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Sunday, September 23, 2007
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
When Evil Desecrates the Sacred
by Kevin McCullough
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When the embodiment of death comes to pay its wishes, I have observed this week that many liberals embrace it, and normal people reject it. It is also worth mentioning that those who do evil take delight in misdirection, lies, and vague responses to specific questions. In doing so the liberals give "credit and tolerance" where "trust and verify" should actually be the policy. And in allowing this the far left in America give the impression that America is weak, not worth defending, and thusly our enemies grow emboldened as they plot their next attack upon us.

This week, like most Americans I was offended, outraged, and angered over the attempted bullying that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad blustered his plan to visit Ground Zero with. When the NYPD turned down the world's leading export of terror on his request to use their services and permission to secure his way to the bottom of the Ground Zero pit we New Yorkers cheered. Then came the very bold move of announcing his visit, using his Secret Service escort in defiance of the wishes of NYPD. Congressmen like Peter Kind attempted to pull the funding for Secret Service assignment to the Persian version of Adolph Hitler, but was unsuccessful.

Late Thursday after talk radio had buzzed about it for roughly 24 hours, Matt Drudge leaked a partial transcript of Sunday night's 60' Minutes - not yet aired - interview with Ahamdinejad. The headline across Drudge seem to satisfy the mainstream media and the connection to Ground Zero disappeared completely from the headlines with the emphasis moving to the speech he would give later in the day at Columbia University.

There was but one small problem. In the leaked interview transcript Ahmadinejad never confirms that he took the Ground Zero stop off his schedule. In fact he confirms in the interview that he still has it on his schedule.

Little Green Footballs was, to my knowledge, the primary voice who did not yet believe what the press had accepted at less than face value. In fact at press time for this column, written especially late in the day, much to my editor's chagrin the Iranian owned Islamic Republic News Agency is STILL reporting that Ahmadinejad is intending to go to Ground Zero. His arrival time is expected to be 10am. Iran is also protesting New York's anti-hospitable view on the matter.

In the run up to the weekend my New York based listenership grew so irate at the arrogance of Ahamdinejad to come and pay his respects (to the "brave 19), that before I was off the air on Thursday they were demanding that we organize a human chain to prevent Ahmadinejad from visiting the site. After the Drudge leak, and the follow up by LGF, let's just say none were convinced that he in fact has changed his plan.

I began to organize as best we could, listeners spreading the word. Tom from the Bronx called to tell of his employment with the contractors in the Ground Zero pit - he and they would be walking off the job site to come stand with us at 9:30am Monday morning. James from Richmond, Virginia wrote to say that his bag was packed and he was on his way. Fox5 News in New York brought the rally to the attention of their viewers. E-mail poured in by the hundreds some from as far away as Utah to say that they would be standing shoulder to shoulder with us.

By far the most touching e-mail I received was from Nancy. "Nancy from Fleishmans" as she is known to my audience. She is a clear-headed commonsense nurse who works in Manhattan. Both Nancy and her 82 year old mother expressed a desire to make their way all the way to Liberty Street and Broadway in order to simply stand up to the face of evil when he showed up to "praise Allah" for the "great victory" of the "brave 19."

I made mention of Nancy's note to me and how it had moved me on my site this week as well. The result of that being that one of the posters at FARK.com picked it up, ridiculed the sincerity of the 82 year old African American mom, and began to give disingenuous lectures about the differences in Arab vs. Persian Islamic theology.

Thinking themselves witty, some of them even made offensive and immoral inferences between Ahmadinejad and the elderly but quite patriotic lady.

It has always seemed to me that arrogant scoffing liberals always adopted the mentality, methodologies, and in this case even the propagandized thinking of our enemies. But the nearly 1000 comments left in response to this simple woman's gesture to stand and say "no" to a terrorist proved it.

The left in America is why the terrorists think they will defeat us.

I've said it for years, "Liberals are going to get us all killed."

And to the degree that the American left will adopt the lies of our enemies and repeat them as truth against we their fellow and concerned countrymen - I am forced to confirm those thoughts this day.

Ahmadinejad is responsible for many, if not most of the blown up American bodies in Iraq from Iranian made IEDs. His revolutionary guard troops, several of whom were captured in the recent surge, have violated Iraqi sovereignty so that this mad man could fight a proxy war with us. He is pledging to wipe Israel, America, and Britain off the maps - should he ever get the necessary nuclear power to do so. And he is lying, has lied, and is intending to continue to lie about the progress of his nuclear program.

It's for all these reasons and a dozen more that he should not be allowed to set foot in our nation. Yet there is not much neither you nor I can do about that.

But we CAN physically prevent him from getting near ground zero - which at 7:08pm Saturday evening is still on his schedule at 10am Monday morning.

My idea on-air was 2700 bodies between him and the site. We lost that many in that place that fateful morning six years ago.

Join us?

If you love your nation, and hope for the defeat of our enemies - stand with us?

Liberty Street and Broadway - I'll be there at 9am.

Evil visited this place before we could see it coming. We have been warned about this visit and how we respond this time is in our control!

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Kevin McCullough is the nationally syndicated host of "'Xtreme' Radio and columnist based in New York. He blogs at www.muscleheadrevolution.com. His second book "The Kind Of MAN Every Man SHOULD Be" is in stores now.

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Stop the eliminationist rhetoric
The logic of this kind of rhetoric places a substantial number of Americans as on par with terrorists, as domestic enemies (and of course one knows what one does with such enemies, especially if they threaten our very lives): lock em up, ship em out, perhaps execute them or at least try them for treason. Pure eliminationist rhetoric.

That's where the right's language is going these days. And if it takes old there won't be a democracy left in this country. But at least the right can take on the same attitude and practices that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad uses against Iranians he considers domestic enemies. And hey he's anti-gay as well. So there's a connection to be had.

Free Speech ......To a select few
3:15 hours before Walid Shoebat ex-palistinian terrorist and author of 'Why I Left Jihad', and his panel were to speak to an audience at Columbia University, all of whom had RSVP’d to the Columbia University College Republicans who were sponsoring the talk, and received invitations from them to the event, has Jewelnel Davis, the advising office to Student Governing Board groups at Columbia decided to rescind all of the invitations?
Can it possibly be that, having been severely embarrassed by last week’s events - when radical leftists at Columbia were left free to act as thugs and attack the Minutemen - and the blogstorm it precipitated, resulting in severe, public criticism of Lee Bollinger, President of Columbia University, for his lack of initiative at solving the problem, this week they decided to solve the problem - at the last minute - by restricting their popular lecturer to Columbia students and 20 invited guests.Free speech to those who fit their agenda .....



Good grief...
servetus is an example of the paranoid left.

And speaking of the anti gay thing in Iran. Interesting that no one on the left mentions it. It is only on the rightwing blogs I read about the horror of executions of gays.


Seaks Up
Another misguided soul showing his ignorence of true freedom of speach and expression vs political retoric designed to praise our enemies. Mr McCullough speaks as an individul. Whreas Iranian President Mahmoud speaks as a head of state.His purpose is tho praise the cowardeds who met their death while murdering thousands of civilians. Perhaps he sees no difference in the collective voice of the american people and the ranting of a man committed to our distruction. I say perhaps but maybe he totally understands the difference, be he a misguided soul or a terrorist sympathizer, as an old radio program used to ask "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men"

Seaks Up
Another misguided soul showing his ignorence of true freedom of speach and expression vs political retoric designed to praise our enemies. Mr McCullough speaks as an individul. Whreas Iranian President Mahmoud speaks as a head of state.His purpose is tho praise the cowardeds who met their death while murdering thousands of civilians. Perhaps he sees no difference in the collective voice of the american people and the ranting of a man committed to our distruction. I say perhaps but maybe he totally understands the difference, be he a misguided soul or a terrorist sympathizer, as an old radio program used to ask "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of mortal men"

In spirit...
While I can't be there tomorrow physically, I'll definitely be standing there with all who show up to block this contemporary descendant of Hitler (a most apt description of him). Thank you for giving us the 'heads up'.

servetus
has given us an instructive insight.
1. His first sentence fails to respond to the definitional argument the author poses. The author is arguing, basically, that Ahmadinejad qualifies himself as a terrorist by his actions. The logical connection the author asserts is that if Ahmadinejad's actions indeed do match the definition of a terrorist, then those who support, aid and abet him may qualify for the title too. The author's assertion does not have anything to do with nationality, it's the nature of actions and philosophy. Servetus then makes the fallacious connection that the author of this article is falsely accusing Americans, and that this kind of accusation allows "the right" to eliminate all that do not suit them. His conclusion does not follow from the premise, a non-sequitur.
2. Next, Mr. Servetus gives us a "hasty generalization." "That's where the right's language is going these days." How can such a sweeping statement be made, based on a misconstrued evaluation of the author's premise? Well, only fallaciously can it be done.
3. Another "does not follow" fallacy concludes Mr. Servetus' post when he asserts that "And if it takes old there won't be a democracy left in this country." The analysis of Ahmadinejad, his actions, and regime, along with suggesting that those who support him qualify as his ilk, is simple, straightforward, and desirable for a Republic, and even a "Democracy." Actions to protect our country from those who advocate its overthrow is not, I hope, only a concern of "the right." However, the article's author is posing the question, whether any on "the left" can see evil when it comes to visit.
Mr. Servetus' post, however, has "Served-us" with an excellent example of faulty thinking and analysis.

You are right.
Liberals wanna kiss the butt of Ahmadinejad before he shits on them.

Prayer Chain
For those of us who cannot be there, let us form a Prayer Chain from 9:00 a.m. or as long as you can participate. If you are Catholic, find time today to pray a Rosary for the evil one to be struck by the Right Arm of God. But pray that He will show us -- and will strengthen and inspire the crowds who are there to deny the Evil One in person.

and just where
are the Phylos, Tanabears,Roberts and Hals? Do they like the idea of their party letting this man within inches of the ground ahmunutjob wishes he could lay claim on...the death and destruction of innocents? Do they understand that no matter how much asss-kissing is done, the nutjob ewill still strike if allowed. You people who think this is okay make me sick-get out of this Country and go live there.

