romney's kids consider giving up part of their personal lives to help their father run for president is a big sacrifice.

MAYBE JT just thinks it is, or he thinks Romneys' sons think that way.
But not joining the military DOES NOT make ones sons "unpatriotic."

Marine's Dad
You wrote:
"Maybe Romney's kids consider giving up part of their personal lives to help their father run for president is a big sacrifice."


Exactly.

I rest my case.





A Vote for Rudy is a Vote for Hillary!
Rudy will nominate liberals to the supreme court. Nothing that these frozen with fear former conservatives say will change that. Except for the fact that Rudy will not nominate anyone because Rudy will not win. While mayor Rudy nominated over 100 judges and most of them were liberals. You ought to learn from history. Check this out.

Here are some red state results for 2004.
Texas:Bush 61.09% Kerry 38.22%
Arkansas:Bush 54.31% Kerry 44.55%
Louisiana:Bush 56.72% Kerry 42.22%
Florida:Bush 52.10% Kerry 47.09%
Tennessee:Bush 56.80% Kerry 42.53%

Now here are some results for Dole in 1996.
Texas:Dole 48.76% Clinton 43.83% Perot 6.75%
Arkansas:Dole 36.80% Clinton 53.74% Perot 7.90%
Louisiana:Dole 39.94% Clinton 52.01% Perot 6.91%
Florida:Dole 42.32% Clinton 48.02% Perot 9.12%
Tennessee:Dole 45.59% Clinton 48.00% Perot 5.59%

And that is just with Dole! Rudy is even more of a slap in the face than he was! Rudy will be a complete Hillary Clinton victory! Get on board a stop Rudy effort before it is too late! Please stop this nonsense!

Mitt Romney
The ferocious criticism of Romney -- the likes of which we don't see towards any other Republican candidate -- seems odd and out of place and leads one to wonder if these critics are harboring a dislike of the governor based on something else. The fact is that Romney governed Massachusetts about as conservatively as a Republican could possibly do. Imagine what he would have accomplished with even a modicum of Republican support in the legislature. And as for the man being wimpy? Rather, he is a God-fearing, optimistic, and humanitarian individual who has no need to strutt, threaten, or stare down. That is not wimpiness; on the contrary it is a strength that few candidates bring to the table in the 21st century and the kind of strength that will stand up to Iran's crazy man, Chavez, and a host of others that are sure to come out of the global woodwork.

TNBoy
Of the 36 lawyers Romney nominated, 23 were registered Democrats or independents who donated to Democratic candidates or voted in Democratic primaries.

Two appointees supported expanding gay rights.

Romney passed over GOP lawyers in favor of liberal democrats.


RothNRA
Just because someone is in the military or has served doesn't make them fit for office any more than someone who has not served. It is the same with their offspring. Just because someone's kid is serving doesnt mean they qualify any more than another candidate whose kid(s) havent served. I respect anyone who has served, but I dont think that qualifies anyone to be President of the free world. If you think Romney is a turdburgler for saying what he said, that is your opinion. Im sure there were more than two people that heard what he said. I got something totally different from it. I am currently in the National Guard, if I ran for public office in the future, I'd answer the question very similarly, his sons are no more or less patriotic, than those serving the country. Romneys kids are involved in the political process, they have families of their own, they are not MTV bratty, whiney, generation X, America hating turds. I've seen alot of dirtbags in the military that are there for the wrong reasons. I hope that the Army will actually bring back basic training instead of creating a college like atmosphere. If one must serve in the military in order to be considered a patriot, or a president, or the son of a candidate,one might consider China, and I dont think a mandatory military is the answer.


my self
I don’t hate mitt, I don’t care if he wears pink underwear that’s his business. I will not vote for some who is soft on illegal immigration. and will not close our border. We already know rudy will not and neither of them can have my guns. Now if people are supposed to vote their conscience, how can I vote for either in good conscience?

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)

Roth
Thanks for the info. My top choices for prez would be Huckabee, Hunter or Tancredo. My opinion on Romney is that he would be someone to consider, unlike Rudy Giuliani who I could not vote for. Thompson and McCain have been antagonists on some important issues, so it is not a sure thing with them. Ron Paul sounds great except for his internation views(go ahead and blow up our allies). Ron Paul has also been an antagonist on keeping the militant homosexual agenda under control. Then there is Rudy Giuliani who would completely destroy the GOP chances for president and the chances of getting my vote and the vote of millions of others who normally vote GOP.

Note that Rudy Giuliani is the only one that I have said for absolute certain that I will not vote for.

Big G
Perhaps you didn't understand my original post to JT. Let's try this again, shall we:

JT: Mitt Romney should be president because he has a nice family including 5 sons who are SACRIFICING THEIR ALL by campaigning for their dad.

ME: Campaigning for one's dad is not the 'SACRIFICING ONE'S ALL'. Fighting for your country IS sacrificing one's all. Jack McCain, Beau Biden, and Duane Hunter. Heroes.


JT is suggesting that Mitt Romney's family is better than the others'. I am saying it is not.

Romney is a radical liberal activist
Please consider this:

If you do not want Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama to be the next leaders of the United States of America, than it follows,

you do not want Mitt Romney.

http://massresistance.org/romney/

YouTube, romneyrecord
(videos in his own words)

If you refuse to look into his past statements and actions, than you actually may deserve what you get. But please, countrymen, do not sentence us to this evil fate.

RothNRA--you missed my point
RothNRA--the whole point in my post was NEVER to say that Romney's kids are BETTER than the other candidates. The point was a response to your initial post that Romney had no core values/no center, so to speak, and that he might "sell us out". You said "what you see is candidates with a core of issues that represent their basic reason for being in public life". You stated Romney had no "core issue". His core issue is that he wants to make America a better place for his children and grandchildre, with a strong military, a strong economy, and strong families. I pointed out that he does have values or a core--look at his family. You cannot claim someone doesn't stand for something when the evidence is right in front of you. The fact that his children are willing to put their lives on hold says alot about what they think of their father. All of his boys are married and have families of their own, several of them have put their careers on hold.

I am Active Duty Air Force and have sacrificed to leave my family for months at a time on several deployments over the past years. Never once have I thought less of someone because they chose not to serve in the military. Serving in the military is only one act of service someone can perform for their country. While I honor, reverence and respect all who put their lives on the line, I do not begrudge or think myself any better than those who serve in other ways. I love this country and support anyone who truly wants to make it better for my children and my children's children.

JT


(R)adical libe(R)als, (R)omney is Chief
My friends in the radio business have failed to recognize the radical liberals running for president
as "Republicans."

Townhall refuses to engage the subject of Romney's radical left agenda, and attempted to frame only debate about mormonism.

My fellow countrymen, I turn to you in this hour. You must see who and what these Republicans are--libe(R)als with an (R), and YOU are the only ones standing in their way. Do not parrot your trusted talk show hosts, you will have a parrot's reward.

Huckabee is an excellent candidate. Hunter is fine. Die doing the right thing! God may give us victory. He uses small things.

JT pt 1
Read my original post again:

What Is Romney's Core Principle?
If you look at the other major GOP contenders, what you see is candidates with a core of issues that represent their basic reason for being in public life.

Rudy started off fighting crime, welfare and the other scourges of big-city liberalism, and after September 11 has been a man on a mission to get back at the Islamist extremists who attacked his city.

Fred is a long-time believer in federalism, trying to revive the principles of the 1994 GOP wave that brought him to public office.

McCain is first and foremost a patriot and a warrior, a man who stood for his warrior's code even under torture and imprisonment.

Huckabee is a former Baptist minister who sells himself as the champion of rural, Christian values.

In each case, the pitch works to some extent because there is a lifetime of experience behind it that enables each candidate to say: this is who I am, judge me by the miles I have walked.

What Mitt lacks is that same identifiable core that says "this is why I'm running; these are the things that are really important to me." In fact, if anything he has been placing very heavy emphasis on his social conservatism and hard-line position on immigration - the very issues on which he has flipped most dramatically. The others may be mistrusted by various groups of conservatives, but at least on their core issues, we know Rudy won't sell us out in the battle against Islamic extremists, McCain won't turn his back on the troops, Fred won't buy into some scheme to expand big Washington government, Huckabee won't turn his back on Christian values and the unborn. But there is no faction in the GOP that can say with certainty that Mitt will never sell them out.

Oh Good Grief!!!!
Romney's sons are not running, MITT IS.

The comment was made that he has a good family. He has not only a good family, he has an exemplery family. Even Reagan had more problems with his kids than Romney has. Maybe, just maybe he is a good dad. He also seems to be a good husband. Doesn't even cheat on his wife! Imagine!

I have looked at the U Tube clips and I have listened to Mitt being interviewed and questioned. as McCullough said in his article...

"And one who does not allow both sides of the story to be told is in essence only telling half the story, and half truths, are in fact not truth at all."