Servatus personalize Pres. Tom
for a minute, will ya?
Let's say pres. Tom orders ied's smuggled in to the insurgents? Let's say he sends some fighters in to help kill Americans trying to establish some sort of country? Lets say he speaks out, that every soul in Isreal and America must be destroyed, and the holocaust was imaginatory? Let's say your son was killed by one of those ied's in Iraq, and then a smuggled nuclear device hits your neighborhood, courtesy of pres. Tom.???
Words mean things! Actions mean things! Pres. Tom after all you've done, come on over to our little country and pay your respects to whom???

servetus
IDIOT!!!!

America was never intended to be a 'democracy'! It is a REPUBLIC, otherwise known as a 'representative democracy' - I think our once great Nation has become a Socialist Welfare State, on its way to becoming a democracy, probably the worst form of government, except anarchy, which is NO government.
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship".

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have invariably progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back again to bondage."

(This lesson of history was written by Professor Alexander Tytler over 200 years ago while the United States was still a British colony)


Al Qaeda America
MoveOn.Org + DailyKos + HILLARY,INC + George Soros = Al Qaeda America

A-JAG, arrest him! With over three hundred years of legal precedent and statues available find one to detain his Iranian rear end in Rikers

ARREST HIM!

Ahmadinejad in Handcuffs
Iranian bombs are killing our troops. This guy lies like a rug. I still think he was part of the mob that held our people hostage for over 400 days. Liberals are embracing this guy. "It's not that liberals are ignorant; its just that they know so much that isn't so." --Ronald Reagan

It's so simple even cavemen and liberals should be able to understand.

Arrest him...
Strap him down and inject the blood of swine into him.

Free Speech is Under Attack
This war on Terror as waged by conservatives has been an all out attack on the first amendment. You reject the propaganda of Ahmadinejad, but accept blindly the propaganda of this war as waged by Bush and supported by the MSM.

Liberals who have opposed this war from the start have been effectively shut down by attacking them as "hate America", "Liberals will kill us", "Hurt the moral of the troops", "Embolden the enemy", "Liberals = Al-Qaeada","Blame America First".

I am not here to defend Ahmadinejad, but I want to defend our constitution.

Conservatives have decided he should not speak at Columbia or visit ground zero becasue they do not like what he has to say. Censorship is fully acceptable. What about my constitutional right to hear it?

Our first admendment rights (free speech, invasion of privacy, warrantless wire taping) have been under attack not by Islamic Jihadists, but by conservatives and now sold to Democrates as well. Our fears will destroy us before OBL will.

Tell him that...
there is no Tehran to return home to. (Just before he returns home on Monday.)

-Miguel

Hang a sign that says:
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Follow this up with another sign that says: "Ahmie, this means YOU!"

OK Stedes
A quick search of Time/CNN, "The presence of Evil" will render this: ""The eleven Communists had been indicted and found guilty under the Smith Act. The law, passed by Congress in 1940, and never finally tested by the U.S. Supreme Court, made it a crime to teach or advocate the violent overthrow of the U.S. Government, or to conspire to commit such acts. There was no question of an overt act of violence; no revolution had actually been attempted. Had the activities of the eleven then constituted for the U.S. what Justice Holmes once characterized as "clear and present danger"? The defendants had merely plotted and planned, taught and preached. No matter how unpopular such activities, wasn't the law that forbade them an infringement of the First Amendment, an abridgment of the right of free speech? Well, they were found guilty.
Absolutist free speech is not supportable nor can it be allowed. You can't yell "Fire, Fire, run for your life," in a crowded building when there is no fire. That is not protected "freedom of speech." Nor is "advocating the violent overthrow of the U.S. government" a protected 1st amendment right. Now, you may try to make the case that Tehran's current despot has no such designs towards the U.S., but it's not really defensible, nor is your claim that we're violating 1st amendment rights by denying him a forum, and we are not denying your rights to "hear" what he has to say. You can read, so google him and enjoy. But spare us the spurious accusations of censorship and 1st amendment violations.

stedes:
Free speech doesn’t mean everyone gets a microphone.

“All wartime communications are aimed at the home front. Even as bin Laden appears to be addressing us, his followers are his primary audience.”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=BA42C3C2-AC3F-4627-AEE4-6225B94C9856

Same with this Iranian idiot. Do you want to give him access to our modern communication systems so he can talk to his homefront? He will be perceived by them as a hero who walked into the jaws of the “Evil Satan” and thumbed his nose at him.

If you want to be entertained, I suggest you go to a horror show instead. If not, I suggest you go work in a mental institution for a while and find out if you can, through eloquent dialog, change the mind of the violent insane.

stedes
If Mr. Nutjob wants to preach hate on a street corner by the UN he is free to do so. Any American that facilitates that speach by providing a forum deserves to be castigated. Confusing what the government may do concerning speach with what individuals and private organizations do is foolishness.

To all supporters of Ahmanutjob
When that man steps on American soil he should be arrested. What are people in this country thinking when they can allow this terrorist exporter to visit this country and spew his hatred of America and its way of life. Only liberals who have an abiding hatred for America can see the benefit of allowing this to happen.

Liberals ARE dangerous to this country. They have no regard for the moral values that went into making this country great. To them, any means justifies their ends and since they have no moral compass, THIS is what makes them dangerous to America. Any God fearing American who believes that the largess we have enjoyed over the last two-hundred and thirty-some years has been a blessing bestowed by God, should be very, very afraid for our future under the Godless liberals.

Liberals say they love America and scream bloody murder when their patriotism is questioned, but the truth remains, they will only love America when it becomes the communist country they envision. If you remember their goals and that they will use any means whatsoever to achieve their goals, you will remember how dangerous they are to our way of life. And that isn't rhetoric, that's fact.

What Are the Facts?
After reading this article and its thread I googled the latest news on Ahmadinejad's visit to New York. Searching all the news I can google, plus everything I heard last night on TV news, plus front-page headlines on the two major daily newspapers that just now arrived on my doorstep, I find NO EVIDENCE that Ahmadinejad is going to the site of the World Trade Center. It seems that, once again, the right wing's main interest is in stimulating anger and resentment rather than conveying actual information. Spread a rumor that he is going there in spite of the city's big "No, you may not go"---then instigate crowds, riots, prayer chains, and general right-wing hysteria. If he then fails to show up, you can always say, "We scared him away! We won!".

I am a liberal guest visitor to conservative townhall. I come here to try and understand what is happening in my country. The main thing I have learned here is that the right wing does not concern itself with facts. People do not bother to research and establish facts---but with the speed of lightening they react to emotionally-based lies and distortions.

The left just
Doesn't get it and they never will. Nutjob doesn't deserve our rights to the Freedom of Speech. One that shitts on his own Country should not be allowed to come and dothe same to ours. Sentido, Get out. I believe in this Country and all the deaths that came before and will come to protect it. You are as good as the slime going to Ground Zero. Go on, just. get. Out.

servetus & Stedes - S O S -

Servetus, just gibberish with no thought process.

And then there was STEDES. What shall we make of those who believe in POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, but only on their own terms. Beware your own Fears when they are Irrational. Perhaps you fear, fear itself.

Go sell First Amendment rights to MoveOn.org. Shouting fire is not always a patriotic thing to do.


Liberals are going to get us all killed!
That's what the man who wrote the column said.
Clear enough? It is to me!

Moveon.org is a danger to this country!

Hillary Clinton is a danger to this country!

Harry Reid is a danger to this country!

John Edwards, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd are a danger to this country.

The Looney Hollywood Left are just plain looney so thankfully they're mostly a danger to themselfes.

Lee Bollinger, friend of Terrorists everywhere and friend to MoveOn.org, is the most despicable coward in America today. He is a danger to this country.

And, of course, let's not forget those at TH today who have spoken in favor of this Terrorist coming to N.Y. (of all places) to speak to students. You're also in this company.

The more liberals are tied to those who would harm America, the better chance we have of electing someone who will not cave in. Those who I have listed above not only will cave in but they can't wait to do so.


servetus & Stedes - S O S -

Servetus, just gibberish with no thought process.

And then there was STEDES. What shall we make of those who believe in POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, but only on their own terms. Beware your own Fears when they are Irrational. Perhaps you fear, fear itself.

Go sell First Amendment rights to MoveOn.org. Shouting fire is not always a patriotic thing to do.


Small potatoes
Ahmadinejad has been relegated to the background in his country - only fearmongering American authoritarians use his nuttiness to inflame our country's rightwing into cowering fearfully at the thought of an "Islamofascist" boogeyman.

The REAL evil lies in Iraq with Blackwater contractors who make 600 bucks a day to shoot innocent civilians with impunity. Roving psychopathic bullies with machine guns and a license to kill is a good thing? Only in Bush's America.

Evil is president who takes us into a war based on lies and keeps us there as thousands die for that lie - just so he can save face rather than admit failure - blaming others for failure he caused (Evil Shirking).

Evil is a complicit, rubberstamping GOP that obstructs congress in an effort to help said evil president continue to do his evil bidding, and to undermine any hope for ending the unjust war, and saving the trapped troops from continuing to be cannonfodder in bloodyland.

Evil is Halliburton and its warprofiteering - making boatloads of money at the expense of our troops.

And evil is the warmongering that continues on this website under the guise of "support our troops".

And this is the short list....


Decay of the Shining City on a Hill :(
As American Society sought to be "open, tolerant and inclusive," that included elevating every nutty idea and segment of society to the same level as those with at least common sense. Then, as those on the weirder fringes of society were given university posts, we saw our social values turned upside down and inside out.
What we see today at Columbia is the rotten fruit of that social experiment.

Talisman
What force is it that has relegated Ahmadinejad to the background. Is that a force for peace within the Middle East or a force that finds him insufficiently agressive in his pursuit of the means to destroy the infidels? Personally I am not worried that the Republicans are planning on setting off a nuclear device in my vicinity. Can't say the same for Mr. Nutjob.

Where is the outrage?
I am totally stumped to try and figure out how some of the posters on this thread can function on a day to day basis.

Anybody who advocates tolerance for Ahmadinejad to set foot on US soil needs their head examined.

He should be arrested. He is a terrorist (1979 hostages) and is responsible for killing US soldiers in Iraq. NO amount of politically correct babble is going to alter that.

I say, if he wants to go to Columbia to speak, then all Federal funding for Columbia should be revoked permanently. The US should not support Terrorists.

If he wants to go to Ground Zero...I say let him be buried there with a sign that says "Death to all Terrorists and those who wage war upon the USA"

To me, that would be a better memorial than the hole in the ground that is still there. If we aren't going to rebuild the towers bigger and better than before, then it should be the repository for those who hate us. Let them join the ash-heap as their sick hate-filled ideologies deserve.