I believe Mitt Romney to be a man of integrity and all things considered, maybe the most "Reagan-like" of the cantidates.

Like Doc, I also like Hunter very much, but he just hasn't gotten any traction, even with his own party, up to this point. Maybe the early primaries will tell a different story, if not, lets all get behind one man and beat the Chappaqua Horror. I could be wrong,m but I think Mitt Romney is that man.



RothNRA--you made my point
You said, speaking of the other candidates reasons for running and their pitches "In each case, the pitch works to some extent because there is a lifetime of experience behind it that enables each candidate to say: this is who I am, judge me by the miles I have walked."

Mitt is a family man, that's who he is, and those are the miles he has walked. He's a man who is new to politics, relatively speaking. His pitch is to make America a better place for families through promoting a stronger military, a stronger economy and the promotion of stronger family values.

You intone he is not sincere in his committments or conversions. His record has been one of consistent conservatism all the way (twisted rhetoric notwithstanding). I said the greatest evidence of his sincerity is the integrity he displays in his relationships. Most, if not all who have met him personally agree.

JT

Caution: extreme liberal Romney(R)
Mitt Romney rejected the marriage ammendment in Mass. He claimed it went too far, and was
"unnecessary."

Mitt Romney has claimed he would "do more than Ted Kennedy."

Mitt Romney is a radical liberal on gun control and has given MA the only universal health care in the country, which gives benefits to illegals.

This is not twisted rhetoric folks. Look at the record. Recent conversions are fine, but his are so many, and so recent, you must have some sense that this is a hastey, foolish choice for a Republican nomination.

aDNA--sources
aDNA--you ARE bringing up twisted rhetoric. You selectively choose half pieces of dialogue to support your opinions. You've got to put your arguments in context--that's the point of this article--did you read it? Providing context and full dialogue helps if you want to make a point.

Mitt Romney was and is for the marriage amendment. He fought for it valiantly but was overturned by the 85% Democratic legislature in MA. You have to put into context things he actually supported and things that he fought against but was overturned on despite his best efforts.

Mitt Romney claimed he would "do more than Ted Kennedy" regarding what?

He supported a ban on some automatic weapons, but I don't think that makes him anti-NRA. I support the NRA, but I think a reasonable line has to be drawn in some cases.

I would encourage YOU to actually look at HIS voting and work record, not what happened in a state with an 85% Democratic legislature, while he fought to stem the tide of taxes and further liberalism.

I think I mentioned before that I don't think Romney walks on water--he's got faults, just like all of them, but after looking at them all--he's the best of the bunch, IMO.

JT

RothNRA
Given the available evidence, your analysis of Romney is reasonable and credible. I do agree that he uses Mormonism to keep the focus off his record. That jibes with the latest news that his staff is opposed to him making any religious statements - keeping it in the background allows them to use the 'bias' angle to 'guilt-trip' people into supporting him.

Among his accomplishments, he's cited as the 'savior' of the Salt Lakes Olympics. That's an excellent indication of what he is - A Deal Maker.

In the business world, this is considered highly respectable but in the politics of this country, at this particular moment, we do not need a 'deal maker'.

Bush tried to be a deal maker with the dem/lib/leftists using his 'new tone' compassionate conservatism, and he failed miserably. The left always goes into a negotion with the principle, what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable. Bush came off looking like a dupe and a fool if not a down right liberal. He fought for nothing very strenuously.

IMO, this is what we could expect from Romney: more deals that make him look good like he's accomplihing something, but will, in fact, take this nation further left toward socialism. As to judges, he'll fold like a lawn chair.

While I agree with your Romney analysis, I do not buy your pitch for Giuliani. Sure he's a tough who'd fight the Islamic Fascists, but I wouldn't trust him not to sign a dem sponsored, anti 2nd amendment, gun confiscation piece of legislation, appoint conservative SC Justices or oppose more expansion of the federal/police state gov't.
__________
Kudos to the others here who have also offered, well reasoned pro-Romney rebuttal. For republicans, there's still time to come up with someone other than a media selected candidate.

Get this scenario
McCullough writes:

"My only wish is that they would do so with more transparency, much more honesty, and understand what's at stake if the clearest option to the Obama/Clinton ticket is not the nominee."

I had to read that a couple times to make sure it was the right order - it gave me a laugh.