Talisman is a total nutjob.
.

Is there no way
someone can get a clear shot at that Iranian nut case from one of the surrounding buildings. A .50 caliber Barrett should do the job nicely, head shot preferably.

Stedes
Nobody is denying you the right to hear this nutcase. If you want to hear him, go to Iran, but we don't want his likes here. We have enough of you idiots here already. I didn't think the constitution was meant to protect our enemies.

The reason liberals defend this nut job, is because they only understand lying and liars. That is what they are all about. Why waste your breath on them?

Lilly's projection
Lilly, your statement, "The main thing I have learned here is that the right wing does not concern itself with facts. People do not bother to research and establish facts---but with the speed of lightening they react to emotionally-based lies and distortions." is a sterling example of psychological projection.

Talisman, lost it's shine.??.

Gee, $600.00 a day to take your butt and put it in harms way. Sounds like a bargain, and don't tell me your politics stops you from applying. If it were Repubs who were to be shot at, you would be first in line as long as they had no guns.

Blackwater storm troopers in black helicopters no doubt who load their 50 calibers each morning looking for civilians.

Why don't you volunteer to go to say, Venezuela, and train jihad terrorists how to speak English after they learn Spanish. Gee you could show them the safe houses when crossing the border and introduce them to the ACLU in case they get caught before blowing up your neighborhood.

Evil is keeping the border open to one and all.

Get real scatter butt.


Talisman, lost it's shine.??.
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Here we go again, I posted three minutes ago and used two slow F5 cycles and still NO POST. what gives TH.??.
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Gee, $600.00 a day to take your butt and put it in harms way. Sounds like a bargain, and don't tell me your politics stops you from applying. If it were Repubs who were to be shot at, you would be first in line as long as they had no guns.

Blackwater storm troopers in black helicopters no doubt who load their 50 calibers each morning looking for civilians.

Why don't you volunteer to go to say, Venezuela, and train jihad terrorists how to speak English after they learn Spanish. Gee you could show them the safe houses when crossing the border and introduce them to the ACLU in case they get caught before blowing up your neighborhood.


Oh, that's right you went to El Salvador and Nicaragua back in the eighties to hold peace vigils and shout down Reagan and the evil American congress.

Evil is keeping the border open to one and all.

Get real scatter butt.


Columbia and the ROTC
So, Stedes and Talisman and Lilly and whoever else thinks this visit by Ahmadinejad is just wonderful -- this guy who says Israel should be wiped off the map -- this guy who participated in the taking and holding of American hostages in Iran in 1979 -- this guy who's developing a nuclear program for Iran (oh, that's right, it's just for POWER generation -- oh, never mind) -- you who think this is just hunky-dory, where's your outrage about ROTC not being allowed on campus?

In your way of thinking, it's perfectly fine for Columbia University to get out the good silver and nice dishes for this Islamofascist, but allowing a progrma on campus for people who want to become officers in the US military, to defend our country, is not perfectly fine.

There's nothing you can say to justify that position without revealing yourselves, definitively, as anti-American.

stedes-
You omitted any reference to libeal actions to prohibit conservative speakers in your discussion in defense of the constitution. An error of omission or commission?

Error of Omission
Liberal not libeal...

Young Frankenstein
In Mel Brook's movie 'Young Frankenstein' the Chief of Police says, "A riot is a terrible thing, and its about time we had one!"Where are the idiots that are supposedly running this country. We tolerate this vermin's presence on our soil so he can slander us at the UN but surely his diplomatic rights end there. The sawed-off runt of a liberal mayor can announce that the police will actively bar him from the site. The feckless, politically tin-eared occupant of the White House could stand up and say that as long as he is murdering our troops in Iraq and his own people at home he will not be allowed to mock the dead his Islamonazi brothers murdered on 9/11. The entire Manhattan Congressional delegation and New York's two disgusting Senators will be in the cheering section at Columbia so they're useless but surely any Republican presidential candidate with his ear to the ground will show some leadership and be there. But our leaders are so stupid, hopefully our people have more sense. I live 3000 miles away but if it was a hundred miles away I would go and stop this creep. This is important and it shows what a bunch of buffoons, one and all, are running this country.

Mrs Paddy Is Right
Revoking Federal funding for Columbia is a wonderful idea. Going on their website and contacting the people who endow Columbia is another good idea. These terrorist sympathizers should sweat a little for their treason.

Liberals=Traitors Meme

"Liberals are going to get us all killed"
"It has always seemed to me that arrogant scoffing liberals always adopted the mentality, methodologies, and in this case even the propagandized thinking of our enemies."

I fail to see the hasty generalization. Liberals in this narrative, which are some 1/3 of our country are an internal enemy, on par with, the terrorists abroad which are the external enemy. If we include Americans who oppose the war, we've gotten a majority of Americans now in this camp.

My question is what does the right propose to do to those Americans who are such an existential threat to this nation? I know what the Iranian gov't does to their own internal enemies, what would those who go beyond the language of traitor as defined by our constitution, to do folks like us?

Is that a paranoid question? I don't believe so, because no longer is politics ever talked about as a simple disagreement about this or that policy but rather as those who are evil, traitors seeking to destroy the country and those children of light who will stand in their way.

Seriously the way the word liberal is used on here, insert the word Jew, Black, any other group and the prejudice becomes clear. The language being used is what we've used against the enemy, not someone who you might debate politics with and go have a beer with afterwards.

As for the condition of gay and lesbians throughout the Middle East, a number of liberal sites have written on this subject. Avoiding a left wing or a right wing only reading list of blogs is key here. The first time I read about the Taliban and their treatment of women was in socialist journals, before I'd ever seen any concern by a conservative on this issue.

skep41
It occurs to me that we should expand the "no money for terrorist supporters" to include those in congress who denigrate our military and visit terrorist regimes (Pelosi, anybody?)

How do we go about withholding pay for our Congressional 'leaders'??

Don't you wish we could select a list of government programs we would like to support when we pay our taxes? I know I'd never willingly and deliberately send my tax dollars to pay for the UN!

Sad little man, in his sad little world
Or something like that. Kevin reminds me a lot of Badger. Someone with illusions of standing.

Who gave this guy a visa? You think he just filled out the same form everyone else in the world does outside this country when they want a visa? You all think some INS clerk just approved his visa form as a course of daily events amongst one of thousands and now he his just waltzing in here?

Or is truth of the matter that the State Department at the highest levels had to approve this man's visa? Most likely Bush himself?

Every insult, every mean-spirited thing hurled at the left has to be hurled right at the person responsible for giving this dude a visa.

You all are being played.

I've often wonder if Kevin were as dumb as he let's on like this.

You people are laughable. If the left were as evil, as stupid, and as incompetent as you all espouse them to be, then how do you explain this country's rise since WWII when the Democrats controlled Congress for 40 years? Califorina is the most successful state in the Union by any monetary measure you wish to use, and the most liberal.

If the left were as you all described them, this country would be worse off then Mexico.

Fact is the liberals are smashing the conservatives when it comes to the free markets and competition. The Goolge guys are now in the Forbes list of wealthiest. Along with Larry Ellison and Bill Gates. You think any of these capitalists are conservative? We are in the information age and all those Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are, taaa daaa, liberal.

Sad little people in there sad little world. I guess if you are going to have delusions you might as well delude yourself that all this country's successes are conservative ones and that this country would be even more successful if not for the drag of liberals.

Such simple minds.

Wealth comes from the PEOPLE
The GOVERNMENT does not create wealth. As a matter of fact, the Government does its best to take the wealth from those who create it.

The Citizens/PEOPLE of this country are what make America Great! NOT the stupid Government that is working day and night to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

The most disturbing ..
matter is that this guy knew he would be permitted to visit the 9-11 site from the git-go with the approval of the Washington Crowd.
Even more distressing is the fact that the Secret Service will so obediently follow orders.
Elian Gonzales, Ruby Ridge, Waco?
First duty of a knight is God, Country and Constitution. Obedience to political hacks is the betryal of truth.

Ahmadinejad is a good reason
to send the UN to the Hague or Switzerland or over a cliff or anywhere else.

Why the US puts up with such nonsense is impossible to understand.

Would we have counseled Hitler's visiting in the 1930s?

The UN has given a spotlight to Castro and Arafat and the rest of the world's murderers and reprobates. It is suicidal for us to open ourselves to the depredations of these vile "leaders," and I hope the demonstrations are off the charts.

liberal_dialog
amen

Hey rocker...
Re: "this country is headed in the direction of former Russia with these right wing extremes trying to stiffle any speech they think in not in line with thier war lusting ideology."

Please cite examples.

Ooooo, it must make you tingle with excitement to pretend that Cheney's stormtroopers are about to trace your IP address and will be landing their black helicopters in your backyard any second now. Now, of course, that you have the courage to "speak truth to power" in this repressive climate.

Gee, Rocker, I'm with you! I'm sick of seeing people carted off to... to... who knows where as the Bush/Cheney thought police sweep through the country on a thought-suppressing rampage. Gee, you can't find a dissenting thought anywhere!

New York Times... CBS... MSNBC... oh yeah! They all toe the administration line under fear for their very lives!

First they came for the Jews, and because I wasn't Jewish, I said nothing. Then they came for the Catholics, and still I was silent. Then they came for the idiots -- and rocker, liberal dialogue, lilly, talisman and their little friends all disappeared...

troll or not
Personal savior gives a good example of the kind of eliminationist language that has made genuine discussion and honest disagreement between folks a near impossibility.

for stedes
stedes writes: "This war on Terror as waged by conservatives has been an all out attack on the first amendment."

If we conservatives (who had controlled all 3 branches of government till 2007) wanted to stage an "all out attack on the first amendment," you wouldn't be posting here. In fact, you would have long since disappeared from society without a trace.

You lefties haven't a clue what life in a REAL fascist society is like. Your continued EXISTENCE is a testament to the resilience of our Constitution--and to the basic decency and tolerance of your political opponents.

Be glad.
Things could be worse.