It gave me a laugh. While I might imagine the reverse order, I belive this order would be unlikely for two reasons:

(1) As a white liberal/socialist, she would not be inclined to subordinate herself to a Black man, who, by definition, liberals are in the business of patronizing and manipulating, and

(2) Obama is probably smart enough not to put himself in the way of the klinton crime mob and power.

There are no "moderates"...........
in the debate regarding the 2008 POTUS Republican candidate, only duplicitous social liberals and ignorant social conservatives. Since the 2008 POTUS nomination is effectively the culmination of the fifty year culture war based on the fraudulent and fallacious research of Evelyn Hooker and Alfred Kinsey, why do you believe the likelihood of the four social liberals foisted upon the base of the Repulican Party by the LGBT line and staff of the RNC and RSCC would select strict constructionists to the federal appellate and SCOTUS?

So glad I read this...
As a voter who recently turned a Romney supporter, I was disappointed to say the least, when I read Gregg Jackson's article here on TH last week. I kept wondering..."Is he right? Was I wrong to decide to vote in the primary for Romney?" Thanks, Kevin, for putting my doubts aside, and helping me to know that my decision is the correct one for me.

Mom in Wisconsin

Hagar-
there are times I wish we were all in a big room speaking out loud rather than hiding behind screen names and such, because if you called me a nazi to my face I'd put my fist through the back of your head idiot.

There's a site for people like you that has indeed banned a pretty sizeable chunk of the Republican party, it's called redstate.com , and you'll be free there to tow the party line and rahrahrah for Bush & Pals all day and night without fear of debate or dissent.

$8,000,000+
Ron Paul has raised this quarter,

so keep ignoring us and driving us further from the party with your condescention and insults at your peril, some of us may come back to vote for the RNC leftist they prop up like Rudy or Mitt, but most of us will never go back to a party that has basically thrown us out because we don't share your very UNconservative position of interventionalist foreign policy.

What short memories you all have...and if you people believe Reagan would've supported Bush's foreign policy, then you need to study Reagan. Reagan didn't bomb communism out of the USSR or overthrow leaders, he willed it out, he spoke it out, with the credibility to instill fear in our enemies that they not dare challenge us. So they didn't. Now we can't even defeat a third-world band of tribesman in the desert.

So all you robots who want to line up behind whatever potato sack the RNC props up to defeat the evil hillary better keep in mind that your saviour Ronald Reagan LOVED Ron Paul, and was pretty much in line with RP's ENTIRE PLATFORM. Stop bastardizing the name of the man who was likely the single greatest freedom fighter of the modern day, and who understood that the role of the US was to be a nation of free, happy people, not to be the world's police force, cleanup crew, food pantry, welfare administrator,homeless shelter, and whipping boy.

The sooner you cogs realize that 9-11 was an immigration failure first and foremost, and a result of interventionalist foreign policy, the sooner we can get back to what the USA was supposed to be and away from what it is today.

Finally, all RP supporters know he probably won't win the nomination, but if all we can do is screw it up for the Repubs who've destroyed this country, and now other countries, I think we're fine with that.

JT pt 2
You responded with:

"..His core issue is that he wants to make America a better place for his children and grandchildre, with a strong military, a strong economy, and strong families."

One little problem with your above statement: THOSE WERE NOT ROMNEY'S PRINCIPLES AS RECENTLY AS 1 YEAR AGO!

Those are not Romney's core issue. Those are Romney's talking points NOW. There is no body of work or experiences in the trenches to back it up. These are just words to Romney. Rhetoric. Mere platitudes.

Romney was not for a strong military when as recently as 2005 he was pleading not to be asked questions about Iraq claiming he was just a governor.

Romney was not pro-family when he said that the Catholic parish in Boston should facilitate gay adoptions or close down.

Romney was not pro-family when he ordered his Department of Public Health to change the state marriage license to read "Party A" and Party "B", replacing "Husband" and "Wife". None of this was required by any law passed by the legislature or even ordered by the court.

Romney was not pro-family when he forced Catholic hospitals in Massachusetts to dispense the "morning after" pill.

Romney was not pro-family signed into law a universal health insurance plan that (a) includes increased state-funded abortions, and (b) names Planned Parenthood in the law as an overseer (And he did this AFTER his pro-life "conversion" in 2004)

Romney STILL approves of stem cell research using left over human embryos.

Romney was not pro-family when he filled out Planned Parenthood and NARAL questionnaires in 2002 pledging to uphold Roe v Wade and support public funding for abortion.


Don't get me started on RomneyCare.


So don't say a strong military, strong economy and strong families is Romney's core principle.

It is not.