My personal Saviour
is Jesus Christ as He is with a number of TH posters, don't blaspheme MY LORD! It's amazing the vitriolic poison that spews from the ignorant Move's and Ko's crowd.
AudiR..we will agree with you in prayer that God will open the eyes of our people to the real danger Americans face, from within and without.
THe leftie posters are so adamant in defending their indefensible positions. One of the above
state that it was thanks to 40 years of DemonRat
rule that made us a great nation. NOT !!! We were a great nation because we had a rule of law, we had mostly honorable people running for office; we controlled our borders and our immigration; and above all we publicly honored
God and not just any god, but GOD ALMIGHTY who led and inspired the Founders to create the greatest document aside from the Bible that man has ever known. DemonRats on the other hand,
forgot their conservative roots, sold out to the
useful idiots who were going to change the culture..they expelled God from school and then
society; and are working to purge Him for all aspects of life; introduced licentiousness in
culture in every area and called it liberty;
and to cover up their seedy lives, introduced
abortion on demand; introduced multiculturalism and political correctness calling it love and tolerance; excusing corruption when the end justifies the means; as well as lying cheating and stealing; destroyed the black family; pushed welfare for non producers; are attacking the JudeoChristian heritage, vilifying people of faith as evil (when they should look in their own Dorian Grey mirror); and caused the Asian bloodbath after cutting and running from Vietnam
and spitting on our troops in the process and agreeing with the new spittle being directed at our Commanding General, and by that on the troops and the families who sent them, in short
defecating on our flag, our country and our heroes. That's the legacy of the DemonRats..
and you can't deny it, you own it.

for Gunny
Gunny writes: "When that man steps on American soil he should be arrested."

I agree 100%.

As far as I'm concerned, the time for talking was over when Iran started intervening in Iraq to kill U.S. troops.

I wish lefties would understand that once an aggressor starts crossing borders, the time for negotiation is ended. Past that point, "negotiation" means surrender.

The time for "talking" with Ahmedinijad or "listening" to Ahmedinijad ended on the day that the first U.S. soldier was killed due to Iranian intervention. And that has already happened.

My personal Saviour
is Jesus Christ as He is with a number of TH posters, don't blaspheme MY LORD! It's amazing the vitriolic poison that spews from the ignorant Move's and Ko's crowd.
AudiR..we will agree with you in prayer that God will open the eyes of our people to the real danger Americans face, from within and without.
THe leftie posters are so adamant in defending their indefensible positions. One of the above
state that it was thanks to 40 years of DemonRat
rule that made us a great nation. NOT !!! We were a great nation because we had a rule of law, we had mostly honorable people running for office; we controlled our borders and our immigration; and above all we publicly honored
God and not just any god, but GOD ALMIGHTY who led and inspired the Founders to create the greatest document aside from the Bible that man has ever known. DemonRats on the other hand,
forgot their conservative roots, sold out to the
useful idiots who were going to change the culture..they expelled God from school and then
society; and are working to purge Him for all aspects of life; introduced licentiousness in
culture in every area and called it liberty;
and to cover up their seedy lives, introduced
abortion on demand; introduced multiculturalism and political correctness calling it love and tolerance; excusing corruption when the end justifies the means; as well as lying cheating and stealing; destroyed the black family; pushed welfare for non producers; are attacking the JudeoChristian heritage, vilifying people of faith as evil (when they should look in their own Dorian Grey mirror); and caused the Asian bloodbath after cutting and running from Vietnam
and spitting on our troops in the process and agreeing with the new spittle being directed at our Commanding General, and by that on the troops and the families who sent them, in short
defecating on our flag, our country and our heroes. That's the legacy of the DemonRats..
and you can't deny it, you own it.

The Enemy Within
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." -- Marcus Tullius Cicero (born January 3, 106 BC and murdered December 7, 43 BC)

for servetus
servetus asks: "My question is what does the right propose to do to those Americans who are such an existential threat to this nation? "

My advice:
Don't ask the question if you can't live with the answer.

Think about that.

SteveL
Thanks for trying to get this thread back on track. DITTO to your post (And Gunny's).

bandicoot writes, 1:33PM:
"First they came for the Jews, and because I wasn't Jewish, I said nothing. Then they came for the Catholics, and still I was silent. Then they came for the idiots -- and rocker, liberal dialogue, lilly, talisman and their little friends all disappeared."

...and then we conservatives laughed our asses off.

To P.S.
Congratulations, you made my point, and gave everyone an insight on your deep intellectual level. Enuf said, you aren't worth replying to.

A personal statement to the lefties
For servetus, stedes, and others on the left side of the political aisle:

You're always saying you should try to "understand" others' motivations and the "root causes" of their behavior. So as a conservative (on most things), let me tell you my motivations and my root causes:

I wasn't born yesterday. I watched the antics of you lefties (more accurately, your lefty parents) back in the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s, and so on. I watched you very carefully.

For over 40 years we conservatives wandered in the political wilderness while you dominant lefties turned America into a pesthole of crime and welfare dependency and cynicism, and dangerously weakened America in her dealings with adversaries abroad. In all that time you've expressed no regret for the damage you did to America--in fact, you distrust America so much that you're proud of it.

There's an old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." If you lefties think that you're going to make the 21st century as much of a horror show as you made the 20th century, you can forget it. We won't stand for it and we won't have it.

servetus
While I think you and I have the right to disagree, OUR CONSTITIOUN gives no foreign terrorist the right to come here and rub it in our face PERIOD. He's lucky I can not be at ground zero if he were to show up. I would ripp em off him and send them to OUR boys in Iraq to hang on the rearview mirror on a humvee! He sure has lent enough support to and sent enough krack head's there it would be a (small) repayment. Heck while were at it, let's send them the other set from the dude at Columbia University, since their such great pals!
This is the problem with the Useless Nations. Think about how much money that would save us each year if we were not supporting them!

SteveL

I'm glad you have such forbearance though of course anti-war groups and critics of this government have been spied on, etc. It has a long history actually.

As a side note, I'm not sure how the prince of peace, who born to a woman who had to flee across the border to escape persecution would stack up to tea party's sense of things.

SteveL
PREACH ON BRO' WE ARE WITH YOU!

SteveL
servetus asks: "My question is what does the right propose to do to those Americans who are such an existential threat to this nation? "

My advice:
Don't ask the question if you can't live with the answer.

Think about that.

That's my point of my original post. I really am interested in the answer.

servetus writes:
"My question is what does the right propose to do to those Americans who are such an existential threat to this nation?"

May I suggest target practice.

I say servetus
That we outvote them and put persons into power that will DEFEND America!

HUNTER 2008!

your personal savior
sounds like you need a personal savior

It excapes me
Why this country would allow this Terrorist Supporting enemy of the USA to even enter, is amazing. The leadership of the USA certainly suffer from the ostrich syndrome. For all our socialist citizens what will be your choice "convert to the muslin religion or beheading" when the time comes?

And your oint is
Servetus?

Amen
Doc.
Steve: I grew up through the 50's like you and you are so right. The problem with the left is they are all about themselves, and are cowards,
I've long believed they protested the war, not
because of their support for our military, but
because they were terrified they'd be drafted and have to fight for something worth fighting for. So narrow is their worldview they didn't have a clue that Vietnam was essentially a war
between US and the USSR/CHINA, fought by surrogates. Gen. Giap said he was grateful for the so called students (useful idiots)so what does that tell you? And now they are at it again.
Personally, I don't want to "discuss" anything
with people who want me and mine dead.Lefties will still be talking "peace" when their heads are dropping to the floor and then again maybe not.
I'd bet they'd be the 21st Century versions of
Quislings.

Your Personal Saviour writes:
motley "no practice. i'll shoot you straight through the head."
___________________________________________________

From behind no doubt.

Tea Party
"May I suggest target practice."

My point is that the right's language against liberals has gotten to the point that it's a call to violence against liberals.

Tea Party
Do not respond to the likes YPS. These MoveOn.org plants are just that.

And the blaspheme is just starting, btw.

Remember, as much as MoveOn hates America it is nothing compared to their hatred of Christians. You can expect an all out attack on Christians again this Christmas season. The fact that America is STILL a Christian nation makes George Soros so mad he could cry. He, Lee Bollinger, and YPS along with their best friends, al Qaeda, are one thing and one thing only-Enemies of the United States of America.

Note to MoveOn.org: Running another ad soon? The NYT will be glad to help out again. That was a real dandy you came up with last time! No question about who's side you on. Is there?

servetus
Get it right
liberal = socialist, at least have the basic honesty to to state what you are. Socialist have never had the fortitude to accept this fact, if for no other reason than if the vast majority of Americans recognized this, you would disappear as a political group.

yps
Your still off base
The USA is a Republic first & foremost. This Republic has adopted Capitalism instead of the feudalistic collectivism of Socialism.

Methinks I smell a rat!
Could it be that YPS is the reincarnation of Knight of Bawaa. Sounds like the same kind of "e-harmony reject" blather.

yps
Nice try to change the subject; but alas the shifting sands of truth from a socialist/liberal defeats the possibility of rational discourse.

MotleyCrue
I think you have it right!

For anyone who wants to email
someone at Columbia University to complain about the horrible atrocity of giving this known and self-proclaimed terrorist a public platform, there are a number of emails available. They are all, however, within the development department. While those are not actually the best targets in terms of the content we might want to send, they ARE the targets that Columbia has chosen to make available on its Web site.

http://giving.columbia.edu/contacts.html

This discussion should not be about Servitus or Lilly or the dozen or so liberal fruitcakes who inhabit this site and post their babyish pablum. This discussion should continually refocus itself on the utter insanity of allowing this evil terrorist to set foot on American soil. This country is sorely in need of some backbone.

off to my grand daughters ball game
Be back soon.

I don't disagree
I don't disagree with the remarks about Amadinajad.

I simply note that Nouri Al Maliki, who is Prime Minister of Iraq as the result of spilled American blood, was leader of al-Dawa's jihad office in Syria. And that al_Dawa bombed the U.S. embassy in Kuwait. And further that he has close alliances with both Syria and Iran.

Yet he speaks at a joint session of Congress.

Personally, I don't trust either one of them.

Ahmadinajad and ground zero
for ahmadinajad to place a wreath or otherwise visit ground zero is like letting Adolph Hitler pay his respects to the dead at Dachau.

responses
Bart
My question to you is: how do you define socialism? Then I can answer your question.

TeaCup
You know there are liberal Christians out there. And moderates too. Democrats and Republicans and Independents and Libertarians and Green Party folks who identify as Christian, go to church, believe in God. I'm one of them.

let the kid blather
Re: 'your personal savior.'

Just let him post his juvenile rants. Pretty soon, he'll get tired of trying to get the grown-ups' attention, and wander off to pull the wings off a butterfly or something.

I bet if his mommy knew he was playing with her computer, she'd be pretty mad! And, of course, he must be quite young or, unfortunately... uh... "challenged." Otherwise he couldn't possibly be so completely ignorant, emotionally immature and, well, stupid.

your personal savior writes:
servetus
give it back to them. these are the pusses (i am omiting a letter there) who say the iraq war is just but they still won't fight it. they will type us to death. modern day conservatives are nothing more than panty wastes. nothing to be frightened by at all.

You are so full of BS it smells in here! I almost bet most of the people you are speaking of in here are like my self. I am a veteran of the US and I volunteered to go. Back when I was a young man, you hardly ever heard of hippies and it was a GOOD thing to go serve your country at least until you got home and seen them for your self. All those retards at the airport in San Fran cussing and splitting and slobbering. I for one wish I could have been closer to them. Only two kinds of people were there as far as I am concerned, communist AND OR cowards. Ain't nothing changed except the fact if you tried that in any airport today, some john q. public would prolly knock someone's teeth out, I know I would be happy to! And they want to call Right thinking people cowards? That is just RETARDED. Remember we are the warmongers?

your personal savior
I can define socialism = commie = you!

Ahmadi-Nejad
Most American commentators are not quite thorough enough to bother finding out how to correctly pronounce Ahmadi-Nejad's name. Hint: if you look at foreign news services, you will see it spelled as I spell it here: with a hyphen. One wonders why one should believe people who speak at length about a person, when they don't even bother to spend a minute or two "investigating" how to correctly pronounce his name. Heck, they could just ask any Iranian, but that's too much work for today's press.

Of course, this article is full of the usual distortions. Iran, first of all (like Iraq) had nothing whatever to do with 9-11. Second, Iranians gathered together in torchlight parades shortly after 9-11 to express SUPPORT and SYMPATHY with Americans. Third, there is no definitive proof the Iranian government is building weapons and exporting them to Iraq. Fourth, Iran is not a "state sponsor of terrorism," unless you mean support for Hezbollah in Lebanon, which is a legally-registered political party. Fifth, Iran has invaded no one, and threatens to invade no one (unlike the USA).

By the way, I am not a "liberal." I believe in limited, Constitutional government. I agree with James Madison, who identified war as the quickest path to tyranny, and with George Washington, who called for trade and friendly relations with all nations, entangling alliances with none.

your personal savior
Jeez louise... isn't it your bedtime yet?

The usual rhetoric
Quote from the article: "...many liberals embrace it, and normal people reject it ..."

So now if you disagree with Mr. McCullough on an issue you're not "normal"? Good friggin grief.

And of course Ahmadinejad should not be allowed to go to Ground Zero. It is ridiculous that it is even being considered by any government entity.

Touj: who cares?
Your comment "It proves again that conservatives have a hard time distinguishing between things that are real and the symbols that stand for those things." Doesn't prove what you think it does.

What it does prove is that you -- and the liberals you march with -- do not understand that those symbols MEAN something. That's why they're symbols.

When Ahmadinajad is in this country it is, ostensibly, for one reason and one reason only: His presence at the UN. That's why the United States is required to let him in. Our restriction of his activities is a symbol -- a message, if you will, that a person considered to be an enemy of the United States... the head of a terrorist state... is not welcome here. What is it you do not understand about that?

And will his visit here personally affect the life of one person here? No. But this is not about us as individuals. It's about us as a country. And most of us would like to pass the message to Ahmadinajad that he is not welcome here.

So I would suggest that you, Touj, take some of your own advice: read a book. Take a deep breath. Think a little bit. Then go away.

your personal savior
Like I said you’re full of it! EVEN NOW they make you retire past a certain age and last I heard it was 40 something age limit to enlist, sorry I am well past that. I have said it before, it's the cowards who set around and cry you’re a right thinking person so you never served. So i will make the same offer I have before, ANYONE who wants to come over and see my DD 214 or my Honorable Discharge I will be happy to show them to you!

I'm a conservative Republican but...
I think we ought to allow him to lay the wreath and talk at Columbia. I assume that Iran is behind much of the insurgency in Iraq but when we were behing the insurgency in Afghanistan against USSR we were still able to engage in diplomacy with USSR. I'm not saying the sitaution is quite equal I'm just saying that more communication and interaction is best in this situation.

Touj
Terry Schiavo was practically murdered before our eyes. That's the difference between conservatives and the Left, the Left does not care about defending innocent human life, they just don't to be inconvienced by the weak and defensless.

touj: you still don't get it
Re: "There are so many really important issues to deal with in this country, why are you all sitting at home ranting about this one? Is it that you think that if A. is prevented fom going where he wants to go that our schools will get better, our illegal immigration problems will be solved, we will avoid a possible and increasingly predicted recession?"

This is not an either/or thing. Of course, we all realize that there are priorities in issues. You seem to think that because this discussion is taking place, everyone on this thread is incapable of multi-tasking.

Your statement is like saying "There are so many important issues to deal with, why are you watching TV?" One has nothing to do with the other.

But what you do not seem to grasp is that this IS important, symbolically and in reality. Because you do not think it is does not make it so. And to say that Ahmadinajad "isn't even that powerful," that indicates an almost willful ignorance of the realities of this world.

Finally, yes, I'm plenty old enough to remember the "cranky old man." And this, pal, ain't it.

For Doc and bandicoot
"Touj" and "your personal idiot" have no sense of history, no respect for those who went before them, and the intelligence of a sponge.(I am sorry, I can't call that idiot anything close to being similar to the name of a real man like Jesus.)

Normally I ignore posters like them. You will not change their minds. The only way you could have any effect on them would be to give them a gun and place them in the woods with some one like yourselves. Kill or be killed.

They would either be p**ing in their pants, have fainted dead away, or hiding behind a tree trying to figure out some way out of this mess.

Don't raise your blood pressure. They are not worth it.

Gray Ghost
You're right... the intellect is lacking, and there's really no point in trying to explain if they refuse to understand.

Paolo writes, 5:06PM:
"Of course this article is full of distortions. Iran, first of all (like Iraq) had nothing whatever to do with 9-11. Second, Iranians gathered together in torchlight parades shortly after 9-11 to express SUPPORT and SYMPATHY with Americans. Third, there is no definitive proof the Iranian government is building weapons and exporting them to Iraq. Fourth, Iran is not a "state sponsor of terrorism," unless you mean support for Hezbollah in Lebanon, which is a legally-registered political party. Fifth, Iran has invaded no one, and threatens to invade no one (unlike the USA)."

It's so wonderful to have someone, such as yourself, shine the light of truth on our meager understanding of worldly issues. Where you get your unlimited knowledge is beyond me, but I for one am in awe, I tell you, absolute awe. Paolo. You are a god, the absolute god of truth, wisdom and the Iranian way of life.


eighties?
Boy you would think the war mongers would be all over that PR.Think of the mileage they could get out of that. Funny i never heard of it, I would love to shake his hand!
You don’t know me and that is just the libs way of dealing with veterans these days. Try to make em look like the slackers that wear the che shirts. And ain't much you can say that don't roll off my shoulders. Offer still stands

Motley, I'm conservative but...
I think we out to allow Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to come, lay his wreath at ground zero and talk at Columbia. We are not at war and communication can lead to improvements in our relations.

Yes
I know Gray Ghost. I was at the GOE meeting in March in DC. and I tried to bump every che shirt I saw to no avail. I love how they crossed the street to get past rolling thunder people. LOL

And to the rest of you libs.
When e-harmony rejected you, what was the reason? Was it (a) too unattractive? (b) too foul-smelling and unattractive? (c) too illiterate, foul-smelling and unattractive? (d) all of the above?


Doc 6:07pm
You be careful bumping those "che" shirts. I did that once in Memphis. I never saw so much screaming in my life. You would have thought I had kicked this idiot in the b*lls.

All I had on was a Miss. State Univ. sweat shirt, with an American Flag pin. He screamed "redneck" and other things at me. I actually thought this bozo was going to pass out.

By the way Doc, thanks for going to DC in March. I have my own consulting engineering firm in Miss. and it's hard to shut down. However, in 5 years my wife of 35 years will retire. At that time she and I will hit the road and go to events like that.

I am honored you, and others like you, are holding "the line" until reinforcements can get there.

offer still stands
its the offer to see my papers

Gray
I have made one out of two so far (surgery on my back)I will be at the next one if I have to crawl there. Luckily for me I have a sister that lives less than an hour away in Virginia and I stay with her

Servetus
I did NOT advocate violence towards libs, never have however I will advocate standing up to them which is something those of that ilk just can't seem to take.
I remember the 60's very well, when our guys came home to hippie, useful idiot spittle and called names such as "baby killer" which is rather ironic since the liberals who started the holocaust of abortion (one a NARAL lie) have the blood of millions of preborn babies on their hands. Don't tell me these are Christian, because the Lord is very specific about people who harm HIS little ones. Don't believe me, then get fitted for a millstone.
They may have a form of religion but that doesn't a Christian make, it's a personal dying to self which is foreign to the liberal mindset.

Liberius writes, 6:04PM;
"Motley, I'm conservative but...I think we out to allow Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to come, lay his wreath at ground zero and talk at Columbia. We are not at war and communication can lead to improvements in our relations."
__________________________________________________
I cannot put too fine a point on this. The wreath-laying ceremony Ahmadinejad is planning, will not be to honor ALL the dead of 9/11, and certainly not the Jews who died. It will be to honor Mohammed Atta and his bunch. That's what it's all about. Ahmadinejad has previously praised Atta and the other terrorists. Why would he turn around now and honor the Americans they killed? It would make no sense. Remember, he will be speaking in Arabic.

your personal idiot: And with a little

luck, you'll be thrown off again... and soon!

What a reprobate!



your personal savior
If you want to shoot all republicans(American Patriots), then you just start with me you lilly liverd chicken dump>
And that goes for the rest of your anti Ammerican "friends".

Tea Party

Some of your fellow conservatives seem to hint at violence, including the joke about using us liberals as target practice. SteveL has dark fantasies of what he'd do to us but hinted that I couldn't handle what he'd have in store for us. After we've been dehumanized as terrorists, as the minions of evil, there isn't much holding folks back.