Family Values?
I am amused by posts to this thread to the effect that voters believe a candidate's worth can be established by the success of his children. Please recall that John Kerry's daughter was at the Harvard School of Medicine becoming a physician while George Bush's daughters were at the saloon getting drunk.

Romney's extremist liberal views
Thank you for the opportunity to clarify myself and my sources. I ask you to consider watching this candidate in his own words on YouTube. It is very brief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOJNw4lmlI

If ENDA is of any concern to anyone here, you will benefit greatly by taking a moment to watch Romney's statement.

Here are some helpful sites which give full treatment to the wildly left wing agenda of Mitt Romney in Mass.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=romneyrecord&p=r

http://massresistance.org/romney/

Marriage redefined in Mass
Voters did not want this done in Mass. It was rejected at the voter booth by 70%.

"The Supreme Judicial Court made a ruling and ordered the Legislature to act. The Legislature did nothing, so Romney stepped in and ordered same-sex 'marriages' to begin -- essentially violating his oath of office."

I commend to you the good citizens of Massachusetts, to answer fully what Romney has done and how.

http://massresistance.org/romney/


Speaking of not telling the whole story.
Mr. McCullough downbraids folks for not telling the whole story about Romney, then descends into ad hominem uncontexted remarks himself regarding Giuliani.

I would point out the the so-called "aggressively pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-illegal alien, anti-gun, tax indifferent, sanctuary city defending, horrific judicial record, cross dressing former Mayor of New York" has the most free market capitalist platform of any candidate running for president. I would further point out that his "tax indifferen[ce]" resulted in large tax cuts in NYC, he's not on record anywhere as being "pro-illegal alien", and that cross dressing as a gag has nothing to do with anything other than a chance to take a swipe at Giuliani. I would also point out that pro-choice is not the same as "pro-abortion", and that abortions in NYC actually decreased during his mayorship.

Come on Kevin, intellectual honesty is a good thing with ALL the candidates, not just the one(s) you might support.

WSJ's "Consultant in Chief" article Sat.
11/10, is worth reading on line if you missed it. Loco mentioned it in an earlier post on this thread. It is on the OPINION page A11, under "The Weekend Interview with Mitt Romney."

If Brian Carney's analysis of Mitt's complex thinking style is correct, no wonder the media--sound byte people can't get a handle on Mitt: he's not an easily analyzed,camera-ready politician. The other candidates are easier to understand; their pronouncements on policy have less mental process behind them. Is this an issue of brain power and thinking skills that makes Mitt more difficult to accurately translate into the evening news? (My opinion.)

So, let's take it easy and not automatically dismiss Mitt's reconciliations of decisions as Governor of Mass. and as a 2008 Presidential candidate into the thin gruel or thin veneer of flip-flopping. He gives us more in depth information than we are used to reading as he shares with us "why."

And remember that once his past comments have become solidified into the media memory and endless retrieved, the fact that these comments are taken out of context or not reconciled with his additional--current explanations makes these earlier frozen negative positions seem important, when they may no longer be relevant to his candidacy at all.

We need a president with immense analytical abilities along with great speaking skills and significant executive experiences. We need a person who can attract bright minds to his administration. We need a person all facets of this nation, including the military, can trust. We need a person who respects the Constitution and the rule of law. We need a person who has a history of finding common ground among those of opposing views (such as Congress) The fact that he won't be in personal crises with his wife and family to distract him in the logjam that awaits him in the White House is a nice extra.


Extreme liberal becomes Rep. candidate
While "conversions" on issues are welcome, the fair and honest question for us to ask is, "What was Romney converted from, and what were his previous views and actions?"

Please examine Romney in his own words in these short videos.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=romneyrecord&p=r

Give yourself a chance to weigh out whether this man is truly fit to run as the conservative candidate. The ambiguity, context, and nuance which Romney supporters claim to be extenuating circumstances and important qualifications are well represented here, but see the man in his own words as well.


len please don't replace Christ with "x"
You make excellent points in your post yesterday (12:46 p.m.) about the "distinction between a moral position and a legal position."

I just think that for all we owe to Jesus Christ, the few extra keystrokes required to type out His name, or "Christians" instead of "xians" are well worth it. Maybe you are not even Christian, but if not I would not presume to refer to some group with which you affiliate as "x," which represents 'unknown.'

re: Tricia
FYI: Note that the use of "X" (as in "Xmas" or "Xians") is not signifying an "unknown", but rather refers to the Greek letter Chi, the symbol for which is identical to our letter "X". Chi is the first letter in the Greek word for Christ.