In fact shooting a health care provider probably makes sense to those who think them on par with Nazis. We had a clinic that just had birth control, no abortion services and it bombed a number of years ago in our state.

The moment it's impossible to imagine that the other side are human, who just honestly disagree about this or that policy, the moment that democratic discourse in this country dies.

I don't support abortion no more than you do. I've got some ideas on how to reduce it that are different than yours. I could care less if you think my disagreement about what public policy works best makes me not a Christian (though you'll probably have excommunicated much of the church). But it's the violent rhetoric that I'm worried about.

Anne.
Hope that "Airborne" helps. I just checked in before my daughter and I go out for Italian. The grandkids have left and it's only 4:30PM in my neck of the woods.

I can't believe how many of these posters think that Ahmadinejad should be allowed to lay a wreath and speak at Ground Zero. It's mind-boggling. The man is, and always has been, a terrorist sympathizer, if not a downright terrorist supporter.

The President of Columbia College should be drawn and quartered.

pandm: That "your personal idiot" is

nothing more than a depraved, licentious, miscreant, along with a few others who infest our site.

With a little luck, he'll be tossed and we won't have to worry about 'it' anymore.

It's difficult to tell if people like this are deranged or mentally deficient.



Motley; I hope it helps too. I started

out with a scratchy throat Thurs. afternoon, and it's been down hill since then.

I worked from home on Fri., and I'm thinking I'll be working from home tomorrow as well.

My ribs feel bruised every time I cough now, which is often.

Thanks for the 'heads-up' on the Airborn.

Liberius
It is interesting that this thread pressed on about whether A should be allowed to lay his wreath at Ground Zero or speak at Columbia while at the very same time A was appearing on 60 Minutes. It was interesting to watch him. I absolutely do not think we should silence voices in a free country---but he was kind of horrible. Seen close-up, he reminded me of a rat, with hard glittering eyes and no warmth. He didn't answer questions straight but danced around them. He grinned and laughed through the entire interview as if to ridicule all the questions and the interviewer (the way Fred Barnes does on "Beltway Boys" when any Democratic issue is mentioned).

BTW to whoever out there said A would be speaking Arabic if he laid a wreath, actually he might be speaking Farsi, which is his language; Iranians speak Farsi, not Arabic. Whether A is bilingual (Farsi-Arabic) I do not know.

Know thine enemy. Hard to do that if you don't listen to him. You know, we use old reels of Adolf Hitler in our public speaking classes to show the power of a speaker to mesmerize his audience and whip them to hysteria. That doesn't make us followers of Hitler. Today I made lasagna for dinner. That didn't turn me into an Italian.

Liberals ARE unpatiotic
The left in America is why the terrorists think they will defeat us.

I've said it for years, "Liberals are going to get us all killed." Kevin McCullogh

Yes, I've been saying the same thing for the same amount of time. And I fear that time will prove Kevin and me right.

Liberals have a thing for 3rd world tyrants with an itch to destroy America. And then they bleat when they are called unpatriotic. This from the same goons who consider patriotism to be oh-so-gauche and jingoistic.

Liberals are such frauds! And I'm putting it mildly.

servetus
Actually, I'm the one who suggested using traitors for target practice, and it has nothing to do with honest disagreement. It has to do with activities that go beyond the pale, namely anti-American rhetoric which gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

Jane Fonda aimed a North Vietnamese howitzer at the enemy, namely the American lines. Jack Murtha calls our troops rapists and murderers. Kerry and others suggest the same. They deserve to be shot, and would be for sure if they were citizens of, say, Iran.

You can disagree all you want, but bad-mouthing the country that gives you your freedom is very bad form indeed.




Lilly
The man is not here to lay a memorial wreath to dead Americans, and certainly not Jews murdered by Arabs.
I don't really care if he speaks Farsi, Arabic, or dead sea jive. The man's a terrorist enabler who has previously praised the 9/11 hijackers. He's going to Ground Zero to lay a wreath for the people he admires, and it ain't us. He's thumbing his nose at us and taking pleasure from it. Don't you get that?

MotleyCrue
sorry to differ about Hanoi (i'm sorry till the next war)jane, but that was a 40 mm anti aircraft gun.

"I hope your cough gets worse."


What was it I posted above... depraved, licentious, miscreant?

Guess I forgot demented and psychotic.

Man, the liberals must LOVE him! He's everything the liberals look up to...






MotleyCrue
Oh they ALL get it and we know why they fight for him!

RWinger; Of course, liberals are

UNPATRIOTIC!

Never a question, really.

Not only are they "unpatriotic" as a rule, they're pretty stupid as well. Nothing good happening with them.



Doc. YPS.
Doc. I stand corrected. Forgive me.

YPS. You, sir, for what you said to Anne, are the leftovers from the drippings of coitus interruptus. Have the good grace to learn some manners before you spill your bile on this site.

MotleyCrue
I hope you don't expect YPS to wise up, i don't think his kind can lol

I must be off.
The car awaits, as does dinner. Bye all. Maybe later.

Motley: :-)


Problem is, yps wouldn't get it.

Somehow yps reminds me of some deviant who's done time in the big house for some creepy, unspeakable crime.

I'm signing off. Chat tomorrow.. :-)


meaningless
I concur with the posts of mrs. Paddy and MotleyCrue. Can't the neolibs see Ahmadinejad just wants a propaganda platform and is a clear and present danger to the world? Also, free speech is limited and totally meaningless if you don't have freedom. Without freedom, constitutions and amendments are null and void --try exercising 'your right to free speech' when you are shackled or dead.

Anne
"Depraved" was right on target. Yep. You got Your Personal Idiot (YPI) down cold.

I usually like to reply to folks directly, but for YPI I make the exception. Seems best just to talk about the guy like he's not even there.
Sort of like a non-entity. It works quite well, btw. The YPI types can take anything as long as they're acknowledged. Stop speaking directly to them, they slowly leave and MoveOn.

Yps I suppose the eighty year
old man was wearing body armour and toting a m-16 and if that wasnt the case and you were talking to that man you'd still claim he was a puss becouse he wasnt right up on the front line.

You specious heading for the brick wall of reallity little twit.

There isnt enough room in all the services for every person that supports the cause as with your head your analysis of the homefront chickenhawk is an empty cliche.

Ahmadenijad's "Visit"
I want to know why the FBI or Interpol or some enforcement agency isn't going to arrest him on US soil for his known and documented part in the assault on the US embassy in Tehran in 1979?

He has broke international laws and deserves to be arrested, tried and locked up for life. Unfortunately the international community doesn't go for the death penalty, so that's the best we could get, but he'd be out of circulation. How good would THAT be?!


So who are Ahmadinejad's supporters?
What I want some conservatives to do is to identify liberals who actually SUPPORT Ahmadinejad and approve of the insult he proposes to give this country at Ground Zero. I don't think conservatives can really come up with many, if any, examples of liberals who say, "Yes, I support Ahmadinejad and agree with his policies and actions." THAT would be a supporter. So, again, who's on that list, what did they say, and when?

What I think you guys are really doing is taking for granted that if someone isn't willing to go to war with Iran day before yesterday, he or she is a supporer of Iran. Now that's good conservative logic, maybe, but it has little to do with fact. By that standard, Pat Buchanan is Ahmadinejad's biggest supporter. Is that what you want to conclude?

So, other than blowing hot air, what are you guys upset about?

servetus - yps
read my post of 4:03, if you are to ignorant to understand the distinction you are beyond help. Once again you both have made very feeble attempts to change the subject matter. Oh! I forgot that's the socialist/ liberal way; insult, disparage, & otherwise avoid any actual meaningful dialog with any one of a different thought.

You're Not An American Patriot
With the appearance of "A-mad-jihad" at Columbia, I wish to remind people who want to invoke our Free Speech here in the United States:

1) We offer Free Speech to OUR Citizens

2) You are NOT an American Patriot if you endorse the Free Speech of a dictator who violates all the precepts of our Independence and Constitution.

Am I questioning your Patriotism?

NO! I'm telling you outright, YOU'RE NOT AN AMERICAN PATRIOT!

No If's

And's

of But's!

You are NOT an American Patriot!
With the appearance of "A-mad-jihad" at Columbia, I wish to remind people who want to invoke our Free Speech here in the United States:

1) We offer Free Speech to OUR Citizens

2) You are NOT an American Patriot if you endorse the Free Speech of a dictator who violates all the precepts of our Independence and Constitution.

Am I questioning your Patriotism?

NO! I'm telling you outright, YOU'RE NOT AN AMERICAN PATRIOT!

ypi
other than the time correction you haven't. read all my post directed your way & figure it out if you can. last comments sent your way, I have more interesting things to do than continue this ridiculous thread with you.

your personal savior = the ignorant
We're not talking about the U.N. you idiot, we're talking about Columbia.

If you were more fully evolved you would have read my post and understood what it really meant.

Clearly my post is directed at the un-evolved/underdeveloped types - like yourself.

(btw - "your" - refers to belonging; "you're" - refers to "you are" - you've made my point about the uneducated and unintelligent)

LET HIM GO
Just make sure his contingent of guards consists of armed New York Firemen and New York Police -- and nobody else.

Actually, he may just change his mind under the circumstances. You know how impulsive some Americans are.

for Paolo
Paolo writes: "Iranians gathered together in torchlight parades shortly after 9-11 to express SUPPORT and SYMPATHY with Americans."

As you left-wingers are so fond of saying about America,

we conservatives are not against the Iranian people. It's just their despicable, fascist, militarist, warlike, anti-Semitic GOVERNMENT we despise.

Sauce for the goose....

Backward
Fellow posters, I believe we have it backward about punky provocateur YPS. If you reverse YPS, it reads SPY. Now, don't forget what happens to spies caught behind enemy lines, YPS/SPY.



for skinnywhiteboy
skinnywhiteboy writes: "Aren't all you idiots playing into his hands by showing up to protest?....Let it not be said that Ahmadinajad BRAVED a hostile crowd in NY and won. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WILL BE SAID."

What is the alternative? That Ahmedinijad came to New York and intimidated New Yorkers into hiding in their homes because they were intimidated by his presence? Because that will be the headline in the Muslim press.

Don't you get it? Ahmedinijad scores a major propaganda victory the moment he sets foot at Ground Zero. Regardless of the reaction from Americans. The Muslim propaganda artists can spin the American reaction to their advantage either way: If Americans protest, they can say it proves Americans hate Iran. If Americans don't protest, they can say that Americans are afraid of Iran.

AudiR10
You are actually going to pray a rosary asking God to strike somebody dead?

for Arby
Arby writes: "This country is sorely in need of some backbone."

What this country really needs, is for our leaders to remind Americans of what a wonderful track record America has had in the world overall.

Due to ignorance, poor education, leftist attacks, etc., Americans have come to take their history quite cynically. Rarely are they reminded that America has helped liberate over ONE BILLION people from Japanese militarism, Nazi fascism, and Soviet communism. Rarely is America given any credit for the unprecedented scientific and technological revolution of the last 100 years.

If you or your friends are fans of science-fiction, you might recommend to them such classic "alternate history" novels as "Bring the Jubilee" and "The Man in the High Castle." Both try to depict an alternate universe--what the modern world would have been like without America.

In "Bring the Jubilee," the North loses the Civil War, and America is split up and hopelessly bankrupted. In "The Man in the High Castle," the Nazis defeat America and win World War II.

Even the most doctrinaire leftist can't read those novels and conclude that the world would have been better off that way.

Hey Everybody.....
I just figured out who "your personal idiot" is! Take a look at his 8:21pm post. In it he says to MotleyCrue "you pus".

I am not an expert, but the only Liberal I ever saw do this at TH was "true captain america".

responses
"They deserve to be shot, and would be for sure if they were citizens of, say, Iran."

That was another point of mine. The right's rhetoric against liberals follows the logic of violent response. In that, the Iranian's government's response to it's own dissidents is much the same as you point out.

Bart
All I asked for was a definition of socialism. Saying that it's liberalism is not an answer. It only begs the question: how would you define liberalism. Anything you don't like? Or is there more of a definition you have in mind.

Yps my point
is your arguements are with out thought. And they lack credibility.

To rocker, et al
Yes, the rightwing assault against freedom of speech is so serious that you brave souls must be quaking in your houserobes, fearful the FBI will break down your door any moment and haul you away for the things you so courageously post. What courage! What fortitude!

Oh, yeah, people say anything they want about the government every day IN PUBLIC, and don't get hauled away.

Go to Iran, though sluggard, and see what restrictions on freedom of speech REALLY look like:

http://www.columbialawtech.org/blog/posts/150

http://futurelawyer.typepad.com/futurelawyer/2006/08/iranian_censors.html

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/09/17/no-google-in-iran/

http://www.therunwayscoop.com/2006/10/fashion_censorship_in_iran.html

Get out of your comfortable, safe little middle-class home where you benefit from all the things about America you claim to despise, and GO LOOK at how things really are overseas.

You won't do that, of course.

SSG Anderson


More stories you should read about Iran
Yep, Iran is MUCH more acceptable on campus than ROTC.

But why? Does the army execute gay youths?

http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2005/07/2999.shtml

Does the army arrest labor leaders, womens' activists and student democracy groups?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070716/EDITORIAL/107160003

By claiming that a spokesman from Iran is acceptable, but ROTC is not, you all say some VERY revealing things about yourselves. The fact is that you don't *care* about gay rights, nor about freedom of speech/dissent. What you care about is despising those who protect you.


libphobic
Those from the satanic left (liberals - aka communists/nazis) are always attempting to upset those who accept our Constitutional Republic so as to drive voters from the booth and elect a satanic leader. While no one in this world is perfect, the leftists are committed to satanic ways (as they've proven in the comments they've entered).

Again, your stupidity never ends...
"as far as columbia is concerned they can have whoever they want to speak (and you never mentioned it)."

Apparently spelling isn't your only handicap, it looks like reading is, as well.

"With the appearance of "A-mad-jihad" at Columbia, I wish to remind people who want to invoke our Free Speech here in the United States..."

Looks like the word "Columbia" is right there in post.

And you miss the point of the post to begin with, which is why you're(that is - you are) part of the problem - as with all liberals(who are anything but!).

Lilly
GO SUCK AN EGG!!

Tallil2long: "To rocker, et al"

Of course, you're right on target, but do you actually think that (off his) rocker would dare as much as peek at your links?

No way! Truth to a liberal is like holding up a cross to a vampire!




scooternyc/And your ignorance never ends

Of course, Columbia (notice the upper case) can invite whomever they want to speak, but the real question is, "Is it the right thing to do?"

However, it appears that pres. Tom (as Glenn Beck calls him) will meet with some protesters (both Republicans and liberals) at the UN and Columbia, so it should be an entertaining, if not interesting, day. Don't you think?

And btw, obviously grammar isn't YOUR only handicap.



My dear lilly.....
You could not possibly be interested in facts and hold the opinions that you do.

What you have are opinions supportive of your world view and ideology, which are wholly uninstantiated by facts or which rely upon created "facts," the lack of which would leave you with nothing but chirping crickets.

I am right wing because I chose to examine the facts and arguments, long ago, truth as the objective. I found some problems with the right, everyone has their own difficulties. But in the left, I found not just simple difficulties but unending attempts to decieve and manipulate in order to acquire power at all costs.... Which they fully intended I should pay. Not being rich or unintelligent, I took offense and a right winger was created.

The left never lets facts interfere with their desires and objectives no matter what the ultimate costs are, especially when they can blame any failures, (there have been many) upon others.
Evil Christian right winger that I am, I would never do that. But the left thinks nothing of it.

The right tends to seek truth and the left has no choice but to evade it. By any means necessary, I believe I heard it stated.

Kevin McCullough
Kevin- Ahmadinejad is a bad person. But you and Ann Coulter don't seem any better.

Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and you want to wipe liberals off the face of the earth.

Hate speech is hate speech no matter who it is directed towards.

But as an American, and someone who you would define as Liberal, it is your speech which is more directly threatening, because it is your speech which endangers my life.

UBER GET REAL
Nothing that the author of this column has ever written ENDANGERS your life. Only your way of thinking...

Come ONNNNNNNN!

KMC
Kevin McCullough says, "I've said it for years, "Liberals are going to get us all killed."

And to the degree that the American left will adopt the lies of our enemies and repeat them as truth against we their fellow and concerned countrymen - I am forced to confirm those thoughts this day."

Coulter calls liberals "traitors."

Now what is the reasonable course of action to take against people who endanger your life? What is the action, Kevin, supports against Iran who he also says is a threat to Americans? What punishment have traitors historically received.

You can say all day long that Kevin is not threatening my life. But the implied meaning is not ambiguous. Kevin and those like him have been painting "liberals" as enemies of America.

Coulter in a speech I saw her give called for liberals to be denied basic human rights. No doubt it was a joke.... I was laughing just about as hard as I do to those great Jewish jokes Ahmadinejad tells. Some people just don't have a sense of hummer.

But that facts are clear... When you say "Liberals are going to get us all killed," there are implications for Liberals. Those implications endanger the lives of all those accused of Liberalism.

Monday Morning
OK, it is now afternoon. I don't see anything in the news. What happened????????

To Anne
"Not only are they "unpatriotic" as a rule, they're pretty stupid as well. Nothing good happening with them."

LOL. Don't hold back, Anne. Tell us how you feel.

I don't think even Islamofascists want America to lose the WoT as badly as liberals do. You see, for Muzzies, it's about destroying Big Bad Imperialistic America [sarcasm mode on] Not that Muzzie have any imperialistic designs on the world, you understand [sarcasm mode off]. For liberals, it's defeating Big Bad Imperialistic America AND destroying George W. Bush into the bargain.

No wonder liberals salivate at the thought of losing the WoT.

uber: When anyone says "Liberals are

going to get us all killed," it's not an implication, it's FACT!!!

How about the very first clue, which was when the libs were FAR more concerned about the airport secuity people being protected as government employees and having a union?

How many weeks after 9/11 was it that the libs were chanting, "What did Bush know, and when did he know it?"

And since then, the libs have done EVERYTHING they could possibly do to cripple the administration's attempts to protect us from future attacks.

"Those implications endanger the lives of all those accused of Liberalism." is big stretch, even for libs. But what the liberals have done to hamper the administration's attempts to protect us, has indeed, put us ALL at risk!

Thanks, ever so......



There is no Santa
Socialism always fails.

There is no such thing as international law.

And, non-Americans are not guaranteed freedom of speech by our constitution.

The right's thinking

The way the right's thought process works"

If you're a liberal you must embrace everything I hate.

Because one is not gung ho about engaging in a third war even though we haven't completed the war in Afghanistan or the civil war in Iraq, it's because liberals love the theocracy of Iran. They must love a state which executes gay people.

My question is this: do any of you have any liberal friends? At all? Have they ever professed admiration for theocratic governments in the middle east? Ever?

I don't mind disagreement politically (though not with folks who joke about killing me) but let it be over actual differences not ones made up to further one's hate of another group of folks.

Lets not
overlook the fact that leftists want to turn the memorial at Ground Zero into a monument detailing the negatives of America's history. They want to document the poor treatrment of the so called Native Americans, and the existence of slavery and Jim Crow laws. The idiots who want to defile the memorial to people who were murdered on 9/11 are no doubt products of the leftist indoctrination provided at Columbia and other universities.


As an American of African descent my response to leftists is that they are the scum of the earth. Columbia University turns out ignorant, brainwashed little leftist fanatics every year. This has been going on for over forty years.




I just heard Bollinger's speech that preceded Amadenajad's comments at Columbia. I consider it too little too late. Bollinger is a hypocrite, and is trying to head off the repercussions of inviting this Iranian monster to speak.


It should be noted that Amadenajad's reply to Bollinger drew loud applause from the nitwits in the student body there. No doubt they were there at the urging of their Marxist professors to support Amadenajad. What a waste of money and potential it is sending students to these universities.

Skip
kudos to you, man. And I agree with everything you said.

Skip
very well said, man. And I totally agree with you.

get a reality check ann
"FACT!!!

How about the very first clue, which was when the libs were FAR more concerned about the airport security people being protected as government employees and having a union?"

How about conservatives FAR more concerned about the airport security people being outsourced to unaccountable private contractors in order to bust a union?

FACT conservatives care more about ideology (big government for big business) than security.

"How many weeks after 9/11 was it that the libs were chanting, "What did Bush know, and when did he know it?""

How many years was it before conservatives were willing to question there own leaders.

FACT conservatives care more about winning ideological battles than they do about whether their leaders are serving the interests of the American People.