Roth & aDNA guilty of taking soundbites
and stating that those few words represent the whole of who Mitt Romney is and what he would do as President.

None of us (who are thinking, informed, intelligent people) could make a few statements which would adequately represent our ENTIRE beliefs and positions on various important issues.

Also, any person running for political office would emphasize different parts of an issue according to the audience being addressed. Otherwise, that person would not have a snowflake's chance of being elected.

re Giuliani--he IS on record with
statements effectively making NYC a "sanctuary city." Check it out for yourself. He does NOT have a strong history of trying to stop illegal immigration when he was mayor.

When Romney was Governor of MA, btw, he refused to allow any state patrol or other state employees to give security service to a radical Islamist speaker who was invited to speak at Harvard. That is just a small indication of his tough stance on anti-American threats.

Is it...spontaneous generation?
Sound bytes?

Longer treatments and documents of Romney's extreme liberalism are on massresistance.org/romney

Shorter 7 sec to 8 min videos of Romney's passionate stance on all things liberal are on YouTube search romneyrecord.

Whichever you have time for, please take a look at this man's past.

I am not guilty as charged. You are guilty--guilty of believing that conservatives just spontaneously generate out of Massachusetts left wingers.

re: Tricia
Giuliani had a policy regarding crime reporting and illegal immigrants; he thought fighting crime in NYC was his priority. One can disagree with whether or not it was the best policy, but this doesn't make him "pro-illegal immigrant", and crime did in fact go down on his watch.

Stick your face in Romney's hat&see the
truth!
Surely, such a conversion as this is worthy of mention!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kijwc1DTuM0

Surely one who passed the only universal health care in the country, a Massachusetts liberal in the first degree, where homosexuals can marry as person a and person b, and now the conservative hopeful, has a story to tell. One such as Romney would welcome the attention to his past, and his recent change of heart, which we are MOST ASSURED, enables him to run for president! Please, see this amazing transformation!

See "Endocelt" TH blog for hypo-
thetical Romney speech he wishes Mitt would give. (This one is too long and too scholarly to ever give as a political speech!)

But it is a scholarly defense of Mitt's patriotism as an LDS American.

This lengthy essay should serve to remove all fears from the most frightened citizen, afraid to vote for Mitt because of his religion.

Mitt will be guided by and will be loyal to the Constitution of the United States. He will place his hand on the Holy Bible and swear before God and us listening/watching him that he will solemnly defend and protect....

It is refreshing to read the writings of someone who does understand LDS theology in such depth that he can write a hypothetical speech that he'd like to hear Mitt give to the nation to explain why we needn't worry about his loyalty to us as its citizens.

It's a "thick read" blog since this man/woman understands Western Civilization and its legacy to our times and frames how LDS theology draws from the same roots. It is also a great review of what most of us have forgotten from our college days (at least that's true for me).

So much nicer than reading the fear-generating posts of some how try to frighten people about Mitt as a candidate because of his faith.

I know from being a member of Mitt's church for over half a century that LDS people love America and will fight with words or in combat when necessary to preserve our freedoms. There is no greater patriot than my own 93-year old dad who served in WWII. So I honor my veteran dad on Veteran's Day and thank him for teaching me (he's a naturalized citizen) to love this land.

HAPPY VETERAN'S DAY.




Direct quote from previous post...
You poor frightened citizens. You are afraid. Romney led Massachusetts and he can lead you. He is nuanced, he has changed!

Keep up the good Work, Kevin
It's not easy dispelling the lies and inaccuracies put out their by MassResistence - but we are with you.

Oops - Correction

Keep up the good Work, Kevin

It's not easy dispelling the lies and inaccuracies put out there by MassResistence - but we are with you.

Thank you, Kevin.
Great article. It needed to be said, by someone with a louder voice, than those of us who cried foul on the comments of the opposition articles.

RothNRA
Since there are so many posts here, I certainly could have missed it, but I'm wondering where your response is to the question posed to you about whether you have any children and, if so, how many of them are/have been in the armed services?

It seems to me that anyone who claims to be "offended" by the comment Romney made about his sons (which has been reported totally out of context, I might add) must certainly have children in the military or, at least, have served him/herself.

I'm guessing, due to your lack of response, that neither you or any of your children have. In that case, let someone who has three sons in the military (2 of which have done 3 tours and 5 missions [Special Forces] into combat) tell you to stop looking for reasons to be offended with life. Romney apologized. Give it up.
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