"And since then, the libs have done EVERYTHING they could possibly do to cripple the administration's attempts to protect us from future attacks."

Some proof.... Please...

""Those implications endanger the lives of all those accused of Liberalism." is big stretch, even for libs. But what the liberals have done to hamper the administration's attempts to protect us, has indeed, put us ALL at risk!"


reality check II
What "liberals" have done. Is hold the administration accountable. They asked some questions like, why are we friends with Pakistan, which is a Taliban and al qaeda safe house. One which has Atomic weapons and which actively has in the past and probably still is selling nuclear secrets to the rest of the world.

Plus the liberals have saved American lives by demanding solders coming back from the war in Iraq not be forgotten and get decent healthcare and psychological care. On top of this liberals have been the only ones demanding a balanced budget.

It is liberals who have demanded that we end our friendship with Saudi royal family whose members gives millions of dollars to terrorists who want to kill Americans.

Last week the Lundon Stock Exchange was sold to Arab investors. I guaranty you that it will be liberals which ask the questions about what that means for our institutions and our safety.

The Canadian Dollar is now on par with the US dollar. And the US Dollar is in free fall. The days of the US Dollar as a reserve currency of last resort are over, as a result of the policies of the Bush administration.

America just got flushed by a conservative administration who can't even challenge the actions of a Socialism in central American cause our armed forces are so over stretched and our finances are in such shambles to build it up again of strengthen it....

Don’t tell me about endangering America Ann.

The republicans have squander in six years two hundred years of administrations building America into a supper power.

If it wasn't for Liberals you would still be cheerleading the decline. Instead of regrouping to rediscover what it means to be conservative.

since we're talking about facts
Uber, do you actually have proof that your brayings about conservatives and Republicans are true?
And I mean FACTS, dear. Not your own hate-based opinions, or the garbage spewed by anti-America so-called "college professors."

Oh, and Uber? Spare us any reference to Kos, MoveOn, CNN, or any other liberal cesspool of Bush Derangement Syndrom, do us (and yourself) the last favor.

Try to avoid being a greater uber-fool than you alreay are.

Think you can manage that?

uber: Absolutely WRONG!

And, wrong on each and every point that you call a "fact" which is nothing more than liftist spin.

And, I've DONE my research, do your own !!



Touj, Republics Principles will...
...correct this situation of hatred you seem to imagine. Read Madisons 10th Federalist paper for a detailed analysis of why we are a Republic, and not the pure democracy of theoretic polititians. That hatred you see is the result of factions hating to lose the cash cow that supports them. The loadest voices you hear, screaming their discontent about this war, are those who see money going for the war, and not for special interest. Their secured powers in Washington have done well, in attaching earmarks for them, to the defense bills, but it is not enough. This hatred you see comes from those that have prospered according to liberal legislation, not by responsible legislation. The left has acted to divide the people, according to their passions. There is not hatred that comes from the right, it is discussed, and action to help those misguided by theoretic politicians. The Republic is still strong, and the republican principles, Jefferson spoke of, embodied in our Constitution will correct, and guide us.

Doc
Don't let yps bother you after all, it stands for young pip squeak!!!!

Touj
You better hope what you describe doesn't happen as some of the so-called leftist bull you spew wouldn't be accepted by the left either so you wouldn't be accepted ANYWHERE.

What, pray tell is Touj on?

Whatever it is, it can't be legal, and it certainly appears that he's overdosed.


Anne
At least he's good for stand-up or should I say sit-down comedy.

Anne, I think you may be right....
Touj has simply caused me to suspend disbelief that any Lefty could get any crazier, or higher, or more self-righteous than previously seen by this observer. Whatever, we are not amused!

Joe & Farmer's Wife: Amazing, isn't it?

Actually, Touj reminds me of the Comedy Central Roasts. No real humor, no intelligence; just foul language for shock value.

But I learned a long time ago, just when you think that the leftistas have hit rock bottom, and couldn't possibly get more low classed and base... sure enough! Fooled us again!




Amen Anne, Amen!
Why do they stay here?

Touj
Is the air a little thin in that spaceship you're in? Why wouldn't anybody with half a mind think you're on drugs when you talk about dividing the greatest nation in the world that many an honorable man has fought and died for? Of course you wouldn't know anything about that aspect of the freedoms you use so thoughtlessly would you? Or for that matter care.

Farmer's Wife: Excellent question!

Lots of theories... Who knows?

Sometimes I do wonder if they're really just trolls sent to TH by leftist sites... Koz and Huff, etc.

Other times I wonder if they're not just typical psychotic (and I DO mean psychotic, as in the DSM IV) who have nothing better to do but come to TH (and maybe other Conservative sites) to bash, etc.

But I do recall Bernie Goldberg saying, after his book, "The 100 Most Dangerous People In America" commenting on how despicable, vile, and depraved the voicemails and emails were that he received from those ont he left who disagreed with his assessment.

However, among the 100 most danger people, he did mention a few Conservatives. Yet, Goldberg commented on how each and every email and voicemail he received from Conservatives, was at least polite and to the point.

I think there is a lesson there... Don't you?





Touj
How come so many agree with me where you are conserned?

Farmer's Wife: Typical, they don't
GET IT!!! One does not always have to use vile, foul "language" to acutally BE vile and foul.

But, that's how limited people deal with such issues... Very simplistic!

I usually find it best to simply ignore them... all of them!






Joe: EXACTLY! :-)
.

Touj
Asfar as your attempted defame of Anne, I've heard more polite and caring posts from her than I've ever heard from you. You spout nothing but hate and ire for the very country that gives you the freedoms that are guaranteed to you. If this country is so messed up to you why do you stay? There are many, many other countries for you to immigrate to, but be careful, they mostly have manditory service requirements.

Night Anne and all
take care all. God Bless.

Joe: Good night. :-)
.

To Anne and Eastlake Joe...
Touj does not understand what has been sacrificed so that he has the freedom to speak and act like a complete fool! Only a mad dog bites the hand that feeds him????

1958 un american activities and today
COMMITTEE ON UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES , EIGHTY-FIFTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
MARCH 13, 1958
Printed for the use of the Committee on Un-American Activities
United States Government Printing Office
Washington 1958

This document is copied from the Congressional record. The introductory information about the Congressional Committee has been placed at the end of this page.
See also Brainwashing and "Education Reform"
Home
SYNOPSIS
Communist psychological warfare is now winning such extensive victories in the United States that the Red bloc will not need to employ direct military force against us in order to win the total war which they are waging, with this country the principal target. Edward Hunter, American expert on Communist brainwashing, warned in a consultation with the staff of the Committee on Un-American Activities.
Mr. Hunter, whose career as a foreign correspondent, author, editor, world traveler, and specialist in propaganda warfare, qualifies him as an authority on Communist propaganda techniques, stated:
“I spent 30 years, a little bit more perhaps, in countries under various forms of Communist pressure and attack. What I am witnessing in America is no different from what I saw in those other countries. I am often referred to as someone who has made phenomenal predictions that proved correct on things to come. Actually, I have never made a prediction as such in my life. I have only predicted in the manner that one predicts the total of 4 after seeing the figures 2 plus 2.

To uber
Someone may have already addressed this, but do you recognize the difference between Ahmadinejad and, say, Ms. Coulter?
Ahmadinejad apparently wants to rid the earth of Israel... by killing Israelis.
Ms. Coulter apparently wants to rid the earth of those she calls liberals... by persuading people that liberalism is a crock so that they abandon the notion voluntarily.

The notion of attempting to change people's minds through discussion is infinitely preferable to simply killing them, wouldn't you say? Can you recognize the distinction?

Personally, I find Ms. Coulter's manner of debate to be needlessly abrasive, even arrogant, and thus counterproductive. Her very real points could better be made in a more civil nature. Sure, I know some liberal/progressives are equally obnoxious, but SOMEONE has to be the adult.
As abrasive and provoking as Ms. Coulter's language may be, her approach (vis a vis Ahmadinejad's) STILL merits approval, even from her political opponents.

Touj
See, thats what you can't get through your thick head. I hate no one in the United States even you. I do, however, hate what some simpleminded people are trying to do to this Great country. I hate anything that would harm it. I very rabidly hate anyone that would attack it in any way. You however, seem to invite attack and hand out nothing but criticisim and hate for this country and I do hate that. No Touj, I don't hate you I feel sorry for you.

Touj
I hate to break it to you , but by the time you call someone a traitor, "persuading people that liberalism is a crock," and begun persuading others that liberals should be arrested and tried for treason the punishment for which is death.

This is exaggerated in that Coulters books and lectures are intended not to change the mind of liberals but rather to influence the opinions of conservatives.

Of course I may be wrong and she is simply one of the poorest advocates for challenging liberalism in our time. But I think more highly of there than that. I think she is an excellent advocate and knows exactly who her audience is.

Which is why I regard her activity as some of the most morally reprehensible I have ever read. Well maybe not, I was reading Sam Harris last night and his argument for the use of torture as justified by the use of bombs is far more morally reprehensible. For that matter his argument that there are ideas so bad that the proponents of them must be killed I think deserves special moral condemnation.

Touj
I take it from your last statement that if a Black man injures you then all blacks are bad? Bad way to live your life dude!

Touj
sorry I was in a hurry as well. That post was to Tallil2long

Touj
who says we're hanging together as a country any more? Thanks to the high priests of multiculturalism, we now have to "press 2 for Spanish" and print voting paperwork in several languages.

Spare me your self-righteous preaching, mate. You indulge liberals at the country's own peril.

What I've learned from TH readers
Now it's all clear to me. I've finally learned the lesson all you TH readers have been trying to get across. Here's how it looks, all pulled together:

Conservatives are in possession of the ultimate truth concerning politics, morality, culture, and the economy. Because they are all-knowing, they understand that their enemies, the liberals, are the principal obstacle standing in the path of the full realization of conservative truth in all areas of American society. Conservatives perceive that they are the only true patriots, and that all liberals, by definition, are supporters of all enemies of the United States. It is unnecessary for conservatives to prove this by means of any evidence; it follows from the truth possessed by conservatives.

Conservatives are within their moral rights if they decide to eliminate all liberals by whatever means necessary, because truth must be protected at all costs. The only limitations on conservatives in this matter are factual limitations, not limitations of principle. Accordingly, conservatives understand the need to prepare themselves spiritually and physically for the destruction they know must be accomplished.
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